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Microsoft Is Spamming Windows 10 File Explorer With Ads For OneDrive Storage (digitaltrends.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Digital Trends: While Microsoft is addressing some other complaints about Windows 10 in the upcoming Creators Update -- such as privacy concerns over the data that's being transmitted and issues regarding how the operating system updates itself -- the company seems intent on retaining Windows 10's advertising functionality. In fact, it has apparently been adding OneDrive commercials to File Explorer, ExtremeTech reports. Basically, you might start seeing a new promotion for OneDrive when you're perusing your file structure in Windows 10. OneDrive is baked into Windows 10 and can't easily be uninstalled, and Microsoft wants to make sure you know that the 5GB of free OneDrive storage can be easily upgraded to significantly more space. Turning off the OneDrive advertising isn't without consequences. You can go to the View menu in File Explorer, then Options, and select "Change folder and search options." In the next window, select the View menu, then scroll down to and uncheck the "Show sync provider notifications" option. Note that while this should disable the OneDrive ads, it will also stop you from seeing potentially important notifications from OneDrive. The report notes that, while these OneDrive ads aren't new, "they seem to be showing up more often for more people."

281 comments

  1. Windows 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Facebook of operating systems!

    1. Re: Windows 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had one the other day, funny thing is I have an office 365 subscription!

    2. Re:Windows 10 by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Clearly no one else wants to advertise on W10

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      Build a Man a Fire, and He'll Be Warm for a Day. Set a Man on Fire, and He'll Be Warm for the Rest of His Life.

    3. Re:Windows 10 by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Don't laugh. Soon there will be the equivalent of an MS "Facebook" baked into Windows 10 too.

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      Life is not for the lazy.
    4. Re:Windows 10 by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      You need to read more /. Microsoft had a Facebook equivalent that no one used, so they just shut it down.

    5. Re:Windows 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Its NOT a operating system, its a operating SERVICE.

    6. Re:Windows 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Oh, but it's only 'suggested' apps in the Start Menu", they said.
      "Microsoft will NEVER put ads in the rest of the OS", they said.

      Windows fanboys LIED.

    7. Re:Windows 10 by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Microsoft will soon buy Facebook.

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      If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
    8. Re:Windows 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's the scary part. If people start seeing it as a service, the idea of ownership completely disappears. Devices would become online-only, incapable of running anything without the network. That would honestly create the type of subjugation that rms talks about.

      Really, this is almost like a "heads up: people are gonna start thinking Windows is a service", so we can prepare decent arguments to try and keep people sane and aware.

    9. Re: Windows 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There's always lliunux and macOS. Ads will make me furious. Already bought the OS. I don't want damn ads everywhere.

    10. Re:Windows 10 by kimgkimg · · Score: 2

      An OS should not be an Ad platform!!!

    11. Re:Windows 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed!

      EVERY time I start to consider jumping back into Windows ecosystem, something damning, and utterly disgusting pops up about Windows 10.

      It's actually a pleasant reminder that to myself... "You dumbass. Did you really think they'd get better? After all these years?!?!? HAHAHAHAH: ..

      And then I go right back to updating my repo, and kernel... 'Business as usual' ...

    12. Re:Windows 10 by rbgaynor · · Score: 1

      Facebook's market cap is $390 billion, a buyout is unlikely.

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      "Good things don't end with eum, they end with mania or teria." - H. Simpson
    13. Re:Windows 10 by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      They only need to gain control, not get the whole package. Or they just need to control the owners.

      Stranger things have happened.

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      If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
    14. Re: Windows 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yep. I want the OS on my computer to be clean, slick and cohesive, not a mess of ugly ads that scream "crippleware", "trialware", "adware" or "not full version".

      This is on top of the numerous other problems with Windows. Even if it were just ads being pushed in the OS and the other shit was fixed, I would still flatly reject Windows 10.

    15. Re:Windows 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that fullscreen ad for some Tomb Raider children's video game that Microsoft was pushing in the forced Windows 10 lockscreen. That's why they forbid users from disabling the lockscreen, even on desktop machines where it makes zero sense, because it's a virtual billboard that they can plaster with tacky, eyesore advertisements.

      Windows 10 is NOT an operating system. It is a marketing platform, through and through. They even have the nerve to fucking sell it, not that giving it away for free would justify the spyware, adware and loss of user control..

    16. Re:Windows 10 by Blig · · Score: 2

      Don't laugh. Soon there will be the equivalent of an MS "Facebook" baked into Windows 10 too.

      Can just imagine it now - you're working on some code, a document, or playing that awesome game when all of a sudden a window pops over your active one and shows you all the food and kid pictures of other Windows 10 users around the world with the request that you "Like" them.

    17. Re:Windows 10 by SeaFox · · Score: 2

      Not seeing a big difference with the Microsoft Account they try and shove down everyone's throats since Windows 8. They already have buddy lists in the form of the Contacts section. A instant messaging/VoIP platform, Profile pages, a news portal with MSN... All they need is a front-end site that is more social-focused and they would be there.

    18. Re: Windows 10 by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I want the OS on my computer to be clean, slick and cohesive, not a mess of ugly ads that scream "crippleware", "trialware", "adware" or "not full version".

      Then clearly, the only option will be to get a pirated version.

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      Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
    19. Re:Windows 10 by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

      If you have Windows 10, I've got a question for you. Can you disconnect Windows 10 from the web. Then create or grab the file you need. Transfer the file to your external disk, memory stick or SD (Or whatever). Delete the file on the computer, then re-connect Windows 10 -- If you do this, will the information still go to the cloud?

    20. Re:Windows 10 by b783719 · · Score: 1

      The Facepalm of operating systems!

      FTFY

    21. Re:Windows 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a data collection and advertisement distribution service for Microsoft.

    22. Re:Windows 10 by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 2

      Windows Update already tends to do similar stuff:
      https://betanews.com/2016/05/04/windows-10-ruins-pro-gaming-stream/

      --
      C - the footgun of programming languages
    23. Re:Windows 10 by aliquis · · Score: 1

      If anyone launched a social media platform with freedom of speech and as much anonymity/privacy as you wanted then I'd definitely would want to use it but for me to only use it everyone else would have to use it too.

      Facebook and Twitter of today is complete shit.. So an alternative is very much welcome but I doubt we'll get one because where would you run such a platform and how would our assholes of governments allow that?

    24. Re:Windows 10 by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

      >They only need to gain control, not get the whole
      > package. Or they just need to control the owners.

      Zuckerberg has set up a special class of "super-shares" that give him over 50% of votes (i.e. control of Facebook) even if he only has a small percentage of overall shares. http://fortune.com/2016/12/13/...

      > The reality is that Mark Zuckerberg can do whatever he wants with Facebook because
      > he controls more than 50% of the votes using the same kind of multi-voting shares
      > Larry Page and Sergey Brin use to control Alphabet and Google. He also controls the
      > board of directors thanks the creative use of proxy votes from other co-founders.

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      I'm not repeating myself
      I'm an X window user; I'm an ex-Windows user
  2. So that's why it keeps popping up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So that's why it keeps popping up; I assumed I was accidentally clicking on the systray icon.

    1. Re:So that's why it keeps popping up by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I thought I was clicking on something in the Explorer window accidentally to make that window show up. But I tried following the instructions in TFS and the setting that should let me turn it off isn't there.

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    2. Re:So that's why it keeps popping up by Slugster · · Score: 2

      I've noticed over the last ~3 months that whenever I start up Notepad++, it also seems to kick the MS CloudDrive thing on (which I have never set up, and keep shutting off when it asks if I want to, even tho it's not set to ever come on automatically).

      Oddly enough I use Visual Studio (community/freebie) to write personal programs and CloudDrive never kicks on when I start that...

      I have no plans on using CloudDrive.
      Using a free could service to hold important files is rather like asking a street bum to hold your wallet.
      Eventually something bad will happen, and they will only shrug and say "hey, waddya want for free?"

    3. Re: So that's why it keeps popping up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if this kind of stuff matters to you and you're using Notepad++, you might want to checkout the latest wikileaks news about Notepad++ too

  3. FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So my friends, which one of these should i look up, and suggest me Linux distros.
    I'm gonna VM them to try them out and completely purge Windows 10 from my life.

    1. Re: FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *cough**paid shill**coughcough*

    2. Re:FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my professional environment, I use Ubuntu to earn my paycheck. Windows is for email, Linux is for work.

    3. Re:FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depending on your skill level, TrueOS if you're a novice in the Unix world. FreeBSD if you don't mind reading the manual. The later is easy to set up and go, the former is a bit of work for your first time.

      If you must go Linux, I put my father on Mint, and he has no problems with it. (In his 60s with early dementia)

    4. Re:FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by theJML · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've been using Ubuntu, Fedora, and OS X for the last 8 years here. Haven't had a windows laptop for any more than the first 2 months I was here when I got the okay to wipe it. about 60 Dev's here, all use OS X with only a few that use Linux.

      It greatly depends on your job. Your seriously not going to miss out on much... and it's Windows, it's not like it's that hard to figure it out if you really need to.

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      -=JML=-
    5. Re: FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by mukinrestak · · Score: 1

      Really? I'd say it's more likely that it was some well done trolling. I mean, you fell for it.

    6. Re:FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft is constantly fucking over business customers, too. They can only take it for so long.

    7. Re:FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by enrique556 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I downgraded my win7 to 10 just before the cutoff date for free upgrade, so I had the option of 7 or 10 later on. After trying out 10 for a while, I just decided that it was a joke, and that it was becoming more of a joke as time went on, and started dual-booting to linux mint cinnamon. ~6 months later and I don't ever boot into my windows partition even to play games. If you want a windows 7 replacement, Linux Mint Cinnamon is your best bet.

    8. Re:FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      I downgraded my win7 to 10 just before the cutoff date for free upgrade, so I had the option of 7 or 10 later on. After trying out 10 for a while, I just decided that it was a joke, and that it was becoming more of a joke as time went on, and started dual-booting to linux mint cinnamon. ~6 months later and I don't ever boot into my windows partition even to play games. If you want a windows 7 replacement, Linux Mint Cinnamon is your best bet.

      Cinnamon is great, My wife loves it after refusing to use W8 after a month. Works well with touch screens too. I've been using Ubuntu Mate recently, since I can run it on my regular computers as well as a RP3 I've been playing with. On either one, the regular user can get used to it in minutes. For the OP - many of these Linux Distros use "Live CD's" or Thumb drives, so you can boot off them to see if you like the interface. As well, have a internet connection going on the computer you install on.

      Note 3 - Some distro's like Ubuntu Mate offer the option to do the latest updates while installing.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    9. Re:FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

      BSD FTW! Probably PC-BSD as an easy start...

      http://web.pcbsd.org/

      As for shill above wanking on about "losing your windows skills"...don't worry, if you're a normal human being I'm sure you can learn new things while still retaining your old knowledge, especially if - like many - you regularly work with both.

      So - duh - you actually become MORE valuable on the job market!
      Being working well for me for over 30 years now...

      Try Apple also, based on BSD so under the hood it's not too unfamiliar. Used Macbook Pros (get the right model) are serious tools, and of course you can multi-boot if you can't get your VM to do what you want.

    10. Re: FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ??what??

      Knowing more OSes I'd ALWAYS better. Especially a working knowledge of linux. Being able to change from bash to powershell in a heartbeat is one of my most employable skills.

    11. Re: FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      If you are a power user this is not a shills advice. Linux is a shit desktop OS. The productivity apps are crap and VB used in Office (excel/access) are used daily.

      Linux offers no benefits over Windows in an office environment... unless you want to spend your time figuring out how to get an excel sheet with formulas to work correctly in the garbage that is libreoffice.

    12. Re:FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice try, here working on a *NIX machine for the past 10 years... running stuff mostly on a *NIX servers in a huge corp.. I'm not saying its perfect but oh boy who really want to touch that *exe stuff...

    13. Re:FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by LVSlushdat · · Score: 2

      THAT is the BEST thing you could do for yourself.. Run Virtualbox on your Windows system and try different Linux distros till you find one you like, personally I like Kubuntu, KDE and Ubuntu, but your tastes may vary.. Once you're happy with it and are somewhat familiar with it, yank that Windows bandage off.... back up your data, install that Linux distro to the machine and just blow away Windows.. I did that nearly 7 years ago and now I sit back and laugh my ass off at all of the stories I see on the internet about the latest MS abuse of those who *still* use Windows... Quite entertaining...

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      THANK YOU, Edward Snowden!! Americans owe you a debt of gratitude (whether they know it or not..)
    14. Re:FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah Mint is pretty newbie-friendly (it's what I'm using) ... and if you do run into problems their forums are generally helpful.

    15. Re:FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a fan of windows 7: I like to use it as my primary OS and launch Linux VMs for my dev work. I recently got a new job and a couple weeks before I started my new employer sent my a thinkpad in the mail with a note that said "This is yours to keep. When you arrive it should have a one of (list of Linux distros) installed with (list of software). You might want a Windows VM, use this license key.

      So yeah, YMMV.

    16. Re:FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      If you have a bubble job where you never need to interact with the world at large then great. Enjoy your bubble.

      The rest of us interact with people regularly.

    17. Re:FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ubuntu 16.04 LTS MATE edition for a fairly light-weight, traditional style no-nonsense desktop. I tried MATE but I don't agree with their kernel update policy.

    18. Re:FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Your parents don't count.

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      Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
    19. Re: FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a shit operating system.

      For ease of maintainance, Linux distros like Debian (or Devuan) win hands down. Better updates, better drivers, the whole lot. I can plug any hardware into my ancient Dell and it just works. Windows 8/8.1/10 tend to go cry to mommysoft first.

      As far as applications go, anything that runs on Linux probably runs on Windows. And with WINE or PlayOnLinux, you can run popular Windows applications like Office. LibreOffice Writer is far superior to Word in speed, features, and stability, though I keep a copy of Office 2010 around just in case.

      FreeBSD or PC-BSD is only good if you have non-changing hardware and a specific desire to run FSF-approved software only.

      The AC above me is a blooming idiot.

    20. Re:FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn, who is this employer and are they looking for any entry level coders?

    21. Re:FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows is embedded like it or not, for the people who stopped using windows that's super and thanx for taking every opportunity to tell us about it like a vegan.

      As a gamer i could never switch to Linux the lack of drivers that work properly is the reason i went from having a dual boot system to not using linux at all.
      Linux could be less annoying and easier for new people to use but the biggest Linux issue is the people who use it are arrogant, ask the wrong question on a forum and ridicule is relentless.

    22. Re: FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are no ads baked into the file browser (any of them) in Linux. I personally see that as an advantage Mr. Microsoft.

    23. Re: FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But...... in reality people don't want to install wine and other shit just to use Microsoft office or something for 30 minutes. I'm actually a software engineer and use virtualization daily and besides virtual box in the VMware on Linux I can to get KVM configured and working. I dedicated a couple hours to it. Anything longer than that it's a fucking joke

    24. Re: FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by thundercattt · · Score: 1

      Lol "Linux is a shit OS". OK there Windows Fanboy. What distro did you try to use? Mandrake? I can do anything and more on my Linux box with very little effort.

    25. Re:FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by GerryHattrick · · Score: 1

      I put most of my cousins on Win10, tweaked to look like XP and with all the nonsense removed. I check everyone routinely with TeamViewer, and the only disasters I've had to fix have been on the NON-Win10 machines. Of course I added Mint, but no-one uses that because they like to see the screens they're used to. Their only complaint is 'Office' getting chargeable, which is when LibreOffice mysteriously appears.

    26. Re: FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which files are those? Some random binary written 20 years ago for Windows 95 that is still floating around?

    27. Re:FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, Linux Administrators command a MUCH higher salary than you Windows data entry peons.

    28. Re:FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arch Linux, it's the most user-friendly because of minimal cruft, the AUR and no spyware.

    29. Re: FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had a try at PlayOnLinux after a decade of ignoring it. It's as bad as expected : the GUI is weird, obtuse - doesn't give information as what it's trying to get you to do. What do you mean, "install" an application? It's already there, in a folder. No, I don't want to copy gigabytes or more into ~/.wine/drive_c you piece of shit. I ain't got a whole hard drive for the /home partition. Yeah, I got a glitchy Max Payne 2 running, thanks (lighting is all wrong, may be due to the fact old DirectX 11 Radeon are unsupported by AMD). And that was a crappy game anyway made by idiots.

      Is there another front end that doesn't fail at its job? a front end's job is to be a helpful GUI, be an easy .exe launcher not a weird ass one, and let me choose a (default) directory where to install crap to.

    30. Re: FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I forgot that as usual, the game suffered the "QWERTY plague" : something in the input chain assuming that I have a QWERTY keyboard, which I don't. So, you try to go forward and the character goes backward, the other movement keys are wrong except strafe right, you can't change weapons etc.. Most games are unplayable under linux because of that, some fixable in the game's configuration menu, some not (a pain in the ass when there are 30 controls ; some conflict, some don't work, and you randomly bind things to "mouse1" while navigating that crap)

    31. Re:FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My mother has been using Mint on her laptop for a couple of years now. She has never complained about it.

    32. Re:FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

      Anonymous, keep your Windows 10 computer. Try Ubuntu on one of your old computers and see if you like it. They have 32 and 64 bit ISO versions on the Web. If you have money, get the book 'Ubuntu Unleashed' (It comes with a Ubuntu DVD). Read it as you install and play with Ubuntu The book has tons of help in it to get you started. Ubuntu and that book seem to be the friendliest versions. And I should know, because I started from scratch with them, knowing nothing. I tried Debian first but it was too ruff for me. Make no mistake about it. Linux will be a lot of grunt work to learn how to make things work and where they are. Sometimes to make things work, you will have updates that are interdependent on updates and it seems to go on forever. (Example: But I finally reached the end and got my Dos games running again!) And some programs and applications, and games simply won't work on them - even with the help of WINE. www.gog.com will help you with old games if GOG has it. And regarding other applications you may be forced to find equivalent substitutes. Example: LibreOffice - the equvalent of Microsoft Office.. If you are interested in doing so. Otherwise stick with Windows.

    33. Re: FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What files? I don't even use Microsoft Office on Windows because it's inferior to open source office productivity software.

      The document types most common on my Windows PC are plain ASCII text, html, epub, mhtml, pdf and odt.

    34. Re: FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly, he carries a "notebook" and uses it with a pen.

    35. Re:FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Reziac · · Score: 1

      For folks who like WinXP, PCLinuxOS "full monty" is a fairly close drop-in replacement.

      Any KDE or LXDE desktop is functional enough, if not quite XP, but some are definitely closer than others. Run the "Live CD" version for a pretty good looksee.

      Mint or Puppy aren't bad as simpler desktops.

      If you actually like Win8/10, then you might like Gnome, and may God have mercy on your soul.

      I've had zero luck getting Hackintosh/iATKOS to run, but count it as small loss since I can't stand MacOS anyway.

      ReactOS is practically XP again but still too alpha for everyday use.

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      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    36. Re: FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His original quote was "about 60 Dev's here, all use OS X" keyword there is devs. Linux is not for script kiddies like you. Pro tip: entering an excel formula does not count as l33t dev work.

    37. Re: FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I check everyone routinely with TeamViewer.."

      So does the rest of the world, Russia and China especially.

    38. Re:FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by beastofburdon · · Score: 0

      If you don't mind a different interface:
      - Ubuntu (dead simple)
      - Fedora (slightly more in depth)
      Similar interface:
      - Mint (dead simple)
      - OpenSUSE with KDE (simple)

    39. Re:FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by beastofburdon · · Score: 0

      My mom has been using it for a few years now too. She complains less than when she had Windows.

    40. Re:FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by beastofburdon · · Score: 0

      If you actually like Win8/10, then you might like Gnome, and may God have mercy on your soul.

      Because I will not!
      Gnome is the only interface I hate more than OSX and Metro combined.

    41. Re:FreeBSD, Hackingtosh, or Linux by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Yep... I've described Gnome's current incarnation as everything I hate about MacOS, Win8/10, and smartphones, all in one handy package!!

      As someone else put it, I want a desktop, not an appliance.

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      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
  4. How do I block this stuff? by i_ate_god · · Score: 2

    with win10 home edition, is it even possible to stop this from happening at all? Some obscure registry hack somewhere?

    --
    I'm god, but it's a bit of a drag really...
    1. Re:How do I block this stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Windows 7.

    2. Re:How do I block this stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      https://getfedora.org/

      That isn't meant to be offensive by the way, I just literally gave up trying all the different registry tweaks and obscure utilities meant to bend Windows 10 back into the shape of something usable and found that I don't miss much of anything. You might have a Windows app you need to run, in which case you need to keep searching through that morass and hope there's a way to turn it off (hint: usually the answer is either "no" or "it'll take quite a lot of work and be reversed on the next update anyway").

    3. Re:How do I block this stuff? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not (yet) true, but we're getting there. It is almost less hassle by now to get your favorite programs to work in Linux than to get them to work the way they're supposed to in Windows.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    4. Re:How do I block this stuff? by Luthair · · Score: 1

      Uninstall OneDrive.

    5. Re:How do I block this stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I block MS Update domains on DNS level. Now I'm considering either movign back to Windows 7, or just get Linux Mint installed. Only thing which stops me is my Steam Games...

    6. Re:How do I block this stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      https://www.ghacks.net/2017/03/08/windows-10-turn-off-ads-in-file-explorer/

    7. Re:How do I block this stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if you figured out how to get rid of it, do you really think it wouldn't be back the next day in a "critical update"?

    8. Re:How do I block this stuff? by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      Personally, I just use OOSU10 ( https://www.oo-software.com/en... ). I don't use OneDrive, never have, so I just simply disabled it completely in OOSU10 and sure enough, it hasn't reared its head anywhere since then.

    9. Re:How do I block this stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see the ads at all. I disabled alot of stuff when I first installed it. You can try this: http://www.ghacks.net/2015/08/14/comparison-of-windows-10-privacy-tools/

    10. Re:How do I block this stuff? by Gaygirlie · · Score: 2

      Even if you figured out how to get rid of it, do you really think it wouldn't be back the next day in a "critical update"?

      It hasn't been back for me, even though it's been months since I disabled it.

    11. Re:How do I block this stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      O&O Shutip10 tells Windows 10 to shut up https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

    12. Re:How do I block this stuff? by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      https://getfedora.org/

      That isn't meant to be offensive by the way, I just literally gave up trying all the different registry tweaks and obscure utilities meant to bend Windows 10 back into the shape of something usable and found that I don't miss much of anything. You might have a Windows app you need to run, in which case you need to keep searching through that morass and hope there's a way to turn it off (hint: usually the answer is either "no" or "it'll take quite a lot of work and be reversed on the next update anyway").

      I recently tried the latest fedora and was far from impressed. They actually managed to take away even more basic configuration options and dumb the interface to the point of non-usability vs previous time I tried it. I was now being denied the ability simply to change basic attributes such as fonts and sizes.

      Unless of course you are willing to search for obscure CLI commands to install different window managers or configurators outside the reach of normal people.

      Then there is the issue of the update model. Fedora is way too much of a moving target to be relevant for production use. Either you go along with forced major updates every 6 months with associated risk of failure or you are totally screwed as they pull update feeds even for security.

      Fedora seems to be nothing more than a playground for red hat's commercial products and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

    13. Re:How do I block this stuff? by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1

      OOSU10 is good, so long as its developers keep up with the "whack-a-mole" changes that MS keeps throwing in.. Something that you or OOSU10 turns off today can very likely be turned back on tommorrow, ESPECIALLY if its one of the spyware aspects of 10.. ANYbody who places ANY trust in Microsoft has seriously misplaced their trust... I used/supported MS products for 20 years as a sysadmin and when I retired I decided I was DONE with anything MS...

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    14. Re:How do I block this stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      turn off some of the crap with this..
      https://www.oo-software.com/en...

      maybe even disable updates completely and use this...
      http://download.wsusoffline.ne...
      to download updates and an update installer separately.

      and of course... disable all the "live tiles" or delete/unisntall their respective apps, and use this for a start menu...
      http://classicshell.net/

      if you need a pop/imap mail client, consider mozilla thunderbird or even seamonkey instead of the piece-of-shit mail "app" in win10. note that the popular mail client in "live essentials" is end-of-life and no longer updated/fixed.
      https://mozilla.org/thunderbir...
      http://seamonkey-project.org/

    15. Re: How do I block this stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fedora is shit compared to Chapeau. Just sayin'.

      The fastest way to get stuff do e is always the CLI. This is true for Windows. Also true for Debian derivatives. I don't touch Red Hat derived crap or even Arch.

    16. Re:How do I block this stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows 7.

      Dos 3.11

    17. Re: How do I block this stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have a lot of Goldie-oldies, I recommend using an XP VM for those pesky games. Try Steam OS on a separate partition for a bit - nearly half my library was there (of my 350 games, 110 were ; and those are the ones I actually play, vs the crap from bundles)

    18. Re:How do I block this stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nerdgasm+windows+10

    19. Re:How do I block this stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try Ubuntu or one of the derivatives (I prefer Kubuntu myself). I have never liked anything redhat since struggling for a week to get basic hardware working on it.

    20. Re:How do I block this stuff? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      RTFA and change the settings. I've never seen a single advert in Windows 10. Sure the defaults are annoying but all of them respect the settings to disable "Occasionally show suggestions in Start", and when you remove that get Office program that shipped with every version of windows since XP then you don't get those adverts anymore either (it was funny watching the outrage in Windows 10 as if this is something new).

      Problem with this setting here is it's a push advert from the OneDrive server. If you disable the setting which controls this you will also lose the notifications that you're not signed in and that your Onedrive is full etc.

    21. Re:How do I block this stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Move to the EU.

      MS doesn't dare to this in the EU because that's another antitrust case they'll lose.

    22. Re:How do I block this stuff? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      than to get them to work the way they're supposed to in Windows

      Run the installer then click the shortcut in the start menu. You're not doing Linux adoption any favours with shitty hyperbole. People read the first part of your comment and think "oh Linux must be getting easy to use", then they get to the second part and think "ahh scratch that, just another person talking out their arse".

    23. Re: How do I block this stuff? by jordanjay29 · · Score: 1

      Is Chapeau the Linux Mint of Fedora?

    24. Re:How do I block this stuff? by jordanjay29 · · Score: 2

      Play On Linux can do a respectable number of Windows games, especially those 5+ years old at this point. Newer stuff, yeah, that's a pickle.

    25. Re:How do I block this stuff? by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      Either I haven't been paying attention or I'm not getting these ads. I did do a bunch of registry hacks and other things to turn all the crap off, it's true - but then I have to do a lot with a fresh Ubuntu install, also (turn off telemetry and ads). I don't like that I have to opt out of stuff I didn't opt in to, but it's par for course no matter who you're buying from these days. I've been using Windows 10 for some time now, and I actually really like it compared to older versions of Windows. It's not that there aren't complaints, it's that there are good and bad things, and on the whole Windows 10 seems better to me than Windows 7. I do know of specific bad things in Windows 10 that simply don't apply to me (w.r.t. floating license managers, in particular). And over the past few years I've changed from spending more time in Linux to more time in Windows, but I can use either one and be happy. Or, rather, not too annoyed.

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    26. Re:How do I block this stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So far I have had good luck with Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB for times when I have to use Windows 10. You can download the .iso from MS, have to hack the activation.

    27. Re:How do I block this stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It tells you right in the article summary. LOL

      Misleadingly so. IT says that if you turn off the suggestion / ad to start your 5GB, it also turns off important OneDrive notices...

      but then you wouldn't get ads and wouldn't need to turn off the suggestion because it wouldn't be "advertising", since you already have it...

    28. Re:How do I block this stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why risk it? If you really need a Windows OS, grab a pirated copy of Windows 7 Ultimate from TPB.

    29. Re:How do I block this stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, and that's the best way to get ALL TYPES of backdoors known to mankind.

    30. Re:How do I block this stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Install Classic Shell, it's a small free add-on that makes Windows 10 behave like Windows 7, including Start Menu and Explorer behaviour.

    31. Re:How do I block this stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL, I've been using TPB since 2003 and have never gotten any viruses, trojans, malware, spyware, etc. If you have, then you are a fucking retard. Download from VIP or trusted uploaders, read comments to see what others say, scan ISO before installing it. It's POSSIBLE but unlikely to get malware from TPB. The alternative is getting Windows 10 from Microsoft and DEFINITELY getting malware.

      Go learn something about computers before you talk, son.

    32. Re:How do I block this stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, there are some sites that cover which adjustments to make. If you don't feel like doing it by hand every time an MS update resets those settings, just use w10privacy and mark some check boxes.

      https://www.winprivacy.de/english-home/

    33. Re:How do I block this stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I get that this is /., and any comment that is favorable to Linux will get modded up, but reading this is a giant eyeroll. Linux's longstanding driver issues (open source suck, proprietary arguably suck even harder) are still a thing, and most games won't run on any flavor of it without painful virtualization/emulation. The attitude of "It works fine, just spend two hours reading man pages and configuring everything just right, that's no problem at all" is the final factor preventing Linux from being the primary desktop OS. I don't generally make sweeping statements, but I feel secure in saying there will never be a year of the Linux desktop as long as the above reasons remain true. Most people want it to just work because the computer is a tool, there's no value to them in geeking around trying to get everything working.

  5. Die, fscking adverts, die! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    How much longer will it be before we are denied access to applications we've paid for unless we sit through more fscking adverts?

    We're already having to rent software. We are denied the first sales right to sell digital products - even in the EU were it is legal, and our OSes are having stealth updates and invariably breaking existing functionality, or reverses settings in anti-consumer direction.

    1. Re:Die, fscking adverts, die! by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      its amazing; they charge full price for win10 (now; the free ones were just a gimmick to get their 'adoption numbers' up and to hook people into this one-way trip) and yet, they also send ads to you and you can't really opt-out, either!

      either you make the o/s free and then people MAY be ok with ads; or you charge your normal full price and you KEEP THAT SHIT OFF OUR SYSTEMS.

      every few years, the 'evil one' becomes apple and then MS and then apple and now back to MS again.

      glad I'm a linux user and admin. I have choices that many users refuse to allow themselves.

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    2. Re: Die, fscking adverts, die! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is you can't not accept the updates. A non-updated OS is basically assured to be insecure and likely won't work with modern software.

      Ultimately the people that are going to fall for this are the next-gen-ers, who are a generation free of privacy advocacy. The share-alls of tomorrow won't see the irony of being required to share everything with companies that were bitching about us "sharing" our MP3s a decade ago.

      Once software is everywhere we can expect more advertising in more places we don't want it.

    3. Re:Die, fscking adverts, die! by houghi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Do you have cable?

      And I am sure that with newspeak (Uber: We are not a taxi company), we will soon get that these are not ads. They are consumer infomation bulletins or some other crap. That will give them another 2-4 years to change the law in their favour.

      And MS and Apple are not the most evil ones. They are just the biggest ones.

      In the mean time all we see is some people moan about it on some websites. The companies are not interested in you as a customer. So why would they do what you want?

      If you see how much money these companies make, you can harly blame them, because what they do works.

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    4. Re: Die, fscking adverts, die! by nctritech · · Score: 1

      Go to Services. Disable "Windows Update" and stop it. Enable it when (if) you ever want to manually run updates or install a program that installs a Windows update as part of the process. Don't forget you did it or you'll eventually run into a problem and forget to enable it long enough to troubleshoot.

    5. Re:Die, fscking adverts, die! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      If you look at the screenshot, they even fuck you over on the "1TB" of storage space they are trying to sell you. Windows uses power of 2 sizes for RAM and storage, but with OneDrive you only get 0.931322574615478515625 TB because they are using power of 10 sizes.

      Microsoft need to pick one. And it needs to be powers of 2, because my PC does not have 8.589934592 GB of RAM.

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    6. Re:Die, fscking adverts, die! by tsqr · · Score: 5, Funny

      They're a public corporation with one goal: maximizing profit. Full stop.

      You don't need more than one period at the end of a sentence.

      Their obligation is to produce a product that extracts as much money as possible from Windows users. Period.

      Really, you don't.

    7. Re: Die, fscking adverts, die! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the second one was just them telling us they're on their period, explaining some of the bitchiness.

    8. Re:Die, fscking adverts, die! by kilfarsnar · · Score: 2

      TL;DR: Microsoft is under NO obligation to produce a product that doesn't incorporate advertising, spying or other "evil" things. Their obligation is to produce a product that extracts as much money as possible from Windows users. Period.

      It's funny, it used to be understood that businesses and corporations existed to provide a valuable good or service for people. They traded that good or service for money. Am I now to understand that a company's only obligation is to make as much money as possible, regardless of their utility? Does the largest software company in the world, whose operating system most computer users rely on, really have no responsibility to their customers? That seems upside down to me. Who is serving whom here?

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    9. Re:Die, fscking adverts, die! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah Google became evil when it needed money and the evil people provided it.

      Microsoft was always evil but their market share is dropping.

      Evil is as evil does but don't try to jump the snake river.

      Captcha: stinkers

    10. Re: Die, fscking adverts, die! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Updated software is equally assured to be insecure.

      Captcha: quality

      is /.s ai having fun with me today?

    11. Re: Die, fscking adverts, die! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a Linux user, self proclaimed, and you opinion is immaterial.

    12. Re:Die, fscking adverts, die! by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      they also send ads to you and you can't really opt-out, either!

      Yes it's very difficult to opt out if you don't feel comfortable changing a setting offered up to you by the computer.

      Ads? Never seen one.

    13. Re: Die, fscking adverts, die! by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Maybe, but if he douches that thing any harder, he'll be on my period!

    14. Re:Die, fscking adverts, die! by tepples · · Score: 2

      Microsoft is under NO obligation to produce a product that doesn't incorporate advertising, spying or other "evil" things.

      Depends on the jurisdiction. The European Union regulates privacy, consumer protection, and competition more strictly than the United States of America does.

    15. Re:Die, fscking adverts, die! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Opt out? What kind of apologist sack of shit are you? Ads and spyware shouldn't be in the OS in the first fucking place. "Opt out" is a bullshit marketing concept because people never opted-in in the first place.

    16. Re: Die, fscking adverts, die! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have a clue, junior. All of the compatibility issues I have seen regarding Windows 10 have been caused by updates. You know, the updates that are supposed to fix things but instead break them. Software developers and software companies even add disclaimers now that things may break if you are using Windows 10. They never used to do that for older versions of Windows.

      My Windows 7 PC is secure because I, the user, make it secure. Not because of Microsoft updates.

    17. Re:Die, fscking adverts, die! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This.is.nonsense.Period.

    18. Re:Die, fscking adverts, die! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Question mark.

    19. Re:Die, fscking adverts, die! by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Legally, the first responsibility of a publicly-held company is to their *shareholders*. Who naturally want to see max profit NOW, and to hell with next quarter. If that means screwing over all your customers -- well, you shoulda stayed private.

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    20. Re:Die, fscking adverts, die! by MooseMiester · · Score: 1

      Yeah, yeah, Microsoft (Who still holds a massive majority in the desktop space) SUX it's the oldest clickbait on slashdot, I get that. But I have to disagree because nobody buys Windows 10, it comes on the computer pre-installed...

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  6. Might as well just email your docs to the TLAs by wildstoo · · Score: 1

    Since all of Microsoft's cloud services are intrinsically backdoored by the Three Letter Agencies, you might as well just email all your documents directly to them.

    1. Re:Might as well just email your docs to the TLAs by chrish · · Score: 1

      I don't understand why the TLAs don't just sponsor a free cloud backup system; it could even be encrypted, using one of the possibly back-doored encryption standards. People would love it.

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      - chrish
    2. Re:Might as well just email your docs to the TLAs by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      The local cache could be encrypted in place, but use their cloud to decrypt!

      I jest, but in seriousness I trust them a lot more than I trust MS. They gave us SE-Linux and things like that in the past. I guess it all depends which team they assign to the project, if you get something that helps you or the other guy. That's better odds than MS gives!

  7. I fail to see the problem? by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Note that while this should disable the OneDrive ads, it will also stop you from seeing potentially important notifications from OneDrive."

    Who the hell uses OneDrive and why should anyone care about "potentially important notifications" from a spammer?

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    1. Re:I fail to see the problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's two separate questions. I don't know who uses OneDrive, but I'm sure quite a few people do, given the way it's bundled with Windows. And given that some people do use it, if the "potentially important notifications" could include messages with security implications, or messages about remaining storage space etc, then I imagine those people probably do want to see those notifications.

    2. Re:I fail to see the problem? by Opportunist · · Score: 0

      But then ... they're advertising to the only people that are already using the service, while those that don't wouldn't even get to see the ads because they're fed up with them and turn them off.

      *golfclap*

      Bravo. Genius move, Microsoft. Look, it's ok to be pissing in the wind when you're looking for ideas, but you should first find out where it's blowing so you don't get wet.

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    3. Re:I fail to see the problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think of it like regular email spam. 99% of people delete it without question, and wouldn't even contemplate clicking that link. But the people the spammers are trying to reach are the other 1%, they don't care about that first 99%. Same thing here.

    4. Re:I fail to see the problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, spammers are trying to get that 1% and don't care about the other 99%. But the point that Opportunist was making is that Microsoft already has that 1%. Turning off the OneDrive advertisements will only hurt the people who are already using OneDrive.

    5. Re: I fail to see the problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not too bright, either of you. They want the free users to upgrade and be paid users and the paid users to pay more.

    6. Re:I fail to see the problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But then ... they're advertising to the only people that are already using the service, while those that don't wouldn't even get to see the ads because they're fed up with them and turn them off.

      Reminds me of Comcast. When I had their service, it seemed like one commercial during every break was advertising Comcast. Motherfucker, I already have your service, you don't need to advertise to me! I switched to DirecTV and rarely see any DirecTV ads, no more than I was seeing when I had cable, presumably those are national ads coming from the network level. And Comcast doesn't advertise on DirecTV at all, where spending their marketing money might actually gain them some customers.

  8. Re:TANSTAAFL by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ok, ok, I want to pay! Sell me a version of Windows 10 that doesn't suck!

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  9. What is the business model again? by Paradroid888 · · Score: 2

    Is this a free OS where the user is the product, or is it a "Pro" product where users pay nearly £200/$200, yet is exploited for additional revenue. Microsoft don't seem to know. Given the price of the product I don't want any commercial stuff in the core Windows shell. Promoted apps on the launcher, popups telling me Edge is faster than Chrome, and this, are not acceptable. The only place it's acceptable is in the Store.

    1. Re: What is the business model again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually win 10 was think still is free for consumer and has ads(though there are some hacks to get ride of those and edit personalization etc.

    2. Re:What is the business model again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd add that one should be able to uninstall the store.

    3. Re: What is the business model again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it does have the pro version though.

    4. Re:What is the business model again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They know full well, you don't. The "free" version of the OS is for people to be exploited for ad revenue. The "pro" version of the OS is to exploit businesses who are worried about the information that might be leaking out to Microsoft on a constant basis.

      Incidentally they also don't care what you want. You might not find it acceptable but Microsoft has enough money and government favor that they simply don't HAVE to care what you want. They could plaster Windows 10 with ads from top to bottom and there wouldn't be a precious thing that you could do about it.

      Don't believe me? Try calling up Microsoft's support number/numbers and telling the first agent you speak with that you'll be dumping Windows 10 entirely due to the privacy issues. Lie and tell them you're going to buy a Mac if you want. See how far it gets you. They couldn't give less of a shit if their assholes were stapled shut.

    5. Re:What is the business model again? by StormReaver · · Score: 1

      Microsoft don't seem to know.

      Au contraire. Microsoft knows full well. It's an expensive Sadism & Masochism platform where you pay to be abused.

      You will bend over, get anal-raped with a spintered stick, and beg profusely for a larger bat. That has always been the mindset of Microsoft customers. But for some reason, they think that a gaping huge butt hole is somehow normal, and that a normal sized sphincter is a sign of a crazy person who hates Microsoft for being "successful". They think that if they just give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt, the company will somehow change its practices.

      Read my lips: it...will...never...happen.

      I was abused by Microsoft between 1991 and 1999, and I behaved as though the abuse was unavoidable. I was introduced to Linux in 1993, flirted with it until 1999, and then was saved by it sometime that year. That was when I realized how a computing partner was supposed to treat me. It has helped me with my work, rather than generating mountains of it, and has kept me safe.

    6. Re:What is the business model again? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      Given the history of MS, it won't matter if you paid for 10 or not, you're getting ads. Just like it didn't matter if you paid for 10 or not, you can't tell it when to update or not.

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    7. Re:What is the business model again? by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      They know full well, you don't. The "free" version of the OS is for people to be exploited for ad revenue. The "pro" version of the OS is to exploit businesses who are worried about the information that might be leaking out to Microsoft on a constant basis.

      Incidentally they also don't care what you want. You might not find it acceptable but Microsoft has enough money and government favor that they simply don't HAVE to care what you want. They could plaster Windows 10 with ads from top to bottom and there wouldn't be a precious thing that you could do about it.

      It is irrelevant what Microsoft thinks, how much they "care" or what they believe they can get away with.

      All Microsoft needs to do is continue to create sufficient market incentive for credible alternatives to Windows. The rest will sort itself out.

    8. Re:What is the business model again? by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1

      Simple: The ONLY way to win with Microsoft is to NOT USE anything Microsoft...

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    9. Re:What is the business model again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kinda like the WOPER computer in the movie war games says:
      "Strange game, the only winning move is not to play"
      Same thing with M$ and Windows 10!

    10. Re:What is the business model again? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Windows 10 Pro is not what I'd call a professional version. It's like the home version with some added features, including more control over mandatory updates. You have to go to Windows 10 Enterprise for that.

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  10. Re:TANSTAAFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody wants to use it in the first place, you fucking idiot asshole. They're shoving OneDrive down people's throats as part of an operating system they paid for, and making it hard to disable it. Then it whines at you.

  11. Apple by countach · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Say what you want about Apple, but they would never do shit like this.

    1. Re:Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, but their BS is at the same level if not higher in other areas.

    2. Re:Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Say what you want about Apple, but they would never do shit like this.

      "Never" is a very long time indeed.

    3. Re:Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every time I open Mail on my Mac it pops up a complaint because I haven't enabled iCloud syncing. If you don't think Apple does shit just like this it's only because you have already accepted Apple's version.

    4. Re:Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Say what you want about Apple, but they would never do shit like this.

      Not true, practically every time I start chrome up pops an advert for safari, even though I have disabled every "notification" setting I can find.

    5. Re:Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Say what you want about Apple, but they do not do shit like this YET.

      FTFY

    6. Re:Apple by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Every time I open Mail on my Mac it pops up a complaint because I haven't enabled iCloud syncing. If you don't think Apple does shit just like this it's only because you have already accepted Apple's version.

      Mebbe do a little research? You can get rid of that.

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    7. Re:Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give them time, im sure they will at some point.

    8. Re:Apple by geek · · Score: 5, Informative

      Say what you want about Apple, but they would never do shit like this.

      You mean like Apple Music constantly asking me to subscribe when I just want to play a local music file on my phone? Or the constant nagging to enable icloud services?

      When you're given an OS or OS update for free, expect upselling.

    9. Re:Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every time I open Mail on my Mac it pops up a complaint because I haven't enabled iCloud syncing. If you don't think Apple does shit just like this it's only because you have already accepted Apple's version.

      Mebbe do a little research? You can get rid of that.

      WTF are you talking about -- every answer I've seen tells users who have chosen to use iCloud how to make requests to re-login go away and every answer says some variation of "just login to iCloud again." Which is completely useless for people who do not want every damn thing on their Mac syncing data up into a cloud service.

    10. Re:Apple by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      WTF are you talking about -- every answer I've seen tells users who have chosen to use iCloud how to make requests to re-login go away and every answer says some variation of "just login to iCloud again." Which is completely useless for people who do not want every damn thing on their Mac syncing data up into a cloud service.

      I'm talking about I don't get any notifications about iCloud, nor do I use it. Enjoy it since for some reason, it is impossible to be rid of.

      For you.

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    11. Re:Apple by Andreas+Mayer · · Score: 1

      Say what you want about Apple, but they would never do shit like this.

      Not true, practically every time I start chrome up pops an advert for safari, even though I have disabled every "notification" setting I can find.

      I have never seen this. Do you have screenshot?

    12. Re:Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Desktop, he's talking about desktop OS.

      ANY mobile device will upsell you storage or streaming services, because of the limited storage on said device. ANY mobile OS will. ANY.
      any.

    13. Re:Apple by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      But ... it's the same problem. Sure you can hack your way into a relatively clean install of Win 10 (or anything else for that matter) if you hang out on forums, ask questions, poke around and spend the time.

      The point is - you shouldn't have to.

      Oh well,

      Sic Transit Gloria Mundi - Tuesday is usually worse.

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    14. Re:Apple by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Say what you want about Apple, but they do not do shit like this YET.

      FTFY

      No, Apple won't be quite that crass. They are pretty obnoxious about logging into iCloud. And the debacle that is you-really-can't-get-away-from -Photo suggests that they're working on it in a different fashion.

      The days of an OS just going away to allow you to get work done appear to be one of those tales your grandpa will tell you.

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      Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
    15. Re:Apple by mbourgon · · Score: 2

      For the Apple Music thing, I had the same thing happen - I suspect it was reenabled as part of an iOS update.

      Go into Settings - > Music -> Show Apple Music. That should fix it.

      --
      "Sometimes a woman is a kind of religion, she can save your soul & set you free from all your sins" - Bad Examples
    16. Re:Apple by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      Say what you want about Apple, but they would never do shit like this.

      Back when QuickTime was a required plugin for the Internet, before you knew it on your Windows PC, they had shoveled Safari and iTunes into what was supposed to be a "security update".

    17. Re:Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes it is tough, so many Linux distros are also upselling.... oh wait they don't upsell? hmmm.

      Captcha: reared
      Reared its ugly head.

  12. ugg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i really disliked how "baked in" one drive was if you want a different or no cloud. its one of those things that should be more adon even if installed by default.

  13. Ads everywhere by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Funny

    Leela: Didn't you have ads in the 21st century?
    Fry: Well sure, but not in our dreams. Only on TV and radio, and in magazines, and movies, and at ball games... and on buses and milk cartons and t-shirts, and bananas and written on the sky, and in Facebook and Windows 10 File Explorer. But not in dreams, no siree.

    --
    #DeleteFacebook
    1. Re:Ads everywhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come to think about it, it's weird that Leela would ask Fry about the 21st century, as he experienced only 5 seconds of it, tops, before he was frozen. Fry's a late-20th century guy.

    2. Re:Ads everywhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was never in the 21st century. That happened on 1/1/2001, not 1/1/2000.

      https://www.timeanddate.com/counters/mil2000.html

  14. Also only wear Nike shoes... by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 5, Funny

    Here's some more tips to improve your career chances -

      - don't forget to learn all about football so you can fit in round the water cooler.
      - it doesn't hurt if you can at least pretend to like the same cookie cutter women as everyone else so you can join in the wolf whistles
      - on social occasions only drink branded beers. A whisky chaser is OK, but cocktails are definitely out
      - acceptable hobbies are 5 a side football, jogging and perhaps martial arts (but nothing obscure - stick to karate or kick boxing)
      - only wimps do lunch. A sandwich at your desk is ok
      - remember to always put down work colleagues, especially if the boss is around
      - the boss is always right and will respect you telling him so

    1. Re:Also only wear Nike shoes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 fucking AWESOME!

  15. Just Trust Us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep, right, Mr. Nadella.

  16. Almost had me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I need a new computer. I'm just about to bite the bullet and do it, Win10 and all (games).

    And then this comes out. Every time I'm about to do it, Microsoft pulls some new underhanded bullshit.

    Seriously? I'm talking about shelling out _actual money_ for Win10 (I build my own PCs) and then this comes along?

    I think I might let my old box limp along a few more years (decades?) until Linux gaming is workable.

    1. Re:Almost had me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just have a separate drive for only windows and games.

    2. Re:Almost had me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get compatible Windows 7 hardware and you are good to go, Asus Z170 will work well and its fast.

    3. Re:Almost had me by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      Get compatible Windows 7 hardware and you are good to go, Asus Z170 will work well and its fast.

      Even God forbid Win 8.1 isn't too bad if you get Classic Shell.

      It took Windows 10 to make Windows 8.1 look like a really good option. Only downside is marketshare is small compared to 7 (great for old hardware) and 10 (only going to get bigger.)

  17. Slashdot poll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A slashdot poll should be made concerning whether we like the new Slashdot theme or not.

    I personally think it is like invisible in a bad manner. It's harder to navigate.

    1. Re:Slashdot poll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Other than not being able to visit this place without adblockers and a hosts file, what theme?

  18. Re:TANSTAAFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So sorry, we do not provide that option.

  19. Win win for me by Chewbacon · · Score: 1

    If I turn off sync notifications, onedrive, which I don't use, will stop bugging me completely?

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    Chewbacon
    The Bible is like Wikipedia: written by a bunch of people and verifiable by questionable sources.
    1. Re:Win win for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I turn off sync notifications, onedrive, which I don't use, will stop bugging me completely?

      until it has an update that turns them back on by default

  20. simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    don't use onedrive. you can then turn off all the sync stupidity and then miss out on the ads for something you aren't using.

    then research how to delete it from the system. so much baked in stuff that is unused and not needed.

  21. My solution has 0 drawbacks. by fishscene · · Score: 1

    Just use another cloud provider or NextCloud. Then you can disable notifications with 0 drawbacks.

    1. Re:My solution has 0 drawbacks. by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      Why is it that advertisers insist on showing me ads for products that I already use?

    2. Re:My solution has 0 drawbacks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are flexing their "I know you" muscle.

  22. The anti-telemetry market. by geekmux · · Score: 2

    "...Note that while this should disable the OneDrive ads, it will also stop you from seeing potentially important notifications from OneDrive.

    Er, important notifications?

    If I don't intend to use OneDrive at all, I'd love to know what the true impact is of disabling yet another advertising "feature".

    With the amount of shit going on with this OS, I can already see a market for a dedicated corporate firewall appliance that updates its anti-telemetry ruleset about as often as an A/V signatures.

    1. Re:The anti-telemetry market. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can disable and remove it as well as other bundled apps. W10Privacy app can automate a lot of that for you, and block most telemetry shit for you as well.

  23. Re: TANSTAAFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "potentially important notifications from OneDrive"

    There ain't no such thing.

  24. Onedrive breaks LOCAL file access by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I had to uninstall one drive for multiple clients yesterday because every time they tried to open a local file they received 'the file is corrupt' due to issues with microsoft's cloud.

    Just exiting wasn't a good enough solution to the problem.

    When the addons break LOCAL functionality when there are issues with the cloud - that's just ridiculous.

  25. But by kilodelta · · Score: 1

    It all depends on being able to connect to Bing. And if one blocks bing at the physical level oh well.

  26. The important question is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why haven't people uninstalled this shitty malware from their computers yet? How badly do you need to be fucked by Satya before you realize what's happening?

  27. Re:TANSTAAFL by RavenLrD20k · · Score: 1

    If they ever come out with Windows 10 Vacuum Edition, I'm sure it won't suck.

  28. And Nothing of Value was Lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...it will also stop you from seeing potentially important notifications from OneDrive.

    Since I have not, do not, and will not ever use OneDrive, there is no such thing as "important notifications from OneDrive." So, absolutely no downsides beyond the ones implicit in using Windows 10 at all.

  29. What a complete mess. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows 10 is a clusterf**k.

    I am so happy with my Windows 7.

  30. If you didn't pay for it... by xession · · Score: 0

    ...then what do you expect?

    Now, are these same ads in the version people have paid for? If that is the case, then they have a much more serious reason to complain, especially if this is happening on business computers.

    I guess you could always still not buy windows 7 and be ad-free again like the rest of us.

    1. Re:If you didn't pay for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did, back before it got this bad. Bastards should refund my money for bait and switch.

      All it really did in the end was force me to make Linux my full-time system. I will not ever be a Microsoft customer ever again. Life long ban in my household.

  31. But I already have that... by Brukenet · · Score: 1

    I saw the ad this morning and was confused. I already have Office 365 installed and I have 10 TB of storage (which they keep telling me they will restrict to just 1 TB but it hasn't happened yet). Why show me an ad for something that I already own? I'm using a Microsoft account and it's installed on this system... they have to know that I already have it but they just don't care. The only thing holding me to Windows at this point is Unity 3D. If they get a good linux build for that then it's Debian all the way for me.

  32. What Important Notifications? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So if I turn off the advertisements, I miss important notifications from OneDrive. The only people that this would be a problem for, are those who are already using OneDrive. In which case.. why is Microsoft showing advertisements for OneDrive to people already using OneDrive? It's like they're trying to make people stop using OneDrive.

  33. Never seen one of those adds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've never seen one of those adds, but then again I use directory opus.

  34. I don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been running W10 Pro since early last year. I never get baked in ads. I never get unpleasant updates that change my settings. When the Anniversary update installed, I rolled back because it broke the task bar and have not had any issues other than that. Guess I'm a snowflake.

  35. Re: Targeted ads by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    I usually don't mind targeted ads, but blanket ads are terrible. That being said, I went to G2A to see if they still seemed to be behaving like scum (they do) and got shown G2A ads for awhile.

  36. I wish that was it by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

    ...but they've also been spamming the damned taskbar with ads for Edge lately. If you try to fire up Firefox or Chrome, there's a good chance an ad will appear just above the taskbar Edge icon, about the same size and shape as a window preview, claiming that Edge is faster and/or more secure than {Chrome|Firefox}.

    That is seriously pissing me off, as you have to close the ad to get it to go away.

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    You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
    1. Re:I wish that was it by Mozai · · Score: 1

      Is it possible to use Windows 10 without the taskbar? When I had to use company-issued windows workstations, I'd get slowed down by the explorer.exe crashes that would demolish not just the file manager but also the desktop shell, so I replaced the shell with something else like Litestep or Blackbox (bb4win or bblean). I think the registry key to change was SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon\Shell ?

    2. Re:I wish that was it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it possible to use Windows 10 without the taskbar?

      It's certainly possible to remove Edge from the taskbar. Consequently I've never had any advertising above the taskbar Edge icon.

    3. Re:I wish that was it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've read that those ads appear when you have Edge pinned to the taskbar. Try unpinning Edge and see if that gets rid of the ads.

    4. Re:I wish that was it by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      ...but they've also been spamming the damned taskbar with ads for Edge lately.

      A feature that obeys the setting you set to not show ads on the start menu. Seriously just fix your damn settings. There is no spamming to people who don't want to be spammed. No need for a registry hack, some obscure right clickery, just click the window thingy, click the gear thingy, click personalisation, click start, and turn off the setting to show suggestions.

      It really isn't very difficult.

    5. Re:I wish that was it by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      Jesus H FUCKING CHRIST on a UNICYCLE, you're saying it's MY FAULT because there's a setting somewhere that I've never heard of, have NO REASON WHATSOEVER to think exists, and have never seen, and apparently has a label that does not in any way imply it's actually the DO NOT SHOW ADS ON THE TASKBAR button, and I've never unset it?

      Here's an idea, if that setting does exist, perhaps it shouldn't be checked by default, given nobody in their right mind wants this feature?

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      You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
    6. Re:I wish that was it by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Oh, and just to follow up, it's not even on. That's right, I never set it to begin with. It's not set on my home PC, and it's not only unset but grayed out on my work PC. So this ever so helpful setting that doesn't actually say it's about unsetting ads on the taskbar, that's a setting under Start, but apparently is about showing ads on the taskbar, doesn't even stop ads from being shown on the taskbar.

      --
      You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
    7. Re:I wish that was it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is irritating, but so its Google.com spamming me with adverts for Chrome. I'm happy with Edge, thank you.

      Don't really know which is worse; but I damn well wish they would both stop.

    8. Re:I wish that was it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, no, no, you don't see. What's important here is how smart thegarbz is and how much he knows and how dumb you are. Criticizing large corporations who have huge amounts of money and power pales in comparison to that most important of goals.

      Also, based on your other reply, factual accuracy is also unimportant. thegarbz wants you to know how dumb you are. That's the point of the comments section.

    9. Re:I wish that was it by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Nope, I'm saying it's your fault for not doing basic research about something that is "pissing you off" and you need to "close it to make it go away".

      There's another way to prevent it from even occurring. Not figuring this out is your fault, doubly so since it was covered on Slashdot.

    10. Re:I wish that was it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, being too lazy to check the help features to see if you could turn off something you don't like is your fault. Just like if you bitch about your hazard lights always blinking while you drive when not realizing you can turn them off. Learned helplessness is a thing and something you seem to have mastered.

      People like you are why UIs keep getting dumbed down.

    11. Re:I wish that was it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      emerge desktop has worked from xp to 7, not sure about 8 or 10. its not bug free, but even so its better than that dipshit task/start bar

    12. Re:I wish that was it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet, you don't give this magic setting and spend MORE words being a dick to your parent. A better reply would have been a solution or a link.

      Here's an idea... you couldn't find one either. Maybe you should fix your damn settings search ability. There is no searches to people who don't want to search.

    13. Re:I wish that was it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Repeat after me: Defaults matter.

      Power users don't. You are probably a power user.

    14. Re:I wish that was it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the point? They'll just turn the setting back on for you in a subsequent "important security update."

  37. Directory Opus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Switch to directory Opus and don't worry about it. (And be more productive at the same time).

    http://www.gpsoft.com.au/

  38. The one thing they didn't advertise by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    I must have been going through a rough patch when news of the opening of the "Facebook equivalent" hit Slashdot, but I heard nary a peep about it out of Microsoft. No wonder nobody used it.

    1. Re:The one thing they didn't advertise by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1
  39. Insider builds currently? by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Maybe it's only on Insider builds at the moment? I'm on an Insider build and it's there.

  40. Q-Dir by thegreatbob · · Score: 1

    Might I recommend Q-Dir as a possible general purpose explorer alternative.
    http://www.softwareok.com/?sei...
    If you like multi-pane file managers a la Norton Commander or Midnight Commander, you might enjoy this. Not open source, but it does appear to be unencumbered freeware.

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    There is no XUL, only WebExtensions...
    1. Re:Q-Dir by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      For the Authentic Text interface experience, I like Far Manager which is under a modified BSD licence.

  41. Even Google doesn't do this by SIGBUS · · Score: 1

    For all the "but Google!" BS, on Android I've never been spammed on my home screen or in apps that are a part of basic phone functionality. Any of the ad-supported apps I've installed are upfront about it.

    The more I read about Windows 10's bullshit, the more I'm glad I dodged that bullet. When Windows 7 dies, my last Windows partitions will get nuked or else isolated from the net. I already run Ubuntu+Cinnamon on my important desktops.

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    Oh, no! You have walked into the slavering fangs of a lurking grue!
  42. Re:TANSTAAFL by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Yup. How's a hoover like a PC running Win10?

    Turn them on and they'll suck.

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    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  43. The cloud you say? NO Way. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only a fool gives over his proprietary data to big corporations that claim a permanent unrestricted license to it. If you use the cloud you are giving them something for nothing. Easy access woohoo, won't help you when they send you takedown notices for your own content.

  44. Re:TANSTAAFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Turn them on and they'll suck.

    Tell that to my girlfriend...

  45. MicroShit by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    "Windows 10, the most advanced advertising system, errr, I mean "operating system" we've ever released!"

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    Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
  46. that could be bad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "it will also stop you from seeing potentially important notifications from OneDrive."
    Then how will you know for sure that the NSA has copied your files?

  47. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft isn't desperate for ad money. So why the ads? They should design their OS in such a way that people want to use it.

  48. rofl... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    good ole m$...

  49. windows is fucking awful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I feel sad for people who can't afford macs, but i guess there's always linux.

  50. Android, too by thomn8r · · Score: 2

    I just bought a Samsung tablet, which had Orifice bloatware pre-installed on it - it keeps spamming me about OneDrive as well

    1. Re:Android, too by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      2007: Linux is a far better OS. You buy Windows and it doesn't even come with Office.
      2017: My Samsung tablet came with Office. OMG THE BLOAT!

    2. Re:Android, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your comparison is disingenuous on many levels. In 2007 your desktop pc didn't run on a 16gb drive with barely any remaining space for installing software. In 2007 Microsoft's ram requirements for Office was 256mb of ram minimum, and 512 recommended. Microsoft Word for Android, which has far less features than any real Office software from 2007 had, requires 1gb of ram to even work at all.

      Yes, this is bloatware. Crawl back to your microsoft marketing division hole and suck some more bill cock.

  51. Miscreant-o-soft == ASSHOLES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you allow Windows on your computer anymore, you are relinquishing ownership of it to Microsoft. Take back ownership of your computer TODAY, install Linux.

  52. Classic Shell. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Win 7 to Win10 support.

    Versions up to 3.9.0 were open source (later versions no longer are due to code poaching sadly.)

    Provides all the class start menu looks plus the Win9x/NT4/2K taskbar stylings.

    Not 100 percent positive it gets rid of the ads, but I don't remember seeing them the one or two times I trialled Win10 with it.

  53. Microsoft managed to merge Addware, Spyware, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Malware and Bloatware into one OS. I must commend them on a job well done. I only use Debian Linux now because of this, except Windows 7 on my gaming computer because of this. Upgrade to Windows 10, it is better they say. All that I can tell is that it adds a tablet UI (read ugly and unusable) with a windows store so they can sell you crap, creating an add ware enabled bloated operating system that spy's on you. Oh and it is now a service so all the updates that break "the service" are now forced down your throat. Windows, because a big corporation thinks that their is a way to pick up a turd from the clean end.

  54. Re:TANSTAAFL by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

    Turn them on and they'll suck.

    Tell that to my girlfriend...

    It sounds like you don't know how to turn her on.

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  55. Re:TANSTAAFL by iampiti · · Score: 2

    Yep, I also want to pay to get a decent Win 10 version as I paid my Win 7 license a few years ago.
    I do NOT want a free lunch, I want a nice OS and I'm willing to pay for it. Sadly, Microsoft is no longer interested in selling a nice version of Windows to people. Also, while they may tweak a few things now and then it's pretty clear what I want from Windows (basically an updated version of 7, with an UI adapted to mouse usage, no ads, no forced Microsoft services and no spying) is fundamentally opposed to want Ms seem to wan from 10 so a "nice" version of 10 will never happen.

  56. completely incorrect by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    "OneDrive is baked into Windows 10 and can't easily be uninstalled"
    Actually it's under programs and features now and can be uninstalled in seconds.

    1. Re:completely incorrect by qubezz · · Score: 1

      OneDrive no longer can be uninstalled. It takes admin powershell commands to evict it. There is a new "connect" feature added that can neither be removed with dism or powershell, though. There are several new services, redundant services protecting themselves with randomized names. If you had any customizations, they are toast every time Windows 10 updates, because Microsoft broke the diff updater and now reinstall the whole 4GB OS and "copy" your profile when you update, losing every customization you may have made under the hood. An absolute shit show of an OS.

  57. Sorry state of computing today by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

    I'm at the point where I'm now just exhausted from seeing news like this, which is probably what they've been trying to accomplish in the first place.

    Our choices are:

    Use Google's os and get fucked over for privacy. The lackluster choices for decent desktop applications means that Chromebooks continue to be nothing more than glorified physical web browsers that are useless without always-on internet, for the foreseeable future.

    Use Microsoft's OS and get even more fucked over by privacy, cause they can siphon literally anything off of your hard drive without your by or leave. They also force advertising into your OS, which is especially offensive since the average person *must* run Windows 10 because they don't have any other choice, especially for games. And if THAT wasn't bad enough, Microsoft is such a lousy track record for updates, that there are better than even odds that some update they push (which you have zero control over), will completely hose your system. So from one day to the next your computer can break due to no fault of your own.

    Use Apple's OS, which out of the bunch, is actually surprisingly good, at least as far as privacy is concerned. I'm biased, but (as a casual gamer) I consider MacOS to be the best of the bunch because it's very easy for non-tech savvy users, while still giving you a whole lot of power if you want it. You actually have the option of turning stuff off, and Apple actually honours those settings. You can have as much or as little control of the OS as you want (and by control, I mean stuff that's actually important. I don't consider arbitrarily changing the colour of your menu bar background to be important). HOWEVER, they completely and shamelessly take the utter piss out of their hardware, charging a stupid amount of money for what they give you while giving you ZERO control over it. They seem to think a $4000 computer is a disposable appliance like a toaster, and if you don't like it... well... fuck you.

    Use Linux, and have complete control of the OS, but the level of maintenance and knowledge required (even today in 2017), is still several levels beyond any other OS, with no guarantees that even basic functionality that you take for granted in other systems will work. While improving, general driver support is still dubious, and you may as well forget about using the latest shiny if it uses a new chipset. Desktop software ubiquitous in other OSes flat out don't exist, and the OSS equivalents are... lets be honest here... crap. Even 'flagship' software like Evolution is inexplicably lacking so much polish, that you start to wonder why you bothered to install Linux in the first place.

    So yeah... having seen computer history unfold over the last few decades, it honestly seems like things are getting worse, without any sign of that trend changing.

    1. Re:Sorry state of computing today by Joshs922 · · Score: 2

      They seem to think a $4000 computer is a disposable appliance like a toaster, and if you don't like it... well......

      This is true, and well said.

      Use Linux, and have complete control of the OS, but the level of maintenance and knowledge required (even today in 2017), is still several levels beyond any other OS, with no guarantees that even basic functionality that you take for granted in other systems will work. While improving, general driver support is still dubious, and you may as well forget about using the latest shiny if it uses a new chipset. Desktop software ubiquitous in other OSes flat out don't exist, and the OSS equivalents are... lets be honest here... crap. Even 'flagship' software like Evolution is inexplicably lacking so much polish, that you start to wonder why you bothered to install Linux in the first place.

      So yeah... having seen computer history unfold over the last few decades, it honestly seems like things are getting worse, without any sign of that trend changing.

      This is not true. I have been running Linux for years now (mostly Debian and derivatives) and there is virtually no maintenance involved. Knowledge? I have one of my co-workers running an Ubuntu laptop from System76 and he does everything he needs with no problems. I have my sister and niece on a laptop running Debian with LXDE and they have no trouble. Both of these people called me last week asking "How do I hook up my printer on this Linux thing?" I said, plug it in and off you go. Both of them did and were amazed at how easy it was. The one was a wireless printer. It just found it and set it up automatically. So far, there hasn't been a single thing either has not been able to do easily... although I did have to help my co-worker install some streaming media codecs.. but even Windows users run into stuff like that.

    2. Re:Sorry state of computing today by Joshs922 · · Score: 1

      Even 'flagship' software like Evolution is inexplicably lacking so much polish, that you start to wonder why you bothered to install Linux in the first place.

      So yeah... having seen computer history unfold over the last few decades, it honestly seems like things are getting worse, without any sign of that trend changing.

      Evolution has always been buggy. Use Thunderbird or the KDE PIM suite. (Kmail, Kontact, Korganizer, etc).

    3. Re:Sorry state of computing today by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

      That's the thing though... It's at a point now where it works just fine for basic use cases like that, but as soon as you try to get slightly more complicated, then boom. Taking so much as a single step outside the average distro's simple use cases is almost guaranteed to require you to start editing config files, or doing all sorts of other esoteric contortions.

      I have a Linux box at home that I am using as a Kodi box. One distro, come hell or high water, wouldn't let me configure 5.1 sound through the SPDIF port to my receiver. Another wouldn't allow me to configure a monitor and my projector as extended displays without wierd-ass issues like VLC only full-screening to the tiny monitor and not to the projector display. I eventually gave up and just used the project alone cause I drew the line at having to manually futz with my xorg.conf. In 2017, there is no acceptable reason for me to resort to that.

      At work I tried to move from a Mac to a Linux desktop. I tried almost every mail client available in the distro repo, and every single one of them failed to function in a fundamental way. If I wanted to just respond to basic email, sylpheed or even pine would be good enough. But I need to write and respond to HTML-based emails. I want to pull contacts from our Active Directory or from a carddav server. I want to sync my calendar with our caldav server. Nope. Trying to get any of those things set up is like pulling all the teeth of a shark in the middle of a feeding frenzy.

      With LibreOffice, it couldn't even do it's most basic OpenGL presentation transitions, let alone produce something as polished as Powerpoint or Keynote. Hell, I'd use Prezi for a presentation before I used LibreOffice.

      And this doesn't count the *myriad* bizarre little issues I ran into, like having the lock screen display whatever was last on my screen instead of blanking it, only to lock and blank *after* I wiggled my mouse and start typing. The most unbelievable thing of all.... I couldn't add an arbitrary program I downloaded to my programs menu! I had to manually construct a .desktop file from scratch, and sudo mv it to /usr/share. I mean, seriously??

      These kinds of things should Just Work(tm), without question, without fiddling, without excuses. I no longer remember all the different and varied annoyances I ran into, but there were a lot of them. The above examples were just off the top of my head that I could remember.

      It's one thing to put your sysadmin hat on because you're doing something even sightly complex, like configuring domain connectivity. That's fine. But for basic use cases that the average business user would perform... Linux is simply not robust and polished enough. I'm sorry, but it just isn't.

    4. Re:Sorry state of computing today by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

      Thunderbird is fugly, and cumbersome. I can't remember for sure anymore, but I think there were issues trying to get it to connect to LDAP and CalDAV as well.

      Regardless, it doesn't matter. I've bit the bullet and gone back to Mac cause I have work to do and Linux was getting more in my way than helping me get my job done.

    5. Re:Sorry state of computing today by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      Strange. I've used Ubuntu for quite a few years, and found it excellent for someone who wants a Unixy environment and doesn't want to put in system admin work. I've found the desktop software available to fully suit my needs.

      YMMV, of course, and the fact that I've been using Ubuntu doesn't mean other distros aren't just as good or better. (As I implied earlier, I'm kinda lazy, and haven't tried others).

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  58. Re:TANSTAAFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If you're using a a "free" service

    1. Windows 10 hasn't been free in almost a year. It's still possible to get it free if you're disabled (or a liar), but for the general public, the free offer ended July 29 2016 and Windows 10 costs money.

    2. Linux is free and doesn't show me any ads.

  59. Re:TANSTAAFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Windows 10 Enterprise N LTSB" I have this running in a VM and it doesn't suck, though getting it activated does.

  60. Re:TANSTAAFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Running WIndows 10 Enterprise. It's basically the good version of Windows.

  61. GOOD! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you are still using Windows 10 after all the terrible shit that's already come, you have earned this.

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    1. Re:GOOD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 insightful

    2. Re:GOOD! by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      In general, the games I want to play are not available on other OSes, and I have to run Visual Studio at work, so I'd rather have the matching software at home. (They give us an MSDN license, so it doesn't cost me anything extra.) My old W7 laptop kinda died, and what they had to replace it with was W10.

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    3. Re:GOOD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop making excuses. You're just embarrassing yourself.

    4. Re:GOOD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This and almost every single complaint about Windows 10 can be resolved with W10Privacy:

      https://www.winprivacy.de/english-home/

    5. Re:GOOD! by Waccoon · · Score: 1

      Linux has been around for over 25 years, IS FREE, and is barely clutching on to 2% desktop market share. That's after the fiascos called Windows 8 and Windows 10. Oh, and the Macintosh market share has gone down as well.

      It's easy to call Windows people idiots, but anyone with half a brain knows the alternatives still have plenty of their own problems and why Windows still has all the support. People don't like Linux. I've been trying to switch to various Linux distros over the last 12 years, and I've always been disappointed.

    6. Re:GOOD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In general, the games I want to play are not available on other OSes, and I have to run Visual Studio at work, so I'd rather have the matching software at home. (They give us an MSDN license, so it doesn't cost me anything extra.) My old W7 laptop kinda died, and what they had to replace it with was W10.

      Bullshit. Visual Studio works perfectly fine on Windows 7.
      And besides cancerous triple A money grabbing bullshit, every game runs on win 7 as well.

    7. Re:GOOD! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      People don't know Linux.

      FTFY. Typical MBAs are stupid and only do things they know instead of exploring other options. The irony is that they save money by dropping Microsoft.

      I've been trying to switch to various Linux distros over the last 12 years, and I've always been disappointed.

      Oh right because "it doesn't have program XYZ and what's the point of life without it?!" "It's not a perfect copy of Windows, what's the point of learning something new?!" "It doesn't support hardware that just came out! I R GAMER GOD! MUST HAFVE NSHITTYA MOTHERBOARD SUPPORT!"

      I understand the excuses and Linux isn't perfect but let's be honest here, it's really just a human problem when it comes to switching.

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    8. Re:GOOD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You say this like most people have a choice. Non-linux users generally have no idea that anything but Windows/Mac even exist, let alone know how to put anything else on it. After the GWX disaster, most users are "upgraded" without their consent anyway. This issue is a problem for everyone, not just power users.

  62. Like Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ohh kind of like how theres about 20 ads on every page of slashdot?

  63. Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know those idiots out there still using Windows XP to surf the web, which Firefox just recently informed us they will stop supporting moving forward?

    That's me a few years from now with Windows 7.

    Life is good for now...

  64. experiment by lq_x_pl · · Score: 1

    I often wonder if Microsoft is really just running an experiment to discover how much garbage users will actually tolerate.
    "Let's say a mobile OS is a desktop OS!"
    "Let's remove the start menu!"
    "Let's make UAC do ridiculous things!"
    "Let's force updates and reboots whenever we want!"
    "Let's dump advertisements in weird places!"

    As an aside, I could probably make a killing by writing an ad-blocker for the OS...

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    1. Re:experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck with that, when even industry grade AV like Kaspersky can be disabled by Win10.

    2. Re:experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I often wonder if Microsoft is really just running an experiment to discover how much garbage users will actually tolerate

      That's what they are doing since 20 years.

  65. Oh noes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "it will also stop you from seeing potentially important notifications from OneDrive."

    Well, fuck. That's ruined my day.

  66. I blow away ads tracking/infecting/slowing U by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Prevention = best medicine (& what u can't touch can't hurt u) via NEW APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-7 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22APK+Hosts+File+Engine%22+and+%22start64%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/

    Ads & malware rob speed/security/privacy

    Hosts add speed (via hardcodes/adblocks), security (vs. bad sites/malware/poisoned dns), reliability (vs. dns down), & anonymity (vs. dns requestlogs/trackers).

    Less power/cpu/ram + IO use vs. DNS/routers/addons/antivirus + less security bugs/complexity & faster vs. addons/routers/remote dns!

    Avoids DNSChangers in routers/IP settings & dns redirects (99.999% of ISP DNS != patched vs. it) + lightens DNS load & resolves faster from local system RAM!

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    APK

    P.S. - Safe https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/e01211ca36aa02e923f20adee0a3c4f5d5187dc65bdf1c997b3da3c2b0745425/analysis/1433430542/

  67. Re:I blow away ads tracking/infecting/slowing U by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This hosts file trick you're suggesting is useless on these types of ad, because Microsoft sites and ads are whitelisted by the Windows OS itself and type of host file can block this. Sorry to burst your bubble.

  68. don't game on linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Playing Windows games in an emulator, whether it's Wine or something else, incurs a performance penalty that I'm not comfortable with. I play mainly 3rd person MMO's and when a raid group is balls to the wall on a boss, any chop is unacceptable. What games are you playing? Original Wolfenstein 3D and Tux Racer?

  69. Who's laughing now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows users said we were paranoid, they mocked us when we warned them, they laughed at us. WHO'S LAUGHING NOW? I AM! HAHAHAHAHAHA!

    I so hope microsoft will continue down this path. Do it MS, just do it, more and moar and MOAR!

  70. Re:TANSTAAFL by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Did. Works as designed.

    Problem seems to be at your end.

    Ticket closed.

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  71. Good thing by LocalH · · Score: 1

    I don't use Explorer. Directory Opus ftw

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  72. Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It only shows up when you're clicked on the "This PC" line. While I don't like it on simple principle, it's hardly "spamming" and it's not occupying any space that I could use for anything, nor is it cluttering it up.

  73. The real story should be by MooseMiester · · Score: 1

    Slash dot refuses to post anything I submit, as I dared submit a few conservative leaning stories.... So I can't submit this.

    The real story IMHO is how badly One Drive does its job, it truly sucks beyond sucking, is dumber than a bag of hammers, etc.. What's worse is that when you complain on their forums you get Microsoft Engineers telling you all these grand fantasies about how it works, and when you counter with actual engineering use cases they ignore you.

    One Drive is not an external drive and it is not cloud storage. It's a shadow volume for selected files and folders that maybe sometimes but not on any schedule maybe makes a copy of files on your desktop that you really can't use on another computer unless you have an insane Internet connection and an SSD. Anyone who is stupid enough to trust this thing for backup will lose data. Your files are "available" on another computer but if you actually USE them the changes don't sync back, and god forbid you try and manually sync. Google One Drive Sync Errors.... So many people have had their critical files ERASED by One Drive.

    I really, really need what One Drive does. And really, this is about as simple as it gets to make it work properly. Only Microsoft could take something this simple, and screw it up this bad. It's even worse than their total inability to have a decent FTP client, or talk to a WebDAV volume - when these technologies have been out for 20 years now.

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