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Days Before Election: Macron Campaign Says It Is the Victim of Massive, Coordinated Hacking Campaign (cnbc.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from CNBC: A large trove of emails from the campaign of French presidential candidate Emmanuel Macron was posted online late on Friday, a little more than a day before voters go to the polls to choose the country's next president in a run-off against far-right rival Marine Le Pen. Some nine gigabytes of data were posted by a user called EMLEAKS to Pastebin, a document-sharing site that allows anonymous posting. It was not immediately clear who was responsible for posting the data or whether the emails were genuine. In a statement, Macron's political movement En Marche! (Onwards!) confirmed that it had been hacked. "The En Marche! Movement has been the victim of a massive and co-ordinated hack this evening which has given rise to the diffusion on social media of various internal information," the statement said. In its statement on Friday, En Marche! said that the documents released online only showed the normal functioning of a presidential campaign, but that authentic documents had been mixed on social media with fake ones to sow "doubt and misinformation." "The seriousness of this event is certain and we shall not tolerate that the vital interests of democracy be put at risk," it added.
So far as I can see, it's no big secret that Putin would like to destabilize the EU, especially NATO countries, because a weak EU/NATO means it's easier for him to implement his long-term agenda.
Now who could possibly want to damage Macron, other than the Le Pen campaign?
How is Democracy at risk over this? Does not "information want to be free"? Is not it good that voters know more about the candidate, than less?
Suppose, somebody hacked Trump's tax-returns — would that also be denounced as a threat to Democracy, or cheered?
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Of course, they do — financed by Russia Le Pen wants to lift sanctions against Kremlin and endorsed Crimea "occupendum" as a legitimate transfer of Ukraine's land to Russia.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
#3: You gonna get hacked!
Why do I assume it was a Windows machine that was compromised? Because it's always* a Windows machine that gets compromised.
* excludes all instances of morons running internet-facing PHP sites *cough*wordpress*cough*
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
In other news, fucking kneejerk clueless idiots are fucking kneejerk clueless idiots. Like yourself, for example.
Julian, if you're listening, the check is in the mail. It's a bigly check, believe me. You're a great guy, many people are saying you're the greatest person to witness the Civil War. We're going to make the best prison pen pals, believe me.
It's very clear who is responsible. Is your memory span so short?
The title uses 'coordinated' but the description uses 'co-ordinated', which just seems silly. I really wish we could standardise co- words.
Personally, I think we should standardise on the hyphenated versions, since they leave far less room for misinterpretation. When I see 'coworker' I always read it 'cow orker', and when I see the double 'o' in words like coordinated and cooperate I always read it as in food. The co- clarifies the pronunciation.
I call for a meeting of world leaders to resolve this matter once and for all. If the meetings breaks down the co- side should declare war on the coo side, because we're clearly right!
This is not likely to have an impact, IMO, as majority of french voters are already convinced that both candidates are highly toxic.
Many will vote Macron while they hate him, because they consider Le Pen to be more dangerous. Hence a smear campaign against Macron is unlikely to change their votes.
I was about to make a joke about your mixed metaphor "horse in this fight", only to discover that horse fighting is apparently a real thing.
"He's a liar whose lawyer is lying about his lying lawyer's lies."
They don't have a horse i this fight.
Le Pen wins, the entire EU will likely collapse. The Russians don't have a horse in this fight. They have the whole barn and every living create in it in this fight.
> Has it been? Citations?
This is one of those non-denial denials. They use the statement to sow doubt about all of the documents, while leaving themselves an out when any docs are later verified. The last time someone claimed that, it was Donna Brazille. My past comments go into great detail, down to posting the DKIM keys and how to obtain them, as to why her statement could be proven mathematically false with a key from Hillary's own DNS server. Given that this confirms there are real documents out there, the onus should be put on the deniers to identify which items are fake.
It's fascinating how the media is only now catching up to this. It's also fascinating that nobody has bothered to show people where they might be obtained: http://archive.is/eQtrm
What do you mean "at it again?" If you're talking about the U.S. election, the only "hacking" (it wasn't hacking) against Hillary was someone who guessed Podesta's password, which was "password" and stole their emails. The stolen emails are probably related to the sudden murder of former disgruntled DNC staffer Seth Rich, which was ruled a robbery despite the fact that he was shot in the back of the head while in his car and no items were apparently stolen from the crime scene.
Now who could possibly want to damage Macron, other than the Le Pen campaign?
His MILF's relatives?
Why is there a strange feeling of deja vu? Anybody else have a feeling this is a scene out of The Matrix and you see a black cat cross your path yet again?
Accuracy is always good, but a lot of it is subjective. And, besides, when Hillary's e-mails were posted, no one protested the content. People were outraged over "Putin" meddling in the US elections, but I don't recall anyone calling any particular e-mail a fake...
Hillary's E-mails were verified by their DKIM headers. As far as I'm aware, none of those E-mails have been shown as fake, and it would be pretty hard to fake the DKIM signature or claim that an E-mail was fake if it had a correct DKIM signature.
I don't know if a similar mechanism is available here, we'll probably find out in the next day or so.
Overall, I'm completely in favor of any correct (verified, impossible to fake) data dump on political candidates, including Trump and other GOP leaders if there were any.
We've always said "if you don't want people to know what you're doing, don't put it on the internet". What's good for the people is good for the leaders. We need to show them what it's like to have shit for privacy, like us.
This sort of thing will only make cheating and corruption harder for future candidates. Knowing that any aide or sysadmin could make their innermost decisions public lowers the "iiquidity" of such actions quite a bit. Even cell phone conversations cannot be considered private any more.
Data dumps are currently spotty and one-sided, but I expect future big elections will show both sides in stark.
And that's a good thing.
lol
Whilst I agree that 'troll' is not synonymous with 'I disagree', your comment is sufficiently fact-free that were it possible, I'd mark it 'troll.'
How dare they release proof of my illegal and immoral activity to the people I was about to con into electing me to the highest position in the land.
This is not a court decision or even a breaking story by a reputable news agency. This a leek. And more importantly — shortly before the election. As with any breaking story, at first there is a ton of confusion and disinformation and it takes time to figure out what is true and what is just a fantasy. You can't just do that in a day. If you think this leek is a "proof", I am glad you were raised in such an honest and trusting community.
This has the smell of something the Macron campaign released to blame on LePen. Someone wanting to help LePen would have released it earlier and given people a chance to examine the documents.
You have an *exceptionally bad* sense of "smell" and clearly no idea how a smear campaign is done. The document release was deliberately done *one hour* before a French law that imposes a media blackout on election discussions, preventing Macron from refuting the legitimacy of the documents in the document dump. Macron was way ahead in the polls--it makes ZERO sense for Macron to poison his own lead. The document dump has all the hallmarks of Russian election tampering that has happened both in the US and in multiple European elections.
Just so you know... a leek is that big-daddy green-oniony looking thing that goes really great in soup.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Well,
I work in cyber security. If I could see the raw evidence of these attacks I would be able to make up my own mind.
Until then its strictly "so they say".
More info at http://www.zerohedge.com/news/...
Of course the culpable stuff will be 'fake'.
But I say: where there's smoke, there's fire.
Macron is a Rothschild puppet.
- Target Progressives
- Leak at last minute to prevent effective rebuttal
- Seed with fake items in mass of mundane rubbish
There should be no doubt that Assanger is FSB asset.
Assanger recently meet the Farrage.
Expect a similar fake leak just before the upcoming UK General Election.
This need to be exposed for what it is, 21st Century Propaganda from from Russia. The pattern is the same every time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
The word "create" instead of "creature" brought to you by 2:44am
...since they were in French...
"I'm not anti-anything, I'm anti-everything, it fits better." - Sole
"go to my website", lol
Just so you know... a leek is that big-daddy green-oniony looking thing that goes really great in soup.
Frankly, those 9GB might as well be :)
I don't think Macron needs to worry about losing and probably he doesn't either.
No, your children are not the special ones. Nor are your pets.
Hillary didnt need to worry about losing either.. and she was far ahead in the "polls" heh.
Anyone that has a beef with Macron which after the revelations of offshore accounts to accept bribes and evade taxes should be: every French voter benefits.
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The entire EU has been on the brink of collapse since it began. Now the people are sick of the defacto German occupation of their countries destabilizing their sovereignty through forced trade and immigration.
Unlike the US individual states have a strong form of nationalism towards their states and the European Union has tried hard to erase that culture even going as far as ruling that local laws are trumped even when they don't cross the border.
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Russia and France do share a bit of history.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
This election is a strange one.
First turn, there were 4 major parties sharing about a quarter of the votes each, plus outsiders. This is unusual. Normally there are two major parties, like in many countries. Out of two traditional parties, the right wing candidate arrived 3rd and didn't pass and the left wing candidate ended up as one of the outsiders.
The result is that we now have two candidates that most of the population doesn't want. Meaning that many people will vote Macron to prevent Le Pen from passing and others will vote Le Pen just to go against Macron. Many people want to damage Macron, not just Le Pen campaigners.
Anyways, for the presidential elections, the game is pretty much set : Macron will win. The polls give him about 60%, Le Pen is just too unpopular for anyone but her supporters.
However, the presidential election will be followed by the parlement elections, and this is where the real game is being played now.
Obviously the work of the Russians, based on... well, I said so. And the US hack had all the markings of a Russian hack, which we know all about in detail, and I'm sure every other major govt does as well, but nobody could have left that trail themselves.
And we know about the major hacking operation of sending a phishing email to John Podesta asking him to enter his password into a form on a random website, and Russian mind rays made him actually do it.
So have you stopped beating your wife yet?
I rhought she ran on pills and booze.
They may or may not be entirely genuine — but you did claim, there was misinformation mixed in. This was a claim — made by you — that remains unsubstantiated by any citations...
What? Why? For all we know, there may be a 1000 genuine copies of real documents and 1 slightly altered — to remain believable, but appear more damning somehow. This — adding a little bit of lies into loads of truth is one of the dishonest propaganda methods (there can be honest propaganda). But to assert, as you did, that such mixing really did happen, you need to cite an example. At least one...
Because her life offers so many good examples of how lies and truth are "fluid" and a "social construct".
It should be. It may even already be. But humans aren't perfect — and certainly not omniscient Recall, if you will, the standards like "based on preponderance of evidence" vs. "beyond reasonable doubt" vs. "beyond any doubt". A statement may hold up to the first one, but not to the third — perhaps not even the second. Is the statement true?
You may be sick of Ms. Clinton as an example, so consider O.J. Simpson — the statement: "he killed his wife and her lover" is false according to the "reasonable doubt" standard (used by criminal courts), but true on the preponderance of evidence (used in the civil suits)... So much for the "truth is absolute"...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
How is this problem unique to the recent elections? Mark Twain wrote his Running for Governor in the 1870 — you really ought to read it to get rid of these silly beliefs, that our contemporary politicians are somehow uniquely bad and good.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
The entire EU has been on the brink of collapse since it began.
Please don't post while smoking weed. The EU has been on a steady growth with only local some old locals in countries bitching about it. There has always been talk of discontent but never anything material.
Now the people are sick of the defacto German occupation of their countries destabilizing their sovereignty through forced trade and immigration.
People are sick of muslim migration, that's about it. Forced trade? Yeah damn those Germans sharing wealth through creating a large free trade bloc.
the European Union has tried hard to erase that culture even going as far as ruling that local laws are trumped even when they don't cross the border.
Again no such thing. Culture is very much preserved. The only laws trumping local laws are nationalistic laws that seek to purposefully impede other countries. Kind of like what you get whenever any country decides to negotiate a trade agreement with any other country.
She was a good candidate because she would have been a sane and experienced captain of the US Uncle Sam that at least would make a decent attempt to steer that ship into safe and prosperous waters. Just like No Drama Obama. Unfortunately that is not what the US electorate wants. They want entertainment and thrills. They sure got their wish with the current resident.
If you want to start a reasoned discussion about the pros and cons of the use of force of the previous administration you are welcome, but you will have to do more than just spout some immature insults. And you'll also have to be prepared for comparisons with the words and actions of the current administration on this subject.
So how about those strong net neutrality laws in the Netherlands then? Or the 'home copy' rights in Belgium and Netherlands? Or the tax on profits realized by religious "non-profits" in France?
They were removed by the EU because they had different laws and corporations spoke up. Same goes for immigration, various law enforcement and copyright laws.
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The same thing that happens with any trade deal between countries. We have international trade courts, and trade deals which trump local laws as well. I didn't say it doesn't happen only that those laws that do get overturned are the ones that aren't compatible with the rest of the bloc and result in advantages one way or another which is in breach of the trade requirements. Blaming this on the EU, or even thinking that non-EU countries don't do the same thing is incredibly ignorant.
You'd realise this if you actually looked into any of the topics you listed, e.g. the net neutrality laws passed in the NL, which were fine by themselves, except that now the EU introduced it's own version they were found to be incompatible. Now go and introduce a law that specifically goes against something that is written in a trade agreement in your country and let me know how long before you get hauled in front of courts.
The other interesting thing will be the reaction in France over the next few days over how this leak has been handled.
Their electoral commission banning mention of anything within the leak - whether leaked or not - sounds like an attempt to influence the election; I'd expect a reaction and response to that.
There has always been talk of discontent but never anything material.
No, Brexit isn't material and wasn't remotely influenced by two decades of campaigning, public awareness and politics by independence parties.
damn those Germans sharing wealth
Yeah, ask the southern European members of the Eurozone how much wealth is being shared.
The only laws trumping local laws are nationalistic laws that seek to purposefully impede other countries.
I'm not sure that sentence says what you intended it to say. But why the fuck should the EU be allowed to prevent the UK from having 0% VAT (sales tax) on tampons? I really don't understand how this benefits trans-European trade.
Culture is very much preserved.
That's a very subjective perspective. I'm not sure the ladies of Cologne would agree that their culture was preserved. I don't think the British culture of independence and self-determination was even acknowledged, let alone preserved. The European ideals of democracy were entirely fucking ignored.
As a trading bloc the EU has a lot going for it. Unfortunately that's never been enough for the political elite running it, and that's why it's going to die.
so the fact that im speaking truth makes me a screwball?
Yeah, ask the southern European members of the Eurozone how much wealth is being shared.
Look if you can't follow a conversation, please stay out of it.
Feyenoord just lost a football match. It thought I'd mention that since it was just as relevant as your reply to the topic of what people think of Germany.
The European ideals of democracy were entirely fucking ignored
By a democratically appointed parliament made of members of the nation states?
*golf clap*.
I don't know which is funniest.
Shouldn't you be be busy defrauding pensioners and schools?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
as relevant as your reply to the topic of what people think of Germany
http://fortune.com/2014/10/22/...
http://greece.greekreporter.co...
Oh look. I'm entirely on fucking topic regarding the sharing of wealth. So sorry for breaking your shitty false narrative.
By a democratically appointed parliament made of members of the nation states?
Sure. Remind me, who democratically elected Juncker?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...
Shit, if you want to list good things the EU has achieved then by all means do that. But at least try including some basic checkable fucking facts.