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The Quirky Habits of Certified Science Geniuses (bbc.com)

dryriver shares a report from the BBC: Celebrated inventor and physicist Nikola Tesla swore by toe exercises -- every night, he'd repeatedly "squish" his toes, 100 times for each foot, according to the author Marc J Seifer. While it's not entirely clear exactly what that exercise involved, Tesla claimed it helped to stimulate his brain cells. The most prolific mathematician of the 20th Century, Paul Erdos, preferred a different kind of stimulant: amphetamine, which he used to fuel 20-hour number benders. When a friend bet him $500 that he couldn't stop for a month, he won but complained "You've set mathematics back a month." Newton, meanwhile, bragged about the benefits of celibacy. When he died in 1727, he had transformed our understanding of the natural world forever and left behind 10 million words of notes; he was also, by all accounts, still a virgin (Tesla was also celibate, though he later claimed he fell in love with a pigeon). It's common knowledge that sleep is good for your brain -- and Einstein took this advice more seriously than most. He reportedly slept for at least 10 hours per day -- nearly one and a half times as much as the average American today (6.8 hours). But can you really slumber your way to a sharper mind? Many of the world's most brilliant scientific minds were also fantastically weird. From Pythagoras' outright ban on beans to Benjamin Franklin's naked "air baths," the path to greatness is paved with some truly peculiar habits.

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  1. You don't have to crazy to be a genius by Cryacin · · Score: 2

    But it helps!

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    1. Re:You don't have to crazy to be a genius by Wycliffe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I remember taking a left brain / right brain test in high school and the teacher saying that the only people who scored equal on both sides tended to be either genius or mentally retarded. Whether it is autism, schizophrenia, creativity, or something else, if you want to "think outside the box" then being on the fringe is to your advantage. It doesn't surprise me that great thinkers were far outside the box. The trick is being far outside the box without being so far out that you're unstable. Many great thinkers, artists, etc.. were fairly unstable but still managed to hold it together well enough to give us some novel ideas.

      On a somewhat related note, I have a personal theory that the spike in autism is being caused by smart people having children. If intelligence is "balancing on the brink of insanity", then two people on the brink who reproduce sometimes causes their offspring to be over the edge.

    2. Re:You don't have to crazy to be a genius by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Your personal theory is a published study. Mostly aspergers, but a prof looked into it and his theory is that since most people are marrying later, they are also marrying people in their fields. So instead of marrying a random girl from town, you're marrying someone that could also be intelligent and have low level autism. BUT there are studies that show autism stems from poor nutrition and especially LOW IRON. The more likely culprit is bad nutrient levels, especially since people are older and their body needs more work to maintain.

    3. Re:You don't have to crazy to be a genius by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      Since the available evidence seems to suggest that autism is congenital, you are likely getting cause and effect backwards. Autistics often have restricted diets, which can, in turn, lead to nutritional deficiencies.

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    4. Re:You don't have to crazy to be a genius by gtall · · Score: 3, Informative

      I thought autism was caused by blond actresses who saw something on TV and then convinced like-minded dolts to stop vaccinating their sproggs.

    5. Re:You don't have to crazy to be a genius by MangoCats · · Score: 1

      You do have to be an outlier to get noticed. If you go around doing what everybody else does, you'll blend in to the background, and you also won't be doing anything terribly novel or intriguing.

      Makes sense that discovery comes from people who are different.

    6. Re:You don't have to crazy to be a genius by conquistadorst · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I remember taking a left brain / right brain test in high school and the teacher saying that the only people who scored equal on both sides tended to be either genius or mentally retarded. Whether it is autism, schizophrenia, creativity, or something else, if you want to "think outside the box" then being on the fringe is to your advantage. It doesn't surprise me that great thinkers were far outside the box. The trick is being far outside the box without being so far out that you're unstable. Many great thinkers, artists, etc.. were fairly unstable but still managed to hold it together well enough to give us some novel ideas.

      On a somewhat related note, I have a personal theory that the spike in autism is being caused by smart people having children. If intelligence is "balancing on the brink of insanity", then two people on the brink who reproduce sometimes causes their offspring to be over the edge.

      I'd even take it a step further. It's their obsessiveness about that one thing. There are many people in this world that are dedicated to their work. They work hard, work all nighters, get stressed, study, etc... but there are very, very, very few people in this world so obsessed with a *SINGLE* topic that almost literally consumes them, all day, every day, for years and years. To the point they're not just neglecting themselves, they often consider their bodies a physical nuisance. They also shun everything else that doesn't seem important, like spending social time with others, what other people think, eating, cleaning, other mundane tasks. If you could free your mind of those things and spend every waking second on a single topic, then it should be no surprise one would argue that you already have clinical issues. Most of us are not wired to do that, we'd probably psychologically break down instead of thriving like these guys.

    7. Re:You don't have to crazy to be a genius by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      Your personal theory is a published study. Mostly aspergers, but a prof looked into it and his theory is that since most people are marrying later, they are also marrying people in their fields. So instead of marrying a random girl from town, you're marrying someone that could also be intelligent and have low level autism.

      Do you have a link to that study? I've seen from personal experience that most people I know with autistic kids tend to be highly intelligence and it makes sense that it could be some kind of "inbreeding" type characteristic especially considering that it's spiking in places like Silicon Valley but I have yet to see anything but conjecture on the topic.

    8. Re:You don't have to crazy to be a genius by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's their obsessiveness about that one thing. There are many people in this world that are dedicated to their work. They work hard, work all nighters, get stressed, study, etc... but there are very, very, very few people in this world so obsessed with a *SINGLE* topic that almost literally consumes them, all day, every day, for years and years. To the point they're not just neglecting themselves, they often consider their bodies a physical nuisance. They also shun everything else that doesn't seem important, like spending social time with others, what other people think, eating, cleaning, other mundane tasks. If you could free your mind of those things and spend every waking second on a single topic, then it should be no surprise one would argue that you already have clinical issues. Most of us are not wired to do that, we'd probably psychologically break down instead of thriving like these guys.

      It is of course this and this mainly. The article sets a record for getting things wrong. For example:
      According to the latest review of the evidence, around 40% of what distinguishes the brainiacs from the blockheads in adulthood is environmental. No link, and no doubt a percentage contradicted by every other study before and after.

      Then there is:
      Many of the most radical breakthroughs in human history, including the periodic table, the structure of DNA and Einsteinâ(TM)s theory of special relativity, have supposedly occurred while their discoverer was unconscious. With again no links, and obvious lunacy/invention present. Einstein most certainly did NOT come up with SR "while unconscious". He used intuition instead. As to the periodic table, since this was conceived in stages by numerous people, this author's "point" is horse exhaust. Finally, DNA was conceived once again by intuition, and there has never been mention of sleep being important, but instead simply inevitable. You know, it comes at the end of the day.

      As to the zigzag stuff, correlation/causation etc. Maybe the genius types have more zigzags, maybe the zigzags lead to more genius thoughts. It is a dark matter "solution".

      Intriguingly, those who have more spindle events tend to have greater âfluid intelligenceâ(TM) â" the ability to solve new problems, use logic in new situations, and identify patterns â" the kind Einstein had in spades.

      Intriguingly, the author thinks they can rename intuition as "fluid intelligence".

      ..."This ties in nicely with Einsteinâ(TM)s disdain for formal education and advice to "never memorise anything which you can look up"...No, if anything their "fluid intelligence" would make them want to memorise all kinds of stuff. That's how people game IQ tests, after all.

      "walking outside is even better...but why?" Moron. Tell you what, how about we incarcerate you in solitary for, oh I don't know, let's say a month. Then we let you out and bring our clipboards along on your first walk outside.

      It was impossible to read further...

    9. Re:You don't have to crazy to be a genius by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      You do have to be an outlier to get noticed. If you go around doing what everybody else does, you'll blend in to the background, and you also won't be doing anything terribly novel or intriguing.

      Makes sense that discovery comes from people who are different.

      Pretty much agree about the differentness getting people noticed. But it's the differentness, not the genius. The entire article sounds like some racist screed about how Dark Skinned People from Africa are stronger but dumb, or the sexist bullshit that wimminfolk can't do serious work because they go crazy every month.

      Sorry everyone, but genius comes in all shapes and forms. And some of them live in McMansions in the suburbs, and enjoy football games. Just like "normal people".

      And some remarkably obtuse people do eccentric things. Or sleep ten hours a day. Or four. Or not.

      And some remarkably average people are quirky as all hell.

      Or not.

      As well, where is the certification agency that hands out genius certification? I need to talk to them.

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    10. Re:You don't have to crazy to be a genius by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, that's what causes pandemics.

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    11. Re:You don't have to crazy to be a genius by TWX · · Score: 2

      Albert Einstein didn't speak till he was more than 5 years old either. There was nothing wrong with him.

      Sure there was. He married his first-cousin. Hell, he left his wife for his first-cousin.

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    12. Re:You don't have to crazy to be a genius by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      I've tried finding it again, this was a couple years back, and it's been crushed under google by all the random BS articles about autism and aspergers. I really should have saved it somewhere, pisses me off.

    13. Re:You don't have to crazy to be a genius by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      There's also evidence that kids in bilingual homes speak later as well. Drs freak out and like to make everything extreme when it could be late development and your kid will turn out completely normal/average. There's nothing they can do either, so the only reason to get in early is for that sweet sweet gov disability money. Hoping your kid turns out ok though!

    14. Re:You don't have to crazy to be a genius by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      And what is wrong with that?

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    15. Re:You don't have to crazy to be a genius by Angst+Badger · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The problem with this argument is that some of the geniuses under discussion were polymath generalists, not specialists in one thing. And even with the specialists, people like Tesla and Erdos covered an enormous range of topics within their specialization. The common factor with most of them is an enormous amount of energy bordering on mania, coupled with enough intelligence to make productive use of it instead of repeatedly rearranging the dishes in the kitchen at 3am.

      I suspect that our knowing about their weird habits is just a side-effect of self-confidence in some (Newton, Franklin), and an utter disregard for social convention (Tesla, Erdos) in others. Lots of people have weird habits -- and I'm looking at YOU, fellow Slashdot users -- but prefer to be discreet about them.

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    16. Re:You don't have to crazy to be a genius by Dripdry · · Score: 1

      You're sort of saying they're monks but in a different way than most would consider?

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    17. Re:You don't have to crazy to be a genius by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Albert Einstein didn't speak till he was more than 5 years old either. There was nothing wrong with him.

      Sure there was. He married his first-cousin. Hell, he left his wife for his first-cousin.

      So what? Even fucking a direct sibling and producing offspring isn't bad unless you've already got bad genes.
      You're just slowing your genetic drift, which is often desired.

    18. Re:You don't have to crazy to be a genius by minstrelmike · · Score: 1

      Parents freak out, not doctors. Get your cause-effect right. Doctors feel an obligation to tell you every possble thing that could go wrong, especially focusing on the worst outcomes. That's enough to freak you out.

      And even if there is nothing wrong, they'll show you where your child is on develpmetn charts and all the parents see is where their child is NOT A-plus.

      Too short--growth hormones. Too fat, baby exercises. Too thin, dump the exercises. Parents are the problem, not doctors,

    19. Re: You don't have to crazy to be a genius by SandWyrm · · Score: 1

      I've also seen some studies that show a correlation between low vitamin D levels during pregnancy, and autistic births.

  2. I'm not odd, I'm a genius! by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Funny

    But remember kids, you cannot omit that genius part. Without, carrying a blanket around and calling it your waifu only makes you a weirdo.

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    1. Re:I'm not odd, I'm a genius! by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That also works for rich or otherwise successful people. The word for nutty rich or super-smart folks is "eccentric" I suspect that a great many ordinary people have pretty weird quirks and habits too; the difference is that we never hear about them.

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    2. Re:I'm not odd, I'm a genius! by war4peace · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We're all eccentric, only nobody cares about investigating our eccentricities.

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    3. Re:I'm not odd, I'm a genius! by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 2

      But remember kids, you cannot omit that genius part. Without, carrying a blanket around and calling it your waifu only makes you a weirdo.

      Everybody is somebody's weirdo.

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  3. The Search for the Philosopher's Stone by Oxygen99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think it's a bit of stretch to call Newton's proclivities a 'quirky habit'.

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    1. Re:The Search for the Philosopher's Stone by MangoCats · · Score: 2

      Newton's fascination with mercury may have helped his insights - for a short time.

    2. Re:The Search for the Philosopher's Stone by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      That's only weird by modern standards. For his time, searching for the philosopher's stone was like remembering sports statistics.

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    3. Re:The Search for the Philosopher's Stone by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Also B. Franklin's sunbathing. Was that so unusual?

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    4. Re:The Search for the Philosopher's Stone by Deadstick · · Score: 1

      Not "sunbathing", exactly: he seems to have done it indoors, sitting in front of an open window to get fresh air.

      Going nekkid at home probably wasn't all that unusual, given that clothing was a significant expense...and Victorianism was still in the future.

  4. Favism by dargaud · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Pythagoras ban's on fava beans can be traced back to his having favism.

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    1. Re:Favism by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Pythagoras ban's on fava beans can be traced back to his having favism.

      Farting in rich primary colors, shocking your fellow French artists.

    2. Re:Favism by dargaud · · Score: 2

      Hmmm, isn't that Fauvism ?

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  5. Old hat by king+neckbeard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In other words, a lot of geniuses were probably autistic or had other conditions we generally consider to be 'mental illness.' Individuals with exceptionally high intelligence don't tend to integrate fully into society, and society's reaction is largely to consider them broken. As a great philosopher once said, "Only shooting stars break the mold."

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    1. Re:Old hat by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it can't be conclusively confirmed or denied, which is why I used ambiguous terms like "many" and "probably." But you can make a hypothesis about it, and getting society to see value outside of a neurological monoculture is a worthwhile endeavor.

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    2. Re:Old hat by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      You clearly aren't the sharpest tool in the shed.

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    3. Re:Old hat by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      People have dumb names, no need to remember them all.

    4. Re:Old hat by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      Not just dumb names. Arbitrary names, based on grandparents, popular culture, ancestral professions, and the so on. You might be able to get some useful information out of someone's name, but overall, it's basically just a random string of letters.

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    5. Re:Old hat by burningcpu · · Score: 1

      My IQ was recently estimated to be very high, and I can attest. Growing up, I was considered 'learning disabled,' and mostly sidelined intellectually - my parents figured I'd be a police officer or something else that doesn't require much education so they didn't push.

      I am autistic and have ADHD. Before I started taking ADHD medication (when diagnosed at 33 for autism and ADHD, a few months ago), OCD was life. But I handled the OCD in a different way -- rather than looping about a single topic, I was able to force myself around related issues in an OCD like cycle. This allowed some relief from the anxiety as I wasn't 'seeing' the same thoughts, over and over. And often, thoughts came to me so quickly that while I knew they were genesis of me, they felt to have come from someone else. I thought I might have been going crazy.

      Reading reference materials allowed me to push along that cycle, and the dullness soothed me -- finally mental freedom from other people's emotions. So I'd read books and books of reference materials, on just about anything. And because my mind records images and builds associations via images, I can re-access those references under controlled conditions.

      'Normal' people don't really have a chance to compete with me, scientifically. I see my thoughts visually. I can access thousands of images and overlay these upon my sight, and I do so while conducting research. I blend today's technology and my autistic 'minority report' type brain interface to create a research platform that is just....impressive.

      But I don't think of these things necessary as achievements for myself...I was born this way and this is just the way I handle my stress. I feel for others that I work with that don't have these advantages. However, I'm often looked at with suspicion, as I can solve problems that have been long standing for years, within a few minutes of hearing of them. It's freaky to others. But again, I don't feel anything special from it. It's just how I've developed over time, and really just more a symptom of me trying to deal with anxiety. The problem is, that further drives humanity away from me -- seeing me as something 'other.'

      I state this here while I haven't spoken of this elsewhere because some slashdotters may feel me.

    6. Re:Old hat by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Trust me. We all understand you. Everyone on Slashdot has a high IQ, Aspbergers, Autism, you name it. 'Normal' people don't stand a chance! Give me a break...

    7. Re:Old hat by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There's a research psychiatrist (who I cannot remember now) who has been researching recovery. He is finding the best thing for a survivor for trauma is finding someone who is non-judgemental even tempered person and just hanging with them does wonders.

      That's really interesting.

      I wonder if that was gender based. I've read and listened to some work that while women are helped by talk, that men are best helped by something similar to what you note, hanging with some other guys, doing some stuff, maybe performing some sort of shared labor. It sounds odd, but I know that many men after some loss or trauma, will throw themselves into their work. The women in their lives often accuse them of not facing their grief, but it could possibly just be a mental difference between the two sexes.

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    8. Re:Old hat by burningcpu · · Score: 3, Funny

      Haha. Yes, we do tend to congregate in one place. Unfortunately, here you are as well.

    9. Re:Old hat by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Yes we are all geniuses here with special brains. Normal people don't understand us.

    10. Re:Old hat by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      It's almost as if this was a news site for nerds or something...

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    11. Re:Old hat by quantaman · · Score: 2

      In other words, a lot of geniuses were probably autistic or had other conditions we generally consider to be 'mental illness.'

      I'm sure a few were somewhere on the spectrum but I don't see any reason to think they had what we'd consider mental illnesses.

      Individuals with exceptionally high intelligence don't tend to integrate fully into society, and society's reaction is largely to consider them broken. As a great philosopher once said, "Only shooting stars break the mold."

      I think that's close, but misses the mark. Most of us have oddities and quirks, but we tend to suppress them because we want friends and jobs. A crazy hat is fine up until you realize the girl you like doesn't dig it.

      But when you're successful enough everybody already wants to be your friend so there's no need to normalize, in fact those weird little habits just become part of your trademark.

      Celebrities are a good example of this, in fact a great example is Donald Trump. He's obviously not a genius, but he has a lot of odd characteristics that would be big trouble for a person with less wealth and celebrity. Look at older videos from when he was starting out, he was a relatively ordinary person. I think most of his persona comes from his decades of outrageous wealth and celebrity leaving him with no motivation to keep his "quirks" in check.

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    12. Re:Old hat by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      And nerds are all geniuses with special brains. That explains it!

    13. Re:Old hat by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

      I'm sure a few were somewhere on the spectrum but I don't see any reason to think they had what we'd consider mental illnesses.

      Well, autism itself is considered a mental illness by the DSM, and the incidence of things like schizophrenia and dyslexia is significantly higher in certain fields.

      I think that's close, but misses the mark. Most of us have oddities and quirks, but we tend to suppress them because we want friends and jobs. A crazy hat is fine up until you realize the girl you like doesn't dig it.

      And there's a fair bit of evidence that suppressing them is easier if you are less intelligent. Not dumb, just within one or two standard deviations of average. Misophonia, for example, correlates with high intelligence. Smart people don't have better hearing, but they may be processing more information or filtering less. This applies even to smart people who aren't successful, although success can certainly make it easier to not integrate.

      There's also evidence that society dumbs us down in a lot of ways, particularly creative thinking. Children do far better at creative thinking tests than most adults. because they are trained through school to fit into the kind of molds we set for industrial labor. Those unable to conform could be argued to be somewhat shielded from that kind of "brain damage." Granted, this is not directly equivalent to higher innate intelligence, but may end up with the same developmental results.

      Celebrity and power are a bit of a different animal, although there may be some overlap. They are conditioned in a different manner than other people, and thus certain odd behaviors are reinforced, or at least not discouraged, as they would be in a more mundane setting. But this would support part of my argument, as a lot of Trump's success comes from being able to think outside of the DC bubble mindset. He's certainly not intelligent, but when he's not being handled, he occasionally spurts out the obvious things that are unthinkable to normal politicians and journalists, such as money buying policy.

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    14. Re:Old hat by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

      No, but the bell curve for nerds is probably shifted a bit. Nobody here has said 'all' except you and your whiny strawman. I'm saying 'statistically significant,' something that could be quickly supported by automated tests of writing levels of comment sections from various sites. The average Slashdot comment is stupid, but the average Youtube or Facebook comment is far below that.

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    15. Re:Old hat by Pascoea · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, I can't help myself on this one, but how bad does having the user ID 1234256 mess with your OCD? (And I REALLY apologize if you never noticed it up until now)

    16. Re:Old hat by Dripdry · · Score: 1

      AC just proved parent's point. Great job, kid, that was one in a million!

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    17. Re:Old hat by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      With no intellectual equals among the adult population, they are feral humans who grew up among children.

      There have been perhaps a few thousands of true humans, and everybody else is just a trainable animal.

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    18. Re:Old hat by quantaman · · Score: 1

      I'm sure a few were somewhere on the spectrum but I don't see any reason to think they had what we'd consider mental illnesses.

      Well, autism itself is considered a mental illness by the DSM, and the incidence of things like schizophrenia and dyslexia is significantly higher in certain fields.

      But I don't think they're autistic, maybe some had aspergers, but if they were average intelligence I suspect none would be considered mentally ill.

      I think that's close, but misses the mark. Most of us have oddities and quirks, but we tend to suppress them because we want friends and jobs. A crazy hat is fine up until you realize the girl you like doesn't dig it.

      And there's a fair bit of evidence that suppressing them is easier if you are less intelligent. Not dumb, just within one or two standard deviations of average. Misophonia, for example, correlates with high intelligence. Smart people don't have better hearing, but they may be processing more information or filtering less. This applies even to smart people who aren't successful, although success can certainly make it easier to not integrate.

      There's also evidence that society dumbs us down in a lot of ways, particularly creative thinking. Children do far better at creative thinking tests than most adults. because they are trained through school to fit into the kind of molds we set for industrial labor. Those unable to conform could be argued to be somewhat shielded from that kind of "brain damage." Granted, this is not directly equivalent to higher innate intelligence, but may end up with the same developmental results.

      Alright, I suspect there is a positive correlation between genius + oddity and scientific breakthroughs. Ie, genius and oddity could be completely uncorrelated, but if you happen to be a genius and odd you end up exploring novel areas due to your oddity, and advancing them because of your genius.

      Celebrity and power are a bit of a different animal, although there may be some overlap. They are conditioned in a different manner than other people, and thus certain odd behaviors are reinforced, or at least not discouraged, as they would be in a more mundane setting. But this would support part of my argument, as a lot of Trump's success comes from being able to think outside of the DC bubble mindset. He's certainly not intelligent, but when he's not being handled, he occasionally spurts out the obvious things that are unthinkable to normal politicians and journalists, such as money buying policy.

      Though money buying policy isn't unthinkable, hell, that was half the uproar over Citizens United. Though most politicians are reluctant to talk about the influence of big donors because that's where they get their campaign funding. Trump only started talking about money buying policy when he couldn't get big donors, and he stopped when they came through.

      Trump's talents are a little different, first his experience is showbiz not politics, a typical politician makes fuzzy uninspiring promises because they know how hard it is to get things done, Trump promises the moon because that's what gets the biggest payoff. He also has a tendency to say things that seem obvious, but no one says them because experts realize they're bad ideas.

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    19. Re:Old hat by burningcpu · · Score: 1

      Hahahaha, you called it, Pascoea! I almost feel apologetic after posting, given that others have to look at the abomination.

      But I have trouble seeing numbers buried deep like that, and instead just assume that the thing is sequential. Which is weird, because 'I' know that it isn't. But it feels more comfortable seeing it as sequential, so that's how I see it.

      This is why I don't trust myself with numbers, without assistance from technology. I've done some stupid shit that way....

    20. Re:Old hat by minstrelmike · · Score: 1

      Progress is considered a mental illness by true conservatives who don't want technology or society or facts to change, even as they take full advantage of anything new.

      In Analog science fiction mag, it is commonly stated that first man to control fire was probably burned at the stake by priests.

      If you--the inventor--don't think things are good enough right now, then that's perceived as a slam against the folks ostensibly "in charge."

  6. The only difference... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The only difference between brilliance and insanity is success.

    1. Re:The only difference... by gweihir · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not at all. Most insanity is destructive. These people are/were not insane at all. They just did not give a damn what others think. The average human being, however, is so focused on what others think that they can regularly not even recognize clear nonsense. The critical characteristic needed for making mental breakthroughs is not high intelligence. That one, a lot of people have. It is the ability to use it independently and most people (even most highly intelligent ones) fail at that completely. Intelligence does not help if you do not use it.

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    2. Re:The only difference... by mesterha · · Score: 1

      I read a Scientific America special issue that covered this topic. Here's a review of the main topics. http://www.creatifik.com/fivep...

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  7. Seems easily explainable without the genius tag by TimothyHollins · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I see two distinct, yet likely, possibilities.

    1. They were all autistic. Autists don't like change and tend to develop rituals and patterns, such as hammering your feet before bedtime or closing/opening the door 9 times before going through. Autists are sometimes also very sharp (though faaar from all of them) when they manage to focus their behavioral patterns on logical problems.

    2. This is visibility bias. We are all quirky in some way, but not all of us invented relativity theory. I have a friend that sleeps 11+ hours a day, but she's not a genius, so no-one cares. I had a friend that only ate cereal, but she wasn't a genius so no-one cared. Looking back, most of my friends have had some quirk or other, and I'm guessing that if I spent some time digging I'd find that everyone has at least one. So, these geniuses aren't special on the quirk side, they are simply the ones we notice because they're 'famous'. I bet you all know of some unique quirk belonging to your favorite actor/actress, not because they're quirky, but because they're covered by the press 24/7 in detail.

    1. Re:Seems easily explainable without the genius tag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      You don't have to sleep 10+ hours to be a genius. Take a look at my cousin. He sleeps 16 hours a day and don't know shit!

    2. Re:Seems easily explainable without the genius tag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well, the third possibility is that they were austistic AND the only reason anyone cares about their weirdness is they managed to get famous for accomplishing things, probably because they were lucky enough to be austistic before the internet. Born tkday, many of them would have withered away on some chan server where being a virgin who sleeps a lot wouldn't be uncommon.

    3. Re:Seems easily explainable without the genius tag by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      Autism has nothing to do with celibacy, using meth, running around naked outside, sleeping 10 hours a night and not eating beans because nobody understands what glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase deficiency is, so your first possibility is distinctly unlikely.

      Your second possibility, on the other hand, is absolutely on point.

    4. Re:Seems easily explainable without the genius tag by MangoCats · · Score: 1

      Just because they are distinct does not mean they are not both true.

    5. Re:Seems easily explainable without the genius tag by MangoCats · · Score: 1

      Autism has nothing to do with celibacy, using meth, running around naked outside, sleeping 10 hours a night and not eating beans because nobody understands what glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase deficiency is

      Maybe not directly, but Autism is strongly correlated with most of those things... except maybe the meth.

    6. Re:Seems easily explainable without the genius tag by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      Autism has nothing to do with celibacy, using meth, running around naked outside, sleeping 10 hours a night and not eating beans because nobody understands what glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase deficiency is

      Maybe not directly, but Autism is strongly correlated with most of those things... except maybe the meth.

      Have we reached the point where 100 percent of us are autistic yet?

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    7. Re:Seems easily explainable without the genius tag by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      Maybe not directly, but Autism is strongly correlated with most of those things... except maybe the meth.

      Citation needed. I challenge you to find a single study showing that any of those things correlates with autism. Especially the sleeping 10 hours one, because autism actually fucks up your ability to sleep.

    8. Re:Seems easily explainable without the genius tag by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      Not bothering to pull up a study, especially since those aren't things likely to be directly addressed, as they are very unacademic, but I will address them point by point:

      Celibacy: Difficulty forming close knit bonds, hyper and hyposensitivity, and difficulty acting in socially appropriate manners are all impediments to having sex. Hyperfocus on special interests often lead to failures in self-care, which is generally unattractive, and means that more immediate needs than sex are ignored.
      Meth: High rates of comorbidity of autism with ADHD, which is often treated with amphetamines.
      Running around naked outside: Why is that not normal behavior? Because of the social rules involved, which is something autistics are more likely to ignore.
      Sleeping for 10 hours: Atypical, for sure, but forcing yourself to sleep for 10 hours would not be, and it's possible that Einstein was exerting himself to the extent that he didn't have trouble sleeping. The brain is power hungry, and Einstein used his brain a bit.
      Not eating beans: Autistics are well documented as having limited diets or avoiding certain foods.

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    9. Re:Seems easily explainable without the genius tag by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      Except that every single claim I made is well documented. There just aren't studies on autistics not getting laid because 1) it's not something easy to study directly and 2) it has limited academic value.

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    10. Re:Seems easily explainable without the genius tag by minstrelmike · · Score: 1

      We combine waaaay to omuch stuff into categories when discussing intelligence and success.

      Take STEM for example. Engineers and mathematicians have two completely different ways of doing stuff, of viewing reality. That's why it's hard to decide which kinds of quirks indicate creativity or intelligence and which indicate "mental illness." (Homosexuality used to be classified as a mental illness so that's probably not a scientific criterion).

  8. "Certified Genius" by Sir+Holo · · Score: 2

    So what earns a person certification in being a genius?

    150+ on Stanford-Binet? 145+ on Wechsler? A life where one generates a great amount of new science/art/architecture/writing? A ton of Patents?

    IQ is just a raw measure of the potential of a mind. The "mental velocity", as they call it. What one does with it. . . That is what really differentiates the geniuses.

    Never declare anyone a genius until they are at least 35 years old. The truth is that you just can't tell which ones will bloom – so provide opportunities to all of the ones who exhibit high IQs or similar at a young age. Observe their progress and proclivities, and you might just be part of the formative years of a genius. (or you can quench it, as frequently happens)

  9. "Tesla and Newton were celibate" by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1, Interesting

    ...at a time one cannot say to actually be gay...

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    1. Re:"Tesla and Newton were celibate" by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 2

      Or, conversely, before it was trendy to post-mortem "identify" people as being gay, without any real evidence..

    2. Re:"Tesla and Newton were celibate" by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Is it so hard to believe people can just be celibate?

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    3. Re:"Tesla and Newton were celibate" by iampiti · · Score: 2

      When I was depressed I had no sex desire at all so, yes, certain mind "states" can lead to celibacy. I might be that whatever made them so intelligent also made them uninterested in sex

    4. Re:"Tesla and Newton were celibate" by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I get the feeling that Tesla and Leonardo Da Vinci were asexual. Leo once wrote something about how he thought the "means of reproduction" were so disgusting that he was amazed people hadn't gone extinct.

      Now Newton was not merely disinterested in sex like Tesla and Da Vinci, but was religiously opposed to sexual activity, so yeah there's a good chance he was sucking dudes off in the bathroom at every opportunity.

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    5. Re:"Tesla and Newton were celibate" by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Is it so hard to believe people can just be celibate?

      what would be the problem (now) if they were gay (at the time)?

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    6. Re:"Tesla and Newton were celibate" by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Nothing- just the idea that if someone is celibate they must be a repressed gay is ridiculous.

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    7. Re:"Tesla and Newton were celibate" by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Nothing- just the idea that if someone is celibate they must be a repressed gay is ridiculous.

      Not what I'm saying. I'm saying that if they were gay at the time, they couldn't have talked openly about it, and therefore this is a possibility to be considered.

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  10. Quirk by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There are more quirkly homeless people than quirky geniuses. We don't need to spread the myth about quirks being a fundamental particle of genius. We already have too much self-described geniuses on websites like Slashdot who are arseholes because they read a self-confirming article that many geniuses were arseholes.

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    1. Re:Quirk by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

      But we might want to spread the idea that if we are a little more accommodating to neurological differences, we might end up with more geniuses, and the products of their labor. You are also assuming that there aren't any homeless geniuses (or people who could be geniuses if they had appropriate care).

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    2. Re:Quirk by gtall · · Score: 1

      I agree we ought to be more accommodating to neurological differences...but we'd have to jettison much of the Western religions to do it.

      Academia tends to be more accommodating to neurological differences than the commercial world. The downside of that is when quirky individuals teach rather than confine themselves to research, they can sometimes be very disruptive. I've seen many graduate students ruined by professors who were quirky to the point of obnoxious.

    3. Re:Quirk by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the same thing. Everyone on Slashdot is a special snowflake and that explains their crappy behavior. I'll bet most Slashdotters think they have Aspbergers.

    4. Re:Quirk by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure how jettisoning Western religions would help. The thing about genius is that geniuses can believe the wrong things. Einstein disbelieved quantum mechanics, and Godel believed he was in danger of being poisoned. Abolishing people's tendencies to believe the wrong things would also abolish the very thing that can make someone a genius.

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    5. Re:Quirk by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      Slashdot almost certainly has a disproportionate amount of autistics, and the current figures for autism are 1 in 68, so the chunk of Slashdot with autism is probably pretty substantial.

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    6. Re:Quirk by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      Yep. Everyone is special here. Just like everyone else.

    7. Re:Quirk by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      Cool strawman, bro. I said that a good chunk of Slashdot is autistic. Most of the rest of the internet would not disagree.

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    8. Re:Quirk by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      you're "special", that's for sure.

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    9. Re:Quirk by Translation+Error · · Score: 1

      I think I'd rather have more people being a bit quirky than everyone acting normally and rationally every single waking hour of the day.

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    10. Re:Quirk by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      I'm okay with more rational behavior, but that has little overlap with what is normal.

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  11. Where do I collect my certificate? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    I got quirky habits down pat. Loads of them. Quirky is actually a charitable way to describe them, that much quirky. So where do I collect my certificate for geniusity ? or is it geniusness?

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  12. Amphetamines by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 2

    The use of amphetamines isn't a quirk, it's just common sense.

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    1. Re:Amphetamines by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      I'm serious. Amphetamines can work wonders for people such as yourself, and even if not used as a treatment, it's the only drug that keeps you awake, alert and on top of things, when used responsibly of course.

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  13. Re:easy by rmdingler · · Score: 2

    There must be at least one more step.

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  14. Population statistics by sjbe · · Score: 2

    There are more quirkly homeless people than quirky geniuses.

    Just playing devil's advocate but is this actually true and what is the evidence for or against? Are you just assuming it to be true because it sounds right? We're talking about opposite ends of the spectrum in many cases but both tend to be some standard deviations outside the norm. It wouldn't actually surprise me if the number of crazy geniuses in total wasn't all that different from the number of crazy homeless people. I have no evidence for or against but it is an interesting question. (to me anyway...)

    We already have too much self-described geniuses on websites like Slashdot who are arseholes because they read a self-confirming article that many geniuses were arseholes.

    There's definitely a surviorship bias in play here.

    1. Re:Population statistics by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 2

      There are more homeless people than there are geniuses. It's simply easier to become homeless than be a genius. Out of those groups, quirkiness would have to be much much more common in geniuses than in homeless people for there to be roughly similar numbers.

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    2. Re:Population statistics by king+neckbeard · · Score: 3, Interesting

      According to US stats, 85 out of 100,000 people in the US are homeless. That's 0.085% of the population. A Stanford-Bbinet score of 150 or higher would be present in 0.089% of the population. Depending on where you draw the line for genius, either one could be more prevalent. Yes, you can become homeless, while you can't become a genius, but the current distribution of the two groups are not as radically different as you claim.

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    3. Re:Population statistics by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 1

      It's funny how no intelligence tests makes falsifiable predictions about who shows the signs of genius yet so many people assume they're scientific. http://www.independent.co.uk/n... According to you and sjbe, this child is more of a genius than Einstein. I bet none of you would actually call this child a genius until she does something that you would recognize as genius.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      How many of these people would you or sjbe actually admit are/were geniuses?

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    4. Re:Population statistics by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

      Again, it depends on how you define genius, for which there is no hard rule. I personally don't conclude that 'genius' implies accomplishment, just ability that is a number of standard deviations away from the norm. A person can be a genius whose intellectual capacity far exceeds Einstein in intellectual capacity, yet spends their entire life as a janitor or sweatshop worker. In my view, not all genius have monumental accomplishments, but monumental accomplishments tend to be accomplished by geniuses.

      I also recognize that IQ is not anywhere near a perfect metric. However, it's largest flaws in regards to detecting genius would be that it tends to underestimate those with less well-rounded skills. For example, a savant might score poorly to average on one section, and go far beyond the tests abilities in other areas, or make mistakes because they don't properly understand the questions.

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    5. Re:Population statistics by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 2

      I personally don't conclude that 'genius' implies accomplishment, just ability that is a number of standard deviations away from the norm.

      Everyone who has been historically considered a genius had notable achievements to their name. Achievements, and peer recogntion, are undeniable criteria for being considered a genius.

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    6. Re:Population statistics by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

      Everyone who has been historically considered has had notable achievements because history doesn't record the unremarkable actions of unremarkable people.

      Here are the dictionary definitions of genius: 1. exceptional intellectual or creative power or other natural ability. 2. a person who is exceptionally intelligent or creative, either generally or in some particular respect.

      Those don't include any kind of requirement of achievement. The etymology of 'genius' roughly translates to 'inborn' or 'innate,' although it was attributed to a spirit, and didn't come to exclusively refer to exceptional ability until later. You are simply moving the goalposts because your original post was statistically nonsense.

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    7. Re:Population statistics by Wraithlyn · · Score: 1

      Please find me a dictionary definition of genius that specifies a requirement for historically significant achievements.

      You're insisting on your own personal definition, and making a circular argument based on it. "All historically notable geniuses have done historically notable things", well no shit Sherlock.

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  15. Hmmmmm.... by mrsam · · Score: 1

    Looks to me like there's a lot of geniuses around here... Wait, I'm here too...

  16. LOGICAL REASONING by N3wsByt3 · · Score: 1

    I have some truly peculiar habits, therefor I am a genius.

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  17. Re:easy by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

    Don't be ugly?

  18. If it works and it is stupid, it aint stupid. by houghi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Many people do similar things. It is a bit of a self fulfilling prophesy. There are sports people who have to go on the field with the right foot first. Some will want to have a lucky number as shirtnumber.
    A politician might want to have his tie done in a cerain way.
    In programming: Some will use spaces instead of tabs.

    The result is the same: It works. Now why is that? Because when you do it, you won't spend time thinking how you did NOT do it. That time can then be used for the task at hand. And when you need to be concentrated 100%, you will be better than using 1% thinking how something is a bit off.

    We learn as kids that a kiss on the knee is the bestest way to stop a booboo.

    And I am sure that everybody has things like this and that has nothing to do with autism or anything else. Just human behaviour.

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    1. Re:If it works and it is stupid, it aint stupid. by gtall · · Score: 1

      Just in general, the regular pop. does not get statistics. When a street light pops as a person walks under it, frequently they attribute it to some dark force. The number of street lights popping intersected with the number of people walking under them will lead to a great number of dark forces at work.

    2. Re:If it works and it is stupid, it aint stupid. by GenYGuy · · Score: 1

      It is also about confidence. Particularly for athletes, politicians and other performers, mental conditioning and feeling confident are really important, especially at the highest levels. I grew up around hockey players, who are known for their superstitions and weird pregame rituals they have. I've also seen the difference confidence can make in the performance of an individual who is objectively very good. Most of these people know that putting your left sock on before the right doesn't REALLY make a difference in the grand scheme of things, but they do it anyway because it gets them in the right mindset to perform at their best.

  19. Try using actual data by sjbe · · Score: 2

    There are more homeless people than there are geniuses

    It depends on how you define genius. Approximately 2.2% of the population has an IQ above 140 which is the cutoff for MENSA membership. Approximately in the US is homeless. So if you are talking Newton or Tesla level geniuses you might be right but if you define genius as the smartest 1-2% of the population then there are at least as many geniuses as homeless people.

    Basically you are simply assuming there are more homeless people than geniuses when in fact the data seems to show that probably isn't actually true, at least in the US and most other modern countries.

    It's simply easier to become homeless than be a genius.

    That is an assumption not an evidence based fact.

    Out of those groups, quirkiness would have to be much much more common in geniuses than in homeless people for there to be roughly similar numbers.

    See the data above which seems to disagree with you.

    1. Re:Try using actual data by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It depends on how you define genius. Approximately 2.2% of the population has an IQ above 140 which is the cutoff for MENSA membership.

      UnluckiIy for you, IQ doesn't test for genius, and neither does MENSA membership. For one thing, you can practice for IQ tests. No different from all the high performing students who get amazingly high marks but fail to produce results in the real world. Like it or not, genius has a large "peer review" component and is one of those "we know it when we see it" type things.

      It's simply easier to become homeless than be a genius.

      That is an assumption not an evidence based fact.

      Really? And you have examples of people who were of average intelligence and skill suddenly found themselves on the top tier in a matter of weeks or months through no fault of their own? You can miss a few weeks rent and become a genius?

      See the data above which seems to disagree with you.

      Yeah. Cherry picked meaningless data on the IQ/MENSA front. You may as well not have bothered. Making up meaningless metrics is worse than acknowledging that there is no good measure.

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  20. Re:easy by rmdingler · · Score: 2

    Sure, but doesn't ugly decrease the level of difficulty of at least one of the other prerequisites?

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  21. Don't forget RMS by slashdice · · Score: 1

    he eats his own toe jam.

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  22. This is an important limitation of high IQ. by hey! · · Score: 1

    People who are extremely intelligent are accustomed to being right when everyone around them are wrong and in fact aren't bright enough to realize they're wrong. This is not a good thing.

    The smartest person I know (and I know a *lot* of smart people) had an affair with a married man that any idiot would have known was going to end badly. But there was no point in debating that with her because it would be like climbing into the ring and sparring with Ali in his prime. She never, ever loses an argument. I suspect part of the attraction of this guy was that he was kind of a fixer-upper. He in fact did leave his wife, moved in with my friend, and then promptly fell in love with her male apartment-mate. The problems he was having were him coming to terms with being gay, so in an ironic way she did end up fixing him up.

    Being able to argue circles around other people invites a kind of stupidity that is the exclusive property of the very smart or very rich. When it's a harmless odd opinion like walking around naked taking "air baths", we call it "quirky". Sometimes it's even right, like Tesla's toe-scrunching; neuroscientists now know that helps the brain with "executive functions" like planning and attention control. But that same mule-headedness can have a darker side, like Nobel laureate Shockley's racial "theories".

    This is why I think gifted education is so important, not because the educators themselves can do much for the truly gifted, but having intellectual peers who challenge the gifted student on an equal basis teaches that student a lesson smart people often miss out on.

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  23. Not limited to scientists by Deadstick · · Score: 1

    Stonewall Jackson held one arm aloft as much as he could, even riding into battle -- supposedly to equalize blood flow. He didn't quit even after he caught a bullet that way.

  24. Bullshit article by paiute · · Score: 1

    We all have quirky habits. Quirky habits do not a genius make.

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  25. "Peculiar" until we prove the benefit(s)... by evolutionary · · Score: 1

    At that point, it's considered further evidence of the practitioner's brilliance.

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  26. After working in a school with special needs kids by zerofoo · · Score: 1

    I can definitively say that cerebro-diversity is a thing. Our school focuses on dyslexic and Asperger's kids - their brains are wired differently and as a result, they see the world differently.

    I'll bet most of the geniuses found in history also had brains that were wired differently than most of us. That would explain their talents and their quirks.

    I don't think you can simply adopt a few odd behaviors in the hopes of attaining genius status.

  27. It's the other way around! by aglider · · Score: 1

    The fact that a genius does something doesn't imply that if you do the same you are or become a genius.

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  28. quirky, huh? by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

    I wouldn't really describe masturbating five times a day, using your bulbous gut as a potato chip tray, and slurping Red Bull all night as "quirky."

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  29. Perhaps... by martinfb · · Score: 1

    Perhaps many of those things we generally classify as "fantastically weird" would be a bit more mainstream if we were to get better educated in reality and less "morally righteous"!

    What do YOU thing might better serve mankind?

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