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GoDaddy Expels Neo-Nazi Site Over Article On Charlottesville Victim (bbc.co.uk)
Reader Big Hairy Ian writes: Web hosting company GoDaddy has given a US neo-Nazi site 24 hours to find another provider after it disparaged a woman who died in protests in Virginia. The Daily Stormer published a piece denigrating Heather Heyer, who was killed on Saturday after a car rammed into a crowd protesting at a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville. GoDaddy had faced calls to remove the white supremacist site as a result. The web host said the Daily Stormer had violated its terms of service. "We informed the Daily Stormer that they have 24 hours to move the domain to another provider, as they have violated our terms of service," GoDaddy said in a statement on Twitter. Previously, some web users had called on GoDaddy to remove the site -- including women's rights campaigner Amy Siskind. Violence broke out in Charlottesville, Virginia, after white supremacists organised a controversial far-right march called "Unite the Right".
Corporations should not have opinions on social matters. I would sue GoDaddy with extreme prejudice if I was this lady. For one million or more.
And nothing of value was lost.
Mr. Hu is not a ninja.
As usual, leftists want to censor things rather than refute them. The greatest enemy to free speech in the world is leftists. If you can refute someone, speak up and do it, even if the speech is disagreeable, such as white supremacy.
This isn't a First Amendment issue.
GoDaddy has the right to toss anyone off of their service for violating their Terms of Service.
Mr. Hu is not a ninja.
Enough said. Politics aside, they are still a horrible host for the money.
She's dead you brain dead plank and its the right wing site being expelled. Never mind following the news, you apparently can't even read 2 sentences properly.
Yep, this post will give the racist slahsdotters to come out of their holes ... let's try a pre-emptive point or two.
- If you cry 'many sides', you are supporting the racists.
- All of the protestors were there to support racism and other vile ideologies. Most were prepared for violence, many were violent.
- The counter-protestors were there in opposition to the vile scum. Some were violent. Most were not.
- The young lady who was killed was demonstrating peacefully.
after white supremacists organised a controversial far-right march called "Unite the Right".
"I know I will be modded down for this": where's the option '-1, Asking for it'?
Can godaddy get sued discrimination / censorship?
Now what if they banned votetrump.com ?
Or banned an anti H1B website ?
The alt right killed this woman and injured many others for excercising her right to free speech against their genocidal policies.
The google computer programmer was simply fired, which will generate more outrage?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?... I was a child when I first saw this movie and the Nazis seemed like a surreal element to me at the time, why would there be Nazis here in America when we had a big ol' war to defeat them? It seemed even sillier than the guys with rebel flags painted on their barn roof here above the Mason Dixon line.
this the road to banning free speech!
Now can say comcast ban websites talking about network neutrality as they hurt there views?
They have the right of that as they want, including doing the same to anyone else who uses their service. Right there in their ToS. Maybe next time it'll be someone else, because they wrote a blog post and the next moral outrage will be misogyny.
But let's not forget some things, she was an idiot. She went out of her way to jump on the back of the car and got killed because of it. Search the videos and pictures if you want to actually see it. Why? Who knows. GoDaddy had no problems with having them for years, but now it's suddenly a moral outrage. And there's a whole lot of really weird shit going on with the entire thing, everything from the "nazi's" showing up with their brand new flags with creases on them. To the police being ordered to stand down. And then the UTR which had a permit, being funneled into a group of antifa who further attacked them. Or that the police were sitting on their hands, doing nothing, nor separating the crowds.
Not to mention the absolute freakout by the media, and left calling for this to be "domestic terrorism" and blaming the "alt-right" or "neo-nazis" or "white nationalists" whatever the catch phrase is in this news cycle. I've even seen media flapping heads claiming that this was all because gamergate. But, a muslim guns down a bunch of gay's, but it's "not all muslims." Yeah, just fuck that whole thing you sacks of shit.
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what about discrimination laws?
Let's say EA does not like an website talking about poor working conditions??
Or say jay's hosting cuts off a site talking about how bad that 80 hour work weeks are at jay's hosting!
We've been through this before. Some of you younger Slashdotters may not be old enough to have had a parent who was alive in the 1940s.
There's only one way to deal with Nazis.
You are welcome on my lawn.
I have long said that, in the west, the biggest censorship issue is private company not wanting certain speec and thuis relegating offline where it can die or spread the rot unbeknown. I feel split on the issue , my anti nazi side feels happy that the daily stormer get dinged, but my anti censorship side see the clear problem here.
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who shut down the speech anyone who disagrees with them.
(This is sarcasm, but it's sad that I have to label it as such here.)
I'm torn on this one. On the one hand, what the people behind that site did is beyond reprehensible and they should seriously be ashamed of their actions. On the other hand, I think it creates kind of a dangerous precedent when things like this happen. As vile, disgusting, and any other negative adjective you care to use, the content was... in this country people have the right to express their opinions however dumb, idiotic, offensive, or misguided it may be.
If there were a public domain registrar that would take any and all applicants, except those advocating for some violation of the law (like a violent overthrow of the government or an ISIS recruiting site), fine, but when you basically have to go through private companies and those companies can arbitrarily enforce an arbitrary set of rules that they alone can modify any time they want and you are either required to accept or leave... that rubs me the wrong way. There's idiots on both extremes of the political spectrum that are always looking to silence views that they don't agree with and this sort of thing just hands them a win, so they redouble their efforts.
Given the fact it is an actual neo-nazi website, they probably don't have exactly a good case here.
Stormer is not exactly your provocateur right wing breitbart thing.
> what about discrimination laws?
To which nazi-protection law are you referring? I'm unaware of it.
Before you say "First Amendment," I'll point out that that response would make you an idiot.
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Surprised that none of the conservative voices I see often on this site who are willing to defend Trump and the GOP aren't complaining about this. What's the difference between Trump and the Alt-Racist movement? If you defend one, you're defending the other.
You would have to prove that you were denied service based on membership in a protected class.
In your example, complaining about one's workplace (a hosting agency) causing your site to be removed from being hosted by that agency is not, legally speaking, discrimination. That is, you didn't lose hosting services there because of your race, age, religion, etc.
Now, it's probably a stupid thing for them to do in your example, due to things like the Streisand Effect, but it's not discrimination as laid out in your example.
Mr. Hu is not a ninja.
This entire mess is an embarrassment for everybody involved. The best course of action is to stay as far away as possible from it. If only people would give half this effort into actual useful stuff instead of political nonsense maybe this world would be a better place to live. Maybe. It still baffles me how can grown-ups engage themselves in such worthless confrontations even when history shows it only leads to tragedies time and time again. Will our race ever learn to appreciate peace and quiet?
wah wah wah my rights have been violated. No they haven't, snowflake. GoDaddy has the right to set its terms of service. If you don't like them, find another provider. If you violate them, GoDaddy has the right to kick you off. Nothing to do with censorship, only the government can censor.
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You are welcome on my lawn.
But we know that Islamofacists and Islamist extremism is okay, right?
These new-age NAZI socialists/fascists are right in line with the left-wing democrat KKK that love authoritarians and hate freedom.
GoDaddy is well known for trying to censor free speech.
Hi,
I suggest you look for the Opening Arguments Podcast episode 64 and 65 on issues of free speech (other podcasts and sources are available :) )
There are several tests to be made when judging on free discrimination cases, it depends on states laws, YMMV, etc. As that guy began to point out there are groups that are protected under the law, and some other groups are not deemed by the lawmaker as requiring such protection.
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Fine! I'll go start my own media^W hosting provider. With confederates and NAZIs!
oh God, Bender, I am sorry for that...
When some bakery refused to cater a gay wedding things looked very differently. Suddenly a private business cannot chose who they do business with.
"It's OK when we do it." - the left
Imagine if someone advocated for killing people without trail, of people who might at some point in the future pose a threat to a member of his tribe. Further suppose they actually did kill some of these people along with a number of other people. Then after killing these other people they disparaged some of these people by saying they were male, between 13 and 60, so they deserved it. Should we block this person and people like them from the internet? Should GoDaddy expel any sites that regularly reprint what this person says?
Depends on the judge. It's a Cold Civil War in America now (and has been for awhile). The law is only applied when tested in court; and the outcome depends on which side holds authority.
Life is not for the lazy.
Does anyone know how are expired domain names being management? I have recently let an old domain name expire. My hosting provider kept it during some days after the expiration, but now it is parked at godaddy.com (not my hosting provider). Has someone already bought that domain name via GoDaddy (?! anyone interested in it should have contacted me before, I guess) or is that a normal proceeding among hosting providers (buying/selling expired domain names)?
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what about discrimination laws?
What about them?
All businesses are free to discriminate against people for any reason whatsoever, unless the reason is on the short list of protected classes (age, gender, religion, etc.)
A business can refuse you service just because they don't like the clothes you wear, the car you drive, your hair color, or even just because they're in a bad mood.
replace nazi with paying women less then men and see what happens when you try to do censorship to that?
What when apple did censorship on Pulitzer Prize-winning cartoons or stuff that deals with ethical challenges of smartphone manufacturing, including conflict minerals, environmental waste, and troubled labor practices
When it comes to riots between otherwise obsolete and ignored bigots and counter protestors, and the ensuing mayhem, I think it's important to remember one phrase: Do not feed the trolls.
The best thing that ever happened to racist red-necks is Charlottesville. They reminded the world that they still exist, and while they cannot hold a job or participate in civilized society (and evidently are quite bitter about it), they demonstrate that they manage to eke out an existence on the fringes. That in turn will give some young red necklet hope for his future. Don't be a part of that. Ignore them, move on and leave them behind. Most of them will never change, but the young and mutable can weigh the life they will have to lead as a professionally oppressed white man against just living a life, and I have a feeling make better choices for themselves, mostly.
Do not feed the trolls.
Why did all the European car attacks get posted but not Charlottesville????
They were mostly just a bunch of cucks. From the way they got their asses handed to them there weren't any real rednecks in the bunch, just a lot of college boys living off Daddy's money.
Go-Daddy is free to define it's TOS and enforce their rules as they see fit.
I'm not so sure they (go-daddy) are not over reacting to the events over the weekend, but I support their right to TOS a customer (or group of customers) if they choose to. I suppose they *might* be sued if they don't apply their rules equally, but that's not the question here.
And before someone tries to advocate that this is a 1st amendment violation, it's clearly not. The 1st amendment applies to the government's suppression of speech (and religion). Go-Daddy is NOT part of the government, they are a corporation. The government cannot suppress speech (with in defined limits of course), but Go Daddy can refuse you service if they whish, especially if, as is this case, it would affect their ability to service their other customers and the reason is covered in their TOS.
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I think people who show up to "counter-protest" these neo-Nazis are only feeding into the neo-Nazi narrative of left-wing oppression and (ultimately) violence.
All the counter protesters do is encourage press coverage, which in turn gives the Nazis the attention they crave, possibly even attracting the sympathies of people who would otherwise never consider any kind of White Nationalist agenda. I guarantee you there are now a bunch of armchair types who are sympathetic to the Nazis now.
The only other thing they do is stroke their own egos for "fighting back" and "taking a stand against Nazis". You're not changing the opinions of Nazis by counter-protesting, nor are you "stopping" any kind of fledgling Nazi movement.
They have been beating people up, for certain. But the murders will happen soon. Street violence radicalizes both sides. What will be your excuse then?
You idiots really need to read up on what Germany was like in the late 20s, early 30s. Hitler was not a foregone conclusion. The Communists could have won that fight just as easily and we would have been talking about a Soviet Germany. I'm not suggesting a conclusion that I would have found more desirable. I'm suggesting that they were strategically outmaneuvered, similar to how the Left in the US is continuously strategically outmaneuvered and ultimately loses all their fights.
The truth is that Hitler was a palatable alternative - someone who could hold the Right radicals together while having reasonable military bonafides that the conservative elites could tolerate. A key element of this was the ability of the Nazi brownshirts to at least hold their own and mostly best the KPD (German Communist) and Social Democrat paramilitary organizations. If Hitler could control the streets more or less, marshal a reasonable voting bloc and promise that he wouldn't upset the military-industrial complex in Germany...that's why he won.
Now translate that to today's political situation. A key constituent of this is fear amongst the general populace about their safety. In a certain way, the Fake News media is exacerbating the situation beyond all reasonableness and making totalitarianism a likely outcome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
By making editorial judgements on the websites you host, you've just lost safe harbour protection.
I look forward to the lawsuits that will follow.
The old terms are over-simplistic and may not be appropriate for all situations. Whether they believe in big gov't, small gov't, or purple gov't, they are "pro-Caucasian". That's the one thing they have in common; although each group may define it differently. For example, some are for mere separation of "races", saying mixing doesn't work and see the US being "polluted" by outside culture, while others claim Caucasians are genetically superior and therefore deserve to dominate.
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...every bit of content they are part of serving.
This kind of short-term virtue signaling on the part of a corporation is going to have long-term consequences, when people use this precedent to make them responsible for every shitlord post ever made on anything they're connected to.
Next thing you know, they'll be coming after GoDaddy for comments on articles, and naughty memes.
Think about how lucky we are that the Nazis won those fights. Had the Communists won, we would be living with an entire Communist Europe now because the leadership of America at the time (along with many since) was enamored with Communism and Uncle Joe.
The best thing that ever happened to racist red-necks is Charlottesville.
This corporate virtue signalling is another win for them as well.
Wouldn't a gay couple prefer to give their business to a cake maker that supports gays and likewise don't give business to anti-gay cake makers?
Perhaps a stereotype but would imagine that finding a cake maker that would want a gay or straight wedding cake business should not be so difficult in an industry with fairly low barriers to entry. So why fret over something so minor that can be worked around , it is just a cake. Wedding venues could be a larger conflict that followed finding an alternative more difficult.
Think hate speech not part of free speech but not exactly an expert on this subject. Don't know if web-site in question even applies. Plus net neutrality- which might support the undesired site right to exist, if no alternatives readily available.
Call for the extermination of a race and no one bats an eye
Call a woman fat and everyone loses their minds
They have been beating people up,
Because we have idiot politicians that tell the police to not intervene. Both in Berkeley and in Charlotesville. If the cops were allowed to keep the two groups separate and put down any violence before it erupts into a mob scene we wouldn't have this shit so common.
They do. But they are also the legislature (creating rules), judiciary (determining, whether a rule is broken), and executive (acting on such determination) at once. Whether their action is sincere, or simply seeking to avoid boycotts and/or DOSing, they are wrong.
I do hate Daily Stormer with passion — since 2014, when they dismissed all of Ukraine's figures as "Jews" — if GoDaddy was Ok with them before, there is no reason to kick them out now.
Certainly not with such haste... 24 hours to move a site? Ridiculous...
The massive outrage about this is curiously selective. The "alt-right" are blamed for the violence even though they held their gathering and were attacked by the counter-protesters, who've been viciously violent before. All of the reports about the car charging into a crowd mention "melees" and "skirmishes" already occurring prior to that in passing. Oh, that's because someone died? Well, there were politically-motivated attacks with a deadly weapon before — sheer luck, that asshole merely injured his victims.
Lastly, much as the Nazist symbols and racism annoy me, they clearly have no real following and thus pose little danger. Meanwhile, the symbols of Communists and other hate-groups (like Black Lives Matter) were also on display and those, despite being far deadlier, do not seem to outrage anyone...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
...is some of the most brutal bastard ideology. As soon as they rule, they aim to root out any competing ideology-religion.
The fact that the lefties support them is a simple matter of "enemy of my enemy is my friend". As soon as the Mohammedists rule, they will dispose of the lefties with all the brutishness required. Like dropping them off roofs, throwing acid in their faces and of course circumcision of women.
THAT is what the Antifa thugs fight for.
Don't be a part of that. Ignore them, move on and leave them behind.
Yeah, because that worked so well in Germany in the 30s.
And the Democratic Party was supporting slavery in the 19th century — and still had a KKK "Grand Wizard" among it Senators until his recent death.
Whether it is "the same" or not, it is openly violent and favors the ever-increasing government control of the means of production. Which makes them very very Fascist.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Antifa, BLM, KKK, Nazis, they are all just different acts in the same Shit Show. They are all extremists and bigots who think the other side has no right to express an opinion, or even live.
You, focusing on "rednecks" are also exhibiting a bigoted opinion.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Especially considering the rampage of the Commies in Russia BEFORE 1933. From 1917 on, the commies slaughtered millions in Russia. Hitler's teachers were Uljanov and Tshershinsky. And the teachers of those were the thugs who murdered in scores in France 1789.
Don't fall for these brutish bastards who think they are "good" because they fight Nazis. Many of them (especially the ANTIFA thugs) are just mobsters who work for international corporations and banksters these days.
Long live the memory of General Franco, who rooted out the threat in his country. He was NOT a fascist, but of course the lefties label him like that. Spain would have been a second Russia with millions killed in cold blood without the General discharging his duties properly.
If you have only a single dimension of politics and it is "left-rigjht", then you are quite naive.
Nazis and Commies share a lot, which you can see in the name "National Sozialistisch". Hitler was a revolutionary like Lenin and equally brutish. But for some fscking reason you can be a commie fanboy and have a career. Why ???
You might want to read up on Uljanov and Tshershinsky who are in the same class of murdering as Hitler. Don't fudge the facts, just because the newspapers are filled with lefty sympathizers or because Google leadership leans leftish.
Thugs are thugs because of what they do. Not because they have or have not nice propaganda on their side.
I don't understand, where's the Net Neutrality crowd to excoriate Godaddy?
I think that counter protests to things like this are good. You could make just as much argument that if no one shows up that these's idiots will feel emboldened or as though the whole country agrees with them but are just too scared to come out and join them. To some degree no matter what you do, people in groups like that are going to look to rationalize any action at all to feed the internal narrative they've constructed.
However, I think counter protests should be a lot more clever. You can't really fight groups like this using a fire with fire type of approach. Instead you need to do something that mocks them while making them feel their demonstration is counter-productive. Here's a news article about how one German town handled a similar march/demonstration a few years back. Just watch the video included in the article and see how deflated a lot of those people look.
We have the freedom to enter this into /etc/hosts:
127.0.0.1 google.com
127.0.0.1 www.google.com
There is yandex, there is YaCY and there is bing. Why support the crypto-communists who want to erect their global do-gooder-tyranny ?
Stallman is right, the corporations are about dominating people and of course they first want to dominate their employees. FUCK THAT !
Unfortunately, "putting down violence" requires violence. Some times brutal violence.
The brutal violence, which, however necessary and unavoidable, would be on Twitter, Facebook and YouTube within seconds — shot from the angles and edited for emphasizing the brutality while hiding, what made it necessary and unavoidable.
We are the idiots, and our politicians reflect that... Especially, Democratic politicians, I might add...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
The lefties call for rules when it suites them. They whine about the rules when they benefit somebody else.
In short, lefties hate rules. Especially those who enable open discussion and fair balance of interests. They are mafia scumbags, face it.
And nothing changes by the fact that lots of globalist-internationalist corporations USE the lefties for their purposes.
* Block all Communist websites, too. They murdered at least as many as the Nazis
* Ban quite a few of your Anglo poster boy "authors". They were communist murderers, too.
* Watch out what the corporations have in stock for you, as soon as the American nation has been erased.
* Outlaw Mohammedism, because it is also an ideology of "convert or kill". Which they have proven time and again.
False equivalency - the fascists would deny rights or even life itself to groups of people, antifa are counter protesting those who support genocide, there is no moral gray area here.
We're not talking about obama. We're talking about how much you love nazis.
Please let's stay on topic.
That is not correct. See Pruneyard Shopping Center v. Robins. Scotus said, per Wikipedia: "...under the California Constitution, individuals may peacefully exercise their right to free speech in parts of private shopping centers regularly held open to the public..."
Attention is not their fuel. Hatred is their fuel. Ignoring them will not stop their hatred.
That same young and mutable you fear could just as easily think, "They must be OK because nobody's saying otherwise". Instead, the young and mutable need to see everyone saying "this is not acceptable".
Don't be a Corporatist Pussy:
1. Run your own Raspberry PI based Server at you DSL line
2. Stop using Facebook, Google, Twitter. They are all evil corporations in cahoots with the ANTIFA thugs who have Gulags instead of Konzentrationslager for you. It kills just as nicely and massively. See Russia and China,
3. Use GNUpg. Why have Zuckerbug in the loop ?
4. Use Linux or the BSDs. Why buy a NSA operating system like Windows, complete with key logger ???
5. Use YaCY, bing and yandex instead of Crypt Communist Google.
Your Utopia is big unregulated corporations censoring and shutting down opposition and firing people.
Not true. The water company can't cut you off because they don't like your politics. Some companies are considered common carriers and thus must operate under the same non-discrimination boundaries as the government.
Here's why. There was only one Horst Wessel, but millions of stormtroopers. All with his song on their lips. These 'unemployables' will provide moral (I am aware of the irony there) support to many times their number of believers that the "inclusive" Left is the bane of their existence and should be violently thwarted. They serve their purpose in raising the temperature in the already hothouse political environment.
I mean, if you urban bubble people want to keep your heads firmly thrust within it and fail to acknowledge the lessons of history, go right ahead, but there's going to be a shocking revelation to you in the not too distant future.
True, I didn't mention common carriers and the like. But GoDaddy (or any other webhosting company) doesn't fall under any of those classifications.
No it isn't.
cannot hold a job or participate in civilized society (and evidently are quite bitter about it), they demonstrate that they manage to eke out an existence on the fringes
Urm, I though they had white privilege... I'm told they all live in easy mode where the world steps aside and provides them with every benefit of the doubt.
Can AT&T deny an actual neo-nazi access to a phone line? Either the internet is necessary for modern convenience and must be protected as such or it isn't which makes the arguments for net neutrality very weak.
GOP well known stances-
They reduced government and taxes?
They freed the slaves?
They gave equal rights to minorities?
They gave women the right to vote?
I don't remember the Nazis doing any of those things.
I DO remember them increasing government size, putting people into slavery, and oppressing minorities. All things the DNC has a long history of doing. Or are you attempting to rewrite history so you can oppress people and claim it is for the greater good?
And right-wing murder is the ultimate in censorship.
Have you even seen some of vile spew from the antifa? Their hate is just as despicable as that of the facists. Your "no equivalency" is bullshit
It's telling that the alt-right's narrative has shifted from "we are not bad guys" to "well everyone else is just as bad".
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I've been again and again from rad lefts that "trump supporters and chauvinists will just disappear". I wonder what did they mean.
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Giving them 24 hours of grace period kindof defeats the purpose of the act, right? The site can operate without interruption, moreover, the Streisand effect may multiply the traffic for those 24 hours, which GoDaddy should've known ahead. Why do something this half-hearted?
So, to you, pointing out that Antifa is just as bad as those they claim to be fighting means that the writer is part of the "alt-right:".
You are a fucking bigot. You are the embodiment of, "Us vs. Them".
What? Are you part of Antifa? Have you stood in the road shouting that it is your street?
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Five Dead Cops would probably disagree with you. But some Leftist Extremist shot them dead.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Comparing BLM to KKK and nazis gets you a 5: insightful...everythings allrightee there! BTW do you really believe what you write ?!?
National Socialists were not leftists, not communists, but right wing thugs.
It would have if everybody had ignored them. How famous would the man be if everyone turned their backs instead of cheering him on and supporting him. What is a dictator without an army? The followers are a bigger problem than the leaders.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
As long as GoDaddy is removing all hosted sites that violate their terms of service, including any far right or far left wing sites.
Because like Twitter if they are just banning speech they don't like, this is clearly a first amendment issue. Once you've made yourself part of the public square you have to accept all comers that don't violate your terms of service.
And I know for a fact there are sites GoDaddy is hosting that advocate for far leftist take over of the government and violence against anyone who disagrees with them.
If they are unemployed, it's usually because they had been undercut by cheaper labor from South America, jobs have been offshored or that affirmative action policies block them from government and other public sector jobs. That in itself drives the racism.
There are those people in the USA and UK who think globalism and austerity measures are a good idea because it keeps prices down, or rather the overhead of wage demands down.
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They have been beating people up, for certain. But the murders will happen soon.
Oooh. In addition to beating up thousands, the Fascists have been murdering people for decades. Heck, this very article is about one such murder. Beating up Fascists is self defense of a very self restraining (thus anti-American) kind. A true American would actual shoot Fascists at sight. Are you no true American?
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
The socialist part of the name was a ruse to gain power, after gaining power the socialists were purged and the rightest Nazis committed the atrocities.
Sued by WHOM? Anybody suing them on behalf of Nazis identifies themselves as Nazis themselves, which I would hope is a severe career-limiting move!
Not a First Amendment issue, because the government is not involved. And yes, ISPs are not common carriers, they fight that battle continuously. But think very hard about the precedent that this sets. If public outcry can cut off this web site - despicable as it may be - then other public outcry can cut off Planned Parenthood's web site. How many articles here on /. have been about an ISP or email service or web host suddenly terminating someone's service, or banks refusing to handle credit cards for (e.g.) medical marijuana dispensaries? Do you want the phone companies to be able to turn off someone's service because of what someone says over the phone? (And how would they know, unless they're constantly monitoring, even if only computers listening in for keywords?) Blacklisting someone from having web hosting could lead to blacklisting someone from having a phone number. AND OF COURSE the people most likely to abuse these kinds of powers are the restrictive right-wing types like the current administration.
If they are unemployed, it's usually because they had been undercut by cheaper labor from South America, jobs have been offshored or that affirmative action policies block them from government and other public sector jobs. That in itself drives the racism.
There are those people in the USA and UK who think globalism and austerity measures are a good idea because it keeps prices down, or rather the overhead of wage demands down.
So you're saying two out of the three reasons driving racism is capitalism?
That in turn will give some young red necklet hope for his future. Don't be a part of that. Ignore them, move on and leave them behind. Most of them will never change, but the young and mutable can weigh the life they will have to lead as a professionally oppressed white man against just living a life, and I have a feeling make better choices for themselves, mostly.
The problem I have here is that, from what I'm seeing, the "red-necks" and other conservatives in this country are the ones having all the kids, along with immigrants and their kids. In short, the educated white liberals aren't having very many. I predict this is going to lead to disaster in 1-3 decades. The liberal plan seems to basically boil down to hoping that the conservatives' kids will see the light and join them, but while that'll work for some, it'll probably be a minority, and we're going to end up with an absolutely huge number of angry racists in the more rural and conservative regions screaming for white nationalist fascism.
I give the USA 20 years, 30 tops, as a unified country.
You are allowing yourself to be used as a tool by the very people you view as oppressing you. Look objectively at all the the radicalization taking place and simply ask yourself "who benefits".
Neck yourself. Communism has killed more people than any other political force in history. Antifa is unabashedly communism. Your like someone who beats there wife but calls it anti-wifr beating. It's the same thing, just cause you justify it to yourself doesn't make you and antifa monsters.
I guarantee you there are now a bunch of armchair types who are sympathetic to the Nazis now.
You're right, because there's a huge pool of ignorant white people around who think murdering peaceful protesters is a good idea, as demonstrated by the posts here.
Heck, reading the comments here you'd think 80% of slashdot commenters ARE alt-right, they way they defend them, or get tied up in attacking Antifa and claiming something like ALL resistence to the alt-right is violent.
You are allowing yourself to be used as a tool by the very people you view as oppressing you. Look objectively at all the the radicalization taking place and simply ask yourself "who benefits".
Are you fucking kidding me, or has Fascist Zombies already eaten away your brain? Fascism is the Zombie Apocalypse, and you can't defeat the Zombie Apocalypse with rational arguments.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
I read the Constitution hundreds of times and there are no such conflicts that I can find. Where conflicts tend to exist is when people manipulate wording and message instead of reading the actual words.
Show me in text where there is such a conflict.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Toward the right. The left had no problem blaming the 'black bloc' for the violence in their protest but now its open season on all conservatives because of this one man?
The site was just reinstated.
You mean no such thing. We know who you are on this site. What you object to is having these Nazis associated with the right wing. "far-right" is the word you take offense to. Suck it up buttercup!
That creators link is one of the most astounding revisions of history I've read this year. Your post claims that the organization of Anti-Fascists are merely just different kinds of Fascists and all of this mess is as distant from your political tribe as possible. Indeed, our dear leader benefits from the poorly educated.
Fascism is a state first ideology. Fascist government ideology abandons all pretext of individual liberty or private enterprise except where it benefits the leaders and the party in power. Liberalism at its very core is an extension of enlightenment ideology where the individual is the focus of the state.
It is a liberal idea that the government should act as an enabler of private citizens and as a shield to protect them from powerful interests that would do them harm. We have seen the effects of unbridled capitalism in this country but the worst of those transgressions have passed from living memory. Coal miners in West Virginia once marched with a citizen army to ensure their fellow workers had the option to unionize. These rednecks (the earliest use of the term) were met with aerial bombings and machine gun fire set upon them by the moneyed interests of the state.
People cannot individually stand against powerful corporations or foreign powers. It is an expression of liberty, not fascism, when the government intercedes on behalf of the people as a whole.
Here are some things that liberalism has brought into the body politic:
1. Popular suffrage
2. General education
3. Abolition of class systems (including slavery)
4. Trial by jury
Lastly, I want to talk about the meaning of words. When one puts a liberal amount of butter on a bit of toast it means that the bread is covered in excess. When one takes a conservative approach to a problem it is to proceed cautiously and accept new ideas with restraint. Advocating for change is not a conservative position. The conservative approach is the status quo. Those people calling themselves "conservatives" and advocating for huge structural reforms are using the label to placate others with lies. They are radicals. Perhaps they are isolationists, nationalists, plutocrats, or theocrats but they are certainly not conservative.
There is nothing enduring about the US constitution. No divine providence that shields us from ourselves. The government belongs to the living and we can, at any moment, change how we are governed. Our republic has been reshaped many times through its history and is an infant country compared to other empires of the past. The only thing keeping us on our current course is a collective will and no magic force will block our moves towards a new type of government. It is critically important that the ideas of the enlightenment, equality of man, and obligation of the government to the general welfare of the population be left against the waves of these radicals. Do not be silent on these topics or they will be washed away.
Just shut up shop and never have to make a cake against your religion for the rest of your life.
That's really funny, since years ago it was the racists weeping about how all the immigrants would outbreed them and lead to a left wing revolution.
I've seen BLM and P (as in Police) LM stickers on the same cars and on signs in the same yards - and that's cars and yards owned by white people, black people, Indians, Hispanics, whatever.
Somebody call me when you see a BLM and pro KKK bumper stickers on the same car.
Most of those jobs are going away regardless. If they don't head to South America or Asia today they're going to be replaced by automation tomorrow. Neither the liberals nor the conservatives have a real solution. But the racists are taking advantage of the frustration and anger in the meanwhile.
There is a black and white, but both the neo-nazis and antifa live in the black.
Racist monsters on the left and racist monsters on the right, both proudly displaying their brands of politically acceptable racism for all to see.
To hell with all of them. This isn't left vs. right, it's monsters vs. the common man.
Over 700 comments and noone has mentioned that this is all possible because of GoDaddy's shitty terms of service. I despise Nazis, especially Nazis who don't read the fine print.
It is true, these extremist groups are often ignored. They're not in the medias' reporting cycles. You can go years before you hear a big story about the KKK, at which point someone says "they're still around?" Of course, every year there's some group or the other that manages to make the news. And they will talk with each other, any counter culture group will have a self supporting community via forums, meetings, etc.
White privilege is subtle. Clean yourself up in a clean shirt and no one's going to blink at you walking through a department store, they won't suspect you of being a potential shoplifter, you stand a better chance of being hired, etc.
> They were mostly just a bunch of cucks. From the way they got their asses handed to them there weren't any real rednecks in the bunch, just a lot of non-gendered SJW's living off Daddy's money.
Fixed that for you. Have you looked at the other side in that protest? The white supremacists tend to be dirt poor, it's their SJW's who live off of someone else's largesse and never get a job.
Think I'm kidding? Look for the 20 biggest SJW's on facebook and Youtube. Not one of them actually supports themself.
> Attention is not their fuel. Hatred is their fuel. Ignoring them will not stop their hatred.
I'm afraid that attention is the oxidizer. If they see their efforts fail, silently, without media splash, it douses the flames as effectively as removing the fuel.
I feel the need to post this anonymously. If you show up at a protest with known violent, armed idiots, do not be *surprised* if you get hurt. Taunting armed idiots, even idiots armed only with clubs and shields, is asking to get your ass kicked unless you are better armed and better trained. Throwing a hissy at the bullies does not work: it never did. You should have learned that with the bullies in grade and high school, and the Hippies learned this lesson very well in the 1960's.
Already the times or someone has reported a highly suspicious transaction. Trump Sr sold 2 condos to Eric for 350 each. Problem is the market value was 850 each, or a mil gift basically to Eric. In NY the way transactions get reported, you can tell if the transaction was a gift in part. The transaction was done as market value and clearly was not. He committed tax fraud. So there is one clear one. I fully expect Mueller is going to subpoena his taxes and there will be more than enough fraud to impeach. Trumps real problem is he has pissed off the senate which is the high bar for impeachment 67. Normally I'd say no way, but I can see McConnell, Cruz, Rubio amoung many delighting in their guilty vote,
Unless your a christian run business
We're lucky the Nazi's won?
Clearly you're not Jewish.
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If 90% of the group stayed home, and they drew 100 people, they are still far less than significant in our population. We have more people with full face tattoos than nazis. There is no evidence of a rise is nazism so the 1930s is not exactly related. If anything, people have a knee jerk reaction against them. Ignore them and deny a platform, and they will fade. All this coverage just makes them seem relevant, when they are most clearly not. As the post said earlier, do not feed the trolls.
have similiar end goals in regards to authoritarianism.
The only real difference is in which policies are important to them.
America is due for either segregation or a purge. The racial segregation being an inevitable end goal when the right gets their own country, assuming the marginalized right leaning minorities don't enjoy being marginalized by white masters. The left will have an authoritarian surveillance state that respects the rights of ethnic minorities and women over Caucasians and men, which the 'left' won't realize until all the white-ish Silicon Valley types lose their hegemony and either decide they want to be in the 'right country', or themselves becoming economically and socially marginalized in the increasingly extremist 'left country' which is now also a surveillance state marginalizing all life in it, not all that different from its brethren in the 'right country.'
How this will affect the bigger globalist picture and Chinese/Russian hegemony over other regions of the world remains to be seen, but things are headed that way.
1) they were not white supremacists, or at least that was not the rally's intention. It was for conservatives:
"the City of Charlottesville and roving mobs of Antifa have cracked down on the First Amendment rights of conservatives and right wing activists. They have threatened our families, harassed our employers and tried to drive us from public spaces with threats of intimidation. We are not afraid. You will not divide us."
Did some white supremacists and neo-nazi's show up? Yes, just like any rally you're going to get some troublemakers, like in ferguson when some people looted stores but the majority of the people protesting did not.
2) The conservatives had a permit to be there. Antifa did not and came looking to fight.
3) She joined in with a violent antifa group to counter-protest a legally permitted rally. She should have known death was a real possibility. When you stand next to someone being violent, you have to know when the counter-attack happens you might be caught in the crossfire.
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they're protesting their first amendment rights being taking away. What could be more American than protesting for the right of free speech? This is the opposite of Germany in the 30s. If anything antifa is behaving like the nazis by telling people they do not have a voice and if they do try to speak they're met with violence.
UNITE THE RIGHT August 12th in Charlottesville’s Lee Park. In response to the Alt-Right’s peaceful demonstration in support of the Lee Monument on May 13th, the City of Charlottesville and roving mobs of Antifa have cracked down on the First Amendment rights of conservatives and right wing activists. They have threatened our families, harassed our employers and tried to drive us from public spaces with threats of intimidation. We are not afraid. You will not divide us.
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Antifa, BLM, KKK, Nazis, they are all just different acts in the same Shit Show. They are all extremists and bigots who think the other side has no right to express an opinion, or even live.
You, focusing on "rednecks" are also exhibiting a bigoted opinion.
Agreed. Seems in every protest or rally now days there are a few members that belong to one of those groups. Problem is when the media labels the entire group because of just a few members. The rally was not for kkk, nazis, white supremacists or even white nationalist. It was uniting conservatives in a fight for free speech: "the City of Charlottesville and roving mobs of Antifa have cracked down on the First Amendment rights of conservatives and right wing activists. They have threatened our families, harassed our employers and tried to drive us from public spaces with threats of intimidation. We are not afraid. You will not divide us."
Unfortunately Antifa showed up and started trouble and someone died as a result of it.
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Have you even seen some of vile spew from the antifa? Their hate is just as despicable as that of the facists. Your "no equivalency" is bullshit
I wish I could mod this up
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Five Dead Cops would probably disagree with you. But some Leftist Extremist shot them dead.
Don't forget about the conservative congressman shot while playing baseball by a liberal
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But no one said anything about paying for the consequences of that speech.
The only thing we have to fear is fear itself (and stupid people with torches and small-minded ideologies).
Neat sig
Or because of automation. The problem is that unskilled people can, in general, not make enough of an economic contribution to justify a decent wage. It's a real problem, but blaming offshoring or other countries or affirmative action is going to accomplish nothing. Any change in those would have only a temporary effect.
It used to be that a good work ethic was all you needed for moderate success. That is no longer the case.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Exactly. Precisely. How come nobody else is acknowledging this fact?
Is a male supremacy site specializing in business decisions comparable to Nazi sites? Does it violate GoDaddy's terms of service? Or is it just possible that a slippery slope argument is conceivably faulty?
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
... just setup their own hosting service. They can call it GoWhitey.com.
They should also setup their own social media sites, too, like FascistBook and Tweaker.
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Are you kidding? Antifa are causing havoc across the whole country! Call them fascists or Nazis, it all looks the same as Italy and Germany in the 1930s.
Why do you think white supremacists are on the right? KKK were the militant arm of the Democrats.
White supremacists also want big government - is that a left or right policy?
This fight is like the Nazis vs the communists - both left wing Marxists, but with different identified oppressor groups.
"Alt-Right" is that like saying "no your other right hand"? Because it looks like a left hand to me.
If late teens and young adults can't tell the difference between morally good and morally reprehensible behavior whose fault is that? You take away logic and reason, Western values and religion, then complain when people can't tell the difference between good and bad unless someone labels it for them.
Restore the foundation and they will be able to work it out without your (or anyone else's) help.
Or because of automation. The problem is that unskilled people can, in general, not make enough of an economic contribution to justify a decent wage.
Unfortunately, the people who blame the left or the government for this are correct. Policies such as minimum wage - driven by the left, with it's usual cluelessness about economics, and implemented by government (meaning by politicians seeking votes from the left) have made automation much more common than it otherwise would have been. Huge numbers of jobs are no longer available - most of them jobs that the unskilled could do.
In some cases, human beings can do the jobs better than machines (such as some agricultural tasks), and we can pay a high price for automation in terms of unintended consequences (also applicable to agriculture - the cultivars and crop layouts suitable for machine picking with current technology open us up to inefficiency, vulnerable monoculture crops, and over-use of herbicides and pesticides in the foods people eat).
Further, many of these jobs came with a good possibility of those people getting training that would raise their human capital - allowing them to get even better jobs in the future. For example, many of jobs that used to exist gave people the opportunity to become a jack-of-all-trades, perhaps moving into a career as a handyman, an electrician, a plumber - or had leadership opportunities such as becoming a foreman.
Poverty used to be something that people might have to endure for a while, but there was a lot of mobility and very few people would stay in poverty for their entire lives. That's less often the case today - there's less mobility and more concentration of wealth.
Then we have policies such as rent control, which in practice makes it very difficult for poor people to live near the places they work. Even police officers and firemen have trouble living in many of the cities that they serve. This in turn greatly increases the cost of commuting - and takes time away being able to get after-work training that can improve people's future job and income prospects.
Worse, government meddling with prices tends to lead to black markets - and this means that leftist-driven government policy undercuts trust in government, which has all kinds of negative consequences. One of them is that people are much more willing to look outside of government for solutions to their problems - which pushes them further away from the leftist ideas of big government solving everything, and creates even more distrust of the left.
So, yes, a lot of people hate or distrust the left - and for good reasons. The really sad thing is that we have a bunch of stupid government policies that actually harm the people most in need of help - but other policies could be implemented that would actually work in place of the existing policies (see the economics literature on these topics for details).
Unfortunately, the existence of dysfunctional policies tends to block much needed change.
Yes, a Confederate hate group - League of the South - felt threatened in public. This is not a bad thing.
I think the Progressive Politicians were actually thinking if there were any violence it would be gun violence, that would lend itself into their anti-gun agenda.
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Could be and in any regard it's pretty fucked up regardless their motivation because they are toying with people's life and well being to morally grandstand.
Rent control has serious problems, but minimum wage should be enough to live on without government assistance. Lowering the minimum wage would increase the number of jobs somewhat, but more people would lose money than would get money. Seattle raised the minimum wage to $15 without apparent ill effect.
Agriculture uses the means it does because it's cheaper. Farmers have had the use of illegal immigrants for years, and they can be abused and underpaid. If farming has become more automated because of that, it isn't going to change because of a decrease in minimum wage. If we had more humans in agriculture, we'd still have the monocultures and chemical use.
Social mobility has gone down, but you seem to assume that it's government's fault. It looks to me that increasing concentrations of wealth in the upper classes and failure to provide opportunities for the lower classes is the predominant effect. If you want me to believe otherwise, provide evidence.
Leftists don't want the government to do everything (well, most don't). Leftists want everyone to have certain basic services (which includes providing a safety net) and certain opportunities. Currently, getting a good college education generally costs a lot of money, so people who don't have parents with a lot of money face a choice between doing without or getting student loans. Lots of public schools are crap, generally the ones in poor neighborhoods, and better-off people living there can get their kids into better private schools. I did not regularly go hungry as a kid, and that probably has helped me throughout life. I'd like everyone to have the opportunity for decent nutrition and good education up to whatever level a person can handle. The government would have to be involved, but it would not have to provide everything.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Yeah antifa turned up and made someone ram that woman with a Car. Right.
> That's one of the greatest cons ever.
Funny how everyone who promises us Communism/Socialism gives us something that's "Not True Socialism" when it doesn't work out, no?
FWIW, you could say the same of today's leftist politicians, they all appear to be authoritarians using whatever is popular to try to get into power. What I can't figure out is why you keep supporting those types in spite of claiming to know the trick?