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The White House Now Has Zero Science Advisors (cbsnews.com)

DogDude shares an article from CBS News: The science division of the White House's Office of Science and Technology Policy was unstaffed as of Friday as the three remaining employees departed this week, sources tell CBS News... On Friday afternoon, Eleanor Celeste, the assistant director for biomedical and forensic sciences at the OSTP, tweeted, "Science division out. Mic drop" before leaving the office for the last time...

Under Mr. Obama, the science division was staffed with nine employees who led the charge on policy issues such as STEM education, biotechnology and crisis response. It's possible that the White House will handle these issues through staff in other divisions within the OSTP.

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  1. The New Formula by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A government of the idiots, by the idiots and for the idiots.

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    1. Re:The New Formula by Archtech · · Score: 5, Interesting

      A government of the idiots, by the idiots and for the idiots.

      More accurately: a government of the people, by the employees of the super-rich, for the super-rich.

      In one word, a plutocracy.

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    2. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A quite sorry, demeaning & undignified depiction of the generous people of the USA.

      Oh sorry, I thought we were talking about the government, not the people.

      For this, you should be ashamed of yourself.

      The only shameful part is not having a representative government.

    3. Re:The New Formula by bogaboga · · Score: 0

      You [Americans]n (assuming you are), are always proud of your system. In fact you're so proud that you at one time shed blood in trying to "export" it to other parts of the world.

      Now, this system, that you're proud of, produces what you do not like and what follows is calling its results names.

      Like my mom used to say: -

      "When you're on the road to Damascus, do not be surprised if you end up in Damascus."

      In short, you chewed it; now swallow it.

    4. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this is good and should not be hidden

    5. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So are we conveniently going to side step the fact it's factually correct?

      No shame in the truth, it will set you free.

    6. Re:The New Formula by JoshuaZ · · Score: 1

      In fairness, this administration did reinstate the National Space Council https://www.geekwire.com/2017/president-trump-signs-executive-order-reactivate-national-space-council/. Unfortunately, it appears that they aren't going to do much and what is on their agenda is at best deeply misguided.

    7. Re:The New Formula by TuckerBag · · Score: 0

      The only shameful part is not having a representative government.

      Sure. But the one thing that DT does well, is,... represent the people that voted him in. ;-)

    8. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's not ashamed of himself, just of all the demeaning and undignified Americans who voted for The Trump.

    9. Re:The New Formula by RazorSharp · · Score: 1

      the generous people of the USA

      Based on this comment, I assume you've never been to the U.S., as generosity is far from being a common quality here.

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    10. Re:The New Formula by JustNiz · · Score: 0

      Because Clinton would have been so much better?

    11. Re: The New Formula by WarJolt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The government is there to serve the people. It's progressively become more about leading the people.

      There are plenty generous scientists in public and private institutions that can do the proper research, so that the government can be accurately informed.

      If DT had science advisors they would simply serve his agenda anyway. The same stuff happens with Democrats.

      Let the thinking happen outside of government. Pubic universities are a exception because they have some amount of autonomy from the government political bull shit. Professors don't have to worry about reelection. There are plenty of private institutions that don't have political agendas as well. Keep the government serving the people. Not leading it.

      That means limiting the power of the President. Democrats and Republicans in all branches of government don't have to represent anyone when you let loose the reins.

    12. Re:The New Formula by RazorSharp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You [Americans]n (assuming you are), are always proud of your system.

      Your whole post relies on this incorrect generalization. While it may be true for some, it's not true for the whole. While some Americans shed blood attempting to export our political system, others protested both the shedding of blood and the political system itself.

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    13. Re:The New Formula by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 1

      where idiot = someone who doesn't think like me. And once you cast out the first batch as idiots, among those who remain you will pretty soon find those who still don't think like you, so you'll cast out those idiots too, and then you'll repeat, and repeat... until only one remains. It's a lonely, tortured world.

    14. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, even if you didn't vote for him you can't deny that nearly 50% of the vote went to him. You can't deny that a huge number of your people didn't get up to vote against him.

      Pretty much all of his stupid policies were "on record" beforehand. Anti science was very high on the agenda and has been proven over and over... If you still think he has value: "Rick Perry sec. of oops".

      His voters are clearly "low information voters". Stupid might be aiming low but they are clearly misinformed on very basic facts in reality...

    15. Re:The New Formula by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      YES.

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    16. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      generous people of the USA? LOL that is actually the funniest thing i have ever read on slashdot so bravo for that.

      GENEROUS!! lol

        i think the world sees you as greedy, vane mass murderers that will step on anyone or anything in their way.

    17. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From an outside-the-country perspective, we thought it WAS representative.

    18. Re:The New Formula by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      A quite sorry, demeaning & undignified depiction of the generous people of the USA.

      For this, you should be ashamed of yourself.

      I'm not sure if you're talking about the comment of the GP or about the people of the USA themselves who voted for idiots.

    19. Re: The New Formula by gtall · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is no clear line between serving and leading. An example is EPA and the Superfund cleanups. If we were to wait until the "people" figured out what to do, we'd still be waiting. You forget private institutions have their own biases. Care to call the tobacco industry fair minded and interested in the public weal?

    20. Re: The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The government is there to serve the people. It's progressively become more about leading the people.

      Sometimes service can include direction.

      There are plenty generous scientists in public and private institutions that can do the proper research, so that the government can be accurately informed.

      That are plenty of scurrilous scientists in public and private institutions that can do misleading research to misinform the public.

      If DT had science advisors they would simply serve his agenda anyway.

      If Donald Trump only has science advisers who tell him what he wants to hear, that is a problem.

      The same stuff happens with Democrats.

      So you believe.

      Let the thinking happen outside of government.

      And in what way, will a President having scientists to advise him deter and prevent such thinking?

      Pubic universities are a exception because they have some amount of autonomy from the government political bull shit.

      Ok, that's a vote for having public universities exist with some autonomy then?

      Professors don't have to worry about reelection.

      Professors =/= scientists.

      There are plenty of private institutions that don't have political agendas as well.

      There are plenty of private institutions that do have political agendas as well.

      Keep the government serving the people. Not leading it.

      And how do you suggest that?

      That means limiting the power of the President.

      Nothing we're discussing here is about that, we're talking about the President having advisers to give him well, advice.

      Democrats and Republicans in all branches of government don't have to represent anyone when you let loose the reins.

      And you plan to help this by getting rid of the scientists in the government how?

    21. Re:The New Formula by gtall · · Score: 1

      Yep, that's pretty much the Trump argument: I'm better than she is. That's some political straw man you have there.

    22. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      No shame in the truth, it will set you free.

      "The Truth" is a Jewish conspiracy. The Jews invented the idea of one God, and the truth is what God sees. Before that, there were multiple "truths", and in much of the world, there still are.

      Support Trump's stand against the Jews, Truth, and ultimately against Reality itself! Fight for the right to insanity! [ramble, ramble, mumble mumble] Nurse!

    23. Re: The New Formula by avatar+avatar · · Score: 2

      "...Professors don't have to worry about reelection..." After they're tenured, correct. Until then, not so much.

    24. Re: The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

    25. Re:The New Formula by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      I remind you that the "idiots" voted for the OTHER PERSON!

    26. Re: The New Formula by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Some of us are still waiting, not all Superfund cleanups are funded.

    27. Re: The New Formula by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      Unproven and by prior example, False!!

    28. Re:The New Formula by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      Yes, I'm sure Clinton would have had a negative number of scientists. At least Trump has it holding steady at zero.

    29. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Uh, no. The idiots voted for trump. They are stupid because they still approve of him despite his every attempt to gouge them and take away what he promised they'd be getting more of so that he can get cashback from his presidency as well as all his elitist friends, and despite having populated the whitehouse WITH the swamp rather than draining it.

      So, yes, the idiots DID vote for trump.

    30. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound like someone who's never been outside the US.

    31. Re:The New Formula by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      From an outside-the-country perspective, we thought it WAS representative.

      Yes, but representative of what?

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    32. Re:The New Formula by JustNiz · · Score: 0

      Its no straw man, its basic logic to vote for the better (or at least, least worst) candidate.
      Clearly democrats don't even understand that its not actually all about who is most peecee.

    33. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does Ronald Reagan, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Donald Trump have in common...they were all ACTORS!

    34. Re:The New Formula by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

      Hell, that's not new. The only novel thing with this is how obvious they're being about it.

      That's not even new, it's just a recent resurgence of willful ignorance.

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    35. Re:The New Formula by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Clinton would have just hired anyone she could buy off to further her own agenda. Personally I'd rather have zero than that.

    36. Re:The New Formula by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 0, Troll

      The US is either in first or second place in terms of genorosity and charitable giving. The top European country is the UK, in 8th. The US is actually quite generous, even going so far as to sacrifice thousands of soldier's lives to protect the oil supplies for Japan, China, India, and Europe by fighting wars in the Middle East.

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    37. Re:The New Formula by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2, Informative

      When it comes to shedding blood to export our system to other nations, we're rank amateurs compared to the old colonial powers of Europe. You know, the ones who instititionalized slavery in the Americas and most of the rest of the world, who set up Apartheid, genocide, and fanned the flames of two world wars (and the resulting communist revolutions) that killed hundreds of millions of people.

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    38. Re:The New Formula by JustNiz · · Score: 0

      wrong.

    39. Re:The New Formula by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      What's this horrible-sounding "agenda" you guys are always referring to? And does Trump have one? Just wondering.

    40. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MAGA ... Morons Are Governing America

    41. Re: The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh really? Now watch these "idiots" steam roll over your economy. Last time I checked we lead science.

    42. Re:The New Formula by crashumbc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You don't believe that? do you? wow....

      FYI, there's so much "charitable" giving in the US because we don't take care of basic needs...

    43. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It certainly is representative of whatever fear can be prodded every 4 years by whatever group can raise enough funds to advertise on enough screens.

      That's democracy for you. A tyranny of the majority of stupids.

    44. Re: The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      I realize that you were trying to be funny / smarmy.

      As a (gay) jew, I felt like an enemy to the Obama administration. They supported and condoned people who want me dead. They constantly blew the "Anti Isreal Not Anti Jew" dog whistle, culminating in the disgusting joinder between his administration and Iran... A country who literally has codified murdering Jews (and gays, and non-believers, and uppity women) into their barbaric laws.

      You try to associate Trump with antisemitism, but he isn't. In fact, I feel more safe and proud of my country under him than any other time in my life.

      Yes, he's a vulgar, bragging asshole... But he's also honest about where he stands. When he says that he stands with the Jews, unlike Obama (who didn't), I know that he does. His actions speak more loudly than your lies.

    45. Re: The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhh, you are demonstrably wrong.

      Americans donate more to charity worldwide than any other nation on earth.

    46. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Seriously, even if you didn't vote for him you can't deny that nearly 50% of the vote went to him."

      Thank god, what would have happened if he'd have gotten MORE votes than his opponent?!?

      Think about how silly it is that a person can win an election to run an entire country, without getting more votes than his opponent.

      And spare me the concerns of the 18th century which encouraged the electoral college, thank you. It's 2017.

    47. Re:The New Formula by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 0, Troll

      What data do you have to the contrary? I posted my sources... And what basic needs do we not take care of? We spend approximately $2.7 trillion a year on social services, for a population of 330 million. Assuming that the bottom 25% are the ones that need help, that's about $32,000 per person. If we're not getting our value's worth for the spending - then it's probably NOT the level of spending but how it's being spent and managed..

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    48. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A government of the idiots, by the idiots and for the idiots.

      It appears that Trump's mental health may really be in question. Is there no one that can order him to sit a professional exam with a team of non partisan psychiatrists?

      I'm not fan of pence either. He might get all kinds of things I hate done, but he does appear to at least be mentally stable and at this point that is looking like an improvement. We can't have all this crap going on in a rather dangerous world and have someone mentally unfit in charge. This time it may be a hell of a lot worse than 9/11.

      They attacked Obama for everything they could possibly think to do so, real or imagined, and he didn't once loose his cool or act unpresidential. Hell his biggest mistake might have been the red line with no response. His options sucked then and they still do, but responding was required. Beyond that he didn't make the personal relationships required to get some things done, but then half the congress was perfectly fine with whatever shit was being shoveled, including by the chief birther who strangely enough became our president. Trump is still attacking Obama with made up crap left/right and center and Obama doesn't even respond, which I think is a mistake, but it is a hell of a lot better than Trump's actions.

      Trump has gotten around the world something like a 22% approval rating. The only country that likes him is Russia, and that is because Putin is propping up his investment there, most likely in the hope that he can last long enough to do a lot more damage to our country.

      The US is supposed to be the leader of the free world, but right now we are anything but... Not leading on the climate. Not leading in equality (muslim ban), Not leading in opportunity (mexicans are rapists and we must build a wall), Not leading on health care (going backward), Not leading on science (the office in the white house now has 0 staff.), Not leading on Innovation (coal appears to get more support than newer techologies), Not leading on the environment ( rolling back regulations left and right, without even any real analysis if it is a good idea), Not leading on transparency (no tax returns, still taking money at trump properties, no real divestment, tax cuts planned will likely directly benefit Trump and his companies, health care bill created in secret, limiting video and time at daily briefs, saying questions will be answered but never actually answering them.)

      Hell about the only thing the current admin is leading on is bullshit. In that we have made America #1. It is all rather sad.

    49. Re:The New Formula by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Funny thing about it... USA has dropped thrice the amount of ordnance on Vietnam and Laos than what was used in the whole WW2. The Vietnamese were lucky that Americans sucked at targeting (and still do).

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    50. Re:The New Formula by Bender+Unit+22 · · Score: 1

      We assume that the 45% we pay in taxes, 25% sales tax etc to the welfare state takes care of things.

      If it works is another discussion. :)

    51. Re:The New Formula by dunkelfalke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Stop drinking the KoolAid. USA protects oil supplies for themselves only. And before you blabber about "but but but we don't import oil from the Middle East": oil market is a global commodity market and it matters fuck all whence a country imports its oil. If a country in the Middle East stops pumping it out of the ground, your gas prices will soar. And as for fighting wars in the Middle East: most of them are the ones you have started in first place.

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    52. Re:The New Formula by shanen · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but I must beg to disagree. It's government of the corporations, by the lawyers, for the richest 0.1%. At least that's what #PresidentTweety says he remembers hearing Abe Lincoln say on the tape recording. Notwithstanding, he REALLY thinks it's government of the Donald, by the Donald, for the Donald, but I'm betting that Amazon, the google, Apple, Microsoft, Goldman Sachs, and all their little friends will eventually put Trump in his place.

      The idiots? No one cares about the idiots. Especially not the idiots who voted for the idiot Donald.

      Latest proof of idiocy? The calls to (and from) the White House are traceable (and almost certainly recorded in full). Trump just lied that Scarborough called him first (so it isn't blackmail or abuse of power or any of those other sordid things), but any fool can check the phone records and determine that Trump is lying. Again.

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    53. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
      Speaking of low information...

      And spare me the concerns of the 18th century which encouraged the electoral college, thank you. It's 2017.

      Speaking of wilfully low information...

    54. Re:The New Formula by shanen · · Score: 2

      Again, I have to disagree (though I'm repeating myself). America has become a government of the corporations, by the lawyers, for the richest 0.1%. You're going in the right direction in the last two parts, but I have doubts about the last one. If corporate cancerism finally triumphs, it might be reduced all the way to the richest person.

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    55. Re:The New Formula by shanen · · Score: 1

      A rapid DOG or even YOU would have been much better than #PresidentTweety.

      No, I am NOT trying to engage you in dialog. I only have one question for you. Are you sincerely so stupid, just proudly ignorant, or paid to fake it?

      Actually, I suppose there's a follow up question if you pick the third option: Who do you think is paying you?

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    56. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Who are the real "low information voters"?

      Anyone who voted up your post which is just a bunch of lies and bogus allegations.

    57. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The people of the USA should be ashamed of themselves for having elected that idiot.

    58. Re: The New Formula by RazorSharp · · Score: 1

      I guess I'm demonstrably wrong if that's how you define generosity. I don't, especially when you consider how many billionaires form charities as tax shelters, how many companies use charities as marketing schemes, and how many charities exist as nothing but a business for those who run them.

      Is it really generosity if there's no altruism? Selfish generosity is just selfishness.

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    59. Re: The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It ia however quite accurate, no matter how demeaning you may find it.

    60. Re:The New Formula by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The Vietnamese were lucky that Americans sucked at targeting (and still do).

      We salted the earth in Vietnam in the modern fashion: with dioxin and land mines. And defense contractors get paid no matter who we bomb, or how effectively...

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    61. Re:The New Formula by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      A quite sorry, demeaning & undignified depiction of the generous people of the USA.

      For this, you should be ashamed of yourself.

      "For the idiots" implies that the current administration is not operating for the benefit of the American people, but a much smaller set of idiots and cronies.

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    62. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      even a moderately paced dog

    63. Re: The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No one said Trump was a Antisemite. His advisories and appointees however, are well known for blatant examples of it. Personally I don't give a fuck about that part of the world. Ditto on "the gays" and commies, etc. What hitler did was bad, sure, it now much of a direct impact on me.

      I'm white, and I have a couple extra bucks. But I'm young enough that the damage this grifter is doing is negatively impacting even my future. Hes making the world more dangerous, faster. He is a con man who employs many, though not exclusively, other cons. Even his friend Howard Stern is admitting that Trumps psyche is cracking more and more.

      The man is a danger to himself and others.

    64. Re: The New Formula by dougdonovan · · Score: 1

      trump isnt really into science. hes into reality so...

    65. Re: The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Informing the willful ignorant will require more than science.

    66. Re:The New Formula by lucm · · Score: 1

      Anyone who voted up your post which is just a bunch of lies and bogus allegations.

      Apparently you're not only one of them "low information voters", you're also promoting ignorance.

      Time for you to learn.

      - Bill Clinton pardoned two terrorists who were responsible (among other things) of killing two cops.

      An unusual combination of New York political and law enforcement leaders have condemned former President Bill Clinton's pardon of Susan L. Rosenberg, a one-time member of the Weather Underground terrorist group who was charged in the notorious 1981 Brink's robbery in Rockland County that left a guard and two police officers dead.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2001/01...

      - Bill Clinton also pardoned 16 Puerto Rican terrorists, two of which refused his pardon.

      On August 11, 1999, Clinton commuted the sentences of 16 members of FALN, which is a Puerto Rican paramilitary organization that set off 120 bombs in the United States, mostly in New York City and Chicago. There were convictions for conspiracy to commit robbery, bomb-making, and sedition, as well as firearms and explosives violations.[

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      - The Clintons stole furniture from the White House and returned some of it to avoid further lawsuits.

      The Clinton White House furnishings in question, which were donated in 1993, included two sofas, an easy chair and an ottoman, worth $19,900, from Steve Mittman; a kitchen table and four chairs, valued at $3,650, from Lee Ficks; a $2,843 sofa from Brad Noe; $1,170 in lamps from Stuart Schiller; and a $1,000 needlepoint rug from David Martinous, according to the Post.
      Mittman, Noe and Joy Ficks, the widow of Lee Ficks, told the Post that their donations were gifts to the White House, not the Clintons. The contributions were intended to complement a 1993 White House redecoration project.

      http://www.factcheck.org/2016/...

      and it was apparently not enough because Hilary did it again when she was Secretary of State.

      The ex-agent told the FBI that they were aware of Clinton or her aides 'removing lamps and furniture from the State Department which were transported to her residence in Washington, D.C.'

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...

      - Bill Clinton has a history of rapes (he settled on the most famous one) and Hillary has a history of covering up his actions.

      Bill Clinton raped me, and Hillary Clinton threatened me

      http://www.npr.org/2016/10/09/...

      - Hillary Clinton got caught lying many times

      She said when she arrived in Bosnia on March 25, 1996, "I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."

      But news video footage of her arrival at Tuzla shows Clinton, then the first lady, calmly walking from the rear ramp of a U.S. Air Force plane with her daughter, Chelsea, then 16, at her side. Both Clintons held their heads up and did not appear rushed.

      The video shows Clinton spending several minutes talking with the group, including an 8-year-old Bosnian girl who presented her with a poem, and later greeting U.S. troops.

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    67. Re: The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol. Literally none of this is true.

    68. Re: The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Our voting boundaries are exceptionally creative. So creative it doesn't matter for the most part who votes. The thumb is on the scale. The current party just happened to be in control as the practice has been perfected. The other side was attempting to do the same.

      Meanwhile this fact gets glazed over and minimized. The vote is stolen.

    69. Re: The New Formula by meglon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So you agree with all the neo-Nazi's in this country that Trump is a great savior for the white man. Think about that.

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    70. Re:The New Formula by bongey · · Score: 0

      Number ONE IDIOT left the white house in Jan 20, 2017. Basically every single one of his "accomplishments" is going to be undone, every single one. Obama has no idea what "peaceful transition of power" means,no former president in history basically is still trying to be the president.

    71. Re:The New Formula by meglon · · Score: 1

      Who are the real "low information voters"?

      Stupid fucking conspiracy theory twats like you.

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    72. Re:The New Formula by meglon · · Score: 1

      Democrats understand not to be gullible little idiots like republicans are. You fucking conservatives are nothing more than enemies of the United States.

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    73. Re:The New Formula by meglon · · Score: 1

      Again, you're a fucking conspiracy theory twat. You lying sacks of shit are the prob;lem in this country.... you're too fucking stupid to learn anything, and you're completely divorced from reality... yet you keep flapping your mouth, spewing out more lies. What worthless examples of humanity you are.

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    74. Re: The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Giving money to other countries on the proviso they then use that money to buy your weapons also counts as "aid" in the figures.

    75. Re: The New Formula by CGordy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Iran is (unfairly) vilified in the US press, ever since the overthrow of the Shah. The reality is, Saudi Arabia is far more repressive and brutal towards minorities, but because they are a US ally it is ignored.

      On a personal note, I know plenty of Iranian women. Most of them I would argue are "uppity", but they also happily travel back to Iran every year or two on holidays.

    76. Re:The New Formula by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      Well, the fact that they're always celebrating when scientists get fired tells you what they think of objective reality- that it doesn't really exist, except as some sort of overlap between red-team / blue-team alternate realities, where the cat is both dead and alive. I used to be a Republican until I got chased out of the party by these numbskulls. Now that 90% of scientists are Democrats, whether originally or after being exiled, they're accusing the entire profession of being part of some grand liberal conspiracy. And now the press (i.e. the "Lugenpresse") is getting the same treatment.

    77. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's this horrible-sounding "agenda" you guys are always referring to? And does Trump have one? Just wondering.

      Amusing...

      The republican party is excellent when it comes to ginning up hate. They have spent decades going after the Clintons, and it has worked, even if most of it is baseless. I for one am so getting tired of the latest, but they killed xyz conspiracy theory.

      I definitely don't hold democrats blameless, but the bulk of why Trump won, was not Russia, though they did their best, the bulk of why Trump won is because the republican party seems to have a dearth of truly good men and women in it. With Early trump you had those he was fighting, usually with schoolyard names and cheap bullying and those who he was not. The ones he was not were just waiting for Trump to implode so they could take advantage.

      We as a people need to use the brains gifted to us at birth to discover truth and make better decisions. One thing that might save us is to improve our voting process to allow runoffs or ranked voting. I'd given every dollar I had in the bank if doing so would allow that to happen, even though it would stop me from finishing this addition.

      Trump is the ultimate symptom of how first past the post voting can fail epically, but then again, we as a people failed to. You had experience and ability vs bullshit, and now our country is turning to shit by someone who can't stop talking it.

      Trump is the undisputed king of bullshit mountain.

    78. Re:The New Formula by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean, the US self reports as being very generous as shown by LynnwoodRooster, who considers destabilizing, and killing 100's of thousands in the middle east to advance its interests as an act of generosity.
      Generosity at the best of times is hard to measure, but relying on phoning people up and asking them if they're generous seems like one of the worst ways to do it. Both the person who volunteers at a soup kitchen and the person who volunteers to join the KKK and lynch someone and the person who feels they have to contribute to their church, which is working to remove basic human rights, report the same. The millionaire who donates a dollar and the homeless person who splits his last dollar with his friends report donating and we have you who considers America killing people to prop up the petrol dollar as generous.

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    79. Re: The New Formula by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      Some of us are still waiting, not all Superfund cleanups are funded.

      Superfund is largely funded through proving responsibility for environmental disasters, and through the law making the responsible parties pay (some multiple of actual cleanup costs).

      So, Superfund gets to contamination sites as it is able. They can't do them all at once. (I figure they have an 'impact list' or something that ranks who they go after after a victory.)

      DISCLOSURE: Brother works for EPA on Superfund.

    80. Re:The New Formula by J+Story · · Score: 1

      A government of the idiots, by the idiots and for the idiots.

      Given Trump's penchant for conferring with CEOs and movers and shakers, it's more likely that his administration is using "big league" advisors, rather than ordinary policy wonks.

    81. Re: The New Formula by dbIII · · Score: 1, Funny

      The government is there to serve the people

      To Putin?
      On a plate?

    82. Re: The New Formula by dbIII · · Score: 1

      They supported and condoned people who want me dead

      They gave how much money and material military support to Israel? It's the exact opposite of what you say whining AC. Obama and many before supported and condoned killing the people who want you dead and supplied the weapons for free.
      Sorry little whiner on welfare playing the race card, but in reality every US administration for decades has been doing the exact opposite and paying an utter fortune to do the exact opposite of what you claim.
      I'm quite fond of Israel and support giving aid no matter who is running the place and no matter how badly. Whining "poor winners" not so much.

    83. Re:The New Formula by dbIII · · Score: 1

      What's this horrible-sounding "agenda" you guys are always referring to

      The democracy and republic agenda instead of a King guided by the wisdom of his good friend Vladimir.

    84. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okeydokey. Go through her position statements on science/technology vs Trump's executive actions/inactions.

      How wouldn't she have been better than an antivaxer who wants to gut research (NSF, NIH, NOAA) spending?

    85. Re:The New Formula by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 4, Informative

      What data do you have to the contrary? ...what basic needs do we not take care of?

      https://web.stanford.edu/class...

      Every other advanced industrial nation has virtually universal access to decent medical care, at much lower cost than in the United States.

    86. Re: The New Formula by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 1

      I totally agree that oil wars shouldn't count, but I think I'm ok with the link given about generosity survey. There's all kinds of corruption everywhere, so false positives in the other countries, and I'm sure there's examples of people forgetting that they contributed so false negatives too. My point is, what better measure is there? Where's your numbers?

    87. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      was not Russia, though they did their best,

      Sour.....You know what, we all know it's bullshit. You know it's bullshit. Hell, the 150k names that aren't supposed to be on the voter roll in Rhode Island know it's bullshit.

      (my source, BTW; http://www.providencejournal.com/news/20170628/150000-names-erroneously-on-ri-voting-lists)

      But..... why do you still believe it? Do you look like an idiot prepping for Cold War v2 and now you need validation to look less like a fool?

    88. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with that is while Clinton may have been a worse person (debatable), trump is a psychopath with dictator tendancies. At least with Clinton her party would have exerted some influence. Trump is just fucking insane.

    89. Re: The New Formula by dougdonovan · · Score: 1

      this is way past earlier today.

    90. Re:The New Formula by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      If I move from state to state, my name might be on the rolls in both states until the next census. Does that automatically mean that in the state I moved from, some Mexican hopped into line showing a fake ID with my name on it? That's pretty fucking demented.

    91. Re: The New Formula by Comen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The same stuff happens with Democrats.

      Not really, it seems to me Republicans hate Government and want to make it smaller, so that it gets out of the way of the companies making money, so they purposely put people in charge that are bad at the position and want it to fail, sometimes these people are even outspoken about not liking the section of government they manage. There is always and will always be corruption in government because money corrupts. But I do not see both sides the same at all.

    92. Re:The New Formula by quax · · Score: 1

      That's all you have left, isn't it? The fact that he pisses of liberals.

      Probably would shoot yourself in the foot if you thought it'll upset a snowflake.

      Maybe you should try that.

      No longer living in the US I find the whole thing extremely entertaining.

      Trump's antics always made me laugh - still do. He is such an absurdity in the flesh.

    93. Re: The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder how deep the right indoctrination goes... Probably right from rectum and up to the ears.

    94. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every other advanced industrial nation has virtually universal access to decent medical care, at much lower cost than in the United States.

      "Decent"? I don't think it means what you think it means.

      A baby is condemned to death by socialized medicine

    95. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We saw it comming since Reagan?

    96. Re:The New Formula by Evtim · · Score: 1

      It's not sad, it's hilarious ;)

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    97. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny thing about it... USA has dropped thrice the amount of ordnance on Vietnam and Laos than what was used in the whole WW2. The Vietnamese were lucky that Americans sucked at targeting (and still do).

      Before the US created guided munitions, there was no "collateral damage" headlines. There was no outrage over a few civilians killed in a warzone with daily and weekly numbers displayed in the news. Thousands of civilians dying during a bombing raid of one factory was just the cost of war.

      During Vietnam, that form of ordinance was in its infancy and there were few specific targets, just endless jungle. To ignore the countless innocent lives saved throughout conflicts since, even in conflicts the US was not at all a part of, is a damning condemnation of your valuing human life and the efforts of engineers attempting to reduce civilian deaths.

    98. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you mean, the US self reports as being very generous as shown by LynnwoodRooster, who considers destabilizing, and killing 100's of thousands in the middle east to advance its interests as an act of generosity.

      You seem to be terribly confused on multiple levels. Saddam's invasion of Iran and then Kuwait did plenty to destabilize the region and resulted in at least two wars. Iran's meddling has caused enormous grief in Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, and other places. The overthrow of the Afghan king followed by the invasion of Afghanistan by the Soviet Union helped spark and spread militant Islamic extremism. Saddam killed far more of his people than the US led coalition, and most of the people killed in Iraq during the coalition presence there were kill by Sunni and Shia Islamic extremists & terrorists, or Saddam's dead enders. The US led coalition killed relatively few itself, mainly terrorists, insurgents, and other bad actors.

      The extraordinary generosity of ordinary Americans

      ‘The Almanac of American Philanthropy” is something new under the sun: a sweeping reference guide to one of the most remarkable institutions of American life — private charity. Published by the Philanthropy Roundtable, and running more than 1,300 pages, it is the first definitive work on the history, variety, and impact of private giving in the United States.

      The scope of American philanthropy is unparalleled anywhere on Earth. In 2014, Americans gave nearly $360 billion to charity, the highest total ever recorded. Most of it didn’t come from plutocrats and vast charitable endowments. Though the good works of private foundations, such as the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation or the Ford Foundation, draw plenty of notice, they account for only 14 percent of charitable giving in this country. And just 5 percent comes from corporations.

      The overwhelming share of that $360 billion is donated by individuals. Not everyone gives, of course, but in this country those who don’t are decidedly in the minority. Nearly seven out of 10 American households donate to at least one charitable cause each year, at an average annual rate of about $2,600. Philanthropic giving is a quintessentially American behavior, and always has been. It is also a radiant example of American exceptionalism. The new Almanac ranks 14 leading industrial countries by the amount of charity their citizens give yearly (calculated as a percentage of GDP). Americans were by far the most charitable — roughly twice as generous as Canadians, Spaniards, and the Irish, for instance, and more than 20 times as apt to give as Germans and Italians.

      A Closer Look at American Generosity

    99. Re:The New Formula by Ichijo · · Score: 1

      It appears that Trump's mental health may really be in question. Is there no one that can order him to sit a professional exam with a team of non partisan psychiatrists?

      Do you think his supporters would believe the results?

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    100. Re:The New Formula by Archtech · · Score: 1

      You [Americans] (assuming you are), are always proud of your system. In fact you're so proud that you at one time shed blood in trying to "export" it to other parts of the world.

      http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/...

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    101. Re:The New Formula by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      SO MUCH WINNING!

    102. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When it comes to shedding blood to export our system to other nations, we're rank amateurs compared to the old colonial powers of Europe.

      So it's OK for you to do what the Europeans used to do - but you get mightily upset when [some people claiming to act in the name of] Islam does what Christianity used to do...

    103. Re: The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Under-five mortality rate, per 1000 live births:
      US 6.4
      UK 4.2

      The baby in the silly report you cite would have no chance anywhere.

    104. Re: The New Formula by bestweasel · · Score: 1

      The US is more generous than you suggest, even going so far as to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of civilian lives to protect something or other, though no-one's quite sure what now.

    105. Re: The New Formula by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Too bad this was posted AC, and that I'm out of mod points.

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    106. Re: The New Formula by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      Insightful mod for a "Jew" who can't spell "Israel"?

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    107. Re: The New Formula by quantaman · · Score: 1

      There are plenty generous scientists in public and private institutions that can do the proper research, so that the government can be accurately informed.

      And how is the government supposed to get accurately informed without scientific advisors who are informed about that research?

      If DT had science advisors they would simply serve his agenda anyway.

      I once heard of a doctor who amputated the wrong limb.

      It doesn't mean people shouldn't see doctors.

      Keep the government serving the people. Not leading it.

      It's a nice catchphrase, but I have no idea what it means.

      That means limiting the power of the President. Democrats and Republicans in all branches of government don't have to represent anyone when you let loose the reins.

      A less powerful government is still a government that needs information to act competently.

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    108. Re:The New Formula by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2
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    109. Re: The New Formula by k2r · · Score: 0

      Does "charitable cause" include giving money to a "church" ?

    110. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When it comes to shedding blood to export our system to other nations, we're rank amateurs compared to the old colonial powers of Europe.

      So America is currently at least a century behind the times? With Trump steering its future you guys are soon going to be the envy of any third world nation.

      You know, the ones who instititionalized slavery in the Americas and most of the rest of the world, ...

      With America taking its sweet time to catch up when it came to get rid of those concepts.

      and fanned the flames of two world wars (and the resulting communist revolutions) that killed hundreds of millions of people.

      The Japanese come to mind as one of many groups that would want a word with you about the definition of a world war. Unless you are living under the impression that Japan is a European country?

    111. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the old colonial powers of Europe. You know, the ones who instititionalized slavery in the Americas and most of the rest of the world

      Slavery was an institution in Africa well before European powers got in on the slave trade. It was an institution in the Americas, too: the Aztecs used to go to war to capture slaves, or just for mass ritual sacrifices.

      Europeans of the 18th and 19th century fell short of modern moral standards - but they came closer than anyone else in the world at the time. Which shouldn't be surprising, given that our moral standards are derived from theirs.

    112. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the truth that will set you free and factually correct was the initial statement -> A government of the idiots, by the idiots and for the idiots.

    113. Re: The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to wake up and realise that Trump is hated by most people in the US and far more outside the US. Ergo any support he puts behind Israelis...or worse yet, jews (as that is a religious stance) will make jews more hated than before.

      (not forgetting the renewed push for - according to Israel's supreme court - illegal settlements.

      I'd also digress as to you being a gay jew. It is often the case that israelis do not understand that being a jew is a self-proclaimed adherance to judaism. According to judaism sexual relations between two men are punishable by death. (brought to you by the good book, the old testament)

      So further to the above I would suggest to you that as the old testament will not be revised to conveniently allow for your choice of lifestyle you should consider your belief system more carefully.

      A gay jew is like a muslim alcohol. How can one be a muslim when his very faith forbids drinking alcohol? - I find the most religious people are not at all religious they just cherry pick what they like about their religion as it gives them a sense of identity.

      So back to feeling safe, as a gay jew you should be shitting your pants every time the right gain more power in Israel - they hate gay people. Go to the so called "holy city" and proclaim yourself gay before all your alleged fellow jews, we all know how friendly that will be...

      Obama was fair to Israel. He followed more european values and of course a guidance by facts. What he personally wanted we will never know. On the other hand Trump flies off the handle any time he dislikes something so yes we know where he stands on many things...and I shudder to think that the person holding the world's most powerful political office is so easily swayed by impulse and twitter tirades.

      Good luck to you, "(gay) jew".

    114. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have my sympathies, your comment is very stupid, but defending Trump is a hard job, at least you tried.
      But I've got bad news for you, your job is going to keep getting harder and harder.
      But don't give up, you can do it, I believe in you.

    115. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I move from state to state, my name might be on the rolls in both states until the next census. Does that automatically mean that in the state I moved from, some Mexican hopped into line showing a fake ID with my name on it? That's pretty fucking demented.

      I'm not sure which post your replying to, but obviously not. The purpose of the request is to be able to gin up some numbers, based off ideas like you just made that support the vote fraud bullshit. It is really quite simple

      1. Create a fear of voting fraud when none exists.
      2. Use that to institute actual voting restrictions which block more of the wrong kind of voter
      3. Win more elections and blame your losses and if you fail go back to 1.

      So in short the ultimate goal of those citing voting fraud that doesn't exist in significant amounts is to create that voting fraud by denying in a disproportionate way those that might vote for the other side. It is just an add on to how they do redistricting. It is a way to game the system so a minority control the majority. Hell in that fact it is much like the electoral college.

      Good is seldom born out of lies. Thanks to the lying sack of crap in the oval office, we have a government:
      1. That has lost respect throughout the world.
      2. That is openly attacking science. [Remember they don't care about facts, just winning, much like our president.]
      3. Is poised to destroy the health insurance many depend upon, and likely will do so even if only by introducing so much uncertainty that it collapses.
      4. May start a war with North Korea just to try to avoid getting dragged down by his own lies.
      5. Openly and repeatedly and frequently lies his ass off about our country being attacked by Russia in the election, and in so doing so completely fails to prepare our country to whether another attack.
      6. Is openly using the government to make money for himself.
      7. Fired the guy investigating him and his team, and them blatantly admitted why he did it.

      I'm honestly unsure whether or not Trump is being blackmailed by the Russians. You can possibly explain his actions by the simple conclusion that if he admits anything they did then he indirectly undermines himself, so he instead deliberately does nothing, even though the Russian's will use our lack of preparation to attack us again.

      In short the Russian's found a candidate so perfect they don't have to blackmail him to do what they want. He sells his country out free of charge in what will likely be a failed attempt to protect himself. Trump is like an anti patriot. Everything is about what is best for Trump, regardless of the collateral damage.

    116. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look, if it upsets you that much, post your address and I'll be glad to mail you a hanky. A nice pink one to go with your politics.

      Isn't it curious that Trump doesn't argue the facts when people go against him, instead as demonstrated by this msnbc mika thing, he throws baseless personal attacks. Why do I care if a reporter had a facelift? I don't.

      Similarly you have a person here who hasn't really defended any position with facts, but has instead just tried for a quick generic tired insult.

    117. Re:The New Formula by gtall · · Score: 1

      Pence mentally stable? If believing in a sky-god that will come back to save the world if we fuck it up too much is mentally stable, then Pence is an island of stability in the swamp that is Trump.

    118. Re:The New Formula by gtall · · Score: 2

      Conferring my ass. Those corporate types are sharks to Trump's minnow mentality. They are playing him for the doofus he really is. The only conferring going on is Trump begging for their acceptance because deep down he's a 5-year old needy brat.

    119. Re:The New Formula by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      More like a sadly accurate depiction. This is the latest milepost on the road to mediaevalism.

      A Republican congressman who sits on the science committee of the House of Representatives has dismissed evolution, the Big Bang theory and embryology as "lies straight from the pit of hell".

      The Guardian, reporting on Congressman Paul Broun 4 years ago. Emphasis mine.

      It's always been a Conservative point of pride in the USA to say that "Well, I'm not one of them pointy-headed Liberal Intellectual Elites, I'm just plain folks", but Trump, who prefers to be one of the Financial Elites instead and only "plain folks" when he's selling something, has slammed the government into reverse gear. Promoting coal mining when even the miners and mine-owners want to move to more modern industries. Appointing opponents of government programs to head those programs. Putting his personal force behind the quashing of any facts that he doesn't like and replacing them with Alternative facts that please more. And now this.

      China will continue to advance. So will India, Russia, Europe, and the rest of the world. And we'll just sit back counting our quarterly dividend checks until one day even rural Afghanistan is more technologically and scientifically advanced than we are. And because we believe in Personal Responsibility, we'll find someone else to hold personally responsible because boo-hoo, every one picks on us 'cause we're #1.

      And the ultimate irony will come when even our military advantages are all gone because the science that provided the science that keeps our ability to go slap around countries we don't like will dead, while everyone else kept going.

    120. Re: The New Formula by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      But you can still chew bubble gum, right?

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    121. Re:The New Formula by guises · · Score: 1

      Well... the largest beneficiaries of charitable giving in the United States are religious organizations. Some portion of that probably gets passed on to those in need, through religion-based soup kitchens, etc., but it would probably be more accurate to say that we give what we do to charity because our tax code categorizes religious giving as charitable.

      This article disagrees with the parents' claim, however. I'm not willing to pay enough attention to this topic to figure out that discrepancy, but... there you go.

    122. Re: The New Formula by RazorSharp · · Score: 2

      A democracy with universal healthcare = a generous society.

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    123. Re: The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Letâ(TM)s consider âoerepresentativeâ for a moment. Now, if a president is duely elected by constitutional process and people in the country hate him or her, are you saying they are not representative because they donâ(TM)t represent you? If so, then we havenâ(TM)t had a representative president, ever.

      The fact is, the president, elected by the processes set forth does in fact represent you and everyone else, whether you like it or not. That he doesnâ(TM)t do your bidding doesnâ(TM)t make him any less.

    124. Re: The New Formula by LinuxLuver · · Score: 1

      Sadly.....yep.

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    125. Re: The New Formula by LinuxLuver · · Score: 1

      It is what it is.

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    126. Re: The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, anyone who thinks that is blind idiot. This is now a government of the idiots, by the idiots, and for the idiots.

    127. Re: The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You miss the point. The Government is being staffed by the people. The people are stupid. Hence the issue of being staffed by the people.

    128. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Waahhh! Why don't the smart people appreciate my anti-intellectualism? I'm just as worthy as they are! Waaaah!!!

    129. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > FYI, there's so much "charitable" giving in the US because we don't take care of basic needs...

      And waaaay too much "charitable" giving is just tax-deductible funding for religious social clubs. Every single one of those mega-churches was built with "charitable" funds.

    130. Re: The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If DT had science advisors they would simply serve his agenda anyway. The same stuff happens with Democrats.

      That is the kind of ignorant nihlism that has destroyed the value of government. It is not true that they "simply serve his agenda."

      Policy is personnel.

      Nobody, especially an incompetent like the real whitehouse husband of DC, can micro-manage everybody on a staff of thousands to make them do exactly what they want. They can influence, they can set direction, but they can't control the day-to-day decision making.

      The nihlism crew is really lathered up about the fictitious "deep state" but like every conspiracy theory there is a kernel of truth - the people who do the hands-on work have a lot of control over how the work gets done. That is why Bernie and Warren were working really hard to make sure that Clinton's cabinet would have been staffed with people who embraced their progressive ideals. And its also why Goldman Sachs has got at least seven people in the upper echelons of Don the Con's staff.

    131. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lie
      An IDIOT crashed the economy of the world in 2007-2008
      a GENIUS undid that in 7 years.

    132. Re: The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The people should be taking care of their own basic needs. That's not what government is for. Government needs to get out of the way and do what they are supposed to do: Not attempting to run our lives... They need to focus on protecting our national interests abroad and defending the homeland.

    133. Re: The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The government doesn't give a shit if you pay $10 for a tank of gas or $100 for a tank of gas. They don't give a fuck. All they care about is that you can buy it, go do your job and contribute to the GDP and pay your taxes. They DO NOT, however, give one flying fuck about what you paid for the same. That's YOUR job to worry about... Is it worth it for me to go to work today, or am i better off staying at home and sending out resumes.

    134. Re: The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The government has never been there to serve people, the house as a representative of the people is there to serve as a representative of the people but the presidency as an executive office has always pushed towards independency and it it's only due to presidents themselves to work towards curtailing or expanding the power of their office. In recent years it has trended towards expansion, a lot because of the political divide and presidents' fear or apprehension of the opposing party running amok, and now the reality of that happening. What needs to happen is the curtailing of that power again.

    135. Re: The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't get to define what is altruistic or not. Some charitable acts don't even get measured in the USA. To become a non-profit, you have to send 3 or 400 dollars off to the guvmint. If it's a small enough non-profit, you just pay the taxes, all the volunteers don't get paid. Nobody "profits". For example, youth Allstar baseball teams. Do you know how many are being misclassified as a for profit enterprise in the United States? Plenty. One is one too many. These are kids that need about $6,000 to $10,000 and their parents are doing all they can. After it's over, it's over. It takes less than a year. Somebody else is in charge next year, so it never carries over. It's not a going concern. Nobody cares. But so what? It's still charity, it's still non-profit, but still misclassified and taxed. All summer long.

    136. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your comment implies that the idiots are a much smaller set. Got any evidence to back that up?

    137. Re:The New Formula by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      If you believe that either of us are not idiots, then it is by definition a small set. Could you define "much" for me?

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    138. Re:The New Formula by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      I think you replied to the wrong post. These people are making an idiotic assumption that if you move from state to state someone must be committing voter fraud by impersonating you in your old state- and they're definitely voting for Democrats, right? Only a dozen cases of voter fraud are uncovered after each election and so far it's always been someone trying to cast multiple votes for Trump after being told on Fox how easy it is.

    139. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When it comes to shedding blood to export our system to other nations, we're rank amateurs compared to the old colonial powers of Europe. You know, the ones who instititionalized slavery in the Americas and most of the rest of the world, who set up Apartheid, genocide, and fanned the flames of two world wars (and the resulting communist revolutions) that killed hundreds of millions of people.

      Clearly you have never been in the service on in war. For one there were more bombs dropped during one month in Vietnam than all the bombs dropped during WW2. This was a US war. I know I was there.

      You left out the fact that Europe send all it thugs, murders, whore, and thieves here to colonise this place. Let's not forget the fact that these new Americans damn near wiped and entire race of people from the planet. Yes an entire race my people. The US brought new light to the word genocied. A slave was worth a thousand dollars at the same time my Grandfather was noting more than a moving target.

      Ah Unaga Soque you come from scum and still are scum.

    140. Re: The New Formula by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 1

      Fair enough, good point.

    141. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For a moment there I felt like there was room to joke about firefox.

    142. Re: The New Formula by wyHunter · · Score: 0

      Indeed, that's the dirty little secret the left doesn't want people to realize: that administration was nihilistic, anti-American, and anti-western. Who allowed Iran to get advanced enough that she will get nuclear bombs? Why, the Democrats in the Obama administration. Who presided over the complete destabilization of the Islamic world, which makes everyone, ironically including the people who practice Islam, less safe? The Democrats in the Obama administration. Who tried desperately to destroy the remaining industrial plant in the US? Guess who! Yes, Trump IS vulgar. On the other hand, the Democrats say Bill Clinton was cultured - and he fornicated with an employee with a cigar and via oral sex. So...who is the more vulgar? (I cannot speak about Obama in this context as that crud has not yet, er, come out.). The Democrats have been useful idiots for a long time.

    143. Re: The New Formula by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      Oh yes - as for anti-gay, which the gay community tries to label him: I cannot imagine that a successful hotelier, in New York City, is not aware that there are many, many, many homosexual people on his staff, and I'm sure that he hires the competent ones because, frankly, I can't imagine he cares who one beds. Indeed, perhaps, as a straight man he sees gay men as less competition for getting beautiful women into HIS bed. Of course, he's married to an absolute stunner.

    144. Re: The New Formula by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you should get away from the leftists coasts, if that is indeed where you live. Here in the flyover country, we tend to be pretty generous.

    145. Re: The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hillary was endorsed by the KKK in California. One of Trump's children is Jewish, and he has Jewish advisors. Trump has reached out to the Black community and appointed non-whites to important and visible government positions. Think about that.

      Trump signs order supporting historically black colleges

      These Charlotte kids named their rocket Trump and went to DC. Guess who took notice?
      closer look

      Meet the Jews in Donald Trump’s administration

      Who is Nikki Haley, America's ambassador to the United Nations?

      Don't be an ass.

    146. Re: The New Formula by kelanos · · Score: 1

      The government is there to serve the people. It's progressively become more about leading the people.

      Especially the people who insist the government exists to serve the people but don't hold it do it's responsibilities.

    147. Re: The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, maybe things got off to a bad start with the Iranian Islamists taking the US embassy staff hostages, Iran declaring the US to be an enemy they are at war with, continuing to hold rallies to this day where "Death to America!" is chanted, referring to the US as "the Great Satan," spreading terrorism throughout the world, continually uttering barely veiled threats of genocide, and working to arm themselves with nuclear weapons. Well, live and learn.

      I'm curious, have you, on a personal note, spoken to any Iranian homosexuals? Oh, that's right, you can't. They don't exist.

      Iran vs. Its People: Abuses Against Religious Minorities

      Iran 2016/2017

      The authorities heavily suppressed the rights to freedom of expression, association, peaceful assembly and religious belief, arresting and imprisoning peaceful critics and others after grossly unfair trials before Revolutionary Courts. Torture and other ill-treatment of detainees remained common and widespread, and were committed with impunity. Floggings, amputations and other cruel punishments continued to be applied. Members of religious and ethnic minorities faced discrimination and persecution. Women and girls faced pervasive violence and discrimination. The authorities made extensive use of the death penalty, carrying out hundreds of executions, some in public. At least two juvenile offenders were executed.

    148. Re: The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Brought to you by Carl's Jr!

    149. Re:The New Formula by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      There is no "Conspiracy Theory". If you want actual evidence just go look at how she got stuff done through her whole political career, but of course you won't because all you dems just wanna live in total denial.

    150. Re:The New Formula by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      She was as corrupt as fuck. If you can't see that than you are totally blind.

    151. Re:The New Formula by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Gullible would be believing any of the the obvious pandering lies that Clinton was pedalling just in order to get herself into power.

    152. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You guys are all sound like paid bloggers and shitposters. Man what a disappointment this place is. I can't even come to terms with it. You guys are fucking stupid, did you not see "It's possible that the White House will handle these issues through staff in other divisions within the OSTP."? It's like you all just want to fight based on some asshole's opinionated observation piece and ignore his disclaimer. I mean WHAT THE FUCK? Is this just trolls trolling trolls? Am I missing the point of this?

    153. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that you are trying to engage.

    154. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A government of the idiots, by the idiots and for the idiots.

      Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all of the others.

      But hey, things are nowhere as bad as they could be! After all, the US could be stuck with someone like Trudeau, Obama, or Clinton! Ugly to contemplate.

    155. Re: The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forget private institutions have their own biases. Care to call the tobacco industry fair minded and interested in the public weal?

      You forget that government institutions generally, and their employees specifically, have their own biases and interests that are separate from, and sometimes in opposition to, those of taxpayers and other parts of the government. People can use their government positions to pursue their personal interests that aren't necessarily tied to the purpose of their employment, the mission of their agency, or the reason behind the funding.

      Meltdown at the EPA

      Teachers unions look out for the interests of teachers first, not those of students or schools.

      Much of the growth in the cost of education, especially college, is for administrative staff that have nothing to do with instruction.

    156. Re: The New Formula by meglon · · Score: 1

      http://www.snopes.com/kkk-endo...

      On the other hand.....

      http://www.npr.org/sections/th...

      https://www.washingtonpost.com...

      https://www.washingtonpost.com...

      http://www.motherjones.com/pol...

      http://www.motherjones.com/pol...

      That's just a few. Trump got the vote of the KKK and neo-nazis, and if you voted for him, you're ideals align with theirs.

      Don't be a gullible fucking idiot.

      --
      Fascism: An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. See also: NAZI's
    157. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "IDIOTs" that crashed the economy were the Democrats in Congress that blocked the passage of mortgage reform. The Bush administration tried repeatedly to get it passed, but Democrats refused and the long projected outcome occurred. The mortgage industry blew up, and mortgage based securities caused a domino effect series of failures in the financial industry. The "genius" that "undid that" had both had a hand in causing it, and his administration had one of the weakest recoveries on history due to even more bad policies, just like FDR's bad policies prolonged the Great Depression.

      You like to eat at local restaurants? Better hurry, more of those Progressive / Democrat "geniuses" have raised the local minimum wage to $15/hour across the US. Small business are already failing, and restaurant giants like McDonalds are substituting kiosks for people to cut wage costs. YAY! Another "success" for progressive economics.

    158. Re: The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No doubt that churches are one of many different charitable causes. (Not sure what a ""church"" is.) Churches do much good work. A few examples you may wish to consider:

      UMC Global Ministries (You may find some surprises here.)

      Atheists credit the Gospel

      Two high-profile atheists concede that to get practical help to the poor and liberate them from poverty you need Christianity’s teaching about man’s place in the Universe . . . more

      Matthew Parris: As an atheist, I truly believe Africa needs God

      Filling backpacks, reaching hearts

      Once again, ARM and ACM are collecting backpacks for a Christmas event called Appalachian Christmas Outreach 2016, and NCBM is calling on churches statewide to respond to this need. For many of the children who benefit from this ministry, these backpacks are the only Christmas present that they will receive. Each backpack will include things like inexpensive toys, school supplies, hygiene items, and also a Bible and a pamphlet telling the story of Christmas. This means that each child not only receives a Christmas present, but also receives God’s Word.

      Last year, more than 46,000 backpacks were collected and distributed. .

    159. Re: The New Formula by Stephan+Schulz · · Score: 1

      [...[I felt like an enemy to the Obama administration. They supported and condoned people who want me dead.

      As the old saying goes: You make peace with your enemies, not your friends. Defusing the situation in the Near East is much more likely to result in liberalisation than the so-called "War on Terror" (that pretty much looks like a massive terror campaign from the other side). With all its limitations, Iran at least has surprisingly democratic elections, and in 2016 elected a more-or-less liberal parliament and in 2017 re-elected a more-or-less modernist president. That does not make it a human-rights paradise, but it sure is better than Saudi-Arabia in that respect.

      --

      Stephan

    160. Re: The New Formula by Aereus · · Score: 1

      Setting aside the biggest reason the Islamists came to power there was because the US and Britain decided to overthrow a democratically elected government and install a puppet in order to control Iranian oil after they wanted to nationalize their oil fields. Their anger didn't just spring up out of their ass.

      I may not agree with most of what they do these days, but we kinda brought it upon ourselves with what we did to the country in the decades leading up to 1979...

    161. Re:The New Formula by cryptizard · · Score: 1

      And Trump isn't? Are you blind? At least she wasn't in the throws of obvious dementia.

    162. Re: The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's all a misdirect, this is all to get us to vote in an "unbiased" robot government!

    163. Re:The New Formula by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

      He may represent his voters in that he pretends to be like them. I think that was your point. He sure as hell doesn't represent them in any other fashion. It's almost sad that so many of his policies are going to fuck his voters right in the ass. Ironically, they will find someway to blame it on "libtards" and "democRats" and whatever nasty nickname they have for Pelosi. Never mind the fact that they have almost zero power right now.

    164. Re: The New Formula by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, letting the thinking happen outside of the government won't work when inside-the-government is stocked with conspiracy theorists who think that George Soros is paying off professors to falsify study results. You know, that's why all those environmental scientists are all ballin' in their Tesla Model S's. It's soooo lucrative to be a scientist these days, what with the anti-freedom cabal trying to take away our rights to... do something, haven't figured out what the cabal is doing, but it's nefarious.

    165. Re: The New Formula by Maxoverdrive · · Score: 1

      "Let the thinking happen outside of government"

      Yup

    166. Re:The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      any fool can check the phone records and determine that Trump is lying. Again.

      And of course you are the fool making the accusation without checking any records, or any other admissible evidence.

      Folks, this is what discredits anything the hysterical anti-Trump fools have to say, and it's just making his reelection chances even greater. The democrats are unwittingly running his campaign for him, fortifying his fan base. I would call the republicans astute, if not for the idiot democrats running against them.

    167. Re: The New Formula by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 1

      On a personal note, I know plenty of Iranian women. Most of them I would argue are "uppity", but they also happily travel back to Iran every year or two on holidays.

      I know one, who would dispute that, but she's Baha'i. If she went back to Iran, she'd be dead, like a good part of her family is.

    168. Re: The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do not believe there is any private entity that is politiclally neutral, even if it claims to be so.

    169. Re: The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They do that for money they gain...

    170. Re: The New Formula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The baby in the silly report you cite would have no chance anywhere.

      So why then did the doctors in that hospital decide to use the full power of the state to force it to die immediately? Why would they not even let the parents take it home with them to die? They lack decency, that's why. Never mind refusing to let the parents take it for additional medical treatment at their expend. Once again, the doctors and the system lack decency.

      As to having "no chance anywhere," maybe it is true, but you don't have to look very hard to find examples of people who went on to live productive lives after being dismissed by physicians as certain to die or to have no chance at any meaningful life. Doctors are not gods, they do get things wrong. Why are you so comfortable giving them the power of life and death by very unpleasant means, not to mention separation from family? Should you end up in an accident and be badly burned, should the doctors be able to withhold food and water till you die because they think having scars is a burden nobody will be allowed to live with? Wouldn't you want a say?

  2. Understandable... by Harold+Halloway · · Score: 0

    ...since Pol Trump and the NRA Rouge will be rounding up the intellectuals and putting them in concentration camps before long.

    1. Re:Understandable... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Good.

      "Intellectualism" in America has descended into this "white men are evil, we must make Muslims feel good about themselves" bit of craziness. We're seeing actual harm as successful tech companies are destroyed by people complaining that the people running them are straight males.

      The American public is sick of this. They saw through the false shock at Trump's locker room talk. The American people voted for Trump to drain the swamp of these fake "intellectuals" who think that reality is racist and sexist, and that we should therefore ignore reality and start trying to enforce some crazy "justice" based view of the world.

      No. Drain the swamp. Ditch these so-called "scientists" and their false advice. Trump is making America great again, and it's quite frankly astounding how many people are trying to stand in his way. Never has the democratically elected President of the United States seen such disrespect.

    2. Re:Understandable... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Intellectualism' in this context seems to mean anyone with a higher IQ than their shoe size.

      The puzzle here is that the people that believe this nonsense (the poster may or may not belong to that set), and have not been reaped by natural selection yet. Some people truly live a sheltered life. Then again, they have voted for breaking down the shelters, so perhaps the natural selection just takes a little more time, but it is still astonishing that such epic stupidity and gullibility doesn't have consequences.

    3. Re:Understandable... by gtall · · Score: 0

      I half-way hoped a congressman getting his ass shot off would wake those morons up to the danger of flooding the U.S. with guns. It was to no avail, they circled the wagons and claimed we were all armed, this sort of thing wouldn't happen. Hmmm...how about concealed carry in the Capitol? I should think the NRA would go for that, along with their easing restrictions on silencers.

    4. Re:Understandable... by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

      Since they won't take advice anyway.

  3. Zero is hard to understand by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

    I can see why they need a science advisor.

  4. Efficiency by Tulsa_Time · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Maybe there are plenty of advisers available in the Tens of Thousands of Government employees at the Dozens of various agencies...

    No need to pay twice.

    --
    5 out of 6 people enjoy Russian Roulette & 6 out of 7 Dwarfs are not Happy
    1. Re:Efficiency by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1, Informative

      Exactly. Seems like redundancies are being eliminated. We have thousands and thousands of scientists at NASA, NOAA, EPA, DOE, etc. These nine were really "policy wonks" who were tasked with fusing political goals with desired science and research directives. And according to the source article, there are still 35 people working in that department, though it's been greatly downsized from the 100+ of the Obama Administration.

      --
      Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
    2. Re:Efficiency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pohl's law: Nothing is so good that somebody, somewhere, will not hate it.

    3. Re:Efficiency by fredrated · · Score: 1

      And this is SO good.

    4. Re:Efficiency by gtall · · Score: 2

      You mean scientists at NASA, NOAA, EPA, DOE, etc. that the administration and their fellow travelers in Congress are ignoring? Them scientists?

    5. Re:Efficiency by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 0

      Yes, we must completely politicize everything that happens or else we can't get anything done. It's all about politics, 24/7 - isn't it? After all - if you can't use politics, you can't foist your own world viewpoint on others. How about letting the science work, and scaling back the size and scope of the Federal Government? Or do you like adding $120 billion a month to our national debt, as we did in FY 2016? You like having that extra $4800 added debt per man, woman and child last year?

      Newsflash: it's time the Federal Government backs the heck out of a lot of what it's doing, stop trying to politicize and run every little aspect of everyone's lives, and cuts way the heck back in spending before we go completely bankrupt - worse that Greece - as a society.

      --
      Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
    6. Re: Efficiency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If debt is a problem, raising taxes to pay it down would be the logical solution. Somehow that obvious solution is absent from the new Republican playbook. It's almost as if they are hypocrites.

    7. Re:Efficiency by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Pohl's law: Nothing is so good that somebody, somewhere, will not hate it.

      Show me a man who hates a good bowel movement and I'll show you a liar.

    8. Re: Efficiency by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

      To eliminate the deficit, every taxpayer will have to pay an additional $15,000 per year. Ready to do that? Or we could have Government scale back its spending... If you look at Hauser's Law, you'll see that for all the massive swings in the marginal tax rates over the last 70 years, the actual tax receipts are amazingly stable.

      The reality is, if the Federal Government simply pegged the annual increases in its budget to no more than inflation plus population growth, in about 50 years our debt would be retired. The GDP - and thus, based on Hauser's Law, the share of GDP that the Federal Government receives as taxes - grows faster than inflation plus population growth. Peg growth - limit spending - and not a single tax needs to be raised. IF tax rates are adjusted, they should be done with an eye towards growing the GDP at a faster rate as that will increase the funds delivered to the Federal Government.

      Imagine - slash no programs, and peg spending GROWTH (yes, growth - not cuts) to a rational level related to the consumption of services (inflation - cost of delivery - plus population growth - number of consumers). Democrats SHOULD be happy, they get to keep all their spending. And we implement no new taxes or any tax increases. Republicans SHOULD be happy, there is no new taxes. But sadly, neither side will want it because they lose their leverage...

      --
      Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
  5. Head for science by Tablizer · · Score: 0

    "Believe me, I know more than the scientists. I'm really smart, everyone around me knows it. I don't necessarily do formulas and ya da da, but I have natural instincts; I smell science like a cat, and pounce--beautiful bigly American Science! #MASGA!"

  6. There are science advisers and science advisers by Archtech · · Score: 0

    If only "science advisers" were honest, up-to-date working scientists willing to say exactly what they think without fear or favour.

    However, most government "science advisers" are chosen by politicians and civil servants, on mainly political grounds, from the ranks of the "great and the good". In other words, they are likely to be elderly, dignified, wealthy, highly regarded by all - and not to have done any actual research, or read any current papers, for a good many years.

    They are the kind of people who fall easily into line with government policies and politically correct views. They are the kind of people who agree that solar power (for instance) is far cheaper than fossil fuels or nuclear, and who have a remarkable ability not to notice things like this: https://hardware.slashdot.org/...

    --
    I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
    1. Re:There are science advisers and science advisers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean not to notice a non peer reviewed hit piece designed by a nuclear think tank?

    2. Re:There are science advisers and science advisers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's only a "hit piece" when you disagree with it.

      But since you're a stupid fucking liberal puke, it's all bullshit, right assfucker?

  7. has zero science advisors by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    Great! now I know where to go when I need advice on the science of zeros.

    1. Re:has zero science advisors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just wait for them to employ Sub-Zero advisors to the cabinet. Politics is a mortal kombat, after all.

  8. There's always Jared by WildEye · · Score: 1

    Problem solved!

    1. Re:There's always Jared by unixisc · · Score: 1

      No, he's the Middle Eastern scholar on Abrahamic religions (TM)

  9. 9 people did.... what exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So, under Obama, they had 9 people working in this office, making $150,000 a year, doing... what exactly?
    What were the great visionary policies for science coming out of the Obama White House?
    What great technologies did the administration sponsor?
    Maybe they advised the President well on internet and cybersecurity issues, to the benefit of the nation's retailers and online account holders?

    No, the OSTP focused on education policy, advocated for more women in science, preached climate change, and worked for social justice. Their primary accomplishments were creating more boards and commissions and hiring more bureaucrats. They also wrote some boring non-technical non-policy papers. Oh, yes, they gave a number of empty speeches.
    Futurists, with much better paychecks, at the taxpayers expense.

    So, what loss is it to not have self-important 'advisers' and 'science experts' hanging around doing nothing useful? Abolish the office entirely, and return to they way it was in the 70s, before ignorant celebrity 'scientists' got government jobs.

    1. Re:9 people did.... what exactly? by Rockoon · · Score: 0, Troll

      The policy was "to look like we care" and at that, they sort of worked.

      --
      "His name was James Damore."
    2. Re:9 people did.... what exactly? by rastos1 · · Score: 2

      So, under Obama, they had 9 people working in this office, making $150,000 a year, doing... what exactly?
      What were the great visionary policies for science coming out of the Obama White House?

      So under Trump you have 1 man working in office making $400000 a year doing what exactly? Being an embarrassment for all Americans? Surrounding himself with idiots defending undefendable? What great visionary policy came out from the Oval office? Mexican wall? Firing Comey? Travel ban? Offending allies? Banning cameras from White House briefing? Repealing FCC privacy rules? Withdrawing from Paris Agreement?
      Even if those advisories did absolutely nothing, it is still much better then doing the damage like Trump does.

  10. not all utopian cooperativeness on this planet by supernova87a · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I know that we would like to view every country on Earth as occupants of this cooperative spaceship that has to sustain humanity, and therefore in a sense it doesn't matter all that much that we get set back by one country slowing its science progress for a few years...

    But in reality...

    It's still a race for competitive advantage between countries, and seriously, the Chinese, Indians, Singaporeans, etc.etc are going to start eating our lunch, guys (even more than they are) -- and every move we make gets us forward or back a step in the race against them.

    I think a lot of people don't want to admit this winner-takes-all reality... especially if they grow up in a highly liberal California environment where everyone is supposed to be nice to each other...

    1. Re:not all utopian cooperativeness on this planet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've been eating our lunch for a while.

      They all pivoted to produce capable technologists, long ago. That started to pay off right about the time we started bemoaning the offshoring of white collar jobs, and it's only getting worse.

      We're desperately trying to make coal relevant again, while they're all working on dominating solar, thorium reactors, etc.

      Europe has the trophy physics gear.

      It'll be 30 years before we can make it to the moon again. One of the private companies will likely be claiming plots on Mars before it's even a twinkle in NASA's eye.

      The list goes on, and on, and on...

    2. Re:not all utopian cooperativeness on this planet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "California environment where everyone is supposed to be nice to each other..."

      I take it you've never lived in California...

    3. Re:not all utopian cooperativeness on this planet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No kidding! Bay Area? more like bastard area.

      Now, the closer to the red parts of the state, the nicer people are. Imagine that?

  11. Changes in administration by unixisc · · Score: 0

    And they'll get however many they need. As it is, everytime a government changes, staff overhauls happen - not just at cabinet level, but also the bureaucrats. Yeah, there was always the argument that one needs the bureaucrats for continuity, but this time, you have a bureaucracy that's hell bent on sabotaging the agenda of the new administration. We saw it w/ Sally Yates & the travel ban, and more recently w/ 'Reality Winner'.

    There is no reason for any Obama holdovers. Those 9 Science advisors ain't the only scientists in the land. First of all, w/ a $20T deficit, the administration does need to take a hard look at what sort of people are needed, and then, staff up accordingly. Also, the confirmation of all of this president's appointees have been historically slow - be it cabinet, ambassadors, department spokespeople, et al. So let them fill what they need as and when needed.

    1. Re:Changes in administration by fredrated · · Score: 2

      Thank you for giving the fool's opinion. Even fool's like yourself should be heard, so your foolishness can be seen.

    2. Re:Changes in administration by gtall · · Score: 1

      Oh? Ever watch Jeff Sessions when he was in Congress. 95% of scientists agree on an issue, but he finds someone from the other 5% and gave him equal billing. This administration has no use for science and facts, they collide with their beliefs.

    3. Re:Changes in administration by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Likewise, cretin!

    4. Re:Changes in administration by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Sessions may be in the administration, but he's not the one in any of the science related positions - be it EPA, Energy or FCC. Bringing up what he did as a senator is irrelevant.

      Point is that the president has been burned badly by Obama holdovers. Leaks that never happened in previous administrations have happened in this one. There is a bureaucracy run amok, and so the president has major trust issues w/ the people he inherited from Obama. As a result, he's decided to expedite something that was gonna happen anyway - the replacement of previous administration officials w/ his own nominees.

      Even when there ain't a change in parties, the new president comes in w/ a government and personnel that look very different from the previous one. See Bush 41's cabinet vs Reagan's. Had Hilary been elected, there would still have been major changes in personnel. To expect everybody from the Obama administration to stay on b'cos they're the 'Science Advisors' is pretty stupid

    5. Re:Changes in administration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This country needs more level headed people like you. Too many men here are emotional like women.

    6. Re:Changes in administration by dbIII · · Score: 1

      It's only 5% because economists want to be counted as scientists now.

    7. Re:Changes in administration by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      I may live in Stockholm, but you're the one with the syndrome. And after only 6 months, wow.

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    8. Re:Changes in administration by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Like the one I responded to?

    9. Re:Changes in administration by unixisc · · Score: 1

      You may live in Stockholm, but that syndrome ain't what you think it is

  12. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is it possible that "other" OSTP employees will "handle" anything, when according to the post there are no other employees? If "science policy wonks" were competent educators, then would they be "science policy wonks"? Similarly for "crises management", why would the WH need some science wonk involved at the executive level in crises management? On its face, the evacuation of the office seems reasonable, given Trump's ignorance of and disinterest in facts (or the truth for that matter). The more alarming (imho) reality is that this must reduce the availability of factual advice to the entire WH staff, not just Trump. OTOH, I have no idea whether these people acted as "honest brokers" or as policy advocates, but I wouldn't be surprised if they tended towards the latter. It is likely that given the policy makers in the WH this is a good thing. I doubt any of them were willing to listen to anything contradicting their own ignorant beliefs.

    1. Re:What? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1, Insightful

      FTFA

      All of the work that we have been doing is still being done," a White House official familiar with the matter told CBS News, adding that 35 staffers currently work across the OSTP

      The summary/headline is #FakeNews. There are still 35 employees in the Office of Science and Technology POLICY who can focus on political machinations regarding science and tech. They will keep churning out political position papers related to tech, and sponsoring initiatives that cost lots of money - and do nothing to fund or advance basic science research. But hey, we can have more LGBTQWTFBBQ humans hired in "STEM" roles based upon their non-academic/professional successes but solely on those things we're not supposed to judge people by: race, religion, and gender.

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    2. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The science division of the White House's Office of Science and Technology Policy was unstaffed as of Friday...

      Reading comprehension can be a bitch. Nowhere does the headline or summary say the OSTP is empty. Just the science division.

      But by all means continue spewing tags like #FakeNews and making fun of sexuality. You'll fit in perfectly in the Trump administration.

    3. Re:What? by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Your reading comprehension fails. The Office of Science and Technology Policy is the Science Division of the White House. If the OSTP does not have a science division anymore, what are the other 30-something people still doing there?

      Seems more like someone got fired and they were deluded enough to think they were or represented an entire division. I think we've all worked with people that thought they were irreplaceable and the only people that did any work at their job.

      I'm all for the reduction of staffing at all political levels, if they need any help, they can just reach out to the proper academic resources instead of making up their own stuff, possibly generously 'donated' to by some large shell company.

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    4. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your reading comprehension fails. The Office of Science and Technology Policy is the Science Division of the White House. If the OSTP does not have a science division anymore, what are the other 30-something people still doing there?

      The OSTP has four divisions: Environment and Energy, National Security and International Affairs, Science, and Technology and Innovation. The OSTP no longer has anyone in its Science division, just as TFA and the headline says. The remaining 35 members of the OSTP are in the other three divisions.

  13. Obama had no science advisors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He had bureaucrats posing as knowledgeable people of science. And every person in that White House was ideological, partisan, and willing to throw themselves under a bus on command. Witness the flaming pile of shit named Jonathan Gruber who managed the fumble the health care ball multiple times, make a fool of himself, all to attract attention away from the tire fire of Obamacare from the cheerleader-in-chief.

    A government that can spend $4 Trillion can easily hire expertise when needed. What we don't need is 9 highly paid advisors who tell the president exactly what he wants to hear.

    Knowing Trump and the fact that he's illogical, uninformed, unreasonable and hostile to anyone who spooks him, 9 science advisors is a waste of taxpayer money and would be fired the first time they spoke up.

  14. Obama science ain't shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When the so-called "scientists" forge data, hide legitimate data, and tailor their data to fit predetermined conclusions, they are not scientists.

    Obama's "scientists" were third tier sycophants, professional bureaucrats, frauds, and quacks. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

  15. In our brave new world, by fredrated · · Score: 1

    science is just a mater of opinion! Everybody's voice counts!

    1. Re:In our brave new world, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:In our brave new world, by blindseer · · Score: 1

      science is just a mater of opinion! Everybody's voice counts!

      Is that like how we should make policy because 99.7689278174956377596% of scientists agree that man made global warming is an imminent threat to the world population?

      Why does it take so many people to prove catastrophic anthropogenic global warming is real? Should it not take just one? I'm pretty sure Albert Einstein said something to that effect concerning disproving his theories.

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    3. Re:In our brave new world, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gravity sucks! Gravity is a social construct!

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    4. Re:In our brave new world, by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Because people make mistakes. Even scientists. It's not enough to simply have proof of a claim - the proof needs to be checked, and rechecked, by multiple people, until enough experts have been convinced by it that you can be confident it contains no hidden errors or false assumptions.

    5. Re:In our brave new world, by unixisc · · Score: 1

      You mean like college snowflakes pretending that they can pick whatever gender they want to be on any given day?

  16. Sources? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I don't know about you, but I certainly believe everything that anonymous sources tell me.

  17. So what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those advisers were all the-sky-is-falling Progressives. The fewer bureaucrats like this then the better.

  18. So sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Science is so sad. So sad. Science is like "facts". Wrong. America will be great. Science is fake news. So sad.

  19. Science is the enemy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The current GOP is, let's face it, angry old white men who don't want to be told they're wrong about anything. Science is the repeatable process of destroying that.

    Their "strategy" if you can call it that as such is to lash out at these otherwise apolitical threats to their bullshit, regardless of who they are: The nonpartisan GAO, Comey, Mueller, every single reporter ever, 99.5% of the world's climatologists and 99.9% of those not on big oil payrolls, educators, actors, comedians, economists, historians, judges, the Pope even. If anything any of the world says is a threat to your ideology, you are at ideological 'war' with those groups/concepts. The Republicans have taken this to a new height. They are at war with anything that is not them.

  20. Get Greta van Susteren! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She's a scientologist. Sounds sciencey, and she's available! If she declines, get Van Halen. Any Van would probably work.

    1. Re:Get Greta van Susteren! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about the Free Candy van?

    2. Re:Get Greta van Susteren! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would like Greta's sweet twisted mouth curled around my shaft.

  21. Who needs science, anyway? by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    The vast majority of supporters of the buffoon-in-chief not only do not like science, but they actively despise it.

    1. Re:Who needs science, anyway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet it's the Left that opposes nuclear power in all forms.
      It's the Left that opposes genetic engineering of crops and animals and medicines.
      It's the Left that opposes space travel and exploration - at least "while there's so much still to do on Earth".

      The Right has it's anti-science fanatics, all heavily clustered in the evolution/creationism.
      The Left, on the other hand, has taken any science that isn't politically useful and thrown it under the bus. Fear mongering and ignorance abound on the Left as much, or even more, than on the Right. The only difference is that the Right cites religion while the Left cites Feelz.

      Ignorant prejudice like yours is just an example of how anti-science, anti-knowledge, and anti-truth the Left is.

    2. Re:Who needs science, anyway? by meglon · · Score: 1

      You're a fucking idiot.

      You want to see what nuclear power does? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      That's what "can" happen with nuclear. THEN, on top of that... we have https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/...

      AND THEN there's the fact that nuclear power, as a percentage of energy production has been level for some time (in the US), while solar and wind (you know, the ones that don't cause radioactive wastelands, or materials that have to be sequestered for centuries) are climbing rapidly.

      The problem is not that democrats oppose nuclear, it's that republicans are stuck in the 70's and can't pull their heads out of their ass to see the future... and it's not nuclear.

      As for genetic crops... i don't give a crap one way or the other, nor animals... although some on the republican-fake-christian side seem to think messing with animals is somehow going against God. And for medicine? Oh yeh, if we could only cure cancer..... or if we could cure 70% of a cancar with a simple vaccine... then the republican-fake-christains will be against it because they have shit for brains.

      Space travel? Now you are truly just being a fucking idiot. You're a conservative asswipe who's trying to disassociate from all the stupidity of the people you agree with because deep down you know they're fucking idiots, and by extension, so are you.

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    3. Re:Who needs science, anyway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The left still thinks "gender" is a social construct. Biology is problematic to the left.

  22. and what did they accomplish? by ooloorie · · Score: 0

    the science division was staffed with nine employees who led the charge on policy issues such as STEM education, biotechnology and crisis response

    STEM education has gotten worse and isn't the president's job; biotechnology does just fine without presidential interference; and crisis response is handled by FEMA.

    I think this illustrates how pointless "the science division" actually was.

    1. Re:and what did they accomplish? by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      Or a reminder of how powerless the President is, at least compared to how much power people tend to think the position holds.

  23. How many in NASA under Obama? by OYAHHH · · Score: 2, Funny

    For he certainly put them to good use.... What with the "Focus on Muslim Outreach" mandate Obama issued to NASA.

    Look, Trump already has a scientist he can refer to if so be. His name is Ben Carson. And he is as good as anyone Obama had working for him.

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    1. Re:How many in NASA under Obama? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good... at?

    2. Re:How many in NASA under Obama? by mean+pun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >

      Look, Trump already has a scientist he can refer to if so be. His name is Ben Carson. And he is as good as anyone Obama had working for him.

      You mean the genius that claimed that the pyramids were there to store grain? See https://www.theguardian.com/us...

    3. Re:How many in NASA under Obama? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Focus on Muslim Outreach

      I just googled those words intrigued as to what I may find. Results:
      - One Daily Telegraph.
      - One Fox News.
      - 4 links to conspiracy theorists nut pages including "truthrevlot" and "barenakedmuslim"
      - 2 links to youtube videos by different conspiracy theorist nuts.
      and one link to a page at some IP address, not even a domain name.

      That results list says a lot.

    4. Re:How many in NASA under Obama? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It happened, it was even covered on Slashdot. Under the Obama "administration", NASA was directed to "make Muslims feel good about themselves."

    5. Re:How many in NASA under Obama? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      At least he didn't try to learn Austrian...

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    6. Re:How many in NASA under Obama? by mean+pun · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And he's still easily as good as or not better than anyone Obama had.

      Obama was a crappy president running on feel-good SJW bull. His singular accomplishment was ruining the US healthcare system, something we're still trying to recover from. Ben Carson is easily better than literally anyone Obama had working for him.

      This is where any dialog simply breaks down. You either believe this, and you're just bonkers; you're trolling, and I am sorry you don't have anything interesting to do in your life; or you're shilling, and I can only hope you reincarnate as something highly educational.

    7. Re:How many in NASA under Obama? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2, Informative

      Your Google Fu is weak. Pay attention to the Youtube video where you can watch Charles Bolden, NASA Chief under Obama, state unambiguously that he was directed to reach out to the Muslim world to make them feel good about their contributions to science and engineering.

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    8. Re:How many in NASA under Obama? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      It really burns you that Trump accomplished more in the two months between being elected and taking office than Obama accomplished in eight years, doesn't it? Face it, the Obama years were some of the darkest years the US has ever seen. Trump is already improving things.

    9. Re:How many in NASA under Obama? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump hasnt improved anything other than the US status as the dumbest people on earth.

    10. Re:How many in NASA under Obama? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And the problem with that is? I mean, unless you're a racist turd? Why not have the Muslim street "feel good"? Maybe less jihadis, maybe not, costs nothing.

      Honestly you alt right guys must be sick of having your noses broken in bar fights by the SJW guys actually getting laid. But you better get used to it.

    11. Re:How many in NASA under Obama? by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

      If you feel you have to treat them like children to keep them from terrorism you should worry less about making them feel good and more about keeping them far away.

    12. Re:How many in NASA under Obama? by blindseer · · Score: 1

      And the problem with that is? I mean, unless you're a racist turd? Why not have the Muslim street "feel good"? Maybe less jihadis, maybe not, costs nothing.

      Who's the racist turd here? I mean that if the Obama thinks that Muslims are so depressed about their past accomplishments that he needs to make it a government policy to "make them feel good" then is that not racism by low expectation? Isn't such a policy treating Muslims like children that need a pat on their head for a "good job" they did crapping in their own pants? I'd think that they should find it insulting.

      Also, where in the NASA mandate are they supposed to do any outreach to a given community? Aren't they supposed to "benefit all" or something. I'm pretty sure it's in their motto. If anyone thinks that this kind of outreach won't just enrage them further need to look into their motivations. They want all nonbelievers to convert or be killed. An outstretched hand like this is just asking for it to be lopped off. I'm pretty sure it's a sign of weakness to them.

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    13. Re:How many in NASA under Obama? by bongey · · Score: 1

      Don't argue with liberals, they really don't difference between being "politically correct" and actual science. Large portion of them think there is 30 different genders.

    14. Re:How many in NASA under Obama? by bongey · · Score: 0

      Obama really did screw up healthcare royally by creating a system where insurance will pay for healthcare no matter the cost. Why don't you actually go out look how much the cost of healthcare has gone up since 2008, instead of living in your bubble.

    15. Re:How many in NASA under Obama? by meglon · · Score: 1

      And you're a fucking idiot. Please, go kill yourself so the world doesn't have to deal with your uselessness anymore.

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    16. Re:How many in NASA under Obama? by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 1

      And the problem with that is? I mean, unless you're a racist turd? Why not have the Muslim street "feel good"? Maybe less jihadis, maybe not, costs nothing.

      Who's the racist turd here? I mean that if the Obama thinks that Muslims are so depressed about their past accomplishments that he needs to make it a government policy to "make them feel good" then is that not racism by low expectation? Isn't such a policy treating Muslims like children that need a pat on their head for a "good job" they did crapping in their own pants? I'd think that they should find it insulting.

      No, it actually would help. Proof: Uneducated people were not insulted by the biggest elitist on the planet. How? Trump makes uneducated people feel good about themselves and, as a result, people like him.

    17. Re:How many in NASA under Obama? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The trump side actually wants to investigate the elections.

      Your side does not.

      =

      And that right there proves which one of you is batshit crazy and nobody should ever listen to you again.
      Fuck off. Shut up. We're done. Take your insanity and cram it eh?

    18. Re:How many in NASA under Obama? by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Obama really did screw up healthcare royally by creating a system where insurance will pay for healthcare no matter the cost.

      Health care is screwed up because of insurance companies, which manipulate the system and wind up making it more expensive for everyone; and because of politicians' relationship with Big Pharma, which also makes the system more expensive for everyone. Obamacare wrote the insurance companies into the law, but they were already insinuated into the system so he didn't actually put them there. What he did was completely fail to get them out. What we need is a single payer system which doesn't include them at all. It doesn't really matter whether that's Medicare expansion or some other system, but the insurance companies and the deep relationship with big pharma have got to go. Unfortunately, Clinton has lots of big pharma money in her pockets, and she has said that single payer will never happen, so she was not the answer. Sanders supported single payer, but the DNC wouldn't let us vote for him for president, so we got Trump and Trumpcare instead. You can blame the DNC for both of those things, since the polls showed that Sanders could beat Trump, and Clinton couldn't.

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    19. Re:How many in NASA under Obama? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      If you feel you have to treat them like actual members of society rather than ignoring them at best and demonising them at worst to keep them from terrorism you should worry less about making them feel good and more about keeping them far away.

      TFTFY.

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    20. Re:How many in NASA under Obama? by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

      Races, religions and cultures which are secure in their identity don't need or want to be coddled. They find that shit cringeworthy at best or misguided at worst.

      Western liberal society makes fun of the Amish nearly non stop, doesn't make them terrorists. IS members by and large don't give a shit about whether you praise Islam either, they want your total submission.

      Your tokenism does nothing except confuse the issue and cloud your vision to the reality of the current ME and the fact that it's the opposite of everything you want for society, yet somehow importing more people from there will improve matters if you just cuddle them more. Liberal insanity.

    21. Re:How many in NASA under Obama? by swillden · · Score: 1

      Obama really did screw up healthcare royally by creating a system where insurance will pay for healthcare no matter the cost. Why don't you actually go out look how much the cost of healthcare has gone up since 2008, instead of living in your bubble.

      I'm no fan of Obama or the ACA, but this is factually false. The ACA slowed the rate of increase of heathcare costs. Pre-ACA, the total per-capita spend on healthcare in the US was increasing by about 6% annually. The ACA reduced this to about 4%. Still unsustainable, but lower.

      (Note that the lowest increase in recent years was in 2013 when healthcare expenditure increased only 2.9%. That would have been 3.5%, but sequestration arbitrarily lopped 2% off of all Medicare and Medicaid payments.)

      While it's true that the ACA fundamentally broke the insurance model by requiring that insurers cover pre-existing conditions, enabling people to simply avoid buying coverage while healthy (no, the token tax penalty didn't help; it would have had to be an order of magnitude larger), that's not what made the free market approach to healthcare impossible. That's been impossible for a long time, without both a fundamental restructuring of our approach to healthcare and a willingness to let people who can't pay.

      There are lots of problems, but I think the three most significant reasons for-profiit healthcare is infeasible in the US are:

      1. Misaligned provider incentives for healthcare providers. Doctors and hospitals are paid for doing procedures, not maintaining health.

      2. Customer disincentive and inability to economize. Patients who have health care coverage have little incentive to shop for the best value for their money, and even when coinsurance payments and deductibles give them some incentive, they have little ability to make good decisions regarding what kind of care they should buy. And people can't really even shop for healthcare plans, since they can generally only pick from the two or three offered by their employer.

      3. Societal unwillingness to let people who can't pay, die. This arises in all sorts of ways, but probably the best example is the 1986 Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, which requires hospitals to provide care to anyone who arrives at the emergency room in need. This means that at the end of the day everyone has guaranteed healthcare, but only if they get treatment at the most expensive possible time and in the most expensive possible place.

      We could probably fix #1 and #2. Not with the ACA (though its exchanges are an attempt to partially address #2 by allowing more "shopping" of insurance options), but with a complete restructuring along the lines of the old HMO idea, but without the tie to employment. There would still be a big question around how to handle patients with serious chronic conditions, though. The McCarran–Ferguson Act of 1945 made it illegal for insurers to drop patients who have such conditions, which is how the whole hullabaloo about pre-existing conditions arose.

      But it's not worth investing too much time or effort into trying to figure out how to make that work in a free market system, because #3 is deadly to free market healthcare. As long as we have legal requirements that providers must take care of people who can't pay, we cannot have a free market healthcare system. And we as a society are unwilling to let people die of acute medical conditions merely because they can't pay. Note that coverage for chronic conditions is just a special case of this more general problem.

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    22. Re:How many in NASA under Obama? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ben Carson? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

    23. Re:How many in NASA under Obama? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Because the whole premise is nonsensical? Because virtually all of modern science and engineering is post-1700 and the center of it was Western Europe? That's like making the Azteks feel good about Swiss chocolate. Surely that shouldn't be a priority for the Swiss government either.

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    24. Re:How many in NASA under Obama? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your opinion of the president is a deflection of the question, which is accomplishments.

      He has accomplished more than Obama ever thought of, and all things that his base voted him into office for.
      If you don't like it, well, tough titties.

    25. Re:How many in NASA under Obama? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're doing this and you're doing that. I disagree with everything you said because it doesn't matter, but I will just call you and idiot and that will show everyone how cool I am because most of them support my point of view that Obama was better than you say he is.

    26. Re:How many in NASA under Obama? by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      Your opinion of the president is a deflection of the question, which is accomplishments.

      He has accomplished more than Obama ever thought of, and all things that his base voted him into office for. If you don't like it, well, tough titties.

      Not sure what color Kool-Aid you're drinking, but Chief Cheeto has accomplished zero so far.

    27. Re:How many in NASA under Obama? by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      Pretty much this is the problem, however the solution is not so clear, nor really linked directly to the issue at hand. Obama I think did the best he could which what he had in front of him, had he tried to do away with the insurance component, it likely would never have passed. He probably figured this was at least something that was an improvement over what currently existed.

      The problem is, particularly in the US political structure is the amount of money in play within the political cycle. There is a feedback loop, where the more money say the insurance groups make, the more influence the have, the more money they make, etc... Until that cycle is broken, I can't see much change happening, because you just won't get elected.

    28. Re:How many in NASA under Obama? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Single payer has never worked and never will - it is economics 101. No one gets what they need and the costs sky rocket. It really has nothing to do with evil insurance companies or whatever group you think is to blame.

      If it helps replace health care with maybe widgets or cell phones - make it government policy that a single payer gives everyone a cell phone. No one will get what they want and the cost will go out of control. Its economies of scale bath tub effect when you try to give everyone the same bad thing.

      Under obama care it is against the law to get a health care policy you want. You even get fined if what you want is too good. Who decided it is too good? Why would you let someone else decide what is good for you or your family?

  24. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by jeremyp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And yet, when it comes to providing healthcare for all US citizens, it's "fuck them, why should I pay for other people's healthcare".

    No, you aren't compassionate and generous.

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  25. Hate to break it to you, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People of all persuasions are majority low information people.

    Perhaps it's based around the belief that if you claim to have the information then you're selling something and have no actual interest in them but rather your product.

  26. As in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The deplorable would be shipped off to re-education camps

  27. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by gtall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You mean the Republicans have the "fuck them" attitude. The Democrats finally bit the bullet and raised taxes to attempt to cover the proles. Now if they hadn't relied on the insurance companies, they'd have done much better.

  28. Media And /Farts Wrong Again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The White House staff employees serve at the President's discretion. Typical turnover; and good to get the Obama Viet Cong out!

    The employees are Policy advisors, degrees in Law, "Political Science" (a non-science), B.A. in Government and JDs not even trained in any science discipline.

    In addition, The White House has re-initiated the National Space Council, chaired by the Vice President. Likely they need office space, which is very limited at the old WH.

  29. science not needed it's all about business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    /begin rant
    Why would you need science advisors when you only care about business? Science and research are a waste of time when you are focused on maximizing business profits. Purchase or steal the technology from someone else. Even better subcontract all of the science and research out. /end rant

  30. I'm sure there are a few Superstition advisors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I really like that he is going to tax the churches.

  31. Big central gov't shouldn't dictate education by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Big central gov't shouldn't dictate education: State & Local offices should, as they see fit. This is the United STATES. Not United CENTRAL GOV'T.!

    * Period...

    APK

    P.S.=> When we are the United CENTRAL GOV'T. = God, then I will say otherwise. Until then, the Trump administration's done the right thing (dismantling central gov't. education control is another step in the right direction s well - no more DUMBED-DOWN "std. curriculum" CENTRAL GOVERNMENT DICTATES - let local juridictions/principalities decide their OWN)... apk

    1. Re:Big central gov't shouldn't dictate education by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ooh, look fat useless virgin APK has escaped the assylum and got on the internet again.

    2. Re:Big central gov't shouldn't dictate education by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look everyone! An unidentifiable anonymous whimp's projecting his deficiencies onto apk who he wishes he could be like.

    3. Re:Big central gov't shouldn't dictate education by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 0

      Look everyone! APK's responding in the third person, again, hoping anyone with two brain cells to rub together will miraculously not notice.

      APK makes 2 kinds of posts, after all: (1) Posts in which he talks about himself, and (2) Posts in which he pretends to be a different AC talking about him.

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  32. Lefty science is no science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obama did nothing special.

  33. Oh look, a CBS news article! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IGNORE...

  34. What's Happening by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Using iOS 11 on iPads results in weird comments while typing on forums. Does it do it for most users?

  35. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump is a dumb bitch. Like his voters.

  36. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We helped Europe deal with Nazi Germany

    I'm not quite sure how fighting the Axis after being attacked by it counts as generous.

    But anyway, the US has done many good, generous things, many neutral things and many rather awful, self-interested things.

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  37. I know what they're doing by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    They'll handle these issues in the office of creationism and other bullshittery.

  38. "Departed" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the fuck does that even mean? Were they fired? Did they quit? Where's the actual story in that article?

  39. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

    OK, different colored ties. And why doesn't anyone say anything about orange hair color? I don't think that's been done before.

  40. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by Megane · · Score: 1, Informative

    But we didn't "provide healthcare", we simply required people to buy health insurance at higher premiums and with higher deductibles than before. Thanks for putting the insurance companies in our pockets, guys! And Obamacare is crumbling, most of the "exchanges" will be defunct by next year if it is left just as the Democrats (it was passed by a partisan super-majority) and Obama intended. Except for the bit where they expected a Democrat to be in the White House to declare it defunct so they could replace it with something worse.

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  41. Actually, that was from the 1%. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There were several more were not yet completely convinced, 2% compared to 97% were convinced by the evidence. Only 1% denied the problem. And Sessions picked from that 1%.

  42. You are bad at googling by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1
    1. Re:You are bad at googling by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

      Actually I retract that statement, you aren't really bad at googling. You just refused to follow up the information in the Telegraph article, which would have easily led you to the Al Jazeera interview, to find out he was factually correct. Instead you took the relatively few number of times the truth leaked out in the mainstream media as a proxy to disprove it.

      The result lists did indeed say a lot.

  43. Re: Kind, compassionate idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You're literally incoherent. Take your meds, Ahmed.

  44. Trust Trump! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He know's things, he's the best at knowing, believe me. MAGA!

  45. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by colinwb · · Score: 2, Informative

    "I'm not quite sure how fighting the Axis after being attacked by it counts as generous" - Well, before December 1941 the US with Franklin D. Roosevelt as President was doing quite a bit of prodding the Axis (rightly, in my British view), for example:

    • Lend Lease "...This program effectively ended the United States' pretense of neutrality and was a decisive step away from non-interventionist policy, which had dominated United States foreign relations since 1931 ... In December 1940, President Roosevelt proclaimed the U.S. would be the 'Arsenal of Democracy' and proposed selling munitions to Britain and Canada ..."
    • Battle of the Atlantic "... By 1941, the United States was taking an increasing part in the war, despite its nominal neutrality. In April 1941 President Roosevelt extended the Pan-American Security Zone east almost as far as Iceland. British forces occupied Iceland when Denmark fell to the Germans in 1940; the US was persuaded to provide forces to relieve British troops on the island. American warships began escorting Allied convoys in the western Atlantic as far as Iceland, and had several hostile encounters with U-boats. ..."
      Escort Duties: ... From May 1941 the US Navy became a British ally in the struggle in the Atlantic. By taking over escort duties in the western Atlantic, it became involved in a shooting war with Germany, and on Halloween 1941, the inevitable happened. While escorting a British convoy, an American warship, the destroyer Reuben James, was torpedoed and sunk by the submarine U-562. This was at a time when Roosevelt still faced fierce opposition from isolationists within the USA, and escort duties in the Battle of the Atlantic had so far been the most that the President could do to bring the USA into the war on the British side. However, eventually this undeclared German-American naval war probably played a role in Hitler's decision to declare war on the USA - in the aftermath of Pearl Harbor. ...
    • US aid to China: ... In 1940 and 1941, President Franklin D. Roosevelt formalized U.S. aid to China. The U.S. Government extended credits to the Chinese Government for the purchase of war supplies, as it slowly began to tighten restrictions on Japan. The United States was the main supplier of the oil, steel, iron, and other commodities needed by the Japanese military as it became bogged down by Chinese resistance but, in January, 1940, Japan abrogated the existing treaty of commerce with the United States. Although this did not lead to an immediate embargo, it meant that the Roosevelt Administration could now restrict the flow of military supplies into Japan and use this as leverage to force Japan to halt its aggression in China. After January 1940, the United States combined a strategy of increasing aid to China through larger credits and the Lend-Lease program with a gradual move towards an embargo on the trade of all militarily useful items with Japan. ...
  46. Who needs science advisors when you have Barron? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He can do anything with his computer.

  47. Nice misleading headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what? More Obamabots left the govt. This happens EVERY TIME the White House switches from one party to another. Obama kicked out all of Bush43's science advisors. Clinton did it to Bush41's, Bush did it to Clinton's, etc.

    Meanwhile: Trump just re-established the Kennedy-era National Space Council on July 1st (which helped in the Apollo era moon program) that Nixon and Carter neglected, Reagan re-started, Bill Clinton killed, and Bush43 and Obama leaft dead.

    Also, QUALITY means something.

    The Obama team were blithering idiots who only wrapped the word "science" around their hyper leftwing political fevers. Obama's chief science advisor was John Holdren - a freaky anti-science marxist from the 70's who famously co-wrote with doomsday author Paul Erlich about all the ways life on Earth was coming to an end. The dude freaked-out a generation and indirectly influenced Hollywood to make movies like "Soylent Green", "Planet of the Apes", and "Silent Running". Holdren famously bet that the world would be running out of vital minerals by the 1990s (he lost,obviously). Holdren was the leader of the carnival freaks of the previous administration currently departing the White House. The Obama team not only NEVER asked any skeptical questions about any of the global warming claptrap, or the "peak oil" garbage, or any othe apocolyptic drivel, they would not allow nor fund ANY skeptical research (which is how you replace SCIENCE with CONSENSUS). The left pushes policy in part by frightening soccer moms, so they embrace and hype this stuff - and that's just not honest science, it's more like the science of phrenology which was popular with goebbels.

  48. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was the Republicans and the Dems BOTH who shot down Hillary's Single Payer Health Care Bill
    When that Bill died, Obama gave the Democrat controlled Congress a mandate to come up with another solution
    And thus ObamaCare was born

  49. Why do you think I got OUT of public service? by buss_error · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For more than a decade, I tried to serve the public good by working in the public sector. I finally got fed up with the shit pay, the shit I got when people found out I worked in the government (called a pig at the trough, incompetent, stupid, lazy, a drone, had my car vandalized multiple times, threaten with death on a weekly basis, and assaulted) and got a job in the private sector that pays one hell of a lot better.

    The key here is that there is now a majority of people that think science and engineering are "just someone's opinion." That is true to a limited extent that it is indeed an opinion - but it's an opinion formed from training, intense study, experience, and perseverance. These opinions are not something someone pulls out of their ass.

    The current administration was elected by the sorts of people that deny scientific opinion because it conflicts with their world view. The sorts of folks that think welfare is for the lazy the drug addicted, and cheats. Of course the white house science department has no employees. The people that elected this administration do not value science, compassion, empathy, or Christian Values, despite many of them calling themselves Christians. They are not Christians. At best they mistake their fear and anger for piety, their selfishness, lack of compassion and imagination as "being strong". These attitudes serve no one but the top 1%. The key here is that if you read this, you will never be one of the top 1%.

    "The world isn't fair" is an excuse I hear a lot, which is true, life frequently isn't fair. Evil prospers when good men do nothing. There's nothing like doing nothing to ensure that life will remain unfair, and uncaring.

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    1. Re:Why do you think I got OUT of public service? by blindseer · · Score: 0

      Compassion, empathy, and charity through the force of government is not a Christian value. I'm pretty sure that's in the Bible somewhere, "give unto Caesar", vanity through obvious giving, and so on.

      Separating Church and state has a long Christian tradition. Some failed on this obviously, the Church of England being an example but that's been downplayed in recent times.

      For people to follow Christ is to encourage charity by example and with conversation, not through legislation. We cannot legislate people to heaven, but that seems to be what a lot of big government types think can be done, from both major political parties. That if people aren't charitable enough then the government must force charity from people with taxes and welfare.

      Government welfare is not charity, it's vote buying.

      Evil prospers when good men do nothing.

      I agree. That does not mean "good men" should take from Peter to pay Paul.

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    2. Re:Why do you think I got OUT of public service? by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 1

      Compassion, empathy, and charity through the force of government is not a Christian value.

      For people to follow Christ is to encourage charity by example and with conversation, not through legislation.

      Why do you think government charity is not a Christian value? If the government is being charitable, Christian values would say don't interfere or try to stop it.

      If you want specific Bible verses, not only do they exist, they go further, saying a charitable government will help you prosper. In Psalm 72, King Solomon reflects on his role as a head of state, and asks God to help him rule:

      1 Endow the king with your justice, O God, the royal son with your righteousness. ... 4 He will defend the afflicted among the people and save the children of the needy; he will crush the oppressor. 11 All kings will bow down to him and all nations will serve him. For he will deliver the needy who cry out, the afflicted who have no one to help.

      Like Jesus, Solomon sees the “weak and the needy” as “precious.” Solomon sees special care for the needy—even special affection for the needy—as a characteristic of government blessed by God.

    3. Re:Why do you think I got OUT of public service? by blindseer · · Score: 1

      I read Psalm 72 and what I get out of that is that King Solomon will protect the weak from the strong, treat all people fairly, poor and wealthy alike, and spread the word of God to all in his land. I don't see in there any demand that the government provide welfare, only that the government treat all equally under the law.

      Charity is giving of oneself. A government official cannot use tax money to give to the poor and consider that "charity" as it cost him nothing. Charity has to "hurt" to be charity. Giving when it costs you nothing is certainly being nice, but that's not charity in its truest sense. A government can only give what it takes from others. Giving to the government what it demands in taxes is merely following the law, not charity. A government giving to the poor may be good domestic policy but it is not charity.

      I have people ask how I can be so "mean" by saying the government should not tax people to give to the poor. I reply by saying that I cannot support using the force of government to take from the so called "rich" as that is just theft by proxy. It's also has hints of envy, sloth, greed, wrath, and vanity. I want no part of that.

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    4. Re:Why do you think I got OUT of public service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WRT "... The people that elected this administration do not value science, ..."

      I am an atheist, and voted for Trump. Very happy with my choice. Will vote for him again, and will energies my relatives to vote for him. Just like last time.
      I despise politically-correct financial criminals, hiding behind moral superiority of 'social justice'.

      In summary Trump's supporters value transparency, meritocracy and natural bias towards putting our country interest first.

    5. Re:Why do you think I got OUT of public service? by buss_error · · Score: 1

      Most churches require credence to a cant to obtain their largess. Government does not by law.

      Your statements indicate to me that you are in fact one of the solution set of "problem".

      You need not be armed to be free. You need to be armed only to impose your own desired outcomes upon others, or because enforcement of law has broken down and is failing. I can accept that you feel LE has broken down to the point that it is in fact a Crimea. I happen to feel that way myself. If I go armed, I don't announce it like some sort of petty fan boi. I need neither permission nor let. If I feel I need to be armed, I am. I do not require a permit nor do I see a need to loudly proclaim it. It is, in fact, a damning indication that society and social contract has failed.

      Hardly something to be proud of.

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      Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
    6. Re:Why do you think I got OUT of public service? by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Compassion, empathy, and charity through the force of government is not a Christian value. I'm pretty sure that's in the Bible somewhere, "give unto Caesar", vanity through obvious giving, and so on.

      You know, you are a very typical American. You don't know much, but hold very strong opinions and still hold onto them even though you have been corrected multiple times.

      The government social safety nets were invented by the German Christian conservative politicians in the mid to late 19th century. Partly, because it was a right thing to do from a Christian point of view, partly because they hoped to shut up socialists that way.

      Separating Church and state has a long Christian tradition. Some failed on this obviously, the Church of England being an example but that's been downplayed in recent times.

      It is most certainly not. Separating church and state is something that happened very recently in the Christian tradition and in many countries they are still intertwined. The Church of England is actually a good example, because

      The Supreme Governor of the Church of England is a title held by the British monarch that signifies titular leadership over the Church of England.[1] Although the monarch's authority over the Church of England is largely ceremonial, the position is still very relevant to the church and is mostly observed in a symbolic capacity. The Supreme Governor formally appoints high-ranking members of the church on the advice of the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, who is in turn advised by church leaders.

      No Christian monarchy can ever be secular because the king is supposed to be appointed by the god.

      Government welfare is not charity, it's vote buying.

      In civilised countries government welfare is supported across the party lines, hence it cannot be vote bying. Matter of fact, in some countries going without social safety nets would be unconstitutional.

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      "It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
    7. Re:Why do you think I got OUT of public service? by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 1
      First, I applaud your logical sentiments. Most people with your views I've seen can't or won't express their ideas in any way that make sense. Your arguments do make sense. I do respectfully disagree though:

      Charity has to "hurt" to be charity. Giving when it costs you nothing is certainly being nice, but that's not charity in its truest sense.

      I'd say most people who object to government welfare will claim that taxes hurt them personally. But this aspect of the argument doesn't affect my viewpoint. I think I agree with you - taxes don't hurt, because my peers are taxed at about the same rate. If I have a billion dollars, and one friend has 990mil, another with 1.1bil, then I feel ok. If all 3 of us start getting taxed at 40%, and we have that much less money, if we didn't know we were being taxed, we'd feel just as good, because our peers have about the same amount of wealth. This is human nature. It's only through greed that we say, wow I could have so much more if I didn't have to pay taxes.

      I cannot support using the force of government to take from the so called "rich" as that is just theft by proxy. It's also has hints of envy, sloth, greed, wrath, and vanity.

      I want to support the poor, not just because it's ethical, not just because it's Christian, but I also know that when people have serious problems, those problems tend to affect the people around them. Society at large does better when the people with biggest problems are helped. So I choose to support the poor via my own charity, but I also want the government doing things at a large scale to take advantage of that scale. There are plenty of things that just won't happen charity-wise unless the government does it. You'd think that the people going bankrupt due to illness, turning to a life of crime due to drug addiction and/or mental problems, could just stop by their local church to get help, but it just doesn't work out most of the time. My viewpoint here is the same as the military who want to 'leave no soldier behind'. The week & injured will be helped by the team, because knowing that policy gives the entire team more confidence and a higher success rate. They prove the idea is worth it in the most high stakes situations.

    8. Re:Why do you think I got OUT of public service? by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

      Thanks, you two, for an interesting debate. It's such a breath of fresh air compared to the usual online forum shouting matches we have all grown used to.

  50. I was wondering why tech stocks jumped by Charcharodon · · Score: 0
    So I assume now that the office Science and Technology Policy is no longer staffed that we are starting to see a new boom in Science and Technology? Because nothing says "pick the winners" like a fully staffed office in the Federal Government.

    Seriously wtf can't we just set the government to a -1% net budget every year and then in 99 years the last one out can shut off the lights.

  51. Who needs science? by John+Bodin · · Score: 0

    Fake News is what science is Fake News, and I will see that it will be stomped right out like the rest of the fake news out there. Watch my tweets and you will see all the science you will need to see. Trump

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    1. Re:Who needs science? by John+Bodin · · Score: 1

      And no I do not believe this, except so far that is what I assume is going through his head.

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  52. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    forcing your neighbors to pay for your health care at gun point is also not compassionate and generous.

    the question isn't should i pay for other peoples stuff. it's who the hell are you to be telling other people to pay for your stuff. you got a set of brass balls with no shame, that's for sure.

  53. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by StevenMaurer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It was the Republicans and the Dems BOTH who shot down Hillary's Single Payer Health Care Bill

    Wasting time introducing internet kooks to facts is an endless wast of time, but just FYI, "Hillary-care" as it was called, was not exactly single payer. That is part of the reason why the Sanders wing of the Democratic party wasn't all that enchanted with her in 2016.

    It did have the vast majority of Democrats behind it, and Republicans were absolutely terrified that it would prove to the public that the government can solve problems that private markets can't find profit in solving.

    Prominent opposition to the Clinton plan was led by William Kristol and his policy group Project for the Republican Future, which is widely credited with orchestrating the plan's defeat through a series of now legendary "policy memos" faxed to Republican leaders.

    The long-term political effects of a successful... health care bill will be even worse—much worse.... It will revive the reputation of... Democrats as the generous protector of middle-class interests. And it will at the same time strike a punishing blow against Republican claims to defend the middle class by restraining government.

    —William Kristol, "Defeating President Clinton's Healthcare Proposal", December 1993

  54. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by skullandbones99 · · Score: 2

    WW2 when the US government was NOT coming to Great Britain's aid until after Perl Harbour happened in December 1941 some 2 years after the start of WW2. Churchill had to pay the US to get the US to send supplies across the Atlantic whilst the German's sunk many of the convoys via their U-boats.

    The Battle of Britain in the summer of 1940 was the British Royal Air Force up against the German Air Force. Britain had a small number of air crews from other European and Commonwealth countries such as Poland, Canada and India. The US government was absent from the fight citing that it was a European war.

    I agree that after WW2 there was the US Marshall plan in 1948 to help rebuild Western Europe however, the European governments had to pay back the US over decades. In addition, the US motives included pushing back communism to Eastern Europe.

    Please try to get your facts right.

  55. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Republicans killing the three main elements that would have kept the prices lower, and the ACA working - expanded medicare coverage, individual mandate and initial risk corridor subsidy - is what made the increases higher than they should have been, and is why it's crumbling, especially in red states, that then affect everyone else.

  56. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was crumbling when Obama was in office too. Face it, Obamacare is a bust. It failed. The people almost immediately voted out the idiots who passed it and have been voting in people who promise to repeal it for the past six years now. It's time to accept that it's a failed idea and kill it before it starts literally killing people.

  57. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by sexconker · · Score: 1

    The Republicans killing the three main elements that would have kept the prices lower, and the ACA working - expanded medicare coverage, individual mandate and initial risk corridor subsidy - is what made the increases higher than they should have been, and is why it's crumbling, especially in red states, that then affect everyone else.

    The Republicans haven't killed anything yet. Obamacare is still the law of the land, and I'm forced to pay in thousands to get zero back out.

  58. Is science listed in the constitution? by nicoleb_x · · Score: 0

    Sorry folks, the constitution is still important and nowhere does it state the that the executive branch should promote science and education. Federalism leaves those kind of things to anybody else but not the federal government. Why would you look to the federal government for science, education or even healthcare?

    1. Re:Is science listed in the constitution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry folks, the constitution is still important and nowhere does it state the that the executive branch should promote science and education.

      Well, the legislative branch has a constitutional responsibility to do so, and the executive branch's job is to oversee execution of the laws put in place by the legislative branch, so in fact it does have such a responsibility. Remember, the constitution doesn't say what laws must be put in place, it says what effects those laws must have (or not have). In the modern world, fulfilling the obligations set out by the constitution necessitates that congress support education and the sciences. And probably health care. Or at least doing a better job of regulating the pharmaceutical industry, if they're reluctant to joint he rest of the civilized world because Reaganomics.

    2. Re:Is science listed in the constitution? by meglon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The constitution also states we should only have a standing army during an invasion or insurrection.... but never lasting more than 2 years. It says nothing about an Air Force. It does say a standing Navy, but not a separate Marine Corp. So what you're saying is, we need to disband the entire Army (they've been active more than 2 years now), remove all our military members from all other countries, eliminate all of our Air Force, and move the Marines back into the Navy's chain of command.

      OR, are you saying, you don't even know what's in the Constitution, but you just have to bring it up to try to use it's authority to make your ignorance seem useful?

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  59. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "We helped Europe deal with Nazi Germany,"

    Yeah, only after allies begged us to, while our ships were being sunk, and believed Nazi Germany was coming in over Greenland and suspected Mexico. We sat and dragged our ass while millions died, then sent hundreds of thousands of our boys in insufficient arms to be slaughtered.

    btw, under Trump's idiocy, he would have remained isoataionist, and his motto of make America great again stems from the isolationists at that time.

    "We defeated Japan,"

    Yes, and you left a lot of things out.

    The same Japan that we forced open that went through at least 2 civil wars, then settled on a military backed government, which built up and embarked on attacking the Russia and China repeatedly?

    The same Japan we supplied and steel to, as they rampaged through the Sinosphere? When European allies begged us to stop it, we continued to supply them? The same Japan that then bombed us at Pearl Harbor when we largely withdrew finally fuel supplies, with US trained generals and with airplanes and ships made with US steel in them?

    You omit the many 1960s and 1970s Japanese protests against US rule. You also admit many of the Showa era changes that the Japanese own, not the US.

    It's one of the reasons China is so wary of us, because of what we did in WWII to them using Japan as a proxy, and why they are sticking it to us in kind using North Korea today.

    Please don't ever say we are the world's police. We do good things, but your list ignores the many grievous ills of our modern past. We have plenty of bad policies that we ignore that lead up to many of the conflicts we end up 'resolving.' And Trump is leading the way today, hence the OP's claims are more spot on than your defense against it.

    Cuba and Iran of old laugh at your claims. Syria and Iraq of most recent times are flipping you the hell off.

    What a completely ignorant, revisionist history post.

  60. Re:Who needs science advisors when you have Barron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He can certainly do your mom with it.

  61. Re: Kind, compassionate idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lock the emergency room doors and only admit card carying medical buyers. Contact a waste company to pick up the bodies in the morning. Require a medical account number to dial for emergency services.
      It chaps my @ss that I have to pay for other people's police protection too. I mean can't they afford basic personal security? Losers.

  62. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by anegg · · Score: 1

    and we continue to confuse "health care" with insurance against risks to our health, demanding that insurers cover the cost of regular health care, with many people expecting that their health insurance premiums should be lower than the cost of their health care (otherwise they wouldn't be getting anything out of it).

    and we confuse the idea of figuring out why health care is expensive with the idea of helping people afford health insurance and health care. As far as I can tell, the number 1 reason why health care is so expensive is that the folks who could control health care costs (by voting with their dollars) haven't clue #1 about what any health care services actually cost. And until we fix that, we have no hope of figuring out how to reign in health care expenditures.

  63. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The US is the first to lend aid in disasters around the world.

    I'm not quite sure what you mean by "disasters around the world".

    There's the whole mess in the Middle East. But you could make a compelling case that the USA is a major cause: invading Iraq and creating conditions that allowed the rise of ISIS, supporting brutal dictatorship like Saudi Arabia, and supporting what is basically apartheid in Israel.

    And then there's just the whole world poverty thing. Globally, somewhere around 20,000 children die of poverty every day. That's a higher death rate than the Nazis achieved with their death camps. The USA is the third largest country in the world by population - and largest in terms of total GDP. But, per capita, the USA is fairly far down the list in terms of charitable spending - particularly if you only count real charities like Doctors without Borders and leave out the weird religious missionary stuff.

    We helped Europe deal with Nazi Germany,...

    It was mostly the Soviet Union that defeated Nazi Germany. So it was lucky for everyone else that the Soviet Union switched sides mid-war. If not, the outcome of WWII would almost certainly been very different. Here's a little image that provides a nice summary. :)

    We defeated Japan,...

    If you have a quick look at a map and compare the size of Japan to the territory they hoped to control (China, Indonesia, the Philippines, etc), it's pretty clear that Japan had bitten off way more than it could chew even without its foolish attack on Pearl Harbor. Speaking of which, are you really suggesting that the USA went to war with Japan solely out of concern for countries like Indonesia - and the attack on Pearl Harbor was of no consequence?

    The US is the worlds policemen,...

    The USA mainly has a long history of doing the Banana Republic thing - supporting brutal dictators around the world who are willing to help the ultra-rich of the USA exploit their subjects. That's not to say that the USA has never joined up with alliances of other countries to defeat some really crazy countries that were trying to take over the world. But any serious history of the USA has it putting the interest of its rich people first and foremost over anything like charity or even basic human decency.

    We're idiots, but compassionate and generous.

    I suppose everyone in the world has a bit of compassion and generosity buried way down deep somewhere. But, if you think that Americans somehow have more compassion and generosity that everyone else then you're living in a complete fantasy world.

  64. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Am I suppose to buy someone else's food as well?

  65. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by meglon · · Score: 2

    No. It's been undermined before it even passed by worthless, fucking greedy, self serving, anti-American, anti-Christian republicans. Pull your head out of your ass and check out reality for once in your life.

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  66. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by meglon · · Score: 1

    Face it, you're a fucking idiot who is so gullible you believed everything the rat bastard republicans said. Why is it you conservatives lie so fucking much? Have you no integrity or morals?

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  67. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by meglon · · Score: 1

    So what you're saying is, you're too fucking stupid to understand what "insurance" is. I honestly can't tell if you're just a fucking liar, or actually as completely fucking stupid as your posts make you out to be.

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  68. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by meglon · · Score: 1

    Well, you also have to give a little credit to some of the post-war people who understood that one of the lead-up problems to WW2 was the draconian measures we forced onto Germany after WW1. At least they were smart enough to try something different to produce a better results. Still not really compassion... but we have a lot of mentally challenged people here in the US who can't be bothered to actually learn what a word means before using it..... or learn anything else, for that matter.

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  69. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Soviet union switched sides?
    I think it was more that Germany attacked first. They never switched sides, they just fought against Germany, not for allies.

  70. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

    And yet, when it comes to providing healthcare for all US citizens, it's "fuck them, why should I pay for other people's healthcare".

    No, you aren't compassionate and generous.

    Exploitative is more accurate.

    This is why I will add to my US Citizenship naturalized UK and EU citizenship within the year.

    I spent 17 years training (in the US) to be a leader in my field, enhancing the economy and general welfare of US citizens, while also teaching them. A major medical injury ended that career trajectory, and the "social safety net" is telling me to go fuck off now. Back when I had just got my BS, I had several job offers on a management track, which I declined, choosing an advanced education instead. I have essentially sacrificed earning about $2,000,000 in personal salary in order to better serve my country.

    The US does not have a social safety net. The US does not have a STEM shortage – just a shortage of fresh graduates who won't insist on salaries that their skills deserve. And over-skilled (read: expensive) talent that is pushed to train all of these babies with their decades of wisdom. . . just before the next round of layoffs/department eliminations/redundancy eliminations or whatever they want to call it.

    In the US:
        (1) Never be over-qualified
        (2) Never have a major medical event
    You will be kicked to the curb.

    No good deed goes unpunished.

  71. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by txmason · · Score: 2

    So what you're saying is, you're too fucking stupid to understand what "insurance" is. I honestly can't tell if you're just a fucking liar, or actually as completely fucking stupid as your posts make you out to be.

    Insurance is for catastrophic unforeseen events. Obamacare is pre-paid health care. You don't use car insurance to fill your gas tank, change the oil, or get a new tire. Why the hell do you need medical insurance for a routine predictable medical event?

  72. An with Obama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And with Obama...no honesty, no willingness to explain his agenda until it was already shoved down our throats, the lies, the lack of basic transparency, his loyalty to illegals over real Americans the race baiting.....shall we go on? Just saying.

  73. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by Sir+Holo · · Score: 2

    But we didn't "provide healthcare", we simply required people to buy health insurance at higher premiums and with higher deductibles than before. Thanks for putting the insurance companies in our pockets, guys! And Obamacare is crumbling, most of the "exchanges" will be defunct by next year if it is left just as the Democrats (it was passed by a partisan super-majority) and Obama intended. Except for the bit where they expected a Democrat to be in the White House to declare it defunct so they could replace it with something worse.

    My health insurance, with the same provider providing the same level of coverage, cost 1/3 of what it did before the ACA went into effect.

  74. Wait till there is a crisis. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This buffoon will be even more hilarious to watch.
    America is now a failed state.

  75. Will be replaced by OFSFTP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Office of Financial Science and FinTech Policy...

  76. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Soviet Union and Nazi Germany started the war with a non-aggression pact where they invaded Poland together and divided it between themselves.

  77. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Undermined? It was passed by 100% Democrats. It's funny to blame them for a failure of a law that they had no part in, while simultaneously absolving the people who wrote it.

  78. Mic drop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One drops the mic for triumph.

    This doesn't sound like she was winning...

    1. Re:Mic drop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe she was bored of winning?

      "We Will Have So Much Winning If I Get Elected That You May Get Bored With Winning"

  79. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by PoopJuggler · · Score: 1

    Why the hell do you need medical insurance for a routine predictable medical event

    Because once that routine event turns up something horrible, you won't be insurable.

  80. So Hillary lied in 1996? by dbIII · · Score: 1

    So Hillary lied in 1996 with the stupid sort of shit many politicians do of vastly overstating danger every time they go onto the same continent as a military situation?
    So? What is the point? Hillary is old news and never coming back. Why are you bringing her up quote altering guy? It's not as if you are not a liar yourself.

  81. Re: Kind, compassionate idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "What a completely ignorant, revisionist history post."

    Although it is certainly no excuse (at all), surely it is ignorance -because- (s)he has learned the revisionist history that the US tells itself.

    Also not an excuse, but it is no different than the revisionist history told in other countries. At least on the subject of WWII (at least my view from the outside) I respect the way Germany attempts to confront its past.

    People in the US can't deal with difficult truths. There is a lack of maturity and an insecurity that makes them dangerous. I feel for my American friends and colleagues as they engage in defence of their collective historical myths, even those who are left leaning.

  82. STEM education and crisis response? by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

    Education and crisis response are not sciences. If you rely on a physicist to figure out how to save people in a burning building, you are going to have a building full of corpses.

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  83. Re: Kind, compassionate idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "It was mostly the Soviet Union that defeated Nazi Germany. So it was lucky for everyone else that the Soviet Union switched sides mid-war. If not, the outcome of WWII would almost certainly been very different"

    Very specifically, Hitler decided to attack the Sovet Union. Stalin had signed a pact with him, but it was a ruse, it seems Hitler had intended to attack them all along.

    Stalin was shocked. He had ignored intel of troop buildups and establishment of supply lines, and should have known this was coming. He apparently took a few days alone in his apartment, the accounts of that suggest he was depressed and overwhelmed.

    No surprise, he knew the only way to defend the Soviet Union was to feed cannon fodder into the meat grinder and wear the German forces down. Attrition. It cost over 20 million lives.

    This all happened long before the US stopped trying to MAGA, oh sorry, before it decided to care about the rest of the world, oh sorry before it was attacked for no reason, oh sorry before it pervoked Japan by cutting off fuel supplies which resulted in Perl Harbor and FDR was able to convince Americans they should do something. By the time America stepped up to the plate, the course of the war was set (I believe the turing point was at Stalingrad, others may disagree).

    Americans suffered an order of magnitude less casualties, but tell themselves they won the war. I'm not a fan of Bolsheviks or their ideology, that isn't the point. The point is the Soviets did this thing, they had to, and for that I'm greatful.

  84. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 1

    It was the Republicans and the Dems BOTH who shot down Hillary's Single Payer Health Care Bill

    Wasting time introducing internet kooks to facts is an endless wast of time, but just FYI, "Hillary-care" as it was called, was not exactly single payer. That is part of the reason why the Sanders wing of the Democratic party wasn't all that enchanted with her in 2016.

    It did have the vast majority of Democrats behind it, and Republicans were absolutely terrified that it would prove to the public that the government can solve problems that private markets can't find profit in solving.

    Prominent opposition to the Clinton plan was led by William Kristol and his policy group Project for the Republican Future, which is widely credited with orchestrating the plan's defeat through a series of now legendary "policy memos" faxed to Republican leaders.

    The long-term political effects of a successful... health care bill will be even worse—much worse.... It will revive the reputation of... Democrats as the generous protector of middle-class interests. And it will at the same time strike a punishing blow against Republican claims to defend the middle class by restraining government.

    —William Kristol, "Defeating President Clinton's Healthcare Proposal", December 1993

    Show this to a poor Republican, "fake news!".

    Show this to a rich Republican, "shhh!... I mean, uh, fake news!"

  85. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by roman_mir · · Score: 0

    Of course nobody should ever under any circumstances be forced by any form of collective government to pay for anybody else for any purpose, education, health care, anything at all. Everyone must survive on his or her own, nothing should be stolen from anybody to help anybody. Voluntary private charity is still there and more of it would exist if taxes didn't.

  86. More Slashdot Fake News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Starting with the obvious clickbait lie in the title, which the editor should know is a lie on the face of it. And since the editor did not correct,,, well you can see where this goes.

  87. The last paid shills departed? by Nexion · · Score: 0

    Oh, awesome! Now perhaps real scientists who adhere to the scientific method can fill the vacuum of disgrace the climate conjecture cronies left behind. I honestly believe that we might be headed towards oblivion, but I really hate when funding promotes findings. Hopefully in the ashes we will see some real science. Perhaps It is a foolish hope, but I would love to see credible advances in how we might improve life on our planet.

  88. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by sexconker · · Score: 1

    Preventative care doesn't lower costs, though. It increases them. A particular individual may get lucky and have something detected early, but the vast majority won't.

  89. Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The science advisors were like art critics in a drawing school: they cramped the style of the government as it makes up new science.

    You don't create the scientific equivalent of cubism while the establishment keeps complaining that you are doing it all wrong.

  90. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    Tribus über alles, it seems.

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  91. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    "Am I my brother's keeper?"

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  92. Good riddance. by sethstorm · · Score: 0

    They weren't science advisors - they were the clerisy for the environmentalists.

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  93. Stanford is a joke. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    If you're a diversity candidate, you get the benefit of the doubt - even if you experience the inconvenience of the courts.

    If you're a conservative or undesirable, you're considered Fair Game for anything.

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    1. Re:Stanford is a joke. by bhiestand · · Score: 1

      If you're a diversity candidate, you get the benefit of the doubt - even if you experience the inconvenience of the courts.

      If you're a conservative or undesirable, you're considered Fair Game for anything.

      Sigh. You do realize the Hoover Institution is at Stanford, right?

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    2. Re:Stanford is a joke. by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 1
      Just saw these replies and literally spit water out of my mouth laughing.

      WOOMMLOL

  94. Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The last thing we need is these assholes controlling our future or getting confused on their roll as a figurehead. Maybe if they don't feel stupid we will get a respectable office. /s

  95. science policy advisors, not actual scientists by mapkinase · · Score: 1

    Here is the LinkedIn profile of the last one to go:

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/el...

    She is a bloody lawyer.

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    1. Re:science policy advisors, not actual scientists by guruevi · · Score: 1

      That's amazing, in less than 5 years from waitress to Presidential Advisor. And these are the people we rely on to govern the country.

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    2. Re:science policy advisors, not actual scientists by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      >That's amazing, in less than 5 years from waitress to Presidential Advisor

      Wow! I missed that juicy bit.

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  96. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not quite sure how fighting the Axis after being attacked by it counts as generous.

    The US could have defeated Japan, its attacker, with a fraction of the effort it put into WWII. Most of its resources, and 80% of US servicemen killed in action (source), were in the European theatre against Germany and Italy. And it could have done so: Hitler would surely have repudiated Japan, given the option, if the US would agree not to enter a war that everyone knew it could eventually win.

    But, instead, the US spent the output of its industry and the blood of its young men to save Europe, and more of its industry, later, to rebuild it, under the Marshall plan. I would be a fool to be ungrateful for that.

  97. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

    The US did not become involved militarily until after Perl Harbor left them little other option, but they did supply logistical support. That's why Germany spent so much effort on attacking those convoys. Yes, Britain paid, but the supplies would not have gotten through without US government support. Private traders dislike selling to places that result in their ships getting torpedoed.

    It's just like any other war: There are plenty of ways in which a non-participant can lend their assistance to one side without having to start shooting. The US sought plausible deniability at the beginning.

  98. From SWEDEN the land of men w/ no balls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Zontar's from SWEDEN's UBI slavery which IS all that results from it, "no go" zones w/ Muslims RAPING your women https://www.google.com/#q=Sweden+and+muslim+rape (you're all "not men" there, punk)).

      Take your meds mentalcase https://slashdot.org/comments....

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  99. Why stop there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why stop there?

    Why not get rid of the CDC, NIST, NOAA, NASA, DARPA, the Pentagon, since warfare is based on the science of killing, and the Treasury, since the economy is based on math?

  100. Because science... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funny that their first statement is scientifically incorrect... 100 is NOT "exponentially" more than 50-60.

  101. Re: Kind, compassionate idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please mod up!

    I learnt something here, shouldn't be the only one...

  102. Re: Kind, compassionate idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Soviets made the sacrifice, but let's be truly honest here: Hitler won the war for us by invading Russia and breaking his army on the Soviet anvil.

  103. Trump behaves just like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    alzheimer's early stages but but well into illness. Wife reacts just like him to TV and internet not lie when she was well.

  104. Science Advisors R Political by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Science advisors are political working an agenda that caters to the elite...

  105. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But we didn't "provide healthcare", we simply required people to buy health insurance at higher premiums and with higher deductibles than before.

    That's outright false. Subsidies for the poor made purchasing healthcare really cheap. For millions of people premiums were under $50 per month and there were also subsidies to cover deductibles and other out-of-pocket expenses. Those subsidies were tied to income not costs so as costs went up, so did the subsidies for ~80% of the people on obamacare.

    The people who got screwed (like myself) were high earners who are self-employed. We don't get subsidies so we have to pay the full bill of the price hikes. But the main reason prices went up is because the republicans (specifically marco rubio) quietly tweaked a very wonkish part of obamacare a few years ago so that a major part of the risk-reduction insurance companies relied on was neutured. And when risk goes up, so do prices.

    How Marco Rubio stealthily gutted ObamaCare

    So, yet again republicans were dedicated to claiming government doesn't work and then going out and proving it by deliberately fucking it all up.

  106. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because over the last ~20 years talk radio and so-called "alternate media" have transformed republicans into the party of liberal tears. Clickservatives aren't about accomplishing policy goals, they are about their team winning. It doesn't matter what they win, only that liberals lose. They are very flexible that way.

  107. So What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    state unambiguously that he was directed to reach out to the Muslim world to make them feel good about their contributions to science and engineering.

    So what?

    NASA has always been about public relations. They are the single most popular government agency in the world. They have had their own television network since the early 80s. You seem to have a bug up your ass that one of the many, many areas of outreach was to the second largest group of people on the planet.

    Lest you forget, the X Prize was founded by Anousheh Ansari a female muslim immigrant from Iran. Seems like encouraging more people like her is exactly what NASA ought to be doing.

    1. Re:So What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coddling does not advance society. It weakens and hinders it.

    2. Re:So What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no coddling here. Anousheh earned that money herself. She is a hands-on director of the X-Prize, and trained just as hard as any other astronaut for her trip into space. I know this first-hand as she's friends with my wife who is also muslim.

      What have you done with your life, you pathetic little panty-waste?

    3. Re:So What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, I don't know. Learn how to read? I mean, I understood we weren't talking explicitly about Anousheh, but why didn't you?

      The topic is a mandate that NASA had for muslim outreach. Try and keep up.

  108. A couple of modest proposals for a solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First: a modest proposal to cure the problem: some interviewing suggestions. If they answer yes to any, NEVER hire them (and pass on their unsuitability to make forward progress)

    "Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Trump Administration"
    "Are you now, or have you ever been employed by a company owned by Donald Trump or his relatives"

    A second proposal:All federally elected officials are automatically subject to the following:
    - maximum taxable rates on their income. Period.
    - mandatory tax audits by the IRS
    - Apply this to all presidential appointees. Retroactively

    Third: Congress and Senate are subject to the maximum taxable rates on their income
    Fourth: Congress and Senate are subject to any health care programs they vote in. No special favors for them.
    Fifth: Congress and Senate are subject to any/all pension limitations imposed upon private citizens (no automagic pensions)

  109. Welcome to the world of politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In politics world, campaign staff and other supporters are offered jobs in government when a winning candidate takes over. When Obama won, he flodded all agencies of government with his political supporters who then used those positions to push his agenda through the permanent burueacracy. Democrats are great at this because they believe in massive government running everything. Republican stink at this because they generally do not think government should even be involved in lots of the stuff it is into.

    If you like government involvement in everything and its actions being guided by political activists who were recently college kids or waitresses (and who plan to spend their entire careers as lawyers or government burueacrats) then by all means vote Democrat. If you want less of this, vote Republican or Libertarian.

    If you think there is anything wrong with this lady (or her other colleagues on that linkedin page) being in charge of America's science and technology agenda (as opposed to things like market forces, national security demands, etc) then you might want to consider the alternative of SMALLER GOVERNMENT - the sort our founders designed and specified in the Constitution.

  110. There are larger concerns right now.... by DrStoooopid · · Score: 0

    "There are no science advisors?!?!? Oh noes...." Seriously, STFU...The warp reactor is critical, the shield are down, there's a romulan spy on-board, and you're worried about whether Spock is on the bridge??! Just stfu.....

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  111. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by meglon · · Score: 1

    http://www.salon.com/2010/02/2...

    If you can pull your head out of your ass long enough to read, and understand, this... then do so; and quit being a gullible fucking idiot. Why are conservatives such worthless fucking liars all the fucking time?

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  112. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  113. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since you clearly aren't a "gullible" "idiot," do you think someone with your mental powers could help get this all-Democrat mess get straightened out?

    Why universal health care died in California

    Should be easy for you, right?

    California’s Single-Payer Healthcare Bill Isn’t Based in Reality

  114. Re:That would be regular ol' US citizens. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So he says, but nothing he's done so far has actually helped those supposedly marginalized peoples. He's trying to prop up a coal industry that is failing largely due to market forces by harming other industries instead of helping those communities attract new business or retrain the workers. The healthcare plan would lower monthly costs as long as you were healthy, but if you actually have to use it at all, would be much more expensive in total costs to the lower and middle class. His tax changes are regressive and seek to largely help shareholders with no appreciable benefit to actual workers.

  115. Good riddance. by sethstorm · · Score: 0

    They weren't science advisors, they were the clerisy for the environmentalists.

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  116. That would be regular ol' US citizens. by sethstorm · · Score: 0

    He represents the US, especially those marginalized by leftist policies.

    There's more to the US than what the modbombing left will acknowledge.

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  117. Explain what is untrue. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    What has been said of Stanford has been proven through the toxicity of the leftist student population.

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  118. Re: Kind, compassionate idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes it's called food stamps asshole. It keeps desperate hungry people from stealing your shit and hurting you for it.

  119. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're already paying for it, in increased emergency room visits by people with no insurance. If those same people have access to care (like, say, affordable health insurance coverage), they can get that cut looked at before it goes septic, costing you far less.

    But you're too indignant about not "paying for other peoples stuff" to allow yourself to understand that. And I'll bet you anything that as soon as you need services of some kind that you can't afford to pay for, you'll be changing your tune.

    Health care is a basic need for human life, the costs of which need to be spread out among society in one way or another. One way is to deny poor people basic care until it becomes an expensive emergency, at which point the emergency room sees them (who do you think pays for that?). Another way is to fund access to preventive healthcare and attempt to control spiraling costs.

  120. US Citizens. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    The United States is more than just the 3 million illegals in California and all the leftists on the coastlines.

    It is also the citizens that have not seen opportunities return to them - as a result of the prior regime that ended January 20th of this year.

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  121. Re:Kind, compassionate idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean the Republicans have the "fuck them" attitude. The Democrats finally bit the bullet and raised taxes to attempt to cover the proles. Now if they hadn't relied on the insurance companies, they'd have done much better.

    You mean they could have created another health care system like the Veteran's Administration except everyone would be required to use it?

    What kind of evil bastard are you?

  122. Regular US Citizens. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    He represents the US, especially those marginalized by leftist/globalist policies.

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  123. and yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    more science is happening.

    it is refreshing to see nasa get some attention for just one example.