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Nolan's Cinematic Vision in 'Dunkirk' is Hollywood's Best Defense Against Netflix (marketwatch.com)

There's nothing quite like filming a movie on film, according to the director Christopher Nolan. His new WWII film, Dunkirk, was shot entirely on epic 65mm, as opposed to digital. And it's receiving the widest release of that film format in recent history. But Nolan's views on doing things the way "they're meant to be done," isn't limited to just making a film. He also wants you watch the movie in the theatre, and not on streaming service Netflix, which he says he rarely uses. From a report: "Dunkirk," director Christopher Nolan's big budget war epic, is a filmmaker's film and a movie buff's dream with its wide, high-resolution 70mm format. It's like an expressionist painting, said ComScore media analyst Paul Dergarabedian. The Hollywood Reporter even said "Dunkirk" could launch a 70mm film renaissance. "I would always prefer and really recommend that everyone see it on Imax 70mm," Dergarabedian said. "People talk about 'they don't make movies like that anymore.' Well, this is that movie." Dunkirk, which opens across the U.S. this weekend, is a film that everyone will tell you has to be seen on the big screen. And that has rekindled the debate about the pros and cons of films opening in a theater versus being streamed by Netflix. In an interview with Indiewire ahead of the film's premiere, Nolan criticized Netflix for its "bizarre aversion to supporting theatrical films." Netflix, despite doubling down on its film business and looking to make inroads in the industry, has continued its controversial stance against Hollywood's theatrical window model. To the film industry's dismay, Netflix is still adopting a day and date release model -- dropping a movie on the streaming service the same day it hits theaters. Hollywood relies on the money moviegoers spend at the box office, and the industry is reluctant to give up the exclusive window of time that films are only in theaters, fearing it would cripple that income stream. "Dunkirk" is an impressive $150 million argument on behalf of cinema.
In an interview, Nolan said he will not work with Netflix because their film strategy is "pointless." He said, "They have this mindless policy of everything having to be simultaneously streamed and released, which is obviously an untenable model for theatrical presentation. So they're not even getting in the game, and I think they're missing a huge opportunity. [...] You can see that Amazon is very clearly happy to not make that same mistake," he said. "The theaters have a 90-day window. It's a perfectly usable model. It's terrific."

Critics have found Dunkirk one of the best movies -- and perhaps the best war movie -- ever made. The Guardian said it's the best Nolan movie, while the New York Times found it "both sweeping and intimate."

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  1. Same Day As Netflix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wait, there are movies that hit Netflix the same day as theaters? Inconceivable!

    1. Re:Same Day As Netflix? by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      I guess you're going to have to sit down for this, but:

      There are some movies that hit Netflix before they hit theaters.

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    2. Re: Same Day As Netflix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Christopher Nolan is an asshole. He can keep your epic Luddite shit to himself.

    3. Re:Same Day As Netflix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That makes no god damned sense. Going to Netflix instead of theaters, sure. But before? Again, inconceivable!

    4. Re:Same Day As Netflix? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      It's similar to the old "Direct to DVD" model, except Netflix pays some theaters to show their movies.

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    5. Re: Same Day As Netflix? by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 2

      But Nolan's views on doing things the way "they're meant to be done," isn't limited to just making a film. He also wants you watch the movie in the theatre, and not on streaming service Netflix, which he says he rarely uses

      Does he want us to take a horse-drawn carriage to the theatre as well? Will there be intertitles with the dialog displayed between scenes, and a live orchestra playing the sound effects?

    6. Re:Same Day As Netflix? by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      &&boo-hoo-hoo, poor hollywoodsters, all be living under a bridge now, no 13th ferrari this year ... if netflix can do that someone is selling them the rights to, last time i checked they were legit so ... if its not hollywood selling the rights then ... ?!? is this an american thing ? the united lobbies of the free world cant resist selling the rights early so it loses them money while paying copyright trolls to chase people who wouldnt pay then threaten to put download mom in copyright guantanamo and watersurf her with microsoft edge on a machine with 2gb for hours every day?
      ... ? those poor hollywoodsters .. i dont know if they understand theres very little sympathy to be had playing poor little rich kid up there ?
      i thought netflix was for rich people too ? pay monthly and get 1000 shows of which theres five you wanna see ? (yea im slightly negative lately)

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    7. Re:Same Day As Netflix? by Wescotte · · Score: 1

      I believe in order to be eligible for academy awards you have to have your film screened in X number of theaters for Y days. I have a feeling this is Netflix's primary drive for releasing anything theatrically.

    8. Re:Same Day As Netflix? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Oh, that would make sense.

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  2. Not affordable by OffTheLip · · Score: 2

    It's really that simple for most people seeing films in theaters is too costly. Most are not "must see" immediately good anyway.

    1. Re:Not affordable by Osgeld · · Score: 2

      that and the quality of experience is usually poor

      you got random people with phones and mouths popping up all the time
      the picture is typically fuzzy
      the sound is almost ALL BASSSSSSSS
      and to watch a 90 min movie takes over 2 hours by the time they actually get started

    2. Re:Not affordable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And for some reason the sound is turned up so deaf people can hear it, and the rest of us can turn deaf.

    3. Re: Not affordable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And there's all those damn horseless carriages in the hitching post area!

    4. Re:Not affordable by MBGMorden · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, it's not just cost.

      I don't care to eat or drink when I go to the movies, so I don't factor the cost of popcorn or soda into a trip to the movies. The ticket prices at the place I usually go to are $6.50 for an adult ticket. It'd be peanuts to go a few times a week.

      That said - i go to the theater MAYBE 3 times a year, and that's simply because it's a movie that I really want to see NOW and not in a few months.

      While I can understand their passion, for me (and I think a large number of people), a trip to the theater isn't some holy cathartic experience. It's not magical. It's just a dark room with a big screen and decent speakers - which I've got at home.

      Put it this way: if I could pay the same price of a movie ticket, and could watch the movie once on release day BUT I had my choice to watch it in a theater or at home, I can guarantee I'd never step foot in a theater again.

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    5. Re: Not affordable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And I think that's what Hollywood doesn't understand. If I'm going to spend the $9 to go to a theater (that's what it is for my local theater), I want to watch something good! I'm always thinking how I'd rather wait for a certain movie to show up on Netflix or Amazon prime.

      I want to watch Dunkirk, and right now I think I want to watch it enough to go to the theater for it. That's a sign of a good movie, to me.

      I'm not, however, going to have that same interest in a movie that I don't find appealing. That's where, I think, Hollywood is struggling. They think people will want to watch whatever they put out, even if it's horrible.

    6. Re:Not affordable by ewanm89 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, you have it very cheap, here in the UK my local cinema is £9.50 for an adult ticket, which is approximately $12.35 US at today's exchange rate. Oh and the pound has been going down for the last couple of years, so £9.50 two year ago was worth a hell of a lot more at approximately $14.80 US.

      And then I have a darkened room with a full sound system and a nice screen to use at home without popcorn in the carpet and others talking over it or flashing their phones.

    7. Re: Not affordable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I usually go to the movies when I'm in London because your prices are so cheap. Prices in Sweden are roughly USD 30 for an adult cinema ticket and a Netflix subscription runs USD 7/month...

    8. Re:Not affordable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what you're saying is, Millennials are killing movie theaters?

    9. Re:Not affordable by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      My chief problem is that I would have to drive a helluva long way to enjoy a 70mm film in all its glory. The multiplex theaters near me simply wouldn't show such a film 'in all its glory".

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    10. Re:Not affordable by SirCowMan · · Score: 1

      Definitely, compared to large HDR screen, 11.3 surround, dirt cheap popcorn and a comfy couch. I'll watch 'er at home, yeppers.

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    11. Re: Not affordable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I want to watch Dunkirk, and right now I think I want to watch it enough to go to the theater for it. That's a sign of good marketing, to me.

      FTFY

    12. Re:Not affordable by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      It's really that simple for most people seeing films in theaters is too costly.

      But is it really? Most cinemas are cheaper than Chinese takeout. My local IMAX is cheaper than most restaurants.

      Sure for *some* people it's expensive, but in terms of entertainment factor, at about $5-10 per hour going to a movie is an incredibly cheap activity. Cheaper than eating, doing any kind of sport where you need to hire equipment or fields, cheaper than going to a football game, definitely cheaper than going to a pub if you're anything other than the designated driver, and even then depending on where you parked your car it could be cheaper than that too.

      If going to theatres is too costly maybe we should be sending our food supplies to the USA instead of Africa because I don't understand how you all feed yourselves.

    13. Re: Not affordable by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      To me it's affordable, but not worth the risk. If a movie on Netflix sucks, I can quit watching or go mst3k on it for entertainment. I have been burned by suck ass films too much in theaters that I don't go unless it's great and the theater size adds something to it (like saving private Ryan). I might go see Dunkirk.

    14. Re:Not affordable by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      Not sure where you live but I'm looking at Valerian tickets now and they are $9 each for 3D.

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    15. Re: Not affordable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Socialism doesn't pay for itself ;)

    16. Re:Not affordable by elrous0 · · Score: 2

      And I love how the summary cites 70mm presentations as the redeeming quality of theaters, when the vast majority of theaters can't even play 70mm films. Shit, most theaters have gone digital and most can only play movies in 2K resolution. I don't think I've even seen a 70mm projector since my last visit to one of the very few *REAL* Imax theaters in the country (not that shit passing itself off as "Imax" today, I mean the real 70mm gigantic screen kind).

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    17. Re:Not affordable by theArtificial · · Score: 1

      Does that price include tax? Regular screening is $14.19+ [1] IMAX is $21+

      [1] https://www.amctheatres.com/mo...
      [2] https://tickets.fandango.com/t...

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    18. Re:Not affordable by rtb61 · · Score: 0

      Realities problem is the difference between telling a ripping yarn and a pretty picture. Obviously going straight over the video geeks heads. Problem is some geek, especially the super focused ones, get really locked into their version of a brain tasty world, what makes their brain feel good. They lose track of stuff like, which is better visually a good book or a bad movie, the book is hands down better because that particular one is valued good and you create the vision within your own mind and a shit movie is just a shit movie no matter how good it looks. The greatest purveyor of shit stories that look really great Jar Jar Abrams, before someone goes nuts on me, https://www.google.com.au/sear... (real Saturday morning cartoon fair and didn't he earn that search, your mum might think you are great Jar Jar but you tell shit stories).

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    19. Re: Not affordable by mikael · · Score: 1

      Most of the IMAX theaters that I know the location of, are right next to the places where they do the film post production (Soho, London), Los Angeles, New York. That's also where there are large tourist markets. So those theaters are always busy, but not with regular visitors.

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    20. Re:Not affordable by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      Are you a time traveller?
      I haven't had an experience like that since the 80's.

    21. Re: Not affordable by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      I have been burned by suck ass films too much in theaters

      Ever heard of RottenTomatoes?

  3. The Hateful Eight by harlequinn · · Score: 1

    The Hateful Eight was shot in 70 mm. So if there is a 70mm film renaissance it may have already been started by Quentin Tarantino and cinematographer Robert Richardson in 2015.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    1. Re:The Hateful Eight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Hateful Eight was shot in 70 mm. So if there is a 70mm film renaissance it may have already been started by Quentin Tarantino and cinematographer Robert Richardson in 2015.

      I saw the above movie and it SUCKED. Fortunately I saw it for free from a pirate stream, so I did not waste money on that crap.

      Renaissance ? Bullshit. The movie needs to be good, and if that condition is not met, the rest is immaterial.

    2. Re:The Hateful Eight by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Perhaps 70mm film is a bit like 3D: it only adds something when it's done right, in the right kind of movie. Jaws 3D vs. Avatar. Did shooting on 70mm add something to the Hateful Eight, or might it as well have been digital?

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    3. Re: The Hateful Eight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll agree on the done right. Using 16mm just gave The Walking Dead a better feel for me as oppose to if they shot on digital.

      Sometimes new(er) isn't always better

    4. Re:The Hateful Eight by zippthorne · · Score: 2

      It's worse than 3D. 3D at least has a tangeable difference in the product - some scenes will have a stereoscopic 3D effect that part of the audienct that includes me likes very much (when used to help build scale), other parts of the audience don't care for or can't see, and another group that may or may not be in the audience has an irrational hatred of.

      Since Distribution is all digital now, the only thing shooting in 70mm adds is film grain and color gamut that you could reproduce more accurately or in a more controlled manner by filming in digital with the same shutter ratios and applying clever filters later on. If you shoot in 70mm film, you still need to run it over a digital camera/scanner/whatever at some point later on.

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    5. Re:The Hateful Eight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can confirm Hateful 8 sucked. The idea that anyone cares what kind of media it's recorded on, is complete nonsense.
      More fluff article noise. The "spend more to make more" model have failed. Platform-sponsored movies and shows are better liked, although the margins and exposure is lower (mostly due to marketing and marketshare). Slowly but surely, it's turning around.

    6. Re:The Hateful Eight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hateful Eight had some amazing dynamic panoramic shots. THAT is the power of 70mm. Beyond that, 80% of the movie occurred inside a single room where 70mm was wasted. I am interested in seeing Dunkirk because there is more action and likely will utilize 70mm way better. That said, I have a 100" projection and 7.2 surround in a smaller than 12x12 room. I will have a better movie experience at home than at the theatre, so I shall wait for the blueray rip, kplzthx

    7. Re:The Hateful Eight by mikael · · Score: 1

      CinemaScope and other widescreen formats were designed for the viewers to see panoramic scenes like mountains and wide open country. True quality color was another obvious improvement, along with stereo sound. 70mm film has the advantage of having a higher dynamic range, resolution and colour gamut that the digital systems.

      Films that used 70mm in the past include: “Star Wars” trilogy, ”Tron” (1982) and “Who Framed Roger Rabbit” [1988]) but during that period, it was employed on such classics as “White Christmas” (1954), “The Ten Commandments” (1956) and “One-Eyed Jacks” (1961).

      "One director who made especially good use of it was Alfred Hitchcock, who utilized the process on “To Catch a Thief” (1955), “The Trouble with Harry” (1955), “The Man Who Knew Too Much” (1956), “Vertigo” (1958) and “North by Northwest” (1959). Of those films, “Vertigo” remains his most impressive use of the format for how it allowed him to use color as a way of further evoking the emotional and psychological journey that he put both his characters and his audience through. Throughout the film, he uses specific colors to underscore certain moods—from the blue for James Stewart’s guilt over the death in the opening scene that he feels responsible for, to the green that comes to represent Kim Novak, the focus of the eventual obsession that threatens to destroy him, to the bright reds that turn up from time to time to serve as unheeded warnings. The deep and rich depictions of these colors made possible by VistaVision are both gorgeous and terrifying to behold."

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    8. Re:The Hateful Eight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hateful Eight was shot in 70 mm. This was shot in IMAX 70 mm which is completely different and much better.

    9. Re:The Hateful Eight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nope not better, no one but anal retentive assholes care

    10. Re:The Hateful Eight by dwywit · · Score: 1

      What's the equivalent resolution figure for 70mm film, say, in 100ISO? AFAIK, a frame of 100ISO 35mm film is good for a bit over 4K, so a 70mm frame, ~4x the size of a 35mm frame, should be good for 16K, yes?

      Grain is not the issue. Artificial grain has been an option in digital post-processing for years. Filmmakers choose film for aesthetic reasons (and because they have enough clout to demand the budget for it. Film stock ain't cheap.)

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    11. Re:The Hateful Eight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think a 4K pixel has a smaller size than then a 35mm film grain. I've seen close up of 4K 35mm film scans and you could see the shape of the film grains.

      In 2006 and 2008 I saw UltraHD 8K being projected at IBC in Amsterdam, to footage they showed was captures with a 8K digital camera as well.

      The image was very cool, but it suffered from Hyper-Realism. Basically because of the size/distance from the screen, the object that was displayed on the screen was sharper than if you would see the same object in real life with your own eyes. The visual effect industry has the same problems with 4K CGI, they actually have to blur the image so that the generated objects don't look sharper than in real live.

      I imagine shooting at 70mm with very good lenses will have the same issues. But maybe 70mm has film grain more in the neighberhood of 4K pixels rather than UltraHDs 8K.

    12. Re:The Hateful Eight by harlequinn · · Score: 1

      "Renaissance?"

      Yes, that's what he wrote.

      Whether or not you liked The Hateful Eight is immaterial. The thing that matters here is if other directors and cinematographers saw it and thought that their next movie could use it or not. They also may have hated the plot of The Hateful Eight but thought "fuck those vistas and amazing in 70mm" and adopted it.

    13. Re:The Hateful Eight by harlequinn · · Score: 1

      I think people enjoy HDTV over SDTV very much. And that is very much a case of "what kind of media it's recorded on". The same is true for various film and digital cinematography formats. Some media/formats present large advantages over other formats and people enjoy these advantages - that's not exactly controversial.

    14. Re:The Hateful Eight by harlequinn · · Score: 1

      I think that's sort of true. The Room will still be The Room even on 70 mm. You might enjoy the amazing quality footage but still be slapped in the face by the plot. So in the end one will override the other in the casual viewers mind.

    15. Re:The Hateful Eight by draxbear · · Score: 1

      Plot? Hang on, I thought this was an auto-biography about William Shatner's ex-girlfriends?

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    16. Re:The Hateful Eight by Wescotte · · Score: 1

      Tarantino makes entertaining films but I don't think his choice of film stock has anything to do with it. Hateful Eight did not need to be shot on 70mm. It took place almost entirely in a single interior location which does not take advantage of the format.

    17. Re:The Hateful Eight by harlequinn · · Score: 1

      This article has an embedded video that explains some of their reasoning for using 70mm. Interestingly, they thought that 70mm was an advantage in the interior locations.

      http://www.cinemablend.com/new...

    18. Re:The Hateful Eight by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      No, it would be 8K. An 8K image has four times as many pixels as a 4K image, just as a standard 70mm image is four times the size of a 35mm image. IMAX is another matter; that image is even larger because it uses the 70mm film differently.

  4. Obvious Hollywood shill is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Which would you rather have:

    1. A nice, relaxing watch on your own time, own schedule, with the people of your choosing, with affordable snacks and great seats
    2. A dingy, overpriced, cramped, uncomfortable, smelly struggle to enjoy a film played on poorly maintained projectors in a theater rocking with the sounds of cellphones and conversation, while the usher stands idly by and fails to enforce any order, while you munch stale $20 popcorn.

    Option 1 will cost you a Netflix subscription. #2 will cost you $30 a head for one viewing. Little surprise I, like thousands of others, never go to a theater!

    If Hollywood wants to defend their vision of how films "should" be seen, they have to regulate themselves and beat the alternative options. So far, all they really want to do is whine about it.

    1. Re:Obvious Hollywood shill is obvious by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      I don't know if you've been to a (mainstream, chain, in a moderately normal part of the country) cinema lately but they're seriously doing a lot to address your concerns, with large, comfortable, reclining seats, cup holders, and digital projection if they can't support 70mm or IMAX.

      The improvement in seat quality has come at a cost that I've noticed most cinemas in my area now have so little capacity - bigger seats with more legroom means fewer seats - that they have had to resort to assigned seating for more popular movies. My wife and I watched Wonder Woman during the afternoon and there were only five spots in the theater where we could sit together.

      Which, I guess, leaves snacks, but I've yet to come across a cinema that'll search your bag, or, you know, you could forgo them and eat before or after you've seen the film.

      I've seen various ups and downs in the movie industry. I remember how terrible theaters were in the 1970s when my father took me to see The Jungle Book, and a little later, Star Wars, watching the former on a screen that probably wasn't more than 2-3x bigger than the TV I have today. Things slightly improved in the 1980s, largely because all of a sudden the cinemas had money to spend on long needed renovations, but by the mid-2000s we were back to dirty cinemas with cramped seats and, in one cinema I went to, the smell of pee.

      But we seem to be back to the cinemas doing something about it and revamping their theaters. I don't know how long this will last, but I like it.

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    2. Re:Obvious Hollywood shill is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not enough black or brown people and few women in this movie. Hardly any at all. When will Hollywood finally embrace diversity?

    3. Re:Obvious Hollywood shill is obvious by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      2. A dingy, overpriced, cramped, uncomfortable, smelly struggle to enjoy a film played on poorly maintained projectors in a theater rocking with the sounds of cellphones and conversation, while the usher stands idly by and fails to enforce any order, while you munch stale $20 popcorn.

      Try moving out of Dis to a city on this realm. You'll find the cinemas substantially better.

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    4. Re:Obvious Hollywood shill is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally I can't stand directors who want money in exchange for a movie without a soundtrack.

      "The only right way" to watch this tards movie is in a place with screaming children and babies, near self entitled asshats on cell phones, and teens with laser pointers aimed at the screen for no reason other than "red dot is funny" somehow.

      At least on Netflix the movie includes a soundtrack I can hear and video I can see.

    5. Re: Obvious Hollywood shill is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Theatre experience has improved. It's like being kicked in only one of your balls, now.

    6. Re:Obvious Hollywood shill is obvious by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > but they're seriously doing a lot to address your concerns, with large, comfortable, reclining seats, cup holders, and digital projection if they can't support 70mm or IMAX.

      I've been in some of the newer theaters around Denver. Doing one thing to address the movie experience is NOT a lot -- it is ONE thing.

      The movie theater experience SUCKS compared to home theater. I literally had a kid snoring next to me when I saw The Jungle Book. WTF.

      Lastly, there are no fucking 20 minutes of ads at home -- we can skip them on BluRay, or don't even see them in the first place with NetFlix.

      Hollywood = CLUELESS about the user experience.

    7. Re: Obvious Hollywood shill is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh ? Go to Alamo in denver. Like all Alamos you can have anyone immediately removed for snoring talking cell phone whatever.

      Not a bad spot to watch a movie if you want to get out of your house (which is nice to do sometimes)

    8. Re:Obvious Hollywood shill is obvious by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Sorry to hear that. Sounds like Denver is seriously behind the curve.

      Out of interest, am I the the only one who doesn't care that much about the trailers? It gives me a chance to find my seat, and maybe skip to the bathroom before the feature presentation, and occasionally (admittedly, only sometimes) I get to find out something is coming up I actually want to watch. Dunkirk for example was on during the Wonder Woman trailer, I'd not heard of it before that.

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    9. Re:Obvious Hollywood shill is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      paying to watch 30mins of fucking adverts is not my idea of fun.

      And it's just another fucking war film, not interested even if you hype it by putting a shitty cowel invented singer in it so the teeny girls want to see it, fucking hipster shit.

      I probably wouldn't even watch it even if you paid me

    10. Re:Obvious Hollywood shill is obvious by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      > Sorry to hear that. Sounds like Denver is seriously behind the curve.

      Well, the seats ARE getting better. I've noticed more theaters are becoming "short" depth but with extra wide, cushion, and leg rests even! So I'd given B for effort. The problem is all the other issues are still unresolved -- and never will be.

      > Out of interest, am I the the only one who doesn't care that much about the trailers?

      Probably. =P

      When there was only 1 or trailers I didn't mind it -- you knew the movie was starting SOON. It was a smart business move -- at the time: "Hmm, customers are here to watch a movie, maybe they will want to come back?"

      The two current problems are:

      * The trailers started getting longer, and longer. /sarcastic By the time the trailers are done, I'm done with my popcorn. /Oblg DVD vs Pirate
      * There is an inconsistent number of trailers. Sometimes 10 mins., sometimes 20 minutes. Stop fucking wasting my time. I'm here to see THIS movie -- not the next one.

      Since outright banning advertisements is not feasible at this time I believe a good compromise / solution would be:

      * STANDARDIZE the trailer time to _exactly_ 5 minutes.

      This builds hype, and doesn't bore the fuck out of potential customers.

    11. Re: Obvious Hollywood shill is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dis is in East Anglia, isn't it?

    12. Re:Obvious Hollywood shill is obvious by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      STANDARDIZE the trailer time to _exactly_ 5 minutes.

      I'd agree with. If they want to show more, they can always start before the movie does, not everyone arrives at exactly whatever time it's scheduled for...

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    13. Re:Obvious Hollywood shill is obvious by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      I don't have a problem with any number of trailers. I'm interested in upcoming movies. It's the non-movie adverts that annoy me.

      Sarcasm on the popcorn noted, but anyway, I have a hard a fast rule that I don't start on the popcorn till the movie has started!

    14. Re:Obvious Hollywood shill is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My objection isn't to the theater experience, but the audience experience. At home, I don't have to put up with rude jerks. Everything else is just gravy.

    15. Re:Obvious Hollywood shill is obvious by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      I forget what movie it was, but it started off with like a 20 hour god damned commecial about all its digital flickering mirrors state of the art bullshit, and the first scene of the movie was a slow flyover with a very fast pan, and I had to close my eyes the studder and framerate actually made me feel a little sick

    16. Re:Obvious Hollywood shill is obvious by dwywit · · Score: 1

      That's a good idea, but two minutes should be enough to generate interest. Five minutes of cut scenes will spoil the anticipation, because editors will put the biggest, baddest, most awsome action scenes in the trailer.

      Also, ads generate revenue for the cinema, ditto snack prices, otherwise your ticket price would be higher. Cinemas have to hand over most of the ticket revenue for the first two weeks of a run, and they won't make a profit otherwise. Perhaps cinemas could charge a premium for some ad-free sessions?

      At our local film society, we've started showing shorts from a nearby film school before the feature - I haven't heard any complaints about that (and our members are VERY vocal about such things - you should have heard the grumbling when the new president decided we should include ONE trailer of the upcoming feature - "a preview of our next attraction").

      I've suggested they show a Bugs Bunny cartoon before children's matinees, but I don't think it was favourably received.

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    17. Re:Obvious Hollywood shill is obvious by Fishchip · · Score: 1

      Funny, the only movie I've been to in about the past five years was Lego Batman, a film where you'd expect to have most of those annoyances you list. Only there weren't any of them. It's so weird, it almost makes me want to shell out money to go see another movie soon.

    18. Re:Obvious Hollywood shill is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I went to a cinema this weekend. Let me address your points from my recent experience.

      Dingy: not noticeably, the place was as clean as, say, an upmarket restaurant.
      Overpriced - we paid $35 for a family of 4.
      Cramped - well, by stretching my legs to their fullest, I could barely touch the ledge behind the seat in front of me. (The ledge. Not the actual seat, I couldn't reach that at all.) In terms of width, the seats were comparable with a modest armchair.
      Uncomfortable - not at all, see above.
      Smelly - not that I noticed.
      Struggle - to the extent that the kids played up, sure. Not that anyone else noticed.
      Poorly maintained projectors - again, not that I noticed. (In marked contrast with, say, ten years ago.) The focus was excellent, consistency across the screen was perfect.
      The sounds of cellphones and conversation - again, nope. Not a cellphone to be heard. There were some voices from time to time, but they were well muffled by the seats.
      "Stale $20 popcorn": a huge tub of fresh popcorn, too much for 4 people, cost us about one-third of that.

      All this in a major commercial centre in a major (>1 million pop) city.

      Seems to me that no matter what the theatres do, you'll still be sitting at home, because you'll be clinging to your decades-old grievances. And now you don't even want to hear that they've improved, because you need to believe you were smart in spending all that cash on a home theatre system.

    19. Re: Obvious Hollywood shill is obvious by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Dis is in East Anglia, isn't it?

      No: Dis only goes down as far as the 9th level. Turns out there are more.

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    20. Re:Obvious Hollywood shill is obvious by Pascal+Sartoretti · · Score: 1

      Which would you rather have:

      1. A nice, relaxing watch on your own time, own schedule, with the people of your choosing, with affordable snacks and great seats 2. A dingy, overpriced, cramped, uncomfortable, smelly struggle to enjoy a film played on poorly maintained projectors in a theater rocking with the sounds of cellphones and conversation, while the usher stands idly by and fails to enforce any order, while you munch stale $20 popcorn.

      You missed the point of the article : for most movies, the theater experience is actually worse than what you can enjoy at home (for all the reasons you mentioned). However, sometimes there's a movie which deserves to be seen on a huuuuge screen, and Dunkirk seems to be in this category.

      And it will probably be my annual trip to the theater.

  5. So pompous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'll be sure to watch it on an airplane in-seat system out of spite.

    1. Re:So pompous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was reminded of Lindy's Film snobbery on location with Ivanhoe.
      Well, this gave me a chuckle at least, but at Nolan's expense.

  6. Too bad it had to be another war movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And there's not going to be a film renaissance, for the same reason there isn't going to be a vinyl renaissance. That's hipster territory.

  7. Theaters vs Netflix by cahuenga · · Score: 1

    Hey guess what? We can walk AND chew gum

    1. Re:Theaters vs Netflix by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      And we're all out of chewing gum. Time to kick... oh wait, you said walk. Never mind.

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    2. Re: Theaters vs Netflix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL. Walking doesn't sound as good in that quote.

  8. they're right and they're wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    In one way they are right: there are some movies which really are better to watch on a big scren. Even the 52" in my living room does not do them justice.

    So the watching experience could be better in the theater... but it's not! It's not because:

    * There are anymore 15 or 20 commercials and previews before the main film. This can take in excess of 30 minutes, sometimes 40. It has become ridiculous.

    * The audio is played so loud I need earplugs to avoid pain.

    You want me to attend showings in the theater? Fine. I would be inclined to do just that, if you didn't make the experience so bloody terrible. As it stands, you drove me back into my living room. You had choices to make. You made them in a way inconsistent with retaining me as a customer.

    If you ever revisit those choices, i will revisit my choice to avoid your theater.

    1. Re:they're right and they're wrong by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      So the watching experience could be better in the theater...

      The thing is - for me, anyway - convenience is king. While the theater (sans the drawbacks you spelled out) might indeed be better than watching at home, it doesn't matter because - my experience at home is good enough. Plus:

      - I have a wider choice of snacks and drinks available
      - I have more flexibility regarding start time
      - I can have friends over to watch, without increasing the cost
      - I have a pause button

      (not necessarily in that order)

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  9. What's so special about analog video? by foxx1337 · · Score: 1

    > From a report: "Dunkirk," director Christopher Nolan's big budget war epic, is a filmmaker's film and a movie buff's dream with its wide, high-resolution 70mm format."

    Why? No, really, what's so special about having 1/2 of the screen black?

    1. Re:What's so special about analog video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An easy visual showing aspect ratio differences.

      https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Comparison_of_film_aspect_ratios.png

    2. Re:What's so special about analog video? by skoskav · · Score: 1

      70 mm film allows for a perceived resolution of around 11520x4900 pixels with an IMAX projector. I'm guessing theaters want to sell more seats with the high resolution experience, and some are willing to pay for it.

      Personally I don't think that's what was missing from the theater experience.

    3. Re: What's so special about analog video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can that be perceived by people at a distance with normal eyesight? Can I get a discount if my vision isn't 20/20?

  10. He's right by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "The theaters have a 90-day window. It's a perfectly usable model. It's terrific."

    It's terrific indeed. Wait for the movie release in theaters, wait 90 days then stream at home without having to bother with the sub-par theatre quality of overpaying for the ticket, the snacks and drinks, the sticky floors, the crappy and probably dirty seats, having to endure idiots around you pushing on your seat, talking, using their damn phones with the brightness at maximum, watching a blurry image and enduring extreme audio loudness with so much bass that you don't even hear anything else.

    He's right when he says streaming is a perfectly usable model, all you have to do is wait 90 days!

    tl;dr Hollywood does not control the theater experience and it's expensive. When we watch at home we control our viewing experience and the price is low.

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    1. Re:He's right by thegarbz · · Score: 0

      without having to bother with the sub-par theatre quality of overpaying for the ticket, the snacks and drinks, the sticky floors, the crappy and probably dirty seats, having to endure idiots around you pushing on your seat, talking, using their damn phones with the brightness at maximum, watching a blurry image and enduring extreme audio loudness with so much bass that you don't even hear anything else.

      Or you could go to a cinema in a 1st world country instead of whatever shithole you seem to be living in.

    2. Re:He's right by budcub · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem with other theater goers ruining my experience? I haven't had a problem with rowdy or disruptive audiences since I stopped going to ghetto theaters.

    3. Re:He's right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem with other theater goers ruining my experience? I haven't had a problem with rowdy or disruptive audiences since I stopped going to ghetto theaters.

      youre probably just one of the cunts ruining it for everyone else without having the IQ to realise

    4. Re:He's right by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 2

      Those whiners are time-travellers from the 80's.

  11. Holy hype machine, Batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The hype and BS is strong in this one. Of course they say it is the bestest movie ever. The bestest! Of course they say it *just has* to be watched on the big screen and you *just have* to suffer though the theater experience to see it. Of course that will change the instant it is released on disk or streaming services.

  12. can you get dolby atmos or dts-x on 70MM or is it by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    can you get dolby atmos or dts-x on 70MM or is it still DTS 5.1 only with 70MM?

  13. 1st world problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First world problems: it has to be made and you really HAVE to see this in the most luxurious way possible, because of the art of, well, watching people kill each other violently, which cannot be appreciated otherwise. The people who died there must have been delighted had they known in advance that much later their deaths were to be used in decadent discussions by decadent movie makers, who attach silly "personal interest" substories, all with the goal of just making a lot of money.

  14. Long IMAX (flim) movies have no ad's by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Long IMAX (flim) movies have no ad's

  15. Not the things I want to add by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    Perhaps 70mm film is a bit like 3D: it only adds something when it's done right,

    The only thing 3D adds is a few dollars to the ticket price and a migraine after an hour of watching it. All I can see film adding is the occasional speck of dust or scratch to the picture. If that's so important I'm sure there is some digital algorithm which can add similar imperfections. This sort of thing strikes me as nothing more than audiophiles becoming videophiles.

    1. Re:Not the things I want to add by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      The best 3D movie I've ever seen wasn't even shot in 3D, it was postprocessed to add it afterwards: Titanic.

      Go figure.

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    2. Re:Not the things I want to add by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Harry potter, man. Don't ask me which one, there was some fire monster at the end that's all I remember. But what I didn't realize was how much they used 3D in that movie. By the end I realized that they really pulled off 3D in an awesome way. I wouldn't buy a 3D TV afterwards, but if another movie used 3D in that manner I would go to the theaters.

      Transformers in 3D actually helped distinguish what was going on vs 2D.

      So yea sometimes it works, but usually it doesn't. and THAT is why 3D is dead.

    3. Re:Not the things I want to add by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Also, 3D only really works in cinemas. Distance to the screen is what counts, not the (relative) size of the screen. The 3D in Avatar and Sanctum was amazing in the cinema, but even on a large scale TV it's hardly worth getting the glasses out for.

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    4. Re:Not the things I want to add by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      For me it was the milla jovavich steam punk Three Musketeers. The first film I ever saw use 3d right.

      And it was a fun romp too. i wish it had been popular enough to get the second one.

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  16. wtf is epic 65mm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    morons.

    1. Re:wtf is epic 65mm? by skoskav · · Score: 1

      It's a word kids and young adults think is a synonym for "great" or "extraordinary," diluting the impact of its original meaning.

      The professional author used the word correctly in the quote, referring to a war epic (i.e. a series of events involving heroism, tragedy and history), as opposed to the hack fraud Slashdot story submitter.

    2. Re:wtf is epic 65mm? by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      Don't get me started on how no one can use the word "literally" correctly anymore. In fact they had to change the definition so now it adds emphasis.

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  17. Re: Bullshit you pretenious asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Stop saying, "no one", "we", and "us".

    You don't speak for anyone but yourself, especially because you are a fucking imbecile.

  18. Tough choices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If my choices are to go to a noisy theatre playing a movie on someone else's schedule and pay over $20 to sit in uncomfortable seats while the speakers try to ruin my hearing, vs watching the movie whenever I want in the quiet comfort of my own home for a fraction of the cost where I can pause the movie and control the colume, I think the choice is pretty clear.

    Nolan is a great director, but a movie would have to be revolutionary to get me into the cinema.

  19. I don't think so by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    Things disappear when those who support them die. That is what will happen to film, within two decades or so. As for Nolan, I enjoyed Interstellar enormously, but I am going to miss Dunkirk - not only am I a bit fed up with pretentious war movies but, in addition, I do not want to contribute to supporting this pompous ass and his old-fashioned ways.

    1. Re:I don't think so by Powercntrl · · Score: 1

      As for Nolan, I enjoyed Interstellar enormously

      The movie where humanity loses the ability to genetically engineer crops, but something, something wormhole something, incomprehensible acid trip time-travel plot. It's just yet another one of those movies where it's supposed to be "deep" because the writer(s) didn't bother to come up with a plausible technobabble explanation for the shit you just watched.

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  20. Nope... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anti consumer thinking of the old generation unwilling to adapt to newer technology as usual.

  21. Re: Bullshit you pretenious asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Look at the genius here who knows everything about movie production.

    Did you know that the average quality of photography dropped significantly with digital imagers? Do you know why? Did you know that a similar thing happens shooting movies with digital? Yes, when you embrace the art as the director, you lead your team to embrace the art. It does make a difference. Oh, and you clearly haven't seen the digital filter artifacts, have you. They're different, not better or worse.

  22. Spoiler Alert by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    The Germans lose the war.

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    1. Re: Spoiler Alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Japan would have won. If not for the A bomb.

    2. Re: Spoiler Alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not in Dunkirk, just in the sequels.

  23. Dead medium. by ckatko · · Score: 4, Interesting

    1 - Home theaters cost less and less every day. 4K resolutions dwarf many local theaters, and you can bring any food you want, with any friends you want.

    2 - Film vs digital has nothing to do with home vs theater.

    3 - Netflix and YouTube allows independent content you'd never see in a theater. Google 4K drone, or 4K outdoors (you can even get 6 and 8K already IIRC on YouTube.) At an age when Hollywood produces the same shit every year, theaters are already a boring medium.

    4 - DVD, BluRay, and Netflix prove that people don't care about the "benefits" touted in this article. People's recreational spending habits don't lie. People just want to relax with their familes and friends... not have to stand in line to watch, and stand in line to piss, and pay $8 for a fuckin soda.

    1. Re:Dead medium. by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      2 - Film vs digital has nothing to do with home vs theater.

      Right. I don't get all this "but it's 70mm film!" stuff. Sure, if you want it to look a certain way... but then you're only doing so because of a certain convention that's become ingrained in us that if something is marred in a certain way with a certain kind of noise that it's somehow more "cinematic."

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    2. Re:Dead medium. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      4K resolutions dwarf many local theaters

      Yep because a high resolution with zero benefit from across the room is totally the same as the recommendation to go see it in IMAX format. Exactly the same thing. Yesssirreee.

    3. Re:Dead medium. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pretty much, the same, you think your eyes can see the 70mm res, lol, I have a bridge to sell you..

    4. Re:Dead medium. by dwywit · · Score: 1

      You know what you'll see if you stand next to a screen observing a film being projected? Grain. Sometimes more, sometimes less, depending on what the film-makers have decided, but limited by the state of the technology.

      You know what you'll see if you stand next to a screen observing a digital file being projected? Pixels. Sometimes more, sometimes less, depending on what the film-makers have decided, but limited by the state of the technology.

      The "cinematic experience" means different things to different people, but one popularly-accepted view (by no means the only one) is that the storytelling experience requires a boundary between the audience and the story-teller (i.e. the screen and speakers). When that boundary starts to become indistinct - via 3D, higher frame rates, surround-sound, etc, in other words a more immersive experience, then the storytelling experience is weakened and becomes less satisfactory to the audience. YMMV.

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  24. rather have screen shot of someone not exploding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fear/mayhem/violence addiction MANufactured as well,, sheesh i mean phewww,, cease fire stand down in all formats in all venues.. that's the spirit.. thanks again

  25. ...and vinyl records by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and black-and-white and soundless (think of the job opportunities the need for live music during the showing will bring!). We certainly should also install gas-lights and the cost savings for ripping out the A/C will be enormous (and green)!

  26. Movie maker's theater versus public theaters by Elfich47 · · Score: 1

    I am guessing that movie makers don't get out to the public theaters that often and may not realize what the entire "movie going" experience is like these days: 30 minutes of adds, the garbage food that was there 30 years ago (and sometime in the same bag), overblown sound system, Sometimes swept out, in new theaters the seating is good (but not always), people in the theater who don't understand basic etiquette.

    Maybe have the movie makers watch a couple of films in public theaters each year so they remember why there is conflict on this subject.

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    1. Re:Movie maker's theater versus public theaters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of the arguments here are trying to use technology to solve a people problem. The problem is that society has degenerated to the point where too few people have actual proper behavior in public anymore, and of course if you point this out you're racist/sexist/whatever-ist against whatever the person in question happens to call him or herself, assuming you don't get in trouble for assuming that too. If not that, then you get the "don't tell my kids how to behave!" kind of parent who never tells their untrained offspring to sit down and shut the hell up. However it plays out, pointing out other peoples' rude behavior is somehow YOUR fault.

      Not all theaters suck. Some are amazing. The amazing ones, somehow, do not include or at least do not tolerate the sort of people who just exist to piss everyone around them off.

    2. Re:Movie maker's theater versus public theaters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "whatever the person in question happens to call him or herself"

      Please don't pigeon-hole me.

  27. Re:Bullshit you pretenious asshole by Jack9 · · Score: 0

    I wish I had +1 for you sir.

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  28. Winners don't make such arguments by Kohath · · Score: 1

    If Hollywood wasn't losing badly, you wouldn't see articles like this. Hollywood will still be around, but they're transitioning into being a minor player.

  29. looks like another crappy movie, so no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.independent.co.uk/a...

    So another whitewashed US/brit-centric movie pretending to be historically accurate. I wonder if it is as bad as that stupid American Sniper movie.

    These movies are garbage recorded on high def film, and are still not worth my time.

  30. The problem is not the movies by Nocturrne · · Score: 1

    The problem is the movie theaters. Nobody wants to go pay for over priced tickets and eye-gouging food and drink prices, just to sit in a snot covered seat with a bunch of annoying mouth breathers. If you are lucky, you might not get stabbed in the parking lot on your way home or attacked by a mass murderer spraying bullets in random directions.

    1. Re:The problem is not the movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not all theaters are created equal in terms of price. Proof that movie theaters don't "have to" charge a small fortune for tickets or concessions.

  31. The medium isn't always the message by mr.dreadful · · Score: 1

    The theater going experience sucks and it doesn't appear to be changing in the audience's favor anytime soon. I appreciate that Nolan made a beautiful film, but I'm still not going. Lamenting about "the true movie-going experience" is forgetting that the ideal Nolan strives for was a blip in history to start with. Storytelling is a constantly changing beast with no "right" way of doing it. I don't go to see "films." I go to be told a story. The medium is only part of that experience.

  32. Hollywood = Idiots. Home = Bathroom & Food by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I like to watch movies on my home theatre setup because I can

    * Pause the movie
    * Go to the bathroom
    * Raid the fridge for snacks instead of over-paying for snacks
    * Turn on/off CC
    * Adjust the volume to MY liking
    * Don't have to listen to any idiots beside me constantly talking / snoring throughout the entire movie.

    Hollywood is completely out of touch with reality these days.

    i.e. How many fucking re-cashgrabs of Robin Hood do we need? Eleven?!?!?!

    1. Re:Hollywood = Idiots. Home = Bathroom & Food by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      * Pause the movie
      * Go to the bathroom

      As I get older, the importance of these two items becomes more apparent to me. And, when my daughter was younger, I would've added

      * Be able to rewind the movie

      * Don't have to listen to any idiots beside me constantly talking / snoring throughout the entire movie.

      You've obviously never watched a movie with my wife...

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  33. Well that's fine for him by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    Nolan's Cinematic Vision in 'Dunkirk' is Hollywood's Best Defense Against Netflix

    Just because he wants this particular film viewed in a certain way, doesn't mean there's something wrong about Netflix.

    Netflix can just as easily argue that Stranger Things is best viewed on a nice, fairly big TV in your living room.

    There's nothing fundamentally, objectively, "better" about going to a cinema and watching something projected through real film.

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  34. IMAX Theaters? by PPH · · Score: 1

    There's one that I know of about 15 miles from me. Everything else has gone digital. Or shut down.

    I didn't mind the theater release first model. In fact, reviews of movies that have bombed on the big screen have saved me from putting them in my Netflix queue. On the other hand, delay the official streaming release for more than a few weeks and the studio might as well hand a copy to the torrent sites.

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  35. The cost of making a movie by MikeMo · · Score: 1

    None of the comments I've seen so far address the cost of making big movies (almost any movie these days) and the mechanism for recuperating those costs. The only model that supports those budgets, so far, is going to the theater. I see someone posted that they'd be happy paying the same amount as a movie ticket to stream it in HD at home, and that sounds like it would work, but that's not Netflix's current model.

    Releasing it same day into the $9/month subscription crowd won't pay the bills. If that becomes the dominant model, it is clear that movie budgets will have to go down, and the quality of those movies will have to suffer, which is clearly the start of a death spiral.

    1. Re:The cost of making a movie by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Are you kidding?

      Hollywood wastes money remaking Hitchcock (obviously worse than the original). Wouldn't know a new story if it bit them on the ass (would just wonder if ass biting was an 'included service', try and remember to ask the staff 'pussy coordinator').

      For any chance of a good movie these days, look to the indys. Otherwise it's Disney to the horizon. Movies are just game cutscenes, with titles.

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    2. Re:The cost of making a movie by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      If that becomes the dominant model, it is clear that movie budgets will have to go down, and the quality of those movies will have to suffer, which is clearly the start of a death spiral.

      I don't grant your premise. In fact, I'm going to claim it's just the opposite. The bigger the budget, the worse the movie. If you look back at the history of film (and incidentally, pretty much every other art form bar architecture), the best work gets done on the tiniest budgets. Having a smaller budget tends to concentrate the attention of the artist. An artist with an enormous budget can pretty much do whatever, and so that's just what happens, whereas an artist with limited resources thinks hard before investing those resources.

      If you look at what films have been praised most by critics, a great many of them were very cheap to make. Hell, even modern mass market hits started out on a shoestring. Watch the Making Of Terminator clips, for instance. That movie was made on such a tiny budget that James Cameron collected additional footage after principal photography was nominally over by sneaking around town with a camera and Arnold Schwarzenegger. Meanwhile the modern summer blockbuster has become such a crapfest that the plot is completely incoherent. Between too many cooks, plus the studio meddling (Means tested, corporate approved!), they can't write their way out of a paper bag.

      Excess money kills great art.

  36. It's not millenials by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

    Noisy assholes who disturb the theater have been around since the invention of theater. If you want to blame anyone for making it worse, blame the inventors of the cell phone and the cell phone screen backlight.

  37. it's just movies by mapkinase · · Score: 1

    entertainment. Mr. Nolan is a little bit full of himself.

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  38. Film is just what we're used to by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    It's full of quirks like lense flares and red lines that we associate with movies because we grew up with them and expect them. If the next gen grows up without those quirks they'll find them strange and off-putting. Film's only an advantage for old folks.

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    1. Re:Film is just what we're used to by dwywit · · Score: 1

      Tell me, how do you make a movie (film or digital), without lenses?

      Hint, it's in the name - "lens flare". It's got nothing to do with the capture medium, and everything to do with the Director's aesthetics (or the DoP).

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  39. I'll take a resurgence of 70mm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Over the all 3D shit that James Cameron's Avatar is responsible for.

  40. Non-Linear Storytelling and boring characters... by WimBo · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's really sad because if this movie flops with audiences, some will claim that it's because it wasn't seen on the right format, when the real problem is that it's just a weak movie.

    I saw this on a standard screen in Seattle, but one I'd normally consider as good as digital gets. I know my history, so the overall story is not new to me.

    The movie itself is dry with very little character development. It's all about sweeping shots, but you don't care about any of the boys being killed on the beach.

    It's constantly switching between day and night, with virtually no continuity, so you can't tell if the fighter scenes are during the first day or the last day.

  41. Re:Ok cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Given the constant rise of right-wing extremism, neo-nazism, holocaust-denialism, and other forms of attempted history rewriting, I'd say we haven't seen nearly enough.

  42. Re:can you get dolby atmos or dts-x on 70MM or is by dknj · · Score: 1

    What would an audio format have anything to do with a video format? You can't capture audio on film, bruh

    -dk

  43. Master (2012), Samsara ('11), Hamlet ('96) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See also The Master (2012), Samsara (2011), Hamlet (1996):

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_70_mm_films

    Nolan used IMAX with The Dark Knight (2008), though not for every scene, and there have been other movies that have "unconverted" to IMAX starting in 2002:

    [Dark Night was] First mainstream feature to be partially shot with IMAX cameras, with 28 minutes of footage. First DMR film to surpass 150 minutes.***

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IMAX_DMR_films

  44. Analog film nostalgia != actual quality by ffkom · · Score: 2

    Every 65mm or 70mm analog film I have ever seen was in terms of resolution and signal/noise ratio _way_ below the quality of modern digital cameras, even below the decade old "3.4k" Arri cameras.

    I wonder what others pretend to have seen, but movies like "The hateful eight", if anything, proved that analog film is outdated and bad. The whole indoor lighting they had to apply in "the hateful eight" to make the analog film catch a usable picture was terrible, it looked completely unrealistic (I mean seriously: A dark hut in a snow-storm, and magically bright lights shine from the ceiling all the time... WTF?!?)

    I do not know whether "Dunkirk" is a movie worth watching, but I am absolutely sure if it is, it is certainly not because of image quality. And sure as hell it will hardly stretch the limits of a Bluray disc in terms of quality - certainly no reason to buy an UHD Bluray of it.

  45. Re: Bullshit you pretenious asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's especially better when you spend $59,999 on Monster(tm) brand Dust Filters to cleanse the air prior to the showing, because the microscopic motes cause serious issues for true movie connoisseurs.

  46. Safe injection sites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SF is looking into safe injection sites for addicts. Maybe they can get together with the theater owners for mutual benefit?

  47. Movie Theaters are a Relic by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Movie theaters are an antiquated, expensive relic of the past that are beyond sub optimal for watching movies today. Anyone who says otherwise is a shill for the movie industry. The movie theater used to be the only way to watch moving pictures, but then came TV, but TV sets were small for decades (20" was standard, 32" was a major luxury and the aspect ratio was wrong for watching movies). This is no longer the case. Then sound systems (Dolby Surround, DTS) were better in theaters, but that too faded. "But you can watch with your friends; its an experience." they argue. However, my living room couches seat 5 with fold down arm rests and reclining seats.

    So in summary, the benefits of movie theaters used to be:

    1. Bigger screen (Now my 65" 4k $900 flat screen from 10' away is a much better and immersive viewing experience).
    2. Better sound (My 7.1 system sounds just as good, with added benefit that I can avoid ruptured eardrums and hearing damage).
    3. More immersive (at home I don't have to put up with all the jackholes texting and receiving phone calls or just talking to the person next to them in the middle of the movie, plus I can pause the movie to use the bathroom).
    4. Cost (This was never better with the theater, but clearly even worse these days. Taking the family to the theater sets me back $70 just for the tickets for a family of 4, then add drinks, candy and popcorn and you are over $150, or my entire home theater cost me about $1600 once and I can buy the UHD multi-format for $30. That pays for it'self in less than 20 movies)...

    Every single reason to go to the movie theater is gone, except for their exclusivity window prior to disc release. As far as I can tell, the only reason that movie theaters exist is people with poor self control that can't wait for the Bluray release and teenagers who want a place away from their parents to make out. If you take away the first category and the theaters close, the teens will just go back to parking at make-out point...

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    1. Re:Movie Theaters are a Relic by dwywit · · Score: 2

      OK. I run the projection system for a local film society. It has a 2K projector, a 6.1 sound system, and it's done in a renovated community hall, so less than optimum audio, it's uncomfortably warm in summer, and needs heaters in winter. We show a film every 2 weeks on a Saturday night, and sometimes a children's matinee.

      Features and shorts are chosen by a committee of movie-lovers, but it's generally "world cinema", sometimes straying into Hollywood territory. IME 7 out 10 films shown are good entertainment. If it doesn't grab me in the first 10 minutes, I retreat to the projection box and read a book. I get paid whether I like it or not.

      It's a social event - not only is it a movie night with a chance to watch something generally more thoughtful than what comes out of Hollywood, but there's a cash bar, and three local restaurants are on roster to provide pre-dinner meals, there's a tea and coffee stand, with home-baked snacks - slices, cake, etc.

      People come for a night out, dinner, drinks, chat with friends, and to watch something that ISN'T (usually) hollywood/mainstream. Tickets are AUD$8 members, AUD$13 non-members, meals are about AUD$16 mains, AUD$8 dessert, drinks aren't the cheapest, but all the volunteers (and me) get a free meal and 2x free drinks.

      Hall capacity is 220 seats, and it's rare to not have a full house. Late-comers are often told "sorry, we're full".

      I wouldn't call myself a shill for the movie industry. What I get paid doesn't cover the time, effort, and skills that I apply to the job.

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    2. Re:Movie Theaters are a Relic by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      And what you have going on is a pretty cool community event, and I wouldn't knock it. However, what you are describing is not really the movie theater business, it is a community get together that also happens to involve watching a movie. 99.9% of movie theaters are owned/run by mega corps that want to push the masses into/out of the theater as fast as possible and don't really care that much beyond making money and avoiding public scandal or negative online reviews.

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    3. Re:Movie Theaters are a Relic by dwywit · · Score: 1

      Yep, pretty far away from the movie theater business, and we'll keep it that way. There's suggestions from time to time of funding a dedicated cinema, but no-one wants to lose the "dinner and a show" vibe. Maybe we should send a delegation to the Alamo Drafthouse on a fact-finding mission. :-)

      Just pointing out that alternatives to the mainstream exist, and it's possible to make a profit by running a cinema, you just can't do it while you're stuck on the Hollywood bandwagon.

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    4. Re:Movie Theaters are a Relic by Pascal+Sartoretti · · Score: 1

      Taking the family to the theater sets me back $70 just for the tickets for a family of 4, then add drinks, candy and popcorn and you are over $150

      Do you take your family to watch a movie or to eat junk food ? You seem to spend more on the latter...

    5. Re:Movie Theaters are a Relic by unityofsaints · · Score: 1

      Whereabout is this? It wouldn't be in Sydney by any chance, would it?

    6. Re:Movie Theaters are a Relic by dwywit · · Score: 1

      Nope.

      http://malenyfilmsociety.info/

      Queensland, Sunshine Coast Hinterland.

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    7. Re:Movie Theaters are a Relic by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      $9 per soda, $4 for milk duds and $10 for a medium popcorn adds up fast. The last time I took the family, they wanted the full movie experience, just like they get at home (we usually make popcorn and have a soda on movie night). That was pretty close to the total damage. I spend about $10 on the same movie food at home (4x cold soda $2.50 for a 2L bottle, 1 large batch of popcorn with lots of butter and salt $2, some candy; skittles, M&Ms, milk duds, junior mints $2).

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  48. Score:-5, Pwned... twice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
  49. Would a millennial 'Nolan' get a hollywood break ? by sjwest · · Score: 1

    I think Nolan does make good films but i wonder if Memento his first mainstream film would get a cinema distribution deal if he was starting now.

    Nolan might not make standard Hollywood films but they are very different in idea to your average cinema goer these days gets.

  50. Movie producers: blame yourselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It costs $15.95 to see an Imax movie in my city.

    That x 4 for the family, after tax and convenience fees, is over $70.

    That's over 7 months of Netflix. I also don't have to deal with the ex-con-looking individuals next to me deciding to talk during the whole movie.

    If they didn't charge so much for movies, more people would go. I remember back in the late 90s when movies were $4.75 for an evening showing, and $2.75 for a matinee. That's $4 and $7 in 2017 dollars.

  51. Re:Bullshit you pretenious asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    HOLY FUCK! another EPIC PWN!

  52. The killer app may not have been tried by rbrander · · Score: 1

    Bill Bryson, NOT a big lover of gadgetry or cinema, brings pretty much an "average guy" sensibility to his travel writing, gushed for two pages after seeing a demo-show of what 70mm looked like at high frame rates.

    HFR was recently tried a few times, but only in conjunction with 3D, which was likely a big negative to it. The killer app may be the combination of 70mm and 48fps. (And some say, 60 fps...)

  53. Alamo, or I don't go. by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

    With few exceptions, the movie theater is just too sub-par to be worth going. Dunkirk may very well be one of those exceptions. But the fact is, that unless the movie involves Jedi Knights, the USS Enterprise, or Kaiju, home TVs and sound systems are fine for the vast majority of films. Nolan claim otherwise reeks of stuck-up pretentiousness.

    And it's mostly the theater chains' faults. The ticket price is ever-increasing with no corresponding improvement in value. $20 for a soda and bag of semi-stale popcorn is just absurd. They don't keep the theaters clean. And they do nothing about asses who talk during the movie, use their cellphones, get up and wander around in front of you, or bring their shrieking babies.

    The exception, of course, is the Alamo Drafthouse. Ever since they opened up a theater here, I've seen more movies in the theater than I had in, I'd guess, nearly a decade before. They actually make it worth it by providing a much nicer theater, good food & drinks (ZOMG, their boozy milkshakes are the bomb.), expelling the talkers and cell-phone crowd, and disallowing the shrieking babies in the first place. It's definitely now: Alamo, or I don't go.

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    1. Re:Alamo, or I don't go. by ma1wrbu5tr · · Score: 1

      Agree. I won't pay for a theater ticket unless there is a Kirk, Spock, Janeway (I can hope, right?), or Picard. The most recent installment of the "Jedi" part was so disappointing that I will wait for the Blu-Ray and watch from my comfy couch.

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  54. So how do the americans swoop in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to save the day in this one?

    1. Re:So how do the americans swoop in by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Lend-lease. That's in Part 2.

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  55. Remove the ads and we'll talk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get back to me when I'm not sitting through literally half an hour of ads before the movie starts. Or when a ticket is under $10, or when the food is affordable.

    The entire movie experience is shit. I have better things to do.

  56. Distance by ma1wrbu5tr · · Score: 1

    It is more than 100 miles to the nearest IMAX for me. Thanks, but I'll just wait for it to come out on Blu-Ray. This Luddite garbage coming from Hollywood is laughable at best. They LOVE them some technology until they don't.

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  57. Other people by Andy+Smith · · Score: 1

    If cinemas would do something about other people talking during movies then we'd go again. But they won't, so now we never go. The last 3 or 4 films we saw, we had to walk out partway through and get a refund. So we just don't bother anymore.

  58. Ditto. by antdude · · Score: 1

    I prefer watching at my own pace. I have health issues. I can't sit and watch the whole thing in one sitting. I have to take (time out/break)s to stretch, move, (pe/urinat)e, etc. Also, I like to be in the control!

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  59. Blaming the wrong party by Solandri · · Score: 1

    "They have this mindless policy of everything having to be simultaneously streamed and released, which is obviously an untenable model for theatrical presentation.

    If people really wanted to see movies in theaters, theaters would have no problem competing when movies are released simultaneously on streaming and in theaters. If this is an untenable model for theaters, and the only way they can survive is by prohibiting competition for 90 days, then he's admitting that theaters are obsolete and should be allowed to wither and die. The problem is the theaters, not Netflix.

    Anyhow, I stream Netflix to my projector which throws the image onto a 150" screen. It's a 1080p projector right now, but as soon as 4k projector prices come down it's being upgraded. Sound is a mid-high end 7.1 speaker system played through a Yamaha DTS receiver whose sound field I've calibrated with the included microphone placed in the middle of the seating area. I play the chariot race scene from Ben Hur on it as a demo (very few people alive who got to see that in theaters), and people are just blown away by the visuals and sound. And the lack of screaming kids and annoying hecklers and sticky floors.

  60. Re:can you get dolby atmos or dts-x on 70MM or is by mikael · · Score: 1

    Audio for movies is actually stored as barcode type data on each frame of the film. This saved the hassle factor of having to synchronize two reels of film and audio - it was enough grief and aggro trying to synchronize two separate reels of the same movie. The size of the film frame dictates the size of the amount of audio information that can be stored. They actually use a laser and CCD sensor to read the audio tracks.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  61. It's all angsty crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every decade of movies has a characteristic style. For this decade it's pathetic overly dramatic angsty people. It's non-stop intense drama that all doesn't amount to anything if you take a second to catch your breath. It's overly emotional acting that makes soap operas look emotionless by comparison.

    Everything is so cynical and negative. Instead of Star Trek, we get aliens are out to destroy the Earth and all we have to defend ourselves is incompetent dysfunctional fools who can't put their personal drama aside long enough to save the world.

    Compare the recent ghostbusters fiasco to the original, all you can do is cry for the death of hollywood's ability to make a decent movie. Same for the recent day the earth stood still, planet of the apes, and everything else.

    This is slashdot...anyone actually interested in watching the new matrix non-reboot when it comes out? I'm sure not.

  62. Re: Bullshit you pretenious asshole by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    Film is expensive. With digital, you never stop shooting. Of course the average quality will drop, you'll throw away a much higher %.

    Plus everybody has a point and shoot on their phone. 99% of photographs are taken with a tiny lens, everything on auto. It's amazing they're as good as they are.

    But compare to a kodak 110 instant, not a 10k$ medium format, to be fair to the 70s. Things are better at the low end.

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  63. We are one generation away from theaters going out by the-matt-mobile · · Score: 1

    We are just one generation away from theaters going out of business, and it canâ(TM)t come soon enough. I just saw Spider-Man Homecoming in a theater a week after it came out because I could not longer avoid enough spoilers to enjoy the movie if I waited any longer. Every other part of the experience other than the release date was sub-par to just waiting and watching it at home. The food, the ticket price, the seats, the crowds, the volume (loud != immersive), and the inability to pause and hit the restroom when my kid had to go make theaters a worse experience in every sense. At the beginning of Homecoming, Tom Holland did a little intro thanking the audience for watching the movie in the theater and I couldnâ(TM)t help but feel sorry for him for missing the boat, like the rest of Hollywood. Sorry Chris Nolan, youâ(TM)re movies are good but I canâ(TM)t agree with you on the theater being better in any way your audiences care about.

  64. Re: Bullshit you pretenious asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    If you're resorting to grammar and spelling attacks, it's quite clear you had nothing to offer in opposition to the message itself. Your reading comprehension is good, right? Try using it.

    The more observant among us (which obviously excludes you) would make sure not to make an ass of themselves before calling someone else an asshole.

  65. Too bad he's getting a number of negative reviews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It really takes something special to get me into a theater these days, since nearly every movie theater in the NYC region exposes you to a good chance of bringing bedbugs home with you. When the little critters reach Broadway I'm home viewing for good.

  66. Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are already enough WWII movies. Thanks, but I'll skip it.

  67. Re:Bullshit you pretenious asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's bitztream-the autism-hating, custom EpiPen-hating, Musk-hating, Qualcomm-hating Slashdot troll!

  68. Try harder for my money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would have seen it locally if it had a non-digital screening in my city. We even have a small (Lie)MAX screen here, and they've shown some 70mm footage before, but no joy with this movie. That means the best presentation available to me is once again the 4K projector at the Warren Theater. Keep in mind: 4K is basically 35mm. In fact it's not quite as good as 35mm. That means my 4K theater isn't some kind of revelation; it just happens to be better than paying 15 bucks to watch something in literally bluray quality.

    You want me to spend money on a movie just because it looks pretty? Make the theaters pony up.

  69. Try respecting your customers by SoftwareArtist · · Score: 1

    "We think movies are best seen in theaters, but unfortunately some viewers disagree. That's why we need an exclusive period to compel them to go to the theater anyway. We can't take the risk that some ignorant customers will choose to watch it the way they prefer instead of the way we want them to."

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  70. Re: Ok cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, but with the possible exception of that latest movie by Mel Gibson ( full of Australian actors pretending to be American ) there hasn't been any decent WW2 movies that weren't full of BS Hollywood propoganda. Fury was shit....Saving Private Ryan was shit, Pearl Harbour was shit...etc etc.

    I fucking hope Dunkirk doesn't have Americans in it.......

    Well, the real Dunkirk (26 May – 4 June 1940) did not have Americans in it since the US had yet to enter the war (7 December 1941) unless there just happened to be a band of American tourists that got lost. :-)

  71. Re:Non-Linear Storytelling and boring characters.. by Evtim · · Score: 1

    I was hoping that the part of the story dedicated to the common sailors helping by will be about Lightoller with his family boat saving 130 soldiers under the endless attacks from above. " Don't worry" - one of the soldiers remarks - " the skipper of this boat survived Titanic, he can pull this one out".

    In some way I agree with the director - he is a man that does not go for gimmicks [3D]. The Dark Knight for instance was real pleasure to watch on IMAX.

    However, as so many /.-ers remarked the whole cinema experience is spoiled. After Episode 7 I banned cinema from my life.....expensive, 30 minutes ads, unbearably loud sound and rampant Facebook addicts....

  72. Dunkirk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just got back from seeing it. It is epic, tense...and has a certain quality that I haven't seen in a long time. Go see it.

  73. Re: Ok cool by Rakarra · · Score: 1

    Yeah, but with the possible exception of that latest movie by Mel Gibson ( full of Australian actors pretending to be American ) there hasn't been any decent WW2 movies that weren't full of BS Hollywood propoganda. Fury was shit....Saving Private Ryan was shit, Pearl Harbour was shit...etc etc.

    I fucking hope Dunkirk doesn't have Americans in it.......

    Yeah, yeah, I get it. You hate Americans. Be honest about it.

  74. So - is it 65mm or 70mm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Msmash says it's 65mm, but the director is quoted as saying it was shot on 70mm.

    I'd be tempted to believe the director rather than some stupid slashdot submitter.

    Besides, I've never heard of 65mm film.

    1. Re:So - is it 65mm or 70mm? by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Msmash says it's 65mm, but the director is quoted as saying it was shot on 70mm.

      I'd be tempted to believe the director rather than some stupid slashdot submitter.

      Besides, I've never heard of 65mm film.

      They were both technically correct. It was *shown* on 70mm. 65mm was used for the movie. The remaining 5mm was used for commercials & previews.

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  75. He's been grinding this axe a lot lately. by Maritz · · Score: 1

    "Man wants everybody to do the same as him because it helps his bottom line" - not quite as good a headline is it? Contains 100% more truthiness, though.

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    1. Re:He's been grinding this axe a lot lately. by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      "Man wants everybody to do the same as him because it helps his bottom line" - not quite as good a headline is it? Contains 100% more truthiness, though.

      Ha! Could be. Perhaps he's not that deluded though.

      When Mel Brooks did Young Frankenstein in B&W, it was quite successful. Sometimes the medium helps the message. Anyways, I don't think he expected a wave of B&W's to follow.

      So while Nolan has his preference, reality and technology and what people are willing to pay will continue to move along.
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    2. Re:He's been grinding this axe a lot lately. by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Heheh. Perhaps so, maybe I'm a cynical bastard. But I think Nolan needs to acknowledge the possibility that some really bizarre people watch things on Netflix and still go to the Cinema. They must be out there. Weirdos.

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  76. Re:can you get dolby atmos or dts-x on 70MM or is by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

    Yes, you can capture audio on film. And for most of the history of film it's been the standard way of doing it. Most film without digital sound uses an analog optical soundtrack alongside the images. That eliminated the problems of early systems like Vitaphone that used records that were synchronized with the film; playback didn't always stay in sync, especially if the film was damaged and needed to be repaired.

    There are three different brands of digital sound on film, one of which (SDDS) is now discontinued. Dolby and SDDS store the audio data on the film itself; Dolby uses the area between the sprocket holes and SDDS uses the area outside the holes. Datasat (formerly known as DTS) uses a time code that is next to the analog sound track and stores the actual audio on separate CD-ROMs.

    70mm film (except for the short lived Fox Grandeur system) uses magnetic sound, not optical. The most common configuration is a 6 channel system with five main tracks and an LFE (bass) track, but there have been many variations over the years and Dolby noise reduction was added along the way. 70mm can also have a DTS time code and use the standard DTS system for film which is a 5 channel system; no separate LFE track is recorded though the low frequencies are separated out by the processor so they can be routed to the subwoofers in the theater.

    I have not seen any information anywhere about implementation of more advanced DTS formats for 70mm film. It would be technically feasible, but it would require distributing the audio in a form with more capacity than the CD-ROMs that are used for standard DTS. So far as I know, none of the digital Dolby formats has ever been used with 70mm film.

    IMAX never used on-film sound. The first version used a separate six channel magnetic film that was synchronized to the IMAX film. That was later replaced with a DTS digital soundtrack distributed on CD-ROMs, just like the version for 35mm and 70mm sound, and still later by a system using a hard drive with six uncompressed audio channels.

    The Wikipeda article on SDDS (the articles on the other digital sound formats also contain the same picture) has a picture that shows the location of all the possible sound tracks on film: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  77. so... by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

    Nolan is going to be the Metallica for the Legacy Studios?

  78. Re:We are one generation away from theaters going by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

    and we have been one generation away for over 50 years.