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DOJ Charges Federal Contractor With Leaking Classified Info To Media (thehill.com)

schwit1 quotes a report from The Hill: The Department of Justice charged 25-year-old government contractor Reality Leigh Winner with sharing top secret material with a media outlet, prosecutors announced in a press release Monday. Court documents filed by the government don't specify which media outlet received the materials allegedly leaked by Winner, but NBC News reported that the material went to the Intercept online news outlet. The Intercept published a top secret NSA report Monday that alleged Russian military intelligence launched a 2016 cyberattack on a voting software company. Details on the report published by The Intercept suggest that it was created on May 5, 2017 -- the same day prosecutors say the materials Winner is charged with sharing were created. A Justice Department spokesman declined to comment on whether Winner is accused of sharing the report published by the Intercept. Last month, Winner allegedly "printed and improperly removed classified intelligence reporting, which contained classified national defense information" before mailing the materials to an unnamed online news outlet a few days later, according to prosecutors.

241 comments

  1. I guess you could say... by TimothyHollins · · Score: 4, Funny

    When Reality finally struck, no-one went home a Winner :(

    1. Re:I guess you could say... by LifesABeach · · Score: 2

      What can I say about your comment. How about, "prove it bitch?"

    2. Re:I guess you could say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, Jared and Company will be charged soon also - with treason.

    3. Re:I guess you could say... by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Ah, the conspiracy theories live on.... Vince Foster in Fort Marcy Park anyone?

      You got to admit, a lot of strange deaths seem to surround the Clintons....Why? Who knows, and at this point, who cares.

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    4. Re:I guess you could say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You got to admit, a lot of strange deaths seem to surround the Clintons....Why?

      Because somebody compiled a random list of deaths, called them strange, and asserted tenuous and unsupported connections to the Clintons. See, the way you phrased it "seem to surround" well, that is really no admission at all.

      Who knows, and at this point, who cares.

      Yes, that's the problem of crying wolf, when there's not even a fox in the Henhouse.

    5. Re:I guess you could say... by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, Jared and Company will be charged soon also - with treason.

      You clearly don't understand the definition of treason. I suggest you read the part of the Constitution that does define it, an try to come up with how this would fit.

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    6. Re:I guess you could say... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      But every R candidate for president for the last 100 years has literally been Hitler...

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    7. Re:I guess you could say... by eaglesrule · · Score: 1

      Who cares? Yeah, justice is for the plebes. There are five lights.

    8. Re:I guess you could say... by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Oh no, you took me wrong... There are two alternate readings of this...

      There is the joke angle "What difference does it make at this point..." (From Hill's congressional testimony on Benghazi) A bad joke, I know.

      OR.

      I'd LOVE to see Bill and Hill sent to the big house and I'm pretty sure they would deserve it. However, at this point the politics of it all makes it unlikely to be successful and the amount of time between now and when the possible crimes took place makes prosecution even more unlikely. It would be a waste of time, money and effort to try at this point.

      Besides.... There is one judgment they will not escape....

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    9. Re:I guess you could say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have. What's your point?

    10. Re:I guess you could say... by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      They can't be. Only someone on the left can be a Hitler. Hitler was a leftist. A National Socialist. Can't say Nazi without saying Socialist. Republicans aren't that. They are also not fascist, leftist are. The left continues to try to associate their bad deeds with the right and dumb people believe it. The really big dumb one was all the racists became Republicans in the 1960s. I still hear that one, and people believe it with a straight face. No, all the racists are still in the Democratic party.

    11. Re:I guess you could say... by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      You do actually have a point:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      Weapons, marching as a show of force, brown shirts...now all we're missing is kristallnacht.

    12. Re:I guess you could say... by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Learn more about Bill Clinton (and Hillary while you're at it) then see the plausibility of this.

      Oooo wake up sheeple. Alex Jones knows the score.

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  2. Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here comes 30 years in prison

    1. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are a fucking idiot

    2. Re:Well by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Here comes 30 years in prison

      I dunno...apparently if you get a sex change in prison, they let you out in about 7 years or so....

      Maybe this is "Reality's" scheme....to get a free sex change operation on the tax payers dollar...?

      It has worked before....

      [rolls eyes]

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    3. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are reporting in the news that she is looking at 10 years.

    4. Re: Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are a fucking fag

    5. Re:Well by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      Nope, this one's already a woman. She doesn't need to take drastic measures in order to get leniency. She will already get it.

  3. Anti-Trump Sandersnista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    "Being white is terrorism".

    How'd this idjit get a TS clearance?

    1. Re:Anti-Trump Sandersnista by CajunArson · · Score: 0, Insightful

      It's interesting how racists like that get TS clearances and would I'm sure have a free ride at Harvard after the admissions office spied on their social media accounts.

      Interesting in a very bad way but interesting.

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    2. Re: Anti-Trump Sandersnista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      It's called smaller government and privatization of our national security. Thank the GOP for saving a buck or two somewhere.

      You're blaming the GOP for the actions of a radical, racist "progressive"?

      That's a new one.

    3. Re: Anti-Trump Sandersnista by GLMDesigns · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Small government applies to the breadth of what the government does. Small government does not mean inept, in times of war (say WWII) it does not mean keeping taxes low or not paying soldiers. It means that government is limited - that does not have a role in say wage and price freezes (rent control); that it's function is not to redistribute wealth; etc...

      You may agree or disagree with the positions - but you are simply making a straw man and digging yourself into an intellectual hole when you convince yourself of this bullsh!t.

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      If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
      Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
    4. Re:Anti-Trump Sandersnista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like she was just another one of the Obama logic-bomb employees.

      Years ago, I wouldn't have to define a logic bomb on Slashdot, but given the trolls who run this place now, I cannot assume anyone with a number has heard that term used correctly.

      So, a logic bomb is a type of deadman's switch malware, installed while the attacker had full access and privilege to the system. On whatever schedule the attacker chooses, the attacker must issue a delay command to prevent the logic bomb from doing whatever damage it was designed to do. It was typically implemented by disgruntled employees who suspected they would be fired for some other reason, so that some time after being removed from the office, the servers (and backups) fail in some horrific manner.

      With that bit of education, a logic bomb employee is one who can be expected to cause damage under certain conditions without any direct instruction. Political fanatics make excellent logic-bomb employees.

    5. Re: Anti-Trump Sandersnista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You watched the movie Hackers too?

      I hope they scrub the Gibson. Who knows what backdoors she left. They should check the screens for any pictures of rabbits or smiley faces.

    6. Re:Anti-Trump Sandersnista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      She was enlisted in the AF. Possibly in intelligence? In any case, a high school diploma and little or no criminal history will get you into the military. She got her TS clearance from the military. She was probably honorably discharged. Then, she became marketable to a number of contractors who have DoD contracts and she fit several criteria: 1) TS clearance, 2) experience, 3) female. She is young and impressionable and thus became a leftist. The dark side is quicker and more seductive. Contractors have too much access to information. The leftists have an active campaign to recruit low information people to work as their hired useful idiots.

    7. Re:Anti-Trump Sandersnista by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1, Informative

      Looks like she was just another one of the Obama logic-bomb employees.

      No, she was another of the many incompetents in this administration. She was hired on February 13th. Guess who was in the White House on that day?

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      We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
    8. Re: Anti-Trump Sandersnista by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Informative

      It means that government is limited - that does not have a role in say wage and price freezes (rent control); that it's function is not to redistribute wealth; etc...

      I think the problem is we all agree on "small government" and then assume everyone else is with us on the specifics. For me, "small government" means "Not restricting freedoms and rights." Like no laws against abortion.

      I'd also argue that having your rights abridged by the government and having your rights abridged by a corporation are different only in that you got to vote for the government. To me, a government that is too small to regulate, say, comcast or health insurance agencies, that's really pretty similar to "big government."

      Finally, with wealth inequality reaching the robber barron age, I can't fathom how people would still be saying "government shouldn't redistribute wealth." FFS the fastest way to a situation we'd all consider to be "big government" is through an oligarchy.

    9. Re:Anti-Trump Sandersnista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      From personal experience, I know that link is incomplete. Even mere Secret level clearance takes weeks, Top Secret takes much longer. So her security clearance evaluations started sometime in 2016, guess who was in the White House that year.

    10. Re: Anti-Trump Sandersnista by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      Governments role is to protect individual rights. (See US Constitution and Bill of Rights)

      Abortion is tricky (I'm pro-choice in case it matters) as there isn't a clear cut definition of where life begins. (We know the arguments back-and-forth)

      Corporations live only by customers using them. We could kill Amazon or Walmart in a heart-beat by not buying things from them.

      Wealth inequity is a tricky issue.

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      If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
      Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
    11. Re:Anti-Trump Sandersnista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The Reality is, if you cite infowars.com, you're a Loser.

    12. Re:Anti-Trump Sandersnista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And she served in the military under who? You see where your logic takes you?

    13. Re:Anti-Trump Sandersnista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      She most likely got her clearance when she was in the military.

    14. Re:Anti-Trump Sandersnista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This idjit got a clearance because this idjit had a clearance; she was a USAF linguist (TS/SCI required) for 6 years. In all likelihood, Ft Gordon was her final assignment when she separated, she applied to a contractor req for a position at Ft Gordon, and was back in the same building with minimal downtime between her military and contractor career.

    15. Re:Anti-Trump Sandersnista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Geezus, you're a fucking idiot.

      Winner joined the Air Force in 2011. From 2013 until she was hired by Pluribus, she was an active member who held Top Secret clearance. Who was the President then, dipshit?

    16. Re: Anti-Trump Sandersnista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kinda like your small dick?

    17. Re: Anti-Trump Sandersnista by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      We could kill Amazon or Walmart in a heart-beat by not buying things from them.

      The oceans could all be drained in a heartbeat if all the water molecules decided to evaporate simultaneously. They won't of course, they have an extremely long history of not simply deciding to do that except when there's a lot of heat. Likewise, most people won't vote with their wallet against corporations, they have a long history of not voting against anything but the worst corporations when a lot of other stuff is going on.

    18. Re: Anti-Trump Sandersnista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Abortion is tricky (I'm pro-choice in case it matters) as there isn't a clear cut definition of where life begins.

      Life begins before conception. The sperm & egg are independently alive before they meet. Doubly so once they combine. The argument is over when the fetus gets its soul. My opinion is never.

    19. Re:Anti-Trump Sandersnista by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Infowars, really? You do realize that Alex Jones has admitted in court proceedings that he's just playing a character and doesn't actually believe the stuff he says, don't you?

      The actual tweet is a reply to Kanye West: "@kanyewest you should make a shirt that says, "being white is terrorism"". Kanye West - the "George Bush doesn't care about black people" guy. The Obama hasn't accomplished as much as Bush because "...he ain't got those connections. Black people don't have the same level of connections as Jewish people...We ain't Jewish. We don't got family that got money like that." guy. The reason-he-lost-an-awards-show being "maybe my skin's not right" guy. A guy who's a living parody of himself.

      And a guy who runs a fashion line. Hence the joke about the T-shirt.

      Of course, to you people the problem isn't the fact that Russia not only launched an aggressive campaign against the public to shift the election, but also tried to compromise voting software and spearfish local election officials. No no, that's not the problem at all. The problem is that someone dared leak the fact that they did this. And that it's someone who doesn't like Trump - like most Americans. And oh my god, she also supports BLM, like the majority of people her age group - including white people in her age group. Clearly the problem isn't a major effort by a hostile power to compromise an election - it's that a person who agrees with the stances of the majority dared tell people about it! Damn her!

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    20. Re:Anti-Trump Sandersnista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Infowars, really?...

      Are you saying the quotes from Reality Winner's FB and Twitter posts are faked?

      Or are you just engaging in ad hominem bullshit?

    21. Re:Anti-Trump Sandersnista by Rei · · Score: 1

      Stop for a second and think of how you would react if the situation were reversed, if someone came here and posted something from Natural News or Democratic Underground.

      The content of the post you linked from crazyconspiracycentral.com was addressed. But I guess you stopped reading after seeing your choice in "news" sources criticized.

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      We gotta go to a crappy town where I'm a hero.
    22. Re: Anti-Trump Sandersnista by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      I support 75th trimester abortion rights...

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    23. Re: Anti-Trump Sandersnista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any fetus under the age of 18 and still living at home is fair game in my book.

    24. Re: Anti-Trump Sandersnista by Plugh · · Score: 1

      If you're looking to roll back government, you should seriously consider the Free State Project. By concentrating likeminded people in one state, and getting literally dozens of them elected, we are making real changes, NOW

    25. Re:Anti-Trump Sandersnista by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Uhm, no. Why lie?

      That was part of a quote that you didn't understand.

      She didn't even state it, it was part of a question she was asking Kayne West on twitter. LOL

    26. Re: Anti-Trump Sandersnista by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      Disagree with you completely. It's done often. Look at Chic-Fil-A. That was a perfect example of boycott / counter boycott. Here's another: look at all the people who went after firearm companies after the school massacres? What happened. Customers (like me) bought more to say FU to the gun grabbers. Boycotts and counter boycotts happen all the time.

      I NEVER go to Citgo. I would rather pay more at another station than go there.

      The energy you spend getting government involved is far better spent in going after the companies who do wrong. Just make certain you're not just preaching to the converted because the counter boycott may more than offset your boycott.

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      If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
      Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
    27. Re: Anti-Trump Sandersnista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They consistently sell it as limiting taxes and expenses, but in reality, the same - or more - amount of money would go in, just that they would pocket more of it through further tax-breaks for themselves, removal of regulation against misconduct, and "incentives" to their own wallets.

    28. Re:Anti-Trump Sandersnista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a public tweet and Alex Jones isn't even with Infowars any more, so most of your post has nothing to do with it.

      It's not at all clear to me what kind of "joke" that was, either, when we've seen e.g. those four black young adults kidnap, beat and torture a disabled kid for being white, let alone the situation in South Africa. So when you talk about the situation being reversed, imagine someone making a "joke" on Twitter that invokes any of the racist horrors of the past to properly understand the reaction to it. You might as well post pictures in an Isis pose, holding someone's severed head. Oh wait...

      Those are just "jokes." They're harmlessly supportive of the masked people attacking people with bike locks. Next thing you know, we'll see a palette swap of the 1912 DNC convention lauded as progress.

    29. Re: Anti-Trump Sandersnista by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      I know the project and was in NH for a time. Part of the NY Libertarian Party.

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      If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
      Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
    30. Re: Anti-Trump Sandersnista by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      I agree with you there. "When does life begin" Something like three billion years ago. Definitely there should be 9-billionth trimester abortions.

    31. Re: Anti-Trump Sandersnista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the problem is we all agree on "small government" and then assume everyone else is with us on the specifics. For me, "small government" means "Not restricting freedoms and rights." Like no laws against abortion.
       

      For me, "small government" means a government administered exclusively by midgets. No one over 4'10" allowed. I think that would drastically shrink the size of government in more ways than one.

    32. Re: Anti-Trump Sandersnista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Governments role is to protect individual rights. (See US Constitution and Bill of Rights)

        Abortion is tricky (I'm pro-choice in case it matters) as there isn't a clear cut definition of where life begins. (We know the arguments back-and-forth)

        Corporations live only by customers using them. We could kill Amazon or Walmart in a heart-beat by not buying things from them.

      Wealth inequity is a tricky issue.

      The Constitution certainly spells out a number of other roles for government: coining money, postal service, common defense, general welfare, regulate interstate/international commerce, copyright/patent to promote arts&sciences, regulating piracy, etc. Protecting rights isn't even really on the list; that's more a list of things the government can't do.

      But even if you think 'protecting rights' is the (only) role of government, surely that includes, to quote the Declaration of Independence, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. For example, surely people need food to live, and medical care sure helps.

    33. Re: Anti-Trump Sandersnista by Plugh · · Score: 1

      Come back :) There are now two NH State Reps who are registered Libertarian (no other state has any, AFAIK), and of course dozens of State Reps who are hardcore libertarians but registered in the (R) and (D) parties. Why bang your head against the Empire State's brick wall?

    34. Re: Anti-Trump Sandersnista by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      It should fall to the guidance counselors. Either parent makes the call and the brat just doesn't come home.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    35. Re: Anti-Trump Sandersnista by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      thx. :)

      My job is in NY. I have property in NH and good friends in the Littleton / Whitefield area.

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      If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
      Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
    36. Re: Anti-Trump Sandersnista by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      I would be intrigued to see what you think about Gun Control.

    37. Re: Anti-Trump Sandersnista by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      I used to call myself Libertarian. But lately the Libertarian party seems so obsessed with drug legalization I can't, in clear conscience, even consider myself an L anymore.

    38. Re: Anti-Trump Sandersnista by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      I don't think guns are an inalienable god-given right, as the right to medical autonomy is. It sounds like I'd favor slightly more restrictions than you would, I assume you're okay with the government banning private sales of grenade launchers, RPGs, etc...

    39. Re:Anti-Trump Sandersnista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You don't know what ad hominem means and you should stop using it as a blankie.

      Even if it were ad hominem occasionally the character of the speaker is relevant to the speech.

      If a pedophile makes a political argument, touching kids isn't relevant.

      However, if a pedophile wants to tell you how to dress your kids, it's pretty relevant.

    40. Re: Anti-Trump Sandersnista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wealth inequality or distribution is a term used by those too lazy to go out and earn a living for themselves so they want to basically blame all their problems on evil rich people or big corporations. How bout you gain some sense of financial responsibility eh?

    41. Re:Anti-Trump Sandersnista by bongey · · Score: 1

      "The person I voted for didn't win, so let me make 101 excuses, with 100 being it is Russia" FTFY

  4. Millenials by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

    Truly the "social sharing" generation!

    1. Re:Millenials by Sparowl · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because classified information never got out under older generations.

  5. Seriously though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Who the fuck names their kid "Reality"

    1. Re:Seriously though by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Who the fuck names their kid "Reality"

      The same flavor of idiot who labels that shit on TV "Reality".

    2. Re:Seriously though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who the fuck HIRES kids named Reality?

    3. Re:Seriously though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      reality winner. first i thought it was a joke.

    4. Re:Seriously though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who the fuck HIRES kids named Reality?

      The US Chair Farce, err, Air Force, apparently.

      Yeah, they're that clueless.

    5. Re:Seriously though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody. Her name was originally "Sara", but she changed it, apparently because reality was something she couldn't handle.

  6. With apologies to the Running Man... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2

    It looks like Reality Winner is really Reality Loooouu-zah.

  7. String the liberal up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make an example of her.

  8. Why can't we get actionable leaks. by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I personally think too much stuff is marked as classified which really shouldn't be. Because it is mostly common knowledge, we just don't have the details. However if you are going to leak classified info. Please leak in quality not quantity. I much rather see a report about a leak every few years about something really actionable. About some injustice that is only classified because it makes the ruling people look bad, and is something truly affecting ones conscious.

    These little leaks in a state where we are ruled by a 12 year old in a 70 year old body. We are much better putting him in a state of false security where his overconfidence will lead to real mistakes and the leak can hit like a dagger. Vs a constant irritant .

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    1. Re:Why can't we get actionable leaks. by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Information (generally) isn't classified because the information is good - it's almost always because of the method used to collect it. The goal isn't necessarily to protect the information, so much as the means by which they got that information. I can't speak to the current situation, but that's usually the case with classification. It doesn't then matter if that's information about the next terrorist attack, or about what kind of toilet paper Abu Bad Guy prefers because it doesn't chafe his backside.

      Having the Japanese Navy know that we're aware they plan to attack Midway is bad, but having them realize that means we're reading their coded transmissions is far, far worse. It means they'll change their codes, and we can't read them any more. If it was a human agent, it means that guy is probably going to get shot, or at the very least will have to run and won't be able to send any more reports.

    2. Re:Why can't we get actionable leaks. by DarkOx · · Score: 2

      Yes I think your points are lost on a lot of people, even the leakers.

      I not a big fan of leakers, unless like Snowden they can go a long way to demonstrating they tried very hard to work within the system first. Leaks of this type can be highly damaging to intelligence efforts and yet remain almost useless to the public. That Russia or any other sometimes or always hostile power might try and tamper with electronic voting: DUH!

      What I actually would find interesting is the the methods used to analyze and gather the intel. That is only way I as a citizen can make any decisions as to if those methods are justifiable/legal, if the quality of the report is worth anything or if as Putin says any child can make traffic appear behind an IP in any country they way. Other state actors probably have big pieces of the puzzle, they know for example if they really were involved or not. A leak like this for them is enough to assess if their methods and resources might be compromised and likely enough to give them some insights as to what specific ones.

      So the damage is done and is real. On the other-hand as far as I am concerned not privy to all kinds of other context, all i have here is some speculation by analyst who could be completely terrible at his job. So please if you going to actually leak something for heavens sake leak the real evidence! There are plenty of experts who will be able to verify it and reach the same conclusions if they are valid as the agencies can. Nobody trusts the agencies, if you expect people to do anything give us hard facts.

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    3. Re: Why can't we get actionable leaks. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Let me see if I understand...

      You want the president to make more mistakes?

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    4. Re: Why can't we get actionable leaks. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      If the president is doing something wrong, then I would like him to make mistakes so we know about it so we can take actionable corrective actions against it.

      I want a president who will work for my country and handle the big picture problems, even if I disagree with the answer. With Trump, he is just trying to appease his ego. Ignoring the big picture and putting us in risk.

      This type of personally in my experience will tend to screw up at some point, and either we let him get away from it, or confront it. A real leak with useful information will make sure we have enough info to do something about it.
       

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    5. Re: Why can't we get actionable leaks. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      That doesn't jibe well, with the last paragraph of your first post. You stated that you believe we'd be better off if we enabled him to make mistakes, seemingly so that you can catch him making mistakes - without regards to the outcome of those mistakes.

      I am not sure what kind of person thinks like that, honestly.

      To put it out there, I dislike Trump - a great deal. However, I kinda hope he does well as president. I don't actually want him to make mistakes. Ideally, he'll be a great president and continue to move us forward, as a country. He probably won't, but I sure as hell don't actively cheer, nor want, him to make mistakes just so I can say, 'I told you so.'

      I am not one for moralizing, at least not often, but this is an invitation to do some introspection. Of course, you're also welcome to ignore my post. We can also just assume you worded it poorly, though I'm sort of disheartened by the thought process behind it more than I am the content.

      Pretty much the last thing I want is for Trump to make even bigger, or more numerous, mistakes. That might be good for scoring political points, but we still have to live with the consequences.

      Meh... It's not that important, I guess. I just figured I'd call it to your attention.

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    6. Re:Why can't we get actionable leaks. by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

      I not a big fan of leakers, unless like Snowden they can go a long way to demonstrating they tried very hard to work within the system first.

      And just as important, leak something that's going to stay secret, like corruption, or US agencies violating the law. The whole point of Snowden's data dump was to reveal that the NSA was illegally collecting information on Americans, for policy rationales they did not have a legal right to institute.

      The NSA was not going to keep secret that the Russians tried to hack American vote gathering machines. She bought herself a 15 year prison sentence for revealing nothing. I'm still trying to figure out whether the reporter should be castigated for enabling their naive source to destroy their life just to get a byline that was going to be printed shortly before Trump gets impeached.

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    7. Re:Why can't we get actionable leaks. by AF_Cheddar_Head · · Score: 1

      Close but no cigar.

      Information often (maybe too often) carries the classification, for example war plans. The vast amount of Secret material is information.

      Sources and Methods Information (SAMI) often carries a higher classification (Top Secret and SCI). You are correct that the SAMI stuff is the stuff that causes real long lasting damage if disclosed.

    8. Re:Why can't we get actionable leaks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This argument seems to make sense, but there is a hole that nobody addresses:
      why is the pattern in the past that these classififed documents stay classified for 50+ years?
      Either if human intel or technological - the need to stay classified should fade in about 10 years.
      The human source will have moved away, and technology moves at least that fast.

    9. Re:Why can't we get actionable leaks. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      That's what was learned after the war; the Japanese weren't changing the codes, and they did know we'd cracked them. Because it would imply the emperor wasn't a God, or something like that. So they just swept the problem under the rug and sailed right into an honorable death.

      The Germans are a much better example to make your point using WWII.

    10. Re: Why can't we get actionable leaks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow... You're batshit fucking insane.

  9. Re:SJW crime spree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She tweeted "...being white is terrorism".

    Why do they give race-haters security clearance? Oh, yeah, it was the Obama Administration.

    You're adorable.

  10. Which Agency? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Winner, a contractor with Pluribus International Corporation, began working for a government agency based in Georgia in February.

    Most agencies have offices all over the country, but which one is based in Georgia, other than the CDC? If this contractor was working for the CDC why would he have access to cyberhacking information? Cover?
     

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    1. Re:Which Agency? by jittles · · Score: 3, Informative

      Winner, a contractor with Pluribus International Corporation, began working for a government agency based in Georgia in February.

      Most agencies have offices all over the country, but which one is based in Georgia, other than the CDC? If this contractor was working for the CDC why would he have access to cyberhacking information? Cover?

      It's a poorly worded sentence. The agency in question is the NSA and the company, Pluribus International, is based out of Georgia. Or at least the leaker was. The article I read this morning made it clear that it was an NSA document that was leaked, the NSA that tracked the leak down, and an NSA system was used to find the document to begin with.

    2. Re:Which Agency? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      based out of Georgia

      Why does "out of" mean "in"?

    3. Re:Which Agency? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't. It means "from". The phrase assumes that you, the reader, are not in or from the same region as the subject so they let you know because some people give a shit about that.

  11. Here is how this will play out by p51d007 · · Score: 0

    Since she's a huge lib, and the SECURE info was pertaining to Trump...she is a hero. If she was a huge conservative, and the SECURE info was pertaining to (insert liberal president or candidate) she would be considered a traitor in the eyes of the media.

    1. Re: Here is how this will play out by KGIII · · Score: 2

      I wish I had a crystal ball. :-(

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  12. Election rigging leaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    You got leaks about the DNC rigging a primary. About them giving debate questions to a candidate before the debate, along with coordination with news outlets to smear Sanders the proper amount before primaries.

    What more could you want than outright organized election rigging?

  13. Ultimate Nominative determinism failure by Martin+S. · · Score: 1

    "Reality Winner" perhaps she considered this was her ace up her sleeve.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...

  14. Looks like reality ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is in for a check

    1. Re:Looks like reality ... by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

      Damn, there was no reason to go anonymous for that bon mot.

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  15. So, a whistleblower, not a "deep state" anything by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When the leak came out the usual suspects trotted out the usual nonsense:

    1. The NSA were clearly lying and these were bogus because Russia is our friend
    2. This is obviously "the deep state" (ie management of the NSA, CIA, etc) trying to undermine Cheeto Mussolini with fake news. Sad!

    ...until Sessions announced he'd found the leaker and was pressing charges. And then, all of a sudden, we get the usual right-wing "background check" of the leaker, and she's an "SJW" (bad! Boo!) according to them, and she's a contractor, according to Sessions. The latter is actually the important bit, though it's amusing if she's also the leftyish owner of the Twitter account identified by the rightosphere.

    What did the campaign against Winners prove? The docs are the real deal. The NSA does, actually, genuinely believe that the Russian state was actively trying to interfere with the election. They're not making that up. They have evidence - they're not sharing it with you but they have it. They're not trying to undermine anyone, no matter how awful they are. Hell, they're still trying to keep this stuff secret. They're actually trying to protect Trump from negative publicity.

    As for Winners, the jokes - based upon her name - write themselves. But yes, she's the real deal. Sessions is confirming she leaked real NSA documents. The rightosphere is confirming she's not some high level intelligence official trying to orchestrate a coup. The NSA documents are legit: Russia interfered with the election.

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  16. Re:Damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have an odd interpretation of "drop-dead gorgeous". More like "barely-noticeable average". You need to get out more.

  17. Re:Damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    drop-dead gorgeous.

    You have very low standards

  18. Re:So, a whistleblower, not a "deep state" anythin by naubol · · Score: 4, Informative

    God, I have to scroll to the bottom to get to the one comment actually analyzing the situation.

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  19. Re:Damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not only is she a true patriot, she'd drop-dead gorgeous. I'd eat the corn out of her shit.

    THAT plain jane is what you label drop-dead gorgeous?

    Guess all of us have our preferred flavors of women. Enjoy your corn.

  20. Re:SJW crime spree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks!

  21. The document had hidden identifying information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Color printers use a pattern of tiny yellow dots to embed an almost invisible code with the printer serial number and the date and time in every printed document. The Intercept handed over a scan of the document to the NSA for redaction with the code still intact. It is also in the published document. The EFF has the technical details.

    1. Re:The document had hidden identifying information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And now we know how to make fake documents that look real.

    2. Re:The document had hidden identifying information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not how they caught her.

    3. Re:The document had hidden identifying information by PPH · · Score: 1

      I read the EFF article cited but I could not see any yellow dots in their photos. I guess I must have coughed too much coffee on my monitor reading Slashdot.

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  22. Looks like The Intercept may have outed her by Zocalo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While the means might be old news to some, it appears that neither Reality Winner nor The Intercept was sufficiently aware of hardcoded printer tracking techology, or just didn't think to check for it and take preventative steps. I can kind of understand that from Winner who might have just acted on the spur of an opportunistic moment, but The Intercept really ought to have known better and cleaned up the PDFs before publishing, and that may well deter people from leaking to The Intercept in future if they're not confident in their own ability to properly sanitise the data.

    Going to be interesting to see how The Intercept tries to make up for their part in her now almost certainly ruined life...

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    1. Re: Looks like The Intercept may have outed her by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      The Intercept didn't ruin her life. She did.

      This was not Snowden or Manning style whistle blowing. This was political activism that put our spies at risk of murder, to score points for her team.

      This cunt needs to hang.

    2. Re: Looks like The Intercept may have outed her by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Snowden and Manning should be executed for treason.

    3. Re:Looks like The Intercept may have outed her by JeffOwl · · Score: 4, Informative

      The article doesn't say that's how they found her. They say that an audit showed six people printed the doc. That is from the IT system logs. Of those six, only one had email correspondence with that particular media outlet. If I have read the story correctly that's how they narrowed it down. When questioned she admitted it. The fact that she worked for the NSA (even as a contractor) and used email to talk to reporters is baffling.

    4. Re: Looks like The Intercept may have outed her by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      " This was political activism " She leaked evidence that Russia hacked the election and lending credibility to the fact that Trump is a traitor.

      It's beyond partisanship, unless a worthless partisan faggot like you would like to live IN RUSSIA. So? Get packing, packer.

      TRUMP should hang. Republicans SHOULD want to string him up for what he did, IF they had ANY BALLS OR BACKBONE OR INTELLECT WHATSOEVER.

      But they're too busy being precious partisan snowflakes too afraid to admit they've hitched their wagon to a treasonous wanna-be dictator with a tiny dick.

    5. Re: Looks like The Intercept may have outed her by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Snowden is a whistle blower. Manning is a fruit.

    6. Re:Looks like The Intercept may have outed her by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They also found that because of her job duties, she had no business accessing the document or the security clearance to do so. There were also logged searches from her computer for such documents that contained info regarding Russian election meddling.

    7. Re: Looks like The Intercept may have outed her by Zocalo · · Score: 1

      The Intercept didn't ruin her life. She did.

      She's 100% responsible for deciding to leak information to serve her agenda, sure - but that wasn't my point. Whether she'd currently be on the hook for it - or ever would be, for that matter - is entirely on The Intercept's sloppy handing of the data they were provided. Imagine if the situation were reversed and a document was provided to the US as evidence of a foreign power's activities and then released to the media with being properly sanitised for some reason. Whoops! The US just lost an asset in a foreign government because of their incompetence, not to mention that others considering similar actions will probably think twice in future, but by your rationale that's entirely on the asset for becoming a US spy in the first place.

      For better or worse, The Intercept screwed up here, and if they hope to be be a recipient of leaks in future, regardless of the subject matter and its origin, then they're going to have to be seen to be doing all they can to protect their now blown source.

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    8. Re:Looks like The Intercept may have outed her by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that she worked for the NSA (even as a contractor) and used email to talk to reporters is baffling.

      It doesn't surprise me that someone leaking information under the present conditions of high scrutiny isn't very smart to begin with. It also doesn't surprise me that a far left liberal hasn't thought things through.

    9. Re: Looks like The Intercept may have outed her by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Snowden is a whistle blower. Manning is a fruit.

      It's spelled Mango

    10. Re: Looks like The Intercept may have outed her by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only 6 people had accessed the document. I doubt those precautions would have slowed investigations much.

    11. Re: Looks like The Intercept may have outed her by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      This was not Snowden or Manning style whistle blowing.

      Because the NSA sitting on evidence of Russian hacking during the US election is totally not pertinent to the current political climate. /derp

      In fact, this allegedly shows that the Russian meddling was about phishing at the county level, not about involvement with the Trump campaign, so unless you want to claim that this Sanders supporter was supporting Trump to get back at Clinton, this is very poor political activism for "her side".

      Once again, this is a low-level intelligence employee blowing the whistle on the NSA for concealing critically important information from The People (and that concealing is what is politically motivated).

      The fact that she was politically active does not show that this action was partisan. Smearing the messenger is Alinsky 101, though - a typical leftist tactic.

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    12. Re: Looks like The Intercept may have outed her by eaglesrule · · Score: 2

      We want good, obedient, flag waving patriotic subjects, not informed citizens. Whistleblowers are the worst kind of traitors.

    13. Re: Looks like The Intercept may have outed her by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whistleblowing means revealing a CRIME. The NSA having the information that Russia sent malware emails to election officials does not implicate a crime. It is not fraud, waste, or abuse. There is absolutely NOTHING here that would qualifer her for 'whistleblower' status. Period.

      She chose to leak for her own personal hatred and political beliefs. THAT is a crime, and she will be doing 10 years in Federal Prison for it.

  23. Re:So, a whistleblower, not a "deep state" anythin by NetNed · · Score: 1

    So wait, if Russia is NOT our friends AND they tried to interfere in our election, why would we, or more correctly the NSA, not want to undermine them? So we have a leaker that got caught the very day the article is published, her name is Reality Winners or all names, and even though she has had ALL KINDS of pro Sanders/Anti-Trump tweets and social media posts that were easily found she was still allowed to hold top secret security clearance. Who would ever doubt this unbelievable string of events??

  24. Didn't exactly cover her tracks by DrXym · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Printing out a document on an NSA printer, scanning that print out and releasing it to a shady Russian-front site. Now that's just dumb. Inkjets (not only ones in NSA buildings) can embed codes in their printouts and you'd better believe the NSA is going to have logs of who printed out what and when.

    I guess we can thank her for confirming the NSA discovered Russian interference but most reasonable people would have known that already even if they weren't privy to the details. She'll probably end up in prison for 5-10 years over this.

    1. Re:Didn't exactly cover her tracks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >I was skeptical of Russian hacking but now, at least the NSA says it really happened

      Have you read the doc? It's just like the briefs that the DHS and CIA published awhile back - full of qualifiers and noticeably absent of any corroborating raw intel. It an analysis of how the NSA thinks the Russians may have done it without offering any hard proof that they did.

      Given everything that the public knows about NSA methods exposed by the Snowden leaks, and how the administration is leaking like a sieve, there would be at least one report with accompanying raw intel to support its conclusion that would make its way to a media out eager to prove Russian election meddling. But there isn't one.

      So far, all that's leaked from DHS, CIA, and now the NSA, are these easily digestible fancy briefs that have pretty graphics and such and lot of qualified allegations.

    2. Re:Didn't exactly cover her tracks by Kohath · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Seems like printers are a lot more secure and their output a lot more traceable than voting machines.

    3. Re:Didn't exactly cover her tracks by NetNed · · Score: 1

      Exactly. It's basically the NSA's hypothetical on how it could have been done and even uses "could have" and "possibly". In the light of all that's happened going bad to even Bradly/Chelsea Manning, how can anyone take any agencies "reports" at face value?

    4. Re:Didn't exactly cover her tracks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...most reasonable people would have known that already even if they weren't privy to the details.

      This is the only primary source account of Russian meddling that has been published.

      Prior to this, it's just been accusations in the press from "sources", Trump's rants, Putin saying there wasn't any hacking and then there might have been, the FBI only saying there's an investigation ...

      But until now, actual evidence? Nope.

      I was skeptical of Russian hacking but now, at least the NSA says it really happened. Now, it's a question of how much damage was done and what can be done about it in the future.

      I agree!

    5. Re:Didn't exactly cover her tracks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because anonymous printing for intelligence agency is a thing just like anonymous voting. Boss Tweed would like a word with you and your voting record.

    6. Re:Didn't exactly cover her tracks by hey! · · Score: 1

      People here have been claiming the document fake as late as this morning. Charging the leaker in this case effectively verifies the document's authenticity.

      This is one of the reason leakers are so seldom prosecuted. Going after them does more political damage than the leak itself. In attempting to protect itself from unflattering revelations, the administration has endorsed a document that, for the first time, raises a serious question about its legitimacy.

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    7. Re: Didn't exactly cover her tracks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fuck are you talking about, dipshit?

      Nobody has claimed the document is fake, and the document said nothing about any of the stupid shit you just spewed. Read the fucking article, you imbecile.

    8. Re: Didn't exactly cover her tracks by hey! · · Score: 1

      Well, if you read my post you'd have known I was responding to people here who claim they were fake.

      Nor did I imply document to said anything about how past leakers were treated.

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  25. Re: Damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ugh what? She's built like a shithouse. Fucking disgusting.

    At least when she gets us to pay for the sex change he will be passing, unlike Bradley.

  26. Overdue by onyxruby · · Score: 1

    There have been a large number of politically motivated leaks lately. At one point things got so bad the Brits publicly declared they wouldn't share intel anymore.

    So far this is the first of these leaks to actually result in an arrest. Several well known leaks came when only a small handful of high level people could have gotten the data to begin with. The FBI needs to arrest all of the people doing the leaking, not just low level contractors. Perhaps this arrest is just the first in series, can it really be that hard to track down these leaks?

    1. Re: Overdue by KGIII · · Score: 2

      Aren't all intelligence leaks politically motivated?

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    2. Re: Overdue by onyxruby · · Score: 2

      Some are motivated by greed - Aldrich Ames is one such example.

    3. Re:Overdue by Ritz_Just_Ritz · · Score: 1

      Indeed. If they want to engage in criminal activity in support of their pet political aims, they'll have to accept the consequences if/when caught.

    4. Re: Overdue by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Valid point, point conceded.

      I'm still (pretty) sure that the majority are politically motivated. From Snowden to Manning, they seem to usually be motivated by politics. Ames may have also had a political component, IIRC. Though, as you say, his primary motivation was financial. It's been a while since I've read the specifics, so I'm not sure if I'm misremembering him also having a political motivation.

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    5. Re:Overdue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The FBI search warrant application mentioned that Winner took a trip to Belize in May, and judging from some of the pictures found on her social media accounts, it looks like it was a vacation trip. But I'm wondering if she met with anyone down there.

    6. Re:Overdue by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      Not if it's done by a someone who is stupid enough to print it out on their printer, and then forward it almost straight away to a news agency.
      If you are a bit more careful, well then things get a lot more difficult to trace.

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    7. Re:Overdue by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      The FBI search warrant application mentioned that Winner took a trip to Belize in May, and judging from some of the pictures found on her social media accounts, it looks like it was a vacation trip. But I'm wondering if she met with anyone down there.

      Status update: Spying lol

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    8. Re:Overdue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't think the FBI would question her about her trip? She was out of country from May 27 to May 29. Kind of a short vacation don't ya think? Also Belize has no extradition treaty with the US.

    9. Re: Overdue by ageoffri · · Score: 1

      Nope, MICE is the most common set, though some argue for a slightly different set that is similar: Money Ideology Compromise Coercion

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    10. Re: Overdue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some are compromised in other ways - pictures with a hooker, is the classic example. Once the bad guys have that, then they can coerce you to give up all kinds of stuff that you might not otherwise.

    11. Re:Overdue by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      So far this is the first of these leaks to actually result in an arrest. Several well known leaks came when only a small handful of high level people could have gotten the data to begin with. The FBI needs to arrest all of the people doing the leaking, not just low level contractors. Perhaps this arrest is just the first in series, can it really be that hard to track down these leaks?

      Probably a lot more harder than this one. She looked at the document, printed it out, then apparently emailed the people who got it, and when questioned, admitted to doing it. I figure the intelligence industry is probably more secure than the healthcare industry, and the healthcare industry has records of who looked at what and everybody know it. Those high level leakers probably took steps to not do stupid things to begin with that would immediately lead back to them. If they were one of many people to look at the leaked data, it was part of their job to look at that data, transcribed the info by hand or from memory, and took a little bit of caution in sending it to who they leaked it to, there can be little to no evidence as to who did it.

    12. Re: Overdue by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I'd think that Ideology is certainly political. The latter two *may* also be political. I've not heard of anyone doing it, just for money, in ages. I may have missed someone, but I can't think of any recent examples.

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    13. Re: Overdue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Snowden and Manning were trying to blow the whistle on US government corruption.

      This horse-faced cunt published intelligence we have on the Russians. It exposed no US corruption. Her motivation was to damage and kill Americans. She must hang.

  27. Re:So, a whistleblower, not a "deep state" anythin by NetNed · · Score: 1

    Add to that the report being full of "could have" "might have" and "possibility".

    It's funny. It was proven that the CIA has a 60 million dollar deal with the Washington Post to allow it to feed stories yet every time a report or leak comes out people that 10 years ago would never trust this crap claim it's "all legit" in an almost "move along, nothing to see here" kind of manner.

  28. Re:So, a whistleblower, not a "deep state" anythin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't it amazing how only the documents that contain no evidence are leaked. I'm sure you can rationalize that as well.

  29. Re:So, a whistleblower, not a "deep state" anythin by Kohath · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The only facts are
    - for some stupid reason, we have electronic voting machines
    - they may be vulnerable to hacking
    - some hackers tried to hack them, including Russians

    So what? If your government uses electronic voting machines, expect stories about them getting hacked from time to time.

  30. Jail the messenger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So much confidence in the FBI . . .

    1. Re:Jail the messenger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the movie "Fletch". "Thank God, the... police."

  31. Re:So, a whistleblower, not a "deep state" anythin by Kierthos · · Score: 1

    Because the NSA is trying to protect the source(s) of their information? That's the only thing that makes sense to me. Trump's spent a bit of time already shitting on our intelligence community, so I really doubt they're holding back this information in loyalty to him.

    But protecting one or more sources who got us that information? I can see that. Plus, we already have the knowledge that Trump can't really be trusted with this sort of information, because it's possible he could blab it to whoever.

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  32. The amount of work by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the government will put into adding credibility into a story is amazing.

    Like I said in a different thread:

    After what happened with Snowden, what do you think the odds are that a contractor can both obtain and distribute a NSA document at all without anyone from the NSA noticing ?

    I have serious doubts about it and my initial thoughts are this is just the Government pushing the Evil Russians narrative vs the home grown ( DNC ) efforts to skew the election.

    Because the former is expected and the latter undermines the trust in the overall US election process. Can't have that now can we ? Bad things happen in armed countries when the populace loses faith in the election systems.

    Russia just happens to be a convenient scapegoat for anything that's wrong these days.

    Even IF the NSA verifies the document and shows you the evidence they have, after the bullshit they have pulled recently with their surveillance programs, would you trust any of it ?

    Dear NSA: That's the problem when you erode / destroy the public trust. When you have a real situation where you need folks to believe you, very few will.

    If any at all.

    1. Re:The amount of work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bad things happen in armed countries when the populace loses faith in the election systems.

      You can pick up your gun, but you'll still be a fat, incompetent, opiate dependent fuck without the self-control to do anything with it. Statistically speaking.

    2. Re:The amount of work by houghi · · Score: 1

      So you thought that it is/was not possible to influence elections? The US government thinks otherwise. And as somebody living in Europe, yes we know what happens if people are unhappy.

      You can't fool all the people all the time. It just take some time.

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    3. Re:The amount of work by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

      "After what happened with Snowden, what do you think the odds are that a contractor can both obtain and distribute a NSA document at all without anyone from the NSA noticing ?"

      You clearly don't know anything on the subject. Old rules are better enforced, New rules in place, but it is still reliance on humans, and they are imperfect.

      Finding the source after a leak is near trivial, which should be a deterrent. But stopping all leaks requires more watchers asking more questions, reviewing more logs, and not making any mistakes.

      In hindsight, she exceeded her need to know. Was that detected at the time? Did anyone challenge her? A talented linguist with clean background needs some additional validation for analysis, and someone makes a judgment call not to immediately jump to conclusions, as anyone in signals intelligence would be trained.

      Attack with rhetoric if you wish, but your ignorance is on full display.

    4. Re:The amount of work by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Bad things happen in armed countries when the populace loses faith in the election systems.

      The important point about a mass, armed uprising is that it is a mass uprising, not that it is armed.

      If you piss enough people off, it doesn't matter if they've only got bits of wood with nails in as weapons, you can't kill all of them.

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    5. Re:The amount of work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reality you construct to validate your world view is as fragile as your ego.

    6. Re:The amount of work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Dear NSA: That's the problem when you erode / destroy the public trust.

      That's the problem when you (gov) hire CONTRACTORS instead of loyal CAREER PROFESSIONALS who want to work in your department & have a actual interest in the job/mission.

      FTFY

      Why we have soooo many contractors is beyond me. The term beltway bandits didn't come from nothing you know.

    7. Re: The amount of work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why the fuck does a farsi linguist need to know about Russian spear fishing emails sent to local election officials?

      She should have been shot walking out of the door. Gross incompetence on the part of the NSA.

  33. No--- False Flag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They can create any "documents" they need to advance their" Russian election hacking narrative", including framing a poor shlub.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-05/nsa-leaker-called-trump-piece-shit-fan-bernie-sanders

    1. Re:No--- False Flag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They're not framing her, she admitted to printing the doc and mailing it to the Intercept report when the FBI arrested her. But I think the document was leaker bait, though.

    2. Re:No--- False Flag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Hire some politically left-leaning stooges that you know are inherently untrustworthy from the psyche profile (or their twitter feed).
      2. Give them access to a selection of files with some juicy looking, but crafted, documents that you actually WANT to leak
      3. Wait.
      4. Profit!

  34. What a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The notion of republicans standing for small government and democrats standing for big government is laughable. Here's why.

    Over the past century, American politics has been fully dominated by the republicans and democrats. But neither has dominated over the other; instead, they have shared in the domination of American politics roughly equally.

    Now, if one party stood for small government and the other big government, with both parties having roughly equal influence over American politics over the past century, then naturally, one could expect the end result to be somewhere in the middle. But it's clearly not. In fact, over the past century, the American government has grown exponentially by nearly all measures: depth, breadth, scope, revenue, and power over the people. We are talking about what is now the largest, most expensive, most powerful government AND world empire in human history, with military presence in over 150 countries.

    How in the world could that happen, if one of the two dominant parties was actively working against the push for bigger government?

    Answer: they never were, and the whole story is a lie.

    1. Re:What a joke by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      Republicans are generally pro smaller government except when it comes to military. In a post 9-11 world, that balance is all out of whack.

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  35. Reality Leigh Winner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Millennial Alert!!!

  36. Re: So, a whistleblower, not a "deep state" anythi by KGIII · · Score: 1

    As head of the executive, he (theoretically) has access to all classified material. He also can, again theoretically, declassify anything he wants. I say theoretical because of logistics and political feasibility.

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  37. WhoopDeDoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The Russians, or more likely, someone from Russia, tried to hack a company in the US. Wow, like we didn't already know that hackers from every country on earth are trying to hack computers owned by companies in every country on earth. I was born at night, but not last night.

  38. His first mistake was.. by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

    Not being a politician. (They are immune to persecution.)

    1. Re:His first mistake was.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who "he"? And I think we persecute politicians all the time, we mock them relentlessly.

      So, any more things you want to be wrong about?

  39. Re:So, a whistleblower, not a "deep state" anythin by houghi · · Score: 1

    ...until Sessions announced he'd found the leaker and was pressing charges. And then, all of a sudden, we get the usual right-wing "background check"

    If they do this for somebody so low on the ladder, can you imagine the witch hunt they would do if it where somebody much higher up who spilled secret information to foreign states that are not really allies? What? They don't? How do you spell hypocrite again??

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  40. Obama: Internet tough guy by RoccamOccam · · Score: 1
    In December 2016 Obama stated:

    And so in early September when I saw President Putin in China, I felt that the most effective way to ensure that that did not happen was to talk to him directly and tell him to cut it out, there were going to be some serious consequences if he did not.

    And in fact, we did not see further tampering of the election process. But the leaks through Wikileaks had already occurred.

    So when I look back in terms of how we handled it, I think we handled it the way it should have been handled. We allowed law enforcement and the intelligence community to do its job without political influence.

    So, at the time that Obama made these comments, the NSA had evidence that Russia was continuing with hacking efforts. Tough guy!

  41. At least, it is a coherent accusation by mi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How about, "prove it bitch?"

    At least, the GP is offering a coherent accusation .

    Which means, he is one step ahead of the folks demanding "Trump investigation" and "Russian connection". Those not only have no proof, but can't even state the charge...

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    1. Re:At least, it is a coherent accusation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gross incompetence.

      He wanted it, he gets it.

    2. Re:At least, it is a coherent accusation by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      No, it's not coherent; it's bullsh*t, thrown in our face.

    3. Re:At least, it is a coherent accusation by mi · · Score: 1

      It is not proven, but it is perfectly plausible — does not contradict anything we already know. We know, the Democratic Party has local operatives in major cities — certainly those, where the local government is Democrat-dominated — who are ready, indeed enthusiastic about inciting riots and commit other crimes to "win this motherfucker".

      Why is it such an outrageous stretch to suspect, there are a few people, who are willing to commit actual murder — or pay a cynical someone for same — for the Greater Good(TM)? And we do know, that killing President would be considered Ok — what's so unbelievable about it seeming Ok to kill a lowly DNC-staffer, if he is deemed a traitor to the Progressive cause?

      We also know, the very "heroine" of this story is afraid of being "disappeared" — despite being in government's custody. Is it because she would've approved of such "disappearance" of her political opponents? And if she can be afraid of being killed by government employees, why is it so unbelievable, that a Party's operative could kill someone on a street in bad neighborhood — political assassination masked as a botched robbery?

      Quite coherent...

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    4. Re:At least, it is a coherent accusation by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Hi mi, don't know what third world cesspool you're from. But telling your leader he's full of shit is a requirement to be a citizen in America. Try it, got up to Putin and say he's full of shit. Go up to any other leader that got there by being faster with a gun and say, "Your full of shit." I'll catch their response on CNN. Come to the Dark Side mi, we have Toasters and Cookies.

    5. Re:At least, it is a coherent accusation by mi · · Score: 1

      But telling your leader he's full of shit is a requirement to be a citizen in America.

      If he really is full of shit, it certainly is a duty of the rest of us to say so — unless he is Black or some other minority, of course. But that's off-topic.

      Try it, got up to Putin

      Even further off-topic.

      "Your full of shit."

      You are doing this on purpose, aren't you? Having lost on substance, you are just posting this grammar-challenged nonsense to annoy me? I think, we are done here...

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  42. Re: So, a whistleblower, not a "deep state" anythi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In your mind there are no laws as long as the results damage the presidency of the USA.

  43. No claim that voting machines were hacked by RoccamOccam · · Score: 4, Interesting
    From The Hill:

    The report does not claim that voting machines were hacked, a once-popular post-election theory from Democrats, nor does it state whether the information pertaining to the voting systems could be used to hack those systems.

    As opined by Matt Vespa> , "still, 55 percent of Democrats think that Russia messed with the vote totals to get Trump elected. The Left has gone insane. Like the rest of the Russian collusion drama, there is no evidence that vote tallies were tampered with by a foreign intelligence service."

    1. Re:No claim that voting machines were hacked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe the right will accept Russian interference claims when the left accepts domestic interference claims.

      The ten million votes added by the Russians were offset by the ten million votes added by our undocumented long term visitors.

    2. Re:No claim that voting machines were hacked by hey! · · Score: 1

      The standard argument against the possibility of hacking an American is that it's impossible given the decentralized nature of American elections. But the people making this argument aren't hackers, and they don't understand how hackers think. They seem to believe that a hacker would try to brute force hack every election district in America.

      If *you* were going to try to hack the US elections, would you do it that way?

      I know what I'd do: I'd probe the system looking for vulnerable installations in swing states where the vote was going to be close. And I'd be pretty confident of finding them, given enough time, because of the decentralized nature of American elections. The average person is totally shit at information security, and half of all people are below average.

      What this document reveals is that the Russians were doing exactly what I would have done: they were probing for vulnerabilities. Evidently the NSA at the time of drafting had found no evidence of success. Given that the probing was taking place days before the election (so far as we know), it's quite possible that the Russians were too late. On the other hand, it's not exactly trivial to detect the operations of a hacker who possesses "national means", even if you possess national means of your own.

      You can call it "insane" or "drama" if you like, but that's an appeal to the stone argument. The objective assessment of this news is that while the sky has not definitively fallen, something very serious has taken place.

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    3. Re:No claim that voting machines were hacked by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      "The Left has gone insane".

      Each side learns from each other, and the strategies and tactics that are proven to work in one election cycle have a tendency to be used by the opposition parties in subsequent election cycles. We are now in the 2018-2020 cycle.

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  44. Re:So, a whistleblower, not a "deep state" anythin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > the jokes - based upon her name - write themselves

    Given that her name was Sara, and she changed it to "Reality", I'd say she damned well invited those jokes herself.

  45. Fake news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NSA wins twice:

    1. Get the "Russia hacked the election" story out there. Greenwald said, "The difference between reporting based on a) anonymous, evidence-free claims & b) leaked documents, should be too obvious to have to explain". NSA probably thought, "you want leaked documents? We'll get you leaked documents. :-) " Thanks to the epiphany he provided, leaks will become the primary propaganda tool.

    2. Shut down the leaks. The primary strategy here is always to find and severely punish leakers as a warning to future prospective leakers. They've just executed that exercise while losing no actual secret information.

    win/win.

  46. Not Whistleblower... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is no evidence of wrongdoing in the NSA in this document, thus, not whistleblower.

    Also mentioned in the document is that there is ZERO EVIDENCE that the Russians actions successful in interfering with the election, only that they tried.

    We tried and succeeded in interfering with other countries elections.

  47. Re:So, a whistleblower, not a "deep state" anythin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While you are right, and the documents are real - take a close look at them. What do they prove?
    They show there was a phishing attack by the Russians against some election officials.
    It does not show:
    - any officials were actually dumb enough to fall for it.
    - any voting machines were infected (you don't think they read their emails on the machines that tally votes, do you?)
    - any votes were manipulated.

    As such, all we can really conclude is that
    - this attack was not serious
    - this document is pretty worthless and has no business being classified, let alone "top secret"

    Right now, my sympathies go out to Ms. Reality Leigh Winner and her family and the crap she's now going to through as pompous politicians and bureaucrats try to make a mountain out of this molehill. What she did was not wise, but they'll try to come down on her like a ton of bricks to make an example out of her (and no one deserves to "be made example of" - that's not how our justice system is supposed to work [i.e. be blind]). Poor girl.

  48. Random name generator by pr0t0 · · Score: 1

    It looks like the NSA's fall-guy random name generator had a bit of a misfire.

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    1. Re:Random name generator by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      Hell, I dunno...."Reality Winner", if that's not the winner of the Snowflake of The Year award, I dunno what could be.

      I"ll bet the helicopter parents are *still* hovering just outside her door.

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    2. Re:Random name generator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not wrong. Worse, it is society in general that shields modern kids from the reality of their actions... not even the individual parents to blame, apart from not standing up to society.

  49. Re:So, a whistleblower, not a "deep state" anythin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The debate must then be how to punish those who have wronged us and how to better protect ourselves and our elections. But this isn't a conversation the Right seems intent on having. They'd rather vilify the leaker and move on. People are trying to undermine our elections. Why don't they think this is serious? I'll tell you why. It's only when they start losing elections that it's a problem. This is the party that mastered the gerrymander, of politicians choosing voters and not the other way around. This is the party that has naked intent on destroying the cogs of government, to the detriment of all Americans. This is the party where party first is an insult that stings because it's fucking true.

  50. Re:So, a whistleblower, not a "deep state" anythin by AF_Cheddar_Head · · Score: 1

    What does having "ALL KINDS of pro Sanders/Anti-Trump tweets and social media posts" have to do with being able to have a TS clearance?

    I sure hope we NEVER start basing security clearances on an individuals legitimate political beliefs because that would be what "McCarthyism" was all about.

  51. Re:So, a whistleblower, not a "deep state" anythin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is this news? Do you have any idea how many times the US and UN have actually rigged elections? As well as influence and medle? You think Karzi is that popular? Iraq? We even try to interfere in Iranian elections. You act like we discovered electricity. People that have their dumbass brain convince there's going to be an impeachment are fucking insane. That would require all the evidence of the shit we've done in other countries to come to light. It's never going to happen. There is no interest in impeaching the president. If he gets impeached then Pence becomes the president. If he does an amazing job he will get reelected. The political parties are more concerned with making the other side look bad then looking out for America's best interest. They would rather this guy stay in office than replacing with somebody competent if it means losing the next election. You

  52. Re:So, a whistleblower, not a "deep state" anythin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Not a whistleblower. A whistleblower is clearly defined and must involve illegal activity, corruption, waste,fraud, or abuse. This classified document does not indicate anything other than some hackers, who are suspected to be Russian, made an attempt to compromise the electronic voting machines. You get no whistleblower protection's releasing this classified document. Also it is been well-established that contractors are not entitled to whistleblower protection. When Snowden blew the whistle on illegal NSA activity, he was whistleblowing but still not protected since he was a private contractor. Releasing a classified document like this is subject to espionage charges

  53. Re: Damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    built like a shithouse? Sure, I'd pay good money to press my lips against her turd cutter while her delicious shit slides down my eager gullet.

  54. Could not happen to a nicer girl... by mi · · Score: 1

    The vigilantes at InfoWars have dug up the following tweets from the accused:

    the most dangerous entry to this country was the orange fascist we let into the white house Because Trump is worse than Putin... I can't imagine having kids, i worry enough about the impact of #climatechange on my cats There are many Americans protesting US govt aggression towards Iran. If our Tangerine in Chief declares war, we stand with you! Because GOP are worse than nuclear-armed mullahs.

    How could she — after openly siding with the enemy and professing utter disrespect to the Commander in Chief — have received a Top Secret clearance?

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    1. Re:Could not happen to a nicer girl... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      after openly siding with the enemy and professing utter disrespect to the Commander in Chief

      Your spin is showing.

    2. Re:Could not happen to a nicer girl... by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      Disrespecting politicians, even the sitting president, doesn't factor into whether or not a person can be granted a clearance.

      Even siding with an 'enemy' on some issue or other doesn't matter all that much. You could actually publicly be a communist or an anarchist and support constitutional reforms to align it with those beliefs. The limiting factor is usually membership or real support for organizations that work to violently overthrow the US government.

      Other than that the main emphasis of a clearance investigation seems to revolve around whether or not someone could blackmail you. Trustworthiness and obeying the rule of law are factors as well, but of seemingly lesser concern.

    3. Re:Could not happen to a nicer girl... by mi · · Score: 1

      You could actually publicly be a communist or an anarchist [...]

      That's kind of sad — as if the Rosenbergs' case has not taught us any lessons...

      Other than that the main emphasis of a clearance investigation seems to revolve around whether or not someone could blackmail you.

      Yes, it makes perfect sense to check, whether an otherwise loyal citizen can be compelled into treason by an asshole... But one should still be even more suspicious of actual assholes — like our "heroine"...

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    4. Re:Could not happen to a nicer girl... by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      You could argue just the same that we should deny clearances to anyone that is or was opposed to the invasion of Iraq because of Lawrence Franklin, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....

      Or the same for anyone with a pro-Israel stance because of Jonathan Pollard, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....

      If we tried to limit clearances to just people that espoused the most American of American ideals, based on someone's arbitrary opinion, much of the military, DoD, State Department, and the various intelligence agencies would be gutted of people. Whatever would be left of those organizations would likely end up being hyper homogenized. That might sound appealing until you realize that your own personal belief on some subject probably isn't represented in those agencies and in fact makes you a subject of suspicion.

    5. Re:Could not happen to a nicer girl... by mi · · Score: 1

      You could argue just the same that we should deny clearances to anyone that is or was opposed to the invasion of Iraq

      Not quite. Opposing the invasion is one thing, promising to "stand with Iraq" — against the US — in case of any such invasion — is another...

      Same goes for the other examples — you don't have to agree with anyone's opinion, indeed, it is unclear, whose opinion it would be — but you must not be willing to sabotage your country's efforts...

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  55. Who killed Seth Rich? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is noise...who killed Seth Rich.

    The docs he leaked were not from Russia, but an insider leaker tired of the corruption.
    Not Russians.

  56. Re:So, a whistleblower, not a "deep state" anythin by SchroedingersCat · · Score: 1

    The leaked document could have been manufactured to out the leaker. It does not contain any evidence and the government is not confirming anything. There is not enough information to jump to any conclusions. The story is that they nabbed the perp. Anything beyond that is speculation.

  57. Re:So, a whistleblower, not a "deep state" anythin by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

    I sure hope we NEVER start basing security clearances on an individuals legitimate political beliefs because that would be what "McCarthyism" was all about.

    But...it can keep you out of Harvard....

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  58. Re:So, a whistleblower, not a "deep state" anythin by guacamole · · Score: 0

    The NSA documents are legit: Russia interfered with the election.

    Doh, the USA interfered with nearly every election in the post-Soviet space and rest of the post-Soviet block, including the Russian election of 1996 and 1993. USA's State Department, NGOs, and private individuals have pumped billions of USD in political aid to various political organizations in Georgia and Ukraine, resulting in three unconstitutional "revolutions" (more like coups) that replaced the current democratically elected administrations with rabid russophobic demagogues and pro-NATO forces. So please don't cry us a river about "russians interfered with the election."

    As for the leaked documents, those are extremely vile actions. I mean, we can be near _certain_ that intelligence agencies posses also a whole lot of internal classified reports saying "no, russians did not interfere or there is not sufficient evidence" or "who knows who did it". Somehow those documents are never leaked. Instead, we see on a weekly basis highly selective leaking of classified documents that designed primarily to get the the WH administration rather than deal with the Russian hooliganery.

    I guess, this is happening because Obama simply slapped that idiot Manning on her wrists instead of letting her rot in prison. I hope this "Winner" and the like actually receive and serve the sentence prescribed by the constitution.

  59. leave abortion out of "small government" by Sloppy · · Score: 2

    For me, "small government" means "Not restricting freedoms and rights." Like no laws against abortion.

    You're never going to persuade anyone on that. The choir will nod, and your opponents will glare at you.

    Pro-choice people see one person's rights at stake (the woman's) in an abortion decision. Since there is only one person, there is no possible conflict, and the common-sense policy is for government to stay the fuck out of it.

    Pro-life people see two people's rights at stake (the woman's rights and the fetus' rights) in direct conflict for the same resources. Any decision will result in some person's rights being infringed (and to a lethal degree, if the fetus loses). Even without government interference, someone is going to have a really bad day. Regardless of whether you want small government or big government, if you think a fetus is a person, you are probably going to want government involved, unless your "small government" is small to the point of total anarchy.

    It's not a disagreement about "small government." It's not even really a conservative/liberal issue (though perversely, many people do seem to appear to align a certain way, without explanation). It's simply a disagreement about whether or not the fetus is a person, and therefore has rights which can possibly be infringed. If it's a person, then government has to protect its rights. If it's not a person, then the government should be protecting other peoples' rights from being unnecessarily infringed in a misguided effort to protect something relatively important.

    Leave abortion out of the small government issue. It's a religious issue, unless we all somehow magically get to a consensus agreement on "what is a person?" so that we can objectively test/measure personhood instead of everyone just listening to their feelings (i.e. half-assed rarely-considered opinions). And, hint: we do not have that consensus yet. Not even close.

    Wanna fight for pro-choice? Help create that consensus. Get people to think about "what is a person?" and have fun with it, too. It's not just a question for abortion, but also for upcoming or theoretical things like AI, genetic engineering, aliens, etc. The more people work through the essense of personhood and think about why we protect peoples' rights, the more likely they'll develop more compassion while also finding little specs of goo to be unqualified.

    What is a person?

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    1. Re:leave abortion out of "small government" by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      Wanna fight for pro-choice? Help create that consensus. Get people to think about "what is a person?"

      I agree it's important to think about. However I disagree that a consensus is necessary, important, or even possible.

      Look at climate change. That's not something that's based on opinion of something undefinable like when does life begin, it's pretty basic chemistry and physics. A few charlatans have been paid off to say "Nah, it's not real." Everyone with an open mind and a basic understanding of the facts agrees it is a problem that must be dealt with. But uninformed voters root for their "team" and point to the charlatans, they have way too much political power, so we get nothing.

      You're telling me we should quit trying to demand abortion rights and try to get everyone on the same page first about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? Bullshit, you're either being lazy or disingenuous. It'll never happen. The pro-life crowd must be opposed with legislative force, screw their beliefs. This matter will be settled either when a critical mass of pro-lifers die out or when we figure out how to explant an unwanted embryo and keep it alive.

      Hell, the ruling party in the US clearly has an interest and no moral qualms about taking the vote away from minorities and women, see Kris Kobach's efforts. Rights need to be demanded and defended with force, not argued for.

    2. Re:leave abortion out of "small government" by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      A strong consensus could be achieved on abortion by limiting situations where legal abortion is legal, limiting the time frame with a health exception, and then making the parts in between that an enumerated right.

      That's the thing, it is over 70% agreement in the middle on the specifics, but the conversation is driven entirely be opposing fringe views. Same as every other issue in American politics.

    3. Re:leave abortion out of "small government" by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      You're telling me we should quit trying to demand abortion rights and try to get everyone on the same page first about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? .. The pro-life crowd must be opposed with legislative force, screw their beliefs.

      I'm not saying you shouldn't fight; I'm saying you should begin to fight to win, instead of continuing the futile, losing strategy, which BTW, looks like it was copied from the other team's playbook. Are you sure they don't know something about the battleground that you don't? It looks like you're accepting their invitation to fight on their terms.

      This matter will be settled either when a critical mass of pro-lifers die out

      I think that's an unreasonably optimistic view. From what I've seen, pro-life isn't an old-people thing. Religion is taught and people are still doing it, today. Their ranks are constantly replenished, and if your idea of a good fight is in the legislature rather than in peoples' heads, then it means you are doing nothing to counter their advantage.

      Look at climate change. .. uninformed voters root for their "team" and point to the charlatans, they have way too much political power

      Now, c'mon, I can tell you know exactly how to fight that one; you gave it away with the word "uninformed." You know what to do, and you probably already know that you're eventually going to win. You can try the same strategy with abortion. It's harder because it's about values instead of facts, but values can be taught too. What is a person?

      BTW, the ruling party in the US is the voters, really. We're just very easily manipulated, thanks to our intellectual apathy and cowardice. Arguing is exactly what is needed, so that people start voting better. Maybe you've just been arguing badly? I noticed your compelling "Bullshit, you're either being lazy or disingenuous" argument and .. if I'm going to practice what I'm trying to preach in this very paragraph .. let's just say that it revealed certain aspects of your personality which suggest you might be out-classed by most pro-lifers. But I don't think that means you shouldn't try! Practice makes perfect, after all.

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  60. Hang them high and often by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the NSA refuses to share info proving Putin interfered with the election with the courts, the government and the people of the U.S. I think we know who the traitors are.

  61. Re:So, a whistleblower, not a "deep state" anythin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a real job shareblue.

  62. Re:So, a whistleblower, not a "deep state" anythin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The doc's didn't say that at all, idiot.

    >Hell, they're still trying to keep this stuff secret

    yeah the leftist leakers and media are trying to protect trump

  63. Theory by OhSoLaMeow · · Score: 1

    In Theory, no one would steal documents from the NSA.

    In Reality...

    (rimshot)

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  64. Re:So, a whistleblower, not a "deep state" anythin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    by not having a system thats so obviously stupid like voting machines, you fix 99 percent of the fucking problems

    the problem is you dont want to fix those problems, because you expect to use them for your own benefint too as soon as you can, for gods sake, you cant even stop dead people from voting multiple times

    get a fucking clue

  65. Lock her up.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Give her 20 years to think about her ignorance. Too bad they can't get a two for one by locking up Hillary with her.

  66. Re:So, a whistleblower, not a "deep state" anythin by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

    Supporting one politician and opposing another is not the same thing as supporting rape and opposing racial equality. The former will NOT keep you out of Harvard. Only the latter.

  67. Sure. for a stevedore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No doubt she's the prettiest girl working the docks.

  68. NSA/CIA asleep at the wheel... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From cnn:

    "Reality Winner posted under a pseudonym, Sara Winners, but didn't seem concerned with concealing her identity, as she used a photo of herself as a profile picture and posted a selfie in February. She posted about leaks and regularly admonished the Trump administration, though her Twitter activity dropped off significantly after she began working for Pluribus in February. On Instagram, where she used the name @Reezlie, same as her Twitter handle, she mostly posted selfies from the gym or photos of food. On Twitter, she followed Edward Snowden, WikiLeaks, several accounts with links to the hacking collective, Anonymous, and several "alt" government agency accounts that became popular after Trump's inauguration. Many of the accounts claim to be run by agency employees unhappy with Trump."

    And she somehow got top secret clearance? Is this some kind of joke? If they couldn't have seen this coming, what can they see? Maybe they should contract cnn for their personnel screening.

  69. Re:Looks like She didn't know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are competent, every printed version will have SYNONYMS or "typos" for/in some words, that are DIFFERENT in every version that you print. The original version never gets shown to anyone. By looking which particular sequence of synonyms/typos is in the leaked version, you can easily identify which user account printed which leaked version by comparing the texts.

    That's why if you plan on leaking classified information, you should run it through a similar piece of software, to remove the synonym/typo tracking. And even then it can be in the sentence structure, paragraph size or whatever else there is in a text...

  70. Re:So, a whistleblower, not a "deep state" anythin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Publishing anti-Trump statements like swearing to oppose anything he does, to be the resistance, and calling him an evil fascist - and then volunteering to work in his administration? And not just in his administration, but inside the most secretive parts of it, where you get access to all sorts of information?

    Yeah, anyone with half a brain would be suspicious of activists that publicly declare that they hate someone, then go one to try to become one of the primary secret tools of the person...

  71. Reality Winner? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this a hoax?

  72. There is also the fact... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That for all the shit you can claim about Iran, they still haven't utilized the nuclear option yet, unlike the U.S.

    Now you could claim 'well, but they support Islam Extremists', to which I would reply: 'Taliban, ISIS, Kurds... Who are, all the extremists the U.S. has supported.'

    For some more fun, look up 'Michael Israel'.

    1. Re:There is also the fact... by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      And, if we'd actually invaded the Japanese Home Islands, far more people would have died. Using the bombs was just terrible - but so was the war. And if it was up to neighbors in the region, like Korea and China, I daresay Japan would have been melted to slag, based on previous actions.

    2. Re:There is also the fact... by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      Acutally that isn't true. Historically the weather on the exact days planned for the invasion of Japan would have sunk the US troop carriers and quite a few destroyers. That would have been a new kamikaze in the traditional sense of the typhoon that saved Japan from the Mongols. The other pathway if they had not surrendered would have been problematic as while the US had a third nuclear weapon almost ready, the remaining dozen planned were delayed for a year or so by production problems.

    3. Re:There is also the fact... by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      You can easily change days of invasion. I'm discussing the ground battle which would have ensued, and a nation who was brainwashed into believing dying for emporer was the best thing possible.

    4. Re: There is also the fact... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not how naval flotillas work. Hundreds of ships and aircraft can't be moved on short notice, certainly not far enough to escape damage. Reality has to deal with fuel and undeveloped and destroyed harbors.

  73. The amount of work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you republitards put into deflecting this back at the Democrats is amazing. trump won. Get over it!

  74. Re:So, a whistleblower, not a "deep state" anythin by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    Some do. We all used paper ballots last time. I think a lot of places went back to paper.
    Used to be we even got a receipt. The top of the form would split off and it had a number. In theory I could go back and find that exact ballot to make sure it really was counted. I haven't seen that since the 1990s.

  75. Re:So, a whistleblower, not a "deep state" anythin by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

    Supporting one politician and opposing another is not the same thing as supporting rape and opposing racial equality. The former will NOT keep you out of Harvard. Only the latter.

    So...telling racially or sexually insensitive jokes, or making comments on such (no action on either)...should keep you out of any institution?

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    Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
  76. Re:So, a whistleblower, not a "deep state" anythin by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

    My opinion of that is irrelevant to my point, which is that political affiliation doesn't matter when it comes to matriculating at Harvard. But if you must know, I would certainly count such things as a big mark against someone if I were deciding whether or not to bring them into an institution. In this case, Harvard has far more qualified applicants than they have opening. It shouldn't be a surprise that conduct counter to the values they stand for would be a deciding factor - there are plenty of people who are as qualified to attend but who aren't jerks.