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More Than Half of US Workers Didn't Use Up Their Time Off Last Year (qz.com)

An anonymous reader shares an article: Americans, famously, take far less vacation time than their European counterparts: less than 17 days, on average, compared to 30 days in France, for example. But for many Americans, that's apparently all the time they need. More than half of all US employees (54%) didn't use all their days off last year, working a combined total of 662 million more days than required. Of those days, 206 million couldn't be rolled over or cashed out, meaning they were forfeited, costing the equivalent of $66 billion, according to a report (PDF) from Project: Time Off, a group funded by the travel industry. While it's a group with a strong interest in promoting more vacations, their findings are still revealing about America's unhealthy reluctance to take time off. Almost 60% of US workers who don't take their allotted vacation say they fear the amount of work they'll have to return to, according to the survey of 7,331 working Americans. Others (47%) say they stay put because they believe no one else can do their job, or because they want to impress their bosses with their dedication (36%).

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  1. Of Course by segedunum · · Score: 5, Informative

    US workers are absolutely terrified of taking time off lest it gets used against them in a review and they get fired and replaced at a moment's notice. How many people really think anyone at Netflix or elsewhere takes advantage of the ludicrous notion of 'unlimited holidays'? But hey, the American dream........

    1. Re:Of Course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Word. I get a lot of time off, but when I try to use it my boss is always "oh, we don't have coverage (BS), or "you are using it too fast/often" (also BS). Of course it doesn't roll over or get paid out at the end of the year, either.

    2. Re:Of Course by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 5, Informative

      The company I work for frowns on workers who do not take time off. Management puts out on a regular occasion that paid time off is to be used, not stored.

      And there is a legitimate reason management should do this. Perhaps they have studied the science behind this.

      Numerous studies have shown that worker productivity increases with regular time off. The worker who takes 6 weeks of vacation in a year is going to get more done over the course of a year than a worker who takes 2 weeks. They may be out the office for an extra 4 weeks, but productivity increases enough that they get more done total.

      Despite companies in the US resisting to increase vacation time, it's actually in their best interest to do so.

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    3. Re:Of Course by geekmux · · Score: 5, Insightful

      US workers are absolutely terrified of taking time off lest it gets used against them in a review and they get fired and replaced at a moment's notice. How many people really think anyone at Netflix or elsewhere takes advantage of the ludicrous notion of 'unlimited holidays'? But hey, the American dream........

      Companies need to respect vacation. Otherwise, what in the FUCK is the point of issuing it out to every employee? Managers need to respect that their human employees need some time away from the high-stress workplace every now and then.

      And no, I don't agree with companies having a policy of letting you cash out on unused vacation. That's just an excuse to keep you at your job. You need to take some time off every now and then. We ALL do.

      In this particular aspect, the Europeans GET IT. And we Americans have completely lost that concept, to the detriment of our minds, our bodies, and the working society as a whole. FUCK simply dismissing this. American workers need to start demanding that their employers respect the concept of vacation. Taking vacation is not a sign of weakness. It is a sign of sanity and common sense.

    4. Re:Of Course by QuietLagoon · · Score: 5, Informative

      US workers are absolutely terrified of taking time off lest it gets used against them in a review ...

      My manager told me that I could not use my vacation time so long as there was work to do on the project I was assigned to. It was a three year project;. HR was useless, telling me that I could take the vacation but refusing to tell my manger the same thing. I waited until a lull in the project (another department was the critical path for a while), gave a month's notice, and took a week vacation. A year later, I was included in the layoffs.

    5. Re:Of Course by garcia · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I work for a company that offers unlimited vacation. I use it, extensively and, as a leader, I encourage my entire team to use it extensively as well. Last year I took more than 8 weeks of vacation and I'm already expecting 7 this year.

      From the article:

      Others (47%) say they stay put because they believe no one else can do their job, or because they want to impress their bosses with their dedication (36%).

      You know what impresses me? People who are refreshed and excited at work, not those who are so self-righteous to believe no one else can do their job (that's total and unadulterated bullshit) or who think I'd be impressed by slogging through half-awake at work.

    6. Re:Of Course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nah, it is probably because paid time off is a liability on the financial books.

    7. Re:Of Course by Octorian · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And no, I don't agree with companies having a policy of letting you cash out on unused vacation. That's just an excuse to keep you at your job.

      I once worked somewhere that went a step further than this... In addition to letting you cash out anything over X hours of accrued vacation time (or roll it over, if you really wanted), they included all the normal "company holidays" in the flexible vacation time balance. So while you did technically get X company holidays a year, plus a reasonable allotment of actual vacation time, it all came out of the same pot. That meant that you actually had to use your vacation time to take those holidays off.

      In theory, this was great. You got more vacation time, and could use it however you saw fit to do so. No need to be limited by specific pre-scheduled holidays.
      In reality, this was extremely annoying. It basically meant that you were discouraged from ever taking any of those normal holidays off, so you didn't ever get a long weekend break. (this all was extra annoying as a junior person who didn't accrue vacation at as high a rate as everyone else, and who didn't have a family to take actual scheduled vacations with.)

    8. Re:Of Course by mu51c10rd · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is common in companies whose paid time off is a liability on the accounting books. Not everyone knows there are different ways of accounting for paid time off. Beware of companies that gives you all your annual time off up front or in large increments periodically. Those are typically not considered a liability and are not paid off if you leave or are terminated. A place that gives you accruals, means they are accounting for the time and will want their employees using it, not having it balloon on the balance sheet. Basically, any time that PTO is accrued, it is a liability to the company and there is a builtin incentive for management to encourage employees to take time off. That is a good thing.

    9. Re:Of Course by garcia · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sure, here's one from last summer: https://hbr.org/2016/07/the-da...

      It has plenty of links to other studies and important data points like this particular one which counters the premise of most of the comments I've seen thus far:

      If you take 11 or more of your vacation days, you are more than 30% more likely to receive a raise. After reading that stat, we hope you just started planning your next vacation.

    10. Re:Of Course by radish · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Americans have chosen high government spending over time off. Maybe not consciously, but as a consequence of their aggregate voting patterns.

      They mention France in the summary. Employees there are guaranteed a minimum of 36 days off per year (including public holidays). They have basically free university education, free healthcare, and many other perks. There's no way you can persuade me they have "low government spending" - and their tax rates are suitably high to pay for all that.

      Tell me again how "high government spending" means you can't take time off?

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    11. Re:Of Course by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 3, Informative

      This doesn't make any sense - unless I'm completely missing your point. US government spending is lower than most countries with more 'socialist' labour laws. Including France, Germany, UK and most of Scandinavia. https://data.oecd.org/gga/gene...

      The worldwide average salary is dragged way down by countries with much worse labour rights than the US (e.g. none), not by those with better labour rights.

    12. Re:Of Course by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In most EU countries the employer will be in trouble if they fail to let you take all your holiday. In fact they need to push you to use it all up, because if there is any significant amount (>1 day) left over it can open them up to legal problems.

      And of course, EU citizens have a much higher minimum - in the UK it's 28 days, of which your employer can require you to take 8 on public holiday days like New Year's Day, but that still gives you 4 weeks a year. Currently if you do regular overtime that increases your holiday entitlement too.

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    13. Re:Of Course by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I completely agree that people need to use their vacation, however for some people they would rather have the money.

      From a corporate responsibility perspective, it is stupid to not force people to take two week contiguous vacations every year, fully disconnected from work. You basically need it for detecting fraud and lack of process redundancy. The challenge is how a company handles the vacancy-- OT on other people, temps, or something else... all of which are ineffective.

    14. Re:Of Course by joelgrimes · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Accrued PTO is a liability in the same sense that an unpaid bill is a liability. Eventually it will have to be paid (depending on the local laws). Also, if you think about it, it's a liability that the carries interest. When an employee gets a raise, all of their accrued vacation time gets a raise as well.

    15. Re:Of Course by gymell · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm a contractor, and last year I found a company that looked like a great opportunity to work with some technologies I'm really interested in. They mentioned their great benefits, including an 'unlimited' time off policy. So I asked one of my interviewers (a dev ops guy) about that - how many hours did he work a week, and how much vacation did he take. It turned out he hadn't taken any time off in the previous 6 months, and was working a lot of overtime. Meantime, the CTO had taken 6 weeks off to go on some big bike tour across the country. So I called him on it. Like, you're telling me about this unlimited vacation policy, meanwhile you have someone who took no days off in 6 months. Oh, but that was his choice to do that. Give me a break. Needless to say, I didn't get an offer, as they felt I wasn't ready to make the move from being a contractor to an FTE. And they are right, if that scam of a vacation policy is what being an FTE means. Being a contractor, I don't have anyone else defining how much time I can take off.

    16. Re:Of Course by mattwarden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You don't want a company treating you as the adversary, and no company wants employees who treat the company as the adversary. Take be macho emotion bullshit out and determine what outcome you want. Do what is most likely to get you that outcome. Creating a finger-on-the-button scenario and betting on who will blink first will have an unpredictable outcome and is completely, 100% unnecessary.

  2. Cashing in Time off hours by Danathar · · Score: 4, Informative

    A lot of other people (and myself) have combined leave (sick and vacation) hours. I don't use all my leave because you never know when you might be sick, and if you get laid off it's nice to have some extra money that you get by cashing in your excess PTO hours.

    1. Re:Cashing in Time off hours by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And then there are those of us who don't get sick much and end up losing our "sick" days. At least PTO gives you a choice.

      In my experience combined PTO that includes sick days means people who are sick come into the office and get other people sick rather than lose vacation days.

      This hurts the company (and the employees who get sick more often as a result).

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    2. Re:Cashing in Time off hours by LunaticTippy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I probably laughed for 15min straight when I heard he injured himself

      You might be a bad person. I hope the people in your life have more compassion for you when something bad happens to you, whether or not you deserve it.

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  3. Re:Europe vs. US by kilfarsnar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the US, we reward hard work with promotions and higher salaries. In Europe, they just tax the wealthy while the six hour work days and bans on checking email outside of work decrease productivity. It's hard work versus socialism taxing successful people. One of these leads to a strong economy, the other to massive debt. There's no incentive to be successful in Europe, anyway, because the government will just take your money away with taxes to pay for ridiculous social programs that would be unnecessary if people just had jobs and worked 40 hour weeks.

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  4. Re:Misunderstood by geekmux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just because you "have" vacation on paper doesn't mean you can actually take vacation.

    No. It means you should take vacation, which is a concept that fewer and fewer Americans can grasp or understand.

    Some time away from the thing in your life that creates some of the worst stress and physical abuse would probably benefit an individual greatly. It would benefit an entire society greatly if that mentality were to become infectious, and help reset US workplace expectations and respect for what the hard working employees do provide when they are there.

    Even if you could not actually afford to "go away" on vacation, just relaxing for a few days can have a considerable benefit.

  5. Gaslighting by zifn4b · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's because in America Gaslighting is the status quo especially in corporate America. It takes this form: "You are weak and should fear job loss if you don't work 80 hours a week." Basically, the labor shortage that was brought on by the Great Recession which was brought on by the Foreclosure crisis scared people to death. Corporate America wasted no time using this as an opportunity to terrorize the work force into being "more productive" with complete disregard for employee health. Also, this isn't really news. The good news is we are about to hit a boom cycle hopefully. Boom/bust economics folks.

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  6. Americans define themselves by their work. by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    (This is a generalization, I don't want to see hundreds of posts stating that they are the exception)
    In general Americans will define themselves on what they do. When meeting a new person, one of the first questions asked is what do they do for a living. We use the answer of this question to help define and place themselves in society. Before you realize how unfair this is, other cultures, will make the same judgments based on family, religion, race, political standing, their dress, their car...
    Being that what we do for work is a key part of our identity, we prefer to spend a good portion in enforcing and strengthening it. While the numbers show the opposite, taking time off, we get the perception that we will be considered lazy, not a team player, and not productive if we take too much vacation. So we usually keep these vacation days, not as vacation but as emergency time off days.
    Also we subconsciously control our work environment so we necessary as an individual to the institution, and poorly sharing your information with other workers. So if you take time off, you get back with a weeks worth of work that you will need to do, being an other intensive to not take time off.
     

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  7. I wonder how much is from the PTO "benefit" by enjar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For those unfamiliar with the employer "benefit" of "Paid Time Off", it's a system where your "sick time" and "vacation time" are pushed together. So you get to make choices like "should I stay home with this fever/cold/bronchitis/stomach flu/kidney stone OR do I get to see my family at the holidays this year?" and "I already paid for that cruise, I'll just bring in four boxes of kleenex and power through". I get that PTO is an accountant's wet dream, combining all those liabilities into one column on the balance sheet. In reality, it becomes a fantastic way for everyone to bring their germs into the office and spread their sickness and being ineffective at work when they should be at home getting better, so they can see their family at the holidays. My employer says "if you are sick, stay home", and there's no number of "counted" sick time. Some years I've not taken a sick day, other years I've been out two weeks. It's not like kidney stones or bronchitis were the same as sipping a drink out of a coconut on a tropical beach, or that I planned it.

    1. Re:I wonder how much is from the PTO "benefit" by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Informative

      Fortunately that's not the case (yet) around here. And the very LAST thing I need is a sick person coming to office and infecting the rest of the people here. I made it clear that if you're sick, you stay home and you better not even try to put a foot into the office before it's certain that you won't make the rest stay home for the next week.

      I can do with one person being sick. I can't handle 5 people staying home because someone thought that the world stops revolving if he doesn't "push through". If you're sick, stay the hell away from me and anyone else in the office! If you feel like going to an office, try that of a competitor! ;)

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  8. Re:Europe vs. US by boulat · · Score: 3, Funny

    Those poor, abused millionaires!

    After all that heavy taxing at the end of the day all they have left is their millions.

    Would someone please think of the millionaires?

  9. Re:Europe vs. US by fabriciom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Funny because US debt is about 20 trillion and EU 12 trillion. I guess all that vacation saving and hard work is not paying off.

  10. Our government found a simple solution by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Time you don't take off before you quit has to be paid out. Now, to make sure that your company CAN actually pay the time they "owe" you if you quit today and they go bankrupt the same day, your company has to stash money in government bonds to the tune of what they'd have to pay their workers if all of them went out the door today.

    Calculate about, say, 25 vacation days per worker, for a workforce of, say 10,000. Let's be conservative and say that a day/person is about 100 bucks.

    Can you see how companies can have a HUGE interest in their workers actually going on vacation, and doing it as early as possible?

    I MUST spend my vacation every year. They now even made it a bonus-valued goal, not to spend my vacation days and letting them roll over threatens my annual bonus. And since March I get weekly reminders from HR that I still have 10 unplanned days and that beautiful days are coming up, and whether I don't feel like taking some of the upcoming Fridays (with Thu being a holiday) off to enjoy a 4 days weekend.

    I kid you not.

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  11. Re:Europe vs. US by kilfarsnar · · Score: 5, Informative

    Either this post is ironic, or you are so deep in the tank you don't even know there's a tank.

    Not that you could be troubled to even hint at why he's incorrect, and instead lazily attack the messenger.

    No, I indeed could not be troubled. I gain no benefit from futile attempts to disabuse strangers on the Internet of their ignorant beliefs. But, since you bothered to respond, I'll count them down.

    In the US, we reward hard work with promotions and higher salaries.

    This is patently ridiculous. I hope I don't have to demonstrate the myriad examples of hard-working people not being promoted or getting higher salaries. Look at the people who clean your office, or pick your lettuce for examples.

    In Europe, they just tax the wealthy while the six hour work days and bans on checking email outside of work decrease productivity.

    Obviously Europe does more than tax the wealthy, and people work more than 6 hours a day (Yes, Sweden experimented with a 6 hour work day). Slightly reducing productivity (if a ban on after-work email even resulted in that) is not really a huge deal.

    It's hard work versus socialism taxing successful people. One of these leads to a strong economy, the other to massive debt.

    This is quite simplistic, I hope you would agree. Europe has a strong economy and the US has massive debt. I'm not saying Europe is better, or has no debt, or that the US is not hard working or does not have a strong economy. I'm just saying the OP has a very simplistic view of a complex interplay between business, labor, the social contract and the role of the state.

    There's no incentive to be successful in Europe, anyway, because the government will just take your money away with taxes to pay for ridiculous social programs that would be unnecessary if people just had jobs and worked 40 hour weeks.

    Again, this is ridiculous. There are many wealthy Europeans. This idea that taxation keeps people from being productive and building businesses, that they will just sit on their hands because taxes are just too damn high, is not borne out by evidence. The poster also ignores the fact that Capitalism has manifestly failed to provide for the majority of the population. Many people work 40 hours a week and still need social assistance. So the assertion that employing people at 40 hours will eliminate the need for social programs is just plain flat wrong.

    As I said, the post is either sarcastic, or just stupid. I hope it is now more clear as to why.

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  12. What can I Say? by jf_moreira · · Score: 4

    In some other country, our unions fought hard for us to have proper holidays. Now I take 2 (two) 15-days off, paid, during the year. We also have a 33% bonus added for spending during vacation. I take 15-day at every 6-month and come renewed for working even harder. Would never accept to work as a horse in US receiving carrots for that. My off-life is more important than work, always.