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Al Gore Sells $29.5 Million In Apple Stock (appleinsider.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from AppleInsider: A U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission filing on Friday reveals Apple board member Al Gore this week sold 215,437 shares of Apple stock (APPL) worth about $29.5 million. Gore's stock sale, which was accomplished in multiple trades ranging from $136.4 to $137.12 on Wednesday, nearly matches a $29.6 million purchase of Apple shares made in 2013. When Gore bought the stock batch more than four years ago, he exercised Apple's director stock option to acquire 59,000 shares at a price of about $7.48 per share, costing him approximately $441,000. This was pre-split AAPL, so shares were valued at $502.68 each. Following today's sale, Gore owns 230,137 shares of Apple stock worth $31.5 million at the end of trading on Friday.

198 comments

  1. That's a lot . . . by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 4, Funny

    . . . of carbon credits!

    1. Re: That's a lot . . . by dougdonovan · · Score: 1

      ya gotta eat right al.

    2. Re:That's a lot . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      of walk around pocket money.

    3. Re:That's a lot . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      APPELL PETROLEUM??? (APPL) Does the original poster even understand the stock market?

  2. He should sell the remainder... by MatthiasF · · Score: 0

    If he's smart, since Apple's revenues have been losing momentum. The last quarter's numbers were pretty disappointing, after adjusting for the extra week.

    1. Re:He should sell the remainder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet for once Wall St disagrees. For once the apple Shorters didn't make a killing.
      The APPL price is higher than it was 3months ago. Why? Care to pass comment?
      Why do you think that the numbers were disappointing? They number of phones exceeded Wall St's questimates.
      I'm not directly an APPL stick holder but my Pension company probably is.

    2. Re:He should sell the remainder... by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      If he's smart, since Apple's revenues have been losing momentum. The last quarter's numbers were pretty disappointing, after adjusting for the extra week.

      Compared to what exactly?

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    3. Re:He should sell the remainder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Bank stock prices were pretty high in october 2007, but that didn't reflect reality. Perhaps you're a believer in rational market theory and similar religions?

    4. Re:He should sell the remainder... by v1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      regardless of whether or not this was the optimal time to sell, you can't buy groceries with stocks. Gotta cash out at some point. He's just decided he's ready to quit growing his money and start spending it.

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    5. Re:He should sell the remainder... by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      If he's smart, since Apple's revenues have been losing momentum. The last quarter's numbers were pretty disappointing, after adjusting for the extra week.

      Apple: Proudly going out of business for nearly a half century!

    6. Re:He should sell the remainder... by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 0

      regardless of whether or not this was the optimal time to sell, you can't buy groceries with stocks. Gotta cash out at some point. He's just decided he's ready to quit growing his money and start spending it.

      Exactly. Or maybe he has a personal project in mind he'd like to throw some money at.

    7. Re:He should sell the remainder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      God damnit it's AAPL not APPL!

    8. Re:He should sell the remainder... by MisterSquid · · Score: 1

      If he's smart, since Apple's revenues have been losing momentum. The last quarter's numbers were pretty disappointing, after adjusting for the extra week.

      Compared to what exactly?

      As compared to the same period in the previous year. (via)

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    9. Re: He should sell the remainder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple won't be going out of business soon. There are still many suckers willing to pay their high markups.

      Now, they're likely to get out of the computer business soon. They make a lot more money selling consumer gadgets.

    10. Re:He should sell the remainder... by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      If he's smart, since Apple's revenues have been losing momentum. The last quarter's numbers were pretty disappointing, after adjusting for the extra week.

      Compared to what exactly?

      As compared to the same period in the previous year. (via)

      Ahh, so not compared to the lame quarters of the competition.

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    11. Re: He should sell the remainder... by coastwalker · · Score: 1

      And therein lies precisely the problem, they make a lot of money out of cell phones and if you ask Apple or Motorola if that is the market to be in you will find the answer is no. So Apple have no new products and are about to go over the cliff. No wonder he sold his stocks.

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    12. Re: He should sell the remainder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The gadgets only work because of the development tools that allow developers to make compelling software for those gadgets. And those tools run on Apple's computers.

      Mac isn't going anywhere, any time soon. As long as the Mac business is anywhere close to break-even, Apple keeps it around due to the absurd profits generated by iOS. And Mac makes a profit.

    13. Re:He should sell the remainder... by lucm · · Score: 1

      God damnit it's AAPL not APPL!

      Chill out or you'll have to throw away another pair of underwear.

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    14. Re: He should sell the remainder... by lucm · · Score: 1

      The gadgets only work because of the development tools that allow developers to make compelling software for those gadgets. And those tools run on Apple's computers.

      Mac isn't going anywhere, any time soon. As long as the Mac business is anywhere close to break-even, Apple keeps it around due to the absurd profits generated by iOS. And Mac makes a profit.

      That's not how it works. The only reason a well-managed company keeps a break-even product line is if it helps another product line by allowing them some kind of economy of scale in deals with vendors. For instance, that's why Dell is still selling laptops and desktops: so they can get lower prices for their server components.

      The day Apple can no longer use their computer sales to get better prices for their iPhone components, they'll drop the line. That's obvious when you see how stale their hardware and software design has been on Macs for a long time now, they're just milking it.

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    15. Re:He should sell the remainder... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I heard he's a big fan of headphone sockets.

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    16. Re:He should sell the remainder... by Imrik · · Score: 1

      Generally you will sell off only a small portion of your stocks for income unless you either need the money for something large or think the stock will underperform.

    17. Re:He should sell the remainder... by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Given that he's on the board I take this as a sign that if you have a lot of Apple stock it might be time to start selling it off. People like Al get the word way ahead of everyone else.

    18. Re: He should sell the remainder... by thebullshitpatrol · · Score: 1

      So the entire industry is transitioning towards tablets and cell phones that can host a full desktop environment, and you're suggesting that they will just cash out and continue selling regular smartphones?

      Apple has patents that predate Windows 8 and Ubuntu Mobile (unity 8 as a concept too?) for a universal touchscreen + desktop UI, that would mark the unification of OSX and iOS. The only reason they aren't making a move is because they know iOS is their golden boy, and making the move now would be self-cannibalism. Steve Jobs apparently pushed for the iPad to be a small mac rather than a large iphone, which makes absolute sense.

      Someone needs to light a fire under their ass though, the most recent product cycle was mediocre. Hackintosh is the only option for anyone that actually wants an upgrade.

      You'll find me first in line to buy such a device. Phones and tablets just don't fucking do anything.

    19. Re:He should sell the remainder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      regardless of whether or not this was the optimal time to sell, you can't buy groceries with stocks. Gotta cash out at some point. He's just decided he's ready to quit growing his money and start spending it.

      MBP needs a lot of groceries to keep him going.

  3. Being on a board of directors is good work by Cytotoxic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's good work if you can get it. A couple of hours per quarter, and the company usually flies you in and puts you up in swanky digs and takes you out for expensive dinners.

    And for the effort he managed to pull in some $60+ million in bonus incentives. Nice.

    Although, given his history as a politician who complained of many things of "the rich", including CEOs making exorbitant salaries and bonuses..... Doesn't that make this..... I dunno, ironic seems inadequate.

    Still, if you are looking for someone to sit on your board, I'll be happy to do it at half that rate!

    1. Re:Being on a board of directors is good work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      given his history as a politician who complained of many things of "the rich", including CEOs making exorbitant salaries and bonuses

      They're called Limousine Liberals for a reason.

    2. Re:Being on a board of directors is good work by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Funny

      Still, if you are looking for someone to sit on your board, I'll be happy to do it at half that rate!

      And I will do it for half your rate.

      And I have 34 slashdot achievements, 5 more than the competitor's who is quoting double my price.

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    3. Re:Being on a board of directors is good work by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      That's good work if you can get it. A couple of hours per quarter, and the company usually flies you in and puts you up in swanky digs and takes you out for expensive dinners.

      And for the effort he managed to pull in some $60+ million in bonus incentives. Nice.

      Although, given his history as a politician who complained of many things of "the rich", including CEOs making exorbitant salaries and bonuses..... Doesn't that make this..... I dunno, ironic seems inadequate.

      Still, if you are looking for someone to sit on your board, I'll be happy to do it at half that rate!

      Exactly. Which of us reading these words would pass on the opportunity?

    4. Re:Being on a board of directors is good work by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd have to pass on the opportunity. There's no way I could sit on the board and quietly agree with the rest of them that Tim Cook is doing a great job. There are a number of problems that need addressing and I couldn't keep quiet about them, no matter how good the money was.

    5. Re:Being on a board of directors is good work by Cytotoxic · · Score: 1

      Didn't GM pay Ross Perot a couple of billion dollars to go away when he was on the board after they bought his company? Apparently there is "speaking your mind" and then there is "being $2 billion worth of annoying".

      Also, good work if you can get it.

    6. Re:Being on a board of directors is good work by Gavagai80 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Who could be better qualified to complain about the rich than one of them? If a poor person complains about the rich, they're just jealous.

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    7. Re:Being on a board of directors is good work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Your story is one of those nice nuggets of half-truth, so easy to copy and paste until it becomes true.
      Your conclusion is also garbage, as you're doing the damaging.

    8. Re: Being on a board of directors is good work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Watch the Al Gore and Hillary Clinton sex tape, especially 4:24 to 7:34, and then see if you still believe what you just wrote.

    9. Re:Being on a board of directors is good work by lucm · · Score: 0

      If you take 5 minutes to google it, you will find out that all of those claims are known to be true. But instead you're just saying "it's not true" and that by itself adds nothing to the thread.

      Al Gore is a fucking hypocrite and his movie was filled with lies and inflated numbers. For instance, he said there's more severe tornadoes now than in the past (which is the exact opposite of the truth), that polar bears are dying because ice is melting (both facts are wrong) or that the dollar amount of damage caused by tornadoes has vastly increased (also wrong, it went down almost 50% in the last half-century). Anyone who knows anything about global warming is aware of it. The guy is full of shit and caused immense damage to the credibility of his cause.

      From a scientific accuracy point of view, he's the equivalent of Ballmer saying that open-source is dangerous, and yet legions of morons follow him without thinking twice about it.

      You're pissed because America has elected a reality TV celebrity as President? Well the truth is that for a long time now it's only people who give a good show (at the expense of the truth) that get people's attention and Al Gore is no exception. He's just been less successful at it than Trump.

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    10. Re:Being on a board of directors is good work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Who could be better qualified to complain about the gay than one of them? If a heterosexual person complains about the gay, they're just jealous.

      Or, you know, it's not about them being per say gay/rich. It's about how the individuals that are gay/rich are causing harm to society*.

      PS - I don't think Al Gore has particularly spoken against shareholders being made richer but CEOs and the like. The former are merely capitalists experience a positive feedback loop. The latter is more a complaint about wage slaves (CEOs) being paid money that could be going to shareholders. The only real hypocrisy then is the "director stock option" which gave much better returns than would have otherwise been really good returns anyways. Of course, since that's the root of turning ~$440k into $29.6m originally...

      * I don't think gays are causing harm to society. Unlike the rich, they can't "buy" support in a fashion that drastically influence their actual representation in society. Which is to say, the reason poor people complain about the rich is that other--may not be other--poor people are so greedy they'll do anything the rich person wants, even if it ends up not giving them more money. Being gay or the greed of becoming gay obviously isn't that sort of corruption, which is precisely why a lot of homophobia seems based upon "thou does protest too much".

    11. Re:Being on a board of directors is good work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What you posted is not axiomatic, so it's pretty silly to ask *him* to google to validate *your* assertions in the fashion that you did. For the record, I'm not disagreeing, since with the exception of the A/C bit, I've heard about the rest through various outlets for me to consider it reliable. But what you just did is the same nonsense the Alex Jones/Infowars retards do. If it takes 5 minutes for him to google, it takes 6 minutes for you to quickly cite.

    12. Re:Being on a board of directors is good work by Imrik · · Score: 1

      You don't have to quietly agree with them, just make sure there's a clause that pays out when they get rid of you.

    13. Re:Being on a board of directors is good work by Imrik · · Score: 0

      So sayeth Al Gore and Donald Trump, paragons of virtue.

    14. Re:Being on a board of directors is good work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll be happy to do it at half that rate!

      Maybe. Can you bring in $100million in outside investment?

    15. Re:Being on a board of directors is good work by lucm · · Score: 1

      For the record, I'm not disagreeing, since with the exception of the A/C bit, I've heard about the rest through various outlets for me to consider it reliable.

      that A/C thing was even caught on video.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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    16. Re:Being on a board of directors is good work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Clinton/Gore administration was not a tear down the rich crowd. They were a "rising tides lift all boats" crowd. They were criticized for increasing income disparity. Also, If your stipulation were true about Gore's past political approach then there would be absolutely no discrepancy with his making money as a board member. Board members have an interest in keeping labor costs low and the CEO is labor, his salary a cost.

    17. Re: Being on a board of directors is good work by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Watch the Al Gore and Hillary Clinton sex tape

      I don't think they make enough eye wash for that.

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    18. Re:Being on a board of directors is good work by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      , given his history as a politician who complained of many things of "the rich", including CEOs making exorbitant salaries and bonuses..... Doesn't that make this..... I dunno, ironic seems inadequate.

      I don't get how it's hypocritical to favor economic policies that you consider moral/for-the-greater-good, even if they hurt you. Hell, the average libertarian would do worse in a libertarian state (why does it seem like libertarians I know are always the ones on unemployment?)

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    19. Re: Being on a board of directors is good work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Hillary Gets Gored" part 1

  4. Unjust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Director stock options are another unjust method of the one percent to take from everyone else while adding no value.

    1. Re:Unjust by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 0, Troll

      Director stock options are another unjust method of the one percent to take from everyone else while adding no value.

      I would like to ask what is "unjust" about a private corporation's private compensation plans for its private employees?

    2. Re:Unjust by darthsilun · · Score: 4, Informative

      Board Members are not employees.

    3. Re:Unjust by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In some cases it amounts to the appointed caretakers robbing the owners (shareholders). Sometimes the major shareholders are pension funds and large institutional investors and the like, being run by the same type of guys who do not mind awarding their pals such sums; it comes out of their clients' pockets so who cares. Sometimes they even sit on each other's Renumeration Boards (committees tasked with setting "fair" wages for C-levels and non-executive officers). I;ve seen one of those in action and it really amounted to one hand washing the other, to the point where even institutional investors put "overly generous exec renumeration" in their analysis of the company.

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    4. Re:Unjust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not universally true. Frequently untrue. I'll rate this a made up lie.

    5. Re: Unjust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, how dare the shareholders vote on and approve spending the corporation's capital however the fuck they please. After all, it's only a private institution making private decisions on how to spend private resources!

      TL;DR: Go fuck yourself. You get absolutely no fucking say in how they spend their resources unless you are a shareholder, in which case, vote your proxy.

    6. Re:Unjust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not a private corporation, it's a publicly traded company. I would ask how much of your 401k money has been pocketed by Members of the Board like Mr. Gore, but you probably have a Trust Fund and haven't worked a day in your life.

    7. Re: Unjust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TL;DR: Go fuck yourself.

      Classy. Thanks. Can't argue with reasoning like that.

      Since Apple is one of the most widely held stocks in 401(k) portfolios, ) , where does this voting you're talking about take place exactly?

      You vote for a proxy to vote for a proxy that votes for a proxy from a list of Mr. Member of the Board's College drinking buddies and are all also members of other boards.

      Call it scratch my back, I'll scratch yours, or call it a reach around. Whatever the case, the 99% get fucked.

      I'd be interested to hear what any of the actual Apple share holders have to say about the value added by the likes of Albert Gore.

      TL;DR I don't have to, Members of the Board "beat me to it" so to speak.

    8. Re:Unjust by lucm · · Score: 1

      It only takes $500,000/year per household to be a one-percenter; this means that a couple of Silicon Valley engineers or Boston lawyers are in that bucket, and those are not people who typically have a seat on Fortune 500 boards or spend their weekends snorting coke lines on the bare ass of teenage prostitutes while shopping for Faberge eggs on eBay.

      Maybe it's time for a more granular classification of the rich.

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    9. Re:Unjust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have a very good point. We should be talking about 0.1%, not the 1% and the 99.9% of everyone else.
      from: https://www.forbes.com/sites/moneywisewomen/2012/03/21/average-america-vs-the-one-percent/#495f4aab2395

      The 1 percent are executives, doctors, lawyers and politicians, among other things. Within this group of people is an even smaller and wealthier subset of people, 1 percent of the top, or .01 percent of the entire nation. Those people have incomes of over $27 million, or roughly 540 times the national average income. Altogether, the top 1 percent control 43 percent of the wealth in the nation; the next 4 percent control an additional 29 percent.

    10. Re:Unjust by Enigma2175 · · Score: 1

      Yes, if you are looking at the 1% by income. However, the biggest issue isn't income inequality, it's wealth inequality. To be in the top 1% in wealth you need around $8 million in assets. Very few Silicon Valley engineers or Boston lawyers have that kind of kitty.

      The issue with wealth inequality is that money makes even more money and so the bulk of money made tends to flow to the people who already have the money and so they end up with more and more of it while there are fewer and fewer dollars available to labor. This has been a bug in capitalism from the start but so far we have largely worked around it with progressive income taxes and inheritance taxes. However, as automation and AI make labor less relevant to production, more production ends up going to capital and less to labor. When it gets to the point that automation completely obviates the need for human labor, those that have capital and up to now have been accruing most of the gains will now own everything and those that only provide labor to the economic system will have nothing and have no means of making any money. Unless something fundamentally changes about the economic systems in the west this is going to be the endgame for most countries, a small number of people will own all the means of production and have all the power.

      People like to think when it comes to this point the poor and disenfranchised will just rise up and do away with the rich like in the French revolution, but in an automated society this might not be possible. In the past, the armies that protect the rich were hard to manage because during a revolution they are more likely to identify with the poor people and the army might quickly turn on their paymasters. If production is fully automated you better believe the people who own it all will have vast killbot armies to protect their investment. It's one thing for the mob to go against an army that they might sway to their side, it's another to fight against a horde of machines. If any uprising were attempted a lot of people from the mob would die but nobody from the rich would die, just their robots - whose replacements are continually rolling off the assembly line.

      We're approaching a tipping point past which the ultra-rich will control enough capital and have enough influence on the government that this scenario is almost guaranteed. We might already be past this point, the top 1% already have 40% of the wealth in the US and have tremendous influence over the government.

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    11. Re:Unjust by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      "Renumeration Boards" ... chuckle.

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    12. Re:Unjust by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      In matters of exchange, justice is paying for what you get and getting what you pay for. Al Gore has beyond any possible doubt not provided any technical, organizational, business, or marketing expertise of any value to Apple. If legitimate guidance is what Gore is being paid for as a board member, it's not just.

      So what is Gore's value as an Apple board member? Gore is politically connected, and his presence on the Apple board is a threat to Apple's competitors, an implicit promise that competitors of Apple can expect trouble from the government.

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    13. Re:Unjust by lucm · · Score: 1

      The problem is not capitalism. The problem if the Federal Reserve giving money for free to big banks so those banks have no incentives to pay interests to people who want to have savings. The direct consequence is that investment banks are rewarded for taking risks, and institutional investors such as pension funds make riskier and riskier bets to merely beat the inflation and meet their annual benchmarks; they also pressure CEOs to focus on short-term profit, driving away the incentive for innovation and proper business strategy. Meanwhile, small investors are getting poorer and poorer, leaving less and less money to the next generation.

      Look at what is happening in Japan: the demand for home safes is skyrocketing, as negative interest rates mean that people must pay to put money in the bank. How can normal people expect to build wealth over time if they can't have savings.

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    14. Re:Unjust by darthsilun · · Score: 1

      True, I should have written usually not employees. Al Gore is not an Apple employee.

    15. Re:Unjust by darthsilun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      s/Al Gore is not.../I think it's safe to say Al Gore is not.../

      And as an Apple shareholder – indirectly through mutual funds in my 401k – I do object to sweetheart deals for selected individuals that rob me and other shareholders of the profits from our investments in the companies that do this..

    16. Re: Unjust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Private"

      That word doesn't mean what you think if means.

    17. Re: Unjust by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The problem is that shareholders can't exercise effective control. Mutual funds, for example, will almost certainly vote their holdings as the board recommends. The result is that the boards are largely independent entities exercising control. If shareholder votes actually mattered for things like compensation, I'd feel a lot happier about it.

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    18. Re:Unjust by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Board Members are not employees.

      Well, I must admit I mulled that over when I was writing that line, but just decided that they might actually be considered employees for purposes of taxing, etc.

    19. Re:Unjust by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      It's "remuneration", not "renumeration".

      I know. Dyslexia sucks.

    20. Re:Unjust by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Al Gore has beyond any possible doubt not provided any technical, organizational, business, or marketing expertise of any value to Apple.

      And you know that how, exactly?

      I'm not AlGore fan; but as far as he is out from politics these days, there must be another reason he's still on the board.

    21. Re: Unjust by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      TL;DR: Go fuck yourself.

      Classy. Thanks. Can't argue with reasoning like that.

      Since Apple is one of the most widely held stocks in 401(k) portfolios, ) , where does this voting you're talking about take place exactly?

      Today, 28th of February, 9:00 AM PST, at 1 Infinite Loop in Cupertino, Town Hall (Building 4). The meeting, which is open to all shareholders of record on a first-come basis. Why do you ask?

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  5. Stupid question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    How do your politicians, both left and right, so filthy rich? Is there even a single poor or middle class politician in the US?

    Just wondering, since the rest of the story is not surprising. Of course, it's a good time to sell Apple stock now.

    1. Re: Stupid question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not after a couple years in office. It costs quite a bit to buy a politicians utter devotion to screwing over the people who voted for them.

    2. Re:Stupid question by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      There are no poor politicians. The ones with less money than the millionaires are just getting started in their careers. Give them time and they'll be rich, too.

    3. Re:Stupid question by jandrese · · Score: 1

      While it's true that most politicians are millionaires, not all of them are.

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    4. Re:Stupid question by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      There are middle class politicans, like Bernie Sanders:.. and some politicians are in considerable debt, though it's fair to say you have to be rich to be in extreme debt: http://www.politifact.com/trut...

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    5. Re:Stupid question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While it's true that most politicians are millionaires, not all of them are.

      Correct! Many are actually Billionaires!

    6. Re:Stupid question by Imrik · · Score: 1

      I find the list suspicious as the "poorest" member of the senate has an estimated net worth of -$720k. The fact that he is able to borrow that much money makes me think that he is not actually that poor, which casts doubt on the rest of the list. My best guess is that the list is including mortgages without including the value of the property.

    7. Re:Stupid question by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Getting rich in elective office requires that your office have enough power to sway laws in economically effective ways. That limits them to President, US Senators, US Representatives, many governors, some state senators and state representatives (or equivalent offices) and mayors of cities in proportion to their size. By influencing laws and the enforcement of regulations they either gain through scams like Gore's carbon credits or bribery. They are also open to bribes in making appointments.

      Bribes can take the direct form of money, sex, property, or other gifts, or the indirect form of promises of do-nothing jobs after they leave office, or offering do-nothing jobs to family members (like Chelsea Clinton at NBC or Michelle Obama at a hospital in Illinois).

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    8. Re: Stupid question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not true. They didn't need to sway laws to get filthy rich, they're already privy to inside information, such as subsidies, government contracts, and other insider information before public knowledge.

      My understanding is that Obama passed a law to prevent trading on such inside information, which I highly applaud.

    9. Re:Stupid question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do your politicians, both left and right, so filthy rich?

      The top level of US politics is effectively a corruption distillery--you input a somewhat narrow group of citizenry but that aren't widely morally bankrupt at the start and then via a system of graft, lies, favors and political patronage you find that the worst personalities are able to rise to the top via deception, misdirection and the pummeling of normal candidates until they end up leaving the arena (voluntarily or otherwise).

      The best politicians are able to speak to both sides of the crowd while taking few direct public actions themselves that aren't 100% safe--they can have their cherry picked quotes while remaining untouched in terms of actions, meanwhile they all play with and against each other in an attempt to rise.

      The root of the problem is apathy and a lack of empathy in the general citizenry. If your group is too specific or too vocal it ends up being distorted and generally used for a magnification of the original goals which may do more damage than good (MADD was a good example). If you're an individual what can you change? Most people don't have the resources to put up sustained fights against politicians--after all their jobs are to pontificate about these things, chances are you good you only do it part time and that time means you're not with family, or hobbies, or your own job. So when you see things going wrong for someone who isn't you, you simply don't care enough to act, and when something is going wrong for you you are powerless to make it change.

    10. Re:Stupid question by jandrese · · Score: 1

      The article goes into some discussion about the limitations of the methodology involved, but a huge negative net worth isn't impossible. You could easily have a guy who used to have some money but then made some catastrophic bets on the stock or housing market and is now seriously under water. Or a family member may have gotten really sick and now he has typical medical debts to deal with.

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  6. I encourage everyone to sell their Apple stock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    dump, dump DUMP.

    1. Re: I encourage everyone to sell their Apple stock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what the hated liberal is doing. Real Americans must Buy, buy, buy!

  7. What does Apple get? by rmdingler · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Since this is in no way a rare instance of a powerful man cashing in public clout for some private wealth, ask yourself what the corporations get in return.

    A few hundred million in under priced stock options and bonus money for what? You may or may not like Apple, but they're not a stupid company. The value of a few meetings, a couple of favorable trade exceptions, and some lucrative government contract work probably more than covers this expense.

    The really civilized thing is, we do almost all of our bribery above board these days.

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    1. Re:What does Apple get? by tomhath · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The really civilized thing is, we do almost all of our bribery above board these days.

      Sometimes the money isn't a good investment. The Clinton Foundation went from collecting millions in donations from foreign nationals to layoffs in just a few weeks last fall.

    2. Re:What does Apple get? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no evidence of that.

    3. Re:What does Apple get? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ding ding ding! Correct answer!

    4. Re:What does Apple get? by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Those foundations are just legal money laundering establishments. There never was any money in the foundation nor did it spend it on charity. The layoffs happen in response to a political need to save face but I you can be assured by the time Chelsey runs for office it will be twice the size to handle the "donations".

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    5. Re:What does Apple get? by pipingguy · · Score: 1

      Some might say that's an unpresidented result.

  8. So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What does any of this prove or demonstrate? What's it supposed to be telling me? What do I gain by it?

  9. Quant bots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So that makes... algorithmic trading?

  10. Sold at 1/5th original value? ummm... by fygment · · Score: 1

    So when he acquired them they were worth ~ $500 ... and sold for ~$136. Must have read that wrong, yeah?

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    1. Re: Sold at 1/5th original value? ummm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Appl stock had split

    2. Re:Sold at 1/5th original value? ummm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You missed that it said pre-split. In 2014 Apple stock had a 7:1 split so $502.68 was equivalent to buying at $71.81. What blow my mind is they let him buy director options for $7.48/share when they were worth $71.81. Must be nice being able to spend $441,000 to buy stock worth $4.2 million.

    3. Re:Sold at 1/5th original value? ummm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You missed the part where it said pre-split. Apple stock had a 7:1 split in 2014 so he bought the shares at about $71.81.

    4. Re:Sold at 1/5th original value? ummm... by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 3, Funny

      So when he acquired them they were worth ~ $500 ... and sold for ~$136. Must have read that wrong, yeah?

      Pst. I'll let you in on a secret Wallstreet doesn't want you to know about: It's called a 7:1 stock split.

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    5. Re: Sold at 1/5th original value? ummm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was a 7-to-1 split in between then and now.

      So yeah, he sold 7x the shares at 1/5 the price that he didn't pay to begin with if you read TFS. I'd hate to have that problem.

      Seriously. Both the split and the option strike price are right fucking there.

    6. Re:Sold at 1/5th original value? ummm... by Megane · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I wonder how that happened...

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  11. And? by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's in there for us, mere mortals? The guy got lucky and earned 6800% on his investment, great. Now where are the stories of people losing money by investing in a bad stock?

    Also, where would most people get $400K to invest in stock options when they have no spare money at all or even owe lots of money until they hit their late 50s?

    Or is it a story about a super successful company which is known to have a cult status, which allows it to sell the same product year after year with minimal changes, yet earn billions? I don't understand.

    1. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't "invest" in options. You are given options by a corporation and then you exercise them. In Gores case he was paid in options for being on the board. Because you know Apple needs him on the board because he invented the internet.

    2. Re:And? by damacus · · Score: 1

      Technically, you don't *need* $400K to exercise the stock options. You can do an immediate exercise -> sell and just take the profits of the difference between the strike price and current price of the instrument. However, doing that means instant capital gains tax hit, and also if you think the stock will continue to do alright and/or you want to collect dividends, you've lost the opportunity to hold the stock - which *would* require the $400K outlay.

    3. Re:And? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 0

      What's in there for us, mere mortals? The guy got lucky and earned 6800% on his investment, great. Now where are the stories of people losing money by investing in a bad stock?

      Also, where would most people get $400K to invest in stock options when they have no spare money at all or even owe lots of money until they hit their late 50s?

      Or is it a story about a super successful company which is known to have a cult status, which allows it to sell the same product year after year with minimal changes, yet earn billions? I don't understand.

      WTF are you mewling about, Hater?

      We were here having a nice, adult conversation, and you have to cone here and act like an impetuous asshole,

      Go away.

    4. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a good example of why we need a graduated income tax scale, which Trump and many Republicans keep trying to get rid of on the grounds that it "punishes the innovators".

      People need to pay attention to policy and get past the us-against-them talk that pols make to rally their respective bases. That's just for show. Legislation and executive orders are for the dough.

    5. Re:And? by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      Technically, you don't *need* $400K to exercise the stock options.

      What you usually do is you exercise your options, but you sell the exact amount that you need so that the sale covers the exercise cost and capital gains tax. You won't have to pay capital gains tax for the shares that you exercised but didn't sell.

    6. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's in there for us, mere mortals?

      Jesus, he killed Manbearpig AND invented the internet. Be happy with what you've been given for a change, maybe?

    7. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's very simple; there are a lot of people who hate Gore for using his political clout to push environmental issues. Those same people equate being environmentally conscious with wasting money and making bad decisions. A story about Gore making a large profit on the sale of stocks reinforces their belief that he must be a hypocrite.

    8. Re:And? by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

      Someone who makes $26k a year starting out (with 3% cost of living raises) can retire with well over $1,000,000 if they do it properly.

      Source: http://wisdomsreward.com/2014/...

      tl;dr: Invest a little of each paycheck in a low expense ration total stock market index fund. Compounding interest over decades with get you back much more than you would expect.

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    9. Re:And? by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

      That's Low Expense Ratio, not Ration.

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    10. Re:And? by radl33t · · Score: 1

      you can of course "invest" in options by buying them on the open market...

    11. Re:And? by damacus · · Score: 1

      Thanks for this response. I'm familiar with exchange-traded options but not employer-granted options. And, as I never exercise options, I hadn't fully considered strategies involving exercising them. Appreciate it.

    12. Re: And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have no idea how stock options work.

      You are granted an option to buy X shares at price Y. Price Y is not linked to the actual market price in any way. If you have the money when your options are "vested" then you can exercise those options and you get the stock at a discount.

      If you don't have the money, you have the choice of exercising those options through a brokerage that loans you the money for the small amount of time it takes to buy the options, and sell them at the market price, which the brokerage will then take their loan repayment out of the proceeds.

      This happens all the time with every publicly traded company that gives their employees options as part of their compensation. And, shockingly, corporations tend to give their directors that sit on the board (usually already holding large chunks of the company stock) options as compensation for their "services."

    13. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You had the chance to buy AAPL stock on the open market. You could have bought at the same time and realized 127x return, not even including dividends.

      Al Gore Jr joined Apple Board of Directors on March 19, 2003.
      https://www.apple.com/pr/library/2003/03/19Former-Vice-President-Al-Gore-Joins-Apples-Board-of-Directors.html

      The closing price of AAPL (split adjusted) on March 19, 2003, was $1.07
      https://www.google.com/finance/historical?cid=22144&startdate=Mar+1+2003&enddate=mar+31%2C+2003

      The closing price of AAPL (split adjusted) on February 25, 2017, was $136.66
      https://www.google.com/finance/historical?cid=22144&startdate=Feb+27%2C+2016&enddate=Feb+20%2C+2017

    14. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you can afford to, saving is great. If you can hold onto a full-time job (at about double federal minimum wage(!)), maintain health insurance, never get very sick, and never plan to marry or have a family, that kind of financial planning can help you have a comfortable retirement on a lower-middle class salary. In practice, poor people regularly have large expenses that wipe out their savings. And the never have a family part is deal-breaker for many people.

      I actually wasn't going to reply to this, but then I came across this Tumblr post which states this much better than I could. Please read it if you think the parent is making sense.

    15. Re:And? by Imrik · · Score: 1

      Well, he exercised his option to buy, then held on to them for a few years as an investment.

    16. Re:And? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      If you're married, that's two incomes for slightly increased expenses if you can refrain from knocking up your wife for a few years.

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  12. Poor Guy. Guess He Needs the Money... by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1, Troll

    The Global Warming Carbon Credit Kickback Scam is not progressing as he thought it would...

    1. Re:Poor Guy. Guess He Needs the Money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are joking right? He has made millions of it.

    2. Re:Poor Guy. Guess He Needs the Money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Global Warming Carbon Credit Kickback Scam is not progressing as he thought it would...

      Call it what you will, but it's a compromise because no one wants to do anything about global warming if it comes out of their own pockets.

      But one way or another, we will pay for it. And as time goes on while very little is done, the costs will be grow and become ever more expensive.

      Even with the Free Markets making changes (green energy, EVs, etc...) there will be pain for the average folks as the climate gets worse. It's already happening.

      In other words, any criticisms or "skepticism" by folks who are completely unqualified to be skeptics; resistance; pointing of fingers are developing countries who mistakenly insist that they have to use fossil fuels to develop; and other distraction nonsense in this issue is completely and utterly irrelevant.

      You and your opinion are irrelevant.

      Things are happening and it's just a question of where one wants to be when the shit hits the fan.

    3. Re:Poor Guy. Guess He Needs the Money... by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sure, but when you are racking up $30K utility bills at your Tennessee estate you can blow through your millions pretty quickly...

    4. Re: Poor Guy. Guess He Needs the Money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ask Trump about his beach property. He knows very well that water levels are rising. That "hoax" is going to be flooding his house soon.

    5. Re: Poor Guy. Guess He Needs the Money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You just mailed the problem with American science education on the head. Most Republicans never made it to 5th grade, apparently.

    6. Re: Poor Guy. Guess He Needs the Money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      of course it's hoax. Hope to see more flood news from California, add some corpses please. Need those juice Katrina pics from New Orleans too. Add some pics of dying men shoveling snow in New York during april.
      Whatever just keep flooding and tornados in America. #MAGA

    7. Re: Poor Guy. Guess He Needs the Money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are those the same fifth graders who write Trumps' speeches?

    8. Re: Poor Guy. Guess He Needs the Money... by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      ISIS is taking your jobs!!!

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    9. Re: Poor Guy. Guess He Needs the Money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's only one fifth grader writing Drumpf's speeches.

    10. Re:Poor Guy. Guess He Needs the Money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It also requires a 5" main to his house, which is why 80% of
      rural Tennessee does not enjoy natural gas to their homes.

      CAP === 'confers'

    11. Re:Poor Guy. Guess He Needs the Money... by knightghost · · Score: 1

      we will pay for it

      How much and what are the options? Measure it.
      One example of little cost but a lot of benefit is the Fed raising flood insurance rates 5% + inflation every year until they are out of the business.
      Another is to quit bailing out states for storms. I was in NJ when Sandy hit and 99% of the damage was self induced - they refused to cut trees away from power lines. Guess what happened? Thousands of down lines and power out for weeks. Something they've finally been intelligent enough to restart is putting barriers between ocean and houses.

    12. Re:Poor Guy. Guess He Needs the Money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Opinions are irrelevant but your crystal ball predictions of the future, now they matter.
      Never mind that we have decades of empirical data that debunk your predictions. Never mind that.
      It was an unforeseen pause, not an inaccurate model. Right? You are predicting that your predictions will do a better job of predicting than you predicted?
      Meteorological predictions become more accurate the further out, or less?
      Your belief system from your Prophets are relevant enough to destroying the economy, eliminate jobs, destroy people's lives, and turn middle class citizens into government dependent peasants. Got it.
      It's a price you are will to pay. A price that of course, you predict will be someone else's suffering, and not your own.
      No other predictions of the future that some people were certain of have ever failed to materialise. Right?
      The Doctrine of Infallibility applies to you and the Pope. Got it.

    13. Re:Poor Guy. Guess He Needs the Money... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Meteorological predictions become more accurate the further out, or less?

      What's meteorology got to do with climate?

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    14. Re:Poor Guy. Guess He Needs the Money... by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      I'm certainly not going to pay for this alleged global warming. Every Fahrenheit degree warmer saves me about $30 per year in heating bills.

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    15. Re: Poor Guy. Guess He Needs the Money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except it's only hotter in summer so your AC bill goes up more than $30.

    16. Re:Poor Guy. Guess He Needs the Money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, that's over 8 cents a day!

      I hope that doesn't get washed away in fluctuating gas prices or library fines or something.

    17. Re: Poor Guy. Guess He Needs the Money... by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      what do you mean qualified. any 5th grade science student can tell you global warming is a hoax

      I'm rather more interested in the opinion of actual adult scientists.

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    18. Re: Poor Guy. Guess He Needs the Money... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Personally, I would rather that they not put their opinions in their work, that isn't how science works.

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  13. Al Gore, the snake oil salesman? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Al Gore is the modern day snake oil salesman. He has perpetuated a brilliant scheme to con everyone into his doomsday predictions and he is the savior to save us all. I guess maybe he finally saw the writing on the wall with Apple. Its another company in demise and has peaked out for the most part. Take the money and run Al to fund another fake dooms day prediction. Is it not enough that you yourself are a big carbon consumer? How about practicing what you preach Al?

  14. Pres run by mattdunelm · · Score: 1

    And now he's got the funding for Gore 2020. Yay!

    1. Re:Pres run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And now he's got the funding for Gore 2020. Yay!

      2024

      FTFY, Its going to take all 8 years (or more) to undo ISIL.

    2. Re:Pres run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, he'll need it for his legal team. I expect his defense will be very expensive.
      The Great Witch Hunt is about to start, and I'm looking forward to watching it, since Witch Hunts are a great way of getting rid of Witches.

    3. Re:Pres run by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Al Gore will be 76 in 8 years. That's pushing it, even compared to Reagan and Trump at age 70 upon taking office.

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  15. Gotta pay for those private jets some how. by Edweirdo · · Score: 1

    I'm sure it is all to help save the polar bears.

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  16. News for Nerds ? by Crashmarik · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This isn't even front page material for Yahoo Finance.

    1. Re:News for Nerds ? by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's a clumsy and back-handed attempt to gin up an Alarmist vs. Denier thread, which is the only reliable source for pageviews slashdot has these days. C'mon, play along...!

    2. Re:News for Nerds ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      EMACS!

  17. Re:What does Apple get? - Stability, sanity, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What Apple gets is simple. Stability, sanity and some level of honesty in the face of huge temptation and fear.

    You only have to look at Nokia to see what can happen if the wrong people get onto the board of a company. Somehow or other, the Nokia board managed to convince its self that a company which had managed to survive multiple revolutions in mobile communications was best led by a man who had failed repeatedly to build mobile success at Microsoft. The results are well known (image from this article).

    Why the did this I have no idea. Panic? Bribes? Stupidity? There has been no clear criminal investigation when there should have been but it seems they were just taken in by fear and a smooth talking failure in Elop. Still, the point is that now Apple may be in a similar situation. They have various long term technologies which won't pay off immediately. Nokia was doing Meego, it's own independent touch screen OS; Apple is doing it's own smart phone chips. They will now be under pressure from Chinese rivals and will go both down as well as up. If you keep working on these technologies you will survive and profit but you are very likely to suffer some relative decline even so. If your board panics and changes everything to try to force growth in a market where there is no more space, you may lose everything that you already have.

    No idea if Gore is the right guy, however I know how much could be lost if he's the wrong one. Apple's profits, around $40Billion yearly, are more than ten times Nokia's. Imagine those disappeared in two years because Apple became involved in someone like Microsoft and brought in someone like Elop.

  18. Funny how conservatives hate success by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    I read through some of the comments on this story, and I couldn't help but notice there were quite a few that related Gore's politics and finance. None gave him any credit at all for financial acumen.

    Yet not only did Gore make a lot of money by accepting (at the time cheap) stock for sitting on Apple's board, he made 'way more when he and another guy started up Current TV. Gore built it up and wound up selling it for major bucks.

    So basically, Gore showed real financial chops. But because he's an unapologetic liberal and environmentalist, there's all kinds of sniping about private jets and save the whales by the same people who venerate Donald Trump. Yet Trump's main claim to fame is the number of times he's declared bankruptcy in ways allowing him to screw contractors over without losing any of his own money.

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    1. Re:Funny how conservatives hate success by ooloorie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I read through some of the comments on this story, and I couldn't help but notice there were quite a few that related Gore's politics and finance. None gave him any credit at all for financial acumen.

      Financial acumen? Gore got rich the same way Clinton did: by translating his political power, political advocacy, and connections into money.

      If you get rich legally before you enter politics, that shows that you can succeed by producing stuff people want. If you get rich after you leave high government office, it strongly suggests that you are a corrupt fraud. Gore clearly did the latter.

    2. Re:Funny how conservatives hate success by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      You're assuming that said person wasn't born into the connections like Trump was. Or Gore for that matter, his father was in politics too.

    3. Re:Funny how conservatives hate success by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thanks for saying this

      and before the anti trump bitches bitch about bankruptcy
      so what, it was law, and bankruptcy is part of business.

    4. Re:Funny how conservatives hate success by hyades1 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Wrong. Gore made all the right moves, especially with Current, and conservatives hate him for walking the walk. Meanwhile Trump, their anointed god, made a fortune by ripping off hard-working small businessmen in a series of planned bankruptcies made possible through laws enacted by crooked politicians bought and paid for by people like Trump.

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    5. Re:Funny how conservatives hate success by Notabadguy · · Score: 1

      I read through some of the comments on this story, and I couldn't help but notice there were quite a few that related Gore's politics and finance. None gave him any credit at all for financial acumen.

      Yet not only did Gore make a lot of money by accepting (at the time cheap) stock for sitting on Apple's board, he made 'way more when he and another guy started up Current TV. Gore built it up and wound up selling it for major bucks.

      So basically, Gore showed real financial chops. But because he's an unapologetic hypocrite, there's all kinds of sniping about private jets and save the whales by the same people who venerate Donald Trump. Yet Trump's main claim to fame is the number of times he's declared bankruptcy in ways allowing him to screw contractors over without losing any of his own money.

      Fixed that for you.

    6. Re:Funny how conservatives hate success by Notabadguy · · Score: 1

      I should add that FWIW, my stance on environmentalism is such that I wish (for example) that police would fingerprint or DNA litter, then fine the owners. Or that if I saw someone throwing a cigarette butt out of their window, it was legal for me to get out of my car, retrieve their cigarette butt, and put it out in their eyeballs.

      That doesn't make me see Al Gore as any less of a douche than he is.

      If everyone would stop speculating what they think OTHER people with opposing views would think as a means to build a strawman argument about how smart they are and how stupid people with opposing political views are....this conversation wouldn't be so hard to read.

    7. Re:Funny how conservatives hate success by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What makes you think the majority of litter is assholes throwing shit out their window? Most of the litter I've seen on my 50 mile commute has been waste management vehicles with improperly secured gates or tops, or just degraded tops to the point where there are huge holes. These vehicles leave miles-long "comet tails" of debris in their wake that are very annoying to drive through and hazardous to paint and windshields.

      Not to mention the possibility of high winds at the landfill before a particular segment gets covered again.

      My stance on environmentalism is that I would like its advocates to live by their advice. For instance, if they advocate that I should eschew plane travel to reduce carbon footprint, they should not do it from conferences that they reached by traveling by plane, especially not by private jet. Otherwise, my suspicion is that they want me to suffer to preserve their playground.

    8. Re:Funny how conservatives hate success by Notabadguy · · Score: 1

      What makes you think the majority of litter is assholes throwing shit out their window? Most of the litter I've seen on my 50 mile commute has been waste management vehicles with improperly secured gates or tops, or just degraded tops to the point where there are huge holes. These vehicles leave miles-long "comet tails" of debris in their wake that are very annoying to drive through and hazardous to paint and windshields.

      Not to mention the possibility of high winds at the landfill before a particular segment gets covered again.

      My stance on environmentalism is that I would like its advocates to live by their advice. For instance, if they advocate that I should eschew plane travel to reduce carbon footprint, they should not do it from conferences that they reached by traveling by plane, especially not by private jet. Otherwise, my suspicion is that they want me to suffer to preserve their playground.

      Fine fine. You can have the point on the "majority" of litter, as long as I can still pick up the smoldering butts that people throw out their window and extinguish them in their eyeballs.

    9. Re:Funny how conservatives hate success by Imrik · · Score: 1

      Gore just cut out the middleman and passed the laws himself.

    10. Re:Funny how conservatives hate success by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Or inherited a hell of a good chunk.

      I don't have any real issues with someone getting rich after they leave govt office, as you stated. As someone else mentioned once, it just means they're smart, right?

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    11. Re:Funny how conservatives hate success by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      I don't have any real issues with someone getting rich after they leave govt office, as you stated. As someone else mentioned once, it just means they're smart, right?

      Al Capone was smart. Joseph Stalin was smart. Hitler and Goebbels were smart. Getting money and power through being smart is not intrinsically a good thing.

      Getting money and power through voluntary exchanges is a good thing; often the people who do that happen to be smart, but it is neither necessary nor sufficient.

    12. Re:Funny how conservatives hate success by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Wrong. Gore made all the right moves, especially with Current, and conservatives hate him for walking the walk.

      Current TV was a commercial failure. Gore bet on his government connections, his name recognition, and a big influx of money from foreign dictators.

      made possible through laws enacted by crooked politicians

      Yes, indeed. Crooked politicians like Gore for example.

    13. Re:Funny how conservatives hate success by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      Wrong again. Current made a lot of money, and Gore sold it at a huge profit.

      Conservatives really do hate people who succeed without cheating! I guess it makes them feel like they can't keep up when the playing field is level.

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    14. Re:Funny how conservatives hate success by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Wrong again. Current made a lot of money, and Gore sold it at a huge profit.

      Current TV was a financial failure, and Gore made his money by selling it to a Qatari prince. His Apple stock, incidentally, came from him being put on their boards of directors, also because of his name recognition.

      Conservatives really do hate people who succeed without cheating! I guess it makes them feel like they can't keep up when the playing field is level.

      Al Gore was born with a silver spoon in his mouth; he made his fame and fortune as a politician; and afterwards, he translated his political power into financial success.

      Your idea that this is "succeeding without cheating" just shows how morally bankrupt, economically ignorant, and hypocritical you are.

    15. Re:Funny how conservatives hate success by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Yes, but people still use the "he must be clever/good because he's rich" argument about Trump. As you say, it proves nothing. Someone who is rich has money, there is nothing more to it than that.

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    16. Re:Funny how conservatives hate success by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Yes, but people still use the "he must be clever/good because he's rich" argument about Trump. As you say, it proves nothing.

      I said no such thing. What I said was: "Getting money and power through voluntary exchanges is a good thing"

      That is, Trump got rich in the market (good), while Gore and Clinton got rich through being politicians (bad).

  19. Very nice rules the right has set up. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 0
    if (you make money){

    if (you agree with the far right {

    you are the smartest latest and greatest person;

    Everyone must worship you.

    } else {

    you are a limousine liberal and a complete hypocrite

    }

    }else{

    if (you agree with far right){

    you are to be admired for believing in American dream etc etc

    } else {

    you must be dumb, because you didn't make money.

    Probably consumed by envy and fomenting class warfare

    You Enemy number 1 of America.

    }

    }

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    1. Re:Very nice rules the right has set up. by quenda · · Score: 1

      Next time click "options" and try the the "code" comment mode, so it does not eat your whitespace indents.

      <quote><tt>

      if (you make money){</tt><p><tt>
          if (you agree with the far right {</tt></p><p><tt>
             you are the smartest latest and greatest person;</tt></p><p><tt>
             Everyone must worship you.</tt></p><p><tt>
         } else {</tt></p><p><tt>
            you are a limousine  liberal and a complete hypocrite</tt></p><p><tt>
        }</tt></p><p><tt>
      }else{</tt></p><p><tt>
         if (you agree with far right){</tt></p><p><tt>
            you are to be admired for believing in American dream etc etc</tt></p><p><tt>
        } else {</tt></p><p><tt>
            you must be dumb, because you didn't make money. </tt></p><p><tt>
            Probably consumed by envy and fomenting class warfare</tt></p><p><tt>
            You Enemy number 1 of America.</tt></p><p><tt>
        }</tt></p><p><tt>
      }</tt></p></quote>

  20. What idiot wrote this article? by gnasher719 · · Score: 2

    So al Gore sold lots of Apple shares. Someone wanted to appear smart and wrote "sold 215,437 shares of Apple stock (APPL)"

    Apparently that idiot isn't aware that APPL is a long defunct oil company that hasn't traded for many years. Apple's stock symbol is AAPL.

  21. Obligatory by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

    $29.5 million? Think how many Manbearpig hunting expeditions that could fund!

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  22. Re:What does Apple get? - Stability, sanity, by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 0

    What Apple gets is simple. Stability, sanity and some level of honesty in the face of huge temptation and fear.

    You only have to look at Nokia to see what can happen if the wrong people get onto the board of a company. Somehow or other, the Nokia board managed to convince its self that a company which had managed to survive multiple revolutions in mobile communications was best led by a man who had failed repeatedly to build mobile success at Microsoft. The results are well known (image from this article).

    Why the did this I have no idea. Panic? Bribes? Stupidity? There has been no clear criminal investigation when there should have been but it seems they were just taken in by fear and a smooth talking failure in Elop. Still, the point is that now Apple may be in a similar situation. They have various long term technologies which won't pay off immediately. Nokia was doing Meego, it's own independent touch screen OS; Apple is doing it's own smart phone chips. They will now be under pressure from Chinese rivals and will go both down as well as up. If you keep working on these technologies you will survive and profit but you are very likely to suffer some relative decline even so. If your board panics and changes everything to try to force growth in a market where there is no more space, you may lose everything that you already have.

    No idea if Gore is the right guy, however I know how much could be lost if he's the wrong one. Apple's profits, around $40Billion yearly, are more than ten times Nokia's. Imagine those disappeared in two years because Apple became involved in someone like Microsoft and brought in someone like Elop.

    Extremely well stated!

  23. Re:What does Apple get? - Stability, sanity, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nokia was going down a LONG TIME before the new CEO. Made no difference. The iPhone and Android killed them. Period.

  24. Earth Day April 22 Bought To You By Al Gore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Al's planning to fund the entire Earth Day protests in D.C. and host his other queer friends Michael E. Mann, James Hansen, John Holdren, Paul Ehrlich, Timmy Cook (Failed Vice Pres. Pick of Failed Pres. Nominee Hillary Rodham Clinton) and non other than Hilly-Billy herself!

    That may also be the day Trump announces the U.S.A. withdrawal from the UNFCCC-IPCC Paris Climate Accord.

    Fun fun fun.

    This really shows the Climate Changers are Astrologers since the Equinox is on March 20.

    Buy CHK, DLNG, KOL and URA (oil, gas, coal and uranium).

    Ha ha
     

    1. Re:Earth Day April 22 Bought To You By Al Gore by radl33t · · Score: 0

      yeah good luck with that. please post back on the progress of your brilliant investment portfolio. fortunately [for you] you are just a troll, probably with no money, no job, and a duplicitous claim on disability from which you access your tax payer funded oxy scrip. And if I'm wrong here its by 1 degree at most. haha, MAGA bro!

  25. Record highs by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    In Indiana, they've had a record number of days in the 60s in February: https://www.bing.com/search?q=...

    1. Re:Record highs by lucm · · Score: 1

      Anyone who mentions this kind of micro-trend is adding noise to the discussion instead of helping people understand the real issues with global warming.

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      lucm, indeed.
    2. Re: Record highs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Higher number of warmer days means global warming is real. Warmer = higher temperatures. Don't you understand English, you dipshit denier.

    3. Re: Record highs by lucm · · Score: 1

      Higher number of warmer days means global warming is real.

      Wrong. Here's how weather works: there's always going to be places/times where temperature will be higher or lower than average for a while, even months or years, but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't prove or disprove global warming.

      The science at this point indicates a near-certainty that there's actually a global warming situation, and that it's more likely than not to be caused by man (yes, those are different issues with a different level of certainty). While this has an almost certain impact on the planet (such as water level rising), it's not an increase in temperature that people can directly experience; we're talking about 0.85 Celsius, so it's not something that can explain a colder or warmer season.

      But here's another thing about weather: because we're talking about extremely long periods of times in any given indicator, there's no certainty about actual patterns because there hasn't been enough instances of those indicators. For instance, based on past trends, we should already have been experiencing a new ice age more than a century ago (before man could actually do enough harm to impact weather). And yet, we're not covered by miles of ice, so trends can only help us to a point.

      What we need as a species is people who think long term and find ways to slowly evolve our technology and lifestyle in a way that favors survival; what we don't need is idiots who confuse everyone with their ill-informed opinions that a mild winter in Cleveland is proof of global warming or that a cool summer in Atlanta proves that there's no such thing. So if you're not willing to educate yourself, the best you can do is remove yourself from the conversation because you're just giving ammo to the other side when you make ridiculous claims, whichever side you are.

       

      --
      lucm, indeed.
    4. Re: Record highs by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and a record number of warm days in India in one month means approximately nothing. Years of breaking high-temperature records worldwide is significant.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  26. Because he forced us to pay him millions by raymorris · · Score: 1, Insightful

    > How do your politicians, both left and right, so filthy rich?

    In Gore's case, he wasn't filthy rich when he started. As a Senator, he sponsored a law forcing companies to buy something called "carbon credits" (pieces of paper) from another company called an "exchange". Guess who owned the exchange? Before that, he had hundreds of thousands of dollars, his carbon exchange made hundreds of millions by legally forcing people to buy his product.

    You might ask how he got away with that. The key is, the whole time he whined about "big business" and polar bears. As long as a politician whines about big bad business people, they're allowed to do whatever they want.

  27. More seriously, we pick a team & don't pay att by raymorris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I joked that politicians can do anything they want as long as they complain about big business while they do it.

    The more serious explanation, I think, is that most Americans just pick a party or politician as their "team", then move on to other things. Most don't spend a lot of time, or have the inclination, to carefully watch what "their" politicians do after they are elected. Their attention span is just long enough to root for their favorite team/player, not enough to actually see what the politician is doing. So whoever originally decided they like Hillary, or Trump, or Gore, is unlikely to later hold them accountable for their actions. Once a majority of Americans "like" you, once they are rooting for you, you can do whatever you want with little consequences.

  28. This is how Corruption works! by chewie2010 · · Score: 1

    Why is no one mentioning this is how our corrupt power structure works? If a prime minister in Russia or South America becomes rich we all raise our eyebrows. Not with Al Gore! The nobler the cause the bigger the corruption.

    1. Re:This is how Corruption works! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is no one mentioning this is how our corrupt power structure works? If a prime minister in Russia or South America becomes rich we all raise our eyebrows. Not with Al Gore! The nobler the cause the bigger the corruption.

      I have no particular problem with Al Gore. He has done more with his life than many, me included. What I do not like is hard work doesn't seem to be particularly valued these days. If you work hard, save, and make reasonable decisions you can probably, if your lucky be middle class.

      If you have a pile of money, then hire a competent person to manage it, you can be and stay a millionaire for life.

      Like it or not a system that rewards money with lots more money irrespective of actual work is potentially cancerous, particularly when you can and are expected to use that money to exploit workers with minimal pay to make even more money.

      The tax code needs to be far more progressive not less. Certainly money earned via your 401k or just stocks and bonds should not be giving preferential treatment. If anything it should be taxed higher.

      The highest capital gains tax rate is roughly 20%. The highest tax rate on work you do yourself, at least federally is roughly 40%.

      Let's think about that. That says the government believes that the work of your own mind or your own sweat should be taxed at twice the rate as just the rate of your money making money.

      That is utter nonsense, along with most republican talking points. Oh sure they will say, but it is across the board so it is fair. Bullcrap. Taxes, if based on anything should be based on actual work done. If you haven't done any actual work, then your going to get nailed taxed wise. The bills don't pay themselves.

      We need a society that values first and foremost work, not a society that values first and foremost money making money. I might accept that capital gains should be the same as regular rates, but I sure as hell don't accept them being half.

      If you want to get more people out of middle class, essentially swap the capital gains rates with the normal rates, but make it revenue neutral. That will help.

      I make around 100k, but I'm also a software engineer with a fair amount of experience. Me earning directly another 10-15k of my own money, even if some of that has to be added back to my 401k to make up the difference is way more useful to me than it is to someone already pulling in 500k a year on investments. That is nearly an extra $1k a month in discretionary spending/saving/finally getting a new car/etc.

  29. Go Gore! by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

    GORE 2020! O.o

  30. Re: Bet he's glad he invented the internet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok, you made the claim. You said Snopes is "quite" biased. Prove it.

  31. Good job by ch-chuck · · Score: 1

    Payoff for work well done - guess the Apple programmers really dig his Al Gore Rhythm.

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    try { do() || do_not(); } catch (JediException err) { yoda(err); }
  32. Re:What does Apple get? - Stability, sanity, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Why the did this I have no idea. Panic? Bribes? Stupidity?

    Maybe he has some new investment to make that is likely to result in a higher level of return? Maybe it's a green energy project he wants to invest in? Or an endowment for climate change research (he's not getting any younger so might want to set this up while he still has chance to be on a disbursement committee)?

    Many reasonable options are also possible, depending on what your priorities are, which may or may not be personal financial gain. We might find out eventually. Some times it can be several reasons at once.

  33. Re:What does Apple get? - Stability, sanity, by Goldsmith · · Score: 1

    This is a nice textbook version of what a board should do, but this is not nearly all of what boards do. It's also a very simplified version of what went wrong at Nokia, which started well before Elop (he historically terrible anyway).

    Yes, you need the board to give advice and help steer a company, but there are a LOT of other ways you can get that advice. You have a limited number of board seats to fill, so each seat necessarily does more than just give advice. The strategy of how to approach these various technical and business challenges is being developed and vetted by different people than the board.

    Each board member is there to also do something else such as provide voting support for management or certain investors, provide important connections, provide credibility that would otherwise be lacking, etc. Selecting the CEO of the company is going to fall to a small subset of the board with experience in that area (not Gore's strength). It is normal to see politicians on boards, particularly when company strategy depends significantly on government actions.

    From one point of view, it is... disappointing that politicians are so highly compensated to represent companies. That's probably due to the mythology we have built around our greatest politicians.

    From another point of view, there are a very limited set of people who can provide the kind of insight into the way government works, and the kind of credibility in interactions with the government that Al Gore can provide. There is real value in those skills, and it seems there are not many people who compete at Gore's level. Logically, we should want our companies and our government to work well together and understand each other.

  34. Re:More seriously, we pick a team & don't pay by pipingguy · · Score: 1

    "Most don't spend a lot of time, or have the inclination, to carefully watch what "their" politicians do after they are elected."

    I know! That's why all elected officials should be wearing body cams with audio 24/7 with the feed live-uploaded where anyone can tune in at any time! Can I have my billion dollar consulting check now?

  35. Ex: Holding "Hillary" sign, can't name anything by raymorris · · Score: 1

    I'm going to mention one clear example of what I'm talking about. This isn't at all limited to one party, I'm just going to use Hillary's name as an example:

    Many of us have probably seen video clips where someone goes to a political rally or whatever and asks people who are holding signs with a politician's name, or wearing a "Hillary" shirt, a question something like this:

    "Hillary is very experienced, she's been involved in politics for 30 years; what's something she's done that you like?"

    Of course the answer, from someone holding a "Hillary for President" sign, is something like this:

    Person holding sign: 30 years?
    Interviewer: Yes. What do you like that she's done?
    Person holding sign: Oh uhm ... She supports women!
    Interviewer: Yeah, okay. What's something she's done to support women?
    Person holding sign: Um
    Interviewer: Like when she supported Paula Jones, that was good, right?
    Person holding sign: Yeah, she supported Paul and Joan.

    That's typical, it seems. Not just Clinton supporters, but Trump supporters too, a majority of the country can't even name the vice president.

  36. Re: Bet he's glad he invented the internet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for the link. The 1% are all deception, all the time. If a big lie doesn't work, back it up with an even bigger one.

    BTW, I'd love to hear why you were modded -1.

  37. Board is often just chrony capitalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some fake-news libs seem to think that if your aren't picked for boards it shows you're selfish. Wow, what crap that is. It's actually the reverse of that. Why would anybody pick Algore to be on their board, I mean besides pay back. Look for "Her" to be on some boards in the future.

    (http://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Trump-s-lack-of-board-service-may-explain-10863402.php)

    "Unlike many corporate leaders today, Trump has never served on a companyâ(TM)s board of directors other than his own. In other words, Trump has only been really responsible for one shareholder: himself."

  38. Re:Bet he's glad he invented the internet! by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    I get this all the time.

    When I do, I hit mother fuckers like you with eight links from other fact-checking sites that support the same position as snopes.

    So fuck you.

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    It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
  39. Like most Americans, Al was given... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a seat on the board at Apple.

    Oh, wait, no... like a typical corrupt politician Al was given a spot on a corporate board as a favor to the Democrat party establishment which lets him cash-out eventually and make tons of money for no work and with no particular education or expertise in the business of the business.

    Progressives still think this guy is a "man of the people" with ethics and vision, etc.

    Sorry, he's just a typical evil corrupt political skunk being given piles of money by mega-corporations who are buying influence.

    1. Re:Like most Americans, Al was given... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Sorry, he's just a typical evil corrupt political skunk being given piles of money by mega-corporations who are buying influence.

      Oh my. That's no way to talk about a sitting president.

  40. I doubt he needs the money by Trogre · · Score: 1

    I hear Google are investing a lot in AI these days.

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    "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
  41. Re: Bet he's glad he invented the internet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You call out Snopes for being biased, then link to EthicsAlarms??

    I see irony is lost on you.

  42. Re:What does Apple get? - Stability, sanity, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a nice textbook version of what a board should do, but this is not nearly all of what boards do. It's also a very simplified version of what went wrong at Nokia, which started well before Elop (he historically terrible anyway).

    I'm really sorry that I summarised and simplified in a Slashdot commment where normally I should have included a 1500 word essay on the details of what went wrong to clarify my point. What you are missing here is that things are always going wrong in big companies. The entire point of being a big company with a long term position is that you can completely mess up strategically and still get back in the game. Consider for example Microsoft's attempt to avoid IP networking entirely. They spent years trying to build an alternative which would exclude rivals. If they were a small company their product would be irrelevant, Microsoft would be dead by now. However, because Windows was dominant and had a huge eco-system other small companies connected it to IP networks. Because Microsoft was huge, they could continue NetBEUI and still have enough energy to work on integrating IP networking to Windows. Looked at from outside Microsoft had missed the boat. Looked at from almost every division inside Microsoft, they were losing a fight to defeat IP networking.

    Looked at from the group writing and building the IP networking system in Microsoft, you were in a special position of being totally dominant in the market ans so you knew your IP product could succeed if it just worked. This was despite the fact that the IP code authors were doing so badly they had to rely on BSD code to get their product working.

    The boards job was to realise this and find someone who was able to pursue all of the main strategies. Android, Meego, extended and simplified touch screen Symbian and maybe even Windows phone then see which one gets actual clear market traction and only then gradually kill the others. Most important, you probably needed someone with experience from a situation like in IBM where the PC division had to fight very hard for their independence which caused long term bad implications. Making sure that the Symbian people stopped interfering with other divisions and concentrated on improving their own product was completely obvious, critical and apparently being ignored. It could have been achieved with one simple change of reporting lines.

  43. ...and by 'soon' we mean sometime in the next 200 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    years! That might be pretty quick in geological time, but for most people it doesn't prompt quick action. If you want to sell your prime beachfront property for a big discount because you are convinced global warming will put it under water, I doubt you would find there is a big lack of interested parties.

  44. Gore 2020 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He needs funding for his POTUS run.

  45. Re: Bet he's glad he invented the internet! by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

    https://ethicsalarms.com/2016/07/31/bye-bye-snopes-youre-dead-to-me-now/

    Plenty of evidence that they produce lots of partisan garbage.

    You know you are in trouble when you have to quote a site by a self-proclaimed ethicist (who just happens to be a lawyer). Especially when that ethicist has to use selective quotes to come to his conclusion.

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