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How The FBI Used Geek Squad To Increase Secret Public Surveillance (ocweekly.com)
In 2011 a gynecology doctor took his computer for repairs at Best Buy's Geek Squad. But the repair technician was a paid FBI informant -- one of several working at Geek Squad -- and the doctor was ultimately charged with possessing child pornography, according to OC Weekly. An anonymous reader quotes their new report:
Recently unsealed records reveal a much more extensive secret relationship than previously known between the FBI and Best Buy's Geek Squad, including evidence the agency trained company technicians on law-enforcement operational tactics, shared lists of targeted citizens and, to covertly increase surveillance of the public, encouraged searches of computers even when unrelated to a customer's request for repairs. Assistant United States Attorney M. Anthony Brown last year labeled allegations of a hidden partnership as "wild speculation." But more than a dozen summaries of FBI memoranda filed inside Orange County's Ronald Reagan Federal Courthouse this month in USA v. Mark Rettenmaier contradict the official line...
Other records show how [Geek Squad supervisor Justin] Meade's job gave him "excellent and frequent" access for "several years" to computers belonging to unwitting Best Buy customers, though agents considered him "underutilized" and wanted him "tasked" to search devices "on a more consistent basis"... evidence demonstrates company employees routinely snooped for the agency, contemplated "writing a software program" specifically to aid the FBI in rifling through its customers' computers without probable cause for any crime that had been committed, and were "under the direction and control of the FBI." The doctor's lawyer argues Best Buy became an unofficial wing of the FBI by offering $500 for every time they found evidence leading to criminal charges.
Other records show how [Geek Squad supervisor Justin] Meade's job gave him "excellent and frequent" access for "several years" to computers belonging to unwitting Best Buy customers, though agents considered him "underutilized" and wanted him "tasked" to search devices "on a more consistent basis"... evidence demonstrates company employees routinely snooped for the agency, contemplated "writing a software program" specifically to aid the FBI in rifling through its customers' computers without probable cause for any crime that had been committed, and were "under the direction and control of the FBI." The doctor's lawyer argues Best Buy became an unofficial wing of the FBI by offering $500 for every time they found evidence leading to criminal charges.
or less?
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I find these prosecutions rather disturbing, as they amount to victimless thought crime.
Yes, there is a child victim, and the story is terrible, but there is no causal connection, and no need to demonstrate one. The child is the victim of a very different crime, by a different person, possibly long ago. In other cases, there may not even be a single child who has suffered, ever. And that makes no difference to the law.
Whats the point of treating it as a criminal problem? It makes about as much sens as the war on drugs.
What does all this achieve? Is there the slightest bit of evidence that our children are any safer for all these destroyed lives from the War on Porn ?
And if it helps you consider the question more objectively, the images themselves were not particularly shocking. Nothing compared to the sex and violence on an average night's TV.
Agent Tracey Riley admitted to U.S. District Court Judge Cormac J. Carney the so-called "Jenny" image found by a Best Buy Geek Squad technician, who doubled as a paid agency informant, "wasn't child pornography by itself."
Riley tried to recover by explaining that the picture, which contains no sex or genital angles, originated from a "well-known" child-pornography video.
Because those geek-squad FBI moles were trained by the FBI and could be considered a direct part of the operation.
If so the evidence could be obtained illegally.
And this is different than narcotic informats - except the geek-squad-moles are considered criminals ;)
Unfortunately, the 4th Amendment only restricts the government. There's nothing restricting your neighbor, a private company, or the employees of a private company from collecting a reward if they happen to notice you doing something illegal.
Which is the same problem with saying that it's only censorship if the government does it, not if private companies do it.
The end-run around the Constitution can be summed up in one terrifying word: Outsourcing.
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Didn't this story run a few months ago? Has it happened again? Has anything changed, or is EditorDavid new?
Unfortunately, the 4th Amendment only restricts the government. There's nothing restricting your neighbor, a private company, or the employees of a private company from collecting a reward if they happen to notice you doing something illegal.
Ah spoken by someone who hasn't a clue and instead starts playing the role of statist apologist. When the government trains, directs, and pays a "private citizen", that person becomes an agent of the government. This makes those persons subject to the same rules; probable cause, warrants, oath or affirmation.. This bit I dug up on nolo.com The admissibility of evidence found by a private citizen usually turns on the government’s “share” of the search. In other words, how involved was the government? While cases where the government ordered or paid a citizen to conduct the search are fairly straightforward, others aren’t. In determining whether to admit the evidence in question, courts consider questions like: whether the government initiated the search how much control the government had over the private citizen who conducted the search, and what the private citizen’s purpose was in conducting the search. And what was the FBI doing? Oh yeah... paying them..training them...giving them lists of people to search extra carefully. You clueless, statist, cocksucking fuck. Now please go back to blowing your J. Edgar Hoover love doll.
This crap has to be illegal.
It's like giving a plumber access to your house to fix a plumbing problem, but then he also goes through the underwear drawer in your little girls bedroom as well as through all of your mail on your desk etc etc. I cannot believe that would be considered legal and I can't believe that what Best Buy is doing should be either..
It isn't censorship if a private entity does it. If they do it at the behest of the government then the line gets blurred and you could reasonably make the argument that they were acting as agents of the state in that instance.
I'm sorry, but after all the tech support jobs I've been at, someone is going to search for *.jpg/gif/png/whatever.
I never have myself, but at every job I've been at, a bored nerd is going to do a random search for pics/porn. It takes 30 seconds when they are spending hours on a computer.
These days, I work for a company that has a long disclosure that people ignore while I read it to them, but the big thing is "if you have shit you don't want us seeing, make a second account with a password that we can use to fix your shit."
Again, I have never done it myself, but I have seen so many colleagues do it that I can only assume it's common over all areas.
"Well kids, you tried your best, and you failed. The lesson is, never try." -Homer Simpson
Which isn't what is happening here it all, so why would you say it?
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
Anyone remember the show "Chuck"? I guess it was closer to the truth than anyone expected.
If only we had some protection against this sort of oppressive Police State intrusion... oh, like, say, the 4th, 5th & 14th amendments to the Constitution of the United States.
Wake up and smell the freedom, please, We the People. Please?
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What would be an interesting investigation would be to install surveillance software onto a computer and bring it in to these repair places such as Best Buy. The reason for bringing it in for repair can be various intentional problems. I would love to see what some of these techs do once they are working on the computer. Interesting observations would be to see if they unnecessarily access files and folders unrelated to the issue. Perhaps create a honeypot folder with apparent home made video or photographic content or with personal financial data etc. perhaps create a file somewhere with websites, usernames and passwords to see if the technicians decide to check them out. I suspect that the issue of unauthorized access to data is widespread.
The employees of a company are on the clock and working for someone else at the same time. That may be actionable.
I love stacking my barbecues in the shed at the end of summer - you can't beat a bit of grill on grill action.
My understanding - from a talk at DefCon by a lawyer - was that once the FBI is aware of what Geek Squad staff are doing, those staff have become agents of the state and therefore require a warrant.
It's "fine" for somebody to look at your drive and inform the authorities if they find something illegal - the government was not aware of what was happening so it's admissable. This changes the moment the government says "thanks for that, let us know if this happens again, by the way here's some cash". They've instructed someone to access private information without a warrant.
Source: https://youtu.be/ibQGWXfWc7c - DEFCON 17: Search And Seizure Explained - They Took My Laptop!
If the government has asked them to do it (for example by offering a reward), then they become agents of the government and the 4th amendment applies.
I'm an American, I've seen how little reason there is and how public discourse has eroded into total pointlessness beginning with the 80, maybe before that...
The psychological definitions which have been around for decades are not even remotely used in the law. The legal definitions are ignorant at best, every man is a pedophile according to US law. Since human sexuality is based upon fertility not age, as soon as a child passes puberty nature indicates adulthood has arrived; this clashes with cultural beliefs (which changed themselves over time... and we only think the last 50 years was "the way always has been.")
Science has been showing and will only get closer to proving that pedophiles are BORN. It's a natural defect just like homosexuality. Furthermore, evidence shows that pedophiles simply have a lower threshold of attraction, they are still into adults. They do not go rape adults anymore than normal - but if they are going to one would assume that they would prefer an easier target. It is not P.C. these days but that is actual reality and eventually science will beat back the SJW. We can not even have a discussion of science in this country - it changes entirely how one views the problem and even if we could get people educated, the public discourse is idiotic just dealing with easy problems. Reality has a way of messing with your ignorant beliefs and people need to toughen up more.
The inability to control one's impulses should be considered an illness (in the most extreme it is.) Rapists must be included. Not a crime; but insanity where "can do harm to themselves or others" is the reason we put them into hospitals in the civilized world (not the USA, we put them in jail with sane people.) If you can't cure a rapist (of adults or children or animals) then they can't be allowed out in society. It is that simple, no need to make distinctions between victims. Sure you lose the comfort of feeling righteous for punishing evil in god's name (which is a form of blasphemy, BTW) but you can feel safer knowing those sick people will not be released having learned better how to not get caught next time.
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Not exactly, but close enough, I'd call it digital rendition. Paying somebody else to collect evidence in a way you can't should be a crime.
I would think they methods they use are really unimportant here, given the level of direct involvement by the FBI here. This is akin to giving a PI a list of names, what to look for, and then paying them if he finds anything.
Geek squad is clearly acting as agent of the FBI here. All evidence should be disallowed due to lack of warrant.
Reward the sort of Geek Squad technician who would work as 'an informant for the FBI' with $500 worth of Cheetos. That would attract a better class of Geek Squad informant. The police cadet wannabe types presently being attracted are obsessed with keeping the greasy orange crumbs off their hands, and as junior martinets can only provide tainted evidence.
These are Geek Squad employees. That's a special subset of the Best Buy operation. Anybody can work at Best Buy, and shilling overpriced 'upgrades' and extended warranties is one thing.
It takes a special sort of employee to drive around in a PT Cruiser with 'Geek Squad' printed on the side. There aren't that many people capable of doing this as a career choice, so unless you approach the Geek Squad countertop at a Best Buy Store (similar in many ways to the 'Genius Bar' at an Apple store) you are safe entering a Best Buy. It's no better or worse than a WalMart or Frys.
A second account won't help one bit as you need to be an admin to install or remove programs and execute repairs and all admins have access to everything.
More importantly, if you have direct access to a system, nothing is safe from anyone capable of using Google.
It seems that way after enough LDS LSD.
Table-ized A.I.
https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2007/sep/07/greatinterviews1
Or maybe this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/us/politics/trump-new-york-times-interview-transcript.html
This entire debate is rife with just-so soup of the day.
Doh! We're a hundred miles down the road into The One True Cause and most people can't even distinguish rate from order.
Time is short. Right?
List of shit I'd like to poke into.
* item
* another item
* many more items
Some item from laundry list comes up in everyday circumstance. That particular item becomes momentarily top of mind. Return home. Ten minutes to kill. What's top of mind? Bingo. That thing that came up around the water cooler that was on your shits and giggles list anyway.
News headline the following day: in recent trends, the BDSM zeitgeist is hot, hot, hot.
No, actually. It just went through a minor flush of suggestibility-sort synchronicity. No kittens were renamed.
What if they actually planted the evidence?!
I am all for catching and stopping child porn.
However, I am also all for catching and stopping illegal invasions of constitutional rights! GET A WARRANT FIRST!!!
Self-importance and self-indulgence is the root of ALL evil.