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FCC Proposes $120 Million Fine On Florida Robocall Scammer (reuters.com)

The FCC on Thursday proposed a $120 million fine on a Florida resident alleged to have made almost 100 million spoofed robocalls to trick consumers with "exclusive" vacation deals from well-known travel and hospitality companies. Reuters reports: The man, identified as Adrian Abramovich, allegedly made 96 million robocalls during a three-month period by falsifying caller identification information that matched the local area code and the first three digits of recipient's phone number, the FCC said. The calls, which were in violation of the U.S. telecommunications laws, offered vacation deals from companies such as Marriott International Inc, Expedia Inc, Hilton Inc and TripAdvisor Inc. Consumers who answered the calls were transferred to foreign call centers that tried to sell vacation packages, often involving timeshares. These call centers were not related to the companies, the FCC said.

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  1. $120 million for one scammer by rsilvergun · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    but not a dime for the various cable companies that took billions in state and federal cash and didn't deliver promised network upgrades. Sounds about right. This guy just didn't grease the right palms.

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    1. Re:$120 million for one scammer by Cyberpunk+Reality · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Basically what I was going to say. He's not being fined for being a scamming robocaller, he's being fined for doing scamming robocalling *wrong*.

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    2. Re:$120 million for one scammer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He'll never pay a dime. Meanwhile, the infrastructure that allows these abuses leads me get get dozens of these spam calls a week despite do-not-call registration.

    3. Re:$120 million for one scammer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course not, can't take the chance of hurting a business.

    4. Re:$120 million for one scammer by meadow · · Score: 1

      Electric chair the scab

    5. Re:$120 million for one scammer by FictionPimp · · Score: 2

      This is because of government involvement. If we just let free market sort this out the problem would go away, everyone would just switch to a communications company that did not have spammers. ;-p

    6. Re:$120 million for one scammer by TapeCutter · · Score: 0

      Do you really believe deregulated pixie dust will force Telco's to slit their own throats?

      The douche pickles that don't hang up as soon as the robot puts them on hold are the problem. They ARE the target market and they're already free to fuck things up for the rest of us.

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    7. Re: $120 million for one scammer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too lenient. Do you work for the FCC or something?

    8. Re: $120 million for one scammer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's ok. We have his name now. Let's all go find his house and beat the shit out of him.

    9. Re:$120 million for one scammer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Overrated...because there's no -1 Missed the Joke/Sarcasm moderation.

    10. Re:$120 million for one scammer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It went right over your head, didn't it?

      That's one of the main problems with espousing the Free Market as a religion, though. Douche Pickles. The theoretical Free Market thinks that everyone's rational and well-informed, when all too often they are neither.

  2. P R I S O N _ T I M E ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Great, a hefty fine is a good idea. But if he's not in prison for this, you might as well make it legal and tax it - this is a drop in the bucket.

  3. yesterday, a Florida resident allegedly by turkeydance · · Score: 2

    fled.

  4. I definitely got called by this guy by TheDarkener · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've been getting Marriott Hotel calls w/my area code, sometimes 2-3x daily on my business phone line. Fucking annoying and such a time/concentration waster, even with a callblocker (as it obviously spoofs a different number each time). I hope this guy gets what's coming to him.

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    1. Re:I definitely got called by this guy by markdavis · · Score: 2

      I have been getting calls too..... EIGHT of them. I thought it really odd I would get calls from a local number with the same first three digits as mine. Of course I never answered any of them. But that might explain what happened.

      However, ALL robocallers should be fined, not just those who spoof. Better yet, ALL marketing callers AND pollsters AND political party callers. Stop invading my space, irritating me, and wasting my time.

    2. Re:I definitely got called by this guy by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      I get something similar but for healthcare. Always uses the same area code and prefix of my number. Today I pressed 1 for a live person and they asked about healthcare. I told them to take me off the list and they hung up. Next time I'm going to start sexually harassing them.

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  5. Good start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now give ten times that to all the rest of them. Telemarketing should be illegal.

  6. Religious groups, please keep in mind... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Religious groups, and other social activist groups, please keep this in mind: This is why we must continue to allow capital punishment to be an option.

    1. Re:Religious groups, please keep in mind... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a too quick punishment for them. I'm thinking more of 1 day of community-service and $10 fine for every unsolicited call. Punishment to be spread out over all owners and managers in the company, or other people making money of it, split depending on their ownership size and involvement. Fines to be collectively collected so if only one guy has any money he will have to pay for it all.

  7. Happened to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a former Florida resident and have literally have been getting these almost daily for the last few months.

    The phone number always starts with the same area code and first three digits.

    It's always obvious to me it was nonsense as I no longer live in Florida and really had no friends from Florida who would call me up.

  8. Forgot to grease the right palms... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 0

    Clearly this guy forgot to grease the right palms like having a membership at Mar-a-Lago...

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    1. Re:Forgot to grease the right palms... by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Clearly this guy forgot to grease the right palms like having a membership at Mar-a-Lago...

      So what you're saying is that he was paying off the Obamas up until a few months ago? Don't be coy. Say what you mean. You think that Obama was taking cash from a robocall scammer.

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    2. Re: Forgot to grease the right palms... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called sarcasm, DrenchGnome, nobody was making a serious suggestion of bribery at all.

      Still, you should face it, you have to deal with Trump's long history of corruption, and his family, even his in-laws. Just like the Bush famil, except football instead of baseball.

      But hey, why don't you call the House Oversight Committee and let them know. I'm sure they wanted to hear from you.

  9. Illegal? Yes. Too harsh? Even more so... by bjdevil66 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    $120,000,000 for 100M calls? That's $1.20 per call.

    Unless the scammer made $120M in profits, this goes a little beyond punitive.

    It's too bad net neutrality doesn't get this kind of strong support.

    1. Re:Illegal? Yes. Too harsh? Even more so... by tbq · · Score: 2

      Couldn't he also be sued by the companies he claimed to represent for these "deals" being offered?

    2. Re:Illegal? Yes. Too harsh? Even more so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Too harsh? I'd like to see some jail time too. Otherwise he'll just start up again in a couple years.

    3. Re:Illegal? Yes. Too harsh? Even more so... by markdavis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >"$120,000,000 for 100M calls? That's $1.20 per call.Unless the scammer made $120M in profits, this goes a little beyond punitive."

      Sorry, but that sounds about right to me. He irritated people over 100 million times. That is a lot of bad. The problem is that they rarely fine anyone and rarely collect any of it, anyway.

      If they do, they should use all that money to hunt down and destroy as many marketing, spam, political, and robocallers as possible. Or perhaps use the money to force the stupid carriers out there to NOT ALLOW SPOOFING LIKE THIS.

    4. Re:Illegal? Yes. Too harsh? Even more so... by dissy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      $120,000,000 for 100M calls? That's $1.20 per call.

      Unless the scammer made $120M in profits, this goes a little beyond punitive.

      That's cheap as hell, considering calling a number listed on the do not call registry can be up to $40,000 per violation.

      Yes, that's $40k times potentially 100 million calls, or $4 trillion in fines assuming he only called each person just once, which isn't actually the case.

      I have over 50 such calls in my phones call history over the past 5-6 months.
      While it is unlikely to all be from this one single person, this is still two million dollars in violation fees from just on my one phone alone.

      He was very aware of the fines for the actions he knew were criminal.
      Beyond punitive? This is barely a slap on the wrist.

    5. Re:Illegal? Yes. Too harsh? Even more so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      The law says the robocaller can be liable for much more than that. He's getting off easy.

    6. Re:Illegal? Yes. Too harsh? Even more so... by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Unless the scammer made $120M in profits, this goes a little beyond punitive.

      So scam artists who attempt large scale fraud but who fail to make a profit shouldn't be fined?

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    7. Re:Illegal? Yes. Too harsh? Even more so... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I fail to see the problem. Sell his organs for all I care.

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    8. Re:Illegal? Yes. Too harsh? Even more so... by GrumpySteen · · Score: 2

      I don't think you understand what punitive damages are. Fining someone more than the amount of profit they made or damage they did is literally the definition of punitive.

    9. Re:Illegal? Yes. Too harsh? Even more so... by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      Well, if there is no way he's going to be able to pay for $120 Million, then why not just fine him Eleven Skillion Billion dollars?

    10. Re:Illegal? Yes. Too harsh? Even more so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The calling rates are event higher in prisons.

    11. Re:Illegal? Yes. Too harsh? Even more so... by clampolo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Simple punishment. He has to sit in a jail cell and listen to his ad for 100M times before he leaves his cell

    12. Re:Illegal? Yes. Too harsh? Even more so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless the scammer made $120M in profits, this goes a little beyond punitive.

      So scam artists who attempt large scale fraud but who fail to make a profit shouldn't be fined?

      Oh, poor little hysterical ScentCone, pretending that an objection to an excessive fine means something other than what it does.

      Too bad for coy little you, the sentence can be read accurately, and judges have realized that excessive fines and financial penalties are unconstitutional?.

      But go ahead, twitch your little lips, and blubber some more.

  10. Just give me 5 minutes... by drew_92123 · · Score: 1

    Legalize the televised breaking of bones as punishment for scammers then give me 5 minutes and a Louisville Slugger to make an example of this scum bag... calls like these would drop in half overnight.

    1. Re: Just give me 5 minutes... by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      Nah, a baseball bat will just tire you out. A power drill would be much more efficient, and the screams very cathartic

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    2. Re: Just give me 5 minutes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pshhhh that's nothing. Over here we use what's known as a "racist chainsaw"

      When we rev it up it sounds like this: "runnnniggggggerrrrgerrrrrr runnnniggggerrerrrerrgerr"

      Very effective at cutting down brown trees ;)

      No I'm not racist, and yes it's a joke. Oh I forgot to mention I'm half black.

    3. Re:Just give me 5 minutes... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      No. Fists only.

      There's nearly a 100 million who want a piece of him, too. Don't be selfish, learn to share with others.

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    4. Re: Just give me 5 minutes... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      It was still racist. On a scale from black to white, this was at least Mexican.

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    5. Re: Just give me 5 minutes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Definitely racist. Maybe funny, not really.

      Why do people think that because they are x race or have friends in X race they aren't saying something racist ?

    6. Re:Just give me 5 minutes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone gets one free punch :)

  11. Telcos should be slammed for letting it happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Functionality exists within the telephone system to id and block spoofed caller id calls before they get to the subscriber line. Telcos are loathe to spend any cash to shore up security on a system that no longer makes a profit. My local provider responded to complaints with an offer to sell me security features none of which were of any real help.

    1. Re:Telcos should be slammed for letting it happen by stabiesoft · · Score: 2

      T-mo does this now. Dial #662# to enable and #632# to turn it off. Works great. Its free,

    2. Re: Telcos should be slammed for letting it happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      T-mo does this now. Dial #662# to enable and #632# to turn it off. Works great. Its free,

      T-mobile does landlines? Since when?

  12. That's only $1.20 per call by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is not a disincentive if they made more than that.

  13. Re:P R I S O N _ T I M E ? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

    The hell with prison. necklace the bastard on live TV. He deserves it; and it's a valuable message.

  14. Telemarketer cure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get one of these or make your own... https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  15. Best call blocker I've found by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

    It was a text message from straighttalk (my cellphone) I gave it a try, out of my call history it marked many as scammers, robocalls; and caught any calls after that. It can be found here http://extras.straighttalk.com...

    1. Re:Best call blocker I've found by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      I use the app "Truecaller" which does a pretty good job identifying spammers. Unfortunately, a lot of robot callers are just taking the number they're calling and picking 4 random digits to spoof the source which makes them all fairly useless. Fortunately, I don't know anyone that would call from a number like that so I can assume they're all spam

  16. Where are the tampering with infrastrucure charges by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    by falsifying the caller id they were tampering with vital safety infrastructure (911). They should be facing criminal charges.

  17. Oh hi! by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    I was just adjusting my headset. How are you today?

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    1. Re:Oh hi! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just need your credit card number to verify your age, honey.

    2. Re:Oh hi! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please please please find the bitch who recorded the message and take care of her too.

  18. He'll be hired by congress by mnemotronic · · Score: 2

    I'm afraid that we're living in a new age where evil is admired and illegal activity is spun as creative problem solving.

    He's got the infrastructure to do what our duly elected "representatives" want to be illegal for everyone but themselves. I can see a public finger-wagging then a very lucrative job offer from the *.* Nat'l Committee (fill in your favorite party).

    Alternatively, a job with the CIA and unleash his system on the Russians. How'd ya like them apples vladimir.

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  19. Happy Dude At It Again! by Phusion · · Score: 1

    I'll just put this here.. AT-5000 Auto Dialer

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  20. Got One of These Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they caught him, why is this still happening? There must be more than one.

    1. Re:Got One of These Today by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      At that rate? As long as you only have to give part of your loot to the government, and even that only when you get caught, you'd be stupid not to do it.

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  21. Re:P R I S O N _ T I M E ? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Everyone he called has the right to 5 minutes with him. Unsupervised.

    Or is that in violation of the 8th?

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  22. I think he may still be at it by buss_error · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I just received a call a few hours ago with my area code and the same as my trunk (first three digits) offering me something about Hilton. I totally hung up before listening to the scam. But it's interesting that this is still going on. Is it the same guy, or are there copycats now?

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    1. Re:I think he may still be at it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I get a few of these a day, always recordings that never mention company names, just important messages about reducing my electric bill or a special offer from an unspecified resort that I supposedly stayed at recently. Or the recording that starts with a pause and then "Oh, sorry, I had a problem with my headset." One was really desperate to get me to say "yes," it kept asking the same question over and over in different ways with less and less time between the questions in rapid fire mode before hanging up on me. I really need to change my work phone number, nobody legitimate ever calls me anyway.

    2. Re:I think he may still be at it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those calls are trying to get your voiceprint saying "yes".

      They do not use the voiceprint for good.

  23. End Spoofing by dugancent · · Score: 1

    If you have a legitimate need to spoof a number (multiple business lines, etc.), you can get a waiver with a documented reason why. All others, nope.

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  24. Oh so it was this asshole by Pezbian · · Score: 1

    I got a whole bunch of those calls. Sometimes there would be voicemails left and the associated voicemail number wouldn't match that of the incoming call. It was always the same message with the same female voice.

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  25. This asshole called me today (Jun 22) by david.emery · · Score: 1

    Same Area Code and prefix as my cell phone. Caller started talking about vacation, and I hung up immediately.

    So whatever the Feds are doing, IT'S NOT WORKING YET!

  26. Fines? Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And I got one of those robocalls just a few minutes before reading about this.

    Fines? Bullshit. This bastard should be drawn and quartered. Publicly.

    Spam - both email and phone - won't stop until the people who do it start dying for it.

    Unrelated: what the hell is going on with Slashdot's server certificate? "analytics.1010phonerates.com"?

  27. It's very simple. by i286NiNJA · · Score: 1

    If you have nothing else to do then go through the prompts (they're total voice-rec) until you get a person, speak slowly and wait forever. Just annoy the fuck out of them and waste their time.

    This shit will get a lot more expensive for them. I sometimes tell the operator I think there is a government reward if they report them to the government but maybe I'm wrong.

  28. Harsher penalty? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm pretty sure I got a few dozen identical robocalls from this scumbag in the last 9 months, despite immediately blocking every number he called me from. He should go to federal pound me in the ass prison, not white collar resort prison or just a fine.

  29. Re:P R I S O N _ T I M E ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Extradite him to Singapore for some good old fashioned caning.

  30. not related to the companies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the companies were paying him for referrals, that sounds related to me. The companies were paying him to act on their behalf, and should also face fines.

  31. Easy to fix. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whoever places a call, pays the callee (say) a few cents.

    Those who place bulk calls pay lots, those who receive lots of calls make money... to help fund their call centers.. (and reduce service fees elsewhere).

    It'll stop robo calling.

  32. Execute him! by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    I got SOOOO many freaking calls from this assholes. It's time to execute him. We need that much of a chilling effect on this problem. Not even fucking around, half my call volume at my business is spam, scams, and shit like this. HALF. 50% of the time the phone rings, it is a scam. That is UNACCEPTABLE!

  33. Re:P R I S O N _ T I M E ? by clampolo · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's a good first start, but your proposed punishment seems too lenient.

  34. It is 2017 by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

    Why is call spoofing like this still possible? Way to sit back and do nothing telcos. Hard to believe people might want to migrate to an entirely different paradigm. Does anyone know of an Android app that will silently send to voicemail any incoming calls which aren't on my contacts list?

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  35. Not how 911 works by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

    Caller ID is not what 911 uses to track you. It's a separate message you can't spoof called ANI/ALI.

    Now that being said, why can't they use ANI/ALI to actually locate the scammers and go after them?

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  36. Theyv'e got to stop these fake calls by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    I'm getting called constantly by fake caller id's lately. And so are my friends.

    3 to 5 calls a day. They leave voice mail and eat up my voice mail box.

    It's a problem.

    I tried answering, saying hello and then ignoring it to max their downtime.

    lately I just answer then immediately hang up (to prevent the voice mail).

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  37. I'm still getting these calls. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where does the line start to kick this guy in the groin.

  38. Re:P R I S O N _ T I M E ? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

    Improvements are welcomed; though humans have the annoying tendency to fail under load long before justice is done with them.