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Streaming Now Officially the Number One Way We Listen to Music in America (pitchfork.com)

An anonymous reader writes: It's official: according to a new year-end report released by Nielsen, over the course of 2016, streaming became the primary mode of music consumption in the U.S. Overall on-demand audio streams surpassed 251 billion in 2016 -- a 76 percent increase that accounts for 38 percent of the entire music consumption market. Plus, "the on-demand audio streaming share [of total music consumption] has now surpassed total digital sales (digital albums + digital track equivalents) for the first time in history." Nielsen's data is in line with others' findings.

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  1. I'd listen to more of my purchased music... by Chmarr · · Score: 4, Informative

    ,,, but iTunes is an interface abomination.

    1. Re:I'd listen to more of my purchased music... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That and when THEY fuck up and get hacked and someone buys a bunch of random stuff on your account, they just lock your account and say sucks to be you.

    2. Re:I'd listen to more of my purchased music... by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      Which is a crying shame since the reason to use it in the first place (or more technically, its predecessor, Soundjam) was the clean, easy to use interface.

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    3. Re:I'd listen to more of my purchased music... by Chmarr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sounds like you were sharing passwords across accounts. Risky.

    4. Re:I'd listen to more of my purchased music... by npslider · · Score: 3

      I'll second that notion. Apple needs to return to it's roots of software that 'simply works'. I stopped using iTunes years ago.

    5. Re:I'd listen to more of my purchased music... by fred6666 · · Score: 2

      the problem is that you purchased your music on iTunes.

    6. Re:I'd listen to more of my purchased music... by Chmarr · · Score: 1

      Actually no... some of it purchased there... but the vast majority are rips from CDs and from Amazon as MP3s.

    7. Re:I'd listen to more of my purchased music... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      They have no clue how much I listen to my ripped music.

    8. Re:I'd listen to more of my purchased music... by wardrich86 · · Score: 2

      Interesting - Soundjam looks a lot like Winamp, but for Mac.

    9. Re:I'd listen to more of my purchased music... by unixisc · · Score: 1

      ,,, but iTunes is an interface abomination.

      I'll second this. I bought a couple of music videos some months back, and recently could not download them after making space on my iPad.

      Actually, Windows 10 is almost the ideal platform for music - except when you are driving. I had an app Hyper (it's no longer in the Windows Store) which I'd use to download YouTube videos. If the volume was low, I'd use FormatFactory to amplify it so that I get what I want. Over the last 2 years, I've collected a whole bunch of videos this after first hearing them on Sirius XM, and then processing their volume when needed, and finally saving them both on my computer and on OneDrive, so that I can access them from my phones or tablets. It works just great.

      Only twist comes when I'm in the car. My car stereo has a system for playing iPods, which I can seamlessly control from my steering wheel, and Apple's Music app allows one to do something that Groove (on my Lumia) doesn't do: include music videos in playlists. Only problem: my iPad doesn't recognize songs downloaded from OneDrive, even though it can play it when connected to that site. While Windows 10 Mobile doesn't have playlist support in their Movies app (which is currently the default for playing music videos) and doesn't have video support in Groove (which does have playlists. So even if I have a group of videos that I'd like to listen to, I can't do it in the car w/o getting distracted, since playlists ain't supported. Oh, and one more thing - when I had a Winbook, the car navigation system wouldn't recognize its Bluetooth, or even if it did, it couldn't play stuff from there.

      But other than that, if I'm not driving, then YouTube downloads followed by listening on Windows 10 is the ideal way to do it

    10. Re:I'd listen to more of my purchased music... by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      So why are you even using iTunes?

    11. Re:I'd listen to more of my purchased music... by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      If you don't use Clementine it's your own fault.

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    12. Re:I'd listen to more of my purchased music... by jitterman · · Score: 1

      This is actually an excellent point. I did not, of course, RTFA, but how does one go about comparing streaming to CD / ripped audio / over-the-air radio / cable audio stations? I will agree that anecdotally it seems that streaming is likely to be more common, but to make the claim requires empirical evidence.

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    13. Re:I'd listen to more of my purchased music... by hambone142 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. The newer UIs really suck.

      I made the mistake of upgrading my iTunes once. It was awful in that it wouldn't provide lists of songs. Just big icons of albums which required lots of effort to collate.

      I downgraded my iTunes and it wasn't easy. 'Had to remove all Apple related programs (including Quicktime). Had to edit files.

      PITA.

      I stream music via TuneInRadio and Pandora. For my stuff, I use an ipod. If I want "cloud music", I use Amazon. I never buy music via iTunes because I prefer the .mp3 format for transportability. Apple is so hung up on DRM that it makes their products unusable.

    14. Re:I'd listen to more of my purchased music... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't sound like that at all, there have been well-publicised instances where people's account passwords have been reset by Apple through social engineering allowing unauthorized persons to access those accounts. Most publicly when it happened with a number of celebrities' iCloud accounts.

      But you seem to be taking the same approach that the above AC complained about Apple doing, just blame the user and say 'sucks to be you'.

    15. Re:I'd listen to more of my purchased music... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      If CD sales are going down, nobody's buying CDs to rip. Yeah, a lot of people have pre-existing libraries and just don't want newer music - but that is only a certain age range that would have bought CDs in the past.

    16. Re:I'd listen to more of my purchased music... by exomondo · · Score: 1

      So why can't you just use something else to play your music? There are stacks of programs to play various music formats, there's no reason you have to use iTunes.

    17. Re:I'd listen to more of my purchased music... by unixisc · · Score: 1

      If one has an iOS toy - be it an iPod/Pad/Phone, then that's the only way one can transfer content from the laptop to one of those toys

    18. Re:I'd listen to more of my purchased music... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not even close to true. There are many open source programs that will do the same thing.

    19. Re:I'd listen to more of my purchased music... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are alternatives available. I only use iTunes to backup my iOS devices. When I add or remove content from them, I prefer to use MediaMonkey.

    20. Re: I'd listen to more of my purchased music... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Examples? My kid has an iPhone and it's a pain in the ass.

    21. Re: I'd listen to more of my purchased music... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you transfer songs via usb without itunes?

    22. Re:I'd listen to more of my purchased music... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm old enough to be in that category, I still want to buy CD's but the mastering is terrible.

    23. Re: I'd listen to more of my purchased music... by exomondo · · Score: 1

      How do you transfer songs via usb without itunes?

      You actually think iTunes is the only way to transfer songs via USB? Really? But that's not the point anyway, if you want to listen to music that is on your desktop from your mobile then regardless of how you transfer you only have to do that once, you don't have to use iTunes to listen to your music.

    24. Re:I'd listen to more of my purchased music... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it isn't. And if one has an Android toy then music management is a real mixed bag, there is no default program for it. You can copy files wirelessly but what programs offer 2-way syncing wirelessly from your Android toy to your computer?

    25. Re:I'd listen to more of my purchased music... by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      You are an ignorant shit. DRM, music, Apple. One of those words does not belong.

    26. Re:I'd listen to more of my purchased music... by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      It's called google play music. You can send 50000 MP3 for free to the cloud. You can then listen to them all on your device, and can locally download songs if you want.
      At least you are not stuck using a single computer/phone pair. There is no excuse for the shit called iTunes.

    27. Re:I'd listen to more of my purchased music... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly, apple doesn't belong anywhere.

    28. Re: I'd listen to more of my purchased music... by ausekilis · · Score: 1

      I have an iPhone 6s and refuse to use iTunes on my Windows desktop. For all my media management I use MediaMonkey. I have a large music collection (something like 2 weeks of music now) and MM works amazingly well and allows me to sync to android or iphone. The only downside is you do have to have iTunes installed to get the USB drivers installed. I just disabled iTunes auto-start and auto-manage and haven't looked back.

      For older iphones, you may be able to get away with Amarok, Clementine, or MusicBee, though I haven't tried those with my phone.

    29. Re:I'd listen to more of my purchased music... by ElephanTS · · Score: 1

      that's why I never have moved from Snow Leopard on my old Mac Pro. iTunes is still sweet on that one - they ruined it later.

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  2. Why? by JustNiz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It boggles my mind why people are more prepared to keep paying for bandwidth and the associated problems such as connection dependencies, interstitial ads and increased battery usage, rather than just using local memory to store music.

    1. Re:Why? by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      You've got me. All I know is that on the odd occasion that I buy something off of Google Play (I just bought the new David Bowie EP), it sure the hell doesn't want me to download the MP3s, limiting me to two downloads and harassing me multiple times after the purchase about streaming or downloading to my devices.

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    2. Re:Why? by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Stream at work, cached for the car ride there... no caps at home.

    3. Re:Why? by npslider · · Score: 1

      With many streaming music services (not the free versions) you can save the song to the local device, thus not wasting bandwidth on multiple plays of the same song, or being affected by flaky Internet connections. The 10 or so bucks a month also eliminates all the ads.

    4. Re:Why? by npslider · · Score: 1

      I'm not the biggest Google Play fan. I started my streaming music adventure with Apple Music, but eventually moved to Spotify.

    5. Re:Why? by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      $10/month or you could just buy the song or album....it would be more cost effective.

    6. Re:Why? by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      $10/month or you could just buy the song or album....it would be more cost effective.

      If you only listen to one album a month, yeah. Else, not so much.

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    7. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Streamtuner and Streamripper can save anything to disk. There are thousands of 'radio' stations in Europe that plays anything you may want. I run about 20 simultaneous rips for a few days and then get enough music to play in my car for the rest of the year.

    8. Re:Why? by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Maybe... work doesn't care if I stream but they wouldn't like me putting all my mp3s on my computer here. And it automatically rotates the cached content around so I'm not listening to the same thing all the time when offline.

    9. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because managing id3 tags sucks balls. Why bother when I've got spotify?

    10. Re:Why? by npslider · · Score: 1

      If I only listened to a small number of songs this is true.

      Imagine if one listened to music during the duration of an average work-day: If I desire to listen to music for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, and assuming no song repeats:

      Average song length: 3.5 minutes
      Songs played in a 8 hour day: 138

      Costs for purchasing each song:
      Assuming a dollar per song that's 138 dollars a day.
      Assuming an average pf 21 work days per week: $138 * 21 days = $2,898 per month

      Spotify Premium: $9.99 per month.

      Needless to say, the more diverse ones music listening is, the better value streaming is.

      This is an extreme example, but the point is clear. Unless ownership of music is more important, streaming is a better value if one is willing to continue to pay for as long as one desires to listen to those songs.

    11. Re:Why? by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you have slightly wider musical tastes and want to listen to music legally, streaming can be a whole lot cheaper than buying hundreds of CD's.

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    12. Re:Why? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      I just switched from Spotify to Google Play. I had just gotten so fed up with Spotify's broken shuffle feature, which basically just picks 30 songs out of your playlist and repeats them over and over, that I had to try something else. I like the way Google integrates with the music I already own and has the same catalog as Spotify. Plus, the ability to dial in radio stations that actually includes the kind of genres I want is far superior in Google Play. Finally, it includes YouTube Red so I never get ads over there any more either.

      The main Spotify feature I miss is the curated playlists. At first I thought the lack of a "discover" feature would bother me, but I've been able to cobble something similar in GP.

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    13. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would be willing to bet that most people don't actually listen, on demand, to many more than 10 new songs per month. Sure you hear a bunch of crap on the radio then you may on demand listen to a few of those songs and decide you want to hear more. The problem is building the initial collection and the constant feeling you are getting ripped off if you only want to listen to a song *one* time or just want it in your collection.

      Streaming is popular because it is a lot like a home loan. You get the entire home today in exchange for paying a higher amount but over time. Same with the music. If you had, say $2,000 - you could buy a large collection of quality top hits and things of interest. Adding 5 - 10 songs a month and you would have up to 10,000 tracks by the time you die which would be over a month of unique music.

      The real reason it doesn't work is simple: if you already know you like the song (one listen) you have probably received most of the value of the track + the radio will likely play it 100 more times. If you have never heard the track - are you really going to drop $1 on it and hope it is good? No.

      Streaming simplifies this issue by "solving" both these issues. The first time you listened - you "paid" rather than getting it free from some other means. Then, you can freely skip and try music without consequence. The end result is streamers likely try a whole lot more music but much of it they do not love.

      The long term problem with streaming is going to be artist compensation. The streaming financing mechanism works in revers - it takes consumer's entire life to "listen" to a track enough times to represent the $1 up front for rights to listen forever. This means the artist gets their $1 over 10-50 years rather than up front. This is really bad for new, mediocre, or unpopular artists while being "ok" for established artists that can afford to live on 1/10th the pay at time of track release.

    14. Re:Why? by wardrich86 · · Score: 2

      I don't have enough room on my phone to hold that much music. I could use a cloud alternative, but then that would require me to buy a shit ton of albums, and then clog up harddrive space with ripped CD's.

      Streaming doesn't really use up that much data, so it's really not a problem for me. My biggest issue is ads on YouTube while I'm on mobile. They should switch to some static image or something if you're on mobile.

    15. Re:Why? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Shoutcast + streamripper.

      Welcome to early 2000s.

    16. Re:Why? by Pegasuce · · Score: 1

      No cap on cellular music streaming via my provider (Videotron, Canada). The images count etc but it is a good deal.
      No cap on gigabit network connection at home via my provider (Bell, Canada).

      I only stream because I find it very usage friendly and to discover new music is great. Having no CAP for it on all my provider does help.

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    17. Re:Why? by npslider · · Score: 1

      Interesting.. I've never noticed the broken shuffle feature your described. I do listen to a lot of shuffled playlists.

      I did like the genre searching better in Google Play. I preferred the interface and the way playlists were managed better on Spotify. Integration with my existing music was not an issue as the songs I already had were available for streaming.

    18. Re:Why? by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      spotify and apple music don't have ads when you pay. and even if i'm wrong, then it's an audio ad that doesn't use a lot of data

    19. Re:Why? by WilliamGeorge · · Score: 2

      Unlimited bandwidth? I have 1Gbps fiber internet at home, a decent cable connection at work, and unlimited 4G LTE on my cell phone.

      I do play some music from my local network at home, and my phone caches recently played songs, but I don't have to worry about bandwidth.

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    20. Re:Why? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I have a decent collection in Google Play of cached music.

      It does exactly what you describe. I stream to have e a broader collection and find new things.

      Most of the time bandwidth and charge aren't so relevant.

      If I'm somewhere without Wi-Fi and power (a plane for example) I still have plenty.

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    21. Re:Why? by jwhyche · · Score: 0

      If I just liked to listen to the same cd over and over, maybe. But for 10 bucks a month I have access to millions of cd's and thousands of bands. A great deal of them I have never even heard of.

      One of the best features of spotify I have found is listening to other peoples play lists. I have found entire genres of music that I didn't know existed or liked.

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    22. Re:Why? by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      >> Assuming a dollar per song that's 138 dollars a day.

      First off its not $1 per song if you already own the CDs. Secondly, even if you don't, you only pay that money once.
      With streaming you POSSIBLY pay less if you're just looking at one day, but if you look at streaming music on an ongoing basis, you keep paying.

    23. Re:Why? by hawguy · · Score: 1

      It boggles my mind why people are more prepared to keep paying for bandwidth and the associated problems such as connection dependencies, interstitial ads and increased battery usage, rather than just using local memory to store music.

      In my case it's a combination of that local memory being expensive (my phone has non-expandable storage, I have over 70GB of music files on my home file server), and because it's more convenient to stream music than to buy it and copy it to the devices where I want to hear it (home streaming media center, work computer, phone, etc). Even with thousands of songs on my home media center, I still almost always listening to a streaming provider, it's only in rare cases that I have a purchased song of my own that I want to listen to and I can't find it on streaming.

      Since I do nearly all of my listening on Wifi, the bandwidth expense is negligible.

      I pay for my streaming music service, so I never hear any ads.

    24. Re:Why? by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      >> it sure the hell doesn't want me to download the MP3s, limiting me to two downloads

      Wow really? you can't even download the entire album you just bought? Fuck that, if I was you I'd have already switched to something that does.

    25. Re:Why? by JustNiz · · Score: 2

      ...or you could just rip your CDs, store your files locally and pick exactly what you want to hear, and not pay anything.

    26. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really
      -odds are you already own a ton of CD's

      The rest you can get from used stores/ebay and rummage/garage/yard sales and thrift stores for far less than buying new.

      (as well as borrowing from your friends and feloniously ripping)

      You also wouldn't believe how much you can get for basically free because people are streaming and don't value hard-copies anymore

      And you only buy once and don't have to pay monthly to own those CD's

    27. Re:Why? by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      You can download the entire album, but only twice. I download immediately after purchase, make copies to multiple places, and so have never tested what happens after the second download.

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    28. Re:Why? by JustNiz · · Score: 2

      I actually have very wide musical tastes. Its just that for me at least, very little thats any more than blatantly commercial crap has come out in the last 15 years or so.

    29. Re:Why? by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Still, screw that.

    30. Re:Why? by wbr1 · · Score: 1

      I don't have enough room on my phone to hold that much music. I could use a cloud alternative, but then that would require me to buy a shit ton of albums, and then clog up harddrive space with ripped CD's. Streaming doesn't really use up that much data, so it's really not a problem for me. My biggest issue is ads on YouTube while I'm on mobile. They should switch to some static image or something if you're on mobile.

      If you pay the $10 per month for google play, you get bonus youtube features, including no ads, and plays with screen off (stopping the video stream as far as I can tell)

      To answer the GP's Why question... I have a 64GB phone. It is full with apps, photos and some music. With streaming (google play in my case), I can get any song I want, and even have it recommend new music. I have found several new bands this way.

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    31. Re:Why? by neo-mkrey · · Score: 2

      In a word: laziness

    32. Re:Why? by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Thats kindof insane that they monitor your (free to them) local storage but not your (potentially billable) bandwidth usage.

      >> And it automatically rotates the cached content around so I'm not listening to the same thing all the time when offline.
      Flag as Inappropriate

      Gee if only most media players had something like a random play feature. They could call it shuffle. I'll have to patent that idea. :-)

    33. Re:Why? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      It boggles my mind why people are more prepared to keep paying for bandwidth and the associated problems such as connection dependencies, interstitial ads and increased battery usage, rather than just using local memory to store music.

      Because people are lazy and stupid and happy to follow fads.

    34. Re:Why? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      I consume about 10 hours of music a day (I work in the music space - audio hardware development). To get 300 hours of any music I could ever want (including finding new things or being told about a great song to check out) for $10 a month is a fabulous bargain. Even if I listened to the same 300 hours every month - that would cost around $4500 at typical purchase prices - about 40 years worth of music consumption at $10/month.

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    35. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's an era thing. Let's take videogames as another example.

      I'm 44 and I used to buy a handful of console/PC games per year. I've played almost all my games from start to finish. The ones I did not finish was not for lack of trying.

      These days, I see kids with hundreds of games in their consoles, most of them only have a few hours of gameplay and will never completed. They are played a few hours at best, and then forgotten.

      It's quantity overload, I think. Before the Internet, music and games were not as easily accessible as today and there was a lot fewer of them too. We could appreciate things because we had time to give to each album/game we bought.

      It's like a whole generation with ADD.

    36. Re:Why? by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      And rip in the format and bitrate you want, even in a lossless format if you wanted to.

    37. Re:Why? by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The long term problem with streaming is going to be artist compensation. The streaming financing mechanism works in revers - it takes consumer's entire life to "listen" to a track enough times to represent the $1 up front for rights to listen forever. This means the artist gets their $1 over 10-50 years rather than up front. This is really bad for new, mediocre, or unpopular artists while being "ok" for established artists that can afford to live on 1/10th the pay at time of track release.

      THIS. Streaming is definitely convenient for many people, but it's a terrible deal for artists, generally speaking. Spotify, for example, pays out less than half a cent per stream (less, I think, for the "free" listeners, rather than the paid accounts). So, if you account for the fact that online download sources are taking a cut, the revenue might be around 70 cents for a downloaded track. A specific user would have to listen to that track well over 100 times to bring in the same revenue.

      How many tracks in your music collection do you listen to more than 100 times in a reasonable span of time? I suppose it depends on what sort of user you are. Some people have favorite songs on playlists that they'll literally listen to thousands of times. Others have thousands of songs and rarely listen to anything more than a dozen or so times. Most people are probably somewhere in the middle.

      As AC noted, the issue isn't necessarily unworkable by major artists who already have established careers and reputations. But for some new or lesser-known musicians, getting a $10 fee for albums or a $1/track fee may just provide enough trickle of revenue to keep them going with a hobby and lead them to try to do more stuff that will get broader attention. If that revenue (which might be only the thousands or even hundreds of dollars) is now reduced by an order of magnitude in streaming revenue, that may not be enough for artists to stay interested.

      I know there's this popular myth around that artists are "creators" and will just create stuff no matter what -- they have some "impulse" to do so. That may be true to some extent. But most people also have bills to pay, too. Having a few hundred or a few thousand dollars coming in extra may justify taking all that extra time in evenings and on the weekends to try to "make it" as an artist... or at least justify an ongoing hobby. But at some point for every artist it's just not worth it.

      I'm a pretty decent keyboardist. I used to play for a lot of weddings (and funerals and other events). It's INSANE the kind of prices people pay for wedding crap, so I could easily rake in money that way if I want to. And I'd be sharing my talent and whatever too. But the stress and the hassle of weddings just became not worth it to me. (It's just the craziest day in most people's lives.) Now instead tell me that my revenue for playing at a wedding was an order of magnitude lower -- a few small bills rather than a few hundred dollars? No way I'd have played more than a service or two before quitting that stuff.

    38. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought most of the good internet radio "streams" were effectively shutdown by the new rate structures that were put into place?

    39. Re:Why? by deadwill69 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It boggles my mind why people are more prepared to keep paying for bandwidth and the associated problems such as connection dependencies, interstitial ads and increased battery usage, rather than just using local memory to store music.

      I have a few reasons this works for me. After spending almost 20 years building up a digital music library it boils down to time and money.

      Time: My first foray into this was ripping my own CD's and Napster. Napster for the one-of-songs from albums/cassettes/CD's that I lost long ago and felt no strong desire to re-purchase for the one song I liked. CD's were a major pain. I ripped some 1200 of them on 1x to 4x burners. (I still have the manual for the 1x Tascam in the basement. Probably have to old Tascam too) Took a year. Then format's got better. Re-rip at 12x. And again a few years later on many of them at 20x. I managed to amass a collect of over 600,000 mp3, mp4, Wav, and other files. Then I went through and re-imported to get back to higher quality mp3s and get rid of all the separate formats. Keeping it clean, readable, searchable was a part-time job. CDDB didn't exsist and all of this was manually entered. Hell, I'm sure there's a large amount of this data dumped into CDDB after it finally came about.

      Then their is the whole mess of players. When I started there was only WinAmp that could handle more than 8 or 10k songs in a library. Then came iTunes and somewhere around there AOL bought WinAmp. They could handle 100k with ease and was quite a nice interface at the time (I still have an old mac 8600 with iTunes 1.1 on it and it still runs great). As time went on, new players came and went. Export library, import to the next or just start from scratch and wait days for my library to import. No fun going days with out music while your waiting for your library to import. Again. Or computer dies and you start over. iTunes still is the only player that reliably will load my library. (I've done VLC-not very user friendly last I tried, xbox- just sucks, XMBC, etc) All the major and some of the minor just can't handle over 20 or 30 k reliably last I tried and very few had/have the functionality of iTunes. (It's been a few years now since I tried last) So now, I have a computer in my stereo that is dedicated to only music. It runs iTunes, but I now have a wife and kids. This means I don't have the time to devote to maintenance or much else. I could turn the machine on and fire up player of choice that loads 600k songs, but it's just easier to launch Pandora Free (I'll do adds if you don't charge) or youtube and hit a playlist. It takes 3 seconds and I can be ensured a relative easy evening of musical pleasure. Then add on the continuing cost of keeping your collection updated with the latest music you do like. This is an ongoing task that just seems like more work.

      It's like owning a home, at some point you pay someone else to do the things that no longer make financial sense or you don't want to do anymore. I still don't mind yard work, but I'll call a roofer in a second. It's not worth my time to maintain a music library for regular consumption, so I let someone else do it for me. As for mobile, I read books or listen to the radio. I'm quite comfortable with radio hell and it gives me something to bitch about later.

      Will

      Ps. I hate iTunes and have since abandon Macs except for my historical machines that are mostly for sentimental reasons than anything else. Oh nostalgia!

    40. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually have very wide musical tastes. Its just that for me at least, very little thats any more than blatantly commercial crap has come out in the last 15 years or so.

      Me too, but I'm picky about what I like.. Unfortunately there is a lot more crap in every genre then there is good stuff. And I can't find streaming 'channels" that play what I consider a high percentage of "good" music of any kind. I don't mind some mindless pop songs, but how much bad crap should I have to listen to before I get to a good, clever, creative tune? I always go back to my ripped library.

    41. Re:Why? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      or you could just rip your CDs, store your files locally and pick exactly what you want to hear, and not pay anything.

      Oh, I do that all the time, but I can find music on Google Play that is out of print and/or very rare.

      If I want to hear Savoy R&B recordings from the late 40's, it would take me forever to purchase the CDs. Some of the more rare Blue Note recordings are also hard to find. I enjoy some of the Italian soundtracks from movies from the 70s, and good luck finding those anywhere any more except via streaming. Or maybe I want to find something I've never heard before, so I start the "Crying Country" radio station and discover some old Jimmy Wakely and Lefty Frizzell. With classical, I can check out multiple performances of the same piece to figure out which one I like best before plunking down my money.

      Even better with new releases. My entire list of favorite new recordings from 2016 came from records that I might never have bought otherwise, like Nick Cave or the Suffers or the latest Radiohead.

      I consume a LOT of music from different genres and eras. It's really not practical for me to have physical copies of everything I want to hear.

      Here, for your listening pleasure, is an example of a song that I'm not sure can be purchased physically any more.

      https://youtu.be/xAP_z-kEhgk

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    42. Re:Why? by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

      I have a GPM Subscription- no ads and not a lot of data use there, either.

    43. Re:Why? by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

      YouTube Red I think only applies to USA. I get 10% off in the app store, but I still get ads on YouTube.

    44. Re:Why? by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Oh no, it isn't free to them to locally store things. It all gets backed up to the cloud. Mostly, though, they don't want to deal with any copyright nonsense. And sure, there's shuffle, but this way an algorithm finds new things I might like based on what I already like. Discovered lots of new bands that don't get radio airplay.

    45. Re:Why? by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      I can see how it might work for you, but most of us don't work in the music industry.

    46. Re:Why? by EvilSS · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If artists want to get paid for their work, then they should demand to get paid up front. This expecting revenue every time a song is played is pure communism. Not making enough from your music? Go work for McDonald's.

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    47. Re:Why? by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      I think you hit the nail on the head.

    48. Re:Why? by jitterman · · Score: 1

      Probably depends upon your age.

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    49. Re:Why? by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      >> It's not worth my time to maintain a music library for regular consumption

      What work is there to maintan a music library? I just copy my music library to my phone's SD card once then I'm done forever.

    50. Re:Why? by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Youtube downloader is your friend.

    51. Re:Why? by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      >> Oh no, it isn't free to them to locally store things. It all gets backed up to the cloud.

      What? No it doesn't. I have most of my music library on an SD card on my phone. It doesn't go anywhere.

      >> Mostly, though, they don't want to deal with any copyright nonsense

      What copyright nonsense? You're legally allowed to rip your CDs for personal use. ITs called Fair Use.

    52. Re:Why? by npslider · · Score: 1

      Yes, if you bought the album today, the cost per song would be lower. If you bought only one song, a dollar a song is pretty standard fare.

      If you already bought the album (and are not considering the past expense incurred), yes, much better deal.

    53. Re:Why? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Interesting.. I've never noticed the broken shuffle feature your described. I do listen to a lot of shuffled playlists.

      The shuffle thing on Spotify has been a problem forever. If you look at the Spotify forums, you'll find dozens of threads of people complaining about it.

      https://community.spotify.com/...

      I did like the genre searching better in Google Play. I preferred the interface and the way playlists were managed better on Spotify.

      I agree on both counts. I'd been a Spotify subscriber since about the time they started their premium service. I just got irritated one day and thought I'd try an alternative. Since I had just bought a Google Project Fi phone, it came with 90 days of free Google Play music and I tried it and I've stuck for about six months now. Still keep that Spotify icon on my desktop though, in case I want to switch back.

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    54. Re:Why? by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Call me strange but if I buy something, I like to be the one in control of it. Apart from all the overhead/dependencies of streaming vs storing locally, I also don;t trust the seller to keep making it avaialbe to me for ever.
      Microsoft have already proved my point for me. Twice now, they have shout down entire media stores based on proprietary DRM, making peoples previous purchased music libraires unplayable, with no apologies or refunds.

    55. Re:Why? by exomondo · · Score: 1

      ...or you could just rip your CDs, store your files locally and pick exactly what you want to hear, and not pay anything.

      Well you still have to buy those CDs. But if you really must have access to pretty much everything then you need a combination of both, it's not particularly costly.

    56. Re:Why? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      What copyright nonsense? You're legally allowed to rip your CDs for personal use. ITs called Fair Use.

      I assume this refers to the copy made inadvertently when the computer is backed up to a corporate backup system.

    57. Re:Why? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Assuming an average pf 21 work days per week

      I think you need to find a new line of work.

      Despite how ridiculous the radio repeats are, few people want a month of no-repeats. Either way, $2,000 worth of music lasts far more than the 17 years it would take to match that expense through Spotify. I have plenty of music from CDs older than 17 years that I still listen to. Stored properly, you can get 50 years out of it, and a few might be valuable to a future heir.

      A huge number of my CDs were bought used and under the $5 range - they make flawless rips just fine. I don't think your dollar comparisons hold up to the average use case.

    58. Re:Why? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      No, they charge you the same amount regardless of your age typically.

    59. Re:Why? by deadwill69 · · Score: 1

      That is true and I once had a player I did that to also. It went in some drawer because I didn't feel like listening to that and didn't feel like putting different music on it. I never put it on my phone, because it's just too much of a battery suck regardless if it's streaming or not. I went back to the radio in the car out of pure laziness. Back to books on the plane for the same reason. Pandora at home because I can just hit "I'm still listening" and go back to where I was. My wife manages the playlists and I don't have to anymore. If I want another one, I can just type in a song or artist and 'bam' there it is. No playlist to build, hoping I get the right genres, no worrying about all the tags being in the right places. If I get nostalgic, I just launch my application of choice and load my music, but it's going to be one of those 80's or 90's flashbacks since I haven't added much in the last 10 years. I pretty much stopped buying albums after Napster and mostly gave up giving my money to people I don't support. I understand they still get my money one way or the other, but it's my way (similar to broadcast radio) and they can take their pennies. So, if I want to listen to Lana or Nickleback (JK) I pull up the streaming. If I want to go back through a discography of Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, or Ministry, I'll pull up my library.

    60. Re:Why? by npslider · · Score: 1

      I also don't trust the seller to keep making it available to me for ever.

      Good point. A subscriber pays a monthly fee, but it is never stated the service *could* up and disappear one day. Its nothing more than renting month to month. The land lord could sell or evict.

      As long as you don't think you "own" the music, this is OK with me. If Spotify shut up shop, there are alternatives.
      If all streaming dries up... we probably got bigger problems... Time to break out the LP's!

    61. Re:Why? by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      CDs prices are peanuts, especially used ones.
      Even new, they're like $4.99-11.99 on Amazon.

    62. Re:Why? by ljw1004 · · Score: 1

      It boggles my mind why people are more prepared to keep paying for bandwidth and the associated problems such as connection dependencies, interstitial ads and increased battery usage, rather than just using local memory to store music.

      I have 20k+ songs in my personal library, collected according to my interests and tastes since the 1990s. But I still end up getting a better selection/mix when I stream music from Songza. Why? ... I suspect it's because putting together a good music selection really is a skilled career path, but not my career path, so it makes sense to outsource it.

      (This is for home listening on powered devices, so your problems like bandwidth/ads/battery don't apply).

    63. Re:Why? by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      A streaming service like Spotify is about the cost of one CD per month. This means you break even at only 12 CD's a year.
      Some streaming services allow you to download for offline listening and they may offer singles or other songs rare on physical media.
      Another thing to consider is that CD's have a limited lifetime; I have several old CD's that are no longer playable; my only legal option would be to buy them anew (assuming they are still sold).
      The full answer is, as always; "it depends". If your tastes are limited to certain time periods or to only a few genres, you're probably better off buying physical media. If you have wide interrest or like to keep up with new music, streaming might be easier.
      Obviously, physical media has some added value due to the artwork and simply the idea of physically owning something you like.
      On the other hand, tracking down cheap physical media (especially less popular or rare music) is only cheaper if your time is worthless.

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    64. Re:Why? by npslider · · Score: 1

      Slight typo there... That should have read "Assuming an average of 21 work days per month" (which is the average). Sorry about that!

      21 working days a week... sounds like Dilbert in Hell.

      Say if you are 18 years old (I am older than that), and do not have a CD library, and wish to continue to add music to your play lists as you discover new artists and songs, the value is much better on the streaming side, if instant access to any song at any time is the desired goal.

      If you are older, have a library of music built up over the years, and don't desire to listen to new songs constantly, then I can see a solid case against subscribing to a streaming service.

    65. Re:Why? by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      At this point just directly rip the raw bits off the disc into a .wav file. No conversion at all, its a 1:1 copy. We have the storage for it.

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    66. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You misspelled FLAC.

    67. Re:Why? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Youtube downloader is your friend.

      Yes, it is. The Google Play Music app on my phone is an even better friend.

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    68. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have literally zero issues with Spotify. I listen to a lot of music from across genres, some of which are somewhat obscure. Spotify makes it easy, and also helps me find new music. Then throw my wife into the mix who has completely differerent tastes. I could buy maybe two albums a month for what I pay for Spotify. Spotify lets me discover and listen to a lot more than that.

    69. Re:Why? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised that most music isn't just passive stuff you hear on the radio while stuck on the freeway. Sure some people may listen to more music on a personal player, but it's a surprise that most people do this. I suspect most people hear music passively as they walk through shopping malls or stand in elevators.

      However the article talks about music *consumption*, not listening. So maybe this means more people BUY music from streaming services than either itunes or physical media. That's a different thing.

    70. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You misspelled Apple Lossless.

    71. Re:Why? by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Well here you said you don't have to pay anything, but of course that is wrong as I pointed out and you have now admitted. And as I said if you really must have access to pretty much everything then you do need a combination of both, but that's personal preference.

    72. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...or you could just rip your CDs, store your files locally and pick exactly what you want to hear, and not pay anything.

      Yeah sure if you already own everyting you'd ever want to listen to. Something new comes out? Oh you have to go and buy the physical CD (somehow Im pretty sure you have to pay something for it), get it home, rip it to your computer and transfer it to your mobile device...how convenient.

    73. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So I have to individually buy every CD for whatever I want to listen to and then rip it and then put it on my phone every time I want to listen to something new? Pfft...I share a family plan of spotify so my cost is $3 per month, I can listen to anything in their catalog, my mobile provider gives unmetered streaming and I can even download songs for those occasions where I might be away from mobile data. Much easier, much more convenient and also cheaper.

    74. Re:Why? by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Thank goodness that Captain Pedantic and his faithful sidekick, Anal Boy are here to save us all from the dangers of possible contradictions.

    75. Re:Why? by rot16 · · Score: 1

      How is this different from people listening to random music played on radio and artists still getting payed next to nothing?

    76. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Revenues from streaming is not the root cause. Artists have been screwed over in any medium. The problem is with the business model to which they agree.

    77. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > wider musical tastes

      Then it's not on streaming platforms.

    78. Re:Why? by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Correct. I guess I didn't mention that personal electronics aren't allowed in all areas of the facility. So streaming on the room's PC is fine whereas your phone is stuck at your desk.

    79. Re:Why? by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Oh don't get so butthurt about it, you're evangelizing a solution that you said is free when clearly it isn't. If you're making the point to say you don't have to pay anything when clearly you do then you obviously have an agenda that you're pushing.

    80. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you need Bandcamp. Buy and stream and free listening before buying. Lots of non-mainstream music from independent artists.

  3. How long until FM Broadcast drops off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm one of the few diehards that likes to listen to FM radio because its simple, couple buttons to press in the car and someone else chooses the music. I'll put up with ads for that.

    Guess I'll have to give in at some point and stream my favorite stations over cellular data/4G LTE with a device that can then get the sound into my car stereo somehow.(my current car has an AUX in 3.5mm jack which is handy, but now everyone is deleting the analogue audio jacks from phones lol) which seems kinda somewhat more complicated!

    What is everyone else doing?

    1. Re:How long until FM Broadcast drops off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My car has Bluetooth in it, so when I play the music on my iPhone it just streams to the car speakers. No wires involved.

    2. Re:How long until FM Broadcast drops off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is everyone else doing?

      Everyone else is probably moving into the 21st century. My car is almost 10 years old, and it had bluetooth from the factory, which is how it links to my phone, both for hands-free calls etc and for playing music (mostly internet radio). I believe there is a 3.5mm jack in the car somewhere, but I've never used it.

    3. Re:How long until FM Broadcast drops off? by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      All 38% of you.....

    4. Re:How long until FM Broadcast drops off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My car has Bluetooth in it, so when I play the music on my iPhone it just streams to the car speakers. No wires involved.

      Mine has BT also, but also a USB port. I just keep a flash drive with tons of albums on it plugged in. Even easier.

    5. Re:How long until FM Broadcast drops off? by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      I'm one of the few diehards that likes to listen to FM radio because its simple, couple buttons to press in the car and someone else chooses the music. I'll put up with ads for that.

      Doesn't really help too much when, of the 4 rock stations in your major metropolitan city, 2 stations are actually just 1 station broadcasting on 2 sides of the city (and plays mostly popish/folky "alt" rock to boot), 1 mostly plays classic rock, and the 4 was changed over to yet another pop station when we already have 2 (and several times you can now hear the exact same song playing at the same time on all 3 pop stations). There's no variety in FM radio for music any more.

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    6. Re:How long until FM Broadcast drops off? by jwhyche · · Score: 0

      I'm one of the few diehards that likes to listen to FM radio because its simple, couple buttons to press in the car and someone else chooses the music. I'll put up with ads for that.

      If you are a FM radio junky one of the things you may have heard of is that I heart radio app. Which itself is a ad riddled piece of crap ware. What a lot of people don't know is iheartradio uses a 48K AAC icecast stream. Most of the iheartradio stations can be picked up and listened to with a simple icecast app like xiialive.

      So if you want to listen to pure FM with out the add baggage of iheartradio ads you can go that route.

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    7. Re:How long until FM Broadcast drops off? by jwhyche · · Score: 0

      Agree there. I listen to Jazz and Blues. The city I live in has exactly 0 stations of each. But they do have a shit load of both kinds of the other kind, country and western.

      Spotify's jazz selection has kept me from hating both pickup trucks and horses.

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    8. Re:How long until FM Broadcast drops off? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      That's why the only FM radio station I listen to is NPR. The music's a lot better too (I do like classic rock, but I get tired of listening to the same 20 songs over and over and over and over). The only problem is when they're doing pledge drives. Luckily, I just keep a USB thumb drive plugged in with my music library which I listen to most of the time.

    9. Re:How long until FM Broadcast drops off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't stand the ads and other non-music that comes out of the radio. I don't understand how talk radio exists, as I'd probably find a cliff to drive off if I weren't able to turn that shit off. I installed an ipod adapter to replace my OEM CD changer and just listen to a 16 GB ipod nano full of songs on shuffle in my ~20 year old car. I fill the ipod by ripping my cd collection to flac and then re-encoding to mp3 and aac periodically over the years. The free encoders definitely got better and I could squeeze more listenable music into the same space. I evicted some tracks to make room for others and eventually stopped bothering as I don't drive enough to notice if/when the shuffle finally works its way through the whole collection.

      I am now wondering how long until my ipod dies and what do do about a replacement. They don't seem make them any more as far as I can tell, and the last few generations changed to a different cable format than what is handled by my ancient adapter.

      I'm amused that music of my youth like prog rock, hard rock, punk and new wave is now in the same golden oldies bin as the 50s rock and motown I heard on my dad's transister radio, also merging with classic rock of the 60s-70s. All that combined with a selection of classical, jazz, blues, reggae/ska, and bits of electronica give me enough variation. I'm getting old it seems. I haven't added CDs to my collection in over 5 years and don't seem to care.

    10. Re:How long until FM Broadcast drops off? by hambone142 · · Score: 1

      I use TuneInRadio and Pandora in my car. Run in to my car stereo via Aux. input or in one, I can do bluetooth (but don't, Aux is easier).

      I also have a 132 GB iPod with all of my music. In one car, I replaced the stock radio (DIN standard) with a new Kenwood radio that has a USB input for a flash drive. I dump albums I recently purchased on the flash drive and listen to them via the USB port because it's just so easy and I don't have to worry about iPod being put away for potential theft reasons.

    11. Re:How long until FM Broadcast drops off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have 12 presets on the radio and an iPod with an FM adapter. I suppose I could also get audio in via the tape deck, but I was getting a lot of noise the last time I tried that about 15 years ago. Kids today with their AUX inputs and USB and Bluetooth and what-not...

  4. We? America? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While the US may still think that "[They] are the World", you really aren't. Not that it would be clear from the title.

    1. Re:We? America? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are the world, we are the children

      We are the ones who make a brighter day

      So lets start giving

      There's a choice we're making

      We're saving our own lives

      Its true we'll make a better day

      Just you and me

    2. Re: We? America? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We arent the world, we're just the only part of it that matters.

  5. Streaming forever.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    umm. radio.. the original multicast streaming service.

  6. now, wait hold the heck on for a sec.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So,

    whats the difference between streaming music over a wireless connection versus listening to an AM/FM station over an analog tuner?
    Fidelity is in the eye of the beholder.
    That being said, its all a monetary thing. nothing else..

    1. Re:now, wait hold the heck on for a sec.. by Joosy · · Score: 1

      whats the difference between streaming music over a wireless connection versus listening to an AM/FM station over an analog tuner?

      If listening to Spotify you get to choose the music. If listening to radio station the DJ picks it.

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    2. Re:now, wait hold the heck on for a sec.. by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      LMOL umm no you don't choose the music. The music is selected for you...jackass.

      What?

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    3. Re:now, wait hold the heck on for a sec.. by Joosy · · Score: 1

      LMOL umm no you don't choose the music. The music is selected for you...jackass.

      Funny, I thought I remembered searching for a song this morning and playing it on Spotify this morning ... guess I didn't realize I was really living in your universe.

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    4. Re:now, wait hold the heck on for a sec.. by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      no stupid, on the free version you can customize your stations and the paid subs you can create your own playlists and only listen to what you want to listen to

    5. Re:now, wait hold the heck on for a sec.. by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Damn - I guess I didn't just open up a Leonard Cohen album and have it playing... Someone else did that...

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  7. Stats by darkain · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Curious to know how they obtain these stats. I personally use a local music library that is played through Foobar2000, so most likely not being tracked at all. And I know I'm not alone in this, either. There are plenty of us NOT using the latest and greatest tracking technologies in our every day lives to do the things we've always been able to do anyways without said tracking technologies, so how do we figure into the stats while simultaneously not being tracked?

    1. Re:Stats by npslider · · Score: 1

      While I subscribe to Spotify Premium, I did make the time to convert my CD collection to FLAC files to maintain lossless compression. When I prefer to listen to a few favorites on my headphones it's nice to hear the full quality of the song. This also removes any dependence on an Internet connection. No tracking of my music listening there either...

    2. Re:Stats by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      They track TV viewing by calling you and going through a questionnaire then they ask if you would keep a log for a month that they will send to you to fill out.

    3. Re:Stats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe in 1980 they did tv ratings that way. it's more sophisticated than that now. they also use satellite and cable tv receivers and dvr logs, receive viewership statistics from (legit) streaming sites, among other things.

    4. Re:Stats by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      They still do that too.

      Mostly they just pay attention to what channel your mandatory cable box is tuned to. Why do you think we don't use QAM?

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    5. Re:Stats by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      Yes they do, and you don't need to have cable to participate. They called me last year and just out of curiosity I stayed on the line since I don't have cable or satellite. I told them I used streaming services netflix, hulu, etc... they still wanted me to participate.

    6. Re:Stats by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      most of the real world uses spotify, apple, google or one of the other music apps out there. then you have the network providers who will sell data about what their networks are used for

    7. Re: Stats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you recorded a 44100khz 16 bit recording to FLAC? Why exactly?

    8. Re:Stats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Curious to know how they obtain these stats. I personally use a local music library that is played through Foobar2000, so most likely not being tracked at all. And I know I'm not alone in this, either. There are plenty of us NOT using the latest and greatest tracking technologies in our every day lives to do the things we've always been able to do anyways without said tracking technologies, so how do we figure into the stats while simultaneously not being tracked?

      You are not understanding the way they use the term "music consumption". That's not surprising, as the headline writer failed to understand the article. When they are measuring consumption, they are comparing methods of purchasing. It is not at all about people listening to music; it is about people buying music. And, streaming is now the number one way in which music is purchased.

    9. Re: Stats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lossless compression?

  8. And you want to know why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Freakin' MBA's. There are almost no actual dj's left in the country, all you have is presenters, who play what some idiot 23 yr old MBA, who knows nothing about the local market, or the audience that's followed a station for years, tells them to play.

    Late eighties, I was listening to the main rock station in Austin, TX, and they were allegedly doing a sixties afternoon. I vaguely remember one tune by the Stones, one by the Righteous Bros, and nothing else I had ever heard of. I call the DJ, and he said, "don't blame me, I could do a way better job", but the MBA was deciding.

    You've had a classical station for decades? You'll only play the Top 40 classical pieces. You've been a progressive rock station for decades, and your audience expects this? Forgedaboutit, you'll play what my market reports tell me you should play, that's popular with a different market segment elsewhere in the country. Yeah, it's a change of format, who cares, all that matters is selling advertising, and nothing else.

    All crap, all the time. I stream, so I can listen to actual dj's from around the country who know what their job is about.

    1. Re: And you want to know why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Radio stations market themselves as "classic rock" or "top 40" or whatever, but in reality, they're targeting a specific age and financial demographic. The music most likely to get that demo to listen to advertisements is the music that gets played. I'm 41, so I'm drawn to 80's stations, which from a certain perspective is the "oldies" market, although I think "old school" is the current form.

    2. Re:And you want to know why? by jwhyche · · Score: 0

      Then shoutcast is your friend. The software for it is free and you can set it up on any old box from the last 10 years.

      A few weeks back I was listening to some Reggie out of Jamaica, at least I think it was Jamaica. I have no ideal what that dj was saying but he knew there was more to Reggie than Bob Marley.

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  9. Fake news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bet a thousand dollars good old fashioned radio is more popular, which would make the statement "streaming became the primary mode of music consumption in the U.S" fake news.

    Prove me wrong, bitches.

  10. Bitperfect Studio Master Streaming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can stream 4K video, albeit with a reduced color space, and I can even stream theatrical releases using the same source as a theater. Why isn't anyone offering high resolution audio streaming?

    1. Re:Bitperfect Studio Master Streaming? by Knuckles · · Score: 2

      I can stream 4K video, albeit with a reduced color space, and I can even stream theatrical releases using the same source as a theater. Why isn't anyone offering high resolution audio streaming?

      Tidal has just started to offer a few days ago. It's included in the Hifi subscription and only works on the desktop clients for now.

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    2. Re:Bitperfect Studio Master Streaming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tidal HiFi is 16/44.1, i.e. CD quality, so it's not necessarily a reproduction of the studio master, which could be e.g. 24/44.1, 24/88.2, 24/96, 24/192, various DSD formats, etc.

    3. Re:Bitperfect Studio Master Streaming? by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      Tidal HiFi is 16/44.1, i.e. CD quality, so it's not necessarily a reproduction of the studio master, which could be e.g. 24/44.1, 24/88.2, 24/96, 24/192, various DSD formats, etc.

      The Hifi subscription is CD quality and has always existed in Tidal of course. What I mean is the newly launched Tidal Masters, which is part of the Hifi subscription and delivers 96 kHz/24 bit. See http://tidal.com/masters

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    4. Re:Bitperfect Studio Master Streaming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for that. I didn't see a link to Masters anywhere on tidal.com. Another thing I can't find: a publicly searchable catalog. Do you have to join to preview "curated" selections?

    5. Re:Bitperfect Studio Master Streaming? by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      Thanks for that. I didn't see a link to Masters anywhere on tidal.com. Another thing I can't find: a publicly searchable catalog. Do you have to join to preview "curated" selections?

      For me, Masters shows up as the third panel on the homepage. But no worries, I'm glad I could help. I believe that in a browser you can search by going to the hamburger menu top right, then click web player. Or try to go to https://listen.tidal.com/ directly. But they also have a free one-month trial period.

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    6. Re:Bitperfect Studio Master Streaming? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      The only reason these songs were mastered in such a high sample rate / bit depth is to reduce artifacts when blending multitrack audio into a single output. There is no reason not to downsample that to 48KHz/44.1KHz, because human hearing is incapable of hearing the difference.

      I'm not sure what the benefit of a higher bit depth is when you're already listening to music with the dynamic range crushed out of it. 16-bit is a pretty wide range of volume already, thought I could see 24-bit being reasonably worthwhile.

    7. Re:Bitperfect Studio Master Streaming? by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Because it's completely pointless. You can't hear any difference anyway.

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    8. Re:Bitperfect Studio Master Streaming? by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      There is literally no audible difference at all.

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  11. For free from YouTube! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yay I love free (and ad-free) content!

  12. Confession of a streamer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Music files are great. No DRM, standard format. You can back em up, stream across the network, keep them forever, build new interfaces and integrate music into basically any application or device. I'm almost ashamed to say that I stream. But it's almost exclusively streaming now, Spotify and Soundcloud (and a bit of radio).

    Why? Spotify is also brilliant. If you hear about a song or artist during the day, or just think about some music, you bet you can get it on Spotify (in stark contrast to Netflix, which I gave up on before the free trial ended). I use it for parties and for finding new music, and impulse listening. And when I have a subscription, it's hard to justify buying CDs (for the better quality) or downloads.

  13. why this artificial distinction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $ wget http://some.domain/some.song.mp3 &
    $ mplayer some.song.mp3

    I can start playing the song while it's still being transferred over the network. It's streaming AND being saved locally for future play. They are not mutually exclusive concepts.

    Now, you can elect not to save something you transfer and call that "streaming" if you like. But it's purely an artificial restriction. To stream you must transfer it, and to save it locally you must transfer it. The transfer process can be used for either, or both at once.

    1. Re:why this artificial distinction? by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      $ wget http://some.domain/some.song.m... &
      $ mplayer some.song.mp3

      I can start playing the song while it's still being transferred over the network. It's streaming AND being saved locally for future play. They are not mutually exclusive concepts.

      Now, you can elect not to save something you transfer and call that "streaming" if you like. But it's purely an artificial restriction. To stream you must transfer it, and to save it locally you must transfer it. The transfer process can be used for either, or both at once.

      You are simply not getting it. All streaming services I know have a download option. The real difference is a rental subscription vs buying non-DRM copies. Whether the economics work out depends on your listening habits.

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  14. And I still don't get it. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

    Maybe it's my work, etc... History but I just can't comprehend the streaming obsession. I'm a sysadmin, and nearly every damned user I have is on Spotify constantly. My wife is on Pandora constantly.

    I have a pile of a couple of hundred CD's I've bought over the years I've turned into Oggs and I have digital albums I've bought online and put on my phone, my desktop at home, my desktop at works and everywhere I want my music.

    My music works when the Internet is out (which is part of the history I spoke of, I've lived in a seaside shack that lost DSL every time it rained in the past. My music works when I driving in the middle of New Mexico where the FM auto seek just goes in circles and I have 0 bars. My music worked when I worked at the Johnson Space Center in a building that was intentionally shielded in a huge Faraday cage literally built into the outer wall during the cold war to keep Soviet bugs from broadcasting.

    I had at least one user who bitched every time time Spotify quit working. I have users that will bitch to upper management if stuff like that doesn't work often enough upper management will tell us to fix it even though it's not company software, not officially authorized to be installed, and has zero to do with getting the job done.

    There is nothing preventing these users from bringing music in on their phones and playing it at their desk, nor is there a policy or security apparatus that keeps them from copying a huge load of music files onto their machines.

    Why would you leave your music - especially when it's these people who obviously care about it enough to bitch to management - to the whims of bandwidth when you can have it on your own storage that will work even when the powers out as long as your battery holds up?

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    1. Re:And I still don't get it. by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Haven't you ever streamed anything on Netflix because it was more convenient than ripping the disc to whatever format the device you're holding can handle? Same deal.

    2. Re:And I still don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I usually don't watch the same movie within the same several months. With music, I have a few albums that I like to listen to again and again.

      A movie is something I dedicate time to sitting down and watching. Music is something that I have playing when working, driving, or doing just about anything. So not only does music get included in a lot more of my time, it also spans many different places, including those where an Internet connection might not be very good.

      That said, I'm kind of in between streaming and downloading. I do have a collection locally, and a lot of the stuff I listen to comes from Bandcamp. I'll download that as I want to listen to it if I don't have it on my current device, but I don't have any single device 100% synched up with my entire collection. This is especially true for my phone which I'll remove items off of if I find that I want to put new albums on.

    3. Re:And I still don't get it. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      Did I mention I rip my movies too? Kodi is awesome, I can play those back on my phone (at home) my PS3, my desktop, the TV it's plugged into.....

      Not exactly the same deal - I do use Netflix (and to a lesser degree Amazon etc...).

      The difference is with Netflix I plop my butt on the couch at home and watch something with a mostly (but my ISP still sucks a little) dependable wired connection to the Netflix servers.

      On the music side of things I'm in the car, at my desk at work, on my bicycle. When I'm using my phone to stream and I'm not tethered to WiFi I have to pay $10 a GB. Sure I can put my hopes into the generosity of every place I want to listen to music being generous with WiFi, many places have it, I just have to count on them having reasonable back haul that isn't over saturated, getting a password, and that their router doesn't suck unlike that one restaurant I used to eat at that kept it in the kitchen visible on top of a warming rack so it needed rebooting every hour or two due to overheating.

      No - not the same thing at all. I am the I.T. guy. When I can't get on WiFi away from home or work I usually can't bitch at anyone else and really expect results. On the other hand if it's at a relatives or in-laws house I'm usually welcome to upgrade them.

      It's a matter of mindset and responsibility. When you carry your own music you're saying "I've got this", when you stream music outside of your own domain you're saying "serve me".

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    4. Re:And I still don't get it. by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Those are good points, but if you have a pay sub to a music streaming service you can locally cache, too.

    5. Re:And I still don't get it. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      But once it's cached it's not really streaming anymore, at least after the first play.

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  15. Headline is clickbait BS by GrumpySteen · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Nielsen report says nothing about how people listen to music. The report is about how people directly pay for music (either through streaming subscriptions or more traditional sales) and does not include radio (the audience isn't paying a direct fee for those, after all) or any other form of listening that isn't directly paid for by the listener.

    The only way the headline would ever be valid would be if people purchasing CDs and MP3s listened to them once and then destroyed them, which is almost never going to be the case.

  16. End of radio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://youtu.be/T22MTBhU4Zg

  17. Too bad about the audible watermarks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.mattmontag.com/music/universals-audible-watermark

    1. Re:Too bad about the audible watermarks by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Someone mod this up, seriously. What's the point of a high-quality stream if it's going to be degraded like this.

  18. Except they don't use iTunes by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    on your phone, it's no longet iTunes. it's apple Music. So I think you are a bit dated here. Not that I'm a fan of the new interface either. But I don't like to see apple getting beat up over regurgitated issue like lack of a 3 button mouse.

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  19. Simple interfaces. by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    the car radio is great for simple eye's free interaction. It's also good for discovering new channels both locally and as you travel. It's a great human interface. Cuing up something on my phone to play it tedious, clumsy and I end up laying the same things too often. Even streaming blows as it's just too complex and too many choices.

    Someone needs to make a radio dial like interface for streamed music. limited selections so it stays not complex but evolves in with new music and also has things like NPR or BBC or whatever news channels you like.

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  20. I don't stream. by Nyder · · Score: 1

    I don't stream my music. While maybe in the future that might be okay, with no data caps, everyone having very very fast internet. But when my Internet it down, as it happens, i still have music to listen to.

    My internet goes down, I still have TV shows and movies to watch.

    Plus my music is flac quality.

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    1. Re:I don't stream. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At last, someone that considers the audio fidelity. There are still a few that care...thank goodness!

    2. Re:I don't stream. by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      You can't hear any difference between 320kbps MP3/Ogg Vorbis and lossless, anyway. So it doesn't matter.

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  21. Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, just like radio used to, which is essentially what streaming is. The fact of the matter is that most people aren't really music fans per se, they just enjoy listening to music, just as it has always been. Guessing the poster is too young to remember.

  22. Tenth Anniversary of Jango.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In 2007, Jango became the first music streaming platform to introduce a social networking aspect to radio stations.

    Ten years later, nobody remembers Jango. Yes, it still exists.

  23. Lack of FM on phones / iPhone limited space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The two factors pushing online music streaming (imho) are:

    Lack of FM functionality. I had a Nokia phone in 2003 (I can't remember which model), it was one of the first phones with a camera and it also had FM functionality to listen to local radio. So there was no need to dump gigabytes of mp3's onto the phone as I had any FM-station available like a regular radio.

    iPhones having limited space (16gb / 32gb etc). Once you've done a few rounds of your favourite albums, or are constantly deleting mp3's to make space for camera pictures/videos, or even get fed up with iTunes being fiddly (instead of a 2-CD album of 32 songs, you have 32 albums of individual songs), you get fed up with the whole thing.

    So it makes sense that streaming music is the most-popular given the scenario. However I wonder if it would still be the case if phones stuck with the FM functionality.

  24. The reason i have ZERO audio files on my iPhone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AUTOPLAY WHEN I PLUG IT INTO MY CAR USB.

    Seriously.

    I tried all of the tricks online and finally just got rid of all the music files. This was about 4 years ago and I haven't gone back since. $10/mo for spotify is a pretty effing good ROI in my book!

    Sad but true.