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Majority of US Households Now Cellphone-Only, Government Says (networkworld.com)

The National Center for Health Statistics has released a report that says, for the first time in history, U.S. households with landlines are now in the minority. Network World reports: The second 6 months of 2016 was the first time that a majority of American homes had only wireless telephones. Preliminary results from the July-December 2016 National Health Interview Survey (NHIS) indicate that 50.8% of American homes did not have a landline telephone but did have at least one wireless telephone (also known as cellular telephones, cell phones, or mobile phones) -- an increase of 2.5 percentage points since the second 6 months of 2015. Young adults (25-34) and those who rent are most likely to live wireless-only, as 70 percent of that demographic lives with a landline.

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  1. I still have a landline by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Funny

    I still have a landline. I need it so that when I can't find my cellphone, I can call it and search for the ringing sound.

    1. Re:I still have a landline by sims+2 · · Score: 4, Informative
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    2. Re:I still have a landline by NFN_NLN · · Score: 2

      If you have internet and a PC use a softphone such as google voice. Saved my ass 30+ times.

    3. Re:I still have a landline by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

      Put it on your keychain. Try not to lose both......

      https://www.thetileapp.com/

    4. Re:I still have a landline by swillden · · Score: 4, Informative

      I still have a landline. I need it so that when I can't find my cellphone, I can call it and search for the ringing sound.

      If your phone is an Android device, try https://www.google.com/android...

      It's better than calling because when you use the device manager to ring the phone, it rings max volume, even if the ringer was turned down or silenced, and it rings for five minutes so you don't have to keep calling while you trace the sound.

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    5. Re:I still have a landline by Ailicec · · Score: 1

      Backwards here.. we use the cell phone to call in repair requests for the land line (and give them a required callback number.. ahem).

    6. Re:I still have a landline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Great! Finally a site I can input my cell phone number that has no AUP, TOS, or Privacy Policy...
      Who do I know that I think needs to locate their phone...
      at 3 AM on a Tuesday...

    7. Re:I still have a landline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is why I have skype-out credit hilariously enough :p

    8. Re:I still have a landline by goombah99 · · Score: 1

      That's not only funny, it's so true!!

      I have a landline, well a voip phone. It costs be zero dollars per month for service because it's an OOMA. But I do pay about $5 a month for the telcom fees--- but that get's me 911 service. For me the key reason to have a land line is that there's a line associated with the physical location of the house that anyone, visitors, baby sitters or the family can use. Furthemore I don't like carrying my cell inside the house. I've got 4 hand sets so it rings all over the house. I find that a useful convenience. And for calls out of the country it's nice too. Lastly, I have had times when my cell phone is in the shop or lost. It's always there and never lost.

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    9. Re:I still have a landline by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      I can't get by with just cellophane. Sometimes I need to use aluminum foil.

    10. Re:I still have a landline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My landline is a VOIP line that my comes free with my fibre connection. It also rings via an app on my cellphone so I can pick up even when I am not home. I should probably look at getting rid of the voice portion of my cellphone contract, but last I checked, a data-only subscription wouldn't actually save me anything.

    11. Re:I still have a landline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just ask Google where my phone is. They have this information anyway, so I might as well use it for my convenience instead of their advertisers' for a change. Once I am in the general vicinity, Google gives me a button to ring it at max volume (even if it was set to silent).

    12. Re:I still have a landline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still have a landline so I have a number to give out for purchases online or membership card stuff, so if any of them gives the number out to a telemarketer they will not bother me. Plus, it is included in the cost of internet, so no reason to not have it.

    13. Re:I still have a landline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its almost as if you havent figured out find my phone apps for free and pay a premium for a line to call it out of sheer lack of interest in improving best practices. But no, Im sure its needed

    14. Re:I still have a landline by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You remember a link? I just type "where is my phone" into Google. Providing you're actually logged into Google it will offer the device manager right in the search results.

    15. Re: I still have a landline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Scary...

    16. Re:I still have a landline by kilodelta · · Score: 1

      Ha ha ha. Good one. WE have two cell phones in the house so when someone can't find theirs I just call it.

    17. Re:I still have a landline by swillden · · Score: 1

      You remember a link? I just type "where is my phone" into Google. Providing you're actually logged into Google it will offer the device manager right in the search results.

      Actually, I search for "Android Device Manager".

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    18. Re: I still have a landline by swillden · · Score: 1

      Scary...

      How so?

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    19. Re:I still have a landline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember having a VOIP line bundled with the ADSL connection and router/modem/wifi/NAS/VOIP phone line combo box. Well, just used as a landline.
      It had three main functions : ringing my cellphone, getting calls from a woman who asked whether I had a complementary healthcare plan, getting calls from a woman who asked if I had gold to sell. The second time was nice for the latter, as I could answer with a good hearted laugh.

      I have cheap voice on cell phone (SMS are like "too cheap to meter" is true for them where I live) and I do use it. If I end up needing a smartphone I plan for it to use data-only service, because there's no reason I'd want to let go the dumb phone and its voice-only service. This would also allow to use a different carrier and stop paying for data without any risk of losing voice service, or to not worry about contacts / messages / phone call data being harvested.

    20. Re:I still have a landline by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 1

      Whenever confronted with a spammer web site that wants your phone number ... simply enter "911" Then the scumbags get in trouble for making fake 911 calls.

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    21. Re:I still have a landline by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      My wife and I do the same thing, except with Google Voice and an ObiTalk. Since Google Voice does not provide 911, my account is hooked up indirectly through a third-party VoIP service (PhonePower). It works out to be slightly cheaper than your solution ($50 up-front and $35/year for the ObiTalk + PhonePower vs. $200 up-front + (apparently) $5/month for Ooma).

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    22. Re:I still have a landline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, you remind me of my cellphone repair service experience with a fine gentleman in the Philippines:

      "Hello, my cellphone has signal but no service and cannot make calls."
      "Are you calling me on that phone right now?"
      "What do you think?"
      "Yes, but are you calling me on that phone right now?"
      "Really, you have no opinion on that yourself?"
      "I know, but are you calling me on that phone right now?"

      About 3 more similar exchanges...

      "Ok, dammit, I'm calling you on a landline."

    23. Re:I still have a landline by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      That's fine, just don't recommend your grandma to google Android Device Manager. Otherwise when she loses her phone she'll go looking for the piece of paper that has written on it what to search for.

      "Android Device Manager": Returns a link as the number one search result for you to access Android device manager.
      "where is my phone": Actually embeds Android Device Manager into the search result.

      As counter-intuitive as that may be...

    24. Re:I still have a landline by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Hey, the site accepted the number. Too bad I'll never know if it worked.

      Your phone is ringing. Run! Go find it!

    25. Re:I still have a landline by swillden · · Score: 1

      I wasn't trying to say your way isn't better. It is. Thanks!

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    26. Re:I still have a landline by goombah99 · · Score: 1

      That's interesting. thanks. The price of OBI on amazon is now $50 and for an ooma $71. The annual fee is going to be the same but will vary where you live since in both cases you will have telecom and E911 fees that are identical.

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  2. I wouldn't mind having a land line by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    but it's $40/mo. I've pretty much got to have a cell phone for a variety of reasons. I can't afford to spend money on something as superfluous as a land line. I know I'll be screwed in the event of a disaster but, well, I'm an American. When disaster strikes I'm gonna be screwed no matter what. What's the phrase I used to use? "My safety net is made of razor wire"...

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    1. Re:I wouldn't mind having a land line by E-Rock · · Score: 1

      What disaster is averted or lessened by having a land line? The cellular network is more likely to be available (or come back online first) in the event of a disaster.

    2. Re:I wouldn't mind having a land line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use Ooma. $100 for the device. Basic user monthly cost is $5 for the taxes which allows you to have 911 capabilities. Premier Service users is $10 per month.

      I need a landline because I have a family with kids. In case of emergency, we need a landline to call 911 so they know where to find us. Also, their are multiple phones placed all throughout the house.

      For $5 per month and that only pays the taxes, it is well worth it.

    3. Re:I wouldn't mind having a land line by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      What disaster is averted or lessened by having a land line? The cellular network is more likely to be available (or come back online first) in the event of a disaster.

      Perhaps where you live, but where I'm at, every time there is a disaster, the cellular network goes down within an hour, as people in the area call their relatives, and exhaust the batteries in the cell towers.

      Other than that, I have found that 100 percent of the calls on my soon to be gone land line are scammers.

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    4. Re:I wouldn't mind having a land line by sjames · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That depends on the area. In many places, cell towers have as little as 24 hours of backup power. Most COs for POTS lines have a week or more.

      The actual copper is often buried where it won't be blown down by storms, unlike a tower.

    5. Re:I wouldn't mind having a land line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In an emergency the cellular network is MUCH more likely to hit capacity than POTS.

    6. Re:I wouldn't mind having a land line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We lost power over winter for 5 days. Cell service was out in less than 24 hours (every carrier) and didn't come back on until power was restored. Landlines never went out.

    7. Re:I wouldn't mind having a land line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use Ooma. $100 for the device. Basic user monthly cost is $5 for the taxes which allows you to have 911 capabilities. Premier Service users is $10 per month.

      I need a landline because I have a family with kids. In case of emergency, we need a landline to call 911 so they know where to find us. Also, their are multiple phones placed all throughout the house.

      For $5 per month and that only pays the taxes, it is well worth it.

      I use Voipo. Free equipment lease and costs $149/2years ~ $6.21/month

      Voipo basic service is similar to Ooma premier service and it comes bundled with ~60min of free international calling per month and SIP service is available. The only downsides are that Voipo only supports an ancient voice codec (G.711 so it isn't "HQ" like Ooma) and line isn't compatible with fax machines...

    8. Re:I wouldn't mind having a land line by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Wow really? A tower blown over by a storm? If that's going on you're not going to care about local cell coverage because you should have evacuated long before that point. Towers don't blow over.

      The power issue however is real, but over the years I've lost my POTS connection far more often than my cell phone due to failed ageing equipment, backhoes doing what they do best and ripping through infrastructure, and just plain incompetence from people trying to manage the ratnest of wire that makes up a typical copper phone line connection.

    9. Re:I wouldn't mind having a land line by kilodelta · · Score: 1

      E-Rock: I have your answer. Nope - even in emergencies the cell network rides over the Public Switched Telephone Network of PSTN. In times of peril both wireline and wireless are pretty much useless.

      However there is another thing, get your amateur radio license - it's inexpensive and the tests pretty easy multiple choice. Plus there is no longer a requirement to learn Morse code like I did, but that's beside the point. Then pickup a sub $100 VHF/UHF/DMR/D-Star/whatever radio. Those ALWAYS work so long as you keep them charged.

    10. Re:I wouldn't mind having a land line by blindseer · · Score: 1

      Medical emergencies for one. If calling from home on a land line the location is known based on the phone number. If calling from home on a cell phone, even with the GPS systems required in phones now, the location has a fairly large error zone. There's several examples of this kind of failure being demonstrated.

      Extended power outages for another. Because of the costs of burying power lines overhead lines are still the norm in many places. Also due to costs telephone lines are typically buried. Ice, snow, wind, fires, can all bring down power for days while battery backed phone lines still work. Your home might not have been damaged in the disaster so you are fine, just without power. If the phone lines work then you can usually stay home, in relative safety, while the utility works to restore power. Cell phone towers are vulnerable to the same things that can bring down power lines. Assuming one is able to keep a cell phone charged with things like a generator, solar panel, or whatever, that does not mean the cell tower survived or is repaired quickly.

      Kids. Children are notorious for losing and breaking things, this includes cell phones. If too young to be responsible enough to maintain a cell phone they can still be trained to operate a land line phone in an emergency. Also, I recall several instances of people having issues contacting family at home when a baby-sitter/house-sitter fails in someway in the cell phone department (changes phone number without telling someone, did not charge phone, forgets it, etc.) and someone wants to check on things. A land line always works in this case. Not a specific "disaster" in this case but a number of scenarios could come to mind which could apply.

      Festivals, conventions, other large gatherings. In cases of unusual numbers of people in a location cell phone service can be spotty due to numbers even if people are doing nothing particularly unusual. If there is anything unusual, a fight breaking out, some sort of attack, fire, medical issue, etc. then cell phone towers can get flooded quickly. By using a land line you have a reliable connection, your location is known, etc. by virtue of being connected to a fixed device. Again not a specific disaster, but a case where a bad situation can become worse if a land line is unavailable.

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    11. Re:I wouldn't mind having a land line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but where I'm at, every time there is a disaster, the cellular network goes down within an hour,

      Do you really have disasters that often that you've been able to make this observation?

    12. Re:I wouldn't mind having a land line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      precisely!

    13. Re:I wouldn't mind having a land line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if you can rig some USB charger on the phone plug, to trickle charge a smartphone or dumb phone while stealing a bit of power from the phone network.

      Otherwise well, if emergency and disasters are a thing (they're not much at all in my country except in a few places and times) a topped up beforehand phone, dumb or smart, will be useful as a battery operated FM radio and small flash light.
      Of course there are solar panels and USB mini power banks now but well. If you have old phones and they support FM radio, that would make your drawerware useful for once.

    14. Re:I wouldn't mind having a land line by blindseer · · Score: 1

      I will disagree on amateur radio "always" working. I have an amateur radio license and I will take a radio with me when I travel long distances. I can recall several cases when I could contact a local UHF or VHF repeater and no one was listening. It's gotten to a point that I find my CB radio more useful. Long haul truckers still use CB radio to discuss weather, road hazards, etc. I can imagine CB radio being more useful even when not traveling. FRS/GMRS radios might even be more useful than amateur radios in many cases.

      I will say that in the case of severe weather or similar situations where people or property are generally threatened that amateurs will likely be listening, including myself. In the case of a traffic accident, a medical emergency, or other isolated incident, that an amateur radio is a means of last resort because of this.

      In my basement I have an amateur radio and a CB radio connected to a rooftop antenna. In severe weather I'll turn them on to listen for things happening, and to offer my own reports if relevant. I don't leave them on at all hours to listen for people needing assistance because unless there is a storm or something the conversations are usually very mundane. If done at odd hours these conversations can interrupt something important, like my weekend naps.

      Also, if you can show me a D-STAR radio for less then $100 then I'd be very surprised. I'll see "D-STAR ready" radios for that much but that just means that for an additional cost you can buy the add-on to decode the digital signal.

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    15. Re:I wouldn't mind having a land line by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Do you really have disasters that often that you've been able to make this observation?

      Pennsylvania. Been 2 major events already this year. A winter flood when we got dumped on, a lot of roads and power taken away. and we just had several tornadoes on Monday that we were lucky no one killed, but power being restored to the last people now. We've also had some fall snowstorms while the leaves were still on the trees that have wreaked havoc, and the temps in the winter have gone up high enough that we get more icestorms than regular snow. The weather is kinda unstable these days.

      My emergency generator gets a good workout.

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    16. Re:I wouldn't mind having a land line by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      precisely!

      I forgot to add that I work with emergency communications these days, and have access to data outside of my area. So it isn't just based on verdant Pennsylvania.

      The cellular system is amazing, but do not rely on it in emergencies. Their backup power does not last long, and they get clogged up/dragged down during emergencies. Real emergency systems have diesel backups - like 2 weeks of backup power. Problem with the cellular system is we wouldn't want to pay for that capability at every cell tower.

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    17. Re:I wouldn't mind having a land line by blindseer · · Score: 1

      Other than that, I have found that 100 percent of the calls on my soon to be gone land line are scammers.

      I used to have a land line, but I'm thinking of restoring service. I would simply turn off the ringer on all attached devices to avoid the scams and political calls. I don't want it so people can call me, but so I can call others. I'd also want it for fax service and for dial-up internet when my cable service fails (which seems to happen often). I don't send faxes often but there were times when it came in real handy, usually when dealing with some government agency. Faxes are secure while e-mails are not, and just as fast as e-mail which means not waiting for the postal service to get important documents somewhere.

      My last cell phone had spotty service while at home, which made the land line necessary until I switched phones and providers. With Wi-Fi calling now existing it's rare for me to not have service through some cell tower or Wi-Fi base, at home or elsewhere. I do see the utility in a land line, it's a nice back-up and allows me to send and receive faxes.

      The few people I know that got rid of their land line ended up getting it back at some point. it's a small expense with many advantages, especially now that the phone utilities learned that they cannot charge the rates they used to be able to get away with.

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    18. Re:I wouldn't mind having a land line by xfade551 · · Score: 1

      I live in the U.S. Pacific Northwest, where we have trees, trees, and more trees. If we lose power, it's most often because a tree fell down through the power lines, which continues downward and breaks any telephone and cable service copper and fiber optic lines that are below the power lines. So, yeah, the cell phone towers with backup power (many with microwave LOS relays) prove far more reliable, even if fuel for their backup generators is limited.

    19. Re:I wouldn't mind having a land line by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I used to have a land line, but I'm thinking of restoring service. I would simply turn off the ringer on all attached devices to avoid the scams and political calls. I don't want it so people can call me, but so I can call others.

      Yes, killing the ringer is a sound practice. The main reason I have my landline is that I have a triple play bundle

      I'd also want it for fax service and for dial-up internet when my cable service fails (which seems to happen often). I don't send faxes often but there were times when it came in real handy, usually when dealing with some government agency. Faxes are secure while e-mails are not.....

      I always said I have never picked up a virus via fax. And yes, your post reminded me that it is another use for my landline. The folks I do my investments and finances with like faxes, and while some folks think fax is dead, it definitely is not if you have legal and money issues to deal with.

      Insightful post.

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    20. Re:I wouldn't mind having a land line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I went back to a landline thinking just like you, it'll be more reliable in storms- emergencies- and the like.
      And the true disaster was the actual abuse of the phone itself by third parties, (and phone company that sells customers to them).

      This phone rang off the hook by every marketer & pollster in the world, (literally from around the world!). And that was even AFTER enrolling in the Do Not Call list. Eventually the calls died down to international scams who do not honor the US. DNC list.

      So I figured I'm paying to receive sales calls. It was a gateway for pushy strangers to pushy crap into the sanctity of my home. Now ain't that a rip-off!
      I cancelled with ferver.

      Now, I actually got a bundled deal with internet & phone- great price! But guess what? The phone is not hooked up, it is literally a gateway to hell and woah be to those that hook into those lines. It's not like the old days...

    21. Re:I wouldn't mind having a land line by Zorpheus · · Score: 1

      I don't understand your point. The landline network also needs electricity, to run the switches and all the connected phones.
      Or are cellphone towers in your country not connected to the electricity net?

    22. Re:I wouldn't mind having a land line by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Faxes are secure while e-mails are not

      They're both equally secure. They both typically go unencrypted from endpoint to endpoint, and you have to trust that the communication backbone itself hasn't been tapped.

    23. Re:I wouldn't mind having a land line by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I don't understand your point. The landline network also needs electricity, to run the switches and all the connected phones. Or are cellphone towers in your country not connected to the electricity net?

      I'll provide a link here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Anyhow, despite it's dinosaur like qualities, land line telephones have a lot of sophisticated switching going on that makes them bit more resistant to electrical outage. Usually things can be switched around to provide service. Now this doesn't mean that when the pole outside your house comes grashing down and breaks the lines that you will still have service. But I have had several incidences of the cell phone tower's electricity being cut off. At that point it switches to batteries, and if there are a lot of calls placed on it, congestion happens, and then the batteries die. https://www.bloomberg.com/news.... The congestion happens even if the power stays on.

      This is not to say that People should ditch cells for landlines, merely an admonition that thinking that cells are an effective emergency communication system is going to find you in trouble. We always get stories about how somoene was saved by a cell phone. That's pretty awesome. But people start thinking that it is a panacea. It is not.

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    24. Re:I wouldn't mind having a land line by omnichad · · Score: 1

      the location has a fairly large error zone

      Especially in an apartment building with multiple floors.

    25. Re:I wouldn't mind having a land line by sjames · · Score: 2

      Towers can get knocked down, it depends on the tower and the weather. You can't evacuate for a tornado, for example, but that can certainly take out a cell tower. I've seen cell towers take themselves out due to a battery failure.

    26. Re: I wouldn't mind having a land line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know how you figure that. A lot of scattered equipment has to come up and work for any calls to work on your cell phone. The landline just needs the central office you're wired to to be up. The only benefit cell phones have is text messages generally go thru even when all of the voice circuits are busy. But that only works until the cell tower batteries run flat.

    27. Re:I wouldn't mind having a land line by Zorpheus · · Score: 1

      I guess it would be best to have access to both networks anyway.
      Still, I wonder why cellphone networks would be built less reliable than landline networks. Landline networks also need electricity for the nodes to function. And they fail when cables get damaged, while cellphone networks only need the towers to work. Though at least in my country the electricity for the landline network is supplied through the network itself, so it does not rely on the electricity network. I guess there is the actual problem of cellphone networks, in the lack of redundancy of the American electricity network.

    28. Re:I wouldn't mind having a land line by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Other than that, I have found that 100 percent of the calls on my soon to be gone land line are scammers.

      \

      That's one of the other big problems with land-lines. A never-ending stream of junk calls. You still get junk calls with a cell phone, but nothing like when I had a land-line. If the phone companies had any sense, they'd kick the telemarketers off their network because making the decision to cut the cord is easy once you realize you are basically paying a bunch of money so you can be interrupted and bothered by people you don't even want to talk to.

      And for that matter, if it wasn't for the fact I am pretty much expected to have a phone number to function in society, I'd ditch the cell phone too.

  3. I am 37 years old by Osgeld · · Score: 1

    I am 37 and the last time I had a land line was at my parents house when I moved out in 1999, so its 18 years for me and everyone I know with no POTS, its just downhill from there

    hell even my parents house is VOIP though the cable company

    1. Re:I am 37 years old by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      The only one in my family left on a POTS line is my grandmother.

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    2. Re:I am 37 years old by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      I still have my landline, but if it wasn't free as part of a bundle, I'd probably let it go. My mom still has her landline, but I convinced her to get a cellphone after her landline started acting up.

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  4. Only have it for a hobby by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have adsl internet so I figure I might as well pay a little extra for a landline so I have somewhere to plug in my cool old bakelite rotary dial phone. To be honest though if this were a purely financial decision I wouldn't bother: I just happen to appreciate vintage tech.

    1. Re:Only have it for a hobby by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You can use those old rotary dial phones with VoIP adapters, assuming your gateway supports pulse dialing(which most seem to support).

      I absolutely *LOVE* the old mechanical ringers on those phones. You can also beat someone over the head with it and STILL be able to call the police afterwards too!

    2. Re:Only have it for a hobby by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here. I have my Parent's old "Ivory" Ericofon. It's no longer hooked up to anything, but I can hang a cap on it.
      This, my Cat, took as a particular challenge.

  5. the only phone number i remember by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only phone number I remember anymore is my parents' landline number...from 25 years ago. They don't have a landline anymore.

    1. Re:the only phone number i remember by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here, except that my parents still have the landline. And the number is almost the same except for some additional digits that have been added over the years as phone-number format has evolved.

      Captcha: grafted. Precisely! New digits have been grafted onto the old number.

  6. phone privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would like smartphone: yes.

    Would like surveillance device: no.

  7. Divide by zero by mi · · Score: 0

    but it's $40/mo.

    Of course, it is — the costs of the infrastructure are largely fixed. It (almost) does not matter, whether the network is used by 100 or 100000 people. So, as the number of users dwindles, the costs born by the remaining users go up.

    Watching some old cartoons the other day, I had to explain to my older kid, what "payphone" used to be... The younger one may need the same explanation for a "landline".

    Seriously, if you told someone, you "left your phone at home" in the 1980ies (or even early 90ies), they would've thought, you are crazy... Is not technology wonderful?

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    1. Re:Divide by zero by Jetstream · · Score: 1

      I haven't had a landline for a few years, since I ditched AT&T DSL for cable internet, but I kind of miss the "thrill" I got with my first cordless phone, freeing me from the tyranny of the handset being cabled to the phone. Then there were the cool little Uniden 648 handsets that were as small as a cellphone. I miss those days when I didn't even feel a real need to constantly have a phone attached to my body. Even now, about the only real reasons for me to have a cellphone are: 1) as mentioned, landlines w/long-distance are just crazy expensive in comparison to a basic prepaid flip-phone plan, and 2) you pretty much need a cellphone if you break down these days because payphones are basically nonexistent.

    2. Re:Divide by zero by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      I haven't had a landline for a few years, since I ditched AT&T DSL for cable internet,

      I was using my landline phone to call the cable company to report a complete service outage, and as part of the script this agent actually tried to sell me Comcast Voice. As in, how'd I like to put a few more of my eggs in the Comcast basket?

    3. Re:Divide by zero by Jetstream · · Score: 1

      Bundling may seem to reduce your costs overall, but it makes it that much harder to switch providers if you ever decide to. (which is no doubt precisely why the companies try to push it so much)

    4. Re: Divide by zero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, it is â" the costs of the infrastructure are largely fixed. It (almost) does not matter, whether the network is used by 100 or 100000 people. So, as the number of users dwindles, the costs born by the remaining users go up.

      40 dollars a month is less than I was paying in the Nineties. I pay a little more now, but I get a ton of features and it is through fiber anyway, so...it is far less than I would have paid for the same thing back then.

      Your analysis is flawed, and that isn't even considering the home lines that are wireless now.

      Watching some old cartoons the other day, I had to explain to my older kid, what "payphone" used to be... The younger one may need the same explanation for a "landline".

      Here, use this reference.

      Seriously, if you told someone, you "left your phone at home" in the 1980ies (or even early 90ies), they would've thought, you are crazy... Is not technology wonderful?

      Not according to Hitler.

    5. Re:Divide by zero by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Yup. Time-Spectrum has my landline for no extra cost, but that means if I switch to someone else, I'll have the extra hassle of switching phone too. Or going 100% cellphone.

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  8. First TIme in History? by mentil · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Pretty sure in 1800, the majority of U.S. households did not own a landline telephone.

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    1. Re:First TIme in History? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But they did have a wireless telephone?

    2. Re:First TIme in History? by toddestan · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure the majority of households in 1800 didn't have a cellphone either.

  9. Cellphone-only households are a stupid idea. by hey! · · Score: 4, Funny

    There should be at least one person to actually use the cell phones.

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    1. Re:Cellphone-only households are a stupid idea. by Jetstream · · Score: 1

      You're right, the house doesn't need a cellphone OR a landline. Alexa uses the internet. (so I hear)

  10. We have a landline... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But it's required with our DSL service. It is never used and I have the ringer turned off so telemarketers can't annoy. We only have one option for broadband (low end - not really considered broadband, speed wise). We have the internet package only even. (and still get the phone tied in) Thanks, TDS.

    1. Re:We have a landline... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not required for my DSL (my ISP offers bare wire service), but I have a landline anyway because it's only $10 more per month and gives me free calling throughout the US, Canada, Mexico and they give me free minutes every month to many other countries. A real telephone line is also much more reliable than any VoIP solution.

  11. In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In other news, the majority of US households are stupid consumeroids that will do whatever the TV tells them.

    1. Re:In other news by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      TV? What TV? I haven't watched TV in 20+ years. Last I checked the Big Three networks were history.

    2. Re:In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, all three of them are still around and doing fine.

    3. Re:In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3? Speak for yourself, I only watch Fox..

    4. Re:In other news by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Nope, all three of them are still around and doing fine.

      They're around but they don't have the same influence when they were just the Big Three networks. For example, the only time I hear about CBS is when they're pissing on the fan-made videos of Star Trek.

  12. no Cable or DSL Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many of those mobile phones are used mostly for voice communications?

  13. fax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Voip and cell phones don't work for this.

    1. Re:fax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My VOIP provider supports FAX.

    2. Re:fax by corychristison · · Score: 3, Informative

      Indeed. And in many cases if they don't offer T.38 (the fax standard over VOIP), they offer an e-mail based Fax gateway that's even easier to use than using a physical machine.

  14. Eehhh It's free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My "landline" is literally free, since it's VOIP. It only cost me a bit to activate the line but since then it's been free with an actual number that I can make and receive calls from anywhere on earth. In fact, I can call the other side of the country, free of charge, while my old provider charged me an arm and a leg to do so, every minutes.

  15. Copper theft by p51d007 · · Score: 2

    Can you imagine the amount of copper theft, if thieves knew that a lot of those old copper trunk lines have for the most part been abandoned? Yeah, some old alarm systems and a few older landline phones, but most POTS phones are long gone, leaving most of the copper just hanging there. I know one of the trunk lines in my town is abandoned, because at&t doesn't even bother pumping the liquid nitrogen into the line to dry out the moisture like they use to. They kept a tank on that line for over 15 years but last year they took it off, a few years after they buried fiber in the same footprint under the ground.

    1. Re:Copper theft by Hans+Lehmann · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Do you really think that Joe CrackHead would stop to think whether phones are still in use before he stripped and sold them? "Oh no, I better not steal these wires to support my habit; someone might still talking to their mother on them. I should wait until I receive official notice that they're no longer in use before I resort to my plan of thievery!"

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    2. Re:Copper theft by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Can you imagine the amount of copper theft, if thieves knew that a lot of those old copper trunk lines have for the most part been abandoned?

      Since when the service status of copper (active / abandoned / etc) have any impact on copper theft.

    3. Re:Copper theft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Do you really think that Joe CrackHead would stop to think whether phones are still in use before he stripped and sold them?

      "Oh no, I better not steal these wires to support my habit; someone might still talking to their mother on them. I should wait until I receive official notice that they're no longer in use before I resort to my plan of thievery!"

      People get scared of what might happen if it's live, but think it's fair game if it's abandoned.

      The railway near where I live de-electrified one of their lines, and sold the copper overhead for scrap. The scrap dealer who bought it decided to leave it there for a couple of years before tearing it down as copper prices were shooting upwards at the time. They just left it electrified with a few hundred volts. Once word got out that electric trains no longer ran on that line, there were about half a dozen idiots a year getting zapped as they tried to steal it. The survivors thought it was really unfair that the catenary was still live when it was supposed to be abandoned.

    4. Re:Copper theft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when the service status of copper (active / abandoned / etc) have any impact on copper theft.

      Well, there's this.

  16. Huh? by Obfuscant · · Score: 2

    Young adults (25-34) and those who rent are most likely to live wireless-only, as 70 percent of that demographic lives with a landline.

    If 70 percent of any demographic lives with landline phone service, how can they be most likely to be without landline phone service? Interesting use of statistics, I think.

    1. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's obviously a typo.

      They clearly meant to write "... as 70 percent of that demographic lives without a landline."

      Emphasis mine.

    2. Re:Huh? by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      Those groups are more likely than other groups to be wireless-only, not that those groups are more likely to be wireless-only than they are to have al landline.

  17. VOIP? by corychristison · · Score: 1

    Does VOIP count?

    I have a business VOIP Line.

    I've converted my inlaws to a VOIP line just this week. Their landline was $45/mo (with tax in). The VOIP line I'm expecting to be less than $10/mo based on their previous monthly average usage. $3/mo for the DID and around 500-700 minutes at $0.01 per minute.

  18. And yet... by demonlapin · · Score: 1

    It doesn't cost very much (mine is $20/mo), it's a redundant method of being contacted that works even when the power is out, and the call quality is much, much better than my cell phone (weak service area). And you have a phone number that you can give out to people that doesn't hit your cell phone.

    I use my cell phone for work. It's critical for that. I don't need people spamming me. If you spam my landline? Well, for starters, it doesn't take texts, so those fall into the bit bucket. They almost never leave a message, so I don't even have to go to the tiny trouble of deleting those. Srsly, young people, get a good-quality cordless phone system with answering machine. Hook it up to VOIP if you want (insanely cheap; the last VOIP service I used was something like $3/mo for the number and 1 cent per minute for outgoing calls), or get something with a little more redundancy. When you do make a call, you'll find it much more pleasant. Heck, get a Panasonic with Link2Cell even if you don't have another line - it's just so much nicer to use a real phone to make calls when you need to.

    1. Re:And yet... by msk · · Score: 1

      It costs a lot here, for AT&T. Every couple of months, the price went up. When they botched a move of DSL service to a new residence, I gave up on AT&T and went wireless-only for primary phone. I have Google Voice which I use on cable internet for those times I don't want to use airtime.

      As for a real phone, I can connect a headset to my mobile or use Google Voice with a gaming quality headset.

      Long term, I should be paying less per month than I was with AT&T in the mix.

    2. Re:And yet... by avandesande · · Score: 1

      20$ invested in index fund at 7%, that is $52,822.50 in 40 years

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    3. Re:And yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      20$ invested in index fund at 7%, that is $52,822.50 in 40 years

      Amazingly that's about the same number as one latte a week at Starbucks...

    4. Re:And yet... by lifeisshort · · Score: 1

      $47,912.43, to be precise. =FV(7%, 40, -240)

  19. How many actually communicate by voice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mostly just text messages here, not sure the last time I did voice calls, if it comes to that I just meet face to face but usually too busy or straight avoiding the phone altogether and answer text when there is a lull. Async communication just works better.

  20. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and you get dependable 911 service too

  21. They still get paid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I pay about $5/mo per cell line in landline tax on my cellphone bill.

  22. Survey did NOT define "landline" as POTS by cshay · · Score: 3, Informative

    From the survey:

    Landline = "at least one phone inside your home that is
    currently working and is not a cell phone.â

    This includes a phone via cable internet.

    So not POTS. POTS has probably already been a minority for years.

    1. Re:Survey did NOT define "landline" as POTS by xfade551 · · Score: 1

      But how many people actually hook up a landline phone to the VOIP port on the cable modem? Comcast, for example, charges more for internet+cable TV if you don't take the service package that also includes the bundled VOIP service, so a lot of us take the three-service package, and never hook up the landline phone. (It also gives the scammers one more number to waste their time calling, but will never be picked up.)

  23. A landline phone is useful as a 'decoy' by Ross+Finlayson · · Score: 1

    A landline phone is still useful if you're asked for a phone number (e.g., in an online form). You give them the phone number of your landline - but you never answer that landline phone. Instead, make all incoming landline calls go to an answering machine (that you check every few days, just in case you get a useful call).

    Meanwhile, use your cell phone for all 'real' calls.

    The drawback of doing this is that you have to pay for the landline - but that's only ~$20-something/month in the US.

    1. Re:A landline phone is useful as a 'decoy' by quenda · · Score: 2

      This makes no sense when you can get a VoIP service to do the same for a fraction of the cost.

      Or outside the US, a second mobile service. Here I can have a prepaid second mobile with all calls going to voicemail, which is sent as an MMS.
      I think I put $20 a year on it to keep it going. A pity you have to pay for incoming calls.

  24. Why has it taken so long? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pretty interesting that this drop under 50% mark happens this late...

    In Finland (granted, an extreme example) they dropped under 50% around 2005-2006, current percentage being around 7,5% (includes operator provided VoIP as well - if counting POTS only it is somewhat lower).

    The standard answer that USA is so large and sparsely populated doesn't apply here, as proving mobile connectivity is much cheaper than maintaining POTS network.

    1. Re:Why has it taken so long? by plague911 · · Score: 1

      Sunk cost and social inertia. Maintance is a small reoccurring fee. Closing a critical service incurs a onetime large cost. Which is cheaper paying $10000 every day for the next 10 years or paying $10,000,000 once, right now? Now which ones has the easier approval process? Those answers differ.

  25. What a coincidence! by sabbede · · Score: 1
    I just, as in earlier this week, cancelled my landline. It was part of a cable bundle deal that was cheaper (though not by much) than just both cable and internet for two years. Deal ended, I cancelled the voice service. Never did hook up a phone.

    I'm about to turn 40 and my girlfriend is about to turn 50, so I think we're in the "old farts that probably still have a landline" demographic.

  26. Solution to lost phones by marciot · · Score: 1

    I have an invention that can solve that problem. It's a smartphone case with a cord that attaches to the wall, so you'll never loose your phone again. Patent pending.

    1. Re:Solution to lost phones by omnichad · · Score: 1
  27. People with Kids by b0bby · · Score: 1

    I kept my landline for years because my kids were old enough to stay at home alone sometimes, but didn't yet have their own phones. I then ported my number to google voice and use an Obi to connect my old handset to it. I pay $0 each month now, but I have no 911 service. I did redirect 911 to my local non-emergency call center, who are the people who answer 911 anyway just at a higher priority.
    At this point I rarely pick that line up, unless it's a delivery or something, everyone I care about uses my cell number.

  28. This might not be a good idea by CrossCom · · Score: 1

    Although it might be growing in popularity to become a "cord cutter" (in terms of phones) many people forget: Some loan companies (especially mortgages) require the recipient to have a land line. In the event of a natural disaster a land line might be more reliable than a cell phone. Cell towers can be taken out while phone lines are buried. Even when your power is out, you might still be able to make a land-line call because their system is powered separately.

    1. Re:This might not be a good idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No-one can "require" you to maintain a landline for a loan...this is BS.

  29. Not quite true by h2oliu · · Score: 1

    There was a minority of households having landlines from 1876-19xx. Sorry, couldn't find the number.

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  30. And the rest... by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 1

    Most households now do not have a landline ... and the rest wish they didn't, but are forced to take one because it's included in Triple Play "bundles" and it actually costs more to NOT have it.

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  31. A landline that has been deactivated will usually be attached to a limited dial tone that can only be used to dial 911 (or to order telephone service). So if you have the opportunity to abandon a landline, consider it a free emergency phone.

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    1. Re: 911 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if you get no dial tone, dialing 911 on a disconnected landline will ring to emergency services.

  32. Law revision to allow spam calling cells in 1, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anybody want to bet with the current orgy of selling citizens to corps that the laws making it illegal to junk call cellphones will be repealed soon?

  33. Plain old telephone service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I sure wish an acronym used three times would have spelled it out at least once. You know, for those of us not in the telcom, (I mean telecommunications) industry.

    Sigh, I guess we're all in our own little heads this morning aren't we?

    "Plain old telephone service"

  34. Regulate the industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Time for the FCC to jump in and regulate the cell industry. Payback for all the smoke-and-mirrors they've played on consumers all these years. Too bad!

  35. Not POTS, but still "Landline" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a skewed number. For example, AT&T no longer offers POTS phone lines in SC. You can only get a "landline" from AT&T via their U-Verse service, which is IP based. These lines do not count as "landlines" per government statistics.

    That said, I haven't had a true POTS landline in about 7 years.

  36. Scam Landlines by NotFamous · · Score: 1

    I wonder how many people are like me. For years I had no home phone. They I signed up for Charter (now Spectrum) Internet and Cable service. I wound up having to let them give me a landline or else I would have had to pay a higher price. I don't use the landline. In fact, I tried to use it, and received a large number of spam calls from...Charter! They were trying to collect money from the previous owner of the phone number they gave me. There was no way to convince them that I am the sad new recipient of the number, and not the old person they took it away from. Weird! So I am probably counted among Land Line users even though I didn't want it and they forced me not to actually use it by spam calling me. 'Murica!

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  37. Wait, what? Seriously? by hackel · · Score: 1

    I had no idea there was anywhere *near* 50% of homes that still had a landline in 2017. That is insane to me. I thought we finally gave up on them a decade ago or so. Are they including VoIP as well? I hope this means we can finally end any and all subsidies given to communication companies for landlines. There is simply no need for them, anymore. Honestly, I'd be fine if the government subsidized some kind of VoIP device for those remaining senior citizen luddites who refuse to adapt to the modern world rather than allow this antiquated technology continue. It must cost us a fortune to maintain all those lines.

  38. Not us by sremick · · Score: 1

    Sorry, but you'll pry my landline out of my cold dead fingers. I imagine those that are cell-only are a mix of spoiled urban dwellers combined with idiotic rural folks who probably also see smoke detectors, fire extinguishers, and first-aid kits as wastes of money too. If they could save $1000 on their car and not get seatbelts, they'd probably do that too.

    So here's a reality check for all of you folks living in your urban distortion bubble: cell phones are unreliable for the majority of the country that aren't cities. Power goes out, cell phone reception is weak often on a good day, and also prone to going out from weather, power outages, and other random acts of nature and human stupidity. When the closest hospital is 30 mins away and the police might be the same, the last thing you want is your safety to be at the whim of a technology as fickle and fragile as cell phones. Our land line never goes out. Ever. The power was out for days due to Irene but the land line still worked and was a critical lifeline to the outside world. Batteries and generators kept the computing equipment working for the internet connection (which runs over the phone line: DSL). In fact, we have zero cell phone reception without our landline.. which provides the DSL which then allows the microcell to connect. Since you've got the copper loop already live for the DSL, the few bucks more per month to have dialtone enabled on it is well worth the investment. Cable internet? A joke... goes down multiple times a week, unreliable and the cable company are a bunch of incompetent crooks who can't fix something to save their lives and will charge you through the ass for it regardless. So I pay less than cable and get 50/25 MBit DSL which is rock solid.

    So yeah, while all the young idiots are bitching because the battery backups on the cell towers died again from the latest storm-triggered power outage, I'll be cozy and rocking on my landline again thank you. Happens many times a year, in all those places that aren't cities... you know, most of the area of the USA.

  39. I finally am... by darkpixel2k · · Score: 1

    I finally am cellphone-only after a decade of my internet provider refusing to provide internet service unless I had a phone line.

    I know what you're thinking, DSL requires a phone line, right? Nope. They provide fiber to the home, but they won't provision it unless you also get their VoIP service because (they claim) of some FCC requirement. ....at a cost of $30 for the phone line.

    It made their base package:
    $60/mo for 5 down/1 up plus $30 for a phone line that isn't connected to anything.
    The total cost with taxes and stuff was around $105/mo.

    Their high-end package was $250/mo for 1gbit/1gbit, but after running lots of performance tests they were usually only able to provide about 250mbit/500mbit.

    Their answer was "well, sometimes during peak usage you might not be able to get the full 1gbit.

    Yeah...using a bit of linux scripting, I ran a speed test every 5 minutes for a week. 95th percentile was about 250mbit and their highest was 330mbit.

    They finally dropped the VoIP requirement about a month ago.

    ...now if I could just figure out how to lease a strand of all that fiber that runs past my house to Seattle, I'd throw up a wireless network and start serving my neighbors...

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  40. internet os by tailgunner_050 · · Score: 1

    This figure goes hand in hand with the recent study that showed more people accessing the net with android over windows.

  41. Google Voice == No privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google has said they will monetize your calling records to advertisers and share your date with third parties. So your call to the STD clinic or Bishop is now data for them to munch on.

    Google regularly shares information with affiliates, subsidiaries and other third parties. Although the Google Voice Privacy Policy might lead one to believe otherwise, the general Google Privacy policy applies to the sharing of private data gathered by the Google Voice system. This is true of many private companies that have access to even a small amount of your private data and is difficult to avoid.
    Another unwanted but expected intrusion is in the inability to wipe your data history. Although you can delete data from your active accounts, your data is likely to be backed up somewhere permanently. Unlike data stored on your own hard drive, which might also be “deleted” but still accessible, you have no access to Google’s data storage to truly wipe out any record of the data like you could on your own hard drive.
    The ugliest part is the increased data mining and profiling power that Google will have. This is increasingly more commonplace and difficult to avoid in any area of life. With the power over so many aspects of a user’s communications, if one isn’t careful, a very detailed profile of you can be built that identifies you, even if you never use your real name in any form in your communications. One must be very conscious to avoid this kind of intrusion.

    1. Re:Google Voice == No privacy by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Point taken, but it's not as if I trust my third-party VoIP provider, cellular phone provider, or indeed the trunk of the US phone system either...

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