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Top UK Supermarket Laser Prints Labels On Avocados To Reduce Waste (telegraph.co.uk)
One of the largest British retailers in London, M&S, is opting in for laser-printed barcodes to reduce paper waste. "The labels, which are etched onto fruit's skins with lasers instead of stickers, will save 10 tons of paper and five tons of glue every year according to M&S," reports The Telegraph. The labels will be etched into the skins of avocados, but "could soon be introduced to other fruit and vegetables and adopted by other supermarkets which are looking for new waste reduction techniques." The labels themselves include the shop logo, best before date, country of origin and product code for entering at the till. What's more is that the avocado's skin is the only area impacted by the lasers -- none of the fruit gets damaged. Bruce66423 writes: Print the information usually on the packaging to reduce waste. Excellent idea -- although the Aldi (the radically cheap, all own brand chain) alternative is to leave avocados untouched and get the cashiers to enter the code.
Employees and customers are next.
Hopefully apples too - anyone else annoyed by little stickers on apples?
I used to work with a guy who stuck them to the side of his monitor. Over time there were so many I reckoned the thing was ready to tip over. And that was before those fancy-pants flatscreen jobbies too.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
"Will people then be sold in supermarkets too?"
Of course not, they'll be an app for that (like Uber). No one wants to pay retail for people!
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It doesn't work on majority of fruits. Most of the information they print is redundant. Nobody needs the shop logo. The country of origin is already printed on the bin. The product code can be memorized/looked up by the cashier. That only leaves the best-by date, which, in the case of avocados, isn't very reliable.
Some packaging is way over the top, and the vast majority of household waste at least for me is in the form of packaging...
Virtually no packaging can be reused, not much biodegrades and only some can be recycled through an energy intensive process of melting it all down again.
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Uh oh one more reason for millennials to go even more wild on avocado toast #no_home http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/16...
seen it too!
Everything I write is lies, read between the lines.
Onions? I've never seen stickers on onions. By-the-piece onions (around here at least) come in three flavors - red, white, and yellow. Or by the bag, already labeled. I can see why you would need labels on apples as there are about a dozen varieties, even at small grocery stores. Most everything else is unique enough that you can tell what it is, although some cashiers seem to be clueless about "exotic" fruits like kiwis, dragonfruit, and mangos.
Chaos maximizes locally around me.
In Belgium it depends. Some stores you weigh, sometimes you do not. Avocado would never be something that you buy per weight. You buy it per piece.
The real reason they do this is obvious money and then use the environment thing as marketing.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
Because we have regulations that state information such as variety, country of origin and best before date are on the item (if sold individually) or the outer packaging.
"Wait. Something's happening. It's opening up! My God, it's full of apricots!"
Tesco carried over 90,000 products until recently, when they dropped some due to choice fatigue reducing their profits. You going to study up and remember the codes for each and every one of them? How about you learn the price at the same time, that can change on a daily basis, but shouldn't be a problem.
That's why there's scanners at the till.
"Wait. Something's happening. It's opening up! My God, it's full of apricots!"
The next logical step is for the shop, or supplier, to print ads on the fruit.
My local supermarket started individually shrink-wrapping fruit for your environmentally destructive pleasure. :-(
Here they don't even bother labeling produce. You just grab what you want and the cashier or you at a self checkout lane enters in what it is, how many and the register weighs it to make sure everything is good. Of course people can game the system by saying their super organic gmo free fruit is just regular cheap fruit but as far as I can see most places operate on the honor system in that regard and everything works out fine.
They are using these hand-held engravers in the wrong market.
The obvious best use is in cosmetic body modification. This, combined with normal tattooing, would be a powerful new addition to the body mod scene I think.
There is already scarification, which is done with hot brands or razor blades.
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This would be much quicker, and could do much more intricate designs on skin. Combined with traditional inking it could lead to very nice tattoos indeed.
Seriously- branding fruit? Wrong market. Humans WANT to be branded. Take their money.
Kiwis aren't fruit, they're birds.
They're also endangered so you shouldn't be eating them either.
Or do you mean Kiwifruit?
No, not the "666", mark-of-the-beast guys. Yes, those too. But I'm talking about a more local conspiracy (frankly, I haven't met anyone outside of Europe that considers this real, shows that not all loonies that can come up with insane bullshit are located in the US), that those bars can act as some sort of "antenna" and absorb "frequencies" from various sources, which then affect the product, and of course in a negative way.
But luckily, there's hope! You can buy a Sharpie... ok, of course it's not a simple Sharpie, it's an energetically activated (insert more mumbo-jumbo woo here) for the low, low price of 30-50 bucks, and with this you can "connect" those bars and neutralize them that way.
By now some of makers of products aimed at ... let's say energetically challenged people have started to print their barcodes "neutralized", pretty much saying "if they want it that way, it doesn't bother us, so ... let them have it...".
We're now at the point where they seriously demand hazard pay for people working the supermarket checkout.
So no, idiocy is by no means a privilege of the US, we can do it just as well!
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
It's not about paying retail.
People don't want to foot the ongoing maintenance bill of owning one.
Renting is much easier
Which country is this? Never heard of this practice.
As opposed to a large foreign retailer in London?
So basically tomorrow some headline-grabber piece of crap pseudo doctor will say lasering avocados causes autism. Thanks, UK doctors.
No, not the "666", mark-of-the-beast guys. Yes, those too. But I'm talking about a more local conspiracy (frankly, I haven't met anyone outside of Europe that considers this real, shows that not all loonies that can come up with insane bullshit are located in the US), that those bars can act as some sort of "antenna" and absorb "frequencies" from various sources, which then affect the product, and of course in a negative way.
If you'd RTFS, you'd see they aren't printing barcodes, they're printing the Arabic numeral code for the item to enter by hand at the checkout. A barcode would not be practical on an avocado, due to their bumpy, dark skin. It would be hard to get straight lines of good enough contrast.
But I enjoyed your rant. Off-topic as it was.
M&S brand coconuts with their logo, expiry date, and the till code as well. I don't know if it's laser'd or just plain old branding, but they've been doing that for a while now.
They still wrap the bloody things in shrinkwrap for reasons unknown.
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Yes, to emphasize it's not Lidl or Aldi for instance, because you would expect them to tattoo foreign avocado's.
Aldi in the Netherlands does scan its products, the cashier does not have to enter a code for every product. They used to do that, and I must say the old method was a lot faster. I've always had some kind of admiration for the Aldi cashiers to memorize all those product codes. I guess Aldi does not trust its cashiers anymore...
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I've planted three trees in the back yard, irrigated by rainwater.
It might take a decade to bear fruit but they're very easy to propagate from pit.
fruits like kiwis
Kiwis aren't fruit, they're birds.
They're also endangered so you shouldn't be eating them either.
Or do you mean Kiwifruit?
... And then there are New Zealanders also calling themselves (or is it being called) Kiwis.
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Stop eating avocados. Stop eating food with palm oil. Stop eating cows. Stop eating any kind of meat. I think I might as well just stop eating...
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One guy walks into a store and asks for a pack of cigarettes. As usual, to discourage smoking, there is a warning printed on the pack:
"Smoking causes impotence"
The customer hands back the cigarette pack and tells the store clerk:
"This is disgusting! Can I have a pack on which it says that smoking cause cancer ?"
Back in the early 80's, when I was working for a UK company called Laser-Scan, mostly doing digital cartography, we had a request about using a laser to brand bar-codes onto pigs as they went into the abbatoir. I can't remember anything coming of it, though.
ARABIC numeral code?!
New conspiracy theory! The avocadoes carry encrypted messages to the terrorist cells!
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You made that up. Stop lying.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
To produce three avocados, you need 264 gallons of water = 1m^3 = 1000 liters. That is more water than consumed by a child in one year.
Children consume a lot more water. For instance, if your child eats 1 avocado per month, they are already 4 times over that amount.
Everything has social consequences
Lidl and Aldi are German. I doubt the food safety obsessed German consumers would buy avocado's with a barcode etched into the fruit itself, so unless foreign branches of Aldi and Lidl buy their produce completely independently, I doubt either of those chains would be the first to sell such an item.
Next gen self-check will probably just recognize the avocados when you put them on the scale, you won't have to enter anything.
Produce recognition software seems like a logical progression. it may not be perfect at first, but it seems inevitable that they will come. And it may lead to fewer choices, unless similar looking choices can be priced the same.
The laser etching on the other hand, I think is a dead end. Not all fruits are suited for that, including gnarly avocados (the only kind I buy). So you still need other methods in place, and this will only be an additional method, adding to the complexity. And chefs who make decorations and people who make fruit baskets won't be amused by etched labels.
In the UK Kiwis are fruit. They may alternately be flightless birds but we generally encounter the fruit more frequently.
Nobody here calls it kiwifruit.
Hmm. They are at the top end of the food supermarket scale though.
Not the highest volumes or revenue, but near to the top in quality and right at the top for some of their own brand foods. Their 'finish cooking it at home' chilli bread is utterly awesome.
M&S are one of the UKs largest retailers, but only about 60% of their revenue is from food. See here. Which means that they are outside of the top 10 in terms of grocery sales.They are a small player in terms of food sales who specialize in luxury foods. This is just a curiosity news piece about a small specialist retailer who have found another way to push their luxury brand and its values.
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Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Same here. We would rather call the animal a "kiwibird" than the berry a "kiwifruit". Of course, some people refer to them as "chinese strawberries".
A guy I know used to make a point of only buying packs that said they caused problems with pregnancy and then when someone criticized him for smoking he'd point out that THESE cigarettes were only hazardous to pregnant women.
Laser burning a barcode on an avocado skin will pollute the air with more CO2, you insensitive clod!
The text on the package is German (with a '.de' URL printed on the box), and it's on the German-language Wikipedia, so I'd say the country is Germany. I didn't notice anything like this when I visited a few months ago, but I went to (what I understand to be) a regular grocery store, not specialized for 'wellness products' or whatever the local euphemism for 'woo' is.
IIRC the epicenter of that loonie quake is Germany, Austria and Switzerland.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
They're top in terms of prestige. This isn't just a laser-etched avocado - it's an M&S laser-etched avocado
Kiwi and kiwifruit are synomyms. The only differences being that the former word has multiple meanings and the latter is hardly ever used. Moreover, if you really want to be pedantic, the technical term is Chinese gooseberry; 'kiwi' and 'kiwifruit' are merely marketing terms invented to make the fruit appear to be native to New Zealand.
That'll be easy enough for telling an apple from a banana, but hard when telling a Gala apple from a Braeburn apple.
Deal with reality - the world as it is - rather than ideality - the world as you would like it to be.
No one wants to pay retail for people!
Of course not. The DIY route is much more fun.
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if you really want to be pedantic, the technical term is Chinese gooseberry
If you wanted to be pedantic you should have used the term Actinidia deliciosa. That is commonly known as the fuzzy kiwifruit, there are a few other species of the genus Actinidia that are also edible with various names.
Light Amplification by Zimulated Emission of Radiation - nice over-britishization
A simple solution is to make them the same price.
Ten tons of paper and five tons of glue is what the article says. A single sheet of A4 paper weighs about 4.5 grams. The FDA supposedly has a few adhesives that are safe for food. I don't quite know the chemical makeup, but it's probably similar to polyvinyl acetate that Elmer's glue uses. Polyvinyl acetate has a mass of 1.19 g/cm^3. A sheet of A4 paper has a surface area of 236.22 cm^2 and a thickness of about 0.0102 cm, ergo a total volume of 2.409 cm^3. This is 2.867 grams of glue per sheet if the glue were applied at the same thickness as the paper. A sheet of A4 weighs 4.5 grams. That's a 1.570:1 ratio and not 2:1. And because you know the glue surface would be thinner that the paper, that ratio would be even smaller. It doesn't make sense to be using that much glue is what I'm getting at.
Onions? I've never seen stickers on onions. By-the-piece onions (around here at least) come in three flavors - red, white, and yellow.
No Vidalias? Pearl Onions? Shallots? Spring Onions? Ramps? Cippolini?... ummm... I'm sure there are more...
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
Well, here they are called "european chinese strawberries".
I call them African American European Chinese Strawberries
Light Amplification by Zimulated Emission of Radiation
- nice over-britishization
Laser spelt with a "Z" is not a British spelling, it's an American spelling. It is spelt with an "S" in Britain. The bastardisation of the abbreviation originates on the Western edge of the pond.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
It really cannot be that difficult to make the checkout systems simply recognize unpacked food using computer vision....
0x or or snor perron?!
In light of this information, I humbly propose that in order to preserve our most precious of natural resources, rather than growing avocados for human consumption, we adopt the more economical and ethical solution of raising children to be used for this purpose in their stead.
When someone says, "Any fool can see
I was at walmart last week and found apple turnovers in the bakery self-serve box. (unusual, they're typically in boxes of 4) Got some. Got to the register. Clerk spent time looking in the system, could not find the individual turnover product. Gave up, entered them under "german pastry" or something like that.
Other stores I go to and get say apples, they have that tiny little sticker on them. Get to the register and the gal picks up the bag, squints to read the short little number on the label, picks up the laminated sheet, looks up the number, and hand keys in the full product code for that number while weighing it.
Nowhere I shop uses barcodes for loose produce. I'd expect barcodes on some bundled greens like lettuce and celery though I don't buy those.
I think this could work for produce you can get the code to stay on and still be readable for awhile. I'd imagine a lot of produce won't retain the code without blurring it or bruising the area and turning it into a large black smudge. Maybe they're doing this with avocados because they are good at retaining the code clearly?
I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
Aldi hasn't been all-own-brand for years. They sell things like coca-cola here in the Netherlands...
I actually took the time to read the linked article, it seems the primary concern is that avocados are so profitable for small farmers that cartels and big agribusiness is muscling them to get their profits. As near as I can tell, the general idea is don't buy a profitable crop from an impoverished area because if you do it will give small farmers money and someone might steal the money from them. This does not seem fully thought out.
In the Netherlands the new system is - you take your own hand-held scanner, go to the e.g. avocadoes, put say 5 in the basket, scan the price-label [you need only one per type of good] and you are done. No need to spend money laser etching the bar code on every fruit. Plus, no need for cashier. After the system was implemented I never looked back....funnily enough most people still prefer the interaction with the human - often I see long lines at the cashiers while the self-scanning machines stand idle...
A simple solution is to make them the same price.
Yes (also mentioned in the GP). However, while this helps with getting the price right, it doesn't help with inventory control.
So it may have a side effect of stores reducing the choice. Which is already happening in some stores where customers are allowed to ring up their own produce purchases.
because why?
So that the cashier enters the correct code, whether it's an expensive organic avocado or a somewhat less expensive regular avocado.
I wonder if this could be done for more products. I've seen a lot of cases where various stores have been caught changing dates on food to something that expires further in the future. If it's laser-etched etc that would be a lot harder to do.
Not sure if one could laser-etch a steak though, but if they did a permanent mark on the package it could help prevent re-labelling.
They could just not label them like many other grocers. Try training your checkers better.
WTF?
In the UK Kiwis are fruit. They may alternately be flightless birds
If you are in the UK, you should know that "alternately" means back-and-forth. As is "we meet on alternate Tuesdays", or "alternating current".
Alternatively, you may be speaking American.
gooseberries, not strawberries.
That space is important.
As, has been highlighted, is the iv in alternatively.
As someone else already said: just have the cashier enter the code. Really, it's not that hard. Even at self-checkout stations, you can pick from a picture menu, or if you're clever you can remember the code; bananas are '4011', for instance. Then they'll not only save on paper and adhesive but on expensive laser printing systems.
I find it interesting that M&S would be so concerned about such things, when all their plastic packaging that I've seen contains a note: "Plastic: Not Currently Recycled"
Inventory control also needs to deal with fruit that's thrown out because it is bruised or moldy. Both can be combined by accounting for the crates as they enter or leave the produce section.
We don't call them kiwifruit in the US, either. They are just called "kiwi".
He's probably a kiwi (alternately a NZ resident and a tasty-but-endangered flightless bird).
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By-the-piece onions ... come in three flavors - red, white, and yellow.
So how is life with synesthesia? :-)
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Kiwis aren't fruit, they're birds. They're also endangered so you shouldn't be eating them either.
Or do you mean Kiwifruit?
They're people from New Zealand and, I imagine, some of them are delicious. :-)
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
... makes sense.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
This is what happens when you don't read the title bar of the comments. Besides, onions are well known for their properties as velociraptor repellent. I have onions on my desk and have yet to experience a raptor attack.
No "alternately" is wrong usage in the USA as well.
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If you are in the UK you should know that we refer to that as "typing Americanisms", not "speaking American".
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"Gravity is only a theory, not a fact!"Nobody here calls it kiwifruit.
Yet you call beets beetroot.
Some of us are, others, not so much...
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Do they even have kiwi birds? You could trick buyers who wants kiwis. ;)
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And, if you are outside of Southern California or the Southwest; that amount of water is easily provided. You don't even need to irrigate.
NRRPT/RCT
Someone is confusing bar codes with RFID chips.
Gad, I remember going to a hearing in Sacramento about a law to require subcutaneous RFID insertion on every school age child. Talk about a pedophile's wet dream for stalking tech.
NRRPT/RCT
Because the farmer grows beets, pulls them from the ground, cuts the green stuff off the top and feeds it to their sheep (or cattle), then sells the beetroot to buyers at a considerably higher per-ton price than for un-topped beets.
Other parts of the country use "beet" to refer to the uncooked food and "beetroot" for the cooked version. Witness the Alan ("Amstrad") Sugar biography. But I think that's a London usage.
You might not know the reason for the usage, but that doesn't mean that there is no reason.
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