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Russia Is Investigating Fidget Spinners After Reports Claim They 'Zombify' Youth (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: In a recent report, Russia-24, a state-owned news channel, suggests that fidget spinners are being used by Russian opposition parties in order to recruit young people. As reported by The New York Times, the reporters in Russia-24's initial story say, "It is a mystery why it has become so popular in Russia right now. Who is promoting this to the masses so actively?" The video segment says the toys were being distributed at a rally for opposition leader Alexei Navalny and in online ads that direct viewers to YouTube channels that promote opposition politicians. The reporters said that while the toy's popularity was declining in the West, fidget spinners are more popular than ever in Russia. "As you can see here there is only writing in English, on the other side there is not a word in Russian," says one of the show's anchors during the report, presenting a new spinner in its packaging to the camera. According to Newsweek, a second report on Russia-24 also aired on July 12th, directly saying fidget spinners were an "object for zombifying" and a form of "hypnosis." The program featured a report from psychologist Svetlana Filatova, claiming that the spinners could help dexterity in children but otherwise "dulls" people's minds. The reports spurred Russia's consumer protection agency, Rospotrebnadzor, into action, saying on Tuesday they would launch an investigation into the toy.

202 comments

  1. Please do share your report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I'm worried too!

    Donnie T.

    1. Re:Please do share your report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Watching America's youth brainwashed and zombiefied by these evil liberal spinners is just sad. Lets ban toys. #MAGA.

  2. Imagine by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Imagine a country where all the media is basically Breitbart

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    1. Re: Imagine by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or far worse, one where the supposed leader tried desperately to convince the masses Brietbart is the one honest media source and the rest are "fake news", and has a scary amount of success with the approach.

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    2. Re:Imagine by GLMDesigns · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Where's that?

      And is Breitbart worse than CNN?

      Wouldn't a rational person read / watch CNN, NYT, Breitbart, HuffPost, Reason, Zero Hedge, Mother Jones, Infowars, Final Call, etc...

      Scary when Alex Jones says there were mass rapes and gropes on New Years in Germany and the NYTs (which you read daily) doesn't mention anything. You dismiss it as Alex Jones hysteria - and then months later it comes out that Alex Jones was right and the NYTs hid something horrible.

      The moral of the story is read a little bit of everything and not get locked into a self-referencing echo chamber.

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    3. Re:Imagine by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Where's that?

      And is Breitbart worse than CNN?

      Wouldn't a rational person read / watch CNN, NYT, Breitbart, HuffPost, Reason, Zero Hedge, Mother Jones, Infowars, Final Call, etc...

      Scary when Alex Jones says there were mass rapes and gropes on New Years in Germany and the NYTs (which you read daily) doesn't mention anything. You dismiss it as Alex Jones hysteria - and then months later it comes out that Alex Jones was right and the NYTs hid something horrible.

      The moral of the story is read a little bit of everything and not get locked into a self-referencing echo chamber.

      Translation: "We must strike a balance between truth and lies."

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    4. Re:Imagine by SmaryJerry · · Score: 0

      Honestly this sounds more like something CNN would run. "Republican party hands out toy with Russian writing on it! Our anonymous source says Trump himself ordered the spinners in order to distract youth from the Russian story! He is either incompetent or colluding and this is a potentially impeachable offense, if found true. We'll be sure to keep you up to date with 16 hours of coverage analyzing this scandal today but first our completely un-bias reporter will update you on how these silly toys may actually be death traps. We will answer the question, is Trump trying to kill your children?"

    5. Re: Imagine by Verdatum · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sorry, no, not far worse; not until the criticized reporters start turning up dead.

    6. Re:Imagine by spun · · Score: 2

      For that to be a good analogy, you would have to have included something left wing as well as the centrist, libertarian, and right wing sources you mentioned. No, Huffpost and Mother Jones are not leftist, they are both pro-corporate centrist organizations.

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    7. Re:Imagine by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, he is right, and it's what I do as well. It's nice if you could find a news source that is the truth, the whole truth and no lies, but let's be honest: even the news outlets that aspire to this (and many of them don't) fail to achieve it. So it's not about a compromise between truth and lies; it's about getting viewpoints from different perspectives. Shake up your faith in those unshakable truths a little, and read opposing opinions and sources that will cast doubt on those so called truths. You need to be able to filter crap from credible sources, though.

      Once I started reading publications from all parts of the political spectrum instead of just my favorite newspaper and a blog or 2, I realised what a myopic view on the world such a limited set of sources resulted in.

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    8. Re:Imagine by grasshoppa · · Score: 2

      >Translation: "We must strike a balance between truth and lies."

      Is that what you got from his post? It was actually pretty insightful ( no mod points, sorry ), and it's precisely what I do. It helps counter the bias inherent in each source where you result in actual information.

      Do it long enough the weasel words media outlets like to use really start jumping out at you.

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    9. Re:Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where's that?

      Imagination-land. It's halfway between Rand McNally and GoBlowme.

      And is Breitbart worse than CNN?

      Yes. Quite so.

      Wouldn't a rational person read / watch CNN, NYT, Breitbart, HuffPost, Reason, Zero Hedge, Mother Jones, Infowars, Final Call, etc...

      A rational person would recognize the peril of wading in raw sewage.

      Scary when Alex Jones says there were mass rapes and gropes on New Years in Germany and the NYTs (which you read daily) doesn't mention anything. You dismiss it as Alex Jones hysteria - and then months later it comes out that Alex Jones was right and the NYTs hid something horrible.

      What is scary is that you believe that load of tripe. If it had been in New Orleans or Rio, it'd be holiday related shenanigans. If it was college boys in Cancun or Panama City, it'd be a bit of ribald fun. If it had been after a sports game, it'd be relieving stressful tension.

      Maybe some people at the New York Times even remember the Central Park Jogger case. But at Info Wars? They're still peddling the Sandy Hook conspiracy story and chasing around for more birther nonsense.

      The moral of the story is read a little bit of everything and not get locked into a self-referencing echo chamber.

      Another moral of the story is if you spread enough sewage, you are going to raise a stink.

      You should realize, there's more than one lesson to learn from every story. Isaac Asimov's father taught him that.

    10. Re:Imagine by rogoshen1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      i'd wager that a fair number of people do not read the news to stay informed, but to reinforce the views they already hold.

    11. Re:Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Where "truth" is what you want to believe, and "lies" are everything else.

    12. Re:Imagine by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't a rational person read / watch CNN, NYT, Breitbart, HuffPost, Reason, Zero Hedge, Mother Jones, Infowars, Final Call, etc...

      A person who did that would have their brain turned to marshmallow. Most of those aren't worth reading the vast majority of days. They are entertainment that emphasizes the adversarial nature of politics. Like watching a sports team, their goal isn't to be accurate and watching the other side doesn't help.

      It's better to find some sources that are a step above CNN or InfoWars in terms of trying to convey accurate information. Remember the media can't change your opinion easily, but they can get you to talk about whatever they want, and they know it. So they manipulate you by choosing the story.

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    13. Re:Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      "And is Breitbart worse than CNN?" By definition, by any metric, by popular account, by ratings, by fact-check.org, by ALL possible means, YES.

      Is CNN perfect, oh hell no. But it's not the directly sponsored propaganda wing without varnish that Brietfart is.

    14. Re:Imagine by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      And is Breitbart worse than CNN?

      Yes.

      Next question?

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    15. Re:Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Perhaps a more apt adage would be "Even a stopped clock is still right twice a day". Now as for the people trying to sell me that clock on the grounds that I should check a variety of time sources to get all the different perspectives...

    16. Re:Imagine by grasshoppa · · Score: 2, Interesting

      CNN has already retracted..what? One story about Trump and Russia? Yes, you can argue that by retracting it they are maintaining their integrity, but that they published it in the first place kind of gives lie to it.

      Huffpo is no better than Breitbart in my book, it's laughable you'd include it even the same sentence as CNN.

      Point being, no news source is balanced. Accepting a 'balanced viewpoint' is effectively surrendering your own critical thinking skills in favor of theirs. That's why you read all of them. You learn to see their bias, and you learn how to correct for it.

      As far as my "political compass"; I've been horrified by politics ever since I started voted ( before really ). That's really the only rational response to the insanity that plays out every couple years across the country.

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    17. Re:Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      CNN and HuffPost are left leaning and probably worse than Foxnews or MSNBC because they don't actively admit it.

    18. Re:Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well I read and I now understand what got into creamer!
      https://finance.yahoo.com/vide...

    19. Re:Imagine by Trogre · · Score: 1

      I don't know what the hell I just watched, but have learned today that Yahoo has their own video player.

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    20. Re:Imagine by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      Russia and the US really are sister countries. Their populations are prone to believing the exact same texture and smell of bullshit. The only difference is some of the lettering is Roman and some is Cyrillic.

    21. Re: Imagine by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      It would be better if the reporters started "winding up dead" (not for the reporters of course) because this would shatter the illusion of the narrative.

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    22. Re: Imagine by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Yes. Brietbart is far worse than CNN. Only a moron would not realize that at this point. Possible lack of reporting on events in Germany has nothing to do with what is going on in this country.

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    23. Re:Imagine by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Alex Jones reports news? That's funny. Why do mass rapes, and gropes; interest you?

    24. Re: Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with your point on Breitbart but those you call mainstream and balanced have been for the last 10 years been becoming more and more left leaning.

      E.g. Not everybody agrees with the LTGB agenda or any other so called controversial issues and movements. But Journalists tend to favour liberal side more.

      For the record I'm more on the liberal side myself, but I'm not blind to the fact that the news is not balanced. Not because they try to push the agenda, but people naturally and by extension Journalists tend to think of themself as more "center" than they actually are because really being left or right is all relative. So as long as people report on news it will never be entirely fair of prejudices... its just an impossible task of human nature.

    25. Re: Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Agree. My mantra is take everything you read with a huge pinch of salt no matter how mainstream.

      And don't read shit like Breitbart unless you just wanna have a good laugh.

    26. Re:Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see you've been drinking the Kool Aid. The MSM ran plenty of articles about the Cologne mass rapes. What about the New York Times? Try this one.

      Scary when you think you can get better news from Alex Jones than from real reporters.

    27. Re: Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is wrong news and there is fake news....

      Mainstream media tend is very often and I do mean really often.... WRONG. As in Journalists look at the issue on the surface and report it without looking deep enough.

      But Breitbart is pretty much the real FAKE news. Some times 2 wrongs do make one right, but most of the time it's just flat out lies.

    28. Re:Imagine by skam240 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So CNN has had to retract a single story about Russia? What's your point? News agencies make mistakes.

      Now if they made a habbit of doing that then the case could be made that they're biasly running fake news as far fewer people generally see a retraction then who saw the offending article. Making a single retraction means something though? Gimme a break

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    29. Re: Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Left-leaning would be "communism is pretty ok." This is "facts exist" and "lies are bad". Those may not be Republican ideals, but that doesn't make them "left-leaning."

    30. Re:Imagine by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No. A rational person would cut out the Breitbart and Infowars for sure. They're known to be full of fake news, sensationalism, and an overt bias that is flaunted. A rational person would seek out news sources that attempt to play fair, be honest, be accurate, and make a good faith attempt to reduce bias.

      Yes, a reporter who parrots whatever random gossip that is overheard will sometimes be right. That does not mean the reporter has special insights and should be followed. Did Alex Jones actualy investigate this story, or just repeat it? When 99% is provably crap then you'd better be sure that 1% is a diamond before you go fishing it out with your fingers.

    31. Re:Imagine by fnj · · Score: 0

      Imagine a world where there is no Breitbart. Nothing but an echo chamber of lying cucks.

    32. Re:Imagine by fnj · · Score: 0

      Wrong. A sheep whose brain is nothing but a marshmallow to begin with cannot deal with evaluating a variety of sources and viewpoints.

    33. Re:Imagine by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Be careful that when you try to read opposing viewpoints that you're not reading crazy conspiracy theories. Fox is so overtly biased and with editorials masquerading as news stories, that you can't take all of it seriously and you have to sift through it very carefully. You don't balance a slight liberal bent with an overt conservative approach that is constantly on the attack. You cannot put Fox as an equal balance to the BBC for example. But Fox is sane here compared to the wackos like Breitbart or Infowars or World Net Daily.

      Sure, listen to different views, but do not give them all equal weight! It is very useful to know what some of the extremist views are, and useful to know if those views are gaining popularity, but you should not treat those views as part of the balance with the truth residing at the average of it all.

      A good viewpoint to get is from foreign or international sources. BBC, AFP, Al Jazeera, The Economist, etc.

    34. Re:Imagine by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      CNN is going downhill. However it's not going downhill because it's turning radically liberal. It's going downhill because it's focusing on the sensational stories, sticking with the pointless stories for months in order to keep the eyeballs.

    35. Re:Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think his point was, he'd rather trust a news agency that never admits its wrong than one that tries to act responsible and report the truth, even when it's having to retract a story. It's the same reason that people seemed to love GWB. Until finally some people didn't as much because they finally realized the whole Iraq thing wasn't going so well. Not that it was a mistake to go in the first place--that's just the bullshit area where they say "but we trust our leaders and you let us down in the execution". If Iraq had turned out to be a success, no matter how obvious from the beginning that the supposed threat from Iraq or the supposed need for action wasn't there, those same people would still champion GWB and say what a great President he was.

      A lot of people want to confirm their own biases and care more about the supposed ends--even if they're not real--than a careful analysis of the facts even when they might go against your biases and a focus on a consistent moral/ethical basis for action or belief.

    36. Re:Imagine by ShakaUVM · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >CNN, NYT, HuffPost, (notice how there were only three of these) are long established news sources presenting a balanced viewpoint.

      Hah. No. I don't even think that any of these three would even pretend they're presenting a balanced viewpoint these days. CNN has been caught running the Russia story just for ratings, despite thinking there's nothing actually there, NYT had a complete meltdown on election night (want to see a screenshot? I took a screenshot), and the HuffPo is described as a "politically liberal American news and opinion website."

      If you don't believe me, here's Harvard on the matter -

      https://shorensteincenter.org/...

    37. Re: Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This inability to differentiate your goals and current events isn't so good if you need to do it out loud, bud.

    38. Re:Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Wouldn't a rational person..."

      A rational person would observe what was happening around them instead of assuming that one of the various 3rd party commentators vying for their attention must have the true answer to everything and that this answer would be obtainable by sifting through layers of noise, and might be aware that these commentators were all selling a media product.

      A rational person wouldn't be repeating someone else's talking points rhetorically as if they were true and then claiming that it was just a hypothesis or that they were personally being oppressed when they got a negative reaction from it.

    39. Re: Imagine by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Russia is worse, though - they are also marching towards absolutist monarchy and while USA certainly has its fair share of vocal conspiracy, right wing and religious nutters, in Russia they sit in the government and make one crazy law after another.

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    40. Re:Imagine by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Russia as a society is very conservative and any new idea is always treated with suspicion. Why is any fad so popular amongst children, because they are children and peer pressure, 'I have one, you don't or I have a better one', drives a lot of childish decision making vis a vie every single collectable bit of trash targeted at minors. So pretty much typical conservative news reporting, from a less intellectual news channel, that obviously seeks market space by being conservative. Now which is the crazier crap reporting, the delusion stuff coming from the station or the delusional stuff coming from New York Times to attack Russia, any excuse, any exaggeration, any lie to attack Russia, lame as fuck.

      Spinners a bit late to the party chaps, a fad that is already dying. The only psychological ramification is, the need for stress reduction and pattern repetition and it's mind altering affect. Problem ain't the spinners, the problem is stress in minors and insufficient accessible outlets to release that stress. Don't want them using that idiot device, start making real efforts in school to promote crafting hobbies. Fucking pick some https://au.pinterest.com/explo... and promote them in schools at all levels. Active fucking hands tend to promote inactive minds, well, negatively inactive and the craft produces real rewards and that would work across the globe not just in Russia.

      PS promote crafts over inactive spectator sports, it is far more socially sensible as it is far more interactive across the board.

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    41. Re:Imagine by schleimkeim · · Score: 1

      And is Breitbart worse than CNN?

      Yes.

    42. Re: Imagine by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's so amazing that after everything that's happened, CNN is still trusted by some people. That's just astounding. They've been caught broadcasting fake news so many times it's not funny. They outright became part of the Clinton campaign. This is verifiable fact. The truth came out and Wikileaks confirms it.

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    43. Re:Imagine by fazig · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you hear this logic a lot: "The biggest lie of all is the things they don't tell you."
      It's unsound logic, if you consider that you can't possibly cover everything all the time. First and foremost, not mentioning something is not the same as deliberately withholding or hiding information. That is an allegation that requires some proof in itself. Even withholding information only really becomes a lie when the deliberate lack of specifics is meant to deceive by altering the 'big picture' of the topic at hand.

    44. Re: Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really.
      Neither FOX nor Breitbart would report on it so their narrative would be intact.
      People who only get their news from those sources will think of everyone else as conspiracy nuts.

    45. Re:Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's even more a general phenomenon where media outlets try to dig up some dirt on the things that are new and popular. It certainly panders to the point of view of those who are suspicious about any new thing or fad but also speaks to those who already joined into the craze, probably promoting outrage in both groups. Anyway this kind of reporting appears to be a good method to make money. Before the internet outrageous headlines and stories drove up the sales of your newspaper and now it generates a lot of clicks, which makes your ad space valuable.

    46. Re:Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that what you got from his post? It was actually pretty insightful ( no mod points, sorry ), and it's precisely what I do. It helps counter the bias inherent in each source where you result in actual information.

      The insightful part is where you need multiple sources of information to get a balanced view.
      This makes a lot of sense in the same way as you need a diverse diet to to be healthy.

      The problem is that Inforwars and Breitbart are created with the purpose of poisoning your mind, adding them to the mix is like adding arsenic to your diet.

      When you get information from multiple sources it is still important to make sure that all of those sources are reasonable healthy.
      If you want to get a view of the world from an outside perspective you look at what Al Jazeera is writing about it, not what agenda Russia Today is pushing.

      And yes, Breitbart is worse than CNN.
      By bringing in Bannon into the White House all pretense at objectivity is dropped and Breitbart should be considered to be state media like Russia Today and The Pyongyang Times.
      At best you can look at Breitbart to get a different take on subjects that doesn't involve politics.
      For everything about US politics there is really no reason to read Breitbart, they are so predictable that you can write your own "news" without looking at them.

    47. Re:Imagine by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Informative

      Where's that?

      Russia for example, China for another.

      And is Breitbart worse than CNN?

      Yes

      Wouldn't a rational person read / watch CNN, NYT, Breitbart, HuffPost, Reason, Zero Hedge, Mother Jones, Infowars, Final Call, etc...

      No

      Scary when Alex Jones says there were mass rapes and gropes on New Years in Germany and the NYTs (which you read daily) doesn't mention anything. You dismiss it as Alex Jones hysteria - and then months later it comes out that Alex Jones was right and the NYTs hid something horrible.

      Here's one link to just one of NYT's stories covering the gropings: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/0...

      The moral of the story is read a little bit of everything and not get locked into a self-referencing echo chamber.

      Not everything is worth reading nor does it need to be read to get completely unbiased views. Hateful lies, shock stories, and conspiracy theories do not make news "balanced".

      Are there any other questions I can help you with?

    48. Re:Imagine by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Point being, no news source is balanced.

      True. But there are some that are so unbalanced that even the drunks who can't stand without support from a wall are laughing at them.

    49. Re:Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > The moral of the story is read a little bit of everything and not get locked into a self-referencing echo chamber.

      Translation: "We must strike a balance between truth and lies."

      It's more like "You don't know which side is telling lies, so don't get stuck with the lies of only one side."

    50. Re:Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Also be careful that what you think you're reading is truth, isn't actually heavily spun bullshit. Your precious media outlets aren't as good as you want them to be. Don't turn a blind eye and just take anything they say for fact.

    51. Re:Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Huffpost balanced??? HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA oh wow that's a good one, holy hell where do you get that delusion?

      This say a lot, a LOT about some people and the current situation.

    52. Re:Imagine by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      What would be several good left wing sources?

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    53. Re:Imagine by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Ahem. Breitbart and Infowars are set up on the business model of selling advertising space on shocking lies. I don't know about those other ones.

      That is also the business model of most Murdoch news establishments, The Australian, Fox News, The Daily Mail. All of them are click-bait turned to 11 and employ the kind of tactics that Buzzfeed can only dream of.

      Their business models depend on people not thinking rationally because irrational people are more susceptible to advertising (by associating it with a strong emotion).

      CNN, NYT, et al. are following an advertising business model, but not the same one. They're relying on numbers. When you start running click-bait scare stories, you marginalise your audience to a small number of people who want to be made angry (this is why Murdoch is losing money hand over fist). As such, they cant get away with publishing such obvious falsehoods. Sure they exaggerate, but outright, bold faced lying is something they try to avoid because they'll lose reputation, readers and advertising revenue.

      I dont explicitly trust any news source, verify everything. However there are sources I implicitly distrust like Fox News or the Daily Mail. In the off chance they've published something factual, it'll be reported somewhere less biased and prone to lying. Sources like Fox are so unashamed of their bias that most of their stories cant even be believed by a 5 yr old.

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    54. Re: Imagine by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      Mass rapes and sexual assaults by muslim immigrants means nothing to you?

      OK.

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    55. Re:Imagine by GLMDesigns · · Score: 2

      Because this sort of behavior ought not be covered up by the mainstream media. Does it make sense to you to NOT report news because it may cast a negative light on a group of people?

      If the KKK was throwing acid on black women's faces wouldn't you find it outrageous if it was not reported by the NYTs?

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    56. Re: Imagine by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      You should start a fake news outlet. You are AWESOME at making shit up! (I never said anything that any even moderately intelligent person could construe that way)

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    57. Re:Imagine by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      "First and foremost, not mentioning something is not the same as deliberately withholding or hiding information."

      Correct but in this case, in my judgement, it most certainly is a deliberate call. Add to that more than one article and interview in which organizations say that they don't want to release information for just such a reason.

      One of the latest (not CNN but an example of deliberate information withholding)

      BART Withholding Surveillance Videos Of Crime To Avoid ...
      sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/.../bart-withholding-surveillance-videos-of-crime-to-avoid-...
      Jul 9, 2017 - ALSO READ: BART Completes Installation Of Security Cameras On ... at least one of the people arrested for the April 22 attack is 19 years old.

      If the KKK was doing this - you know it would be on 24/7

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    58. Re: Imagine by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      Yeah. No mass sexual assault in Germany

      Leaked document says 2,000 men allegedly assaulted 1,200 German ...
      https://www.washingtonpost.com......
      Jul 11, 2016 - Germany approves new sexual assault law after mass New Year's Eve ... outcry over mass attacks on women in Cologne on New Year's Eve.

      No acid attacks in London.
      Acid attacks in the UK - how many have there been in London and ...
      https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/...
      2 days ago - IN LONDON alone the number of acid attacks shot up by 65 per cent last year to 431 – or one every 20 hours – as a growing number of victims ...
      Why are you so certain that these things are not happening?

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    59. Re:Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Scary when Alex Jones says there were mass rapes and gropes on New Years in Germany and the NYTs (which you read daily) doesn't mention anything. You dismiss it as Alex Jones hysteria - and then months later it comes out that Alex Jones was right and the NYTs hid something horrible.

      It's really easy to find the NYT reporting sexual assaults in Germany - no later than the 5th they had a long article. It's not "scary" by any stretch. And I find it more credible when the NYT reports that the police say 90 assaults and one rape reported, rather than "mass rapes".

      My dad was a conspiracy theorist, and he had your credulity when it came to sources - he was happy to ignore a mountain of counter facts if he could find one reference in a book, with no evidence whatsoever, if it supported his notions. It has made me very alert to this type of behavior, and it's a little sad that it seems to be so prevalent here these days.

    60. Re: Imagine by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      I never said there were no such events. I said I didn't say what you claim I said in my post. Now you come back, and once again, make shit up again by claiming I said yet another thing I never said. You are the poster boy for how Trump got elected. Sad. Terrible.

      For the record, some Muslims ARE dangerous to this country, as are many Christians, and really anyone who has an imaginary friend that they think will give them a pass on abhorrent behavior or worse yet, condones it. However people like you are FAR MORE dangerous to this country. Please help to #MAGA by killing yourself. Thanks!

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    61. Re: Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be better if the reporters started "winding up dead" (not for the reporters of course) because this would shatter the illusion of the narrative.

      I feel dumber having read this.

    62. Re: Imagine by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      What did I make up?

      Wow. Nice guy.

      By the way I did not vote Trump and I'm card-carrying Pastafarian.

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    63. Re:Imagine by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      Anytime I read an article and there isn't a quote or explanation of the feelings one specific person has expressed or an interviewed group has expressed, and it has words like disgusting, apprehensive, hopeful, amazing, or something like that I know it probably is more opinion than fact, or a review of a product.

    64. Re: Imagine by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      I'm glad I could help you get in touch with your true feelings.

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    65. Re:Imagine by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

      That it was even published should be a huge indication that they're biased, just like the rest.

      It's a requirement to be suspicious of any news source as a rational human being. What's most amusing about that to me is that it's so far outside people's "normal experience" that they simply can't fathom what that means. Take the most biased news source you can imagine. Now read an article that wildly disagrees with something you believe to be true. Feel that skepticism? That disbelief? That's how I read all news articles.

      Mind you, that's only half the equation, but I hope you are starting to comprehend just how naive you might be.

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    66. Re:Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And is Breitbart worse than CNN?

      Yes

      No

      Wouldn't a rational person read / watch CNN, NYT, Breitbart, HuffPost, Reason, Zero Hedge, Mother Jones, Infowars, Final Call, etc...

      No

      No

      Are there any other questions I can help you with?

      No

    67. Re:Imagine by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      So it's not about a compromise between truth and lies; it's about getting viewpoints from different perspectives

      Well, it is a compromise between truth and lies if you choose to include news outlets that clearly and obviously have no regard for the truth and that's one of the problems here. (It's not as if the right doesn't have honest media either, why is it everyone says "Well, I read Brietbart and watch CNN to get a rounded picture"? Brietbart are liars. What about NewsMax? They're not perfect but I've yet to come across them actually lie about anything. I can understand not entirely trusting the Washington Times because of the Moonie connection but they're not Brietbart either.)

      The other problem is the "both sides" narrative doesn't work with the current media. Right wingers keep claiming NBC, CNN, The Washington Post, et al, are "left wing". Those of us on the left just don't see it. When did any of those outlets support and campaign for, say, Single Payer healthcare? Weren't they all cheering for war after 9/11 or was that my imagination? Haven't all three spent most of the last few months doing thinkpieces on "What Trump supporters think about Trump", rather than trying to gauge the viewpoints of those most directly affected by his policies or rhetoric? For eight years, Meet the Press always made a point to include a major Republican on every show, and relatively rarely included a Democratic (let alone Liberal!) voice.

      Sure, Trump is pissed at them, and they report a lot of news that's bad for Trump, but is that because they're "left wing", or is it because there's a lot of negative things about Trump right now?

      I know, I know, people on the right think that the media is left wing, therefore ergo it must be and it must be that to get both sides you need to watch both. But, honestly, I don't recognize the morality and social awareness of the mainstream media. When the Washington Post starts arguing against wars, when it comes out as supporting single payer or government health care instead of half-witted hacks designed to not upset free market ideologues, when it comes out in favor of drugs legalization, when it admits that the forced suburbanization program of the 1950s onwards has been a financial and economic, moral, and ecological disaster and campaigns for urban renewal and improved transit, when it supports an expansion of welfare, when it supports the right to unionize across all industries, when it doesn't treat racial and sexual disparities as "He said, she said", THEN I and others on the left-of-center might reasonably think of it as a paper that's in touch with my views and my agenda.

      Simply thinking the current President is terrible does not make you the counter to the right wing media. Hell, the intelligent side of the right thinks he's a moron too, they just don't say it in public.

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    68. Re:Imagine by s.petry · · Score: 1

      The other problem is the "both sides" narrative doesn't work with the current media. Right wingers keep claiming NBC, CNN, The Washington Post, et al, are "left wing". Those of us on the left just don't see it.

      No kidding? Does anyone really need to explain that to you? see "Confirmation Bias" and "Cognitive Dissonance".

      A big problem today is that Fox does not usually present a "right" opinion either. They claim the left is wrong on some stuff, but the left wing opinion is the only one in play. This is called "Hegelian Dialectic" and Hegelism, which was employed by Germany, USSR, China, etc...

      Simply thinking the current President is terrible does not make you the counter to the right wing media. Hell, the intelligent side of the right thinks he's a moron too, they just don't say it in public.

      The intelligent people on the right don't call him a moron because that is not true. Just like the far left's claim of every "ist" and "phobe" you can find isn't true. The intelligent people on the right are concerned with his policies and the philosophies which form those policies.

      It is impossible to discuss policies when trying to argue with people who's main argument is "he's a moron".

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    69. Re:Imagine by spun · · Score: 1

      The Young Turks and The Intercept are my go to sources for lefty news. The UK Guardian is also decent.

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    70. Re: Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      USA certainly has its fair share of vocal conspiracy, right wing and religious nutters, in Russia they sit in the government and make one crazy law after another.

      The US is just 10 senate votes away from that too. We're there if they decide to take the "nuclear option' and end debate without 60 votes as Trump keeps saying they should do.

    71. Re:Imagine by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      Ya. watch the young turks and go to the intercept once in a while. Don't really listen to their podcasts.

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    72. Re: Imagine by MercTech · · Score: 1

      Well, they are either fake news or yellow press the lot of them.
      The ethics of journalism is "don't get caught when you make shit up".
      And I'm convinced that passing middle school science class disqualifies a person from majoring in journalism. I've seen way too many dumbed down to the point of falsehood scientific reports over the years.

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    73. Re:Imagine by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 1

      No he is not. It's true that some outlets are more left wing and others are more right wing. But it's also true that some outlets are more reputable and some are not. Breitbart's website is not a "balance" to CNN.

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    74. Re: Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your posts often have that effect. I have to get in touch with my inner idiot just to figure out WTF you're getting on about.

      Improve the country by encouraging the government to murder journalists. Brilliant.

    75. Re: Imagine by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 0

      You have always been in touch with your inner idiot. In fact anyone who would try to claim I said anything remotely like that is pure idiot with no remainder.

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    76. Re:Imagine by MightyMartian · · Score: 0

      A rational person would read a lot of different sources, but wouldn't pretend the Weekly World News was a legitimate source. As it is, Breitbart is mainly an aggregator with editorial content.

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    77. Re:Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i'd wager that a fair number of people do not read the news to stay informed, but to reinforce the views they already SOLD.

      FTFY

    78. Re: Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...anyone who would try to claim I said anything remotely like that is pure idiot...

      Short memory?

      It would be better if the reporters started "winding up dead"...

    79. Re: Imagine by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 0

      Inability to properly quote what I actually wrote?

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    80. Re:Imagine by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Could you rephrase that argument to make sense? You claimed that Trump is not a moron, which I do understand. You also claimed he has philosophies, which I've been unable to perceive. As far as the rest....

      The US media is, for the most part, considerably to the right of my political positions. They may, in general, be left of yours. This is stuff we can see without any sort of bias or cognitive dissonance. However, you don't get to define the left to the exclusion of those of us who are leftists, and you don't get to claim that everything to the left of your opinions is left-wing.

      By observation, I see a number of right-wing opinions all over. Left-wing opinions (and there's a lot of varied opinions over here) certainly aren't the only ones in play. Having some knowledge of the Hegelian Dialectic, I see nothing applicable, and the list of countries that have been influenced by Hegelian thinking is both considerably longer than yours, and irrelevant to the point.

      For most of us on the Left, that Trump is deficient in some areas (not necessarily a moron) is not an argument but a conclusion. We generally have reasons for our positions, but it's impossible to discuss policies with people who dismiss our arguments out of hand.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    81. Re: Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was a direct copy/paste. Your moronic words. What exactly was misquoted?

    82. Re: Imagine by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 0

      Why would you make a statement any person can easily refute by scrolling up? Oh, that's right ... you are an idiot. Never mind.

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    83. Re: Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you make a statement any person can easily refute by scrolling up?

      That's what I'm wondering. Scroll up if you can't remember what you said. Would you like a link to the statement I quoted from?

      Direct quote. Your moronic words.

    84. Re:Imagine by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Could you rephrase that argument to make sense? You claimed that Trump is not a moron, which I do understand. You also claimed he has philosophies, which I've been unable to perceive. As far as the rest....

      Simplest way is by example: Trump "We need to protect our borders!" Opposition "He's a racist!"

      There is no argument, just an ad hominem attack. Instead of discussing the actual issues that have been around since the 1960s and coming to a solution, the Left continues to proclaim "Racist" and cherry picks anything they can to support their claim of racism, and the Right spends all it's time saying "no, it's not racist" and trying to demonstrate how the cherry picking is not correct.

      I don't know where your philosophies are, but the US has a Constitution who's founders who believed very strongly in individual liberty and saw how power in a Governments hands destroys that individual liberty. The Federal Government is limited in power and supposed to be by design. That power has grown enormously over the last 40 years. The "Right" (read not Fox, but people who believe in individual liberty) have been, and are, pushing back against those encroachments of power. We now have an administrative State and Judicial branch which have more power than any of the 3 Constitutional branches of Government and zero accountability to the people. We can't vote them out because they are appointees, we can't vote on their laws because they don't ask and don't have to.

      There are actually very few "Right" wing opinions. I can give you a few radio stations and authors (like Dennis Prager, Mark Levin), but those people don't have a National Media platform. A couple of those "Right" wingers may make brief and rare appearances on Fox, but you won't hear them quoted in NYT, WAPO, Huffpo, CNN, *NBC, or any other media outlet. People don't quote Friedman, they quote leftist economics and ignore Friedman. People don't quote the founders, they promote the politicians and elites that own them. In fact they denounce the founders.

      Trump is not a moron. None of those in politics are morons. We may not be able to understand what they do or why, but they do things very intentionally.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    85. Re: Imagine by Verdatum · · Score: 1

      Sorry dude, can confirm, AC quoted you correctly.

    86. Re: Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course I did. If you can't trust AC, who can you trust?

    87. Re: Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simplest way is by example: Trump "We need to protect our borders!" Opposition "He's a racist!"

      Simplified to the point of misrepresenting both positions? Well, that might work if folks were ignorant.

      But then you review Trump's claims of building a wall and making Mexico pay for it, now revealed to be transparent because we'll, people toss backpack full of drugs over it. You can also examine his express claims of a deliberate Muslim ban, and his haphazardly implemented executive order.

      But wait, no, you just want to play the "race card" card and claim that Trump really didn't do or say anything of the sort, but just have a tantrum.

      I don't know, s.petry, do you just think the rest of us are that dumb, that we can't even remember Trump's own words?

      Face the reality of Trump, the best you can say is that he's a foolish ass who runs his mouth without thinking. It gets worse from there.

    88. Re: Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What did I make up?

      Your initial rely to Zero Kelvin contains a rather obvious misconstrued bit of rhetoric.

      Wow. Nice guy.

      No, you are an ass. No surprise you have a high opinion of yourself.

      By the way I did not vote Trump and I'm card-carrying Pastafarian.

      A fraud such as yourself would easily pretend that your technical vote for the electors means that that is not a lie.

    89. Re: Imagine by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Yes, because when you just say the first few words someone says, and leave out the rest of the sentence that changes the meaning completely, that is quoting correctly. Like the time you said "I like little girls ..."

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    90. Re: Imagine by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Not a single "..." in my entire post loser. Get a fucking life. Any idiot can misquote, post a link that proves they misquoted, and claim it is proof they quoted correctly. You even suck at trolling.

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    91. Re: Imagine by Verdatum · · Score: 1

      Get over yourself, fellow slashdotter. Ellipsis is a long standing quoting technique. It's well known that when present, it can mean someone is being taken out of context, so it should be critically considered. However, since your original quote is right there, it's pretty clear that's not his intent. He was quoting the portions he wanted to talk about. And I won't have you trashing 'I Like Little Girls'. It's a classic Oingo Boingo lyric. Danny Elfman is a national TREASURE.

    92. Re: Imagine by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Go fuck yourself ...

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    93. Re:Imagine by skam240 · · Score: 1

      No, but i deffinitly see how we're talking about two completely different things.

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    94. Re: Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I say, "I think we should exterminate the Jews; there are simply too many of them," it would not be inaccurate to quote me as:

      I think we should exterminate the Jews...

      Same thing. Same exact fucking thing. Inciting murder with a meaningless rationalization that adds nothing.
      Your quote is not misrepresented by extracting the active clause. The first time I quoted you, I included the entire thing. When you forgot about what you said, I only included the important part to remind you. You condoned (encouraged!) the government's murdering of reporters. Including, "this would shatter the illusion of the narrative," doesn't change a damn thing.

    95. Re: Imagine by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      And if I say "I think we should kill all ACs accounts" then "I think we should kill all ACs ..." is totally inaccurate. As you well know, this is a case of the latter, not your example.

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    96. Re: Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF??? If you had said, "It would be better if the reporters' stories started "winding up dead"..." and I shorted it to "It would be better if the reporters started "winding up dead"...," that would fit your example. That's not what you said. In case you forgot your comment:

      It would be better if the reporters started "winding up dead"...

      That's in no way misrepresented. You clearly said that it would be better if the reporters were murdered. Your example of conflating "ACs accounts" and "ACs" is completely irrelevant because you clearly indicated the reporters, not their stories.

    97. Re:Imagine by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Can't help but notice how carefully you're avoiding mentioning MSNBC, CNN, and the rest of the high-profile partisan ax-grinders who are caught routinely lying. Not just editorializing, or slanting their coverage to their known demographic, but actually lying. I know, it's only fun when some crazy right wing blog does it. But lefty media outlets with VASTLY larger audiences have become completely unhinged, and you know it (or should).

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    98. Re: Imagine by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      You are an idiot. There is a context you are leaving out, either out of stupidity or because you are trolling. The discussion was what would be worse or better from the perspective of Trump fooling the people, and my comment clearly stated that it would be more obvious if he, Trump, started killing of reporters like Putin does. Now off you go little troll ....

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    99. Re:Imagine by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I see. You do believe the left is monolithic, that the right is synonymous with individual liberty, and cannot perceive right-wing ideas in current media. In other words, you can't be reasoned with.

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    100. Re: Imagine by gnick · · Score: 1

      Dude, AC clearly quoted you correctly. You can try to back up what you said:

      "Shattering the illusion of the narrative" justifies murdering reporters. This is more important than a few lives and freedom of the press.

      You can recant:

      I didn't mean to say that murdering reporters was a good thing. I was just trying to say that suppression of the press needs to be exposed.

      But you can't just deny saying it. It's right there.

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    101. Re:Imagine by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Huh? I can surely be reasoned with, but reason requires facts. Show me where any media talks about actual issues from a right wing position. I gave a couple examples where a person can find them. You can't find facts so claim I can't be reasoned with because I don't believe in fairy tales?

      It is a _FACT_ that none of those sources are related to or even mentioned by CNN, *NBC, ABC, CBS, PBS, or any other TV media company. None of those TV media channels express a right-wing position, they primarily express the left/anti-left dialogue if they even bother to present the anti-left.

      It is a _FACT_ that NYT, WAPO, HuffPO, etc.. etc... do not mention those sources or express a right wing position either. SJ Mercury News prints the same stories as NYT, WAPO, etc.., because the ownership is the same. I could say the same for most printed papers in the US today. I see a leftist dialogue and there isn't even an anti-left position portrayed normally.

      If you wish to change my opinion, start producing _facts_. I can't watch and read everything, so perhaps I'm missing material I shouldn't. I do watch Fox and CNN both regularly enough, read NYT and SJ Mercury News daily, but perhaps I am seeing all the wrong shows at the wrong time.

      Or you could simply be ignoring the bias I see for whatever reason. In that case, it's not me that can't be reasoned with but you.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    102. Re: Imagine by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      You are an idiot. I said that it would be better in the context of "what would make Trumps subversion more obvious". If you had basic reading comprehension skills we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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    103. Re: Imagine by gnick · · Score: 1

      The post you replied to said that the situation in the US wouldn't be worse than Russia until reporters started turning up dead. You said it would be better if reporters started turning up dead. There's not a lot of interpretation there. Nobody in the thread asked, "what would make Trumps subversion more obvious". You didn't say "It would make Trump's subversion more obvious if..." You said "murder would be better..." while countering "murder would be worse..."

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    104. Re: Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are an idiot. There is a context you are leaving out, either out of stupidity or because you are trolling. The discussion was what would be worse or better from the perspective of Trump fooling the people, and my comment clearly stated that it would be more obvious if he, Trump, started killing of reporters like Putin does. Now off you go little troll ....

      I feel dumber having read this.

    105. Re:Imagine by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      There is no 'lefty' media - Count de Monet

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    106. Re: Imagine by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Well, you certainly are one dumb motherfucker, so good job finally getting honest with yourself!

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    107. Re:Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are talking about the 2016 New Years attacks, there were stories in the NYT on Jan 5 and Jan 8, at least. Google it.

      The problem with Alex Jones is that he takes news of 3 sexual assaults at Volksfest, and turns it into a "rape fest" in his coverage. If he's covering something, you can't trust it to not be hyperbolic, and if he's the only one covering something, he probably made it up.

      Sure, read several different news sources to try and understand the most accurate picture, but if one of the sources is consistently untruthful, ditch it and find another.

    108. Re:Imagine by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      CNN I don't really see as strictly partisan, I see it as declining and failing and orienting towards what is going to bring in the views rather than focusing on news. I used to like it because you could flip on Headline News any hour of the day and get an up to date reasonable view of events in 5 to 10 minutes. Now when you turn it on no matter what hour it is you're going to see talking heads, entertainment news, adverts for drugs and steel sheds, etc. Even Obama made a joke when a press pool reporter was moving to CNN that he was leaving journalism altogether.

      All the cable news is going downhill though. MSNBC I don't know because I've never seen it, but I can only assume it's in the same situation. It's all about turning news into profit centers now and this drives the operations of Fox and CNN alike. We are no longer in the Walter Cronkite days when the news was there because it was important and a public service and not because it made money.

    109. Re: Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your posts often have that effect. I have to get in touch with my inner idiot just to figure out WTF you're getting on about.

    110. Re:Imagine by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      There is no 'lefty' media

      I'll count any media outlet that routinely uses phrases like "right wing" in reference to anyone of whom they disapprove (say, for insufficiently supporting Hillary Clinton in November) to be identifying themselves as left of those they hate. When you position the people you hate as being on the right, you are identifying yourself as left.

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    111. Re:Imagine by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Your idealism is wasted on me. Money doesn't know left from right.

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    112. Re: Imagine by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Holy fuck. You actually can't read two very short posts and understand what it says, even AFTER it was explained to you! Go away kid. The adults are trying to have a conversation.

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    113. Re: Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You actually can't read two very short posts and understand what it says, even AFTER it was explained to you!

      I'm only challenging you to read one. The one you wrote & then apparently forgot about. The one where you said that killing reporters was a better option than our current system. Remember that one?

    114. Re: Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut the fuck up you ignorant douche. We get that you are a moron. You don't have to keep trying to prove it.

    115. Re: Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem really hurt. You could have just admitted that it was stupid to say that the U.S. would be better if we started murdering journalists instead of pretending you never said it. Now here you are in tears... Like somebody else said:
      * One person said the situation in America would be worse if the government started killing journalists.
      * You argued, "No, it would be better because... reasons..."
      You're now arguing that it was taken out of context and pertained to a conversation that didn't exist except in your head. You're making yourself look stupider the longer you try to defend this.

      I firmly stand behind the idea that America would not be better if the government started murdering journalists. Feel free to counter that. (again...)

    116. Re: Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everybody gets that you are stupid. Why do you keep feeling the need to emphasize the fact?

    117. Re: Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then you reply as AC so that you can pretend somebody agrees with you. Good move. Not transparent at all.

    118. Re:Imagine by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Or you could simply be ignoring the bias I see for whatever reason. In that case, it's not me that can't be reasoned with but you.

      Or you could be seeing an imaginary bias. The mass media has a certain overall slant to it, and there's no other way it could be. You see this as a leftist bias. I see it as a bias towards the US mainstream, which I'm to the left of.

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    119. Re:Imagine by s.petry · · Score: 1

      There are far too many studies and reports of this bias to simply be "me." Search for the latest studies from Harvard, but also from MIT, Yale, and countless others who study facts on media. 97% of coverage on Trump has been negative. 75% of all coverage on Trump is "Russia Collusion" yet there is no evidence that Trump has done so. There has been more airtime since November on impeaching trump than on illegal immigration. Those are facts, and you are simply ignoring facts.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    120. Re: Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sure spend a lot of time pretending you didn't say exactly what we all saw you post. Are you sure you don't work for the Trump administration?

      Step 1: Say something stupid.
      Step 2: Double down.

    121. Re: Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We know it's you Donnie... you aren't fooling anyone! (So does he get the job then?)

    122. Re:Imagine by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Alex Jones is Fake News, pure and simple.

  3. You know what else is fidgity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MY BALLS!!! Suck 'em, nerds!

    1. Re:You know what else is fidgity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Leave me alone, I'm 'batin!

    2. Re: You know what else is fidgity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd like a "Hot Latte"

  4. Czar Putin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dear Mr. Putin.

    Are you proud your supporters are so stupid? I realize this helps you stay in power, but still . . . .

    1. Re:Czar Putin by war4peace · · Score: 2

      All dictators try keeping their people as stupid as possible.

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    2. Re:Czar Putin by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Not really. Marxist dictatorships generally had very strong literacy campaigns (Cuba went from about 60% literacy to almost 100% in 30 years, USSR went from 25% to almost 100% in about the same time, China also had something similar) and tried to train as many engineers and scientists as possible. There was a good reason why the GDR national symbol had a technical drawing instrument on it.

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    3. Re:Czar Putin by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Why do you confuse literacy with intelligence?

      Also look up "functional illiteracy". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    4. Re:Czar Putin by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Because literacy is a large part of human intelligence. Also your "functional illiteracy" is a non-sequitur. I grew up in such a Marxist dictatorship, functional illiteracy wouldn't do there. Matter of fact, current German schools are quite a bit weaker on education than GDR schools have been. Science and education have generally been quite important in Marxist countries - basically one of the few good things about them.

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    5. Re:Czar Putin by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Let's not get into the "I know more than you because I lived such times".
      I'm Romanian. You would lose horribly :)

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  5. Inspector Gadget: by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    Don't worry, Chief. I'm always on duty!

  6. It's a FRY TOY, what do you expect? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    'Fidget spinners' are basically toys that would captivate someone who is stoned, so what do you expect? It's right up there with things like Candy Crush.

    1. Re:It's a FRY TOY, what do you expect? by mikael · · Score: 1

      I'm sure there are some science fair projects that you could do with them, especially those with the polychromatic rainbow colors:

      1. Why does polychromatic metal have different colours?
      2. Why is there resistance to a spinner changing axis?
      3. Which ones have the greatest angular momentum?
      4. Which are the easiest to accelerate?

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    2. Re:It's a FRY TOY, what do you expect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot the most important question:

      5. Just why?

    3. Re: It's a FRY TOY, what do you expect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None of which is the point of the toy.
      People just grab spinners by the middle and spin it? Fine, but that's not going to improve dexterity or focus.
      You're supposed to be switching which outer bearing you hold it by while it spins. You know, something not completely braindead?

    4. Re:It's a FRY TOY, what do you expect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the problem is that it's hard to play with a fidget spinner when your fingers are dropping off from using Krokodil.

  7. They're just using this to harass Putin's rival by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    when you've got unlimited resources and no morals you can do petty crap like this.

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  8. "dulls" people's minds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think they were dull to begin with

  9. A joke to be made by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure there's a joke to be made about Russians and Vodka in here somewhere.

  10. Fidget Zombie coming soon to a theater near you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Screw zombie cause by nuclear waste

  11. Wait.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Aren't these the folks that gave us Tetris?

    1. Re:Wait.... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 3, Funny

      IMHO, the spinner retaliation against Tetris is a bit overkill.

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    2. Re:Wait.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was that the game with the triple murder suicide?

    3. Re:Wait.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You don't remember Tetris very well, do you?

  12. How do you use them? by NettiWelho · · Score: 1

    a second report on Russia-24 also aired on July 12th, directly saying fidget spinners were an "object for zombifying" and a form of "hypnosis."

    So do you smoke or snort them?

    1. Re:How do you use them? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      You hit yourself round the head with them.

      They're not so heavy, I hear you say.

      You do it before unloading them from the shipping container.

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    2. Re: How do you use them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the people who brought us Krokodil...I don't really care if we zombify them. They literally do it to themselves anyways.

  13. You are getting ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... sleepy ...

    You want to meet the U.S. president's son ...

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    1. Re:You are getting ... by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1

      Not even the dead are that sleepy...

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  14. Obligatory xkcd by rwa2 · · Score: 1

    Gyroscopes... How do they work? What the hell are they really up to?

    https://xkcd.com/332/

  15. Russophobic Fake News!!!!!11111 by sciengin · · Score: 1

    Another evidence for the complete bias of the capitalistic West against Russia.
    They are investigating the Fidget spinners after Reports claim that they gayify youth.
    The legitimate threat of the homofication of a whole generation prompted our dear and belived Czar Putin to act on behelf of this glorious nation.

  16. Russia says... by Gussington · · Score: 0

    This is the problem that sums up the fake news phenomenon. "Russia is", "Russia says", What is Russia in this instance? It's not all 144 million Russians just as a Breitbart headline doesn't reflect all 320 millions Americas. It is equally ridiculous to quote America is...America says because something Kanye West thinks.
    It is one editors opinion and that is all. Not worthy of wasting energy on, and shame on Slashdot for propagating such trash.

    1. Re:Russia says... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Repeat slowly until it sinks in: STATE. RUN. MEDIA. SOURCE.

    2. Re:Russia says... by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      The reports spurred Russia's consumer protection agency, Rospotrebnadzor, into action, saying on Tuesday they would launch an investigation into the toy.

      That's who. Right there in the summary, should you have read the whole thing. A government body, hence "Russia." Just as when they refer to U.S Navy manouevres by saying "U.S. moves warships to Japanese waters," or what have you.

      This is a perfectly cromulent use of the name of the country to refer to the activities of its government or part thereof.

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    3. Re:Russia says... by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Actually it's referring to the government consumer protection body.

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    4. Re:Russia says... by geekymachoman · · Score: 1

      > Repeat slowly until it sinks in: STATE. RUN. MEDIA. SOURCE.

      I was born in communist and grew up in post communist country (albeit it has nothing to do with Russian or Chinese communism), and the state run media channel(s), specifically HRT 1,2,3 which translates to Croatian Radio Television was the best media source you could wish for. I understand what you mean, but this is not exclusive to state run media.

      Your media, Leftist CNN is total brainwashing BS, same as Right wing Breitbart, and as a news source it cannot be even compared to the HRT from the 80s or late 90s. While there was a lot of bullshit on these local state run TV channels when it comes to news and politics, the rest of the programming was extraordinary, and it was tailored to the people and not whoever pays for the ads.

      They had rules such as limitation (of 30 seconds) on how long the AD can run on the TV, and how often (once an hour).
      Best documentaries and children programming on state run TV at the right time of day.
      Family friendly movies and tv shows
      Music and art programming, both local and foreign
      List goes on... (list of things that you cannot literally find a channel like this anymore, anywhere in the western world)

      I understand that you're brainwashed to think that every "state" is or should be treated as an enemy, but there are cases when the state is not trying to screw you. Can you imagine that ?

      Where I'm from, TV was from the people FOR the people.
      These crap private TV networks that exist now, that most of you think is normal to have... holy mother of god, kill me now.

  17. Wow, really? by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 1

    Fucking hell, Russia, keep up. No one plays with Fidget Spinners anymore, those were last term's toy, and now it's the Summer holidays.

    By the time you publish your report, it'll be September and the kids will be back at school obsessing over the thing that starting trending during the break.

    Personally my money's on the app that lets you link loads of phones together do you can all play a massive game of Simon Says.

  18. If it's true–- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Send a couple truckloads to the Kremlin. Make sure Putin gets one.

  19. Exactly the report I expect from a 3rd world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, this is exactly the report I would expect from a 3rd world country. This is Russia now?

  20. is this news? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    Two takeaways from TFA: (1) Russia has junk news too. (2) Glad to see J Wraps found somewhere to dump their excess product.

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  21. What's even funnier is that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...this is coming from a country who's populous basically medicates themselves daily into a zombified stupor with vodka. And they're worried about fidget spinners?

    1. Re:What's even funnier is that... by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

      I'm surprised that here in the U.S. people haven't been doing the same since January.

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  24. Fidget Spinners are a CIA trick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to the Russians, anything that comes out of the US is obviously a CIA plot.

  25. Totally Ludicrous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It doesn't zombify the youth.

    I makes them gay!

  26. In post-Soviet Russia... by istartedi · · Score: 1

    In post-Soviet Russia, The East has moral panics.

    I heard that if you spin them backwards, they play Stairway to Heaven.

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  27. Star Trek beat them to it by k0nane · · Score: 1

    An innocent-seeming toy leading to mind control? Sounds like "the game" from ST:TNG that hypnotizes many of Enterprise's youth (and some adults too) into sabotaging the ship's defenses. Fiction before, fiction now. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, eh Russia-24?

  28. History repeating itself by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    It's the decadent west trying to corrupt the youth. It's that rock and roll problem all over again.

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  29. What the Russians don't know by siamesevodka · · Score: 1

    Our hacker elite have figured out a way to hack into the fidget and surveil the average Russian. Also spinning it in front of Russian ATM's will drain the cash from them. So in Russia you don't spin fidget, it spins you.

  30. Have they not heard of fads? by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    We all know extremes are bad but the fad is already dying down and people will probably lose interest as individuals at least in the current capacity

    Why is this seen as a crisis?

  31. This Post, Is Like . . . by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    Smelling fish, that's been in the sun for 3 days.

    1. Re:This Post, Is Like . . . by skam240 · · Score: 1

      Of course if you follow the sources you end up with a youtube clip of a russian news broadcast that can be translated by youtube for you.

      But then again it's much easier to just have an oppinion about something you know nothing about...

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    2. Re:This Post, Is Like . . . by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Oh, and you think you're scary smart? Da.

  32. Its sad that so many kids even give a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    shit about fidget spinners. Its completely boring and moronic. Maybe once but not if your still interested in them after 5 minutes you are an idiot.

  33. Warning: MSM purchases sock puppets by s.petry · · Score: 3, Informative

    Pretty damn obvious when a post saying "one should read them all" gets moderated troll, and the name calling posts against Breitbart get moderated +5 insightful. Facts may hurt on occasion, but they are facts.

    All of media today lies, plain and simple. CNN, and NBC have both been caught repeatedly fabricating, staging, and editing content to promote a narrative instead of performing actual journalism. Watch either of those 2 stations and you hear the half a set of fact they need to support the narrative they want you to hear and believe. Nothing more. Not unique to them, just the most obvious offenders.

    It is the information vacuum which gives rise to sites like Infowars. They lie too! If you want to see how bad US media has become with propaganda, just read about the same topic on NYT and Breitbart and compare. Watch CNN and Fox and compare. Same subject, two separate sets of facts being discussed, and two completely different opinions being presented. Amazingly, they both tend to favor the leftist agenda.

    Journalism in the US is dead, and has been for quite a while. The only difference between today and 10 years ago is that it's easier to see media caught in the act. Trust in Journalism is the only thing lower than approval for politicians.

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    1. Re: Warning: MSM purchases sock puppets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Pretty damn obvious when a post saying "one should read them all" gets moderated troll, and the name calling posts against Breitbart get moderated +5 insightful.

      Yes, that GLMDesigns, is, like yourself, recognized as a troll, and the community also realizes that Breitbart is a steaming pile of shit.

      So a non-genuine bit of sophistry gets modded down, and you, a fellow traveler, get upset over it. Because, admit to it or not, you really are desperate for affirmation?

      Facts may hurt on occasion, but they are facts.

      Facts are slippery things, and well-suited to misrepresentations and deceits. You should know that yourself. You do make quite a considerable effort to build your house of lies on a slim foundation of truth.

      All of media today lies, plain and simple. CNN, and NBC have both been caught repeatedly fabricating, staging, and editing content to promote a narrative instead of performing actual journalism. Watch either of those 2 stations and you hear the half a set of fact they need to support the narrative they want you to hear and believe. Nothing more. Not unique to them, just the most obvious offenders.

      No, there are much more blatantly obvious distorters pushing their narrative agenda out there. Sinclair Broadcast Group, for example, is quite egregious.

      You really don't have much discernment on that regard.

      It is the information vacuum which gives rise to sites like Infowars. They lie too!

      No, it isn't a vacuum, it is a fan that blows a lot of shit.

      If you want to see how bad US media has become with propaganda, just read about the same topic on NYT and Breitbart and compare.

      Or put a camera on a bunch of children, then ask them their story about what happened when they start misbehaving. Or trained police officers. Or yourself. You know you've given accounts that vary based on your mood at the time.

      Watch CNN and Fox and compare. Same subject, two separate sets of facts being discussed, and two completely different opinions being presented. Amazingly, they both tend to favor the leftist agenda.

      Oh, silly s.petry, still beholden to a false narrative portrayal of political spectrum. You would be less of an arse if you simply abandoned that concept of two-dimensional politics.

      Journalism in the US is dead, and has been for quite a while. The only difference between today and 10 years ago is that it's easier to see media caught in the act.

      Or you could just watch Citizen Kane. Or a Shakespeare play. Or a Greek drama. It's like you are way out of touch with the actual historical record.

      Or maybe you just aren't very sophisticated.

      Trust in Journalism is the only thing lower than approval for politicians.

      Mysterious how much trust you have in those polls, when you use them to craft your own narrative. Most mysterious.

    2. Re:Warning: MSM purchases sock puppets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's probably not that much about the "one should read them all" line but more about all the bullshit that came before that.

    3. Re:Warning: MSM purchases sock puppets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But we got the most cost-effective journalists and most expensive politicians, what can possibly go wrong to profits?

    4. Re:Warning: MSM purchases sock puppets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone, please figure out how to clone Cronkite.

  34. Maybe they're worried about spy devices by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

    What could be better at doubling as a listening device than a fidget spinner? It could even generate its own electricity, and nobody would be the wiser about that innocent looking toy the guy at the end of the conference room table is playing with!

  35. Anti-Communist Toys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh no, there's only English written on the toy. It's clearly a anti-Communist toy meant to destroy Russian.

  36. Destroy Russian Toys Now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All Americans must destroy Rubix Cubes and Tetris video games now! These Russian toys are corrupting American youth!

  37. Anyone remember the Yo-Yo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is same thing.. but for the lazy

  38. WEIRD possible future... by SpiralBound · · Score: 1

    Imagine a future where fidget spinners have been largely forgotten about by the rest of the world, while in Russia they are a highly valued, illegal tool for political opposition. Smugglers bring them in at night. Police arrest and imprison people for "subverting the state" via fidget spinners...

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  39. True, but.. by s.petry · · Score: 1

    i'd wager that a fair number of people do not read the news to stay informed, but to reinforce the views they already hold.

    That means exactly what I said above, that Journalism is dead. Journalism isn't supposed to be just presenting your opinion, or the opinion someone wants you to present. Journalism is supposed to be primarily obtaining and presenting the fullest set of facts possible so that the reader/listener can make up their own mind about an opinion with all of the facts journalism made available.

    Even in the age of the video recorder everywhere catching people in media lying, we have very little real journalism. We have liars, and people catching the liars as the story. The truth is not present in either of those situations.

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    1. Re:True, but.. by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Journalism is supposed to be primarily obtaining and presenting the fullest set of facts possible so that the reader/listener can make up their own mind about an opinion with all of the facts journalism made available.

      The problem is the reader doesn't want to think. Reading sources and analyzing requires a level of thought and effort that most people don't want to put in. Hence such things as "soundbites" where you try to convey what you're trying to say in 2 seconds because to spend any more time takes too much work.

      Journalism works when the reader and the writer participate in the process. The reader has not shown to be wanting to do this so it all boils down to what you can tell them before they get distracted.

      It's why sources like Breitbart are so effective - because it's really easy to generate something that stays within the reader's short attention span. Heck, it's been used by papers like the National Enquirer for decades because they only have seconds to get your eye at the checkout stand.

      The real issue is the truth is often far more subtle, a lot greyer than the easy black and white the extremist sites portray. It's possible to disagree with the outcome of something, but agree that it's probably the best choice of all the choices available. (e.g., democracy is a horrible political system, it's just the best we have right now, or I hate the president did X, but X was probably the best choice among bad, horrible and worse).

      But people hate greys. Black and white is easier to understand.

    2. Re:True, but.. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      A newspaper has lots of room for print, but even so it can't report everything of interest. Other media are more limited.

      Therefore, all you can possibly get from any news source is a curated collection of facts, which have been selected by biased human beings. Connections between facts shade into opinion, which needs to be included to make the facts more digestible. All news sources will be, and always have been, biased.

      The big difference between now and fifty years ago is that we now have many more possible news outlets. Fifty years ago, we had a small selection of newspapers and news magazines to read, and radio and television news, and fact-checking any of it was difficult at best.

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    3. Re:True, but.. by s.petry · · Score: 1

      The problem is the reader doesn't want to think.

      Really? And you know this because Aliens whispered in your ear? You regularly commune with mushrooms and have gained deity status? Those voices in your head keep telling you so?

      When you begin your opinion with a false generalization, anything else you say should be dismissed. _YOU_ may not want to think, but don't project your virtues (or lack thereof) onto everyone else.

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  40. What? One? by s.petry · · Score: 1

    CNN had to make a major retraction and had 3 journalists resign over the most recent retraction, but they have had numerous retractions and have numerous lawsuits pending for libel and slander. This is not including those that have been settled out of court, and resulted in other "journalist" resignations. CNN repeatedly quote stories from NYT and WAPO which have their own long list of retractions, and libel/slander cases.

    CNN has also staged election questions, self admitted promoted politicians they like, and fed a candidate they liked election questions ahead of time so that they could prepare answers ahead of time (at least 1 that we know of).

    CNN has been caught openly gatekeeping (Cuomo telling people it was illegal for them to read information from Wikileaks), Staging fake scenes of protests, staging fake crime scenes, lying about reporter locations and green screening "live" reports.

    Funny that "Snopes" lists the most recently reported staging of a protests false because CNN claimed if was false. No bias in Snopes right?

    Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/..., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/..., and you can google the others. Just make sure you omit "cnn.com" from the results. Google "cnn lies" and the links mostly point to CNN stories denying that they lied. No collusion involved, I know.. Google isn't part of the charade either...

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  41. government solving pretend problems by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

    I hope this doesn't cause the governments to forget the other pretend problems they are solving.

    You know like the NEA helping with the problem where people don't know how good the Affordable Care Act is.

    And the NSA helping with the problem of not enough people reading our emails.

    And the IRS helping with the problem of people participating in the wrong political organizations and having incorrect prayers and all that.

    And the problem where researchers don't understand why lesbians weigh more on average than straight women.

    Hopefully tax payers have enough left that the government can address some of these other urgent pretend problems without letting up. What would people end up doing with that money in their pockets? Probably something frivilous that doesn't help anyone. If they don't have it, sure, let's borrow more money from China until our credit score declines, our interest rates go through the roof, and the treasury has to declare bankruptcy. Because that would be so much better than kids having fidget spinners.

  42. Re:What? One? by skam240 · · Score: 1

    So they're different from other news organizations how?

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  43. Re:What? One? by skam240 · · Score: 1

    Wait a second. Sorry I'm super tired because i work 40 hours a week and take care of my dad 40+

    Lets talk about your post. You dump a bunch of very specific accusations out there and the only sources you provide are two very generic wilipedia articles that doesnt help with any of it. Sorry but I have neither the time nor the interest in doing all the leg work on this.

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  44. Re:What? One? by s.petry · · Score: 1

    If you look for other posts in this thread, they are different because they have been caught more.

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  45. If Dear Leader Putin doesn't like them by Maritz · · Score: 1

    Then you aren't fucking having them.

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  46. Hack our elections... by martinfb · · Score: 1

    Hack our elections, will you?!
    Well, take this - fidget spinners!

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  47. Re:What? One? by skam240 · · Score: 1

    See my other post about accountability. I have to interest in doing all the work for you.

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