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Eavesdropping Uber Driver Helps Rescue 16-Year-Old From Her Pimps (washingtonpost.com)
Slashdot reader sabri writes "In California, an Uber driver saved a 16 year old girl from human traffickers after he overheard them talk about delivering the girl to a customer." The Washington Post reports:
Uber driver Keith Avila picked up a passenger who looked like a 12-year-old girl in a short skirt Monday night. That was the first sign that something was off, he would say later. Two women got into his car with the girl outside a house in Sacramento. Halfway to their destination -- a Holiday Inn in Elk Grove, California -- they asked Avila to turn up the music, he said. Then the women turned to the girl. Avila listened in.
"They were describing what they were going to do when they get there: 'Check for guns. Get the money before you start touching up on the guy,'" Avila said on Facebook Live minutes after he dropped off the passengers, then called police to report the women whom he suspected of prostituting the child. The girl was 16, not 12, Elk Grove police told local news outlets. But Avila's suspicions were right, they said. The teen was being sold for sex at the Holiday Inn, and her eavesdropping Uber driver had saved her.
The teen girl was returned to her family, while the two women with her were charged with multiple felonies. The driver had only joined Uber a few weeks earlier, but his Facebook Live video from outside his fare's house has now been viewed more than 240,000 times.
"They were describing what they were going to do when they get there: 'Check for guns. Get the money before you start touching up on the guy,'" Avila said on Facebook Live minutes after he dropped off the passengers, then called police to report the women whom he suspected of prostituting the child. The girl was 16, not 12, Elk Grove police told local news outlets. But Avila's suspicions were right, they said. The teen was being sold for sex at the Holiday Inn, and her eavesdropping Uber driver had saved her.
The teen girl was returned to her family, while the two women with her were charged with multiple felonies. The driver had only joined Uber a few weeks earlier, but his Facebook Live video from outside his fare's house has now been viewed more than 240,000 times.
"Careless idiots overheard planning a criminal act. Person overhearing them called the police!"
If this is what counts as news today I guess we've got everything under control.
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It's "tech news" because it involves Uber. It's news because a person who is basically nobody special helped to rescue this girl from a horrifying situation.
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Prostitution is just Uber for sex.
You are welcome on my lawn.
they've been getting a lot of criticism about being used for criminal activities (natch, they're a perfect vector for it) so they needed something like this. It'll get a lot of air time in the press as a result.
I'm glad the girl got rescued, but whenever I hear these stories I always think, what now? It's not like the systemic problems that lead her down that path are just going to vanish...
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I think I prefer the Taxi Driver to the Uber driver.
Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets.
It is news when taxi drivers do this too. You think underage prostitution being caught wont make the news? Do you even think of the children bro?
He posted it on Facebook Live and *then* called the police. Thats the astounding part...
Really its just some good publicity before the inevitable "price gouging" stories hit the news like they do every drinking holiday -- like last night some folks got a ride to an event for ~$20 from Uber and the app quoted $100+ to get them home.
Cost them $54 (including tip) to get them home in an evil taxi btw.
I'm entirely happy he did the right thing,
I suppose it makes no difference since the girl was saved. Why turn it into a political commercial?
Certainly people who were not Trump supporters would have done the same thing.
Another consultant who stuck it out.
"We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx..."
No one says that Uber drivers are not hardworking and conscientious. The issue is with the Uber system that passes the cost of the business model onto the lowest paid person in the chain.
I'm not sure I'd call a 16 year old a "little girl". Young person, sure.
Just because Uber is involved this is "news"? And almost a week late at that? This is not "news for nerds", sorry.
I saw ads yesterday too of a Uber broker claiming you'll make $300 for 20 mins looking for Uber drivers. I expected the price gouging but not THAT bad when it costs you normally$30 to cross the city.
You are assuming that she is indeed "prostituting herself" rather than being sold . The story and outcome makes it sound like the second possibility is the reality here...
I'm astounded that you'd blame the victim here ("turn around and do the same thing next week.") She was apparently a vulnerable person who was actively exploited by these two women. She had been reported missing by her family. Whether she ran away or was kidnapped doesn't really change the fact she was exploited, which is wrong and illegal.
Posting to facebook live astounds me, but come on, the guy did the right thing. Most people would just walk away. Kudos to him for acting, regardless of which taxi company he was working for. Sure if it wasn't uber or didn't involve facebook life, it wouldn't be on slashdot. I agree with you that this story doesn't really belong on Slashdot.
Not making them any money but who needs that when everyone knows your name.
Exactly!
They are losing money, but they will make it up in volume.
Apparently, they have lost 1.27 billion in 6 months in 2016. That's impressive.
Must be a slow news day. I should probably submit this story I read about: A guy with an HDTV on a cart tries to make a run for the doors without paying when security forced him back into the store, where he was promptly arrested because of a "Shop With A Cop" promotion going on inside the store.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime--law/police-florida-man-tries-steal-from-store-shop-with-cop-day/wy2LvzXDoMg8a5cyFPGq6I/
Because a HDTV was involved and it happened in Florida, it's tech news.
Did the Uber driver also investigate what it was about this girl's life that led her to prostitute herself in the first place and remove those conditions so that she won't just turn around and do the same thing next week?
Yeah, the two pimps went to jail. The harder it becomes to sell your daughter into this kind of situation, the less likely it will be to happen.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
There's no expectation of privacy in a taxi.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
That's right, the US, Russia, and China are only going up, up, up. The sky is the limit. God is in his heaven. All is right with the world.
It's news because a person who is basically nobody special helped to rescue this girl from a horrifying situation.
Was it a horrifying situation for her? Or is it more horrifying now that her two friends are going to prison for a long time and she's been thrown into or back into the foster care system? It's bizarre enough that the age of consent in most states is years older than the majority of people become sexually active, but the laws surrounding these sorts of things are often so sick and twisted that they cause a situation that's worse than the person would have been in anyway. It's true that people don't always know what's best for themselves or know what they'll regret later, but a system where all agency is taken away from people and they're treated as unthinking, unreasoning objects is worse. What we need are proper social safety nets and a system that actually does rescue people from bad situations when they want to be rescued without eating them alive, which is frankly what the current system does.
Ah, but it was related to Uber. And for some unfathomable reason, people think that Uber is a tech company and thus worth reporting on.
No, that's how much an Uber recruiter makes.
No, he is a pervert. The societal norm in the United States is for adults not to engage in sexual relations with people under the age of 18.
Except in the states where the age of consent is under 18. Or they're within a close in age exception, etc. Basically what you're saying for some random example is that person X who is 19 and has sex with his long-time 16 year old girlfriend is a horrible pervert, but his neighbor down the road (and across a state line) who is 50 and has sex with lots of 16 year old girls is not a pervert? You have to see how idiotic that is.
Taxi drivers also do the reverse all the time.
I don't know about USA, granted, but here in my country, the best place to ask for prostitutes is a taxi driver.
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If you are seriously trying to justify the motives and actions of people who engage in human trafficking, there is clearly not enough of a common denominator between us in our values and standards to engage in any kind of useful discussion
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If she wants to earn a living selling her body then that's a decision she can make when she's legally old enough.
By then she'll also hopefully realise that she can control her own work and income, and only allow third parties to assist when she feels they're adding value.
What's so sick and twisted about the law? How is foster care so much worse than potentially coerced and illegal prostitution? What makes you think she's getting thrown into the foster system anyway, rather than returned to her family that reported her missing?
Is this what this site as come to? Someone is victim blaming (someone with "fluffer" in this nickname may I add), and gets modded up as a result?
What the fuck is wrong with this site?
It's very sad that people would rather just enjoy a story like this and go on with their lives rather than address what is really needed to help this girl. It is a very selfish world we live in.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
As I said before, I didn't blame the girl. I was pointing out the lack of understanding for her and the situation she lives in. None of this has helped her.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
Despite heroics I bet they still didn't tip the driver and probably only gave him a 2-star rating.
And he probably made $3.75 for it.
Do everything right AND save the kid and Uber will give you:
"Your Uber rating is slipping. Don't worry, your account is still active! But here are some tips from Uber Pros on how to improve your driving rating!"
Fuck you Uber. With sand for lube. Fuck you.
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Ah so he was hosing people with false figures
sell that girl's body to McDonald's for minimum wage where it generates the appropriate Wall Street and government tax!
Yes so let's not talk about the real situation. Sorry to rain on your parade. There is a thing called reality out there, but the fact that you are comparing this serious situation to football kind of tells me you won't understand it.
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You think underage prostitution being caught wont make the news? Do you even think of the children bro?
The child sex trafficking in Rotherham went on for at least six years, precisely because the authorities and news suppressed any mention of it. You see, the perpetrators were immigrants, and better to kill the story than be a racist (since anyone who calls immigrants rapists is just a racist). Yes, that really happened. Yes, 1400 children were abused. Yes, that was really the reason it went on so long.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Of course it doesn't matter, legally speaking. 16 is under the age of consent, and prostitution is illegal most places anyway.
Isn't 16 the most common age of consent in the world?
The article also quotes the guy referring to her client as a "pervert." While it is appropriate and correct that sexual engagement with a 16 year old child should be illegal, it is also biologically normal for men to be sexually attracted to girls at that age
She looked 12, though, per TFS, which is why the driver acted. That's a different story.
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It's bizarre enough that the age of consent in most states is years older than the majority of people become sexually active
Which is for a good reason. In my former home country, the age of consent used to be 12. Yes, I kid you not. Once a female human being turned 12 years old, she could legally be humped by a 70 year old grandpa. It was raised to 16 in the late 90s, with one exception: any form of paid services required both participants to be at least 18 years (prostitution is legal there).
And of course, which male would not want to hump that tight 16 year old's body? Who hasn't walked around in the summer, looking at a hot chick only to realize 3 seconds later that she's only 15? That's the problem: young girls are physically grown to completion, with a nice c-cup and bubble-butt, when they're mentally not ready to consent to a sexual relationship with an adult male. That's why you need a legal framework to protect them.
Also, don't forget that a lot of these laws were introduced at a time where contraception was not generally available, so the actual age of consent was derived from when a female was deemed fit to take care of a baby.
I'm not a complete idiot... Some parts are missing.
Taxi drivers also do the reverse all the time.
I don't know about USA, granted, but here in my country, the best place to ask for prostitutes is a taxi driver.
Do you speak from experience? ;-P
Anyway, let's not forget that prostitution is a crime between adults, whereas prostituting a minor is on a whole different level. I wouldn't necessarily applaud a taxi driver who thinks that one is okay and the other isn't, but there is a difference.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
Not only that, but if you watch his livestream of the event where the cops are still on the scene, he goes on a tirade about how Hillary voters would never have reported it to the police, but Trump supporters -- they don't mess around.
Instead of being a hero, he's shown himself to be just another deplorable.
Yup. I just watched the video. It happens about 1/3 of the way through.
Too bad. I thought he was a class act up to that point. Good for him for calling the cops, but it's uncool to use the situation as a platform to express political views.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
That's the job of the police. The driver did his part.
And yes, this is not groundbreaking, it is just a story the name "Uber" in it.
Yet another nail in the coffin for autonomous vehicles. Should we really keep going?
Autonomous vehicles can do it better, with hidden microphones throughout the cabin, plus one visible one with a little sign that says "All conversations are recorded." Since autonomous vehicles are already stuffed full of expensive sensors, adding a few more won't affect the price of the vehicle to any great extent. Taxis today are much much cheaper vehicles, so adding the microphones would be a big burden.
Uber is an innovation over "do X, but do it on the internet" as a business model. Instead, it's "do X on the internet as a way of avoiding all the regulation and taxes that limit the profitability of X". All the "ride sharing" and "room sharing" services are based on avoiding regulation and taxation... meaning they will only be profitable for the few years it takes for every jurisdiction to change the statutes to tax the heck out of "doing X on the internet" as well. Most of the AirBNB rooms in New York City are now illegal, so it is now necessary to check with the local jurisdiction before renting.
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
It was a movie reference... and a rather apropos one.
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When are they going to start advertising the biggest perk of being an Uber driver: all the passed-out drunk pussy you can rape!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Nobody is "being sold" for sex these days except in exceptionally rare circumstances. It does not work economically. The Mafia gave up forced-prostitution a long time ago for that reason. In the rare circumstances where it still happens, the first customer is usually the one to call the police. (Well, not in the US obviously, but in decent countries where prostitution is legal, that is how it goes.)
This thing basically shows the deranged fantasies of the "rescuers". More likely than not, this young lady was in it of her own free will. And guess what, 16 year olds can make decisions about their lives and are not in any form "children" (except in those deranged fantasies...).
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You might say there's some experience to it. I take cabs a lot (working late shift and whatnot) and many drivers ask me directly "how about a chick for tonight". I'm married, have kids and love my wife, so never took the "opportunity" - but I am aware that the phenomenon exists.
...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
Really you need a citation! This is well know fact and the wikipedia page is a good jumping off point if you are not aware of what was going on. Oh and for the record it was not confined to just this city, but also manu other British cities where men of mainly a Muslim background abused young girls of an almost exclusively white ethnic background.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
It just goes to underline the positive sides of non-white commercial drivers being treated like they are invisible.
12 used to be the age at which girls got married.
It was that way for a LOOONG time. Only very recently in human history has that changed.
Still illegal. Still wrong. Still biologically normal.
BS. Oh, sure, maybe a few aristocrats married off to cement alliances, but not the norm. Rates of death in childbirth would put an end to any group that did that regularly (and there would be no point at all in a girl getting married before she was fertile). Somewhere around 15-16 maximizes population growth rates for a tribe, and almost all recorded sexual morays from early times were all about maximizing population growth rates - because that's what the primitive environment selects for.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
In AC's defence, I'd never heard of that scandal either. Widely reported =/= reported internationally, especially as the root cause appears to be cultural issues specific to the UK.
Hey, that goes both ways.
It ALSO underlines that Uber drivers are nosy little people who can't leave well enough alone. ;-)
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Nobody is "being sold" for sex these days except in exceptionally rare circumstances. It does not work economically.
False. Want to tell us anything else trivially proven untrue? This is fun!
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
You need to cite stuff like this. Not everyone is from England. Someone from half-around the world is unlikely to even know where Rotherham even is, and if they do, they may think you are talking about the nearest Rotherham. There is more than one possibility:
- Rotherham in England (correct)
- Rotherham in New Zealand (nearest to me)
- a misspelling of Rotterdam, Netherlends (my first guess)
This sounds like a major local story, but it wasn't a big international story. Britain has had a number of sex-abuse scandals in recent years. However, you can't expect every slashdot reader to remember all of them. In fact, it would be difficult to have a photographic memory of sex-abuse cases world-wide, and remain sane.
When are they going to start advertising the biggest perk of being an Uber driver: all the passed-out drunk pussy you can rape!
I know two women who have been raped by taxi drivers, who had already been reported to both police (no action, lack of evidence) and the taxi company (no action, lack of give a fuck.) They both love Uber, because there is at least some accountability.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Well, having worked a number of years in IT, one thing I noticed is that people tend to unconsciously treat IT-related workers as if they were mindless machines.
The irony of course is people ought to be more careful around machines these days. It boggles my mind that people literally pay for devices that eavesdrop on them at home. What's more it bothers me that smart phones don't have removable batteries anymore. It's only a matter of time before they start collecting information about us even when they are supposedly "off". Snowden has already revealed that the NSA can fake you into thinking your phone is off.
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As I said, "deranged fantasies". You are guilty of those.
The number should already give anybody with two braincells to rub together a clue: There is no way for 100'000 children with an average age of 12-14 in the US to be forced into prostitution. There are only about 3.5 million children of that age-range (it does not get any better with an understanding of what "average" means, the author of that propaganda-piece has none), hence that would mean one in 35 is forced into prostitution. Now that would be a bit more noticeable, would it? (Well, "massively more noticeable" would be the right term.) And at an _average_ age of 12-14? That is nothing but an utterly perverted fantasy. This would mean loads of of children would be forced into it at 1-12 years old, otherwise you do not get an average this low. Now, assume these on average 13 year olds stay in prostitution until they are 18 (well, as long as they are "children"). That would mean you have at the very least 600'000 underage persons in forced prostitution. So, where are these? Aybody? Right, THEY DO NOT EXIST!
Actual prostitutes in the US are estimated by reliable sources as 23 per 100'000. That is around 90'000. For these, the average age they start is 23. Hence the number of children forced into prostitution on average at 13 (!) years of age would be 7 times greater than the legal one. That is simply preposterous and can only be an extreme lie. It is truly amazing how gullible people are. The perverted fantasies will certainly play a role here.
And here is another number: Apparently, there are only about 38'000 missing persons under 18 per year in the US. Now, if _all_ of them are forced into prostitution (which is most certainly not the case by a very large margin), you are still missing 62'000. Think they are all "disappeared" magically without anybody noticing or forced into prostitution by their parents? Or by random strangers, and basically no one of them tells their parents? The gross stupidity of such a claim is staggering.
Also, if there really were these many children forced into prostitution on average at 13 years of age, this story would not be news at all because they would be found everywhere all the time with these numbers. One 16 years old already making the news is proof that this is very rare indeed.
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Now, assume these on average 13 year olds stay in prostitution until they are 18
No. I will not make idiotic assumptions with you. If they're only prostituted once, they've been "forced into prostitution". Hope this helps you understand where you went full retard.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Wow that's such bizarre logic. Of course it helped the girl! You know nothing about her situation other than that she was being exploited and had been reported missing by her family. I don't understand your fixation on what she may or may not have done to land herself in that situation. Regardless, it not only is a feel-good story, it also is a lesson to all of us to watch out for folks and do what we can to help them out of potentially harmful circumstances. If you agree with me there, then I don't understand why you posted what you posted in the first place.
So what your point? The guy should have done what apparently you would have, and just walked away, leaving her to her fate? Seems to me you're assuming facts that aren't in evidence.
Furthermore, are you arguing that if an action could only have a short-term positive affect on a person then it's not worth doing? What a sad outlook on humanity.
It sounds to me like this wasn't "human trafficking". If they said they put her on a plane to say Thailand or Burma or maybe some poor Eastern European country that would be human trafficking. This was just prostitution. It appears that 'human trafficking' is a new phrase that is intended to make all forms of prostitution sound worse than they really are. The truth is that there are a lot prostitutes who want to be doing exactly and you can 'reunite them with their families' as many times as you want and the next day they will be having sex for money again. Why? Because it's an easy and high paying job in pretty much every country in the world.
Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
One could argue that using age as the sole condition to determine mental readiness for any given decision (sex included) isn't terribly optimal; it's pretty obvious not everyone grows and learns at the same rate - people can be more mentally mature "for their age", or demonstrably less so. For instance, off the top of my head I can think of a certain 70-year-old going on 12.
It may not be, that much is true.... that is for the courts to determine. However, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
And one can only act on what they can reasonably presume to be true from observation.... if they spent forever second guessing themselves on every little thing ("oh that might not be such-and-such, it may be something entirely innocent"), nothing would *ever* get done.
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One could argue that it is terribly optimal. Perhaps if children's sexual liberty were a priority, we could run around performing government-mandated psychological testing, and once passing, give them their V-card to play with; or simply remove the age of consent.
she was exploited, which is wrong and illegal
Do you realize you're dreaming?
Somewhere around 15-16 maximizes population growth rates for a tribe
Then the tribe would want the mean to be 15-16, not the minimum.
Dont let thinking get in the way of a good moral outrage though.
"His name was James Damore."
Sounds to me like he dropped off the passengers, called the police, then went on Facebook Live. Or went on Facebook Live while waiting for the police to pick up or something like that.
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You teach her that the cops wont help
In many cases, they won't. If she was slightly older they would have treated her as a criminal rather than a victim.
Revictimization is a problem, especially as people get older, but by and large traffickers control trafficked women the same way that bullies control abused people (primarily abused women): threats and distortions of reality. Police will certainly not always be perfect, but mostly they will try to do a good job and even if they don't they will still be better than the person who is conspiring to rape you ten times a day.
she was free, but in a mental and emotional sense she was in just as much of a jail as someone behind bars.
It is common to view women, especially young women, as mindless objects incapable of rational thought and certainly incapable of acting in their own best interest. Often the people holding this viewpoint are those most opposed to the legalization and regulation of sex work that is the best hope to improve their lives.
It's certainly debatable whether legalization and regulation are the best hope and a lot of factors come into that, but it's a legitimate position.
But you are (deliberately or accidentally) implying that slavery not maintained by physical force is not a real thing.
When you ABUSE people, you reshape their way of thinking and do a lot to take away their perceived range of decisions. If you know or believe you'll be beaten if you call police, you don't do it even if there's nobody stopping you. If you have Stockholm syndrome, you don't call police even though nobody's stopping you. When your world is narrowed down to the one person bigger and stronger than you throwing you onto a street corner and telling you to bring back X dollars and you're a teenager who doesn't know how to think your way out, that's not the fault of an anti-trafficking activist for objectifying you.
Trafficking includes not only slavery by the use of force, but also slavery by fraud and coercion of all kinds.
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I have heard of it for what its worth. Likely from the news. How did you hear about it anyways, if it did not make the news? Inside sources?
My point is that it is newsworthy. I think you agree that it is newsworthy, just that sometimes it has not gone reported. The problem is not with this story though.
You might say there's some experience to it. I take cabs a lot (working late shift and whatnot) and many drivers ask me directly "how about a chick for tonight".
As far as I heard, the taxi drivers are getting paid for each customer they drive to a whorehouse (by the house, not by the taxi company). It's a kind of side job for them.
Yeah, the minimum, in principle, ends up as the mean, in practice. Just like everyone knew a peasant girl could do in 7 months what took a duchess or cow 9.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
That, and the part where the driver thought she looked just 12 years old. I don't think there are many if any place in the world where the age of consent is that low, and in places where prostitution is legal the age of consent for that is often even higher. Certainly not even 16, her actual age.
Nobody is "being sold" for sex these days except in exceptionally rare circumstances. It does not work economically.
That argument doesn't make sense. I'd guess it works great, from an economical point of view. Force the girl to prostitute herself, take most or even all of the pay, great profit potential for those with low morals.
It does seem to happen a lot, all over the world, and not just to children. Europe with its refugee crisis may also see refugees end up in forced prostitution - e.g. to "pay off debts" to people smugglers. Even before the refugee crisis there were ample examples of women ending up in forced prostitution rings. Them being adults just made it not make the news that big. Easiest accomplished in places where brothels are commonplace, as it makes it so much easier to control the victims by keeping them within the building.
What would give this story a real happy ending if somehow those two bitches had "something happen" to them in prison. Hopefuly something real gory and drawn out.
And then there's the parents selling their daughters to men to eventually be married to them when they are old enough. If they're below the legal age of consent even with parental consent, and there is compensation involved, it's child prostitution. This stuff might be legal and/or traditional where some of these people came from, but it's not legal here. (And it wasn't necessarily legal back home, either.) And it goes on plenty. Also, where do people think all those missing kids go? A lot of them are never even reported. Of those that are, those who are never found and for whom there is no evidence of abduction are simply written off as unexplained, but we have reason to believe that a lot of them are sold into slavery of some kind, perhaps even predominantly sexual slavery and with nothing to look forward to but a bad end.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Most over Europe, prostitution is legal. This makes it easy to find out whether women working in that field a coerced or not. They pay taxes, you can talk to them and ask them for their motivations, etc. Turns out, they are only very rarely coerced and those few that are usually are not coerced for very long. Also, no brothel owner will be willing to prevent the ones working there from leaving the building, as that would make for a large pool of victims that could a) escape b) tell customers what is going on and these would then go to the police, and, surprise!, that is exactly what happens in the extremely rare cases where a brothel owner thinks this is a workable idea. I remember one case where forced prostitution happened here last year, and, I think, the second customer was the one to inform the police. The violent "pimp" was an utter looser that had no clue about the realities.
The thing is, this is so rare that whenever it is discovered, it makes the news.
The other thing is that forced prostitutes do not make for good prostitutes and are in the very lowest price class. Being a good prostitute is hard and requires both empathy and intelligence. Add to that the constant risk of one having enough (and she can always tell her customers and that usually works and cannot be prevented) and you have the reason why criminal enterprises have given up on it. Now, human trafficking is real, but basically none of it is sex-trafficking. It is for cheap labor, because that one works economically.
Unless you count people that chose prostitution over another way to earn money because the other ways would earn them way less, there is no coercion going on in prostitution. No, really not. It is a "Big Lie" that gets told to people, mainly in the US in the west, but that does not make it true.
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So you think somebody forces a child into prostitution, risking 20 year or so in prison and only does it once? That does not make any sense at all! If this is for economic gain, it will be done regularly over the full time that child has a reasonable market value. But since this is mostly your perverted fantasy, economic realities (or any reality, really) does not come into play.
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I see you have nothing to back up your claims, and hence you are trying to change the subject. Figures.
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What's more it bothers me that smart phones don't have removable batteries anymore. It's only a matter of time before they start collecting information about us even when they are supposedly "off". Snowden has already revealed that the NSA can fake you into thinking your phone is off.
I think that time has already passed. It freaks me out that we all have supercomputers symbiotically attached to our persons. Not only all of the data and information we pump though them which is subsequently analyzed and reverse-engineered, but also how that access fundamentally changes our social structures, the way we view the world, our own self importance; literally our whole lens of reality is distorted in proximity to these devices.
Unceasing surveillance, diabolical in depth, indiscriminate in breadth. Using your own words and actions against you, refining plans for complete stimulus/response control: a consumptive device allowing greater avenues to consumption and dedicated to finding ways to increase future consumption.
I have found it very helpful to envision my cell phone as the Eye of Sauron.
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
> Apparently, there are only about 38'000 missing persons under 18 per year in the US. Now, if _all_ of them are forced into prostitution (which is most certainly not the case by a very large margin), you are still missing 62'000.
Are they reported again coming next year?
Otherwise, if they are missing for example, since age 10 they have 6 years to continue, you can have 38k * 6 = +200k children
Not that I think that's the actual number, but for all the number crunching in your post, that is a basic mistake
Beats reporting things that aren't true, or neglecting to mention important things that are true.
Sad to say, that story raised the average quality of news coverage.
There's no time like the present. Well, the past used to be.
The 100'000 "children forced into prostitution" was per year as in "new in", so the same applies to the missing persons. This was only a demonstration how far wrong the "100'000" children number must be. For example, many of these missing persons show up again in a short while, which just makes my argument stronger.
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I see you have nothing to back up your claims, and hence you are trying to change the subject. Figures.
I already provided something, and you cried about it. Apparently, pointing out your fallacious logic is also a waste of time. I dub thee waste of time.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Incidentally, here are a few a few harder numbers
https://www.washingtonpost.com...
They are form a study done by the DoJ. Unfortunately the link to the DoJ is broken and I cannot be bothered to find the document, but there is no reason the Washington Post would make numbers like these up.
They have 4'500-21'000 underage persons working in the sex trade in the US, with an average age of entry at 15.8. Only 15% have a "pimp", i.e. if you assume each pimp forces his girls into prostitution (extremely unlikely, most of those with a "pimp" will still be in it of their own free will), you get a maximum of 675-3150 underage persons forced into the sex trade overall. This nicely shows that the "100'000 children forced into the sex trade each year in the US" numbers are massively bogus and nothing but an outrageous lie.
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Correct.
...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
Would save on the 'I didn't know she was only 17!' when you have to card _everyone_ no matter what the age before having sex.
FTFY
but you could say that of many crimes, "Oh , that thief was fined and put on probation, but he'll probably just go back to stealing...".
You don't find 1400 girls in sexual slavery, ongoing for years, in a modern nation newsworthy? If you haven't heard of it, you should really ask who suppressed the news - and why.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
I do, but it could have missed out on a spot of my local news for any number of reasons - like a domestic political scandal or election happening at the same time. Not everything should necessarily be ascribed to malice or conspiracy.
There are other personal reasons why someone might miss out on a news story, including holiday, travel, family emergency, or illness.
That's why people get irate when criminals are sentenced lightly.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
Fine, but women who are doing it because they want to don't generally have pimps.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
Maybe you should read the actual report, written by people who run shelters all across the nation. Just one remark regarding your incorrect assumptions, not all children forced into prostitution are reported missing. Most are forced by family members...
Honestly it most likely seemed like a really bad prank. Imagine 3 people sitting in your car with 2 talking about how to kill the 3rd, no music on the radio, anyone would begin to wonder if they are an accessory to murder at the moment.