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Tesla Says Its Model 3 Car Will Go On Sale On Friday (apnews.com)
Electric car maker Tesla says its keenly awaited Model 3 car for the masses will go on sale on Friday. From a AP report: CEO Elon Musk made the announcement Monday on Twitter. The car is to start around $35,000 and with a $7,500 federal electric car tax credit, could cost $27,500. Tesla says the five-seat car will be able to go 133 miles (215 kilometers) on a single charge and will be sporty, accelerating from zero to 60 miles per hour in under six seconds. Editor's note: the article was updated after the Associated Press, the original source, updated its report.
215 miles is roughly 346 kilometers (not 133).
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Nah, whoever did the conversion messed up the operation (divide/multiply). Per Tesla's site, the range is 215 miles.
It's not, but per the Tesla site, the range is 215 miles. Whoever did the conversion just messed up.
https://www.tesla.com/model3
Nope, it is 215 miles. https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/mo... It is the kilometres that is wrong, should be 346km.
Ok, so, it's range is 215 miles (according to the Tesla site, not the screwed up conversion in TFS). If you commute 30 miles each way, that's 60 miles, leaving you plenty for errands during the work day. Even if driving in traffic blows your efficiency (which should be less true of EVs, but still will have some effect) you'll not have range issues in that scenario. With it's safety, comfort, and low operating costs, it's a good commuter car if you're in the market for a nearly $30K commuter car.
Longer trips require more planning, because we're in early days. It's a lot like when gas cars were new & you had to be sure to have a way to get enough fuel. Now, you've either got to make sure there are chargers along your route, or rent a gas-burner for the trip. It's a trade off, and people have legit points to support whichever decision they make.
From the website:
Starting price in USD. Local pricing will be announced in 2017.
Production begins mid 2017.
Delivery estimate for new reservations is mid 2018 or later.
Elon's tweets say:
Model 3 passed all regulatory requirements for production two weeks ahead of schedule. Expecting to complete SN1 on Friday
Handover party for first 30 customer Model 3's on the 28th! Production grows exponentially, so Aug should be 100 cars and Sept above 1500.
Looks like we can reach 20,000 Model 3 cars per month in Dec
Range starts at 215 miles with the base battery, but can be more. For long-distance trips you use Superchargers which are usually very convenient.
I find the people who obsess over range to be non-Tesla owners who just don't understand that having a full "tank of gas" every morning with no effort more than makes up for the occasional road trip when you need to use Superchargers.
So, someone posted a comment on the internet that you don't like. In your mind, that apparently justifies wishing they die a horrible death. You're also the person who, within the past few weeks, told someone in a comment to put a gun in his mouth and shoot himself. Your violent tendencies are frightening. I suggest that you seek professional help because you're pretty obviously a danger to the people around you. Or perhaps you should spend some time behind lock and key if you can't control your violent behavior. This world needs more civility, and your post is truly awful. It's also part of a pattern you've exhibited in many of your posts.
Depends on the charger of course, but assuming you are using Tesla's supercharger, you should get approximately 80% battery in under 25min.
means that the car can travel without any problem for 2 hours on a single charge
Probably 3 hours. My existing Leaf with 150 mile range can do a couple of hours in the UK. Speed limit is 70 MPH, about 120 KPH.
Though I've hread that Telsa is producing adapter (at least ChaDeMo)
ChaDeMo adaptors are already available... ChaDeMo is the most common type of rapid charger in the UK, but on the continent it's mostly CCS.
It's not over priced, it's the regular price of a car once you factor in the price of the battery.
Agreed, and depending on the base spec it could actually be very good value when you factor in fuel and maintenance savings. There are taxi companies in the UK with Leafs that have over 200k miles on them and almost zero maintenance beyond the tyres and brake pads. By the time an ICE car gets to 200k on the clock the chances are it will have had more than the cost of a battery spent on maintenance. Exhaust, filters, spark plugs, radiator, belts, starter motors, fluids, gearbox, clutch, pumps... All consumable items not rated for the lifetime of the vehicle.
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Meanwhile, neither the imperial or metric systems were invented in the 19th century.
Longer trips require more planning, because we're in early days. It's a lot like when gas cars were new & you had to be sure to have a way to get enough fuel.
No, it's not like that at all. Batteries just don't hold the same amount of energy as gasoline, neither by volume nor by weight.
A car back in the early days could carry extra gasoline. An electric car can't carry extra batteries for the same range extension, because the extra volume and weight would be prohibitive.
The order of magnitude difference between how much energy is stored in gasoline versus how much is stored even in the best batteries is too big to be caught up by incremental improvements - a radically different new battery type would have to be discovered.
Workarounds have been investigated.
Ultra-rapid charging stations have their own problems in that you get far less usable energy per kWh drawn from the grid, and much higher cost due to local consumables (batteries). It's not nearly as green.
You also shorter range after filling unless you then switch to slow charging at the end, in which case it takes a long time again, and you need more charging spots.
Ad-hoc battery replacement is another one, where you switch out packs of batteries. One problem with that is that you lose your original new battery for someone's old battery, which wasn't attractive for users in the test pilot. And it requires standardization between brands, or it will be too expensive to have wide coverage.
For now, hybrids seem to be a better solution. You can take advantage of the immensely higher energy density of gasoline and rapid fueling, while still having the benefits of electric motors.
However, turning on the AC in traffic kills the battery...
Actually, it doesn't. I've been driving a Nissan LEAF (a car with a much smaller battery) for five years now, and I don't worry about the range impact of the AC at all. The heater is a different story, but AC has virtually no impact on range.
I think part of the reason that AC seems to impact gasoline efficiency more than EV range is the fact that gasoline engines generate a lot of heat. There's a semi-insulated firewall between the engine compartment and the passenger compartment, but I think a lot of the heat still makes its way through, so an ICEV's AC has to work a lot harder. Electric motors produce very little heat anyway, and none when not moving. Batteries also produce a little heat when discharging, but, again, that is negligible except when at high output... which only happens briefly, during acceleration, and even then isn't that much.
All of this means that EV AC only has to cool the passenger compartment from heat that flows in from outside and is generated by incoming sunlight. It doesn't have to fight heat coming from a 200-degree block of metal sitting two feet in front of the passenger cabin, or the heat from the tailpipe flowing under the passenger cabin.
Anyway, that's only my theory, I don't know if it's remotely related to the truth. What I do know is that running the AC has negligible effect on range. I have a few times opted to turn the cabin heater off in the winter to make sure that I had enough battery to get to my destination (which isn't as bad as it sounds, since the car has heated seats and steering wheel; and those have no impact on range). I have never found it to be of any use to turn off the AC. If I'm getting close to the end of my battery in the summer, the only thing I can do is get off the freeway so I can drive slower.
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I'm a Model S owner (P100D -- range about 325 miles or so)
I recently took my Tesla on two family trips. one to Pinhurst, NC (about 600 miles) and one to Deep Creek Lake (about 200 miles).
the car performed spectacularly on both. we easily fit everything we needed for a week's stay in a cabin for a family of four in the trunk and the frunk (the back is cavernous for a sedan).
on the Pinehurst trip, I stopped halfway at a supercharger station in the parking lot of a nice family restaurant / pub. the car was ready to continue well before we finished eating lunch.
At Deep Creek Lake, I simply plugged in to a standard 120 volt exterior outlet on the cabin, but there were also destination chargers around the area if I had needed to charge more quickly.
particularly on the coasts, there are are tons options for charging when necessary. However, I feel like focusing on charging is missing the point. Since buying the car in September, those two long trips are the only times i've ever had to charge the car publicly. it charges overnight in my garage. i've got a full 325+ mile range every morning. it's like owning a car that never needs a fillup. (plus the acceleration has to be experienced to be believed :) )
i could live a little longer in this prison
all cars, including this one, can brake far faster than they can accelerate.
somehow i'm missing your point.
wait, you're not actually unaware that the car has traditional brakes and pads in addition to the regen feature, are you?
i could live a little longer in this prison
AC doesn't really make much difference in my gas powered vehicle. Mileage from the summer when it runs nonstop, wide open cold to cool days when I ride with no AC is absolutely nothing. 19 MPG year round unless I take a road trip and mileage goes up to 24 on the Interstate. I had an AC problem where the compressor died and it was a few days before I could get it into the shop. That week I ran with the windows down and no AC. My mileage dropped to 17.5. Aerodynamics apparently makes more difference.
My Model S does 0-60 in 2.3 seconds. that's in "ludicrous+" mode. I can either put it in plain old "Ludicrous" mode, which is 0-60 in about 2.5 seconds, or i can put it in "sport" mode, which is 0-60 in about 4 seconds. that's the lowest setting.
of course, you also have the option to not fucking floor it from a standstill if you don't want to. do you normally drive with your foot stapled to the floor? if you're concerned about efficiency, simply don't drive like a maniac.
the motor pushes energy to the wheels in proportion to your throttle input. i feel like someone with a driver's license should probably understand that concept.
i could live a little longer in this prison
Moderators on this site are in a gang. They don't mod down their own kind. Their job is to mod down people who post against the group-think values.
You realise mod points are basically assigned at random to people with good karma and if you don't spend them they go after a week or something? This isn't reddit.
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Partially true, partially not.
1) Battery age: This is correct. Battery range declines with time. Tesla warranties their packs for 75% of the initial range, for 8 years and unlimited km.
2) Temperate climate: This is mostly correct - but it can go either way. Tesla's range calculator shows, for example, that the P75D (EPA range 259mi) at 65mph does:
0F, heat on: 211mi
32F, heat on: 233mi
50F, heat on: 253mi
50F, heat off: 267mi
70F, AC off: 275mi
90F, AC off: 279mi
90F, AC on: 260mi
110F, AC on: 246mi
3) Traffic: It depends entirely on the type of traffic. While gasoline vehicles perform best at the lowest speed they can manage in their highest gear, EV optimum speeds are far lower, often in the ballpark of 20 mph, where their ranges can exceed their EPA ranges several times over. For example, the above P75D (EPA range 259mi) has the following speed-range depenency (70, no heat/AC)
Sub-45 mph: Not included in the calculator
45mph: 404mi
50mph: 367mi
55mph: 334mi
60mph: 303mi
65mph: 275mi
70mph: 250mi
Over 70mph: Not included in the calculator
Steady-moving traffic that simply slows down travel speeds actually increases EV range, potentially significantly. However, braking in traffic that strongly fluctuates between speeds wastes energy - Li-ion EV regenerative braking is generally 50-75% efficient round-trip (hybrids, with their small NiMH packs, generally are much less efficient round-trip, around 30%). In general, low speeds advantages win out over braking disadvantages, which is why EVs generally do much better in city driving than highway driving - the opposite of gasoline vehicles.
A key detail most people miss over when talking about traffic: does anyone realize how long of a drive you're talking about when you describe using up an entire EV's range in stop-and-go traffic? Say you're talking about an average speed of 15mph for an EV that would have 200 miles range in that conditions. You're talking about spending over thirteen hours in traffic in those conditions. When was the last time you spent over thirteen hours continuously in traffic?
Dear Diary...today I was pompous and my sister was crazy.
When was the last time you spent over thirteen hours continuously in traffic?
I live in Atlanta you insensitive clod!
Yes it's an anecdote! Were you expecting original research in a Slashdot comment?