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Russian Arrested in Spain 'Over US Election Hacking' (bbc.com)
Spanish police have arrested a Russian programmer for alleged involvement in "hacking" the US election, BBC reported Monday, citing local press reports. From the report: Pyotr Levashov, arrested on 7 April in Barcelona, has now been remanded in custody. A "legal source" also told the AFP news agency that Mr Levashov was the subject of an extradition request by the US. The request is due to be examined by Spain's national criminal court, the agency added. El Confidencial, a Spanish news website, has said that Mr Levashov's arrest warrant was issued by US authorities over suspected "hacking" that helped Donald Trump's campaign.
Or to word it in a more objective way: over suspected "hacking" that help expose the corruption in Hillary's campaign.
good lord
"Old man yells at systemd"
Trump, not Levashov. Oh fuck it, put 'em in a cell together.
Let's assume they got all the DNC mail and released it. How was that hacking the election? Hacking the election would be changing votes in a database.
If someone finds out that a candidate murders babies, I would prefer they release it...and not be arrested for "hacking the election".
The only way "Hacking" affected the election was that things Hillary and the DNC said in private became public. So I don't think it makes a lot of sense to claim the election was really "hacked", it's just the more you know about what Hilary really thinks the less likely you are to vote for her.
In the same vein every major newspaper was trying for a year or so to "hack" the election with negative stories about Trump, most of which turned out to be false... so that was actually a lot worse than the Russians simply illuminating the truth.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
There was no hacking of the US election. You might not like the results but the american people did that all by themselves.
But of course Trump's shit don't stink, its all roses and dollar signs!
This is identical, except now it was all done with computers. It's not somehow more acceptable because it's Russian hackers. It wasn't acceptable then, it isn't acceptable now.
As an american im always deeply concerned when our witch hunts proceed without so much as a ghoulish evil monster to subject to ye olde tribulations. After this, I suspect the good witch -- whos time it was to be elected to president because she did the mannequin challenge-- will prevail and righteousness will be restored to america.
Good people go to bed earlier.
The biggest hack to support Trump was to put Hillary forward as a candidate.
But her emails
Actually Nixed did not get ousted for having the re-election team break into DNC Headquarters and plant bugs.
Nixon got ousted for covering up the issue after he learned of it. Nixon did not direct it to happen. Nixon covered it up after the fact.
Not even fifteen minutes after the story is posted and already every top post response is Trump supporters spewing crap about the Hillary emails even though they were not mentioned.
I doubt this is about the DNC emails. This is most likely about the social media and email spamming before the election with fake news that might have used stolen state election information.
What? We FINALLY caught the Russians "RED" handed? Game over. The Russians should of kept their hands off the US election. Hillary would of won 90+ of the votes. It is time to Impeach Trump.
If its true, what makes what he did any different than what the USA does all the time in other countries? The difference is that the USA uses missiles to change another nations political power sometimes.
and find some common ground... like the fact that Hillary and The Donald are BOTH scumbags who don't deserve to be president?
I doubt this is about the DNC emails. This is most likely about the social media and email spamming before the election with fake news
Except "social media and e-mail spamming" isn't an indictable crime. Fake news isn't even a crime E-mail spamming is closest to being a crime, but the CAN-SPAM act has a specific exemption for political e-mail.
Breaking in to DNC servers and stealing the email, however, is a federal crime
that might have used stolen state election information.
First time I've heard this alleged. You have a source for that?
There is a concerted effort to dangle scary cyber crime but no evidence that vote totals were changed. Clinton and her apologists want to blame sexism, Russians, the FBI and sexism for her loss without taking any responsibility for her awful campaign or her career of truth shading and bothsidesofmouth talking. I voted for Clinton - why? I thought Trump was a corrupt idiot and a dangerously impulsive incompetent illiterate and so far I'm sadly even righter than I thought. - but the irony of a foreign super power using its intelligence assets to influence a US election and put in a corrupt strong man to further its own interests doesn't escape me.
Yes, as we learn that Donald Trump is a foreign agent beholden to Vladamir Putin's KGB I think we can all agree it was worth losing our country to a foreign government to keep Hillary from being President.
When we ponder the implications of Donald Trump's subservience to a hostile foreign government, it's important to remember that Hillary Clinton sent emails.
Emails! Can you believe that?! She sent emails.
Bring on the Russian puppet - We can't have a Clinton presidency!!
And I said of this election: "Choose ye the form or the destroyer."
Oh yes. Now this is getting interesting. Anyone care to place a wager on how hard Fox News will try to spin this?
I read at +2. If your post doesn't reach that level I will not see or respond to it.
What ridiculous nonsense! Everyone knows Putin did it.
I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
There'sâ a big difference between a primary (where you are allowed to use almost any method you like to choose your candidate) and an election (where intentionally disenfranchising one candidate is not allowed). Apparently you don't know that difference.
All two-legged clothes-wearing pigs are corrupt. Some are more corrupt than others.
lol I knew the top comment would be some nonsense from an alt-right Trump fan.
Sickening. This sort of rouse would ONLY be aroused by a TRUMP supporter.
Do you need a safe space, punkin'? Did the headline trigger you?
Probably just as hard as BBC proposed it the way they did as a Trump conspiracy vs a Clinton scandal. Nothing new here.
and esoteric. It didn't even register with voters. OTOH there's evidence linking the Russians to the "Bernie Bros" campaign (not that folks don't love Bernie, he's the most popular politician in America today and for good reason). Then there's the mounting evidence that Russia hacked voter rolls and shared that data with team Trump. That sorta data is a gold mine beyond value and if true that more than anything would explain Trump's win.
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Let's assume they got all the DNC mail and released it. How was that hacking the election?
If you actually read the article, it states "El Confidencial, a Spanish news website, has said that Mr Levashov's arrest warrant was issued by US authorities over suspected "hacking" that helped Donald Trump's campaign."
So there are two statements there.
1. Mr Levashov was arrested for suspected "hacking", and
2. this suspected "hacking" helped Donald Trump's campaign.
Breaking into the DNC computers and stealing e-mail is illegal. Period. This was done, plausibly, on behalf of Russia: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-...
Hacking the election would be changing votes in a database.
According to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security report, Russia's goals were to "undermine public faith" in the US democratic process and "denigrate" his Democrat opponent Hillary Clinton, harming her electability and potential presidency. "We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election." http://www.bbc.com/news/world-...
If someone finds out that a candidate murders babies, I would prefer they release it...and not be arrested for "hacking the election".
There was no allegation that Trump or Clinton murders babies. This really is changing the subject. It's the same argument that governments use to break into your computer: "think of the children! Maybe that computer we break into has child porn! Would you disagree that we need to stop child porn?" Breaking into computers and stealing e-mail is illegal. People who do that should be arrested. Nobody is murdering babies; saying "but what if they murder babies?" is not an excuse.
Dude, you got trolled. :)
If this guy has anything the russians might worry about he'd be dead, very soon.
Like a long list of journalists, exKGB and double agents.
There is no difference between the russian government and organised crime. The methods and rationale are identical.
He's not being arrested for "hacking the election" he's being arrested because of other crimes:
* https://krebsonsecurity.com/20...
* https://www.nytimes.com/2017/0...
The DNC stuff was minor and esoteric. It didn't even register with voters.
Are you nuts? It registered strongly with EVERY Bernie Sanders supporter. Search Twitter around that time and you'll find it was far from "esoteric" that Sanders had been ejected from the race by the DNC leadership.
Then there's the mounting evidence that Russia hacked voter rolls
Where is that exactly? The only effort ever put forth (by the Green party) showed no Russian involvement and resulted in a few more votes for Trump than were originally counted.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
*sigh* your tin foil hat is getting worn out.
I'm pretty sure Donald Trump, and perhaps every other Presidential candidate in history, have said things in private that if they became public would result in them losing the election
Trump DID say something in private, that was made public also - the whole "grabbing" fiasco.
It would have ended any other candidate, and indeed many were sure that was the end of Trump. Even many Republicans said he should end his candidacy.
But EVEN with that, Trump still won because (on the whole) what Hilary did and supported was far worse than Trump, and voters knew it.
So Hillary and Trump were even as far as disclosure of private speech... and Trump still won.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
After months of denying there was any sort of Russian hacking of the election, now this thread is full of Trump supporters claiming that it wasn't "really" hacking. Or that the hacking "didn't matter". Or that "it's only one hacker". Or "you can't prove a state affiliation to this hacker".
The minimization of what went on is a disgrace. Imagine your candidate was the subject of overt interference by a foreign power. You good with that? No? I didn't think so.
The Russians had no business being involved in the election. It's as simple as that. Apparently that is too simple for Trump supporters though, because they keep trying on excuses for size. In the end Trump supporters benefited from Russian interference and that means they are unreliable commentators on the issue, being in a massive conflict of interest. Your judgment and wisdom have been tested and found wanting.
It makes no difference whether the hacking was effective, or swung your particular vote you morons! It is electoral interference and that ought to be a Red Flag, full stop. Sad.
It is still a shame that Nixon's resignation over shadowed his accomplishments while in office. He got the US military out of Vietnam. He visited China to personally open a diplomatic channel between China and the US. That action on his part kicked off the US's most successful regime operation in history. It brought China into the international trade and financial markets which changed them from a poor and inward looking Communist regime into one of the most capitalistic countries on the planet. China has not been a communist country for a long time no matter what they call their country. Nixon also created the EPA which has been one of the most successful government agencies since it was created.
There's mounting evidence that Russia hacked voter rolls and shared them with people involved with the Trump campaign.
No there's not.
I don't like the idea that a Russian propaganda machine helped choose our president. Maybe you feel different. Maybe you're one of those Russians.
Don't look now, rsilvergun, the ebil rooskies are hiding under your bed!
I for one am a Russian, and I frankly don't care who wins on american elections. It's obvious to me that this whole story is made up to whitewash Hilary's fuckups in her campaign that alienated people so much that they voted for the designated "joke candidate". However the very idea that associating something with Russians can automatically vilify it seems very insulting and ridiculous to me.
Hacked the voter rolls? Voter rolls are public information. There's even a website where you can buy them at 2.5 cents per name... voterlistsonline.com
They remember to put "hacking" in quotes. There very well may have been some shenanigans pulled, but I seriously doubt "hacking" is an appropriate term to describe them.
Makes it sound like all the US votes are tallied exclusively electronically, and the Russians somehow got into this system and manually altered the final vote counts or something.
yep. It's not like Trump paid this guy to do this, but the headlines sure make it sound like it.
wait till we see the corruption in your boyfriend's campaign. This will be awesome! Impeachment, here we come!
Predictable baying of the hounds from the Hillary camp.
Too late to have any real relevance since there's been ample time to create fake evidence.
the irony is strong in this one!
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there is no way they could ever trace something like this, even if "Russian hackers" hacked the U.S. election. They're basically trying to convince us that they left their names and e-mail addresses in some supposedly left-behind software. Utter far-fetched bullshit.
Actually Nixed did not get ousted for having the re-election team break into DNC Headquarters and plant bugs.
Nixon got ousted for covering up the issue after he learned of it. Nixon did not direct it to happen. Nixon covered it up after the fact.
erm.. there's quite a bit more to it than that and it was very clear he had involvement from inception to execution and over up.. hoisted by his own petard ,his own recording were used as evidence and proved knowledge all the way from the start to the end.
It is still a shame that Nixon's resignation over shadowed his accomplishments while in office. He got the US military out of Vietnam. He visited China to personally open a diplomatic channel between China and the US. That action on his part kicked off the US's most successful regime operation in history. It brought China into the international trade and financial markets which changed them from a poor and inward looking Communist regime into one of the most capitalistic countries on the planet. China has not been a communist country for a long time no matter what they call their country. Nixon also created the EPA which has been one of the most successful government agencies since it was created.
yeah and that war on drugs he started.. that wasn't a total fiscal black hole at all was it? not a waste of time, energy, money and lives? Nixon was a twat
Yes, as we learn that Donald Trump is a foreign agent beholden to Vladamir Putin's KGB I think we can all agree it was worth losing our country to a foreign government to keep Hillary from being President.
Do you have any evidence for this claim?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/0...
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
accessing a computer system you weren't invited to use is illegal.
yet the jews in control still see the internet at large as OK.
swim in the hypocrisy. you're all idiots.
Yes but Trump has been quite ungrateful for Putin's decisive support during the election, not to mention Russian financial support of his businesses for many years. What kind of businessman is he to renege on a such a sweetheart deal from Putin?
He has yet to cancel sanctions against Russia. And he has yet to return Alaska back to Russia, which was illegally sold by the Emperer Alexander II against the will of the Russian people. Returning Alaska will also finally help prove that Sara Palin can actually see Russia from her house.
As a Canadian, if Trump does returns Alaska to Russia, I do hope that he also gives Hawaii to Canada in order to finally prove that Obama was not born in the USA. After all, Trump would not lie about Obama, and Canadian winters are too damm cold.
During the campaign Trump at various points said that he would end sanctions on Russia that are costing your economy billions of dollars (rubles) and recognize Crimea. The ruble has lost 45% of its value from the sanctions. These Russian scandals that have plagued Trump and that even most Republicans in congress do not seem to share Trump's opinions on Russia have likely prevented Trump's stances on Russia from going forward. If Trump succeeds in his pro-Russia objectives, you can't say that it wouldn't be good for you.
Billions of dollars is plenty of reason for Russia to have helped elect Trump.
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I believe you, comrade, I do.
Russia is not hacker. Just Americans making big joke with Trump. Russia is strong, not hacker.
Let's just make it clear that BOTH choices were absolute piles of shit. It was a lose regardless of who you voted for.
This sort of rouse would ONLY be aroused by a TRUMP supporter.
Well, nothing else would be.
There's mounting evidence that Russia hacked voter rolls and shared them with people involved with the Trump campaign.
I hear many people say this, and no one will point to any actual evidence. Show some evidence, or admit you have nothing but paranoid ravings.
The theory being the data was used to target ad buys and campaigning. It would explain how Trump ran such a stellar campaign with so few resources.
Surely you can see how weak a case that is. Trump ran ads. People listened to the ads on both sides, and decided to vote. You want to override their choice because you allege that the choice of advertising market was optimized by someone you don't like. Even if that is true, Russia saved the Trump campaign some money avoiding running ads that that would have no effect. Are you seriously going to pretend that saving Trump a few bucks on ads is a reason to overturn an election?
I don't like the idea that a Russian propaganda machine helped choose our president.
The plot you alleged isn't even a serious issue, and you have no evidence it is true.
Maybe you feel different. Maybe you're one of those Russians.
Of course you assume anyone who disagrees with you is conspiring against you. It allows you to avoid listening to what they say, and realizing that you have no evidence for a conspiracy theory that makes no sense.
I genuinely hope you get the professional help you so clearly need. Until you do, please stay far away from a voting booth.
How exactly does on "hack the US election"?
I think you are confusing the Clinton campaign with the Trump campaign. Clinton used targeted ad buys and voter rolls, Trump just tweeted insanity and was given billions in free coverage. That's why she lost, by deciding to pull resources from places where she lost by 20K, swinging the electoral college. But why would a 30 year veteran of public service understand the election process?
Why would Trump pay for anything he was getting for free from the media? I have heard anywhere from the low billions to trillions in free media coverage.
And this whole Russians hacked our election thing is going on way too long. Second paragraph of the unclassified report says it best - "there is no evidence that Russian agents affected the election"[paraphrasing]. So essentially, the DNC had crap security, lost control of critical systems, and somehow it is all someone else's fault.
And bonus points for equating the hacking of a private us company to the hacking of the US government.
--WooooHoooo--
To be clear, Trumps supporters think his shit smells like roses but is shaped like dollar signs, not that it smells like dollar signs.
...should of...would of...
You are a moron and your opinion is invalid. Figures you're WITH HER.
*whoosh*
You're using that wrong. That post was full of sarcasm, not paranoia.
Who cares what he said? People lie. Some campaign promises aren't enough to warrant supporting him with black ops. Sanctions actually support local industry by removing competition from foreign imports and Crimea's status doesn't matter as long as people aren't getting killed there.. The only issues with sanctions is that they're insulting.
Wow, now there's a bit of historical revisionism. Watergate was more than just a coverup, it also lead directly to the Oval Office as the source of the whole conspiracy, not merely just the coverup of the break-in. Any "exoneration" of Nixon comes from the fact that investigators could find no direct evidence that tied Nixon to the actual DNC break-in scheme. The whole matter of 18 minutes of erased tape has long been since as the smoke that lead to the fire that was Nixon's direct involvement in the entire scheme. We can never know for sure, but I can't imagine any reasonable person can draw any other conclusion than that Nixon and his senior advisers were all in on the break-in.
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Nobody broke into the DNC servers. They simply phished on of the head people at the DNC, and once they had his password they grabbed all the emails
Exactly. When you access a server you don't have legal access to, that process is known as as a "break in." It happened to have been done by a phishing attck, rather than by smashing a window, but it's a still a break-in.
Through the purely legitimate method that anybody with the password could use.
Yes, if by the word "legitimate" you mean "illegal".
What does that make you?
Could you explain why you don't think he was correct?
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"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
Putin overplayed his hand, and misjudged just how recalcitrant Congress really is over Russia. Maybe Putin misjudged the US political system (he certainly wouldn't be the first Russian ruler to do that), and just assumed that Trump's cooing sounds and his installment in the White House would just erase seven decades of deep distrust between the Washington and Moscow. Maybe he knew it, but Trump was his best shot. Whatever the case may be, Trump is in a political position now where he has no choice but to pick up the anti-Russia stick and pound it loudly. The fact is that outside of a few Congressmen like Nunes, Trump actually has few real devotees in Congress, and it's clear Congress has absolutely no intention of permitting the Administration to jump into bed with Putin.
Enter Assad's gas attack, which gives Trump the cover he needs to basically switch teams. Whether it's a serious change of heart or not has to be seen, but I'm thinking that right now in the Kremlin Putin and his aides are actually generally worried that they may have aided an actual real-live warmonger to get into the Oval Office. And maybe that's not a bad thing. Russia has largely assumed since Putin's rise to power that the US is going to steer clear of any elevated tensions, and has seen itself able to do what it pleases from the effective seizure of South Ossetia to the out and out annexation of Crimea, and of course, going into Syria to make sure Assad stays in power regardless of any other circumstance. Now it actually has to wonder what the Command-in-chief of the most powerful military machine in history might do. For once, Putin is the one knocked off balance.
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She sent emails of CLASSIFIED information. On a system most likely compromised by .. RUSSIAN HACKERS!!!!.
And lets not forget Uranium One Deal that got her a quid pro quo speaking engagement for ... Bill the alleged rapist.
But yeah, Trump is totally in the pocket of Russia. That's why Putin had Assad gas his own people (with Weapons that Obama said he got rid of) so that Trump could bomb them and claim they aren't buddy/pals (actual NBC conspiracy theory).
Clinton would have been so much better!
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Who even believes this shit anymore? Its like they arent even trying. Just throwing shit and hoping itl stick. It wont, just give up fuckings losers.
A small handful of e-mails (in comparison to the bulk sent from that server). I would personally attribute that to her being stupid and not remembering which account she was sending from.
You know how many high ranking federal officials use Yahoo, Hotmail and Gmail accounts?? Guess how many of them send CLASSIFIED info through them? Guess how many of them are pwned by Russian hackers?
My primary beef with Trump is that HE HAS NO EXPERIENCE. Just as you wouldn't hire a lead programmer for a multimillion dollar software project that hasn't done, "Hello, world!" before, Trump is in way over his head. It shows through his actions, his cabinet choices, their actions, and generally his lack of a personality fit for being a president. No wonder he's bankrupted so many businesses. No wonder he's golfing every weekend. I'm surprised he hasn't had a heart attack yet.
Listen, the government is fucked up and corrupt. Probably always will be. That doesn't mean you intentionally try to destroy it by hiring a n00b that already hates everything about the job he's about to take.
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
It wasn't directed at all Russians. He chose his words carefully it seems not to, in fact.
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
No foreign country or entity should have *anything* to do with a country's election process. Period.
And yes, I am aware that the U.S. has interfered in foreign countries' elections as well. Karma?
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
So, you want a stupid President, then?
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Fuck off until they show us actual proof. If you open your eyes you'll amazed at how little proof is ever provided by the corporate media or government. It's time for that to change.
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I would personally attribute that to her being stupid and not remembering which account she was sending from.
Would you excuse drunk drivers for "just being stupid"?
You don't get to fucking "just be stupid" in many times and places in life.
I'd say you do care, if you have an opinion. As for the vilifying, lots of us Americans were raised to fear the USSR and it's godless commies with their nukes. Nothing personal, it can be difficult to change your childhood programming, so to speak. I am certain you are one of the nice Russians!!
He may be arrested for other crimes, but in the public eye he needs to be linked to "election hacking". So when he starts giving the long-awaited "evidence" against Russian goverment (unless he wants to spend 20 years in prison), it can be made to look somewhat believable.
Returning Alaska will also finally help prove that Sara Palin can actually see Russia from her house.
Here, let me help you with that:
Returning Alaska will also finally help prove that Tina Fey can actually see Russia from Sara Palin's house.
He was asked to hand over the tapes. He should have wiped them first, you know...like with a cloth.
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
You do know that the fighting in Crimea is still going on, right?
I have no idea how accurate this site is, but it shows where current fighting is taking place:
http://liveuamap.com/
It seems like the current fighting is mostly concentrated in Donetsk, Crimea.
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Not just "stupid", stupid with Sensitive / Secure material.
The whole "Stupid" thing is a ruse to ignore the other parts of the equation ... like Uranium One Deal, and the speaking engagments afterwards in Russia by Bill. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtains.
Also, pay attention to "My primary beef with Trump is that HE HAS NO EXPERIENCE." which didn't factor into anything when Obama was elected. If it wasn't for double standards, some people would have none.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Enter Assad's gas attack, ...
And you have any proof that this was Assad's making? Assad would be very stupid if he would have been ordered or approved something like this at this point in the war.
My primary beef with Trump is that HE HAS NO EXPERIENCE.
That didn't seem to be important in 2008.
Surely you have something better to do that post on every fucking story? You're hardly that important or interesting. No one cares and your parents hate you.
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CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, The New York Times, the Clinton campaign who started the rumor to begin with, some "anonymous sources," 19^h^h errm, I mean 3, intelligence agencies who said they were positive ^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h err, I mean it's possible.
How can you not believe all that proof? You must be a total idiot.
Donetsk isn't in Crimea. It's deep in the mainland. Ukraine basically splintered like Soviet Union did before, and Crimea and Donbass(Donetsk is a major city in the latter region) are among regions that have splintered off. Russia has incorporated Crimea but didn't incorporate Donbass for some reason.
There was plenty of circumstantial evidence, and that's what nailed Nixon to the wall. It wasn't merely that he tried to coverup the Administration's involvement in the break-in, it's that there was enough *indirect* evidence, including the tape erasure (and the ridiculous explanation for how it happened) to point a finger pretty firmly at Nixon being at the heart of the whole affair. The kind of weasel language Nixon defenders always bring up was getting pretty old even by the time of his resignation. Certainly no one in Congress actually believed any of it.
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The Administration certainly feels it does, including the radar tracking data showing where the attack originated from. But I get it, you've bought into the "Russia is a wonderful country and USA bad bad bad!"
Don't really care what you think. The ASsad clan have been murdering bastards for decades, and Russia, who was supposed to be the guarantor that Assad's chemical weapons were taken out of commission is left makign lame excuses about how some rebel gas cannisters got blowed up reall good.
Face it, Russia is on the losing end of this one, and Putin knows it, so cash your Kremlin checks while you can.
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They got the wrong guy, it was Doris...
CAP === 'epistle'
It is nothing new. Russia has been one of the favorites for the USA to point at and cry corruption to take the heat off and derail the public from actual important purely domestic issues. There are numeorous people from the DNC that shpuld be in prison for trying to rig the election for hillary but.. Thats all unimportant now because RUSSIA. They've (the usa) had other directions to point in the last 20+ years but this one came off of the backburner when it was needed.
Trump is almost certainly the worst president america has ever had but...I wonder what's really going on here... I have recordings of people on various internet radio streams from the early to mid 90s that clearly stated they had insider knowledge the USA was going to invade Afghanistan Iraq Syria etc, back then it sounded like tinfoil hat conspiracy nonsense so I kept it around to laugh at like william binneys interview on coast to coast AM.... I'm not laughing anymore.
Look up a documentary called 'the power of nightmares: the rise of the politics of fear' by Adam Curtis.
There's a Democrat meme at work and it must be accepted and parroted all through the media and across the intertubes. There's a dream by beltway political hacks all across the spectrum that if they can just destroy Trump, they can put that anti-globalist thing back into the bottle and go back to getting filthy rich off of multinational corporations outsourcing all labor. There's an entire model of corruption here that's on the line and a revoloving-door of lobbyists/lawmakers/bureaucrats under threat from the orange one - partisanship be damned, the beltway reptiles must rid the system of its only REAL disrupter in decades.
Hillary wasn't an AWFUL candidate who never even TRIED to understand, let alone reach out to, middle America... nope...
she did not remind every male voter of an ex-wife or a mother in law every time she bellered... nope...
she did not highlight an existence bereft of accomplishment, devoid of ethics, and awash in craven hypocrisy... nope...
The RUSSIANS did it!
The RUSSIANS did it!
The RUSSIANS did it!
Repeat as necessary and hope the public will not focus on WHAT EXACTLY they supposedly DID. Obama himself attacked Trump last fall insisting that our elections were impossible to hack and had not been hacked. His CIA guy said there was ZERO evidence the election was tampered with.
Repeat as necessary and hope that the establishment GOP who spent decades being hostile to the Soviets will get confused and, thinking modern Russa under Putin is the same as Soviet Russia under Kruschev, jump on board with hating Trump and help to impeach him.
The problem to this "plan" is: that group of Republicans (the McCain and Bill Kristol sort) were "never Trumpers" and he won despite their opposition and hatred. It turned out that the average Republican in "fly-over country" DOES know Russia != Soviet Union. It also appears that middle America is realizing that a number of "defense hawks" are really just defense SPENDING hawks who refuse to secure the American border but insist we wage small wars all over the world defending all the other borders because they are really just interested in global brush fires that grind-up hardware at a predictable rate to lock-in defense contracts for their campaign financers in order to keep replenishing the inventory while having very little to do with national survival.... Hell, the "never Trumper" globalists don't really care about NATIONAL survival at all - hence the lack of concern for the NATIONAL border. If the average GOP person in fly-over country does not oppose Trump, then the relatively few elitist never Trumpers will be no more successful stopping him than they were last year and without THEIR help the Democrats are powerless to stop Trump - so this whole thing is really just a farsical circus of globalist elitists and freaked-out progressives united (temporarily) by a feverish condition and a shared denial of reality.
Hillary Hillary Hillary Hillary Bill Hillary Hillary Hillary Bill Hillary Hillary
Hate to break it to you chief, but HIllary Clinton lost the election 153 days ago.
You know, at least during the eight years of "b-b-b-b-b-ut Clinton!"-ing during the Bush II administration, he had at least been the president. *Two dozen* Benghazi hearings. Dozens. What a joke.
Also, pay attention to "My primary beef with Trump is that HE HAS NO EXPERIENCE." which didn't factor into anything when Obama was elected. If it wasn't for double standards, some people would have none.
Obama was elected to the Illinois state senate in 1996, 1998 and 2002. He was elected to the US senate in 2004. His BA was in political science with a specialty in international relations. He graduated from Harvard Law magna cum laude and was the president of the Harvard Law review. He taught constitutional law for 12 years and worked as a civil rights attorney.
Yes, Obama had less experience than many presidents but compare that to Trump. No previous elected experience, no law experience, no previous interest in politics. The only item on his resume that even remotely resembles qualification to be president is a BS in economics from 49 years ago. What was that you were saying about double standards?
Enigma
Sorry, you are correct. Thanks for the correction. I am terrible at reading maps in Russian. The news seems to talk about fighting currently in Donetsk, but the map on liveuamap also shows fighting still in Crimea.
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The way Trump is fucking up all over the place right from the get go is highly suggestive of his being a foreign agent.
The WAY that information was leaked about Hilary was somewhat timely, and metered out. There wasn't a dump of it.
So, here's what i don't understand. Trump kept saying the election was rigged - right up until the point where he won, then he suddenly claims it wasn't. Why wouldn't the Trump administration WANT to expose some kind of hack on the election? That would prove him right, and if Russia hacked her email server, then it would also prove his point about how much her email was a security threat for the nation. Then he could "put her in jail" as he promised.
And if Russia did influence our election, it was likely because Putin didn't want Hilary in office - not necessarily because Trump was involved in it. I never understood why Trump never took this stance. Instead, he did an about-face on it and pretends like they weren't involved to the point of defending them.
These things are all perplexing to me.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
Probably just as hard as BBC proposed it the way they did as a Trump conspiracy vs a Clinton scandal. Nothing new here.
Why the hell would the BBC care? I thought the guidelines were clear: You had to hate on CNN the Clinton News Network, remember? That's what you are paid for, so don't dally around with that BBC nonsense.
Fuck you, you worthless piece of shit.
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And for the record, whether he is complicit or not, Trump is a large pile of flaming excrement.
Probably it's marked so on the map because they plan to attack it later after they'll be done with attacking DNR and LNR.
It's not just about how bad something is; it's about who is responsible.
Nixon might have been considered by some, to be vaguely, indirectly responsible for CREEP, but that was iffy. But then also got caught lying about knowing what happened and eventually was pretty-damn implicated in the coverup. And let's all take a moment of appreciation for how HOW FUCKING AMAZING IT WAS that those tapes existed, and were actually handed over (except for the missing bit, with the comical story of the secretary who accidentally erased the parts of it) instead of him saying "what tapes?"
Trump won't be held responsible for the Russians, and arguably shouldn't unless he literally asked them to do it, and he really might not have done that. (Russia already had motivation for doing it, unasked.) Furthermore, there won't be any tapes (or emails) like Nixon had, and if there are, they will be successfully obstructed instead of handed over as easily as Nixon did.
Also, for this particular issue, it looks like there really isn't a coverup, or at least not by the president. That the Russians were thought to be responsible for the voters learning about what DNC was doing, was already speculated within minutes of the release. And definitely before he was president. Suppose the president wanted to cover it up. What could he do? He'd need a time machine. The only way there is going to have been a Nixon-like presidential coverup, will be if it's determined that Trump framed the Russians to cover up what his own people did. And that doesn't fit any evidence, so it's either wrong or it's a highly successful coverup.
Trump is free on this one.
He's still a fuckwit, though, and will probably be caught doing something else. Just keep giving him rope.
Source: https://krebsonsecurity.com/2017/04/alleged-spam-king-pyotr-levashov-arrested/
So, the association here was that a spam king's botnet once sent election spam? Who paid for it?
So it's OK with you that a foreign power hacked the systems of one of our political parties
Nope, not OK.
If it were a FOX reporter, I'd feel differently about it
Why? It's still not OK.
My assumption and hope is that reporters (collectively) go after both parties.
Even if that means using illegal means to do so? I want them going after both parties also.
However just because what was done was wrong, does not mean the outcome has to be bad. Just that the means to obtain it were wrong.
But I also place blame on the DNC and Hillary for shoddy security practices. However that goes right in line with why I wasn't going to vote for her to begin with which is why I say what happened was simply casting more illumination on what was already there - and already known. It just made more people aware.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
NYT is saying that after the Syrian strike it's obvious Trump and Russia are at odds.
Pretty much all major news outlets are saying the same thing.
Shame you only believe fringe nutter news outlets which still maintain the fantasy that Trump and Russia are in any way friends. They are what the mafia would call "associates". They know each other well. That doesn't mean they LIKE, or do things for each other...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
What "fake evidence"? According to the article:
The fact that Slashdot can't bother to read an article before writing its summary isn't the GP's fault.
You don't exist. Go away.
This would not be the first time a major news outlet altered the text and headline of an article. Slashdot has been known to do it also.
Curious development.
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troops on the ground in syria up next cuz.. well saddam had used gas and had oil, remove assad to combat russian interests..anything else good for his CEO buddies? election is over so promises dont really matter anymore.
Oh look, it's MarxistMartian vigorously defending the narrative of the Cult of the Left. Tell me, Marxist, are you unemployed, which gives you all the time in the world to post Establishment BS, or are you actually employed as a professional propagandist?
A whole lot of evidence that Hillary broke the law, and you lefties defend her to the bitter end.
No evidence at all that Trump is involved with the Russians, and you lefties "just know it" and parrot it non-stop, and then base further lies on top of that, as if it were somehow made "fact" from repetition.
Pretty much sums it up, don't it?
Or to word it in a more objective way: over suspected "hacking" that help expose the corruption in Hillary's campaign.
You must be one of those paid trolls... Was your slashdot account hacked? Inactive since 2009 but suddenly decided to start commenting again today?
Do you realize how many jobs the "war on drugs" creates? American Gangster has a few lines about it, but basically if drugs were legal, people wouldn't go to jail and pay lots of fines for having, using and selling. It creates rehab jobs, prison jobs, police jobs, court jobs and bail bonds jobs as well. If drugs were decriminalized a ton of easy money would be gone to the counties.
It's fairly amazing MJ has gotten as far as it has just based on this alone. I'm not going to go check but I'm sure easy MJ busts in Colorado have dropped out the bottom. Pretty sure the MJ tax is taking care if it but I bet the police aren't get as much of a budget which may potentially cost jobs or otherwise decrease public safety.
hackers have more than likely already owned large swaths of the defense and personnel information systems, and their contractors to boot. such stories dont make it to the front page or beyond industry focused newsletters but given the frequency of commercial breaches due to traditional cybercrime, it is highly likely at least or more prevelaent when protecting such high value intel from 7+ figure industrial projects, even the great and mysterious 3 letter agencies have been owned...though havent seen an fbi revelation yet unless they are doing original cyber work, likely not given they paid someone to unlock an iphone. insiders, good ole spear phishing, watering hole attacks, trumps bluster about government agencies is a great chance to put up some click bait for gov employees and contractors at work and at home. management of such systems has lagged a decade or more behind as it pertains to security requirements in many places...even when managers do see it they have to jump through contracting hoops to do anything.
I don't see what Big Black Cock has to do with this...
Is it ever possible in today's world to acknowledge both the good and the bad actions of a person? Does Nixon's drug policies negate every single positive action he made.
There's also the fact that Putin apparently really hates Clinton. It seems like there's too much else going on for it to be that simple, but it could be that simple: stick it to Clinton, which happens to mean helping Trump.
Or to word it in a more objective way: over suspected "hacking" that help expose the *alleged* corruption in Hillary's campaign.
This is a sick version of the broken window fallacy, except that this time it's people instead of windows. Both are fallacies though.
Yeah, there's a lot more than the DNC hack alright. Like all of the witnesses they had to dig for during Benghazi, quite a few of which were never found. And of course there's that $9 Trillion which mysteriously grew legs, and walked out of the FED last September. Now there's a $500 Billion error in the books at HUD that Carson just found. The last eight years have been so ripe with scandals, it's disgusting.
But then we also had three straight stories from the NYT and Washington Post that they tried to use against Trump which had to be recanted in their entirety. Let's see if this is real, considering how every intelligence head in DC admits that there is absolutely no evidence that Russia tried to mess with our election in any way.
But what really ticks me off is the insinuation that I would let anybody tell me how to vote, considering that I had this one researched years ahead of time.
I know that. You need to break why she lost to her.
And he was still a product of the Daley Political Machine.
So, Chief Executive Officer of a multinational company means nothing, but a junior senator and part time professor vaults a community organizer into the White House.
Naaaah. Shit is shit no matter how you look at it (or smell). It was just that Hillary was a YUGE pile that had a public and private smell.
How your insane, delusional fantasies get modded up constantly I'll never know....oh wait, it's because your account is a proxy for the editors.
HEY LET ME RATTLE OFF A LIST OF NEWS ITEMS AND SCRIBBLE MY BULLSHIT BETWEEN THE DOTS
It's so sad that people actually fall for this kind of surface level dogmatic thinking
The Syria strikes was the Trump administration reminding the world that the US is willing to use it's military resources without asking anyone's permission or worrying about what any other country thinks. Trump could follow the Israeli doctrine. They go after anything they judge a threat no matter what country the threat is located in. It's an effective doctrine because their enemies know without a doubt Israel that Israel doesn't play politics with their security and they don't give a shit what anyone thinks. The various ME countries are more afraid of Israel than the US. Trump is very unpredictable and the world can no longer predict US actions which is a good thing. The US has been too predictable and it's enemies have taken full advantage of. Russia knew they could invade a neighboring country and the US response would be ineffectual sanctions and a strongly worded protest letter. China knew they could start colonizing the South China sea and the US would just conduct freedom of navigation missions which does nothing to counter China's plans. Both Syria and Russia are having to recalibrate their actions because Trump can say Assad is not an US problem and the next day reduce the old inventory of cruise missiles to make room for the new and improved models. Russia warned they were installing more air defense systems but they will not use them against any US air assets whether they be jets, drones, or cruise missiles. And the reason they won't use them is they don't want to advertise how easy the US could defeat their air defense systems.
Unless they're working together to get people to think they're at odds. I'm getting more and more convinced that there's something sinister going on with them, but it's just below my consciousness...
The smug look on Putin's face when Trump was announced the winner clinched it for me. He knew exactly what the outcome was going to be.
And still he fucked up the international policy of this country, got an Ambassador killed, allowed ISIS to form and thrive, (drew many red lines in the sand though). Is that the international relations he specialized in? I think he may have skipped class too many times.
I remember how absolutely certain another administration was about WMD in Iraq. I remember a certain "Highly Honarable Mr. Clapper" who told bald face lies to Congress under oath. Anyone who thinks the US Intel community can be trusted is a fool. I think they played Trump like a banjo just like they did W. The Globalist agenda marches on. They own Congress and they've crippled the President so that he's their tool whether he likes it or not. Here we go with 8 more years of world policeman bullshit. Fuck it. I figured they'd kill him but they just co-opted him. Nice.
Why do you think it's either Trump or Hillary? Lots of us think they're both terrible people and horrible leaders. And they are. So we didn't vote for either, because once everyone gets on board the Two-Party-System-Is-Made-Up-Bullshit-So-Rich-Powerful-People-Can-Keep-Being-Rich-And-Powerful train and starts voting on who would actually be good honorable leaders for this country, then we can start to get this country back on track again. Until then we're going to be stuck choosing between the lesser of two evils every time.
Wow,,, now that is delusional to the extreme. Now we know where the "fake news" is being created. Right here on ./
Who 'da thunk?
Now back to reality, Hillary lost because she was a TERRIBLE candidate and ran a deeply flawed campaign.
Complete.
Utter.
Total.
Bologna.
Please kill yourself.
This whole episode is pretty damn funny to me as someone that was in the American intelligence community years ago as a Russian specialist. Any honest person can admit that Russia is at best an Oligarchy and at worst a totalitarian state. Slowly, (very slowly) the Russian people are starting to figure that out and are becoming disgruntled. Russians however, are the masters of mass manipulation. This whole interference (and there was interference) was a plan to de-legitimize the democratic process that the US likes to brow-beat other nations with. This was a massive HUMINT campaign to call into question the "superiority" of the American system and tell the domestic population of Russia "Yes we have problems but so does everyone else." This is powerfully effective to the Russian mindset.
Here's the thing though: they expected for Clinton to win. The whole idea of delegitimizing the election process was to show Clinton as corrupt and that she won through cronyism and the power of the Washington insiders. That would be a major domestic coup for them while still maintaining the international status quo that (despite sanctions) has seen Russia's influence increase over the last decade. The Russian's were just as shocked as anyone to learn that Trump won. They never wanted that: He's too unpredictable. And now the responsibility for the clown show in DC is being laid at their feet and they are reeling to readjust to a complete political incompetent in the Whitehouse who can't make accommodations with the Russian because of the taint of the operation that helped put him in office.
Harasho tovarishi. Harasho.
You could have voted to stop the second coming of Adolf Hitler and instead you sat home juggling your turds?
And you now expect us to act like you idiotic act of complicity with the Trump / Putin agenda was honorable?
Go fuck yourself, turncoat. The next time your country needs you show up for the fucking election, moron.
Ah! But there is another factor!
Hillary's followers have no nose!
How do they smell?
Deplorable!
hat tip
and over what? the technically treason committed by a trump staffer?
kinda funny actually how americans are. just flip a coin and choose a side and then go inventing more and more crazy shit about the other side.
seriously, if someone should be put into prison it would be everyone sharing totally bogus and fake news, both sides, that you should with elementary school education know as fake.
the next elections are going to be reaaaally bad since there is now a precident that yeah, the party officials can post crazy shit about the other party without penalties of any sort.
the pizzeria debacle being a fine example. seriously, I wouldn't hire guys who re-posted that shit again and again as a janitor but you guys have those guys deciding about your taxes!(as a further note, if they really believed the pizza thing to be true, they should have been charged for believing a crime is happening and them not calling the cops about it - seriously)
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
So did I and I was pretty smug about it too.
No one believed me when I said that Trump would win, I based it purely on that Trump was more well known than Clinton. When he was more in the news than Clinton it was a lock.
Remember "Any news is good news", this has been very true of US presidential elections for a long time.
> Trump warns about potential US election hacking
Haha, look at this idiot. Nobody can hack the US election. Fuck off, you rich simpleton.
> Trump wins election
omg Russia hacked EVERYTHING.
Also, don't pay attention to the fact that all of this "hacking the election" is just about leaks on the Democratic Party acting like aristocratic assholes.
Just one point, to exchange anecdote:
> "associating something with Russians can automatically vilify it seems very insulting and ridiculous to me"
Agreed. I even have a couple of good Russian friends. I even learnt (a bit) of this magnificent language. No problems with Russians.
Putin, OTOH...
Sorry, you are correct. Thanks for the correction. I am terrible at reading maps in Russian.
That's OK - Even Russian military have repeatedly failed to read their own maps, and accidentally wandered into Ukraine.
Trump did publicly ask Russia to hack Clinton's e-mails. His supporters didn't seem to care about him asking a foreign government to interfere with the election or the threat to national security having a foreign government hack a presidential candidate presents.
“I will tell you this, Russia: If you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” the Republican nominee said at a news conference in Florida. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”
He also said: "By the way, they hacked -- they probably have her 33,000 e-mails. I hope they do. They probably have her 33,000 e-mails that she lost and deleted because you'd see some beauties there. So let's see."
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/0...
http://www.politico.com/story/...
https://www.theguardian.com/us...
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You apparently think that Mr. Putin is as stupid as American voters.
The idea that a politician's utterances during a campaign may not be entirely reliable, or that one man may not succeed at causing US foreign policy to turn on a dime, may seem novel to you. I suspect that ol' Vlad is long past that point.
Probably just as hard as BBC proposed it the way they did as a Trump conspiracy vs a Clinton scandal. Nothing new here.
OK, next time you go to the "BBC" make sure it's followed by the suffix .co.uk because judging by what you're saying, you're being directed to a fake news site instead of the genuine BBC... because nothing like you described actually was written.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
...should of...would of...
You are a moron and your opinion is invalid. Figures you're WITH HER.
You appear to be suggesting that Trump supporters have better spelling and grammar than non-Trump supporters.
LOL.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
There was plenty of circumstantial evidence, and that's what nailed Nixon to the wall. It wasn't merely that he tried to coverup the Administration's involvement in the break-in, it's that there was enough *indirect* evidence, including the tape erasure (and the ridiculous explanation for how it happened) to point a finger pretty firmly at Nixon being at the heart of the whole affair. The kind of weasel language Nixon defenders always bring up was getting pretty old even by the time of his resignation. Certainly no one in Congress actually believed any of it.
He was just unfortunate not to have a volunteer propaganda apparatus on the internet. He'd be fine nowadays. They'd just call the whole affair 'fake news' and move on.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
What "fake evidence"? According to the article:
The fact that Slashdot can't bother to read an article before writing its summary isn't the GP's fault.
Who are you gonna believe: the surrender monkey press agency, or the official Putin TV station RT? Which one is better qualified to tell us whether the Russians hacked the election?
And he has yet to return Alaska back to Russia, which was illegally sold by the Emperer Alexander II against the will of the Russian people.
There is nowhere on Earth that was illegally acquired that is going back to its original owners.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
And you have any proof that this was Assad's making?
Evidence? Ample amounts. Evidence that you would accept? None, of course. No such evidence exists even in principle.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
The Globalist agenda marches on.
That's a dog whistle for Jews, right?
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
Hillary Hillary Hillary Hillary Bill Hillary Hillary Hillary Bill Hillary Hillary Hate to break it to you chief, but HIllary Clinton lost the election 153 days ago.
Thanks dumbass. Hate to break it to you, but you lost too. You're just too fucking stupid to realise.
Is that like being a little bit pregnant?
Why do you Nazis hate Jews so much?
The deep state wants to undermine the Trump administration so its can consult Ouija boards so to speak in the name of bipartisanship.
They think they can usher their agenda through secretly, but their secret allies are the dark lurkers of the occult.
These moronic assclowns just can't get over the fact that that bitch Hillary lost. It's not HER fault she got creamed by Trump of all people, it's the Russians, or misogynists, or 'low information' voters or *insert whiny ass excuse here*. Sad these asshats are still allowed to vote, much less breathe.
Ridiculous nonsense by immature ridiculous people.
I'm enjoying watching the Trump supporters bleed away as the man actually transforms himself into a President, and slowly evolves away from fist thumping populist.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Please look up objective, it doesn't mean bias in the opposite direction.
Thats a trick question isnt it....
You are aware WMDs WERE found in Iraq right? And they were still being uncovered as late as 2007?
It doesn't show fighting in Crimea. it shows Crimea as an occupied territory.
There has been no fighting in Crimea since the occupation.
the bouquet of that Trump supporter is not ambrosia, even to Melania
And you have any proof that this was Assad's making?
Evidence? Ample amounts.
Care to elaborate?
Evidence that you would accept?
The report of the OPCW would be acceptable, but they are still investigating (as of 2017-04-11) ...
I'm enjoying watching the Trump supporters bleed away as the man actually transforms himself into a President, and slowly evolves away from fist thumping populist.
I see, to become a Real American President (tm) he had to do some prickwaving errm I mean drop some bombs on brown people
The Administration certainly feels it does, ...
I get it, waiting for the results of a proper investigation like done by the OPCW is out of the question when "The Administration" feels something
But I get it, you've bought into the "Russia is a wonderful country and USA bad bad bad!" [...] so cash your Kremlin checks while you can.
How weak is your argument, because someone does not believe that Assad is responsible and asks for actual evidence makes him a puppet of the Kremlin. Sure thing.
You left out the millions of knee-jerk reactionary responses to ANY story with the word Russia in it.
It's even worse than Bush Derangement Syndrome, where Dubya was controlling the weather and all kinds of other crazy nonsense.
Murphy was an optimist
Previt, priyatna paznokomitza. Spasibo. Sovershenno Verno, eta takaya fignya :-)
Please excuse my poor command of the language as I have only been studying it for three years. Americans, as a general rule, have nothing against the Russian people at all, it is only our idiot media and a few crazy leftists communists who make so much noise they appear to have power.
Murphy was an optimist
But what about the godless leftist communists in our own country? Why are they coddled?
Murphy was an optimist
Everyone involved in the dark web knows Donald Trump stole this info this via his Media Companies using MKUltra Enabled Satellites from Russian Hacker: The_Prodigy_Dancer, Peter_Jackson and Dæ Me ÅrÅ"Å. ICQ has proof of this. its a complete Hoax. therefore Donald Trump and more so his Media Companies are completely liable for publishing this.
!!! the real news direct from -=BNI=-Everyone involved in the dark web knows Donald Trump stole this info via his Media Companies using MKUltra Enabled Satellites from Russian Hackers: The_Prodigy_Dancer, Peter_Jackson. ICQ No: 147079107 has proof of this. its a complete Hoax. therefore Donald Trump and more so his Media Companies are completely liable for publishing this.
No previous elected experience, no law experience, no previous interest in politics.
You say that like it is a bad thing. Nothing like inbred lawyers involved in politics. ;)
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