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CBS Delaying 'Star Trek: Discovery' To Maintain Quality (foxnews.com)
New submitter Zorro shares a report from Fox News: The premiere of "Star Trek: Discovery" on CBS' subscription streaming service, CBS All Access, was postponed nine months to maintain the quality of the brand. Executive producer Alex Kurtzman told the Television Critics Association Tuesday that they "spent a lot of time" discussing how to create this new world for TV that felt authentic to the "Star Trek" universe. Also during that time, executive producer Bryan Fuller decided to exit the series as showrunner to focus on other projects. Kurtzman said "it became clearer and clearer" that the targeted January debut would "compromise the quality of the show," so it was pushed with the blessing of CBS Chairman and CEO Leslie Moonves.
They've got a real stinker on their hands and they know it.
9 months to fix it? Good luck. That's long enough to tell us that there are serious fucking problems, yet not long enough for them to fix them.
I expect this will either be delayed further, outright canned, or just put out as-is and never spoken of again.
It needs to be on showtime as well. in Canada it's planed to be on basic cable.
Do they need make the 1st show kick ass with a big next week on Star Trek: Discovery to sell CBS All Access ???
I know the headline is Fox News's and not yours, but it really should be "delayed", past tense, not "delaying". The article is talking about the delays the show has already experienced, not a new delay. The show is still scheduled to premier on September 24, as the closing graf makes clear.
Please link to one single comment, from anyone, whining that the new Star Trek isn't 100% white men. Just one.
even if it is released I don't see it doing well. There's only so much money available to be spent on streaming services, and Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu.
Whatever either Alex Kurtzman or Akiva Goldsman touch - it turns to shit.
Though, granted, they did find a worse combination than joining Kurtzman with Orci, Jar Jar and Lindelof, as usual.
I'm guessing that adding that "From the writer of "I Am Legend", "The Da Vinci Code", "Angels and Demons", "I, Robot", "Lost in Space", "Batman & Robin" and "Transformers: The Last Knight"" credit clinched it.
But hey! At least they've gotten rid of the guy who worked on DS9 and Voyager!
That'll make the Noo Trek so much better!
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The original Star Trek only ran for 3 seasons, but created a *HUGE* following, and led to several movies, a few of which were actually good. TNG was a reboot and it lasted for 7 seasons, and also had a HUGE following. It followed the same formula, and it did great!
Deep Space Nine - Star Trek on a space station. When the commander points his finger and says "Engage", nothing happens. That's why halfway through it's run, they brought in the Defiant.
Voyager - Gilligan's Island in space. I didn't care that the Captain was a woman, but apparently the rest of the demographic did. Halfway though it's run, they dropped Kes and got Seven of Nine for eye candy.
Enterprise - Star Trek with the guy from Quantum Leap. They deal with species that we never see in any of the other shows, and are missing the species that we WANT to see. Only lasted about 4 years.
There is only one formula that works. That's what the viewers want to see. CBS is *NOT* going to do that, so Discovery will suck.
The original Star Trek only ran for 3 seasons, but created a *HUGE* following, and led to several movies, a few of which were actually good.
The original Trek had an amazing cast, presented a new view of the future, and pushed the boundaries of television at the time.
TNG was a reboot and it lasted for 7 seasons, and also had a HUGE following. It followed the same formula, and it did great!
TNG had an amazing cast, amazing writers, and generally high production values.
Deep Space Nine - Star Trek on a space station. When the commander points his finger and says "Engage", nothing happens. That's why halfway through it's run, they brought in the Defiant.
All true, but DS9 was still a well-loved show. That's why its run was long enough to have a halfway worthy of the name.
Voyager - Gilligan's Island in space. I didn't care that the Captain was a woman, but apparently the rest of the demographic did. Halfway though it's run, they dropped Kes and got Seven of Nine for eye candy.
Seven of Nine was not only better eye candy than Kes (although she had her own substantial following of fanboys) but also a stronger and more interesting character in every way, not merely mammarian.
Enterprise - Star Trek with the guy from Quantum Leap. They deal with species that we never see in any of the other shows, and are missing the species that we WANT to see. Only lasted about 4 years.
They should have spent more time with the Andorians. If they were going to do their stupid time travel thing they should have either made it last a lot longer and spent a lot less time with it, or wrapped it up a year earlier. But who didn't love the Andorians?
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A 9 month delay on a TV series mean scrapping a lot of stuff. At a guess Days of our Lives in space, day time soap opera for broad, more accurately female appeal, bombed really badly with test audiences, day time soap opera viewers hated it and sci fi aficionados absolutely loathed it. SJWs loved what was in it but hated to watch it and believed they could force other people to watch it, it's their self serving nature. It seems to be all they can produce now, the last series of Dr Who was crap, just went stupid, dropped sci fi to go day time soap opera, stopped watching half way through the season, likely the same crap done to Discovery. This weird attempt to normalise their disturbed personal behaviour and force it on the rest of us, genital mutilation and arbitrary sexual relations, the narcissists must be served, the entirety of society must be warped to make fit their personal insanities, normalise the abnormal and call the normal, what was it again, oh yeah deplorables, white male privilege deplorables.
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From what I saw, they are trying to change too much. We typically don't appreciate "Re-imaginings" of such an established universe... Klingons should look like Klingons. Seems like they are trying to sell it to a new generation too much, and ignoring the existing fan base, which is IMMENSE. This is probably going to backfire.
A white klingon would look weird, but a green andorian would look completely alien.
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DS9 was the best Trek show ever. It was the only one where the characters acted like anything remotely resembling real people.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Well you certainly are trying to prove it. Do you think your post has anything but trolling?
The push for diversity, as Marvel has found, can't come at the expense of your target audience. I would also counter than ST:TNG, Voyager & Deep Space Nine had no diversity problem at all - I wasn't a fan of Voyager but I loved ST:TNG & Deep Space Nine. You can bow to the pressure of these fringe groups, but they are NOT the ones that are going to watch the shows. Look at GhostBusters. They got exactly what they asked for (plus a shitty script) and...those very people failed to support it. That's pretty much been the story. Look at Black Panther & The Crew. Quickly cancelled because...no one was interested. No one reads comics for that sort of political crap. I can watch the news if I want that garbage.
The bottom line: It's about the money. If comics/movies about [pick your favorite PC flavor of the month] made them money, I PROMISE you they'd be all over it. If they come on with a solid stories and good acting, ST:D (HAHAHAHHAHA) will do fine. I simply have no faith the scripts will also not be a bunch of political PC BS.
The other death knell is hijacking it to their streaming service. I don't plan to watch it regardless of where it broadcasts but I certainly am not going to sub to CBS to see it.
The original Star Trek only ran for 3 seasons, but created a *HUGE* following, and led to several movies, a few of which were actually good. TNG was a reboot and it lasted for 7 seasons, and also had a HUGE following. It followed the same formula, and it did great!
A season when TOS was made was 26 episodes with a new season every year. A "modern" season is 13 episodes with a new season every year and a half.
"His name was James Damore."
> day time soap opera for broad, more accurately female appeal,
May I congratulate you on the number of levels in that comment? It caught my eye.
DS9 was my favourite of the trek shows.
It didn't start out that way though. I initially thought it would bomb horribly, and it did start slow..... but then suddenly years had passed and I couldn't imagine the trek universe without Sisko, Kira, Jadzia, Odo, Julian, etc.
is just to not release it.
The push for diversity, as Marvel has found, can't come at the expense of your target audience.
Marvel found that "pushing for diversity" isnt a good business model, that those loud people that think something is wrong unless every single box is checked... are a minority.
"His name was James Damore."
I love DS9. The characters have depth, and the writers didn't treat each one as if they existed in a vacuum. They might have focused more on a particular individual for a specific episode, but the rest of the characters would still be believably intertwined in the story.
Also, it had well-written and well-acted antagonists - that tends to make a show stronger (just like how the best Bond movies always had strong villains). Gul Dukat was complicated, conflicted, and amazing. Weyoun wasn't quite as deep, but Jeffrey Combs sold it (he also may have been the best thing about Enterprise). The Founders were evil and awful, but as you learned more you could see how they were driven down that path.
I also really liked the way they wrote Benjamin and Jake Cisco. They weren't just father and son for the sake of the occasional plot line - they had a relationship which felt real (something TNG couldn't manage with Worf and Alexander).
It seems like the main complaint I hear about DS9 is that some people just don't like long story arcs... but I'm not one of those people.
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I've been trying to be positive and be somewhat opened minded about Discovery. But at the end of the day I just can't give a damn about another prequel as is. But I also just don't care about this period of the Federations history. And while I'm not upset at the idea of some re-imagining of how species look I have to say the new look for the Klingon's is just terrible. It makes me think so much of the really bad Wing Commander movie and how the Kilrathi looked nothing like how they did in the games.
They didn't drop Kes, she left the show and came back for one or two episodes.
DS9 got good when it stopped being a show peddling simplistic morality.
In a way some might argue that this new show is starting off on that same foot given the SJW involvement. After all, simplistic morality is what the SJW's claim to represent (they dont know that what they think is simplistic.)
Consider the phrase "it goes without saying"
The SJW's feel the need to say the things that go without saying, constantly. Every waking moment is dedicated to projecting those things that go without saying.
If someone walked around saying "you can trust me" all the time, are they trustworthy?
If someone projects that they arent racists, sexists, or homophobes all the time, are they really?
Its the same thing. A false front.
"His name was James Damore."
Hey, I want to be outraged! Don't bring your facts into this!
22-26 episode seasons seems to be an aspect of the US production model though. And while it works fine for episodic shows, when there's a degree of continuing storyline, they tend to drag a little during the mid-season. I prefer it when they have shorter seasons and a more compact story. If they can give us more variety, I'm happy with that too.
the fan made series are better than glossy network produced shows. The latest episode of Continues was spot on with a plot that left Kirk between a rock and hard place holding to the prime directive, or saving an entire race of people, well worth the free. (as in beer), viewing.
https://player.vimeo.com/video...
This labor of love is by far the best spin on the ST universe.
Well, one of the biggest selling franchises has an ensemble cast composed almost entirely of minorities. That's actually one of the reasons The Fast and The Furious movies do so well.
Is this news about the fact that it was delayed until September? Surely we knew about this back in January.
The article is awful but if you trudge through it, they are talking about the previously announced delay that got made known some months ago. There is no additional delay at all. The show will still debut in late September as scheduled. My understanding is that there will be a split season with something like 7 or so episodes shown this year, a gap of some months as they do special effects and such on the remaining episodes, and then sometime in 2018 they will show the final episodes of the season.
I did a post comparing the number of white male to non-white or non-male characters in Discovery a while back. Can't find the link now but basically it's 50% of the cast is white male.
TOS was over 70% white male. TNG was more balanced, about 50% depending on who you count as being part of the main cast.
Picard - white male
Riker - white male
Troi - white female
Crusher, B. - white female
Crusher, W. - white male
LeForge - black male
Worf - black male
Data - white male
So really Discovery is not at all radical or unusual for Trek, in fact it's the same as it was back in 1987, 30 years ago. I'm not saying that's bad or anything, just pointing out that Discovery isn't some "PC bullshit" or whatever, unless you also consider other Trek series to be the same in which case maybe Trek isn't the franchise for you.
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Why do they keep calling it "Star Trek returns to TV" when it's an internet streaming show, rather than on the actual broadcast network?
From all the comments here, seems like I'm not the only one who feels Discovery will suck. Maybe the execs at CBS/Paramount are trying to attract a different crowd - trying to rope in new viewers that would have not originally viewed the previous television series, and at the same time capture to a limited degree the older/true ST fan base because we have no choice. Nothing has happened in over 10 years so "we'll accept anything". I too feel the same way about Abrams ruining the feel of ST with the movies. Seems like this show is emulating that. The loyal fan base is with TOS, TNG, DS9, some degree with Voyager and maybe Enterprise. I've only read a little about the show and viewed the trailer and I felt really let down as a fan. It's seems to me perhaps it would be a tough thing to resurrect a TNG/DS9 style of show because "it's been done" - but frankly with all the television I've witnessed for the past 15 years, I would welcome having this style brought back - as nothing much has really captured my attention besides, Breaking Bad. Hopefully I'm wrong about the show.
You liked Jake Cisco? All of you other points are now invalid.
Nog at least had some interesting roles to play. The whole Prophets story arc was painful. They did have some good character development, probably because they had to given the space station environment. Anyway I didn't hate DS9, but there were a lot of episodes I could pass on, namely anything to do with the Prophets or that had Jake as the central character.
I don't think the issue is the diversity in itself, for the very reasons you specify. Roddenberry had Uhura as a bridge officer, and she was treated as the part of the senior staff she was, well respected by her fellow officers. Chekhov might have been a white male, but having a Russian pilot the ship in the 60's was still a bold statement since everyone was scared of the Russians at the time. Right behind that was having a Japanese man in charge of tactical with WWII, Pearl Harbor, and internment camps all having been in living memory at the time. The fact that these people having roles were treated as non-issues was arguably the boldest statement he made. The interracial kiss was one episode, the "white on the left side" situation was one episode, but the respect shown by Kirk to people who were arguably unemployable in the time period they were shown as senior officers was illustrated throughout the series.
I'm holding out to see what they do, because it can go one of two ways. In Doctor Who, Martha was an excellent companion - well written, strong, caring, independent, and incidentally a black female. They went through several seasons where neither her race nor sex were a point of contention. She just galavanted around the universe with The Doctor, taking down Daleks and Cybermen, and overall being awesome while being treated as an equal by the Doctor and most of the people he interacted with. Vastra and Jenny, same deal - lesbian married couple, dealt with in an effective manner, but a great example of being 'characters first' since every episode with them is great. Bill, by contrast, had some highly memorable scenes (I indeed got misty eyed when she said "I waited for you"), but they spared few opportunities for her to point out that she was black and/or lesbian and that people in the past might have an issue with that, and how terrible it was that hundreds of years ago, this was a problem.
If the characters are written closer to TOS, or with the mindset of how Martha was written, then I don't think it will be that big of a deal. If Discovery has its characters and stories focused on how a lack of perfect diversity in every possible arena makes one worse than a puppy killer, I think its appeal will be more limited.
Seriously does anybody want this? I don't see the demand for a new Star Trek series at this time and particularly not a new Star Trek series that is going to be on a new pay service without any other content worth paying for to speak of. I'm 52 years old. I was born in 1965 and from what I've been told I have been watching Star Trek since I was in the cradle. Now to date I think I've watched upwards of 720 episodes of Star Trek and I've watched 13 feature films. I loved it at times, cringed at it here and there, and basically I've had my fill of Star Trek. Sometimes it's enough already and like the security guys at the end of "The Truman Show" you want to know what else is on. I'm tired of Star Trek so I wasn't going to watch this anyway.
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Your capacities, path, opportunities, drives, and circumstances are not universal constants.
So your "I've been there" is bound to be inaccurate for others, and any general conclusions you draw about those other people from such a presumption are bound to be flawed.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
I think you hit the nail on the head - the whole DS9 series was about faith and religion.
That's both the reason why it alienated a bunch of strictly secular trekkies, and why it was so much more interesting and deep that any of the other ST franchises.
Now, to be clear, I'm a full-on god-does-not-exist atheist, but understanding that a vast majority (sadly) of humanity does believe in supernatural dogma, means that when you exclude faith and religion, you lose a great part of the human story.
TNG had a better actor, OS had a better captain :)
Good science fiction (maybe intermittent at times) is what fans want. If you can pump it up with season arcs and more social development (no relation) all the better.
I can forgive barking Klingons in skeleton zoot suits if the stories are good. (The golden glow sepia stuff needs to go though.)
When's Orville starting?
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I understand and I continue to watch and read science fiction as well but I just no longer feel like that must include Star Trek. Granted nobody else is getting much done right now but Star Trek, whether it's the new movies or the trailer for this series just strikes me as something I've already seen. It's time to look for something different for me at least and if I'm any indication of what the older fans are thinking then they may have realized that it needs a longer hiatus than they thought. Admittedly the new movies aren't helping matters. Those things are flat out idiotic.
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> There is only one formula that works.
Oh I must protest. TOS and TNG followed the same basic formula and were great and I love both of them, but DS9 is my favorite series over and above that, and it's not because of the Defiant. It's because of the scope and what happened when the rubber of Federation ideals hit the road of a hostile frontier that pushed back hard. TNG was great but if I had one criticism of it, it would be that idealism pretty much always won out, with a few scattered exceptions. DS9 showed how under true pressure how fragile that idealism really was, especially the latter seasons, and that made for more realistic storytelling IMO. It also made it that when idealism did win, it seemed to mean more.
Last night (8/2), CBS was still advertising and promoting a Sept 20th date.
Maybe, that's just for the series premier with the series itself being delayed?
Black Chair Racism. None of the characters of color could sit down in their own space. Geordie? No Chair. Guinan? Forced to stand all day. Worf!? The ONLY character on the bridge not to have a place to sit down. The Federation Plantation. That's all I have to say.
We need another Star Trek like we need a hole in the head. I'll watch "The Orville" this fall instead. It'll be far more entertaining. Guaranteed.
Just watched Episode 9 "What Ships Are For" based on your comment and -- wow -- well done!
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I agree -- Trek at its very best.
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
The series premiere will broadcast on CBS Sept. 24. 2017 Immediately following, the first and second episodes will stream on CBS All Access. New episodes going forward will be available on Sundays.
this news is soooooo old, they have come out with 2 trailers since the delay