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Travelers' Electronics At US Airports To Get Enhanced Screening, TSA Says (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: Aviation security officials will begin enhanced screening measures of passengers' electronics at US airports, the Transportation Security Administration announced Wednesday. Travelers must remove electronics larger than a mobile phone from their carry-on bags and "place them in a bin with nothing on top or below, similar to how laptops have been screened for years. This simple step helps TSA officers obtain a clearer X-ray image," the TSA announced amid growing fears that electronic devices can pose as homemade bombs. The TSA was quick to point out that the revised security measures do not apply to passengers enrolled in the TSA Precheck program.

"Whether you're flying to, from, or within the United States, TSA is committed to raising the baseline for aviation security by strengthening the overall security of our commercial aviation network to keep flying as a safe option for everyone," TSA Acting Administrator Huban A. Gowadia said. "It is critical for TSA to constantly enhance and adjust security screening procedures to stay ahead of evolving threats and keep passengers safe. By separating personal electronic items such as laptops, tablets, e-readers and handheld game consoles for screening, TSA officers can more closely focus on resolving alarms and stopping terror threats."

151 comments

  1. electronics posing as bombs? by pem · · Score: 0

    ... amid growing fears that electronic devices can pose as homemade bombs.

    Is clock boy trying to fly, or what?

    1. Re: electronics posing as bombs? by Cryacin · · Score: 1, Redundant

      talk about creating your own market. This used to be classed as a racket. Now it's national security

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    2. Re: electronics posing as bombs? by ma1wrbu5tr · · Score: 2

      Why don't they just forgo all the niceties and security theater? Just hire proctologists to replace the TSA staff. Think of the early colon cancer detection rates.

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    3. Re:electronics posing as bombs? by Meski · · Score: 2

      Anthropomorphising. I'm fairly sure objects can't pose.

    4. Re: electronics posing as bombs? by davester666 · · Score: 1

      I hope they use a different fist to probe my electronics...

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    5. Re:electronics posing as bombs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is clock boy trying to fly, or what?

      Why not? I bring a DIY LED clock for holiday travelling - it is too ugly for pickpockets. Never had any problems in various European airports either.

      Shoes & belts are something you remove only if there is metal in them. Dress accordingly if you don't want to bother with that.

    6. Re:electronics posing as bombs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True. And, anyway, the thing to worry about would be bombs posing as electronics.

    7. Re: electronics posing as bombs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You are probably also white.

      Try that trick while being brown and see what happens.

    8. Re: electronics posing as bombs? by ma1wrbu5tr · · Score: 1

      Upside is, if you're an Apple device owner, your stuff is already shitty.

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  2. This isn't new at some airports. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This isn't new at some airports. Been going on for at least 8 months.

    1. Re:This isn't new at some airports. by psergiu · · Score: 1

      Compared to the standard security controls at most airports in the EU, the TSA is very permissive.

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    2. Re:This isn't new at some airports. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha bullshit... I'm in Europe a lot and airport security there is much easier. What airport in Europe do you have to take your shoes and belt off at? None. This enhanced screen has been here in Phoenix for months now. They do make you take out anything bigger than your phone, Nintendo DS, camera, tablets etc. and put them in a bin like a laptop.

    3. Re:This isn't new at some airports. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you talking about?
      I fly within the EU all the time, and the security is nowhere near as intrusive.

    4. Re:This isn't new at some airports. by psergiu · · Score: 1

      Examples:

      LHR (London - Heathow) international terminals.

      All electronics containing batteries including phones must be placed separate on a tray. Shoes off, belt off, wrist watch & any bracelets off. Coats off. Any spot shows up on the milimmeter wave machines - you get a pattin'. Soap bars or candles in your carry-on ? Baggage off the belt and onto the swab station.

      OTP (Bucharest - Henri Coada).

      Any solid object not resembling clothes in the carry-on luggage better be in a separate tray. Else you get all the carry-on contents unceremoniously dumped in multiple trays, rummaged through, asked about each one then ran through the X-Ray again. Any blunt object might be restricted to fly (had 2 stone statues a bit larger than a fist rejected as dangerous).

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    5. Re:This isn't new at some airports. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not to mention, in what airport in europe do they literally stick their hand in your underwear and stop just short from feeling your balls en penis?

    6. Re:This isn't new at some airports. by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2

      I was transiting through Frankfurt a few weeks back on my first trip to Europe and had to do exactly this, which caught me by surprise since I had never heard of a policy like it before. I watched this one police officer's facial expression change from curiosity to mild horror to amusement at the absurdity of the situation as I pulled a laptop, two tablets, three handheld gaming systems, and a few other random electronics from my laptop bag alone. I imagine that to him it looked a bit like clowns getting out of a car at the circus.

      To anyone behind me in line, I apologize.

    7. Re:This isn't new at some airports. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The lack of consistency between airports is one of the things I love most about the TSA (other than the free molestation). And of course the TSA agents get angry and act like you should know what the rules are at any given airport...especially since you are traveling and oh guess what, this is your first time in that airport.

    8. Re: This isn't new at some airports. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? That sounds stupid. What about if you are traveling with a lot of tech gear? You are expected to juggle a dozen separate bins, keeping your eyes on all of them in a high theft zone? Oh. I guess that's the point. So they can steal more shit from people.

    9. Re: This isn't new at some airports. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they grope your dick and balls.

    10. Re:This isn't new at some airports. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I flew through Dublin recently and it was lovely, just like pre-2001 USA. I was in Schiphol and Copenhagen a few years ago, and they were pretty chill too. I can well believe Heathrow would suck, though.

      Of course, going back home I got to go through Irish security, then go downstairs and do US security.

      Lately I've been getting TSA Precheck on return trips (why?), which helps. I also have slip on shoes and all-plastic suspenders.

      When Sea-Tac was really jammed last week, they paraded us past a drug dog and then let us keep everything on.

    11. Re: This isn't new at some airports. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you're supposed to check your luggage so they can rummage through it out of site and just steal whatever they want.

    12. Re: This isn't new at some airports. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They'll also need more scanning machines to cope with the increased workload. The kickbacks on those things don't come cheap.

    13. Re:This isn't new at some airports. by Kazymyr · · Score: 1

      This is bullshit. I just traveled through several major airports in Europe and had in my backpack 2 tablets, 1 game console, several travel routers, power adapters and other electronic stuff. I never had to remove anything from the backpack.

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    14. Re: This isn't new at some airports. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bull. Shit. I flew fro t3 last week, laptops and toothpaste in a separate tray - 1 tray for 2 laptops and the paste. Other 2 bags were fine. Shoes (cat boots but not steel) stated on, as did my belt.

    15. Re: This isn't new at some airports. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ask for a female TSA agent.
      Give her $20 afterwards.
      Don't say anything when you leave.
      Pretend you've never met if you interact again.

    16. Re:This isn't new at some airports. by youngone · · Score: 3, Funny

      I flew into the UK through Heathrow last year, and didn't even see an x-ray machine.
      No-one asked me to remove my belt or shoes either, so I don't know where that came from.
      I did have to place my laptop into a tray for the x-ray machine in Melbourne earlier this year however. While I was waiting I heard an American ask one of the security guys if she needed to remove her shoes. He looked at her like she was drunk and said, "No, why would you do that"?

    17. Re:This isn't new at some airports. by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      What the EU wants to do within the EU is what some nation in the EU wants to do.
      Who is allowed to work in the EU and what they do is set by that nation or the EU.
      EU has its privacy laws to consider and the free movement of people within the EU.
      When a person finally exits the EU to the USA real security steps up.

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    18. Re: This isn't new at some airports. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tell them that I am married, my junk belongs to my wife, and that a signed note from her is needed to touch them on pain of divorce.

    19. Re:This isn't new at some airports. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I flew into the UK through Heathrow last year, and didn't even see an x-ray machine.

      They generally screen items at origination, not destination. Never saw an Xray on the way out? You must have a bad memory. Those have been staples since what, the 70s?

    20. Re:This isn't new at some airports. by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Heath row last week, iPads out, shoes off in my line. They stage the metal detectors and mm wave scanners so you might have to go through both.

    21. Re: This isn't new at some airports. by jbengt · · Score: 1

      Actually I'm working on a couple of projects where they're replacing scanning machines with the latest & greatest (in the back-of-the-house baggage handling for checked luggage). They're actually installing fewer machines than the number they're replacing. The new machines have a much greater throughput, and, as an added bonus, have a higher false positive rate.

    22. Re:This isn't new at some airports. by houghi · · Score: 2

      It depends from day to day and airport to airport. I had to take it out in Brussels, next time I didn't need to and after that I needed to.
      I now just put the portable in a bin and have things next to it (like keys and wallet) but not on top of it. No issues since then.

      It really depends on the mood of the person who works the line and how busy it is. If very busy, they are a bit easier. If not that busy, they are a bit stricter.

      In Spain I had to put the portable in a separate basket each time. Airports where Santiago de Compostella and Avilles, so smaller airports with mainly national flights.

      I only need to take out the portable, not the cables or anything else.

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  3. enhanced by turkeydance · · Score: 0

    interrogation

    1. Re:enhanced by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, they're talking about electronics. I imagine that "enhanced screening" means that they take your 14" laptop and return a 17" one to you.

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    2. Re:enhanced by Meski · · Score: 1

      Retina scan, if it's an Apple.

  4. Pre-check is worth it by DogDude · · Score: 1

    Pre-check is totally worth it. I don't know why more people don't use it. Your privacy is already shot going on a commercial flight, anyway.

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    1. Re:Pre-check is worth it by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      Because it is not available to most people?

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    2. Re:Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree.

      Additionally...

      The TSA and the airlines should stop colluding on giving TSA PreCheck status to travelers that have not been through the actual TSA PreCheck screening process and related paperwork.

      I can't tell you how many times I got "comped" with TSA PreCheck when I was traveling a lot on business... and I had never enrolled in TSA PreCheck!!

    3. Re:Pre-check is worth it by DogDude · · Score: 1

      The TSA Pre® application program membership is only open to U.S. citizens, U.S. nationals and lawful permanent residents.

      If by "most people" you mean "most people on the planet", you're correct. But it's available to almost everybody who is (legally) living in the US.

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    4. Re:Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget that most people also has to include those willing to pay $100/yr or whatever it is. Most people couldn't be bothered. (I guess they're hoping a terrorist will be a cheapskate.)

    5. Re: Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean $100 for 5 years. If you fly semi-regularly $20 per year is a no brainer.

    6. Re:Pre-check is worth it by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      The TSA Pre® application program membership is only open to U.S. citizens, U.S. nationals and lawful permanent residents.

      If by "most people" you mean "most people on the planet", you're correct. But it's available to almost everybody who is (legally) living in the US.

      Yes. And that's why that Pre-Application program won't help me in the slightest. As I said: To most people, it is of absolutely no use.

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    7. Re: Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So let't make it worse?

    8. Re: Pre-check is worth it by psergiu · · Score: 1

      TSA Pre only is $85 / 5 years.

      But wait, that's not all !

      For just $15 more you can upgrade to "Global Entry" - which allows you to skip the immigration/passport check line when coming to US and exit the airport through a separate, shorter, customs control line.
      Global Entry also includes:
      - TSA Pre
      - SENTRI (Mexico land border expedited entry)
      - NEXUS (Canada land border expedited entry)

      https://www.cbp.gov/travel/tru...

      Worth every penny if you need to fly in and out of the US.

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    9. Re:Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I don't know why more people don't use it

      For me and a couple of friends, it's because Obama's policies do not allow us to. I have the same first name, middle initial, last name, and DOB as a felon, so I'm not allowed to use it. I'm also blocked from using the NEXUS program. I live in Seattle, and while most of my coworkers are allowed to use that and enter Canada in less than thirty minutes, I'm always stuck using the main line which usually takes hours. My last trip to Vancouver took four hours of waiting at the border. We have two offices within driving distance in Canada, so this is a pain.

      Also, not all of us can get passports. I have an enhanced drivers license I use to enter Canada, but because of the before mentioned problem, I can't get a passport. Washington state is basically a single party state so our two senators, Patty Murray (D)
      and Maria Cantwell (D), don't help the people with issues like this since they know they don't have to in order to get reelected. That also means I'm blocked from flying to Canada. I was hoping Trump would help with the problem after Obama made it worse, but that hasn't happened yet.

    10. Re:Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sucks that in the US that you have to get the government's permission to travel. I've been denied a passport, and I even hired a lawyer a couple of times to try to help and gave money to one of my state's senators reelection campaign. I still don't have a passport. I've never left the country, and it looks like I never will be able to. That probably doesn't matter since I'm a programmer and can't get time off anyway.

    11. Re: Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The REAL ID act was passed in 2005, but Obama did nothing to undo it. I can't get a passport because of identity theft about 25 years ago, so I'm still pissed at Obama. I really wish I could visit my in-laws in Mexico.

    12. Re:Pre-check is worth it by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      "It sucks that in the US that you have to get the government's permission to travel. I've been denied a passport"

      The US does not have exit controls. Strictly speaking, you do not need the US governments permission to leave.

    13. Re: Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow a few dollars to skip a manufactured line that does nothing to make passengers secure. Such a deal. I'll take three please!

    14. Re:Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ever tried to board a plane or a cruise ship without a passport? Or drive through the border into Canada or Mexico without a passport or an enhanced ID? You will not be allowed to leave. We do generally need the government's permission to leave. I guess you could take a sailboat to exit the country, but for most people, the US does not allow us to leave. REAL ID passed in 2005 prevents us from leaving, and Obama did nothing in his eight years as President to help us.

      I married a girl from China, and her parents now live in Richmond, BC Canada just south of Vancouver. I've never been allowed to visit them, and in the past year I missed two weddings near there (one coworker and the other my wife's cousin) since I wasn't allowed across the border.

    15. Re:Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Richmond, BC

      That is a sad ghetto so the US government did you a favor by not allowing you to go there.

    16. Re: Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least they still have fredom that side of the border. The irony of the US national anthem always cracks me up.

    17. Re: Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhhh, the US demanded Canada and Mexico add new requirements in order to leave the US. I can't get an enhanced drivers license since my name was misspelled on my birth certificate and certainly will never be allowed a passport. The US is preventing us from leaving.

    18. Re: Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Patty Murray is useless and always has been. Her seat is secure so she doesn't help us. I tried several times to get her to help me get a passport and she never did a damn thing.

    19. Re: Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I turned 18 in 1987 when I applied for a passport. I still do not have one.

    20. Re: Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have a Constitutional right to a passport. Nothing in it guarantees our right to leave the country.

    21. Re: Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He doesn't want us to be allowed to flee, so why would he help us

    22. Re: Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're a potential threat, then I'm glad you were denied the right to leave the US.

    23. Re: Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Been fighting for mine since 1975 since my grandparents live in Europe. I still don't have one despite spending over $30k on lawyers.

    24. Re:Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US does not have exit controls. Strictly speaking, you do not need the US governments permission to leave.

      Uhhh, what? I got married in Ottawa Canada, and the vast majority of my groomsmen and my wife's bridesmaids weren't allowed to leave the US. That was in 2003 before the US even required a passport to leave the country. Now, things are even worse. Issuance of passports is very tightly controlled by the government. Obama added a lot of extra restrictions and secret lists. I was allowed to leave the country in 2003, which was the last time I did, but now I can't leave because I can't get a passport since my birth certificate misspells my name. Permission to leave got much more strict under Obama.

    25. Re: Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Late 70s for me. I didn't really care until recently when the US started requiring one in order to go to Mexico or Canada.

    26. Re:Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US does not have exit controls.

      Oh bullshit. Since Obama was President, we are no longer allowed to fly out of the US without the US government's permission slip(passport). Just try damn flying without it.

    27. Re: Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. It's sad to see people whine about not being allowed to have a passport. That is a privilege.

    28. Re: Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obama severely restricted passport privileges. Too bad so many people don't understand that getting a passport isn't a right.

    29. Re:Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Obama couldn't stop that since Bush wrote that order in a way he couldn't contravene it It is Bush's fault that we're not allowed to leave the country.

    30. Re: Pre-check is worth it by AmazingRuss · · Score: 1

      I pay thousands out of each paycheck to keep them from kicking my door down and dragging me off to rape camp. 20 bucks a year to not get probed is good value.

    31. Re:Pre-check is worth it by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      I can't get a passport since my birth certificate misspells my name

      So... get one under the misspelled version? Or go to court and have your name legally changed? I can't see any situation in which you can't get a passport but can get a driver's license, Social Security card, or any of the other ID-proving documents you need to get a legit job in the US.

    32. Re:Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't mind so much the frequent travelers who get PreCheck without formally applying... they know the drill. I've seen it applied to people who obviously haven't flown in ages, if ever, and it's always a shitshow. I get it, the elderly couple are not a big security risk - but they also hold up the line so badly that it's faster to go through the regular line than wait for them (took five minutes for one guy to remember he had a hip replacement that kept setting off the metal detector). Looking at you, Kansas City. Been there twice, happened both times.

    33. Re:Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you have no experience with that particular problem. My sister's name is Julie, but the county clerk accidentally typed the name Julia. She has a drivers license and social security card, but after a little over two decades of fighting, she still doesn't have a passport.

    34. Re:Pre-check is worth it by ayesnymous · · Score: 1

      > Your privacy is already shot going on a commercial flight, anyway. I've never had to submit my fingerprints. If you use Pre, then you do.

    35. Re: Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what moral justification do you have for a country denying its citizens to leave?

    36. Re: Pre-check is worth it by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      Or a horrifying situation that is creating a different class of citizen...TSA pre-check is an abomination and you should be ashamed for supporting it.

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    37. Re:Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you are very confused. I am a US citizen, but live in another country, and I am familiar with these kinds of issues.

      It is not the US that refuses you the ability to leave, it is the destination country that refuses you entry if you do not have a passport. They want to know you will be legally able to leave their country when your time comes. If you do not have a US passport, then you will not be able to re-enter the US and the Canadians (or other country) will definitely not want you to stay. When you talk about US and Canada, the leaving and entering happen pretty much simultaneously so it is easy to be confused. When you leave one country and enter the destination country hours later (as I do when leaving the US), it is clear the actions are different. In fact, when I leave the US to return to my home I never have to show my US passport to any agent of the US government at all. I show it at the other end of the journey. Did the same last year when I drove to Canada. To fly out of the US I do have to show the airline I have a US passport because they want to be sure that I can get back into the US if for whatever reason the country on the other end decides not to allow me in. In that case the airline has to bring me back.

    38. Re:Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you have it a bit wrong. It is not the US not allowing you to leave, it is the Canadians not allowing you to enter without a US passport. The issue is that without a US passport, you could not get back into the US and would have to stay in Canada and they would not want you to do that.

      The reasons for the US not allowing you to have a passport are another matter. You do not need a passport to leave, you need a passport to get back in. When you leave the US, you don't have to show a US passport to any US agent, you just go. In the case of Canada, you cannot go very far before you have to show a passport to a Canadian border agent, however.

    39. Re: Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Passport is not about right to leave. It is about the right/ability to come back in after you leave.

    40. Re:Pre-check is worth it by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      So, well under half of the people who fly into the US then?

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    41. Re:Pre-check is worth it by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
      That's the only bit that made sense to me. I've flown into the US dozens of times, and each time I've not been a terrorist. After a while, I started seeing TSA Pre on my boarding passes: odds are, I'm probably not going to suddenly become a terrorist. It seems a lot more reliable than assuming that people who pay $100 and fill in a web form are not terrorists.

      Unfortunately, I didn't fly much last year and so this year I'm back in the long queues.

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    42. Re: Pre-check is worth it by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Global entry and nexus are separate programs (unfortunately). Nexus intake stations are just in cities close to the Canadian border as well, so even fewer locations to Global Entry.

    43. Re: Pre-check is worth it by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 1

      Nexus is actually only $50 and gives you Global Entry and PreCheck. The downside is you have to give all your personal info to both the US *and* Canadian governments, and have a quick meeting on the US-Canadian border with an agent of each country, so if you have to make a special trip to get to that meeting, it becomes more expensive than Global Entry.

      That said, the special driving lane to/from Canada is worth it. Stated metric of getting you across in 15 minutes (to the point where they actually open more booths if the Nexus line gets too long).

    44. Re: Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everytime I got a passport, they asked me to confirm that the information they entered is correct. Sounds like Julia didn't follow instructions

    45. Re: Pre-check is worth it by jbengt · · Score: 1

      So the Julie/a should have told the county clerk that they were spelling her name wrong on her birth certificate when she was a day old or so?

    46. Re: Pre-check is worth it by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      And how do those idiots know it's actually you when they can't even distinguish two different people with the same name!?

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    47. Re: Pre-check is worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Passport is not about right to leave. It is about the right/ability to come back in after you leave.

      The SCOTUS ruled that the border cannot prevent any US citizen from entering the country. They do not have the power to do so. Of course, they might hold you for a few hours to verify your identity, but they simply cannot keep you from returning to the country so your excuse is BS. It is the US that is preventing us from leaving because we are now after Obama more like Russia.

  5. My employer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    My employer lends employees phones to travel to the US with. You get it wiped. Arrive in the US and connect through a VPN to get your stuff. Wipe before returning.

  6. two class society by jmccue · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So you you pay extra money you get special privileges in what use to be a freedom (travel). So much for the US Revolution and the Declaration of Independence

    1. Re:two class society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah the US Revolution and the Declaration of Independence really freed those black slaves on the lower tier of society, didn't they?

      Or did you want to continue your bullshit view of history.

    2. Re:two class society by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Yeah the US Revolution and the Declaration of Independence really freed those black slaves on the lower tier of society, didn't they?

      Sounds to me like you both have a point. White people are getting a taste of what black people have been dealing with, and they don't like it.

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    3. Re: two class society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A taste of being predisposed to becoming criminal scum?

    4. Re: two class society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. The nobility doesn't have to remove their shoes. Pretty soon if a newly-wed couple is flying for their honeymoon and the TSA supervisor on duty is a member of the royal class, he'll be able to exercise his right of first privilege to the bride.

    5. Re:two class society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nibbers don't like it? Then they ought to behave less stupid, violent and lazy. Behave not baboonish, but productive: kinda like white folks have behaved the last 10,000 years. If they can. Which most cannot. EOF !

    6. Re:two class society by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      c'mon c'mon, why all the cynicism? Those rules and regulations are there, just like the friendly, hardworking TSA agents -- to keep america and her people safe. If you don't like it, perhaps you should write some letters, or run for office yourself.

      God forbid people actually lift a finger when it comes to issues they care about -- rather than just bitch about it online.

    7. Re:two class society by Solandri · · Score: 1

      A Pre-check application costs $85 and is good for 5 years. Not much different from a driver's license ($33 every 5 years in California). The price defers the cost of background inspections, fingerprinting, interviews, and other administrative costs. (If you're going to fly internationally, spring the extra $15 for Global Entry - that'll get you into the fast lanes at immigration. If you already have a NEXUS (Canada) or SENTRI (Mexico) card, you're already in Pre-check.)

      If you're so destitute you can't afford $17/year, you probably shouldn't be traveling, much less flying.

      Fact is, the people paying for Pre-check are subsidizing the people who aren't getting it. They're paying to have their background check done in advance, so as not to waste the time of TSA personnel at the airport. But they're still paying taxes to fund TSA for the people who don't have Pre-check. The proper way to pay for this would be to take the expense of TSA security and pay for it with a surcharge on every ticket sold, instead of via the general tax fund. Then people who get Pre-check should pay a reduced surcharge or no surcharge at all, to reflect the lowered cost to TSA due to their background already having been checked. But then you'd be complaining about how the government makes it cheaper to fly if you submit to their invasive pre-clearance background checks.

    8. Re:two class society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Letters written to the politicians in Congress are simply ignored. Complaining online accomplishes nothing.

      I vote with my money, and my standing policy is I don't fly on commercial airlines anymore. Nobody in his right mind who considers himself a free citizen of a free country would ever voluntarily pay money to be treated like a criminal and subject himself to the fascist police state that exists at our nation's airports.

      Until we go back to being a free country, the airlines aren't getting one red cent out of me. None of the members of our government layer-cake are getting any aviation-related taxes from me either.

    9. Re: two class society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being "productive" actually means spending your labor and your time to suit someone else. By definition, a productive person produces more than what it costs to pay them. This means that you 'productive' people are being exploited and don't even fucking realize it.

      And I happen to be a white male so you can't stoop to racism to make a counterpoint.

    10. Re: two class society by orlanz · · Score: 1

      No the PROPER way to pay for the TSA is to have them on select routes that people pay extra for the added security against terrorists.

      Those who don't want to pay or can't afford the cost can fly without the benefit of the added security against terrorists. They can go back to the risky flights of the pre-2011 days. As the demand for the latter wanes, we can switch that route to TSA only. In no time, all routes will be TSA secure and well funded!

    11. Re: two class society by jbengt · · Score: 1

      You don't have to work for someone else to be productive.

    12. Re:two class society by sethaw · · Score: 1

      The proper way to pay for this would be to take the expense of TSA security and pay for it with a surcharge on every ticket sold, instead of via the general tax fund.

      There is a surcharge called the "September 11th Security Fee" for the TSA on every plane ticket. It's just that airlines include all the mandatory taxes & fees with the advertised ticket price. In 2016 the TSA collected about $3.7 billion from the fees which is about half of their budget.

  7. They're just doing their jobs! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I was 19 or 20 I had a laptop that I carried with me in a leather suitcase bag along with a 15" lcd monitor, because I punched the screen so hard the bezel snapped.

    I don't think the blue mohawk or trench coat helped matters much, but I wasn't surprised that they swabbed everything that they could for explosive residue testing...may have been DNA who fucking knows.

    Point being, that was 15 years ago. I haven't flown since.

  8. why not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DHS has a stellar record of protecting us from our property through at-home deep searches. Whoever doesn't like this new in-airport enhanced screening is probably a terrorist.

  9. Ugh, more empty theater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does this really make us safer? I'm already using 5 bins to get through security.

    1. Re:Ugh, more empty theater by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      I'm in TSA Pre, but if I weren't, I would tie up an entire security line for half an hour under these rules. I typically travel with:

      • two laptops
      • a power cord for the laptops
      • two cell phones
      • power cords for two cell phones
      • about eight camera lenses and teleconverters
      • several spare camera batteries
      • a battery charger
      • a wireless remote
      • the receiver for the wireless remote (with cables)
      • a bag of batteries for the external remote and its receiver (because it runs down the batteries if you leave them in it)
      • an external camera flash
      • two laptop hard drives
      • retractable USB and HDMI cables with adapters
      • multiple SD cards in multiple places
      • multiple CF cards in multiple places
      • at least one or two flash card readers.

      I'm sure I'm forgetting something. My entire bag is basically a solid block of electronics, all carefully packed, all of which fits in there in exactly one way, and would fill about five bins.

      Why do I get the distinct feeling that they haven't thought this through. At all.

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    2. Re:Ugh, more empty theater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All that and no camera?

    3. Re:Ugh, more empty theater by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      D'oh! I knew I forgot something in that list. Two camera bodies.

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    4. Re: Ugh, more empty theater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would rather not have my necessary gear go through that abuse so I have my ata and pelican cases of work equipment and tools drop-shipped to the jobsite long before I leave for the airport
      Then I just travel with a smartphone, credit card, ID and cash. (essentially wiped of anything personal) The extra cost of shipping is worth it for the ease of slipping through the whole flying process, and I have more gear at the job than I would be able to fly anyway. (weight/size)
      I do check a mundane suitcase of clothing so as to avoid the suspicion associated with luggage-less passengers.
      Because of this along with flying out of a 1-gate small-town airport that doesn't even have a TSA Pre service I feel I'm not missing anything by not having it.
      -on return flights where I've noticed the separate line, it doesn't seem to move much faster than the normal cattle line -but I fly out of smaller airports like Burbank so maybe it would make a difference at ATL, LAX, SFO etc..

    5. Re:Ugh, more empty theater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in Central America, and when I return home I usually am muling *a lot* of electronics. The last time I returned home, they were running this program as a trial. I had at least 10 SBC's, 4 2.5" external HD's, 1 .3.5" HD, 2 phones, dozens of flash drives and micro sd cards,a laptop, and a kindle fire tablet in my carry-on. It took 20 minutes for them to unpack and check everything. Hilarity ensued.

    6. Re:Ugh, more empty theater by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      If you really want to confuse them have an old metal chassis film SLR, some good lenses, a bunch of filters, bulb cable, extension tubes, a couple of telephoto converters, a big flash, a compact tripod, a light meter, and a bunch of film and then fit it all in one larger camera bag. When they open it up it is like a fucking clown car as they start taking things out and the effort they go through to claim that half of that stuff is a weapon is rather sad. I have learned to not fly with film in the camera as they frequently open the camera because they are rather stupid.

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    7. Re:Ugh, more empty theater by houghi · · Score: 1

      So you hold up the line for half an hour. They do not care. Their bosses might, so they need to hire more people. That will give some others a nice bonus.

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  10. Where are the terrorists with bomb implants? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where are the terrorists with bomb implants? It should not be to difficult to surgically implant a bomb of a couple of kilograms in someone's gut.
    It don't expect people who want to rake bombs with them on a plane, are worried about medium/long term health risks.

  11. Great by bickerdyke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So it's juggling with 5 more plastic bins one handed while the other hand tries to hold pants up because your belt is in one of them.

    I'd like to apologize to the people behind me but it's in our both interest that I put belt and shoes on before I start moving again.

    I don't care about having to spread out the contents of my luggage or having to strip down, but having to do so in a queue is a terrible idea! NOT EVERYONE CAN TIE THEIR SHOELACES WHILE STANDING ON ONE LEG. Espescially not while pressured to move from the guy behind you. A simple bench to help you put on your shoes again would work wonders. Then a little space to pack or unpack your stuff or little trolleys to move your stack of bins away from the x-ray quickly....

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    1. Re:Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I just take as long as I need, standing there at the luggage belt, putting my clothes back on and putting things back in my bag. I'm not going to push myself to be rushed or filled with anxiety because someone else came up with terrible ideas. If it sucks, it sucks because of someone else's foolishness and I say so loudly when those behind me complain.

            It's not being a jerk, it's being a self-respecting human.

    2. Re:Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get a belt with a carbon fibre buckle. You can keep your belt on through security.

    3. Re:Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NOT EVERYONE CAN TIE THEIR SHOELACES WHILE STANDING ON ONE LEG.

      So move out of the way and tie your shoes once you have cleared the congested area.

      You don't need your shoes tied before you're able to move.

      Pressured to move ? How about you move because it's the considerate thing to do, without any pressure from anyone else ?

      NEWS FLASH : when you're in a public situation, other people have rights too.

    4. Re: Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No,
      They make you take it off and run it through x-ray anyways just to verify your claim.

    5. Re:Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sure sounds as though you are exactly the person that TSA Precheck was designed for. With Precheck you do not have to remove your shoes or your belt or your jacket. I have a Global Entry card, which includes Precheck, and I am a bit older than some. I find Precheck really helpful as my old body comes through the process with less stress.

    6. Re:Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not a public area- it's a TSA area. So you can wait inline behind me, Johnny, whilst I am inconvenienced. Want to complain? Complain to the TSA. See how far that gets you.

    7. Re:Great by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      As someone who has to fly two times a week, I can only say that belts with plastic buckles are godsend.

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    8. Re:Great by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately: No.

      As I stated above. Most people aren't able to get TSAPre.

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    9. Re:Great by jittles · · Score: 1

      As someone who has to fly two times a week, I can only say that belts with plastic buckles are godsend.

      I've gone through the metal detector before and been forced to lift my shirt so they could see if I was wearing a belt. They made me walk back through the detector and put my belt onto the x-ray conveyor, then return through the metal detector. The detector did not go off once. I don't think they'd let you wear even a plastic belt through the body scanner.

    10. Re:Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention the lack of caring if your phone/laptop/tablet in one of those bins falls off the end of the conveyor because we're all trying to tie our shoes and get the damn belt through the back loop. Now I just wear sweatpants and sandals.

    11. Re:Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this is how you end up being a jerk. Not to the TSA staff, who are already useless and a waste of our time, but to your fellow passengers. While you're standing at the belt taking your sweet time putting clothes and other things back in your bag, others are stuck behind you waiting for their gear. Grab your trash, move out to a free table or bench, and get dressed there. Sure, it sucks because of someone else's foolishness but standing at the belt taking your time to pack everything back up isn't help either.

  12. State Department by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What an interesting way for the "State Department" to insert it's malware.

    1. Re:State Department by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      In the X-ray machine?

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  13. Security Theater by Linsaran · · Score: 3, Informative

    Practically everything the TSA does is security theater anyways, this is just another one of a long list of not really effective things they do to make a big show and make everyone 'feel' safer.

    I'd rather they spend that money on things that work, or on almost literally anything else.

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    1. Re:Security Theater by Mistakill · · Score: 1

      Yeah, watching "Please Remove Your Shoes" made me cringe... at the TSA

    2. Re:Security Theater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats right TSA, give us more reasons NOT to fly anywhere...just kill the airlines that much faster!!!

    3. Re:Security Theater by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      That's not from watching. That's from smelling.

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  14. Why Yes officer That Is my Poopy Bum Toy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They look at ur dildo too close, what

  15. Would The TSA Be More Effective If . . . by tgeek · · Score: 1

    . . . they searched for homemade bombs posing as electronic devices? Instead of electronic devices posing as homemade bombs? (Bob: "Look there's a homemade bomb in this purse!" Dave replies: "Nah! That's just a pocket calculator posing as a homemade bomb")

  16. haha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Terrorists 100 US citizens 0
    Ever get the feeling you lost a war?

  17. Only larger than a mobile phone by erice · · Score: 1

    Given the trend in phones, pretty soon there won't be electronic gear bigger than a mobile phone that still fits in the overhead bins. Problem solved. No more need for screening.

  18. How many foreigners have brought bombs into U.S by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and how many bombs have the U.S. dropped on foreign countries, killing foreign civilians? The hypocrisy and paranoia is real. Screw America, take your vacation elsewhere where you are welcome and not treated as a terrorist.

    1. Re:How many foreigners have brought bombs into U.S by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but this is America, the exceptional
      The people WE kill aren't targetted, we just don't give a flying fcuk!

  19. Efficiency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think this policy makes sense. It helps them x-ray things more efficiently. But as someone else mentioned, it makes things less efficient elsewhere with all the extra bin juggling.

    I think the whole mess would be improved if they had more than just one person checking IDs and boarding passes, and processed more passengers in parallel. It's not the security theater so much as the inefficiency that bothers everyone.

    1. Re:Efficiency by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 1

      >> It's not the security theater so much as the inefficiency that bothers everyone.

      I respectfully disagree. It's the theater. I could forgive inefficiency if it were effective, but it's not. We're 15 years post-911, and the hands-in-bag screeners still don't get to see an image of what made the x-ray screener pull the bag.

      Nail-clipper treasure hunts make us less safe because it trains agents to look for clippers. IMHO we need a lot more red team exercises, multiple per airport day, and a lot less nail-clipper policing. $0.02.

    2. Re: Efficiency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you'd forgive the inefficiency if it was effective. That sounds fair. But what about the opposite? Would you forgive the ineffectiveness if it were efficient?

      For example... I don't think checking for nail clippers is effective. I never heard of a terrorist hijacking a plane with such a useless weapon. But if it didn't even cost me a second for the TSA to check for them, I wouldn't mind.

    3. Re:Efficiency by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      That was me.

      It wouldn't even take more personal for the checks as efficiency could be ramped up by travelers if they had the tools!

      A few benches or chairs and tables to help dressing/undressing/packing/unpacking, Stackable bins and something on wheels to roll your stack of bins to the actual checkpoint would work magic!

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  20. Leave the delusional electronics alone! by Alok · · Score: 1

    > amid growing fears that electronic devices can pose as homemade bombs.

    Shouldn't TSA care more about homemade bombs that masquerade as electronics. If an electronic gadget wants to play make-believe, shouldn't that be covered by AI rights in future ... TSA trying to get in laws ahead of time?

    1. Re:Leave the delusional electronics alone! by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      don't tell trump, he'll block such devices from serving in the military.

  21. I'm so old by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

    I remember when the 4th Amendment meant something
    Then came the Cuban hijackings
    And the SCOTUS said "Well, only a FEW SELECT people need to lose their rights"
    Camel's nose?
    More like Horse's Asses

  22. TSA new rules by johnlg50 · · Score: 1

    You know all TSA employee's are given a labodomy before being assigned where to work. All are basically brain dead

    1. Re:TSA new rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      labodomy

      The irony is delicious.

  23. Note: only for the non atypical republican. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Every person that has had this happen has been brown. It's just an excuse to be more racist at the airports.
    Let's also ignore the fact that monday all of Orlando International skipped the security checks dod not have to take laptop out of the bag, dont remove shoes or coat, just walk through.

    Airport security is theater and an attempt to be racist to those that are not white.

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  24. Damage Has Been Done by n329619 · · Score: 1

    If either the TSA or the US gov't were competent, they would have done this long ago (like 1/2 year ago).

    Whether it is security theater or not, some international business travelers are already not going to the US and reorganizing event elsewhere in fear of business documents (laptop) being held at border.

    They can improve it, but international business travelers already have the fear. The damage has been done. Good luck reversing it.

    1. Re:Damage Has Been Done by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      The damage is mainly in the visa system; the security screening and customs is a minor issue: keep sensitive data on micro-SD cards on your person, hidden within luggage, or in the cloud and downloaded on arrival. All encrypted of course.

      The Visa system though makes it very hard to have an international conference in the US now, or in a place where attendees will need to connect on a US flight. It started with the electronic authorization for "visa waiver" countries, but Trump has made it exponentially worse.

    2. Re:Damage Has Been Done by neo-mkrey · · Score: 1

      9/11 -- the terrorists won

  25. Camera makers' stocks going to drop by ayesnymous · · Score: 1

    I was about to buy a camera, but after hearing this news, forget it. Those bins are dirty as shit. What if the previous bin user had stepped in dog shit and put his shoes in your bin? Then you put your camera in there and now your camera has dog shit on it.

    1. Re:Camera makers' stocks going to drop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "What if the previous bin user had stepped in dog shit..?"

      That's what we should ALL do. Fuck the TSA.

  26. Wich dimension ? by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Given the trend in phones, pretty soon there won't be electronic gear bigger than a mobile phone that still fits in the overhead bins.

    Which measuring dimension are considering ?

    Horizontal/Vertical width ? - Yeah pretty soon the huge plasma screen in your living room is going to be the only device bigger than a phone and that clearly can't be fit in your luggage.

    Thickness/depth ? - Sorry man, soon even your cigarette rolling paper is going to be over the limit.

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  27. Dismal Security Record by Macdude · · Score: 1

    I wonder if this will help improve their dismal security record.

    https://tech.slashdot.org/stor...

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