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More Than 8M People Own an Amazon Echo As Customer Awareness Increases 'Dramatically' (geekwire.com)

Amazon continues to see more and more traction with its voice-enabled speaker. An anonymous reader writes: A new report from Consumer Intelligence Research Partners (CIRP) estimates that there are now 8.2 million customers who own an Amazon Echo device, which first went on sale in late 2014 to Prime members and became generally available in June 2015. That's up 60 percent from the 5.1 million Echo users that CIRP cited in November 2016; the big increase likely resulted from a busy holiday season that saw Echo sales spike 9X from the year prior, according to Amazon. The 8.2 million number is also up nearly 3X from this time last year, CIRP said.

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  1. Voice assistants are another fad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Alexa, Google Home, Siri, Google Assistant. All of them. There have already been articles out that say usage is dropping after the "new" factor wears off.

    They will go the way of 3D TV within five years.

    1. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by houstonbofh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, it is dropping because of the walled garden. If echo was tied into Wikipedia (and with skills, it is) it would be used a lot more. The problem is the way skills are presented, which is not at all. If you install Wiki Brains or Professor Kay, usage goes up dramatically!

    2. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by David_Hart · · Score: 2

      Alexa, Google Home, Siri, Google Assistant. All of them. There have already been articles out that say usage is dropping after the "new" factor wears off.

      They will go the way of 3D TV within five years.

      I bought a Logitech Harmony Elite and the package with or without the Echo Dot was the same price, so I got the one with the Echo Dot. It is nice being able to tell Alexa to "tell Harmony to turn on the TV", etc. However, I don't have anything else to integrate it to. I do like that I can tell it to stream radio stations from Tune-in. I was thinking that it would also make a decent Alarm clock but Amazon hasn't integrated streaming into it's alarm yet. So far, it's just an interesting toy.

      The biggest barrier to the smart home is getting all of the devices to talk to each other. Until it's basically plug-n-play, it's just not going to happen. It looks like Amazon, and others, are trying to solve this. We'll see if they can succeed...

    3. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Walled garden or not, I'm not putting ANY smart-home devices in my house. At the moment, the only things connecting to my network is my phone, my laptop and my Roku. The router is connecting too, if you want to count that.

      No internet or wi-fi connected plugs, switches, bulbs, speakers. None.

    4. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A Fad... just like smart phones.

      To be honest, I don't expect the home voice assistant in 10 years to resemble the current one much, but it is more than a fad. This isn't like the tablet which was basically an inconvenient hybrid of a smart phone and a laptop- the home assistant like Echo, and Google Home is a new market and is surprisingly useful. Totally unnecessary, but useful.

      Now, Voice assistants on your phone or PC... yeah... those are rather useless. Connecting your smart home, light bulbs, etc, to Alexa, that's when it gets rather useful. I use it every single day.

      If you're just getting an echo dot for the "meow meow" skill, you'll get bored after driving your cats crazy a few times, but when it actually controls things around your home, that's another story.

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    5. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it because you're too poor or just because you suffer from paranoid delusions? If any 3 letter agency wants to spy on you they are going to do it. An Echo Dot or the absence of one is not going to make an iota of difference.

    6. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Dude, I grew up in the 80's and 90's when installing an OS took 6 hours and 20 pages of typed commands. Using the SmartThings IDE and copying and pasting some other guys code to get various things integrated is heaven compared to that. It's basically all plug-n-play already. The little bit of tinkering you can do is FUN and not even a requirement so much as a thing for coders to do if they want. I guess what I'm saying is for first gen devices this stuff is already pretty damn plug-n-play.

    7. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm far from poor, nor am I worried about government agencies. I'm a clinical pharmacist and no debt.

      First off, IOT adds nothing of value to me. I can get up to turn off the light. I can push the button on my garage door opener. Seconds, I refuse to voluntarily give more information to public corporations, namely Google and Apple.

    8. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by justthinkit · · Score: 2

      There are use cases.

      One client I have is a quadraplegic. Voice recognition on his laptop, and Alexa available to him when he is away from the laptop or merely wants a daily news snapshot, etc.

      Alexa is not perfect, of course. Last week I asked "her" how tall Jeremy Clarkson is and it came back with 6 feet, when he is in fact 6 feet 5 inches (on wiki anyway).

      Still, it is invaluable for a person in this situation.

      Privacy stuff? The average /. techie knows about it _and_ cares about. The rest of the computer using population? Awareness but no care, or no care.

      So the comparison with worse-than-useless 3D TV is not valid.

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    9. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, so you never use Google or search engines in general? Life must be interesting....

      Amazon uses Bing. The Echo just means you don't need to hunt for your phone to look up basic things like the weather or what the final score of last nights Jets game was or what year Mary Tyler Moore was born. They aren't asking for your social security number or your deepest darkest secrets. I like not having to get out of bed to find my phone to get it to play some Pink Floyd from my Bluetooth speakers in the morning. It's a convenience.

    10. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Mr. Ludd, is that you?

      While I have no desire to get an Echo, I understand it. I have Philips Hue, Insteon, Sonos, and an AppleTV+Smart TV. Integrating all of it is a pain. Some manufacturers even make decisions to make the problem worse (Philips!!), and everyone else thinks they have figured out the best way to make it great and "capitalize" on the opportunity. I have a few shell scripts that make life easy for me.

      But, my wife can't stand typing a 98-character curl line in order to shut off the alarm clock. To each their own.

    11. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I use DuckDuckGo whenever possible, and !bangs when I need to use google. I don't use gmail, nor do I have a google account.

      Go searching for your phone? Mine is in my pocket, or on my nightstand. Again, it's more useless crap to supposedly make things more "convenient", when really it's just convincing you to buy more crap that will end up at the Goodwill in a few years.

    12. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by Kernel+Krumpit · · Score: 1

      I use DuckDuckGo whenever possible, and !bangs when I need to use google. I don't use gmail, nor do I have a google account.

      .... Again, it's more useless crap to supposedly make things more "convenient", when really it's just convincing you to buy more crap that will end up at the Goodwill in a few years.

      Precisely this - Bump this guy up.

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    13. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      like the weather

      Look out the window.

      or what the final score of last nights Jets game was

      nobody cares

      or what year Mary Tyler Moore was born.

      nobody cares

      Things like Echo are solutions desperately looking for an actual use case. The 'use cases' people list for them in these inevitable Slashdot articles are just desperate justifications by people who spent the money and are now trying to convince themselves they didn't just throw it away at another pointless toy that'll end up in the attic in 6 months, and in the landfill in another 12.

    14. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really poor, nor paranoid. However, I fear private companies far more than the TLAs. Private companies sell your data to anyone who is willing to pay for it. TLAs tend to keep mum about what they get.

      In general, IoT devices tend to be absolute shit when it comes to security. Why would I want to hand over a launching point for attacks on my own network, as well as another source for a DDoS? Why do I want a device that most likely streams telemetry data 24/7 to the mother ship, and it has a microphone, making it real easy for it to be a nice recording device. What functionality do I get to have a device to make it worth the security risk?

      Not much. Voice devices do little for me, especially with the overlap of Google and Siri. Do I need remote colored light bulbs? Not really. Do I want the local child protective services to pay me a visit questioning my abilities at a parent because I don't have enough vegetables in my fridge to match their food pyramid, and the fridge sent them notification when it did a camera scan? Not really. Do I want a deadbolt on the door that is opened by a remote gang for some local meth-heads at the cost of a BitCoin or two? No.

      I have heard from the top brass of an IoT company that they get zero return for a secure device, so they are not going to bother. Plus, if someone wants security, they can buy the next rev and throw the previous one away.

    15. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has nothing to do with being a Luddite and everything to do with purchasing more junk because it's the Next Big Thing(TM). I have no doubt that I will start finding Alexa in junk big at The Salvation Army thrift soon. It's no different that the millions of people who bought a George Foreman grill and now there are shelfs of them at resale stores and every yard sale has one.

      If this stuff establishes itself, though I doubt it will, I might pick one up in five years or so. Until then, I'll save my money and keep more garbage out of the landfills.

    16. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, I have 4 tablets in my house, and a security policy that forbids anything but the TiVO from touching the network, and it's VLAN'd. No NSA mics here, thanks.

    17. Re: Voice assistants are another fad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IIRC most OSes in the 80's came either on a ROM chip or a floppy disk, unless you're talking about mainframes.

    18. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      If echo was tied into Wikipedia (and with skills, it is) it would be used a lot more.

      You can say "Alexa, Wikipedia (subject)" out of the box.

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    19. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      If you're just getting an echo dot for the "meow meow" skill, you'll get bored after driving your cats crazy a few times,

      I'm pretty much against these voluntary microphone bugging devices...BUT:

      While I'm not sure what a 'meow meow' skill is...if one of these things could keep the fucking neighborhood cats from sleeping on my black convertible roof in the carport...I might reconsider and get one!!

      I can't figure how to keep the fucking cat(s) from sleeping on my new car roof and getting hair and all over it and footprints on my car.

      I've asked around, and folks have suggested waiting up at night and taking "target practice"...some even recommended putting out a bowl of anti-freeze.

      That last one puzzled me, but I googled and apparently cats will drink anti-freeze and then well...they won't be a problem for sleeping on my car anymore...they will be asleep permanently.

      I'll admit, I'm no cat fan...but I don't wanna 86 someones pet. I do wish they'd keep the damned thing inside the house.

      Anyway, I digress....any way an echo or dot could keep the damned cat off my car at night?

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    20. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, he's not poor, he just apparently doesn't have lead-laced drinking water like the rest of you dumb shits do, and as such still has a three-digit IQ, instead of being the typical drooling idiot who festoons their private living space with surveillance-devices-in-sheep's-clothing and things so insecure that they virtually come out of the box already part of someones' bot-net. Seriously, when are you dumb faggots going to get a clue finally and stop wasting your disposable income on all that shit? FFS go spend it on a gym membership and a good pair of running shoes -- and some soap and shampoo while you're at it, so you can get less fat, less weak, and less smelly and dirty.

    21. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3D TVs were expensive TVs that were never supported and never had much potential. These products here are very well supported, are cheap, and have massive potential that hasn't been unlocked yet by AI software and deep learning. I think you're wrong.

    22. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Yeah, don't go killing pets, not only for the cruelty factor, but for peace between you and your neighbors.

      I have seen video of motion detectors hooked up to sprinklers/hoses, especially to chase off cats. (One youtube video from a few years ago, the poor guy's car was being peed on constantly.) That might solve your problem easily and non-violently.

    23. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This ^^^

      My data is worth more to me than what I'm being given by Google, Apple, et al.

      I want the most complete visilbity (as is possible) into how my data is being used, and I want to be able to barter with my data (its a currency). Currently, I have no idea, other than blind trust that I'm getting the most bang for my "buck."

    24. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      You couldn't when I got it... :) Another problem is people will not automatically look for new features. :)

    25. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

      Connecting your smart home, light bulbs, etc, to Alexa, that's when it gets rather useful.

      But why would I want to _talk_ at something to control these devices versus just pushing a button on a remote control, or using a smartphone app?

    26. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      We use ours every day for the same thing we used it for when we bought it.

      Even bought more to expand where we use it.

    27. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It'll be more useful when it can control the replicator.

      "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."

      I'll settle for the coffee pod machine.

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    28. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow so you would give up liberty to avoid a few switches? You are truly an idiot and your legacy will be part of the whitewashed and obedient hive mind. WHAT a jag

    29. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      This is a good example of where voice assistants can be too clever. When I ask Google questions in English it responds with Imperial units (feet, inches, pounds). I use metic. If I ask in Japanese it gives the answer in metic.

      For voice there doesn't seem to be a way to select which you want. Sometimes it gets it right, for example because I told Google Maps to metic, for example. Sometimes it just repeats whatever Wikipedia says, which means British/American articles tend to give Imperial.

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    30. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      The biggest barrier to the smart home is getting all of the devices to talk to each other. Until it's basically plug-n-play, it's just not going to happen. It looks like Amazon, and others, are trying to solve this. We'll see if they can succeed...

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    31. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Do you have full use of your limbs? Good, some people don't.

      Have you never cooked food such that your hands were covered in meat juice? Good, some of us do.

      Is your house wired where there is always a button immediately where you need one? Good for you, mine doesn't always have one.

    32. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      It is nice being able to tell Alexa to "tell Harmony to turn on the TV", etc.

      I have a couple friends who own Echos (Echoes?), and you've unintentionally hit on a complaint both have - finding/remembering the exact syntax required to get the Echo to do what you want is irritating.

      To be truly useful for everyone, you should be able to just say "Echo, turn on the TV" or "Echo, I want to watch TV".

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    33. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 1

      Which it isn't. There's no network connection until the activation word is reckognized. THis has been cross checked and verified by many. You can even utilize the service via a raspberry pi using the API and OPEN SOURCE software if you distrust the out of box device.

      Keep stirring up that FUD though.

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    34. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by Excelcia · · Score: 1

      I hope so. Eight million people installed a listening device in their home that is by design intended to record and transmit everything that occurs. NSA doesn't have to even work any more - people will do it for them and pay for the privilege.

    35. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mainly this article tells me that 8.2 million Americans are being spied upon in their own homes by something that they chose to purchase! How much more of this stupid IoT crap will stupid people fall for? And how many other spy devices have they already bought?

      The world of George Orwells 1984 is much closer that you think!

    36. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by e3m4n · · Score: 3, Insightful

      is it me being paranoid, or is the idea of a semi autonomous machine with a hot mic in the house, ready to broadcast everything you say, something right out of 1984 the novel?

    37. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      Yea, I recommend you watch this video if you need to watch something mildly humorous.

      (apparently, you peeing on your own car doesn't succeed in chasing the cats out!)

    38. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by radl33t · · Score: 1

      because he is a funny crazy person who is obsessed with nonsense?

    39. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by radl33t · · Score: 1

      I propose that mental health problems cause people to imagine their data so valuable.

    40. Re: Voice assistants are another fad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Natural language processing is getting better every day. Google will probably take the lead there for a while, because they've invested heavily in translation, but with Amazon's lead on users and therefore data collection, they could leap out in front again in a few revs. I'm more interested in speaker aware voice recognition, so the stupid thing can tell the difference between my wife and me when we're talking to it.

    41. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the data had no value, then why are companies and governments trying to collect it?

      Logic: You fail it.

    42. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by Xest · · Score: 1

      Because sometimes your hands are full.

      Obvious jokes aside, I find it incredibly useful to be able to shout out to my Echo what's on my calendar for the day when I jump in the shower first thing on a morning. My wife loves that she can change radio station, or play different music in the kitchen when she's baking without getting flour all over her smartphone. Even when your carrying your shopping backs into the kitchen it's nice to be able to get some music playing whilst your hands are full.

      And fuck, when you're curled up in bed ill there's nothing better than being able to shout to Alexa to turn the kettle on, and have it ready boiled when you make your way to it to make a lemsip. The only thing that would improve it is if she made it and brought the fucking thing to you.

      It's convenience, it's like saying why would I want to drive a car to work when I could just cycle. It's not a world changing phenomenom but it does add just a little bit of a convenience to notch up quality of life just that one slight little extra ratchet.

      Like most things, don't view it as a replacement that came before, view it as something that augments that. Pundits made the same mistake with tablets and smartphones, declaring that the PC is dead because of them, and that PC sales are declining as proof. It was nonsense of course, PC sales were declining because we'd finally broken out of a typical 3 year upgrade cycle largely due to companies cutting costs because of the financial crisis often moving to a 5 year cycle and so forth. No one ditched their PC because they had a tablet because it was still a ball ache writing a long e-mail to Aunt Martha on a touch screen, or updating your CV, or doing work, or writing software, or building websites, or using photoshop.

      The reality is that the tablet was just a new market in addition to, not in replacement of the PC. This is exactly the same - it's not saying get rid of buttons, it's here's another option to do things that might help you sometimes, but you're not going to get rid of your light switches, or your phone, PC, or tablet over it.

    43. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      But, my wife can't stand typing a 98-character curl line in order to shut off the alarm clock.

      lynx works, too.

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    44. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      I don't believe in controlling my house over the Internet. A microphone that goes to a computer thats uses BLE or a separate network or X10, sure. But why is the internet in the picture. (I know it's for the data.) But all the more reason to insist on local processing before you adopt it.

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    45. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 1

      You are paranoid. The 1984 thing was a camera in the house, ready to broadcast everything you do. There's one of those on your laptop and smartphone.

    46. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's you being paranoid. You've already got one of those in your pocket. And if you don't, everyone around you does.

    47. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Connecting your smart home, light bulbs, etc, to Alexa, that's when it gets rather useful.

      But why would I want to _talk_ at something to control these devices versus just pushing a button on a remote control, or using a smartphone app?

      In the kitchen and hands covered in raw chicken.
      In bed, and it's dark instead of fumbling for the ceiling fan/light remote.
      If you're like me, when you get home you don't carry your phone around with you. You probably don't have a phone or a remote control within easy reach all the time.

      I'm not saying that it is a necessity- you can just walk to the light switch... but it is useful and a convenience to be able to bark out commands instead of having to physically flip a switch.

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    48. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Because many times it's more convenient? When I'm cooking, I don't want to smear my phone with oils, it's easier to ask for information. I like having a SmartThings sensor on my motorcycle so the garage door opens as I approach my house, I don't have to fumble for a garage door opener or my phone. I like having my house realize when it's starting to get dark and automatically turn on lights - and turn them off when I am in bed and say "good night".

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    49. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      This is a good example of where voice assistants can be too clever. When I ask Google questions in English it responds with Imperial units (feet, inches, pounds). I use metic. If I ask in Japanese it gives the answer in metic.

      Contrary to popular belief, the Japanese CAN pronounce the letter "R"...

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    50. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Alexa, Google Home, Siri, Google Assistant. All of them. There have already been articles out that say usage is dropping after the "new" factor wears off.

      They will go the way of 3D TV within five years.

      For the most part, the people I know who bought them tend to use them solely as music players. In that function I can see them being around for a while.

      The rest of the functions, they're extremely faddish. After the 2nd time of getting A korma instead of the vindaloo you asked for you're not going to use it to order food any more.

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    51. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Put of the json gets too hard for her in Lynx. ;)

    52. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      Walled gardens is a problem that have plagued home automation for decades.
      I considered it once and quickly dismissed the idea. There is no way you can just buy an AC unit, boiler and an alarm system and expect everything to work together. There are standards like KNX but there is no way the reasonably priced stuff you get from home depot is compatible.
      And BTW, KNX is not IoT. KNX is local and distributed. You can connect the whole thing to the internet if you want but you don't need to, not even once. You need a computer for configuration though.

    53. Re:Voice assistants are another fad by dddux · · Score: 1

      You're being too generous with 5 years. I'd say a couple of years at the most.

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  2. What's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Honestly... I still don't see the allure of having a device like this in my home.

    1. Re:What's the point? by SeaFox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not really for you,, and It's more likely to be accepted by people than the government forcing everyone to get a telescreen.

    2. Re:What's the point? by gfxguy · · Score: 2

      I don't get it either. It's not even a matter of give-and-take with respect to privacy, it's "here, take all my privacy NOW! I don't need anything worthwhile in return! Just take it!"

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    3. Re:What's the point? by link-error · · Score: 1

      I'm building motorized blinds in very high wall in my living room using Moteino wireless devices and will emulate Wemo devices. It will allow me to lower/rise them with voice commands through Alexa. Otherwise, I'd need to use my phone or tablet, etc.

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    4. Re:What's the point? by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      My company gave *everyone* a Dot for christmas.
      I gave it to my ex wife as a "from the kids" present.
      Saved me from spending actual $$ on my ex, so I still appreciate it, but not having it in my house.

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    5. Re:What's the point? by houstonbofh · · Score: 2

      Tablets were desk free internet. This device free internet. Without a device in your hands you can change the music playing, read e-mail, and lookup data on the web (with the right skills installed) while you are doing other things. Just the music alone is damned handy!

    6. Re:What's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not exactly correct, you need to pay them to take your privacy from you.

    7. Re:What's the point? by imidan · · Score: 1

      Without even considering privacy issues, I still don't want one. Maybe I'm more of a visual learner/interactor, but I don't really want Alexa to read me my email. I mean, I don't even like voicemail that much, I'd rather have an email or a text. I guess it would be kind of nice to be able to command a particular album to start playing, but I don't mind just using the remote control on the Apple TV. What Alexa needs for me to care about it is a killer app, and it's not there yet, for me. It's like smart watches in that way.

    8. Re: What's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And have an active mic recording everything you are saying and doing.

      It would be an interesting test, "now Putin, stop ramming Donald so hard!"

      And see if the black helicopters show up.

    9. Re:What's the point? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      The software company I work for redeemed their Amazon credit card rewards for Echos this last year, giving each of us a Dot. Here's how it's gone for us so far...

      My wife's uses for the Echo Dot:
      - Bluetooth speaker for phone
      - Pandora radio
      - Weather
      - Kitchen timers

      My uses for the Echo Dot:
      - Entertain my wife

      Right now, they're little more than novelties for most people, honestly, but as smart homes become more common, I suspect Alexa et al. may find a niche. I don't understand the people who think voice will replace physically manipulating objects in your environment for everyday activities (e.g. I have absolutely zero desire to deal with a voice assistant to turn on the lights when I enter a room, when, instead, I can just flip the switch as I enter). That said, I can't count the number of times I'd have loved to have smart lights/outlets/switches available so that I wouldn't have to get out of bed to turn the lights off throughout the house. So there's definitely a place for them to provide a minor but meaningful improvement to our quality of life.

    10. Re:What's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like things people did in the 70's that you now see their houses for sale and you think WTF were they thinking?

    11. Re:What's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny you should mention this but that late 60's and 70's mid-century look is back in vogue now complete with orange colored kitchen cabinets and you pay through the nose for it. My wife just had us install orange colored kitchen cabinets so I would know.... The ugly brown shag rugs are still out but those dark walnut square media consoles with the side leaning legs are back ($2k a pop) and high quality wood paneling too (but in the 70s it was more low quality paneling -- the new stuff is much nicer and $15 per square foot).

    12. Re: What's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "do you want me to order donuts from amazon?"

    13. Re: What's the point? by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      And have an active mic recording everything you are saying and doing.

      Actually, no... I fired up a sniffer and checked. It does not seem to send data (at least not for now) unless the keyword is spoken. And it does not have enough storage to "record everything you are saying and doing" in between activations. That said, since it auto updates, any of that can change.

    14. Re:What's the point? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      I don't get it either. It's not even a matter of give-and-take with respect to privacy, it's "here, take all my privacy NOW! I don't need anything worthwhile in return! Just take it!"

      Posted without any self awareness of what you are currently doing.

      Using a

      1. Registered account
      2. Using an ISP that logs what and where you go (and possibly more)
      3. Using a web browser that is pretty easily identified through multiple fingerprinting techniques
      4. Paid for through a credit card or bank account that is linked to your name and identity.

      You're already being tracked.

      I don't need anything worthwhile

      I guess you don't value your time or have more of it than you know what to do with.

    15. Re:What's the point? by rsborg · · Score: 1

      You're already being tracked.

      I don't need anything worthwhile

      I guess you don't value your time or have more of it than you know what to do with.

      I guess you'd prefer to simply *trust* Amazon to tell you a) they're not monitoring you all the time surreptitiously, or b) (more likely) they have a backdoor that the Feds or Police can use at-will whenever they want.

      You know, if I have to trust Amazon (or Google or Apple) all the time to not be compelled to give up my privacy for any random investigation, just for a bit of convenience, I think I'll pass also.

      Meanwhile enjoy your extra chocolate ration, citizen! The Ministry of Plenty thanks you!

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    16. Re:What's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you see the value? You can simultaneously lose your privacy, be retarded, show others that you're retarded, and have the privilege of paying of it.

    17. Re:What's the point? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      No, I assume Amazon is feeding them everything I say.

      I assume I have an NSA agent sitting on my couch just like I've assumed that since long before Snowden told us they were.

      I always assume that unless I take measures to know they're not. It's trivial to do that.

    18. Re:What's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Otherwise, I'd need to use my phone or tablet, etc.

      The horror...

    19. Re:What's the point? by peawormsworth · · Score: 1

      You're already being tracked.

      It is an abuse of privacy.

      When someone tells you that they are being abused, do you reply that they should just take it because they are also being abused in other aspects of their lives?

      All violations should be stopped. The significance of abuse is not reduce by packing on further violations.

    20. Re:What's the point? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      You work on getting them to stop. I'll use their abuse to my convenience.

  3. The only allure that matters... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... sweet sweet shareholder value.

  4. Nice ads slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trying to take over my Android browser.
    "Congratulations Android user"
    Even makes my phone vibrate.... I'll thank the tards at Google for that joke.

    1. Re: Nice ads slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, they keep crawling in trough google ads, and thanks to these braindead web designers you cant even turn this fucking useless javascript bullshit off.

  5. It'll be like the Wii by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Millions sold, and yet most will end up back in the box and dumped in a closet after a few weeks when the novelty wears off.

  6. They're converting people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did Edward Nigma design this machine or something

  7. You need to BUY these? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just weird that people would pay to have these in their home. I'd think Amazon would have had to pay people on the order of a hundred bucks or so a month to get some creepy microphone next to their couches.

    1. Re:You need to BUY these? by number6x · · Score: 2

      We got an echo (full size, not a dot) as a christmas present. Fun to play with for a few hours.

      After the first day all we use it for is as a timer or as a blue tooth speaker to stream music from our phones. We used to just use our phones for the timer and a blue tooth speaker for the speaker. The echo does not add any benefit that wasn't already there. Certainly not $180.00 worth of benefit.

      It is definitely not worth the price. Not even close. I recently replaced a furnace and considered an internet enabled thermostat. The added abilities were nowhere near worth the price, so I got a regular old programmable thermostat for $14.99. I've got a house that is about 120 years old. The thought of adding automated fixtures turns my stomach. I've owned the house 20 years. I've replaced all the wiring and plumbing, tore out the plaster, insulated and dry walled, replaced all but one window (it's decorative), replaced the roof, removed asbestos, replaced siding, and finally the furnace. I did most of this with my father and my wife.

      When I read posts by people who say how amazingly great these devices are, I think to myself that they fall into one of two categories:

      • Payed shills who list the name and manufacturer of all of their 'wonderful' gadgets.
      • People who spent thousands of dollars on gadgets that give them the benefits of existing technology that costs much less, and are just trying to convince themselves.

      I have two kids about to go to college and retirement in a couple of decades after that. The last thing I think about is wasting money on an expensive blue tooth speaker oven timer combo.

    2. Re: You need to BUY these? by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Funny

      I have actually seen one.

      Rendered me speechless for the rest of the evening.

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    3. Re:You need to BUY these? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      The echo dot was all of $40 during the holidays. That's cheaper than a single z-wave switch. I've re-wired our most used switches with z-wave switches. (Of varying brands, just to avoid being considered a shill).

      People who spent thousands of dollars on gadgets that give them the benefits of existing technology that costs much less, and are just trying to convince themselves.

      And yet you own a furnace that is run off of electricity or natural gas. What benefit does that really give you over a wood fired furnace? Something that already existed and is cheaper to run if you split your own trees. I think you're just trying to convince yourself it's cheaper by shilling for the Big HVAC industry or mad you spent thousands of dollars on a furnace and want to convince yourself it's worth it.

    4. Re:You need to BUY these? by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 2

      So you don't use the device to its full potential, and you really enjoy bragging about how "frugal" you are. That's really special.

      My echo dot can be told "connect to your speakers" and stream music to my 7.1 system taht actually SOUNDS good, rather than the marginal speaker even the full sized echo has. I have my lights and other devices linked via a smartthings hub, and my AV system via a harmony hub. All voice controlled, all timer controllable if I so wish. I have a sensor hooked to my front door to let me know when it's opened, should maintenance decide to visit my apartment unscheduled. I use it EVERY DAY. From "computer, turn house on" when I return home, to simple things like "Time" or Forcast . And timers and quick queries on game time or other things.

      I think it's worth the money, and it enhances my quality of life. Of course I don't have kids, and probably never will. I have no need to wring my hands and crow about how I have to be frugal and sacrifice my life quality for the future.

      "The thought of adding automated fixtures turns my stomach". OK got it. You're a luddite.

      Go be frugal. Get off that evil computer.

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    5. Re:You need to BUY these? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are so cool. Here, have a cookie.

    6. Re: You need to BUY these? by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Rendered me speechless for the rest of the evening.

      I see what you did there. ;-)

    7. Re: You need to BUY these? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You certainly couldn't hear what I did there.

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    8. Re:You need to BUY these? by antdude · · Score: 1

      Yep. I think they are buying them as toys to me. For me, I care not for these "toys".

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    9. Re:You need to BUY these? by number6x · · Score: 1

      Don't ignore the difference between $180 someone paid for my echo and the $40 you paid for your dot. The capabilities are very similar, but the cost to capability ratio is very different. As you state, you use your dot to pass the task on to more capable devices.

      Your speakers sound as if they are nice. I miss listening to things in stereo. I'm single side deaf, as a result of Meniere's Disease. Besides, playing in 7.1 stereo is not a capability of your echo dot. The streaming is, but I bet you already had a phone that could could stream your music to your speakers.

      You live in a building with maintenance, I re-habbed my century old home. It is not being a luddite to have an appreciation of the 'character' of an old building. The original wiring in my house was cloth covered and was run behind wooden baseboards. The cloth would crumble when we removed the baseboards! We took care to preserve as much of the original style of our home. Fitting an old house with modern fixtures really does look awful, like when an old person tries to dress like a 20 year old. It's not that I'm a luddite, but old houses have character.

      Also, don't ignore what I said about my children. When I think about college tuition versus spending money on smart hubs, AV systems or 7.1 speakers systems (hearing loss aside), the kids rank much higher than do the pleasure gadgets.

      I think we have different priorities, and that leads to placing a different level of value on the benefits of some things over others.

    10. Re:You need to BUY these? by tzanger · · Score: 1

      I've re-wired our most used switches with z-wave switches. (Of varying brands, just to avoid being considered a shill).

      I'm looking at these as well. Do you have any recommendations for or against any particular brand or "type" of switch? I'm very interested in ones which are compatible with existing three-way switches and which are *not* toggle switches themselves. I also seem to be favouring in-wall as opposed to smart switches, as all the smart switches seem to be that large, flat Decora style.

    11. Re:You need to BUY these? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      The GEs seem to work best. I don't know of any that are compatible with existing 3-way switches, all of the ones I have need a special 3-way switch which uses the traveler to send a signal. Our house already had the Decora style switches so everything was drop in.

  8. Amazon's API went viral because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Awareness spiked when someone used the Alexa API to connect their Echo to a talking "Billy Big Mouth" singing bass toy in November.

    If I didn't know better, I'd swear it was all an Amazon stealth viral marketing campaign

  9. Tie-ins are key by cusco · · Score: 2

    Most of the people that I know (including myself) who use the Echo a lot have it connected to their music profile on Amazon, Spotify, IheartRadio, or Pandora. The Dot has an audio output that will work with most people's stereo system, or Bluetooth to newer audio equipment like Sonos sound systems. I've found checking bus schedules, weather forecasts and traffic to be much more convenient that getting out a laptop/tablet/phone. Alarms and timers are more convenient than messing with clocks, and you can have multiple levels of them from multiple devices. My niece has tied hers to Wikipedia, so her kids use it for homework. We haven't gotten to playing around controlling other devices yet, but our friends say they can't even find their WeMo controller as they haven't had to touch it since configuring them on the Echo.

    Sure, some people will try it and say, "Meh". I expect to see a few of them on Craigs List in another month or two. By and large though, once you start using it you tend to use it a lot. Besides, Alexa is the only one in my house that actually does what I tell her to.

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    1. Re:Tie-ins are key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      /r/hailcorporate

      Oh wait, this is slashdot.

    2. Re:Tie-ins are key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alexa, blow me.

    3. Re:Tie-ins are key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sonos doesn't have Bluetooth and the Echo/Dot don't do wifi streaming. The Sonos integration is limited to telling Sonos to turn on and off unless you buy a Sonos Connect Hub for $300+ and use that hooked up to the Echo/Dot. Sonos needs to up their game. They haven't improved their hardware in a decade. And the Echo/Dot need a digital out so you can hook it up to a DAC that cost more than $2. The Dot does stereo out but it's a muddy sound that's probably fine on $200 speakers but just terrible on $2000 speakers. A digital out would cost Amazon like 25 cents.

    4. Re:Tie-ins are key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of the people that I know (including myself) who use the Echo a lot have it connected to their music profile on Amazon, Spotify, IheartRadio, or Pandora. The Dot has an audio output that will work with most people's stereo system, or Bluetooth to newer audio equipment like Sonos sound systems. I've found checking bus schedules, weather forecasts and traffic to be much more convenient that getting out a laptop/tablet/phone. Alarms and timers are more convenient than messing with clocks, and you can have multiple levels of them from multiple devices. My niece has tied hers to Wikipedia, so her kids use it for homework. We haven't gotten to playing around controlling other devices yet, but our friends say they can't even find their WeMo controller as they haven't had to touch it since configuring them on the Echo.

      Sure, some people will try it and say, "Meh". I expect to see a few of them on Craigs List in another month or two. By and large though, once you start using it you tend to use it a lot. Besides, Alexa is the only one in my house that actually does what I tell her to.

      OK Slashdotters ... I challenge you to write your own custom app - NOT INTERNET CONNECTED - which can perform the same functionality as Echo. GO! Yes its doable, but I promise you the moment your spouse says "why didn't you pickup ___ on the shopping list as I need for ___ event" - you will be making another 1+ hr run to multiple stores to get whatever it is you missed vs. wishing you had the voice-enabled home device that syncs to multiple devices and you could have easily picked up on the way home with 15 minutes of checking your smartphone and calling a few stores ahead of time to check if they had what you needed.

      No, don't flaunt high-minded philosophy at me - provide me with alternatives that do not compromise privacy AND meet my requirements (well OK - my family's requirements), then I'll listen.

      P.S. This is me playing devil's advocate as the the average consumer. The challenge however remains.

    5. Re:Tie-ins are key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Erm - you could develop an open source toolkit that runs on any of the existing micro-controllers out there (hell, you could write it for linux and just run it from raspberry PI).

      I'm not even going to bother looking, but I'd be willing to bet that someone, somewhere, has started an open source project to do just this.

      Then, you can examine the code and verify that it's not sending your audio stream to an external server. It might require some training to establish a corpus of voice data, but a data corpus like that could be created from volunteers, rather than forcing all participants to automatically submit their audio to the corpus.

      In an era when a microSD (literally smaller than my thumbnail) can hold 256+ GB, I don't think keeping an offline copy of a corpus of voice recognition data is going to be a problem.

    6. Re:Tie-ins are key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The datacenter can have that data in RAM (or various techniques, such as lately a 4GB/s memory mapped SSD installed on a graphics card)

      I don't know if that is needed, but I thought I'd mention it. While your Raspi has 1GB RAM and 256GB flash, a server may have 256GB RAM and 64TB flash. (likely more RAM than that and perhaps less flash, but it's funny how's that a very realistic fit)

      It might well be easy anyway, the evil companies might open source most of what's needed themselves. Pre-processed, already "learned"/hashed data may be faster to download than source data. The companies will sell computing time etc. and consumer data, but you won't need those "services" if you make do with mountains of free code and open data sets (a problem will be to sift through the garbage).

      Perhaps some shady "businesses" will buy data on the cheap from the evil companies or their "partners", run laundry lists of processing on the data to determine who's on vacation this week, what the security systems are like (alarm, door, etc.). For a given area/region/town/list of neighborhoods, compile a list of this week's temporarily vacant homes, a report of what kind of security systems to expect (door, dog, cameras etc.) ; provide this week's up to date hacking tools, relevant to the expected hardware and software in homes. Sell this combined data to would-be burglars.

  10. Surveillance culture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't these people realize that they are opening up their private lives to companies in wholly new ways?

    Before you say "The FBI can already listen in on your phone anyway", please understand that this is very different:

    - This device has way better microphones, and can listen well across the room.
    - With FBI surveillance, if your phone starts listening in it's a rare occasion that you had no choice in. With Alexa it's assumed and accepted that a microphone is always on, and you conciously accept it.

    - You are conciouslymaking your visitors susceptible to surveillance.
    - It might not store your voice, but they probably store a hashed voice print. This makes you easily recognisable by other Alexa's. It's like Google technically not reading your mail, but finding out lots about you anyway.
    - Visitors of your home will now also get a voice hash.
    - You are implicitly saying you are ok with a culture where companies have these devices in the home. While that may be ok with you, this culture in the end will create social pressure for others to accept this too.
    - It doesn't record everything now to make it more socially acceptible. But it might become a 'feature' later. A beach head like this is asking for feature creep.

    - Check out Hellen Nissenbaum's concept of privacy as 'Contextual Integrity' to better understand how this is, in fact, a sufficiently new situation.
    - Check outthe book "Black Box Society" to better understand how privacy is about the right to avoid social pressure. Or watch this short interview:
    https://www.youtube.com/embed/...

    We all understand the old punitive system where a crime leads to a punishment. It's the one lots of people claim they have nothing to hide from..
    We are now building a much more subtle system next to that in the form of the reputation economy, where deviant behavior is corrected through social pressure.

    1. Re:Surveillance culture by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      We are now building a much more subtle system next to that in the form of the reputation economy, where deviant behavior is corrected through social pressure.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive

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    2. Re:Surveillance culture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > This device has way better microphones, and can listen well across the room.

      Not mine, I put earmuffs on it.

    3. Re:Surveillance culture by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      No, Anonymous Friend, most don't know, and the rest don't care because they think their lives are so uninteresting that no one else should care either. Of course they're wrong. Knowledge is power, and if you gather enough information about a person, especially information that should be private, you can have a degree of control over them that would astound them. Worse, you can control people without them even realizing they're being controlled. But, you know, bread and circuses, and all that.

    4. Re:Surveillance culture by R.Mo_Robert · · Score: 1

      Are you this paranoid about your smartphone, too? You say it's different, but an iPhone has pretty good mics ("Hey, Siri" can also hear me from across the room) and I'm sure there are comparable Androids. Sure, it won't listen unless you meet the conditions and enable the feature, but neither will Alexa--as far as we know about both if we trust the manufacturer as yo do for the phone. You can always unplug (or turn off with a "smart plug" so you don't have to physically do it, assuming you trust those) the Alexa device when you're not using it, but 99% of what I say when I'm at home is "turn off the lights" or to play Pandora, so it doesn't really bother me.

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    5. Re:Surveillance culture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm prepared to be astounded. I'm about as boring as a stone and not important enough to matter and that's not ever likely to change. Spy away but give me free cool stuff.

    6. Re:Surveillance culture by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      As I said in the last Echo thread, Unless you take measures to make sure you're not being intercepted and listen to just assume you are, not that I agree with that but it's just fact at this point.

      Do you think the US revolutionaries kept themselves out of sight during planning? Or do you think they went about their daily lives until they knew they could talk freely? Which one do you think would raise more suspicion?

      I assume the average Slashdot reader is intelligent enough to setup secure end to end encrypted communications, even with people sitting in the same room.

      • Alexa, play light jazz
      • On local hosted SSL IRC server: So what time do you want to do [nefarious act]
      • Alexa, set a timer for 60 minutes
      • IRC: I don't know? I think that the [target of act] will be open to attack at 08:00.
      • Alexa, add toilet paper to the shopping list
      • IRC: I'll order some fake IDs through the darkwebs, do you have a preferred state?
      • Alexa, how many teaspoons in 1/4 cup

      Since you seem to be out of the loop: Examples of end-to-end encryption include PGP, GnuPG, Protonmail, S/MIME, Inky, or pEp for email; OTR, iMessage, Signal, Threema, or WhatsApp for instant messaging; ZRTP or FaceTime for telephony; Google Duo or Wire for videotelephony; and TETRA for radio.

      So yes, if the NSA wants to listen or look in on 99.9% of my daily life, please, come sit in my living room. Fair warning I walk around naked a bit. I'll sometimes shit with the door open too. It should be no secret to anyone that I use the bathroom, listen to music, cook food and order stuff to get through through the day. All data that is easily aggregated from data that's already out there with credit cards, customer loyalty cards, etc.

      I know they're going to be aggregating and watching me anyway, I might as well get some convenience out of it.

      But if you really want to plan something it's also not that hard to take precautions to do so. TAILS, public wifi, any of the above apps. Or even easier, just go lone wolf. Keep all of the planning in your own head.

      If you want to avoid being tracked all together the Amish are a very welcoming community. They keep to themselves and everyone around here leaves them alone. I'm sure they feel a bit of social pressure to change but they don't.

    7. Re:Surveillance culture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Do you think the US revolutionaries kept themselves out of sight during planning? Or do you think they went about their daily lives until they knew they could talk freely? Which one do you think would raise more suspicion?

      So the theory here is if you're going to be a social, political, cultural revolutionary, the strategy should be run out and buy an home data mining and surveillance home machine so that you don't look suspicious? Wat?

    8. Re:Surveillance culture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both of you missed one 'spying' feature currently in use on these devices and phones: advertising. Some TV ads and shows are putting out high frequency sounds and tracking features built into these devices and phone apps detect those sounds and report back. This lets the companies better understand who are watching their shows and help them generate better profiles about you so they can more easily take your money.

    9. Re:Surveillance culture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, I see. So you're likewise okay with being profiled, perhaps (and very often, incorrectly) by corporations and government agencies? To perhaps be arrested for something you had absolutely nothing to do with, just because your 'profile' says you might be involved, and happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time (as witnessed by your smartphone, and all the tracking it does of your whereabouts)? To have your insurance rates skyrocket because of whats in your 'profile'? The possibilities are endless in what can happen to an individual due to all the personal information that you're foolishly allowing faceless corporations and government snoopers to have about you -- and that's not even delving into what criminals can do to your life when (not IF, but WHEN) they gain access to those databases. You okay with your life being ruined due to identity theft, for instance? Criminals can't hack into something that doesn't exist, but you people are allowing corporations and government to have access to information about you that should be private and protected, all because you want shiny baubles and want to play twitch-games on your smartphones.

      You people claim to be okay with not having private information; would you let someone put cameras and microphones in every room of your house (and I mean EVERY room, including bedroom and bathroom) to allow strangers to watch you 24/7, for some 'free cool stuff'? What, you're NOT okay with that? Why? You don't seem to have a problem with having the rest of your privacy violated, why not this? 'It's different' you say? How? You taking a dump or fucking your wife is far, far less 'private' than your day-to-day habits, where you spend your time, what you buy, what you eat and drink, especially when all that information is brought together in one place and used to create a behavioral profile of you and your life. You don't seem to care if someone has the tools to do things to influence or outright control how you live your life, why should you care if people see your dick or how much toilet paper you use, or if you masturbate to porn?

      Go right ahead and pretend it doesn't matter. I enjoy laughing at you idiots.

      Oh and by the way I've hacked Slashdot, got your IP address, hacked your ISP for your customer records, including your SSN and state-issued ID, know your home address, how much money you make, where you work, and when you're home. Your wife is kinda good looking for a woman her age, maybe I'll give her a tumble when I come to rob your house. You don't mind if she's dead when you come home, do you? Oh and if you call the cops on me I'll empty your bank account and post on your Facebook account how you've decided to go to Syria to join ISIS, and 'allahu akbar' on your Twitter account.

    10. Re:Surveillance culture by watice · · Score: 1

      I have this strange feeling that the conspiracy theorists who seem to have some crazy idea that audio streams are constantly (or most of the time, AT ALL) sent to X company/agency have never written software with speech inputs.

    11. Re:Surveillance culture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they are spying on what I do in an Orwellian fashion there is no risk of being improperly profiled since they have perfect or near enough to perfect information since the spying is total. And I'm sorry to tell you this but if a 3 letter agency decides to make you the fall guy for something they are going to do it with or without computers or Alexa. The most you can say about modern tech is maybe it makes their job easier but the NKVD had no trouble with that stuff long before the transistor. They didn't need Facebook to frame you or ruin your life. The way you stop abuses by power structures is with legislation and building a healthy civil society not by going paranoid and avoiding technology.

    12. Re:Surveillance culture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, I see now: You're a fucking coward, have given up, and will willingly accept anyones dick up your ass if they tell you to bend over and take it. Please have your balls removed (since they do you no good anyway) and kill any living children, the world doesn't need more pieces of shit like you in it.

      People need to FIGHT THIS BULLSHIT. If you're not willing to then KILL YOURSELF, you're ruining the gene pool.

    13. Re:Surveillance culture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are now building a much more subtle system next to that in the form of the reputation economy, where deviant behavior is corrected through social pressure.

      the problem that I have is the growing belief that non-participation in voluntary privacy erosion is considered deviant behavior. I don't have a cell phone, I have no social media accounts, and I don't give out my email address if I don't have to. Our society generally assumes that I have something to hide, simply because I choose not to share. What happens when I no longer have a choice?

  11. For English Americans only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It looks nice and all but if you use anything else than mainstream english services, it's completely useless. If past experiences are any indication, it will simply never support local services and wil badly support the very minimum in other languages.

  12. Why all the media fuss over this? by Solandri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is there some payola going on? Google was actually first to implement a voice assistant. Nearly a year before Siri, I was using it on my Android phone to send texts, initiate map navigation, make appointments and to-do lists, make general web queries, as well as make phone calls like most phones have been able to do since the early 2000s. It's just that most people never knew about it because Google never thought to give it a catchy anthropomorphized name like Siri or Alexa.

    Approximately 81% of the Android devices out there can use OK Google (Android 4.4 or newer). With 1.4 billion Android devices, that's 1.1 billion devices with access to Android's voice assistant. iOS has about a half billion users, the vast majority of whom can use Siri. Yet the press is saturated with stories about a mere 8.2 million people with an Amazon Echo?

    1. Re:Why all the media fuss over this? by geekmux · · Score: 2

      Is there some payola going on? Google was actually first to implement a voice assistant. Nearly a year before Siri, I was using it on my Android phone to send texts, initiate map navigation, make appointments and to-do lists, make general web queries, as well as make phone calls like most phones have been able to do since the early 2000s. It's just that most people never knew about it because Google never thought to give it a catchy anthropomorphized name like Siri or Alexa. Approximately 81% of the Android devices out there can use OK Google (Android 4.4 or newer). With 1.4 billion Android devices, that's 1.1 billion devices with access to Android's voice assistant. iOS has about a half billion users, the vast majority of whom can use Siri. Yet the press is saturated with stories about a mere 8.2 million people with an Amazon Echo?

      Perhaps the infatuation around the Echo device is derived from one key differentiation that separates it from the rest of the assistant bunch.

      Other assistants are enabled with a button, or some other user input to activate the microphone.

      As a societal litmus test to validate just how much users don't give a shit about privacy, Amazon chose to remove that burden, and instead just leaves their device listening all the fucking time, secured by a EULA and a pinky swear that they won't allow anyone to abuse that.

    2. Re:Why all the media fuss over this? by MoogMan · · Score: 1

      People don't buy a phone to get Google Now or Siri, it's a convenient extra. People buy the Echo almost certainly for the voice control as that is it's main selling point. Numbers aside, 3x growth at that scale appears to indicate ongoing and growing demand.

    3. Re:Why all the media fuss over this? by hey! · · Score: 1

      I think the innovative thing about Siri is that it was quite a bit smarter about understanding humans' context-dependent grammar than what came before. This make it a lot more natural to use.

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    4. Re:Why all the media fuss over this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Highly likely. These features are stupid and nobody wants them except people that are stupid enough to think they are cool and great.

    5. Re: Why all the media fuss over this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google was actually first to implement a voice assistant.

      Nope. IBM, Dragon, and others came before Google even existed.

    6. Re:Why all the media fuss over this? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Google was actually first to implement a voice assistant. Nearly a year before Siri,

      Everything old is new again. I was using one on my PC before the first iPhone.

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    7. Re:Why all the media fuss over this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bezos just got a huge contract from the gov't.

      And Now Coincidentally this shit.

  13. Headline is Exactly Backward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Awareness of Customer Increases Dramatically

    (Also: Did any of these 8M people actually read 1984?)

  14. 8M idiots and counting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Only in the US could Amazon be lighting it up with privacy-destroying devices like Echo while "1984" tops their book sales.

  15. went viral because...The Trump Effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *ducks*

  16. Canada, eh? by mseymour · · Score: 1

    Still waiting for it to be officially available here.

  17. Oh, *definitely* useless. by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    Now, Voice assistants on your phone or PC... yeah... those are rather useless.

    Yeah, you bet. Being able to blindly thumb one button on my phone in the car and say "call Deb, put it on speaker" is absolutely useless.

    I'm totally with ya.

    ++++++++++insightful.

    Sorry. I'm a little compulsive when people say utterly silly things. :)

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    1. Re:Oh, *definitely* useless. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      "Pile Deep, put inside."

      "I'm sorry, I don't understand that."

      Right behind 'ya ....

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    2. Re:Oh, *definitely* useless. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Without network connection, voice assistants on a phone can only do a handful of things not including "enable mobile data" for some reason. Getting any meaningful use out of my voice assistant means fumbling through my phone as much as if I just fumbled through my phone to make the stupid call and find the speaker button.

    3. Re:Oh, *definitely* useless. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How about you stop making phone calls while driving and concentrate on, you know, actually driving so you don't end up killing anyone?

    4. Re: Oh, *definitely* useless. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stay off your phone while driving please ya fucknut.

    5. Re:Oh, *definitely* useless. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what if he "drives" a BMW Vision... or other self-driving cars...

    6. Re:Oh, *definitely* useless. by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      Being able to blindly thumb one button on my phone in the car and say "call Deb, put it on speaker" is absolutely useless.

      I wish that were possible. It was possible for me with a cell phone I bought around 2002 or 2003. The phone had 10 or 20 numbers you could "train" to call by recording your voice, creating a verbal speed-dial of sorts. I remember the looks I used to get from people when I put the phone to my ear and say "call Deb" or whatever... At that time, it was like something out of sci-fi.

      Alas, that feature became useless when I got my next phone a few years later. They did away with training and just tried to match my contact list... Except it would never get it right. There's only 10 people or less I'd want on verbal "speed-dial" anyway, but instead it was trying to pattern match to something out of hundreds of contacts.

      Smart phones are basically still the same. Voice recognition isn't good enough to figure out how to distinguish my contacts (mostly because many names have nonstandard pronunciation rules).. So I'm still stuck with tech that's still less useful than the phone I had 15 years ago.

    7. Re:Oh, *definitely* useless. by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      I bet you're tons of fun on car rides. I can only presume you demand absolute silence so you can dedicate 100% of your thinking on driving. The rest of us have learned how to drive while also holding a conversation with others (in the car or remote), listening to the radio, etc.

    8. Re:Oh, *definitely* useless. by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      Works fine with my phone -- an S7. I've not had it make a mistake yet. It's very useful.

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    9. Re: Oh, *definitely* useless. by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      I'm not "on my phone", that's the whole point. I'm just talking to someone, same as if you were in the passenger seat. My hands are on the wheel where they belong, and my eyes are on the road.

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    10. Re:Oh, *definitely* useless. by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      I'm not "on my phone." I'm just talking to someone, same as if you were in the passenger seat. My hands are on the wheel where they belong, and my eyes are on the road.

      Or are you advocating for zero conversation with drivers? If so, I at least see your point, but I consider it unreasonable.

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    11. Re:Oh, *definitely* useless. by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      Why would you be without a network connection?

      I just set my phone to use cell data when wifi isn't available. Works fine. I never, ever get even close to my data cap. Surely your provider gives you some data without extra fees?

      Or is this a paranoia thing? Because if it is, I hate to be the one to tell you this, but malware is unlikely to care what your settings are. Traditional black hat, corporate black hat, or government black hat. Just keep your phone free of things that are compromising and cease worrying. Or, if its your location you're concerned with, take the battery out. Though at that point, whether the phone has a voice assistant or not is moot.

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  18. Another quack wades into the fray by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    *ducks*

    No, no. Billy Big Mouth is a fish. Well, an ersatz fish, anyway.

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  19. Hey Amazon, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just like w/ Microsoft, Apple, Google & others, it ain't gonna happen. Keep chasin' those unicorns...

  20. Orwell's Echo reverberates in the irony chamber. by geekmux · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Amazon confirms Americans are incredibly lazy and don't give a shit about privacy.

    Is this really a shock to anyone?

    This may be enshrined as one of the greatest events in the entire fucking history of irony, as sales of Orwell's 1984 and the Echo top Amazon sales charts.

  21. Conversely, usage drops after the first 90 days by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    The existence of a device does not mean the usage of a device.

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    1. Re:Conversely, usage drops after the first 90 days by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Yet you paid cash up front. They really don't care.

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    2. Re:Conversely, usage drops after the first 90 days by Gussington · · Score: 1

      Yet you paid cash up front. They really don't care.

      Well they do care, because continued use means continued opportunities for continuing revenue, which is better than a one off sale.
      I'm sure someone out likes likes this shit, but as a techy with techy friends I don't know anyone with one, or planning to get one. Voice assistance just seems so stupid because the error rate is too high to make it useful, and privacy issues are too risky.
      My anecdotal observations that I've never ever seen anyone ever use Siri/Google Voice etc in the wild (I spend a lot of time in public) makes me think this whole voice thing is a huge fad like 3D TV that will probably die soon.

  22. Hurry hurry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yes, I wish to install a microphone in my house so that Jeff Bezos can listen to everything I say.

  23. Re:Orwell's Echo reverberates in the irony chamber by dugancent · · Score: 0

    It's a shock that most people people on Slashdot are incredibly lazy and don't give a shit about privacy. A times, I really do think the user-base of this site is as bad, or maybe even less intelligent that the general popualtion.

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  24. What's the stupidest thing you can do with Alexa? by coofercat · · Score: 1

    I have a friend who has one, so when I go over to their house, what's the stupidest thing I can make it do? I'd love to think I could make it order £100 item on Amazon, but I believe they can pin-code protect that capability. So... what's the stupidest, most annoying thing I can get Alexa to do when I walk in?

  25. Re:What's the stupidest thing you can do with Alex by snookiex · · Score: 1

    Teach her to say profanities.

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  26. Re:What's the stupidest thing you can do with Alex by will_die · · Score: 1

    Ask it the mass of the sun in grams.

  27. Re:What's the stupidest thing you can do with Alex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    “Alexa, what’s my NPR Flash Briefing?”

  28. Funny you should mention it by number6x · · Score: 1

    When I bought the house there was still coal in the coal bin in the basement. Wood fired pellet stoves with hoppers will run quite a while between re-fills, but you still have to buy the pellets and re-fill them. The natural gas furnace does not require hauling wood or shoveling coal.

    BTW, we traded the coal in the basement for a used mahogany ballroom floor and 4 casement windows. The windows replaced our original basement windows. The flooring became a staircase to our second floor. There were no original stairs to the second floor in the house, you had to go to the outside back stairs to get up there.

    Your switches sound nice.

  29. What about this scenario? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a scenario of how I can see this happening: http://ir.newellbrands.com/investor-relations/press-releases/press-release-details/2017/First-Alert-Connects-Safety-and-Simplicity-at-2017-CES/default.aspx
    First, you have companies tie smoke detectors, fire alarms, burglar alarms, ect. into Alexa. Next, Insurance companies offer big discounts for those who have them installed. Everyone who can afford them, get them.
    We are inviting Big Brother in our house with open arms to save a buck...