Hacker Leaks 'Orange Is the New Black' Episodes After Failing To Extort Netflix (bleepingcomputer.com)

An anonymous reader writes: "A hacker (or hacker group) known as The Dark Overlord (TDO) has leaked the first ten episodes of season 5 of the "Orange Is The New Black" show after two failed blackmail attempts, against Larson Studios and Netflix," reports BleepingComputer. The hacker said he stole hundreds of gigabytes of audio files from Larson Studios last December. "TDO claims the studio initially agreed to pay a ransom of 50 Bitcoin ($67,000) by January 31, and the two parties even signed a contract, albeit TDO signed it using the name 'Adolf Hitler.'" This might have been the reason why the company thought this was a joke and didn't pay the ransom as initially agreed.

At this point, the hacker turned from the studio to Netflix, but the company didn't want to pay either. As a warning, the hacker leaked the first episode of season 5, but half a day later, he leaked 9 more. "According to Netflix's website, season 5 is supposed to have 13 episodes and is scheduled for release in June, this year." The hacker also claims he's in possession of shows and movies from other movie studios and television channels, such as FOX, IFC, NAT GEO, and ABC. Some of the titles include "Celebrity Apprentice," "NCIS Los Angeles," "New Girl," and "XXX The return of Xander Cage".

Comments

And...

[Anonymous Coward]

Nothing of any value was lost.

Re:And...

[Anonymous Coward]

Martin Bormann, Hitler's secretary.

Who cares.

[Anonymous Coward]

If you have Netflix, you'll watch it when it comes out in June.
If you pirate, you'll pirate it when it comes out in June.

This is only letting pirates get it early, but they can't talk about it mainstream, lest they out themselves as a pirate.

Re: Who cares.

[reanjr]

Sure, but Netflix churn is the lowest in the industry. So, it's questionable how much impact something like this would have on subscriber numbers.

Re: Who cares.

[Lord Kano]

I change cable providers ever two years but I have kept Netflix ever since I signed up for it.

I came across the first episode on FB and I watched it. I liked it. I will watch the season when it's officially released.

LK

Re:Who cares.

[Binkleyz]

I agree. And don't call me Shirley.

Wow

[kamapuaa]

What a triumph of free speech.

Re:Wow

[rockout]

I don't think this matters much. Anyone likely to download the leaked episodes wouldn't pay for Netflix anyway; they're just getting the episodes earlier, and that's a small % of the viewing audience. Anyone who pays for Netflix and watches these episodes legit isn't likely to go figure out Bittorrent and get them early either. So who cares? Obviously not Netflix.

Re:Wow

[Anonymous Coward]

You are mistaken. As a netflix customer, I feel more than justified downloading via bittorrent - and I don't like to wait. A better question is, if I am paying for Netflix anyway, is there any harm being done?

Re:Wow

[JaredOfEuropa]

What about those who pay for Netflix but aren't getting content in a timely manner (most series), see content disappear after a year (there's been a terrible purge here recently), or aren't getting the content at all? The availability and selection in certain smaller countries is kind of rubbish compared to what one gets in the US or the UK. So yes, in some cases even Netflix subscribers have to resort to Bittorrent. Maybe this is due to outdated license models, where one can buy the rights to show something in country X for a period of Y months or some such, instead of a license granting the right to show it everywhere for a certain amount per view. In the meantime I sure hope my country will at some point revive its old policy on piracy: "If content isn't available legally, then we don't prosecute people who pirate it". If you don't sell your content here, you should have no recourse against pirates; remember that copyright is not a natural right but something cooked up to encourage production and distribution of cultural works, by granting artists a temporary monopoly that enables them to make some money off their creation. I will pay for content, but if you will not take my money I have zero moral objections to availing myself of your works by other means.

Re:Wow

[Anonymous Coward]

No, according to Mexico's Supreme Court piracy is free speech.

FTFY.

Re:Wow

[baker_tony]

"if I am paying for Netflix anyway, is there any harm being done?"
Yes, hundreds of kittens will be murdered and the tooth fairy will get run over if you watch downloaded shows that weren't downloaded right.

Re:Wow

[Uberbah]

What about those who pay for Netflix but aren't getting content in a timely manner (most series), see content disappear after a year (there's been a terrible purge here recently), or aren't getting the content at all?

Take your complaints to the studios demanding fees so high that Netflix would lose money by carrying their content. Any more questions?

Re:Wow

[No Longer an AC]

What about those who pay for Netflix but aren't getting content in a timely manner (most series), see content disappear after a year (there's been a terrible purge here recently), or aren't getting the content at all?

They should stop paying for Netflix.

Personally I've shelled out for Netflix for years and while it doesn't show me everything I want when I want I'm pretty satisfied. And I like OITNB, but I really am not going to go out of my way to see it before its official release. If there were some deleted scenes I might be tempted but I haven't pirated anything since I cut the cord and had to torrent the last few episodes of Breaking Bad.

I actually felt a little guilty about that because it was available on iTunes at the time, but I didn't want to have anything to do with iTunes. And now the entire series is on Netflix. I could have just waited - and the last episode was worth at least $1.99 or whatever the price was on iTunes.

Seriously, it costs next to nothing. If you don't think it's worth $10 (or whatever it is) don't pay for it. I'm currently miffed because despite getting Amazon Prime too I can't watch the latest season of Hap and Leonard without paying $1.99 per episode.

Such are the problems of not paying $150 a month for cable TV.

And is $1.99 so bad? It's not really and didn't many of us clamor for a la carte choices? It doesn't get much more a la carte than paying per an episode and compared to what we'd pay to see a movie in a theater it's not a terrible price either.

I'm actually more disappointed in having to pay both Amazon and Netflix for my TV-watching experience because I can only watch one at a time, but there is enough exclusive content to make each worthwhile and I've got a long way to go before I exhaust all of their libraries - and by that time I'm sure a new season of Trailer Park Boys will be out on Netflix.

Re:Wow

[AmiMoJo]

Even in the UK the selection is crap. iPlayer is getting worse too. Poor picture quality, poor selection.

Re:Wow

[JaredOfEuropa]

I'm hoping that Netflix will start flexing its muscles a bit more. Same as Apple did when they started selling songs online, when the music industry was still very much used to the album model. Now they've gone to a pay-per-play model, with most distributors offering an all you can eat subscription. I'm hoping the TV and movie industry will make the same shift at some point. Not because I want to pay less but because I want to pirate less, and this region crap and artificial scarcity make no sense in a pay-per-play situation.

Re:Wow

[JaredOfEuropa]

If you cannot or will not offer your TV show in my country, then I'm not even depriving you of potential income by pirating that show. How is that theft? In your example, you might argue that you hope to sell the show on DVD at some point in the future, after you've settled the dispute. In that case I agree that it would be wrong to download the show, and it would certainly be wrong to make and sell bootleg copies. Or maybe you want to have the show on TV first, maybe as an exclusive, before offering it on Netflix. That's fair enough if the terms are within reason, but such licensing models (including the idea to negotiate licenses for different media and rights for other countries separately) are what gives rise to smaller regions getting the shaft in case of US content, and some content never making its way outside its country of origin. That goes counter to the spirit of copyright, which exists to promote the creation and proliferation of art. The royalties that go to those involved in the process are a means, not an end. In that spirit I'd be much in favour of (shock horror!) government putting limitations on the artificial scarcity that may be created in license agreements. But it seems we're going in the opposite direction, with copyright terms being extended again and again, and a USA that is very aggressively pushing for other countries to conform to its notion of copyright that serves the creators rather than the public.

Re:Wow

[Maxo-Texas]

It's not netflix.

First warner and then stars and then others raised the cost of their content to netflix by as much as 1000%.

They were going to monetize it for their own, $10 a month stations.

But you know what.. I don't WANT to pay $10 to netflix and $10 to warner and $10 to stars, and $10 to....

Netflix was the rare bird who gave great content at a reasonable price.

I'm irritated that Prime split the market and then set up a kludgy interface which constantly tries to upsell me non-free shows. I used it some- and used it for Dr. Who. But I'm irritated by Prime's interface and I finally have mostly stopped using it.

Currently watching Wynonna Earp on Netflix.

I will NOT pay $10 to AMC, NBC, CBS, ABC, Warner, Stars, Etc. etc. etc. It is not reasonable.

Re:Wow

[trawg]

What about those who pay for Netflix but aren't getting content in a timely manner (most series), see content disappear after a year (there's been a terrible purge here recently), or aren't getting the content at all?

This is why Netflix spend $1b on technology per year and $4b on creating new content. They know if they own the content they can set the worldwide licensing rules. I hope they use this to force the other content owners to make more reasonable licensing decisions but given they seem to have failed to display adaptability for ~20 years I suspect they won't.

Re:Wow

[DarkOx]

Moreover if you already have and keep a Netflix subscription, Netflix isn't harmed if you watch them on some pirate site. After all netflix does not show commercials, so their is no loss of ad revenue. If anything it saves Netflix some bandwidth, their costs go down!

Re:Wow

[swb]

They are flexing their muscles buy creating/buying their own exclusive content. The entire goal seems to be to have enough unique content to attract and maintain a decent audience, making third parties negotiate harder for content.

I think the culture of Hollywood (from mansions to coke to sports cars) is probably the root of all of it. Maybe Netflix should have tried to bootstrap a new center of film & TV production outside of Hollywood to re-invent the culture from the ground up, or at least have less of the traditional Hollywood mindset.

Re:Wow

[Impy the Impiuos Imp]

You are decreasing the value of a country-specific license to your country, and thus making it even less likely to get one in the future.

As the goal is to make it financially worthwhile to produce shows, this is detrimental to you (and everyone else, not just in your country) in the long run.

Having shows be worldwide, especially in China and India now, brings in extra cash that helps shows survive that otherwise wouldn't, if they just relied on US, or pure western sales.

In a sense, that worldwide sales is what's funding an explosion in new content from many non-traditional producers (i.e. not major TV networks) where it would struggle just relying on US sales.

Re:Wow

[Impy the Impiuos Imp]

Back in the day, PCs outsold Macs 10 to 1. So people wrote games for the PC and only ported the huge successes to Macs. The rule was it was better to try for 10% of PC sales than 50% of Mac sales.

With literally a magnitude more people and then some (even if most are lower per-person dollars) the cash is there and there's a land rush to take a grab at it.

Re:Wow

[Tukz]

Make a global platform, where the networks can add their catalogue.
I'd gladly pay $50+ for that.

Not $10 per network on each of their own software platforms that may, or may not, work on my devices.

Re:Wow

[rahvin112]

9 of 13 episodes, anyone desperate enough to download this is going to be very dissappointed in the lack of an ending. This could actually increase netflix subscriptions just to find out how it ended.

Re:Wow

[tlhIngan]

This is why Netflix spend $1b on technology per year and $4b on creating new content. They know if they own the content they can set the worldwide licensing rules. I hope they use this to force the other content owners to make more reasonable licensing decisions but given they seem to have failed to display adaptability for ~20 years I suspect they won't.

It's all about the money.

Distributors worldwide are paying big bucks for exclusivity. If Netflix wants in, they're going to have to ante up a lot of cash to get non-exclusivity. The content makers know that distributors will pay much more for exclusive rights than non-exclusive rights, and it unfortunately will take a lot of licensors of non-exclusive rights in order to make up for what a distributor will pay.

So yes, Netflix can do it, they won't because it costs a lot of money and the content makers know that unless people like Netflix step up to the plate, the old content distribution methods will remain.

Re:Wow

[Rakarra]

Same as Apple did when they started selling songs online, when the music industry was still very much used to the album model.

The movie industry learned a bit of a lesson from the music industry, and have made sure that they're not beholden to any particular service like the music industry became to Apple. The streaming choices are all very fractured, no particular company can claim dominance, and the movie studios seem like they're totally ok with totally withholding some content from the streaming world entirely, and withholding other content for anything other than an exorbitant price and locked-in DRM.

Re:Wow

[Rakarra]

Netflix was the rare bird who gave great content at a reasonable price.

Which is one of the reasons why the studios have tried so very hard to kill Netflix. They were quite open and vocal about their belief that Netflix's model absolutely screwed them over in the DVD era. Before streaming, everyone loved Netflix and you could get an amazing variety of things at a reasonable price, all in one place. But again, the studios HATED the fact that Netflix didn't charge premium prices for "premium" titles, they hated the fact that it was not pay-per-view, they hated the fact that rentals took away from their DVD sales numbers. They never forgave Netflix, and now that streaming puts the power back into studio hands, they are doing their best to cut off Netflix's oxygen supply.

Now that the studios can dictate who can stream, how, and with what prices, we see exorbitant prices, pay per view, many many services all with their own content, and nothing resembling anything like Netflix from the old days -- one-stop shopping for a reasonable price. And people wonder why old fogies like myself think streaming sucks compared to what we used to be able to get.

Re:Wow

[JaredOfEuropa]

Point is: we don't/shouldn't need country-specific licenses. These things make sense in the world of broadcast TV with a one-off screening, not in the world of streaming or downloading where viewing can take place anytime, anywhere. I suppose in some cases you want or have to make country-specific deals when you are dealing with national entities or when you want to offer lower prices in developing countries for instance. But in the case of companies like Netflix it makes no sense. Charge by view instead of by country: 10 views in the Netherlands ought to be just as valuable as 10 views in the States if charged per view, so offer the license thusly. And yes: at first glance this will be a less valuable license deal, since with per-country licenses the smaller countries usually get shafted on the price (per viewer) as well. But what is more valuable to rights holders: a per-country license so expensive that the likes of Netflix are never going to pick it up for certain countries, or a per-view license in those countries resulting in even just a 1% penetration?

Re: Wow

[Brockmire]

I know some content is paid by streams per month, but don't know about this. So there's probably pennies not being kicked back to the OTNB owners.

Re: Wow

[Brockmire]

That takes away the incentive to create more content. If I bought the content, I'm going to milk that shit to death. Creators go broke.

Re: Wow

[Brockmire]

It's Amazon and Netflix's fault you can only watch one thing at a time? Try evolution, buddy. Two eyes, two ears, one brain. You can try and watch both at the same time, but it's going to suck.

Re:Wow

[Uberbah]

You are decreasing the value of a country-specific license to your country, and thus making it even less likely to get one in the future.

Still confusing cause with effect. HBO managed to pull their heads out after years of Game of Thrones being the most torrented show online, and offered a streaming service that wasn't tethered to a cable subscription. They need to make their content available, in a reasonable way and reasonable price, before they can whine about "piracy".

Besides, if you refrain from downloading XYZ show/movie from bittorrent because you're holding out hope in your heart of hearts that the studio will pull its head out and distribute it in your country - how are they supposed to know? Telepathy?

And Netflix executives think

[Dunbal]

"Hacker provides much more than $57000 worth of free publicity for our series"

Re:And Netflix executives think

[Rakarra]

You seriously expect people to cancel their account because part of a new series was leaked (an account they will need the account for to finish watching)?

I would think so, in that people could unsub until the new episodes came out, but Netflix works on a "release all at once" model. So the last episode of the season comes out the same day as the first. And you don't pay per episode, so the cost to get just the final few episodes is the same as the cost to get the entire series, and it all happens at the same time.

The only people who this lost-subscriber theory might apply to are the folks who would have watched the first few episodes and thought "well this sucks now, I don't need to see the rest." Unsubscribing based just on the first few episodes of the new season. I would think that group would be fairly small.

New TV Series

[PocketPick]

I'll be eagerly looking forward to the soon-to-be-announced reality TV version of "Orange is the New Black", starting the members of The Dark Overlord hacker group.

Re:New TV Series

[antdude]

And probably in Mr. Robot. ;)

Right Decision

[CrankyFool]

"Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute."

Re:Did I wake up two days ago?

[muphin]

All news is new if you havent seen it before!

At Least It Was Their Own Content

[phmadore]

Luckily it's Netflix's own IP that was leaked, and it won't affect their partnerships with other studios, although they obviously need to get a handle on their security.

Re:At Least It Was Their Own Content

[sg_oneill]

Luckily it's Netflix's own IP that was leaked, and it won't affect their partnerships with other studios, although they obviously need to get a handle on their security.

From the sounds of it they hacked the studio, not netflix themselves

Re:At Least It Was Their Own Content

[phmadore]

Oh, good point. Maybe that's why Netflix didn't want to pay: they were like, hey, this is your fault, fix it.

Re:At Least It Was Their Own Content

[mwvdlee]

Or maybe Netflix was like; "The first 10 episodes and not the final 3 episodes of the season? Wow, we couldn't have planned this any better ourselves!".

Re:At Least It Was Their Own Content

[Cajun Hell]

So in other words .. Netflix did it!

Re:Did I wake up two days ago?

[Anonymous Coward]

This WAS NOT news on Thursday. He leaked it on Saturday you incompetent twat! Learn to troll better

How do you trust Hitler?

[DidgetMaster]

Maybe the companies just decided that the extortionist was probably going to leak the videos anyway. Once the ransom is paid, there is absolutely nothing preventing him from releasing it. It's not like he has any morals whatsoever that might prevent him from double-crossing them. So it's just better to keep the money and not give an incentive for the next pirate hacker to try it too.

Re:How do you trust Hitler?

[93 Escort Wagon]

Or perhaps Netflix figured the people who'd go looking for these videos likely would be hunting for torrents once the season is released, regardless.

If you figure you're not going to get a dime out of the folks who are the likely audience for these stolen videos, what financial incentive is there to pay the ransom?

Re:How do you trust Hitler?

[Unnamed Chickenheart]

I think the standard procedure it to repeat the request for money if they pay your first ransom.

For what's better than a lot of money? MORE lots of money! If they were willing to pay e.g. 68.000$ or whatever in the first place, then perhaps they're willing to pay... let's say... the same sum again?

Thus no one can trust a blackmailer, especially when it's digital wares.

Re:How do you trust Hitler?

[drinkypoo]

I was imagining that they were working with the FBI, and they were playing along in an attempt to get more information on the perpetrator's identity.

Re:How do you trust Hitler?

[Eloking]

Maybe the companies just decided that the extortionist was probably going to leak the videos anyway. Once the ransom is paid, there is absolutely nothing preventing him from releasing it. It's not like he has any morals whatsoever that might prevent him from double-crossing them. So it's just better to keep the money and not give an incentive for the next pirate hacker to try it too.

Well, if the hackers are bright (and they usually are), they would delete the pirated contract after they receive the money unless they want to scare potential future victims.

Terrorist abducting in the world are a good example of this. If they killed their victim after receiveing a ransom, there won't be a second time (yeah we aren't supposed to negociate with terrorism, but the reality is that it happens : https://www.pri.org/stories/20...)

Re:How do you trust Hitler?

[Rakarra]

Maybe the companies just decided that the extortionist was probably going to leak the videos anyway. Once the ransom is paid, there is absolutely nothing preventing him from releasing it. It's not like he has any morals whatsoever that might prevent him from double-crossing them.

Sure, he probably doesn't have morals, but the question is whether he thought he could do this a second time.
An extortionist has to be able to dangle a plausible carrot of hope in order for an extortion to be paid, otherwise the next person he tries to extort won't give him a penny. Conversely, the extortionist also has to back up his threats if his victim won't pay, otherwise he has no credibility. If you want to successfully extort more than one person, you need to be honest about what you'll do whether someone pays or doesn't pay.

If the company is going to lose regardless, then why would they strike any deal? But if he requests a price and then upholds the bargain he demanded, the company could see that as a business cost, something they might actually go through with. Something many companies HAVE done while trying to keep hush-hush about.

Extorting a business and then going back on the deal is, from a criminal standpoint, short-sighted. What would he actually have to gain by releasing the files if Netflix paid up?

Re:How do you trust Hitler?

[ColdSam]

Or perhaps Netflix figured the people who'd go looking for these videos likely would be hunting for torrents once the season is released, regardless.

If you figure you're not going to get a dime out of the folks who are the likely audience for these stolen videos, what financial incentive is there to pay the ransom?

Except these episodes would be available BEFORE the official release which is a huge incentive for otherwise law abiding fans to find the pirated version. Once they've figured out how to do that, they may never go back.

Re:How do you trust Hitler?

[geekymachoman]

There is.. If he leaked it anyway, next time they wouldn't pay, but if he was .. 'honest'.. maybe they would pay next time too.

Re:Sounds Like One Bad Hombre

[bill_mcgonigle]

Has Trump commented on this yet?

I thought he signed the contract?

New Girl? Really?

[porges]

"New Girl" has finished its season and has not even been renewed yet, so there are no unreleased episodes of that. So..huh?

Re: HOW I GOT A BLANK ATM

[Anonymous Coward]

I am a Serious Buyer.
I am interested in your offer.
Can you provide a physical address to meet so we can discuss this in person?

Re: Sounds Like One Bad Hombre

[Anonymous Coward]

As a Jew, I find it incredibly offensive of you to compare Trump to Hitler! I demand you apologize to Hitler immediately!

Re:Signed it as Hitler?

[DontBeAMoran]

Illegal character . at position 15

Re: HOW I GOT A BLANK ATM

[DontBeAMoran]

1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW
Washington, DC 20500
U.S.A.

Re:Give me the rest of season 3 of The Leftovers!

[Sir Holo]

Not a show that is already spent. ;)

I just watched the pilot of the Leftovers. Bo-o-o-oring!

And it coming from the guy who was responsible for "Lost", all Haley's dream, is three strikes against it already. Bringing in the supernatural once you've painted yourself into a corner is lazy writing.

I threw the rest of the Leftovers into the garbage disposal.

Re:Sounds Like One Bad Hombre

[Applehu Akbar]

Has Trump commented on this yet?

Trump is still watching the episodes, rooting for "Red" Reznikov.

So, if or when...

[Archfeld]

So, if or when the writers go on strike this content might have some actual value, and even then it is debatable. Otherwise this is just a wannabe looking for attention, or maybe even an inside job trying to stir up some publicity for crappy programming.

Not asking the important questions

[DivineKnight]

See, the problem here is that no one is asking the important questions, like does he have "Ash vs. Evil Dead" Season 3 in there somewhere? Focus, people, focus!

Re:Not asking the important questions

[mejustme]

If we go down this route, we may as well make it worthwhile and ask him to leak the next 2 seasons of Firefly.

Re: HOW I GOT A BLANK ATM

[Anonymous Coward]

The current resident of said address confirms that orange truly is the new black.

Re:Did I wake up two days ago?

[mwvdlee]

An 48 hour timezone difference? Do you understand the concept of "day"?

Contract?

[mwvdlee]

A signed contract with an extortionist... WTF?

I whose mind did the idea to sign a contract in any way make any sense at all?

Either the hacker had to give away his complete identity in a contract that isn't legally binding (because... you know... the extortion part of the contract), or the studio had to sign a contract that is not enforcable by the hacker without giving away his complete identity (and once again, is not legally binding in any way).

Re:Contract?

[Convector]

Is there actually any evidence (beyond the hacker's assertion) that any contract actually exists?

Celebrity Apprentice, NCIS LA, and a XXX sequel?

[scourfish]

Wow, those all sound like high profile works of entertainment and not garbage. I'm sure going to be disappointed at all the spoilers from the masses frantically downloading and watching these quality shows.

More about Xander Please....

[RobertNotBob]

I keep trying to find more information about Xander Cage, but when I google the movie name... well... you know...

Re:Bill Nye Saves The World

[SuiteSisterMary]

Well, in the first bit, he's not calling out segregation or cultural appropriation, he's saying 'don't use exotic religious symbology to give false authority to your bullshit' and explicitly calls out Deepak Chopra for doing it.

The second video is a guy saying, first, "I haven't even watched this show, just some random, out of context clips", then saying "I don't understand incentive-based economics, therefore they can't be real" and "I don't understand that science might have changed in twenty years."

Re:New Girl? Really?

[porges]

Then there are no episodes to release.

Contract?

[DarthVain]

The studio tried to sign a "contract" with a blackmailer/extortionist? Are they really surprised he signed with a fictional name? How can they not think it is a joke?

Somehow I think this deserves to be made into a Netfilx series, where brain dead executives that only understand one way to do things, and the befuddled criminals that have to deal with them, "Uh you want us to sign a contact? For blackmail. You want us to sign a blackmail contract? We use handles, and are asking to be paid in untraceable bitcoin currency, and you want us to sign a blackmail contract... as what? The Easter Bunny? Hey I'll do you one better..."

I'm thinking making the hackers either British al a Snatch, or possibly Russian gangster types with appropriate accents. The studio should be the ivy league Hollywood type, with a bit of valley accent. Show can be called "That's so Meta" or something... Once completed leak episodes themselves as from a fictional hacker group for fun and profit...

Re:Give me the rest of season 3 of The Leftovers!

[Rakarra]

Bringing in the supernatural once you've painted yourself into a corner is lazy writing.

Isn't the entire premise of the series from the very first second based on the supernatural?

Re:New Girl? Really?

[Rakarra]

There might be screenplays written, however. That's happened in the past.
Not that releasing the plot would necessarily harm "New Girl," it's a show that thrives more on the journey than the destination. "OMG, what's going to happen" is not an attitude the show cultivates.

Re:Give me the rest of season 3 of The Leftovers!

[Ericular]

Once you get through the first half of season one, it starts firing on all cylinders.

Being burned by Lost, I was skeptical too... but even if this one ends stupid it will still have been light years better than Lost.

Re:Did I wake up two days ago?

[Maritz]

lol. So where is it Thursday when it's Saturday in London? Do enlighten.

Re: Bill Nye Saves The World

[Maritz]

It's important but not for normal people and certainly not scientists.

You think science shows are aimed at scientists? lol. You live in a cartoon world, mate.