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Microsoft To Offer Local Version of Azure Cloud Service (reuters.com)

Microsoft on Monday unveiled a new service that allows customers to use its cloud technology on their own servers, part of the company's efforts to refocus its product line to compete more effectively with rivals Amazon and Google. From a report: "One of the key differentiations we have with Azure versus our two biggest competitors in the cloud platform space is our ability to support true hybrid solutions," Judson Althoff, Microsoft's executive vice president of worldwide commercial business, told Reuters. Microsoft is hoping to carve a niche among customers who cannot or do not want to have to move all their computing operations to the massive shared data centers that are collectively known as the cloud. Azure Stack could serve companies in highly regulated industries or in parts of the world where using the cloud is not yet feasible, Althoff said.

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  1. Re:The year of Linux on the desktop by Powys · · Score: 1

    Yeah, okay. Keep telling yourself that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  2. I can haz my own cloud by Osgeld · · Score: 3, Funny

    I shall keep it in a jar and call it betty

    1. Re:I can haz my own cloud by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      We have a guy like that here--hides everything for job security. The coffee maker is also a server. When bleep happens, we use names much more colorful than "Betty".

  3. Local cloud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Also known as a regular server.

    1. Re:Local cloud by bobmajdakjr · · Score: 1

      to compete with amazon and google, lol. more like trying to find a way to worm out of hosting azure so they can shut it down.

    2. Re:Local cloud by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Funny

      Also known as a regular server.

      But it has synergized separation of cloud docker containers so you can de-synchronize when your docker containers need decontained hypervisors re-docked and revirtualized. And, you can blockchain your deep-learning for an ambient UX experience.

      In other words, it's buzzwordified so they can charge more.

  4. Re:Drip computing. by Lab+Rat+Jason · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty sure it should be called MicroBur$t.

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  5. My local cloud: by DogDude · · Score: 2, Funny

    Right click folder.
    Click "share".

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    1. Re:My local cloud: by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Right click folder. Click "share".

      I accidentally clicked "share" on my Android and got NO feedback about what just happened. As far as I know, there's now a public Google site with all my phone shit on it.

      Google has already been "leaky" with anything I did on or near Google. My call-answer avatar is a gargoyle that I once used as an icon but never approved as an avatar. Not a good look for job hunting. When I explain it, they say, "We'll, we only hire people who can figure out Google Sharing." I guess I deserve it. I'll call the guy who got my job and ask him how to scrub my avatar.

  6. Makes Sense, Really by EndlessNameless · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Azure offers a lot of features that are not available in Windows clustering. It can appeal to enterprises that want highly available services without dependency on internet or hosted storage.

    On Microsoft's side, this product is just repackaging and selling code that is 99% the same as what they run internally, so it has a lot of potential and relatively little cost.

    Between this and VMware supporting Linux containers natively, mid-tier and smaller enterprises are getting a lot of new options thrown at them.

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    1. Re:Makes Sense, Really by kriston · · Score: 1

      The only problem is that Hyper-V is really bad at sharing memory among VMs. You'd be wasting money compared to VMware, honestly.

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    2. Re:Makes Sense, Really by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Funny I found the opposite. Vmware doesn't use shared memory under Windows hosts

    3. Re:Makes Sense, Really by kriston · · Score: 1

      Yes, VMware does use shared memory on Windows hosts.

      in VMware, the VM balloon driver tells all its "guest" VMs that it has all its allocated memory available even when it isn't (when it is shared).

      Hyper-V, though, tells its "guest" VMs that the true amount of memory is exactly what is available right now. This means that Linux VMs on Hyper-V invoke the out-of-memory-killer since these so-called "8 GB" VMs are actually getting "1 GB" on an over-subscribed host.

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  7. Vuja De by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny

    1981: "It's a PC, it's like a mainframe on your desktop."

    1995: "It's an Application Server, it's like a PC on a mainframe."

    2011: "Cloud: it's like an Application Server on a mainframe."

    2017: "Local Cloud: it's like a mainframe on your Application Server."

    2025: "It's a Metatizer, it's like an X on a Y, where YOU define what an X and Y is. Good luck figuring it out; we can't. Oh, and thanks for the check!"

    1. Re:Vuja De by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      It's "check" here across the pond. E-check?, Cloud-check?, MS-Check? Oh sh8t!

    2. Re:Vuja De by bobmajdakjr · · Score: 1

      why pay for managed azure hosting monthly when you can pay for unmanaged azure licensing yearly and spend too much money with dell to keep up every year.

    3. Re:Vuja De by najajomo · · Score: 1

      Haaa .. nice ...

      Tablizer:

      - quote -

      1981: "It's a PC, it's like a mainframe on your desktop."
      1995: "It's an Application Server, it's like a PC on a mainframe."
      2011: "Cloud: it's like an Application Server on a mainframe."
      2017: "Local Cloud: it's like a mainframe on your Application Server."
      2025: "It's a Metatizer, it's like an X on a Y, where YOU define what an X and Y is. Good luck figuring it out; we can't. Oh, and thanks for the check!"

      - unquote -

    4. Re:Vuja De by TuringTest · · Score: 1

      2025: "It's a Metatizer, it's like an X on a Y, where YOU define what an X and Y is. Good luck figuring it out; we can't. Oh, and thanks for the check!"

      You're aware you've just created a category of products called Metatizer, right? The name is incredibly catchy.

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  8. Re:The year of Linux on the desktop by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Informative

    At this point Linux servers are mostly for small blogs and criminal organizations.

    Hmm..I dunno what rock you live under, but most any server room I've worked in for the past few decades, is about 99% Linux...with only the token windows server in the mix here and there.

    That was mostly Federal systems....

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  9. Re:The year of Linux on the desktop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The shills never die, at least not while their untraceable bitcoin payments keep flowing.

  10. Re:What exactly makes a private cloud different fr by darkain · · Score: 3, Interesting

    On-demand scalability of local resources. You have 100x servers running a collection of VMs that can scale up and down across these servers as demands change for each application. One particular module starts to get hit hard, that app can spawn more instances across your local cluster, and possibly also downscale lesser used apps to give it more resources.

    This is essentially what Docker or VMWare is, but for the Microsoft world.

  11. Re:What exactly makes a private cloud different fr by Nkwe · · Score: 5, Informative
    A real cloud solution is much more then just running a single virtual machine in someone else's data center. With a real cloud solution you specify to your cloud provider the workload you want to run along with your performance and availability requirements. The cloud provider then provisions and manages whatever hardware is necessary to meet your requirements. Assuming that you have asked for (and paid for) redundancy, hardware failures are transparent to you as failing hardware is automatically detected and replaced for you. If you need more (or less performance) you can adjust your declared requirements and the cloud provider will either swap out your existing (potentially virtual) machines for larger or smaller ones (or add / remove machines from your pool); they will do this without you having to redeploy your workload, in some cases you can do this with no downtime.

    Azure (and other cloud providers) don't just offer pure virtual machines, they also offer virtual components that you can use to build applications with. Components include storage (relational, non-relational tables, basic blob), communication (queues, message routing, load balancing), compute component hosting, web content component hosting, authentication services, etc. By developing a cloud based application, you can worry about your logic and architecture, and not have to worry about deploying and maintaining basic infrastructure services.

    What exactly is a "private cloud" if not a server? What am I missing?

    A private cloud (a real private cloud, not just a single server offering file storage over the Internet) is a set of management tools that takes a pool of hardware and offers it up as logical computing components that can be leveraged by application developers with the goal of being able to develop your applications against a generic model and leaving the hardware and resource allocation and maintenance to the cloud management software (which is typically operated by people other than your development staff.)

  12. Re:Drip computing. by green1 · · Score: 1

    A hard drive?

  13. Re:What exactly makes a private cloud different fr by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

    Only if you do it right wich is something very very few places actually do. Making something scale still takes good design.

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  14. This makes no sense... by mark-t · · Score: 2

    To the best of my admittedly limited understanding of the matter, Azure is a cloud storage service that you pay for as you use.... this makes sense when you are using somebody else's resources (Microsoft's), but are we supposed to pay Microsoft now to use our own servers instead?

    Then again, maybe it does make sense... but strikes me as so self-evidently pointless as to defy any sense of reason why Microsoft would expect people to pay for it.

    1. Re:This makes no sense... by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      To the best of my admittedly limited understanding of the matter, Azure is a cloud storage service that you pay for as you use.... this makes sense when you are using somebody else's resources (Microsoft's), but are we supposed to pay Microsoft now to use our own servers instead?

      Then again, maybe it does make sense... but strikes me as so self-evidently pointless as to defy any sense of reason why Microsoft would expect people to pay for it.

      Azure is a cloud service - storage, compute, etc. With this, they can host their own internal Azure cloud.

      Why? Well, perhaps you have enough servers to run your applications normally, so you run it in house and not run up cloud service bills. But if you're coming to a peak period, you can ramp up and deploy to Microsoft's servers, expanding your internal Azure "cloud" easily without modifying the software. Then when it settles down again, you can migrate back off from Microsoft's servers and back top internal hosting, saving time and money.

      And since you've deployed to Azure internally, Microsoft captures you as a client for their services. What? You think you're going to develop for Azure and deploy to AWS?

    2. Re:This makes no sense... by enjar · · Score: 1
      This actually makes a fair amount of sense for what we do, for a few use cases:
      • For cloud to on-prem: You have something that has started small on Azure but has now grown to the point that your Azure bill is so large that it makes sense to just put it on a local server. You can migrate it to a local server and not have to change any code over. This is assuming that running Azure in-house is significantly less expensive than running it on Azure itself.
      • You have a pile of data that you don't want to move to Azure for $reasons. $reasons might be "data is too big to move", "data should never leave company network", etc. But you could develop using Azure locally and then if it becomes feasible in the future, you move the application and data with no code changes
      • Developing Azure applications, then deploying them to paying customers. If you have on-prem servers and a pile of software development infrastructure (IDEs, regression tests, debugging tools, version control, etc) keeping that stuff local can offer better performance for your dev staff, but then when you put it on Azure you ship the application but you don't need the "extras" behind it
      • Gets foot in the door at customers who are not ready to move to cloud, but whose developers want to use cloud stuff. Or it allows developers to develop for Azure in parallel with security audits and design for Azure, and move when the company is ready. This removes a significant barrier to entry for a lot of organizations that aren't willing to move to Azure just yet, and might be spending a lot of time on security questions -- those projects can now roll in parallel with those discussions, and even if you never go to the cloud you haven't lost anything.
    3. Re:This makes no sense... by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      There are a lot of industries (banks, insurance, betting etc.) who have to keep control of their data. Some of them can move to the cloud, but don't trust the security enough. Then where I live hosting on American servers is SLOW - to the point that we all play on EU or UK servers when playing online games (where we can). I know there is probably an Azure cluster in the EU etc. but the point remains, network speed could be another reason to host your own cloud on your own network backbone. You get all the advantages of the cloud with none of the drawbacks.

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    4. Re:This makes no sense... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      I agree that there are good reasons to host your own cloud, but why would Microsoft expect people to pay for it? To use a metaphor, it seems that instead of selling fish to people and profiting from that, MS is now giving people their own license to freely fish as much as they want or at least have the ability to do.

    5. Re:This makes no sense... by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      Azure is a cloud storage service

      That's about 2% of what Azure is. I'd just say start with Wikipedia, I can't summarize it any better than they do.

  15. Re:Uh, what? by swb · · Score: 1

    I'd guess this is some kind of a management layer that enables portability for Hyper-V workloads between Azure and on-site Hyper-V at a minimum, but maybe it's also some collection of VMs that will also run other Azure services and allows them to migrate to Azure, too.

    I think this is probably a pretty decent idea, personal feelings about Microsoft software not withstanding. I think a lot of people are looking for easy portability of Windows VMs and Microsoft software services between on-premise and cloud.

  16. Re:There is no cloud. by nnet · · Score: 1

    Where do you want your data to go today?

  17. We called it On-Premises-as-a-Service, or OPaaS by kriston · · Score: 2

    We called it On-Premises-as-a-Service, or OPaaS.

    I shih tsu you not.

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  18. Even older news: Azure Pack by cshay · · Score: 2

    https://www.microsoft.com/en-u...

    This private Azure technology been around for 4 years. MS deprecated their Web Farm Framework in favor of it.

  19. Eucalyptus is already there by bobm · · Score: 1

    This has been around for some time, although more like a - run AWS locally - and it works pretty well.

              https://github.com/eucalyptus

    It's sad that this hasn't taken off more, it's pretty nice to be able to jump back and forth between a private/local bunch of vms and then throw them out on AWS if the need arises. Note that it doesn't have 100% of the AWS functionality but works for my smaller projects.

  20. Re:Language? by bn-7bc · · Score: 1

    Well blem my ADD and english beeing my second languae, tbh my spelling anfd grammar is equlay shit in my first language

  21. Re:The year of Linux on the desktop by WallyL · · Score: 1

    with only the token windows server in the mix here and there.

    That sounds difficult! Did you ever try TCP/IP?

  22. This is great, but maybe too late? by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

    I work for a company that is in the heavily-regulated medical industry. 3 years ago we would have jumped on the idea of "local cloud" but now it might be too late.

    3 years ago Microsoft offered to replace many of our servers (physical and VMWare) with Azure and the company basically said "No way, we can't have FDA regulated PHI and corporate secrets in the cloud." Fast forward to today, where the company is moving to all Azure. Our corporate Outlook servers are now Outlook 365, our local "FTP" site has been replaced with OneDrive. Yearly upgrades of Office are now replaced with Office 365.

    Corporate America is slashing IT departments because they overcharged and underdelivered. They charged a fortune for basic email servers and could barely get Microsoft Office installed and working. Azure just made more corporate sense - gut the IT staff and move to the cloud. The theoretical security concerns melted away in the face of saving money and getting better service.

    Where it might still make sense is for companies selling informatics software to other companies in regulated fields. You could offer your software in the cloud, or tell the company they can install their own local Azure and run the software on that. We wanted that 3 years ago and instead basically made our own.

  23. Re: Drip computing. by Brockmire · · Score: 1

    Youzure