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Prominent Drupal, PHP Developer Kicked From the Drupal Project Over Unconventional Sex Life (techcrunch.com)
An anonymous Slashdot reader writes: Last week the Drupal community erupted in anger after its leader, Dries Buytaert, asked Larry Garfield, a prominent Drupal contributor and long-time member of the Drupal and PHP communities, "to leave the Drupal project." Buytaert claims he did this "because it came to my attention that he holds views that are in opposition with the values of the Drupal project." A huge furor has erupted in response -- not least because the reason clearly has much to do with Garfield's unconventional sex life. [Garfield is into BDSM, and is a member of the Gorean community, "a community who are interested in, and/or participate in, elaborate sexual subjugation fantasies, in which men are inherently superior to women."] Buytaert made his post (which is now offline) in response after Larry went public, outing himself to public opinion. Buytaert retorted (excerpt available via TechCrunch): "when a highly-visible community member's private views become public, controversial, and disruptive for the project, I must consider the impact [...] all people are created equally. [sic] I cannot in good faith support someone who actively promotes a philosophy that is contrary to this [...] any association with Larry's belief system is inconsistent with our project's goals [...] I recused myself from the Drupal Association's decision [to dismiss Garfield from his conference role] [...] Many have rightfully stated that I haven't made a clear case for the decision [...] I did not make the decision based on the information or beliefs conveyed in Larry's blog post." TechCrunch columnist Jon Evans goes on to "unpack" the questions that naturally arise from these "Code of Conduct conflicts."
It seems like they don't practice what they preach. Sounds like SJW idiocracy. Their security guy must be a real closet case. As in preachy/crazy
Today I learned that Drupal had rules about sex. It must be for a plug-in.
"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
>Buytaert claims he did this "because it came to my attention that he holds views that are in opposition with the values of the Drupal project. [...]in which men are inherently superior to women."]
This is crazy. Who cares about his sex life? Aren't we above that type of thing??? Besides, such role-playing sex fantasy has nothing to do with men being "superior" to women, in fact, it is often the other way around and still has nothing to do with "real life".
This is not a social club or religion, it is a set of computer program tools. It would be difference if his CODING or PROJECT philosophy ran contrary to the the group, because that is actually related to the project. Even then there should be some amount of tolerance.
I abhor some of the political correctness going around, but generally I am intolerant of intolerance. Hopefully others in the Drupal project agree.
It's wrong for (white) men to subjugate women, demean them, or harass them in the office.
Yes, period.
Except if you are into BDSM involving fantasies of sexual slavery of women. Or you're a muslim. Or non-white.
What you do on your own time with willing participants is your deal. Don't assume all, most or many people you interact with are willing participants. Acting out your sex fantasies on strangers usually gets you in trouble, not sure why this would be any different except less trouble.
SJW only allow missionary position, anything else is sinful and displeases misogyny God.
They got Colin Moriarty a couple of weeks ago at Kinda Funny Games too. Trump's election has produced a SJW hysteria where even conventional conservative views are no longer tolerated anywhere in the tech/entertainment industry in particular (or Silicon Valley/Southern California in general). Everyone not fully embracing the SJW agenda is being purged from their jobs. This poor guy got fired just for participating in sex roleplay that the SJW's don't like.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
"when a highly-visible community member's private views become public, controversial, and disruptive for the project, I must consider the impact"
I guess you'll be resigning now then.
What you do on your own time with willing participants is your deal. Don't assume all, most or many people you interact with are willing participants. Acting out your sex fantasies on strangers usually gets you in trouble, not sure why this would be any different except less trouble.
He wasn't fired for talking about his sex life. He was fired because he was participating in sexual roleplay that offended the SJW orthodoxy.
If this guy had been talking about transsexual/gay/bi-sexual BDSM , the same people who fired him would be cheering him on and calling him brave for being so open about it.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
What if a male employee/contributor were into being dominated by women? Would that be OK?
slashdot: A failed experiment.
Binary Solution Set
If Consensual, it's nobody's business but the participants, and certainly not the business of the project.
If Non-Consensual, call the police.
To be outed as a Drupal developer.
You're making some idiotic assumptions about what BDSM is. I'm a female bondage model the shit you're saying is just plain wrong. My girlfriend is also into bondage and nothing we've ever done has involved any of the bullshit you spew.
What's with bringing up minority races? What does that have to do with anything? You wouldn't happen to be a Trump supporter that pretends to not be racist, would you?
Isn't anyone who develops using Drupal or PHP into BSDM?
If this guy had been talking about transsexual/gay/bi-sexual BDSM
Apparently the BDSM rejects such labels as too narrow and arbitrary. LGBTBBQ stuuf doesn't even register on the BSDM weird-o-meter. This has actually caused some bad blood between the communities.
"Why can't you support the gay cause? Don't you know how much we suffer?"
"Oh? You think you know suffering?"
Dibs on the popcorn franchise.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
The URL above is incorrect. Buytaert's response is here:
http://buytaert.net/living-our...
Gor is both a lifestyle and a philosophy to some. To others it's just a way to enjoy BDSM or power exchange sex play. It's founded on a set of books written by John Norman that state repeatedly that pretty much all women secretly want to be enslaved and brutally raped by a Real Man. This is at direct odds with the "Safe, Sane Consensual" rule espoused by most power exchange communities. To truly and deeply participate in a Gorean lifestyle is to utterly disavow gender equality, at least in those circles.
If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
Most BDSM practitioners align "SJW". These are conservative values that kicked him out.
Well, on the bright side, this tells me to stay far, far away from the Drupal project and anything it produces. They're far more interested in pushing their political agenda (or virtue signalling, at least) than putting out quality software, which is a rather massive strike against trusting their code, particularly in an era where security is so important and many are willing to go to extreme lengths to achieve their political goals.
Why the fuck would I care about a developer's sex life? Who gives a shit how he fucks as long as he doesn't fuck up the code he delivers?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I remember the days when it was republicans and conservatives discriminating against people because of their sexual preferences.
So the guy's a pervert: does that mean his code quit working? Is he trying to fuck other contributors? Has he done anything to anyone without their consent?
I've worked with plenty of people in my time who are into things that I don't approve of, from voting for socialists to trying to be Heinlein characters, but if they don't bring it to the office, it's none of my business. That goes double for an open-source project where they're donating their work.
Enough with the goddamned neo-puritans. There's work to be done, for fuck's sake.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
If he wasn't attempting to impose his preferences and was instead having a sex life with consenting partners and a consenting community, what business is it of the project or Buytaert?
There's a whole world of sexual preferences out there that may or may not offend some part of the community. Furries? Diapers/"adult infants?" Feet? Dominance/Submission (which I think is distinct from BDSM)? Homosexuality? Poly?
Heck, I'm not into that BDSM and even I know that there are wide variations even in the BDSM community, some of which Buytaert probably wouldn't even care about. Just offhand I know that there are people into spanking, piercings/body mods (is this tied in?), rope bondage, and probably things I've never heard of or considered along with the "traditional" portrayal of BDSM with restraints and floggers, crops etc.
I'm a vanilla white boy from the midwestern suburbs, but I'm pretty sure that taken as a whole those "alternative sexuality" communities are overall much more accepting of kinks (YKIOKBINMK) and also more sensitive to people being coerced or (involuntarily) mistreated than almost all of the Good Citizens that I went to High School with.
(YKIOKBINMK = Your Kink Is OK But Is Not My Kink)
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just a little off
There is also a gap in what a persons fantasy life is vs what they publicly say and do. Ones fantasy life may not be inline with their own values. I am sure most of us has some sexual fetish that others will find distasteful. And we well know if we fully try to find our fantasy it will be just impractical.
This is the problem on spying on people and digging up dirt on them. They find something then extrapolate an intention that isn't based on reality.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Is it? Suppose, he was into homo rather than heterosexual subjugation... Do you suppose, they would've banished him just as well — even if he were open about it?
Sorry, short forum posts don't lend themselves to nuances - I meant fair game for people knowing. If you choose to make it public you do so aware of how society might react (regardless of the wrongs and rights of the reaction), but in this case it sounds like he was "outed" against his will.
Sigs are so 1990s. No way would I be seen dead with one.
Except he was outed by a few SJWs in the Drupal community. They referred to his profile, which was on an account required private server as evidence that he was 'a bad man'. He was accused of being sexist and discriminatory towards women, despite his being an author of the founding rules that said no discrimination based on sex was allowable, and despite female colleagues that worked with him stating that he was helpful and agnostic towards gender, treating everyone equally. This is pure SJW targetting and outing. The SJWs in question should be banned from the community for violating the non-discrimination and harrassment, and right to privacy rules of the Drupal community.