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Apple Piles On the Features, and Users Say, 'Enough!' (nytimes.com)

In a few hours, Apple will kickstart its annual developer conference. At the event, the company is expected to announce new MacBook laptops, the next major updates for iOS and MacOS, new features of Siri, and a home-speaker. Ahead of the conference, The New York Times has run a story that talks some of the headline announcements that Apple announced last year: one of which was, the ability to order food, scribble doodles and send funny images known as stickers in chats on its Messages app. Speaking with users, engineers and industry insiders, the Times reports that many of its existing features -- including expansion of Messages -- are too complicated for many users to figure out (Editor's note: the link could be paywalled; alternative source). From the report: The idea was to make Messages, one of the most popular apps on the iPhone, into an all-purpose tool like China's WeChat. But the process of finding and installing other apps in Messages is so tricky that most users have no idea they can even do it, developers and analysts say.

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  1. What happened to "it just works"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seems a case of "it just bloats" from now on.

    1. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by TWX · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apple has a history of going off-the-rails when Jobs wasn't involved. Say what you want about him as a person, he was pretty good at figuring out what people wanted and giving it to them just in time for them to figure it out themselves. He also worked with something of a minimalist approach, at times to a fault, but with a great degree of success. Without that restraint this could become a problem.

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    2. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. To me, Apple started failing when it takes a noticeable mount of time to unlock the screen sometimes. Whatever is going on... load on demand or what have you, the user experience is failing. That's a major issue.

    3. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most of these "features" are just advertising in disguise. If you tell Siri to order you a pizza, it will go and order for a nearby top ranked pizza shop. So now we have gone from companies wanting to be on the first page of search results and paying for ad spots at the top, to only the very top result mattering at all.

      It's the same with Alexa. If you ask it to order bog roll, it will order the most popular one stocked by Amazon. Not the cheapest, not the 5 ply silk stuff, just whatever Amazon decides to send you. If you want to sell toilet paper to Alexa users, you need to kiss Amazon's arse.

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    4. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by jimbolauski · · Score: 5, Funny

      Apple knows what you want, you just don't know it yet. Now go enjoy your ultra slim laptop with short battery life, limited memory, and a drawer full of dongles.

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    5. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup. It's javascript interpreters all the way down these days.

    6. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by toonces33 · · Score: 1

      Well, you leave yourself wide open if you make such an open-ended request. But you would think that they could fix it so it would look at what you ordered in the past instead of whatever vendor gives the largest kickback to Amazon.

    7. Re: What happened to "it just works"? by PoopJuggler · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Everything since the Apple IIe is just bloat. The question is which bloat is useful and which is not.

    8. Re: What happened to "it just works"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What should the default be if not the most popular? The cheapest with 0 reviews, shipped from China? The most expensive? Your lame as favorite?

      There's a lot in life worth bitching about, but that ain't it.

    9. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Voice assistants are useless for browsing and comparing though. All they can do is read out some data on each item in turn. Can't even show you a photo of the item.

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    10. Re: What happened to "it just works"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Random, possibly with the options weighted by market share.

    11. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      That's not how Amazon works for me.

      I only have the wand, but when I scan something or say something, it goes into a my cart, with a link to refine the result.

      The initial suggestion is first based on my history, then on popularity from what I can tell, with a heavy preference for available on Fresh.

      At no point does it just order the most popular thing.

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    12. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by nomadic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Apple has a history of going off-the-rails when Jobs wasn't involved"

      Apple has gone off-the-rails when Jobs WAS involved, too. See, e.g., iTunes.

    13. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by TWX · · Score: 1

      I never said he was perfect in his approach. On the other hand for a lot of Apple's products he forced developers to take a minimalist approach whose end-result was extremely easy for the end-user to use most of the time, and whose aesthetics were generally good, and at least during the era when OSX was their main focus he threw a bone to users that wanted to have more powerful tools like the commandline available to them. That balancing act is very hard to maintain, and I do not hold high hopes that any future Apple leader will manage that balance as well as Jobs did.

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    14. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by spoot · · Score: 2

      "Apple has a history of going off-the-rails when Jobs wasn't involved"

      Apple has gone off-the-rails when Jobs WAS involved, too. See, e.g., iTunes.

      iTunes was just fine when it was a music app (see: Sound Jam), all the trouble came when it ended up becoming the 'windows explorer' of the Apple ecosystem. It's the rotting whale carcass of Apple bloated apps.

    15. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      But very few Alexa owners actually use it for shopping. Only 10% use it to order things.

      I have never used mine to order anything. I buy toilet paper in bulk at Costco, not online, and the things I do buy from Amazon are rarely consumables.

      So what do I use it for? First thing every morning while I am making tea: "Alexa, news report". While I am making dinner: "Alexa, set a timer for 5 minutes" and "Alexa, play a Willie Nelson song". I also use it to connect to my IoT hub: "Alexa, turn off the sink light" and "Alexa, lock the front door".

    16. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems a case of "it just bloats" from now on.

      You mean "it just sinks".

    17. Re: What happened to "it just works"? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      What should the default be if not the most popular?

      The default should be the brand you ordered last time ... which is the default. Amazon's first step is to search your order history.

      Also, instead of "Alexa, order toilet paper", you can say "Alexa, add toilet paper to my shopping cart", and later review the items on your laptop before committing.

    18. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

      If you've ordered something previously, Amazon's Alexa will offer up that item, or a list of matching previously ordered items.

    19. Re: What happened to "it just works"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice way to admit that you've become a slave to your devices. You may think they are making your life easier, keep it up Bill. You know better.

    20. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      What do you mean with simply saying iTunes?
      iTunes the Application? I like it, I just don't like that they removed coverflow and that it is used for backing up iPads and iPhones.
      iTunes the Store? What is wrong with the store?

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    21. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by kruhft · · Score: 1

      Try turning on dictation on a mac, and in Safari, try saying 'Show numbers' and then tell me you can't browse with a voice assistant.

    22. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Apple has a history of going off-the-rails when Jobs wasn't involved. Say what you want about him as a person, he was pretty good at figuring out what people wanted and giving it to them just in time for them to figure it out themselves. He also worked with something of a minimalist approach, at times to a fault, but with a great degree of success. Without that restraint this could become a problem.

      You mean in the great sample-size of ONE period-of-time that Jobs wasn't in charge?

      Yeah, some "history".

    23. Re: What happened to "it just works"? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Random, possibly with the options weighted by market share.

      Oh, great!

      So when I say to Alexa, "Order me a laptop", I'm guaranteed to get the shittiest Windows laptop (and ONLY a Windows laptop) there is, right?

      Afterall, Windows has be highest Marketshare, right?

    24. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Apple knows what you want, you just don't know it yet. Now go enjoy your ultra slim laptop with short battery life, limited memory, and a drawer full of dongles.

      As opposed to Dell's/HP's/Acer's/You-Name-It's latest ultra slim laptop, with even shorter battery life, the same limited memory, and a side-panel full of yesterday's ports, right?

    25. Re: What happened to "it just works"? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Everything since the Apple IIe is just bloat. The question is which bloat is useful and which is not.

      Hah! The //e is Bloat!

      Everything since the Apple ][ (non-Plus, non-"e") is just bloat.

      Afterall, 48 k should be enough for anybody, amirite?

    26. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by Waveevaw · · Score: 1

      Apple has gone off-the-rails when Jobs WAS involved, too. See, e.g., iTunes.

      Or Ping. There are other examples too which I can't be bothered to think of. Having said that, the new messages features as mentioned in TFA were pretty darn gimmicky. Playing more to the nerd crowd than the masses.

    27. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by kuzb · · Score: 1

      Only really a problem if you continue to drink Apple's koolaid. Many of us figured out long ago that Macs simply do not fit very well if you want a cost effective, practical solution for a variety of tasks. The proponents of Apple want you to believe that the company can't do any wrong. The people who think objectively about the company and its products know they can, and have.

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    28. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by kuzb · · Score: 1

      Nothing says "I made the right decision!" Like a mouthful of Apple's courage!

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    29. Re: What happened to "it just works"? by kuzb · · Score: 1

      This is exactly why I hate the word "bloat". It means something different to every person who uses it. To many oldschool unix gurus any kind of GUI is bloat. To most people here, "bloat" just means "something I don't like and would remove". Rarely does it ever mean "unnecessary software that makes things slower". "Bloat" is little more than a geek buzzword to me now as a result.

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    30. Re: What happened to "it just works"? by negRo_slim · · Score: 1

      Yesterdays ports LOL Oh no! All that functionality! Put down the Flavor Aid bud.

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    31. Re: What happened to "it just works"? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Your math confuses me.

      I offer no other opinion, just that.

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    32. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's funny: while the rest of the computer industry was busy piling on every random crap feature and blinkenlight they could find, Apple's point of difference used to be reliability, usability and simplicity. Apple computers were rock solid, their interface was predictable and discoverable (hell, they practically invented predictability and discoverability with the classic, se etc) and the features all had a reason for existing.

      Now Apple has joined the featuritis cult and reliability has gone down the tubes (though price is still high) I'm struggling to see their point of distinction apart from their users' cult-like devotion. If MS hadn't jumped the shark quite so comprehensively they could wipe Apple off the map without even trying.

    33. Re: What happened to "it just works"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Without any other information, e.g. purchase history or existing devices, why would you expect to get a Windows laptop with a likelihood that differs from the market share?

    34. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

      It doesn't call you "Moles" by chance, does it? :)

      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt00...

    35. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

      To be fair, while there may be a huge amount of criticism over Apple's successive generations of laptops, battery life is not one of them.

      Non-upgradable memory, storage, an annoying keyboard, and forcing you to buy a shitton of dongles due to a complete lack of every single most important port still in use today, on the other hand...

    36. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by nomadic · · Score: 1

      The application. It became a ridiculously bloated, absurdly non-intuitive piece of junk years ago, back when Jobs was running Apple.

    37. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by Zaelath · · Score: 1

      This is Jobs reality distortion field at work. It was never more obvious how to do everything on a Mac or iOS than competitor products, it was maybe a little easier to do the stupid user stuff after a "genius" had configured it for you, but it was f**king awful to be the local "IT Guru" that had to fix everyone's Apple shit.

      Most people do what, make calls, texts, use the app store, and browse the web? Yeah, everything "just works" for that.

    38. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      While they were some exceptions. Apple normally only added features once they get it right. Linux desktop systems are packed full of features however they are normally fully cooked, while fun to play with but often takes practice to figure out and be useful. Apple had usually made they new feature natural to use.

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    39. Re: What happened to "it just works"? by fubarrr · · Score: 1

      Do they do delivery in Shanghai?

    40. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      To be fair, while there may be a huge amount of criticism over Apple's successive generations of laptops, battery life is not one of them.

      Non-upgradable memory, storage, an annoying keyboard, and forcing you to buy a shitton of dongles due to a complete lack of every single most important port still in use today, on the other hand...

      Battery life is very much a complaint. Maybe not out of the box but before too long that non removable battery is going to hold a fraction of the charge it used to and you're going have to pay up or just flat out get a new one to fix it. Frankly the only things apple really have going for them is they're pretty.

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    41. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL if you have siri order you a pizza it will end up coming from a pizza joint in a different city if not a different state.

    42. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

      Oh yes, of course. But that isn't an Apple exclusive problem. Every device with a permanent internal battery suffers the same problem, and almost all products by virtually all manufacturers are doing this.

      This is the kind of thing that you need regulations for. But that would be anti-capitalist, so us average consumers can just go fuck ourselves.

    43. Re: What happened to "it just works"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never mind him, he is just a hater.

    44. Re: What happened to "it just works"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tim Cook

    45. Re: What happened to "it just works"? by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      Why the fuck are you on a tech site?

    46. Re: What happened to "it just works"? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      The postulate was "Everytime Jobs isn't in charge at Apple, Apple goes to shot."

      I can only think of one period of time that Jobs wasn't in charge at Apple.

      Am I forgetting something?

    47. Re: What happened to "it just works"? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Yes.

      Or I am.

      Jobs left. They brought him back. That is one.

      Jobs died. He is still dead. That is two.

      So, there's at least two. I am not sure if we want to refine it further, but two is more than one. Hell, it's twice as many.

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    48. Re: What happened to "it just works"? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Yes.

      Or I am.

      Jobs left. They brought him back. That is one.

      Jobs died. He is still dead. That is two.

      So, there's at least two. I am not sure if we want to refine it further, but two is more than one. Hell, it's twice as many.

      I guess you're technically correct.

      But Apple us doing JUST fine this time; so...?

    49. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      The secret is: It never actually worked. They just gave themselves that framing to make everybody having trouble on Macs feel like idiots and keep quiet.

      In truth Mac's have always plagued by: IT JUST DOESN'T WORK!

    50. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      side-panel full of yesterday's ports, right?

      I'd rather have yesterday's ports that actually work with hardware than spend $WTF on a set of headphones with the primary feature being extra DRM baked into the cake because "courage."

    51. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      iTunes the Application? I like it, I just don't like that they removed coverflow and that it is used for backing up iPads and iPhones.

      iTunes the Store? What is wrong with the store?

      Fucktifiknwo. All I know is that when "iTunes" tried to install on my daughter's computer when she was given an iPod, she couldn't feed it with a credit card number and tried to back out of the installation (she was several years under the age at which she could have a credit card), so it trashed her hard drive. When I got bck to the country, it took me 3 evenings to recover the data from her machine, re-image the laptop back to the factory discs and restore the data.

      I've never touched iTunes (either sense) since. And I feel no need to either. What little music I want, I have already on my hard drive. Some months I listen to one or two tracks. Very occasionally, three tracks.

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    52. Re: What happened to "it just works"? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      So read my post. I explicitly stated I offered no other opinion than that.

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    53. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      But it is obvious to you that it is extremely unlikely that iTunes trashed your hard drive, or not?
      You don't need a credit card to use iTunes. Credit card data is stored on the server anyway and only used if actually buy something.
      Half of my music is ripped from my own CDs, and I use iTunes as player. Never had any problem with iTunes.

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    54. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      I was about 3000 miles way and rely on reports from the daughter whose computer wouldn't boot.

      No, it's not obvious to me. I still don't understand why and MP3 player needs a special program to move files onto and off the device, and requires you to provide some sort of credit card info in order to replay or move your own files.

      Personally, I've never had any problems with iTunes either. But then again, I've never actually seen it. I was given a - oh, some sort of Mac tablet, I forget what it was, call it an iThing - a couple of years ago. I gavve that, in it''s box, to the wife for her to use. It's now locked solid and displays some message about iTunes. I don't know what happened there, but the manual I printed out for her (I was at work when I was given the iThing, so had a printer) did mention credit cards on several occasions. It's not worth the effort of trying to figure out what happened.

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    55. Re:What happened to "it just works"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think your daughter overlooked the "skip" button. No credit card is needed to use iTunes, period.

  2. Apple's money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    In a few hours, Apple will kickstart its annual developer conference.

    I find this really surprising. I was sure Apple had plenty of capital.

    1. Re:Apple's money by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 2

      In a few hours, Apple will kickstart its annual developer conference.

      I find this really surprising. I was sure Apple had plenty of capital.

      Yeah, but it's in Ireland.

    2. Re:Apple's money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just assumed he was trying (badly) to be funny.

    3. Re:Apple's money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not in Ireland, Ireland "just" helped launder it on it's way to the Cayman Islands.

    4. Re:Apple's money by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      So, you're saying Apple users and bikers have a lot in common, between the leather, handlebars, and kickstarting?

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    5. Re: Apple's money by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      *Whoosh*

  3. When what most want. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Is a fucking Mac Pro that is not a fucking trash can.
    That you can buy a new updated fucking motherboard for and not a waste a whole god damn machine.

    1. Re: When what most want. by PoopJuggler · · Score: 2

      By "most" you mean you. If that's really what the bulk of their customer base wanted they wouldn't sell oodles of them like they do.

    2. Re: When what most want. by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      They don't sell oodles of trash cans. The trash can does not address the needs of the market it is intended to serve.

      In practical terms, since it is a low-volume product, allowing it to be upgraded more easily by the end user might be economically viable.

    3. Re: When what most want. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      they wouldn't sell oodles of them like they do.

      They don't sell oodles of them. They sell very few. That is why they haven't done an update in more than three years: It just doesn't sell well enough to bother. Rumors are that the new Mac Pro will be expandable and upgradable, and will be a box not a cylinder, so Apple may have learned a lesson. But it is unlikely they will announce a new Mac Pro today.

    4. Re:When what most want. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What people want is to NOT have features (and connectors) that they like and use taken away and have to use a bunch of expensive adapters. And NOT have useless stuff added! What they want is to be able to upgrade the hard drive/SSD etc... They don't want a throw-away device that cannot be upgraded. They don't want to pay quadruple the price just for the Apple logo on a low quality, cheaply made piece of trash!!

    5. Re:When what most want. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least with the Mac Pro the trash already came in a can.

    6. Re:When what most want. by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Is a fucking Mac Pro that is not a fucking trash can.
      That you can buy a new updated fucking motherboard for and not a waste a whole god damn machine.

      Name even ONE Mac which has (or had) an upgradeable Motherboard.

      They DID experiment (briefly!) with Upgradeable Processor Modules; but never a whole mobo.

      So, if you want that whole "I enjoy working ON my computer, instead of WITH my computer" bit, but still pine for all that GUI-goodness that is macOS, then by all means, build a Hackintosh. Plenty of fun for all...

    7. Re:When what most want. by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      When what most want Is a fucking Mac Pro that is not a fucking trash can.

      Well, good news. Now, there's a Mac Pro that's an iMac.

      *sigh*

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    8. Re: When what most want. by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      They don't sell oodles of trash cans. The trash can does not address the needs of the market it is intended to serve.

      In practical terms, since it is a low-volume product, allowing it to be upgraded more easily by the end user might be economically viable.

      It's a "low-volume-product" in Apple-terms. But they still probably sell more of them than all of the laptops on this list, combined.

    9. Re: When what most want. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BULLSHIT

      You can tell an apple apologist is lying the minute they use vague terms. "probably". Its all part of apple hive mind that will now start regurgitating this as fact.

      If you have not got facts the STFU

    10. Re: When what most want. by Hamsterdan · · Score: 1

      Give me an "enthusiast" Mac Pro machine (not Xeons but standard i7, mini-tower and just call it Mac), but leave PCI-E slots and upgradeable RAM (non-ECC), and I'd buy one. Meanwhile, I'll keep Hackintoshing old DELLs.

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  4. Sadly This is a rerun by Lumpy · · Score: 0

    The first time Job left apple lost their way.

    Problem is we dont have him anymore to bring the company back around.

    Carplay needs to be fixed, Apple Maps is a shitshow compared to everything else right now, 3 years ago it was decent, but now it's broken as hell. They need to allow Google,Garmin,Waze, etc to be on carplay. They need to LET ANY app be on carplay as long as they meet the requirements.

    The hardware is sound, but the rush for features is getting a mess. Siri is not useable anymore because HomeKit is too closed. So now I use Alexia because she at least will control my whole house. (No HomeKit compatablity with any real home automation like AMX/Crestron but Alexia works!)

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    1. Re:Sadly This is a rerun by hey! · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Jobs uniquely understood how important choosing things not to do was. Engineers and designers do brilliant work every day, but the vast majority of that achievement gets lost in the clutter and quickly forgotten.

      Better to leave consumers wanting more than to leave them confused. Best of all, you can sell them that something more next year. That way you don't have to hit it out of the park every single time. It's more like loading the bases and then getting to first, time and time again.

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    2. Re:Sadly This is a rerun by Theaetetus · · Score: 1

      The hardware is sound...

      The hardware is out of date. And I say this as a lifelong Mac user, working on a MBP right now. I want a Mac Pro with an i9 and a GTX 1080.

    3. Re: Sadly This is a rerun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How else will they make m/billions of dollars off your back?

      Including drm in headphones, 30% tax on everything else...

    4. Re:Sadly This is a rerun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what isn't new isn't sound? Take a derivative lately ? Smoke a Camel straight ?? This ain't womens shoes ya know ... jeeez mebby ya don't know !

    5. Re:Sadly This is a rerun by nine-times · · Score: 1

      One of the things that frustrates me about technology companies is the general focus on adding new features, while at the same time failing to make sure their existing features work. There are so many things in computing that are simply much more difficult and unreliable than they need to be. My fallback example is printer drivers. Why are printer drivers even necessary? I can understand 3D printers still needing custom drivers, or those big industrial copiers needing specialized drivers to deal with some custom publishing feature, but why on earth does a simple B&W laser printer need special hardware instructions just to print a Word document? And considering how simple the hardware ultimately is, why am I still dealing with buggy printer drivers from major manufacturers?

      I know talking about printer drivers is a bit of a tangent, but it's just an example. My point is, these tech companies keep building virtual assistants that are nearly useless, or yet another snapchat clone, but they won't fix problems like printer drivers. And why would we even trust a company to build IoT devices, having computers listen to everything we say and integrating computers into almost every object in our homes, when they can't even make a reliable universal printer driver?

      Apple's not the worst offender of this kind of thing, by any means, but they at least used to be among the best at making simple things that worked without frustration, and I do think that they're slipping a bit. You're complaining about Siri, but honestly, I wouldn't complain if they ditched Siri completely, and focused instead on dealing with the real problems that users and IT people face with computers. The problems I have aren't things like, "I wish I could talk to my toaster and have it tell me the weather," but more like, "Managing a fleet of thousands of computers is still more difficult than it needs to be" and "VPN still sucks" and "managing passwords and 2FA tokens is really annoying". I could talk for hours about the problems and annyances with computing, and so far, none of them have been fixed by Alexa or Siri.

    6. Re:Sadly This is a rerun by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      There are so many things in computing that are simply much more difficult and unreliable than they need to be.

      There are so many things in computing that are simply much more difficult and unreliable than they used to be.

      My fallback example is printer drivers.

      Funny, so is mine!

      I can understand 3D printers still needing custom drivers

      Interestingly, most of them don't. You just drop the STL file on an SD card or upload it to a web interface hosted on the printer itself, no drivers needed.

      I'm 100% absolutely with you, here. When I look at where computing is today, I hang my head in sadness. Yes, machines have gotten faster, but it now takes longer to get anything done. This is not progress.

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    7. Re:Sadly This is a rerun by nine-times · · Score: 1

      You just drop the STL file on an SD card or upload it to a web interface hosted on the printer itself, no drivers needed.

      You'd agree that's not really a good solution, though, right? Like, you have a networked printer on your company's network, but you can't simply print to it without weird crappy drivers that don't work. Instead you copy it to an SD card, walk it over to the printer, plug it in, and then try to print it? Or you log into a web interface and upload things? That's not easier.

      Either way, again, that's just an example. I work in IT support and I'm constantly working around and fixing problems that don't really need to exist. And for my personal use, too, it seems that companies are constantly moving in the wrong direction. Facebook's apps keep getting worse. I find Apple's music app harder to navigate than ever. Hulu's new iOS app is awful.

    8. Re:Sadly This is a rerun by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Indeed, I did say I'm with you on this...

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    9. Re:Sadly This is a rerun by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      my 3d printers all are wifi networked and they use the same gcode file. No 3d printer made uses a STL file directly. Hell I can even watch the print from it's built in webcam from any computer made that has a web browser.

      Sadly 3d printers are far more compatible than any inkjet because the people making them are extremely talented engineers and printer engineers are mostly idiots that think secret proprietary control codes are important.

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    10. Re:Sadly This is a rerun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What steaming dipshits modded this down? Lumpy is completely right.

    11. Re:Sadly This is a rerun by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      I can understand 3D printers still needing custom drivers, or those big industrial copiers needing specialized drivers to deal with some custom publishing feature, but why on earth does a simple B&W laser printer need special hardware instructions just to print a Word document?

      The irony is that to some degree, the opposite is true. If you ignore the custom PPDs (which are just text files) to enable full feature support, you can send a plain-old-ordinary PostScript file to the most expensive Fiery setup, and it will basically "just work". My wide-format color laser has a PPD, with no custom drivers. The color copiers that offer multifunction printing generally require no drivers. And so on. It's the $100 PCL-based printers (and worse) that require custom drivers, mostly because they print via USB instead of over a network, which means there's no established standard for uploading the page data (*).

      (*) Technically, there is a USB printer class, but AFAIK, it lacks the descriptive capabilities needed for declaring what language the printer speaks over the bulk endpoint, making it completely hopeless as a plug-and-play standard. By contrast, network printers almost invariably support PostScript-over-LPD, and occasionally support AirPrint. Both have distinct ports, so there's no difficulty figuring out which protocol a device supports. This just leaves PPD detection and downloading, which is trivial, and which is not required at all for basic printing features to work.

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    12. Re:Sadly This is a rerun by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      The hardware is sound...

      The hardware is out of date. And I say this as a lifelong Mac user, working on a MBP right now. I want a Mac Pro with an i9 and a GTX 1080.

      So you want a CAD Workstation CPU with (last-year's) GAMING Graphics Card?

      Hahahahahahaha!!!!!

      Name more than a small handful (if any) of Games that would benefit from an i9's EIGHTEEN Cores (36 threads).

      Name one CAD/Video Editing Application that would benefit from the GTX 1080s limited Display-handling abilities (a paltry FOUR 4k monitors). From a Workstation. In 2017. Right.

      Your proposed system is not only mismatched for most MacPro Applications, but it also doesn't sound like much of an "upgrade" to me.

    13. Re: Sadly This is a rerun by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      How else will they make m/billions of dollars off your back?

      Including drm in headphones, 30% tax on everything else...

      Why do you just LIE through your teeth?

      What FUCKING DRM in headphones?

      WHAT FUCKING "30% Tax" on "Everything Else"?

      Die, Hater.

    14. Re:Sadly This is a rerun by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      "why on earth does a simple B&W laser printer need special hardware instructions just to print a Word document?"

      They don't. Printer companies internally have this figured out. Google HP PCL or Samsung SPL. If you have the money you've never had to bother with even those. Any laser printer with native Postscript (PS) support doesn't need a custom driver.

    15. Re:Sadly This is a rerun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point of Apple hardware is that it's standardized across the board. Not its power. Everyone working on standardized hardware is one of the most colossal performance boosts hardware can have.

      Look at the specs of a PS2 for god's sake.

    16. Re:Sadly This is a rerun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I call it the programmer's entitlement. They feel entitled to use up hundreds upon hundreds of RAM, masses of space, bandwisth, and processing power for something as simple as an IM client (skype). Even command prompt on Windows 7 takes up 1 megabyte of memory at startup. The COMMAND PROMPT. If you went back to the early 90s and released a notepad program that took up 2MB of memory you would be hanged for it because a computer back then only had 4MB of ram, 8MB if you were the richest bastard on the planet. Fastforward to 1995 that 8MB is now the standard.

      Moore's law only exists because of this entitlement. It's like the strange idea that if I buy twice as much soda, you're allowed to drink it twice as fast. This isn't a badly-run company, nobody is going to take away your 8GB of RAM if you don't use it.

  5. Why bother... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple needs to stop trying to write one-size-fits-all Applications.
    iTunes. Horrible. Is it a store, a media center, a device data management tool? Why yes, and it's pretty terrible at all of those things.
    Messages? That's where I want to send and receive communications from... iOS already has an App Store why would I want to replicate that function in my communications app?

    And what's up with stickers? Who but a teenager would even want to use that stuff? It's not a viable communication medium for adults wanting to convey actual messages.

    Why Apple thinks these are the things they should be focusing on instead of improving their hardware lineup, fixing bugs and improving workflow operations is beyond me (I'm giving sideeye to the difference between sending photos in email vs Messages...)

    1. Re:Why bother... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Apple is going to fail so fast, it's going to be epic. It has become a fashion company. Once it goes out of style, it's going to be over so quickly, heads will spin.

    2. Re:Why bother... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Messages? That's where I want to send and receive communications from... iOS already has an App Store why would I want to replicate that function in my communications app?

      Isn't this what killed Google Wave?

    3. Re:Why bother... by dwillden · · Score: 1

      Everybody also needs to stop trying to make their app do everything. Everybody wants to add every feature under the sun, until their app becomes so bloated it's not worth the space or time it takes to launch it.

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    4. Re:Why bother... by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Sadly, no, they'll thrash around for a couple decades on their cash reserves, doing a lot of damage to the tech industry and to the global economy as a whole before they die. Buckle up, it's going to get interesting.

      I wish I could believe they might turn things around, but I gave up any hope of that when they trash can was brought to market.

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    5. Re:Why bother... by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Apple is going to fail so fast, it's going to be epic. It has become a fashion company. Once it goes out of style, it's going to be over so quickly, heads will spin.

      Apple: Proudly going out of business for over FORTY YEARS...

    6. Re:Why bother... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple... the only company that ever achieved worlds largest market cap by going out of business.

  6. Slashdot likes to rag on Apple by wtbman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Users say: Enough!

    1. Re:Slashdot likes to rag on Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who says that except a fanboi?

      FOAD, Apple sucks and so does your dad.

    2. Re:Slashdot likes to rag on Apple by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Slashdot likes to rag on Apple

      Slashdot likes to rag on technology companies that do and make shitty things. I don't see a problem with that considering this is a site mostly about technology.

      Slashdot has only gone after Apple since Jobs kicked it. Have you considered the possibility that Apple has lost the critical component that kept them from making shitty things?

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    3. Re:Slashdot likes to rag on Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Users say: Enough!

      Grandmas say: Enough! (fixed that for you)

    4. Re:Slashdot likes to rag on Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are more Apple fanboys on Slashdot than any other site I've seen. Congratulations on demonstrating that perfectly. Any criticism of the company and you start wetting yourself.

  7. We have the biggest walled garden! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a great walled garden. Really, the best. I'm going to make it even bigger. It's going to be yuge!

  8. Wish I still had Droid by Notabadguy · · Score: 0

    I used to have a Motorola Droid; then a Samsung Android.

    In 2010 or so, GE policy basically mandated that I have a work phone, but they only offered iphones. I got an iphone 4s for work e-mail and phone, and kept my Samsung in my pocket.

    Several years later, I ended up consolidating both phones into my work phone (iPhone 5s at that point) because I was tired of carrying two phones around, especially if work was going to pay for one - and I hardly used the other for anything except for playing crap off the google store in my downtime.

    Today I have an iphone 6, having passed on the iphone 7. Text messaging is weird, even with autocorrect turned off; if I tilt the phone at the wrong angle, it switches to that stupid doodle mentioned in TFS. If I swipe or fat finger, it switches from text messaging to that stupid doodle or emojis.

    Fuck you apple. Seriously. Fuck you and your wannabe Wechat. I wish I had my android back.

    1. Re:Wish I still had Droid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buy an Android phone then you whiner. Your employer is the problem not Apple.

    2. Re:Wish I still had Droid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You can turn off that stupid doodle shit, I hated it too. http://www.iphonehacks.com/2016/09/disable-handwriting-mode-ios-10-messages-app.html

    3. Re:Wish I still had Droid by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 1

      You can turn off that stupid doodle shit, I hated it too. http://www.iphonehacks.com/201...

      Yeah, but how do you turn off the stupid "commenting" on a text by holding down on it too long?

  9. How to delete a message in mail app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    iOS does seem very obscure now, the other day I had to help a family member delete a message through the iPad mail app with a gmail account, it took forever to figure out how to do it, it seems to want you to "archive" the message and never delete it! We had to manually move it to the trash folder. Very unintuitive.

    Also the iPad has plenty of room for text labels on the mail app but there are none, it's hard for my aunt to figure out what does what, and she doesn't want to push a button unless she knows exactly what it does. She had to take notes on how to use this. I feel bad for her.

    1. Re:How to delete a message in mail app by omnichad · · Score: 1

      it seems to want you to "archive" the message and never delete it! We had to manually move it to the trash folder. Very unintuitive.

      This is really just how Gmail wants it done. I'm not sure it works the same with IMAP.

    2. Re:How to delete a message in mail app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So gmail is overriding the mail app and the delete button is now hidden?

      I don't see why the app should behave differently based on what email provider you use... That's even worse, then the user experience varies wildly and users can't even communicate with each other about the same thing easily

    3. Re: How to delete a message in mail app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Text labels on the UI are expensive because they need to be translated for each locality. It is far cheaper to just slap icons on everything and make every customer translate.

    4. Re: How to delete a message in mail app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when is apple considering themselves cheap?

    5. Re:How to delete a message in mail app by omnichad · · Score: 1

      The app is just matching user expectations. Gmail already set those expectations and Apple is just respecting it. Someone used to Gmail is not going to see this as a varying user experience. Treating Gmail differently is also smart, because maybe they can do some deduplication between labels on the iPhone storage and the all mail folder. Not that I know they do that.

      Apple also has a user preference to delete instead of archive under that account's settings.

  10. Yes, "enough!" by DeplorableCodeMonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple needs a swift kick in the ass. They've completely lost sight of the Jobs method of empire building which starts with "build and maintain your moat." That moat is the Mac. Even if it becomes 10% of their revenue, it is one of the single most important products they have because of a few reasons:

    1. It has developers get to every iOS product line.
    2. It is the general purpose computer of influencers and decision makers.
    3. It is a hub to the iOS product lines that Apple can totally control.

    It takes no real resources for a company like Apple to regularly update the Mac lines. They can easily afford to sacrifice some potential profitability to make their pro lines robust, repairable, upgradeable, etc. I didn't mind a semi-disposable iPhone when the Macbook Pro was like it was until the post-Jobs era. Now I don't know any power users that think Apple for a $1500-$2500 laptop purchase because we all now think it's a sucker's game.

    1. Re:Yes, "enough!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > the general purpose computer of influencers and decision makers.

      You mean Windows? I'd be surprised if corporate management uses anything but that.

      A bunch of self-schooled web designers are not "influencers and decision makers".

  11. Features that nobody uses or CAN use. by Yggdrasil42 · · Score: 2

    My main complaint with Apple's new features of the past years has been that most have limited reach.

    Things like Apple Pay are still not available in The Netherlands (where I live), years after release. Siri took years to arrive and is still far more limited than in the US. Other features are constrained to the Apple ecosystem, ignoring the fact that most users own and interact with various platforms. I've never felt a need to explore stickets in Messages, because barely anyone I know still uses Messages.

  12. MacBook developer wishlist by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    Developer here. I do some development on my MacBooks (newest is MacBook Pro from mid 2015). My ongoing wishlist:
    - Large screens (DPI matters less than actual real estate): 15-inches or more, and vertical space is valuable
    - At least two large/powered USB ports (today I have two large - Type A - and one powered)
    - Two HDMI ports (today I have one; I use an adapter for my second monitor)
    - Docking station (I do most of my work at one workstation where my monitors/keyboard/headphones live - today I plug/unplug 6 cables when I get in for the morning or back from a meeting)

    No, I don't need a headphone jack. Bluetooth/wireless is a thing these days.

    1. Re:MacBook developer wishlist by beelsebob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They already have a docking station - it's called a Thunderbolt port, you just chose not to buy a dock.

    2. Re:MacBook developer wishlist by Malc · · Score: 1

      I'm still using a mid-2011 17" MBP for all my work in Lightroom. Brilliant laptop, great screen, and the best form factor for a 17" laptop at the time.

      When you say "docking station", are you thinking of those god awful things that PC users put up with? I just plug in a thunderbolt connector and power lead in to my work 2015 15" MBP. The screen has a hub in it. I look forward to the upgrade to USB-C. I hope I never again have to use one of those horrible docks I had in the past with Dell laptops.

    3. Re:MacBook developer wishlist by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2

      >> docking station - it's called a Thunderbolt port

      After plugging/unplugging a thousand times (getting close I think) I worry about my little Thunderbolt port, which feels like it's getting looser. I guess I'm hoping for something more "commercial grade" (designed for 10K+ plugs/unplugs, with a physical "ker-chunk" when it's docked).

    4. Re:MacBook developer wishlist by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

      >> When you say "docking station", are you thinking of those god awful things that PC users put up with?

      Yes. That exactly. I currently use my MBP as one of the three monitors on my desk, and it always sits in the same place there.

      > The screen has a (Thunderbolt) hub in it.

      Just one external screen? My minimum developer environment is two large matched monitors, with the laptop open as a (small) convenience third.

    5. Re:MacBook developer wishlist by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Last time I checked, thunderbolt hubs were difficult to find on Amazon for $10 like USB ports.

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    6. Re:MacBook developer wishlist by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Developer here. I do some development on my MacBooks (newest is MacBook Pro from mid 2015). My ongoing wishlist:
      - Large screens (DPI matters less than actual real estate): 15-inches or more, and vertical space is valuable
      - At least two large/powered USB ports (today I have two large - Type A - and one powered)
      - Two HDMI ports (today I have one; I use an adapter for my second monitor)
      - Docking station (I do most of my work at one workstation where my monitors/keyboard/headphones live - today I plug/unplug 6 cables when I get in for the morning or back from a meeting)

      No, I don't need a headphone jack. Bluetooth/wireless is a thing these days.

      Sounds like you need a 2016 MacBook Pro with a nice TB3 Dock, like this:

      One cable. Done. Three MORE Ports left!

      https://blog.macsales.com/3856...

    7. Re:MacBook developer wishlist by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      >> docking station - it's called a Thunderbolt port

      After plugging/unplugging a thousand times (getting close I think) I worry about my little Thunderbolt port, which feels like it's getting looser. I guess I'm hoping for something more "commercial grade" (designed for 10K+ plugs/unplugs, with a physical "ker-chunk" when it's docked).

      Thunderbolt Connectors ARE rated at 10K+ Insertions/Removals, IIRC.

    8. Re:MacBook developer wishlist by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      I'm still using a mid-2011 17" MBP for all my work in Lightroom. Brilliant laptop, great screen, and the best form factor for a 17" laptop at the time.

      When you say "docking station", are you thinking of those god awful things that PC users put up with? I just plug in a thunderbolt connector and power lead in to my work 2015 15" MBP. The screen has a hub in it. I look forward to the upgrade to USB-C. I hope I never again have to use one of those horrible docks I had in the past with Dell laptops.

      No, I think he meant a TB Dock.

  13. Fix the hardware by thegreatbob · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Bring the hardware up to modern specifications, then try to maintain a reasonable price, and people will be more likely flock to it. Of course, they make enough money on iPhone/iPad that they probably don't feel particularly motivated to improve the state of affairs for desktop/laptop users.

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    1. Re: Fix the hardware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Do you know how many MacBooks they sell? Let's just say it easily fits in the "flock to" category. Computer nerds are not their primary market, and shouldn't be.

    2. Re:Fix the hardware by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "Bring the hardware up to modern specifications"

      That's a typical answer for those that tend to not program in the most efficient manner possible.

      How about you bring your coding standards up to something better than the modern bloat we have now?

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    3. Re: Fix the hardware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea because users are responsible for all the bad code and software bloat we have today. /s

      Captcha: jackass

    4. Re: Fix the hardware by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Actually, lots of them are. They make the suggestion - the companies listen.

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  14. Longtime Apple Support Specialist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've been a longtime Apple Support Specialist and I've never, ever, seen it hit such a low level of usability and simplicity. It's as if the current Apple has a UI team staffed by the people who designed Windows 3.1. Even basic applications like Messages (on the Mac) are now so difficult to use (AND buggy) that many users have simply given up.

    Apple needs to fire or re-assign every single person that worked on the UI designs post Snow Leopard and post IOS 6 and do a complete "Microsoft Windows 8 doh! moment reversal." They need to go back to where they were then, when everything worked exactly as it should and made freaking sense.

    There is nothing worse than trying to teach people how to use current Apple software: "Why is this this way?" (Because Steve Jobs died and the people now in charge at Apple are morons.) "This doesn't make any sense." (No, it doesn't, it's complete nonsense and you just have to memorize it.) It's a fracking nightmare.

    1. Re:Longtime Apple Support Specialist by Moof123 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Strong agreement here.

      I have been annoyed for a while with what they have done to music on iOS since they integrated streaming. It is hard to do something as simple as switch to shuffle on a currently playing playlist for Pete's sake. Then I took my old ipod touch that is stuck at iOS 6 on a road trip. Holy cow did things "Just work". I'd forgotten just how bad iOS had gotten that I could easily do more of what I wanted on a widget I've barely used in 2 years than on the iPad I use almost daily.

      I'd rather have fewer gimmicks that worked really well than heaps of buggy features I never use.

    2. Re:Longtime Apple Support Specialist by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not only that, who the fuck ever thought "Shake to undo" was a good, intuitive idea?

    3. Re:Longtime Apple Support Specialist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're just now figuring this out?

      I used to be a Mac guy. But OSX killed the UI. It violated the HIG in nearly every way. Apple's response? Rewrite the HIG. The old HIG was based on research and data. The OSX HIG was based on the whims of the UI designers (so basically lies and bullshit). I gave up at the third(!) UI revamp in less than a decade when 10.5 came out. Been a Windows user and dev ever since. Oddly enough, through all of the Windows UI changes in the last few years, far less shit broke than when Apple did the same to OSX.

    4. Re:Longtime Apple Support Specialist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple Support Specialist

      Please let that actually be a real, official job title.

    5. Re:Longtime Apple Support Specialist by swb · · Score: 2

      They want to be a services company and they are using their apps to steer users towards their services.

      Ever since iTunes match became a thing, the music app has been sliding and the current pushyness to Apple Music has made it almost unusable.

    6. Re:Longtime Apple Support Specialist by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Making an exception to my no AC replies rule to nominate you as the next CEO of Apple. You might turn this shit around yet!

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    7. Re:Longtime Apple Support Specialist by Ronyonte · · Score: 1

      Right. I have never used some of the functions and I will not , as well. They should consider more about how to make the basic fuctions more convenient to use rather than dvelope those unpractical features.

    8. Re:Longtime Apple Support Specialist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you make it a day without breaking your AC rule? That hardly makes it a rule but more typical of a new-year's resolution.

    9. Re:Longtime Apple Support Specialist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He lasted longer than you've ever gone without being a complete dickbag.

  15. Imac pro without E-net build in! do you want to ad by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Imac pro without E-net build in! do you want to add an
    $19.99 TB3 to E-net dongle?
    $39.99 TB3 to 10G-E-net dongle?
    $29.99 TB3 to SFP+ dongle?

  16. Books by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    I think they should add a feature where people can write stories. They could call it Stories.

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  17. So it's "too complicated" now ... by aix+tom · · Score: 1

    ... to order food, scribble doodles and send funny pictures?

    Wow. Society rally is going down the drain.

    1. Re:So it's "too complicated" now ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *Ugggh* "Can't remember how to move finger...." *Ugggh* "Siri please tell my boss about the flyer you made."

      "OK, telling the boss to fly in the parade."

      "...."

      This future Goddamnyouautocorrect excerpt is brought to you by the future laziness of your descendants. Because using a computer is Hard Labor(TM).

      Honestly, at the rate we're going, using an iOS device actually will become an activity banned by the Geneva Convention..... People forget that users are just that, users. They have no ability to think for themselves and demand everything to be done for them. Say what you want about most people, but users are about the only justified target of ridicule for individual laziness.

  18. What the iPhone really needs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the iPhone really needs is a one-button mouse. Simple solution to a simple problem.

    1. Re:What the iPhone really needs by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      ...and an option button.

    2. Re:What the iPhone really needs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With the charging port on the bottom.

  19. apple needs an server system or at least rights VM by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    apple needs an server system or at least rights to run server in a VM on ANY base hardware. Small and big business can use an local update mirror and they would like to rack mount it / load on there in place VM hardware. Also apple used to have an mini server but they just had cut the power and make the mini even thinner.

    And the mac pro??? 256G is small and 2 video cards is over kill for an server.

  20. Imagine the alternative by bothorsen · · Score: 1

    "We have just launched the new iPhone, it comes with *exactly* the same features as the last one."

    That's obviously never going to happen, so creeping featurism it is. It's so hard to avoid this, no matter what kind of software system you're building. And that's exactly the reason why. Apple - and to at least some extend the users - want to have new features on the phones. But cutting away something that current users still use also sound like a bad idea.

    Maybe Jobs could have avoided this. I doubt it. It's a major dilemma that all software and hardware vendors face all the time.

  21. Apple downloads iOS updates without consent. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every few days a new iOS update is downloaded without my consent, with no way to disable it. Wasting my money on data caps. Apple should use it's $100 billion to pay for internet connections of its users if it wants to force download updates.

    1. Re:Apple downloads iOS updates without consent. by ZorinLynx · · Score: 1

      Unless you're jailbroken there is little reason to not install the latest version of iOS. And if you're jailbroken you can disable the automatic updates.

      Why in particular are you staying on an older version?

    2. Re:Apple downloads iOS updates without consent. by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "Every few days a new iOS update is downloaded without my consent, with no way to disable it"

      Block the shit in your router.
      Turn off your data plan.
      Don't let it connect to other APs.

      In other words, use your phone AS A FUCKING PHONE. That seems to be what you want it to do, anyways. Here, I have a Tracfone for ya.

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    3. Re:Apple downloads iOS updates without consent. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because I don't want sparkly stars or whatever exploding in Messages and staying on iOS 9 is the only way Apple lets me disable that crap.

    4. Re:Apple downloads iOS updates without consent. by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Unless you're jailbroken there is little reason to not drink the kool-aid

      FIFY

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    5. Re:Apple downloads iOS updates without consent. by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      There isn't a new iOS update every couple of days. There's only a handful during the year so they are making it up. If you don't install a minor update a badge with a number (for the number of messages, warnings, etc) shows up over the Settings app. For the major updates iOS nags you multiple times a day to upgrade.

      There could be application updates every day but you can turn them off in the Settings.

    6. Re:Apple downloads iOS updates without consent. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There isn't a new iOS update every couple of days. There's only a handful during the year so they are making it up. If you don't install a minor update a badge with a number (for the number of messages, warnings, etc) shows up over the Settings app. For the major updates iOS nags you multiple times a day to upgrade.

      There could be application updates every day but you can turn them off in the Settings.

      They probably aren't "making it up" but are instead confusing "don't upgrade now" with "skip this update forever", and thus think every time the phone reminds them that it's a new update.

    7. Re:Apple downloads iOS updates without consent. by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Every few days a new iOS update is downloaded without my consent, with no way to disable it. Wasting my money on data caps. Apple should use it's $100 billion to pay for internet connections of its users if it wants to force download updates.

      Bullshit.

      iOS Update Downloads are only done over WiFi, so no impact on your cellular data usage.

      Also, It ONLY downloads updates if on WiFi AND connected to AC. So, turn on Airplane Mode (or just turn off WiFi) while you charge.

      And you HAVE to Consent to INSTALL it.

      So, what was your question again?

    8. Re:Apple downloads iOS updates without consent. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://writekay.github.io/Dis...

      Works great. Skip step 2, though - it's a bunch of unneeded fuckery just to remove a stupid icon badge.

    9. Re:Apple downloads iOS updates without consent. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Removal of features and general UI regressions. That's always the danger when updating any software, whether OS or app. And in this brave new world, there's no going back; once you've updated, you're stuck, whether you like it or not. No reloading a previous version from backups or original media. WTF.

      I'm still on 9.3.5 because the music player is far worse in 10. As is Control Center, which requires more taps and swipes to do the same things. Apple has completely lost its way in usability, with the damn visual "designers" running the show.

      At least they're trying to fix CC in iOS 11, although the released screenshot looks like a big mess.

    10. Re:Apple downloads iOS updates without consent. by joemck · · Score: 1

      >Unless you're jailbroken there is little reason to not install the latest version of iOS

      How about if you have an iPhone that isn't the newest model, and don't want it to turn into a laggy, unusable mess?

    11. Re:Apple downloads iOS updates without consent. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OSes seem to assume wifi is unlimited. In the US this is often not the case. The cap is higher than with cellular data plans, but it's still there.

    12. Re: Apple downloads iOS updates without consent. by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      "Often"? Name one. Internet cafés died out 10 years ago. When working in Palm springs, we had to pay $100 for 10GB, but that was data. Boingo is like $10 a month. We have free hotspots in every restaurant in my area in Canada. Who's paying for WiFi?

  22. Re: apple needs an server system or at least right by PoopJuggler · · Score: 1

    What's the point of them selling servers? Apple's MO is quality, consumer-facing hardware and software, not a race to the bottom to make IT managers happy.

  23. Problem is that Messages isn't cross-platform by ZorinLynx · · Score: 1

    iMessage can become as advanced as it wants; the fundamental issue is that it's not a cross-platform app. Its extra features are only available on iOS devices and Macs.

    I use mostly Telegram with my friends because it runs on everything. Even though I love my iPhone I recognize that without cross-platform support, some of its features will always be limited. Apple should open up iMessage to other platforms, then we might see some greater adoption of its fancier features.

    1. Re:Problem is that Messages isn't cross-platform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're talking Apple software on non-Apple hardware. That's just heresy!

    2. Re:Problem is that Messages isn't cross-platform by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      iMessanger never really worked for me reliable.

      Messages sent on one device, or received, would often not show up on other devices.

      So I switched it off (yes, of course I have the same iTunes/iCloud account on all devices registered), worst of all: some messages send on my iPad never reached the recipient.

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  24. Instruction manual? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since the first iPhone hit the market there has to my knowledge never been an instruction manual. There is no need stop adding features to the iPhone there is simply a need now for documentation.

  25. My messages/imessage/SMS are broken. by Bender+Unit+22 · · Score: 1

    My messages/imessage/SMS are broken. Have spent hours trying to get it to work. From some people, I only receive them on my computer, from others they arrive on my iPhone. Receiving and sending SMS from my computer haven't worked in months.
    Sigh.
    If I have to spend hours getting things to work, I might as well build my own Windows computer again.

    1. Re:My messages/imessage/SMS are broken. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My messages/imessage/SMS are broken. Have spent hours trying to get it to work. From some people, I only receive them on my computer, from others they arrive on my iPhone. Receiving and sending SMS from my computer haven't worked in months.

      You're holding it wrong.

  26. Include an instruction manual by Jetty+Jetty · · Score: 1

    Apple has never released an instruction manual for the iPhones since they've been released to the public. I suggest adding one and not worrying about a users' ability to discover new features. I love any new functionality built in to each new model and don't see why it should stop anytime soon

    1. Re: Include an instruction manual by MichaelJ · · Score: 1

      What about this one?
      http://help.apple.com/iphone/1...

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    2. Re:Include an instruction manual by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      The instruction manuals are on the phone. in the iBooks App if I recall correctly.

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    3. Re:Include an instruction manual by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Huh, I wonder if they include a manual page that tells you that. If they do, it's probably in iBooks.

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    4. Re:Include an instruction manual by Jetty+Jetty · · Score: 1

      Wow I didn't know that. Thanks

    5. Re:Include an instruction manual by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      I have an old iPhone 4S.
      Yes, it came with a small printed manual, I'm just not sure anymore what was in the manual and what was in iBooks, might as well be that I downloaded the stuff into iBooks and it was mot preinstalled.
      On the other hand only very few things on iOS require a manual. On the other hand again: I don't know what I have missed and don't know :)

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  27. One app for everything? by PPH · · Score: 1

    One App to rule them all, One App to find them,
    One App to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.

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  28. My PRECIOUS!!!! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    One App to shut them down!

  29. well they need something to get into business by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    well they need something to get into business and they used to have servers rack mount and all kinds of sever stuff with them.

  30. The one announcement I want... by wezelboy · · Score: 2

    The person responsible for accelerometer activation of doodles in Messenger is no longer employed at Apple.

  31. Only if you're a teenage girl.... by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 1

    ....is " ability to order food, scribble doodles and send funny images known as stickers in chats on its Messages app" a handy feature. Those of us who aren't frequently find ourselves inanely "commenting" on a text by accident. And, of course, that can't be turned off.

  32. users? really? what users? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Users? Really? What users? How many of them? Do you have metrics, or did you just think this up on your own?

  33. Re:users? really? what users? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This reminds me of one of Trumps favorite phrases. " You know it, I know it, Everybody knows it "

  34. but but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But Apple are meant to be loved and bought by above average earners,so you would expect them to be above average in brains,but it looks like they can't work out how to use a fairly simple option on their devices ?
    So,their just as thick as android fanboys,just greedier..

  35. Innovation, na just copy the Chinese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought Apple had more cash than God and innovation coming out their ass. Nope, they are just copying the Chinese again, because they ran out of Android things to copy.

  36. To be fair... by sootman · · Score: 3

    ... I could name a dozen other companies off the top of my head who are adding more features than I want. Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Mozilla, Adobe, my cable company, my phone company... and that's just from looking at a list of what I have running right now. I could probably hit a hundred if I actually started making a list. Does anyone want to hear details of how the A/C controls in a 2016 Corolla are objectively worse than they were in a 1986 Corolla?

    Apple is probably mid-pack in terms of "shit I didn't ask for and don't want".

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  37. Re:Imac pro without E-net build in! do you want to by BronsCon · · Score: 1

    Even worse, while those dongles use nowhere near the bandwidth available form the port they plug into, they don't daisy chain. It's easy to say that shouldn't be a problem because you can just plug it in at the end of the chain, but we're talking about something you'll always want plugged in, which should dictate that it's at the start of the chain. Furthermore, almost no Thunderbolt devices daisy chain properly, so you can't just stick it at the end of the chain in the first place. And I largely blame Apple for that, as the company pushing hardest for the proliferation of Thunderbolt; they set the example and everyone else follows it. When their devices don't daisy chain, nobody else is going to bother, either.

    4 ports could be enough if peripherals supported the spec properly. With USB, it's plenty as you can use a hub. Thunderbolt doesn't work like that, it's daisy chain or nothing; if you have more than 3 things to plug in (power being #4) you're screwed.

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    APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
  38. Nothing... by 101percent · · Score: 2

    Not much innovation on the MacOS front for a WWDC. Looks like Apple really is a media company now. iOS seems to be their main software focus.