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AMD Launches Radeon RX Vega 64 and Vega 56, Taking On GeForce GTX 1080 and 1070 (hothardware.com)

Posted by msmash on from the competition-heating-up dept.

MojoKid writes: AMD has finally launched its Radeon RX Vega series of graphics cards today, based on the company's next generation Vega 10 GPU architecture. There are three base card specs announced, though there are four cards total, with a Limited Edition air-cooled card as well. Three of the cards have 64 NGCs (Next Generation Compute Units) with 4096 stream processors, while Radeon RX Vega 56 is comprised of 56 NCGs with 3584 SPs. Base clocks range from roughly 1150 to 1400MHz, with boost clocks from 1470MHz to 1670MHz or so. All cards come with 8GB of HBM2 and sport 484GB/sec of memory bandwidth, except for Vega 56, which has a bit less, at 410GB/s. They are power-hungry as well, ranging from the 345 Watt liquid-cooled Radeon RX Vega 64, to the 295 Watt air-cooled RX Vega 64 and 210 Watt Radeon RX Vega 56. Performance-wise, Radeon RX Vega 64 is neck-and-neck with NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 1080, winning some and losing some, with flashes of strength in DirectX 12-based games and benchmarks. Vega 64 also maintains generally better minimum frame rates versus GTX 1080. Radeon RX Vega 56 is a more credible midrange threat that handily out-performs a GeForce GTX 1070 across the board. In DX12 gaming, Radeon RX Vega 56 stretches its lead over the similarly-priced GTX 1070. Both cards, however, are more power-hungry, louder and run hotter than NVIDIA's high-end GeForce GTX 1080. Radeon RX Vega 64 cards will retail for $499 (Liquid Cooled cards at $699), while Radeon RX Vega 56 drops in at $399. All cards should be available at retail starting today.

84 comments

  1. only 15months late by arbiter1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Only took AMD 15 months to finally get out a gpu to compete. Which means nivida has had 15months to develop a new gpu to stomp on them.

    1. Re:only 15months late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, that is painfully obvious at this point, unfortunately. NVIDIA needs better competition in GPUs.

    2. Re:only 15months late by bobbied · · Score: 1

      What's new? AMD has been playing catch up in the APU world for a long time. Who knows though, it might be that Nivida isn't quite ready to squash them with a new GPU offering just yet...

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    3. Re:only 15months late by PIBM · · Score: 1

      they don`t need to be -- I went with the 1080TI 4 months ago and it's much faster than even their new V64 watercooled edition..

    4. Re:only 15months late by aliquis · · Score: 2

      What's new? AMD has been playing catch up in the APU world for a long time. Who knows though, it might be that Nivida isn't quite ready to squash them with a new GPU offering just yet...

      No. AMD has been arguably leading in APUs.

      But these aren't APUs. These are GPUs. And AMD has up Polaris & Pascal (this gen) kept up. Their R9 290 card for instance used more power but it kept up in performance and offered a pretty compelling package for the price. With Polaris what AMD managed to do was to drop the power consumption and keep the performance but Nvidia already had the lower power consumption and upped the performance.

      The situation now though is that Nvidia Volta is likely near whereas AMD Navi likely isn't and as soon as Volta is out that will leave AMD still just competing in low and mid-range just as with Polaris vs Pascal.

      What AMD also managed to do during this time was to about catch up with Zen vs Intel and of course also develop their combined chips for gaming consoles and APUs.

      AMD don't seem to have been able to keep up with both Intel and Nvidia in respective field but that are also worth less and sell less of each of those products than their competitors and likely spend less R&D money into it. Of course AMD doesn't have to spend money in fabrication since they have branched off Global foundries so that part likely shouldn't be counted for Intel, then again AMD have to spend for it from someone else and don't earn from their manufacturing there either so .. Especially before I think they paid for chip manufacturing capacity they didn't use because of lack of demand on their products.

      I wish they were competitive since FreeSync monitors cost less but 6 dB more noise and 40+ more watt power consumption kinda matter too.

      Can't expect Navi "short" from now I guess since they are just launching Vega.

    5. Re:only 15months late by GerardAtJob · · Score: 1

      Same power for half the price, and I just had to wait 4months more than you... ;)

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    6. Re: only 15months late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 1080 Ti has been out for months and already smashes it.

    7. Re:only 15months late by PIBM · · Score: 2

      Humm, the price I paid for my ti is inline with the announced price for the V64 wc edition. I had managed a pre-order at 100$ less for the strix OC editition so I really can`t complain for the price paid. Beside, if I decided to sell the BTC it generated on nicehash since my purchase, it would be more than paid back.

    8. Re:only 15months late by GerardAtJob · · Score: 1

      I can agree with your point of view (as a BTC miner). But as a gamer it's not worth it.

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    9. Re:only 15months late by RogueyWon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah, the basic consensus seems to be...

      The 56 isn't a bad card. In theory a bit pricier than the 1070, but we'll see what the miners do to the respective prices when it actually hits the shelves. Performance is mid-way between the 1070 and 1080. Power consumption is high, but if you're not worried about that, then this is a gaming card that for certain given budgets will be the rational purchase.

      The 64 aircooled is in theory pricier than the 1080. It offers a very similar level of performance to the 1080, but with much higher power consumption. There doesn't seem to be any reason to buy it beyond brand loyalty to AMD, should you be so inclined.

      The 64 watercooled looks like an absolute disaster. Prices are comparable to the 1080 Ti, but with a level of performance only very slightly better than the base 1080. In addition, various sites have reported issues with the sample cards they were sent. PCGamer's had nasty coil-whine. Eurogamer reported that their card was overloading a 1000W PSU and that they had to switch to a 1200W to keep it stable. God only knows why anybody would want to pay almost as much as you pay for a 1080 Ti for a card with significantly lower performance and possible "issues".

      Nvidia's Volta cards probably aren't coming out tomorrow, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the first wave of consumer cards in 6 months time.

    10. Re:only 15months late by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      Only took AMD 15 months to finally get out a gpu to compete. Which means nivida has had 15months to develop a new gpu to stomp on them.

      AMD might not be competing with NV in the gaming market, but they are still selling pretty much every damn board they can make as fast as they make them due to coin miner insanity so that should buy them some time revenue wise.

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    11. Re:only 15months late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for your online shill post, arbiter1. $15 has been deposited to your #TEAMGREEN account.

    12. Re: only 15months late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nvidia cards are shit for mining. And why are you using an asic? I highly doubt you've mined anything.

    13. Re: only 15months late by PIBM · · Score: 2

      I'm mining altcoins, some autoselling to BTC. A 1070@60% power yields 32MH/s ETH, selling those at 0.11 BTC per was great too :) The 1080TI has mostly been doing LBRY and equihash, some decred and lyra2.. Best days I have recorded were yielding 25 USD on the 1080TI, not too long and the card was paid off.

      I haven`t tried any asic as reselling them is not good at all, while video cards prices were only going up, now down so it was an easy way out should I have wanted to.

    14. Re:only 15months late by Espectr0 · · Score: 1

      still can't compete with such massive power output

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    15. Re:only 15months late by dinfinity · · Score: 1

      There doesn't seem to be any reason to buy it beyond brand loyalty to AMD, should you be so inclined.

      FreeSync support is a reason (for some).

    16. Re:only 15months late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nvidia's Volta cards probably aren't coming out tomorrow, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the first wave of consumer cards in 6 months time.

      Seems like it, and I hope so, too. I'd like to nab a used 1080ti for ~$300 and throw a watercooler on it.

      I'm a graphics whore, but ~$700+ for a GPU is ridiculous.

  2. Mojokid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why you spam? Pretty clear you work for hothardware...

  3. AMD Launches Radeon RX Vega by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and the are already all sold out.

  4. only 3 months behind by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    AMD is doing pretty good if they are only a few months behind NVIDIA in releasing an equivalent. Although the NVIDIA Volta GPUs are supposed to be out early 2018, so if you already spent your lunch money on a 1080 you can skip the AMD stuff and pick up something faster in several months.

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    1. Re:only 3 months behind by sexconker · · Score: 1

      3 months and a year. This competes with the 1070 and 1080, not the 1080 Ti.

    2. Re:only 3 months behind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AMD is doing pretty good if they are only a few months behind NVIDIA in releasing an equivalent. Although the NVIDIA Volta GPUs are supposed to be out early 2018, so if you already spent your lunch money on a 1080 you can skip the AMD stuff and pick up something faster in several months.

      Lets See;
      GeForce GTX 1080 May 27, 2016
      GeForce GTX 1070 June 10, 2016

      Perhaps you forgot a year?

  5. Well, I'll keep my 1080 Ti... by MindPrison · · Score: 1

    *quote article *NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 1080 has been out for over a year now and it may not be long before team green tosses another volley.*endquote*

    Well, 1080 Titanium, duh. It's essentially the Titan X Pascal - with ONE less gigabyte, and 8 less ROP's from the 96 the titanium sports, and roughly 500$ cheaper.

    And if the new RX Vega 64 just is "on par" with the 1080 that roughly cost the same as the Vega 64, then - they've already lost that race. But hey, great - finally some competition.

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    1. Re:Well, I'll keep my 1080 Ti... by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Well, 1080 Titanium, duh. It's essentially the Titan X Pascal - with ONE less gigabyte, and 8 less ROP's from the 96 the titanium sports, and roughly 500$ cheaper.

      Well, the Titan has always been a massively overpriced card for those who must have the best under the weak guise of being a "prosumer" card yet good for gaming. But yes, most expected the 1080 Ti to create a new tier between the Titan and the 1080, instead it took the 1080s place and pushed it down in price without any apparent competition from AMD, had only very minor cuts and was boosted by an increased memory frequency compared to the Titan delivering 32% better performance than the 1080 for the same price as a Founder's edition from last year or 40% more than the new, cut price. You can't possibly call a $700 card for value but it carried a remarkably small premium for what it was.

      I guess nVidia felt Vega was threatening and decided to aggressively take the sales they could get early, a bird in the hand beats ten on the roof. I imagine that if they knew Vega would barely battle it out with the 1080 they'd have set a $100-200 higher launch price. And while they make mourn some lost profits it also makes life for AMD pretty difficult, there's very little room for selling "premium" Vega cards. If they start approaching 1080 Ti prices like the liquid edition it just looks like a really poor deal, why buy an OC'd chip with 10-15% more performance when there's a much better GPU available. I think AMD has to rely on Ryzen/TR/EPYC to survive this generation.

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    2. Re:Well, I'll keep my 1080 Ti... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two months ago my 7970 died. Replaced it by a 1080 ti. Today, I'm relieved to see that just two months later there isn't anything faster for less money available yet.

  6. LISTEN TO NAZIS BEG FOR FORGIVENESS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I understand the photo has a very negative connotation. But I hope that the people sharing the photo are willing to listen that I'm not the angry racist they see in that photo," Cvjetanovic said.

    A LITTLE LATE DUMB CUNT!

    1. Re:LISTEN TO NAZIS BEG FOR FORGIVENESS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you should listen, actually? Maybe he saw that picture and didn't like what he sees. Maybe his perspective has changed. That would be the best outcome. You aren't going to achieve a good outcome being as hateful as they are.

    2. Re:LISTEN TO NAZIS BEG FOR FORGIVENESS! by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      Hi little boy are you lost?

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  7. Efficiency? by yoink! · · Score: 2

    Is it reasonable to discuss computing performance without the inclusion of efficiency?

    RX Vega 64: 345 Watts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:AMD_Radeon_RX_Vega)
    1080 (Titan XP): 250 Watts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_10_series)

      I have no skin in the game other than competition is necessary in this market and I'd love to see ATI, oops, AMD, perform better than it has recently.

    1. Re:Efficiency? by Jeslijar · · Score: 2

      If you're a gamer are you going to care about a few bucks on your electric bill or a difference of 30% in frames per second?

      With the way solar is trending... electricity costs are going to be a null factor in the future. The best use for ultra-efficiency is mobile gaming. Inefficient, powerful and cheap is perfect for desktop gaming... which is the point of these big GPUs.

      AMD is obviously behind in tech, this round of CPUs and GPUs are the best they can do and to be honest it might be the best move they've made since the AMD boom in the late 90s / early 2000s IIRC

    2. Re:Efficiency? by PIBM · · Score: 1

      When your gaming card is not used for playing, they are mining (at least I hope so). I have an upper bound of wattage per room I can tolerate (while working / gaming) using free cooling, so that's indeed important (also, don`t underestimate the noise). I could blast the AC, but at some point it`s not worth it anymore. Their new offering doesn't appear to appeal on any front.

    3. Re:Efficiency? by TimothyHollins · · Score: 1

      If you're a gamer are you going to care about a few bucks on your electric bill or a difference of 30% in frames per second?

      I'm a gamer, and I don't care about a few extra bucks on my electric bill. I do however care greatly about the heat that extra power will generate. I also care about the extra noise those fans will generate trying to dissipate that heat.

    4. Re:Efficiency? by dAzED1 · · Score: 1

      my house has a pretty massive solar array on it, enough to supply my two electric cars and a fairly large place. What I don't want to do is have to rip up ceilings and walls just to route additional cooling to whatever room I put a PC in; the office in our house merely has 3 laptops in it right now, and is already noticeably warmer than anywhere else in the house. Watts aren't just about power, they're also about heat. If this weren't San Diego, then I guess you could make some comment about heating bills in the winter (which would be silly, it's not like it's an efficient heater...it is just a prolific one).

    5. Re:Efficiency? by DG · · Score: 1

      My house is electrically heated. This way I get more work out of my heater.

      I'm probably going to buy a Vega once Sapphire releases their aftermarket cooled, OC version.

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    6. Re:Efficiency? by dAzED1 · · Score: 1

      I've not updated my fun/"main" pc for a long time, have needed to for a bit now but was waiting for ryzen/vega as a combo. Not a fan of nvidia for various lack-of-open-source-drivers-forever reasons, but yeah...it's a very fair point that the power consumption of these things is horrible. Was just a couple years ago everyone was bragging about power efficiency, and suddenly...out the door. I don't want nvidia, but I also don't want my GPU to be using more electricity than every light in my house combined.

    7. Re:Efficiency? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When your gaming card is not used for playing, they are mining (at least I hope so).

      Why do you hope so? BTC mining is a huge waste of energy with no benefit for the overall population. He might make some money from the speculation, but there's no reason for you to want him to do that. I'd rather everybody stopped this BS.

    8. Re:Efficiency? by PIBM · · Score: 1

      Well, I am using (hydroelectrical) power and getting a very good ROI doing so, paying back my hardware in a few months. I would not advise to purchase more hardware at this time (but I might be wrong), but I hope that you guys used it while it was definitely worth it. I was generating LBRY and selling to BTC, with the climb it has had this has all been very efficient :)

      I am by no way wasting energy, as at this time we still have record water level and can`t store anymore (thus not using it is definitely a loss of possible revenue for the electricity company which in the end gives back to the governement)

    9. Re:Efficiency? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also care about the extra noise those fans will generate trying to dissipate that heat

      You can always slap on an AIO CPU cooler. Quieter, cooler, and more OC headroom.

      You'll have to build your own bracket hardware from the local hardware store, though (but doing so gives you a "universal" GPU solution). You'll also need to cool the vram, mosfets, etc., but copper heatsinks are cheap.

      Oh, and this method allows you to upgrade the fans to whatever you like.

    10. Re:Efficiency? by Pascoea · · Score: 1

      I was about to call BS, my pea-sized brain immediately thought "there is now way that small wattage would make much of a difference." But this seems to indicate that 350 watts is enough to raise a well insulated 10'x10'x10' room 10 degrees. You definitely have a valid point.

    11. Re: Efficiency? by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Where? Norway?

    12. Re: Efficiency? by PIBM · · Score: 1

      Quebec. We are trying hard to sell our excess power at this time :(

      Please come here and mine :)

    13. Re:Efficiency? by atomlib · · Score: 1

      1080 uses GP104 instead of a GPU accelerator chip, so it has 180 Watt TDP, not 250. 1080 Ti, Titan X and Xp—a bit more powerful cards based on GP102 chip family— consume 250 Watts.

    14. Re:Efficiency? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, your first instincts were correct. It's bullshit. He said three laptops. No way three laptops are going to generate 350 Watts nor noticeably heat up a room, unless it's really poorly ventilated. However, if there are three persons in the room, operating said computers, that's another thing. But that's not really something you can blame on the computer...

    15. Re:Efficiency? by dAzED1 · · Score: 1

      between my 2 laptops, it's 3.4A@110V. The two displays add 2.1A@110V. That's 605W, and doesn't yet include my wife's laptop, nor the phone chargers, nor anything else. The room was designed to be a bedroom, in the 50s. They didn't...plan...on the electronics of today.

    16. Re:Efficiency? by dAzED1 · · Score: 1

      btw, the 350W mark is for just the GPU card alone. And yeah, a well-insulated room will indeed be heated up quite well with 350W.

  8. Re:Nobody cares by jimtheowl · · Score: 1

    No. AMD is possibly the fiercest and one of the longest standing Intel competitor, and right now, they are kicking asses. It has and continues to make Intel better.

    "Slashdong"? Rather than trying to post first, take a little more time to push them down a little more effectively, then perhaps you might feel that you brought yourself a little higher.

  9. Waiting for the miners to die off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These cards are overkill for 1080p gaming anyway.

  10. Anyone seen creimer today? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Usually he'd be on first post patrol to shill his affiliate links and regale us with pointless personal anecdotes. I hope he's OK.

  11. Queue team Green's fanboys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    poo pooing a solid delivery by a competing company.

    1. Re:Queue team Green's fanboys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No need to "poo poo" it. Vega poo'ed itself out onto the floor all on its own. If this was out a year ago, before Nvidia released the 1080TI, Vega would have actually competed and people would be singing it's praise. As it stands, it is about 15 months late to get anything other than what it deserves stinking up the place...

      The only saving grace Vega has is that it will be bought by cryptominers. But for gaming, the card is DOA (you can buy 1080Ti's for the same price that the Vega is selling for... I know retail is supposedly $500, but we all know that won't happen for 12 months from now when cryptominers are no longer buying up every card on the market). And with the 1080Ti you have a card that uses 50W less power and beats it in gaming performance by 10-20%).

  12. Too hot no thnx by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1

    Both cards, however, are more power-hungry, louder and run hotter than NVIDIA's high-end GeForce GTX 1080.

    I have a GTX 1080 and it runs pretty damn hot already. Whenever I fire up the Oculus Rift, the graphic card's auto fan kicks in and I can feel the many thousands of btu's of heat emanating into my (non-air conditioned) basement.

    It doesn't help that my computer has vents on top of the case, so I can just move my hand slightly over to the right from my sitting position and feel the heat.

    1. Re:Too hot no thnx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Route the heat to your fleshlight and make VR porn even better.

    2. Re:Too hot no thnx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And burn your dick. Good job.

      But for real, though... your 2000 capital-C-Calorie ass is doing as much to heat your basement as your computer probably is. (2000 Calories/kcal is approximately 8000 BTU's. You produce that much heat in a day. More, if you maintain your weight with a higher food intake.)

    3. Re: Too hot no thnx by Entrope · · Score: 1

      2000 food calories per day is just under 100 W. A computer with a high-end GPU under load is going to significantly exceed that. So, no, a person is not going to generate more heat than the OP's gaming system.

  13. It is not just about resolution (n/t) by jimtheowl · · Score: 1

    n/t

  14. Pass by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    Both cards, however, are more power-hungry, louder and run hotter than NVIDIA's high-end GeForce GTX 1080.

    Not interested.

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  15. Re:Nobody cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    slashdong.org actually exists.

    Funny stuff, sort of.

  16. Re:Nobody cares by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    Even if AMD was twice as good as Intel it doesn't matter for this topic since the one to beat is nVidia.

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  17. Miners already bought them up by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

    You can buy one on ebay for $1200

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  18. Re:Nobody cares by jimtheowl · · Score: 1

    AMD doesn't need to beat nVidia. They just have to stay in the game, and they are doing that.

  19. After the AMD 7970 and id Software's Rage... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    The last AMD video card that I had was the 7970 that I got to play with id Software's Rage. Except there was a bug in the game, the driver or both when running on AMD CPUs that caused the game to render at 1FPS. This bug was never fixed. It didn't help that the fan died and the 7970 baked itself to death. I got a Nvidia 700-series card that played the game with some minor visual artifacts. I'm very reluctant to trust AMD on a video card these days.

    1. Re:After the AMD 7970 and id Software's Rage... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a moron who let his fan die and had a problem with a video game glitch and therefore tries to disparage a brand new solid product, while promoting inferior overpriced shit.

      Enjoy being dumb, you deserve to be raped by Nvidia because you enjoy it up the ass I guess.

    2. Re:After the AMD 7970 and id Software's Rage... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

      You're a moron who let his fan die and had a problem with a video game glitch and therefore tries to disparage a brand new solid product, while promoting inferior overpriced shit.

      This is about brand trust. When Western Digitial put out a bunch of crap hard drives, I didn't buy another Western Digital hard drives for 20 years. The only reason I went back to Western Digital was because my Seagate hard drives crapped out and the only alternative was... Western Digital. Just like video cards today with AMD and Nvidia.

      Enjoy being dumb, you deserve to be raped by Nvidia because you enjoy it up the ass I guess.

      You can take tribalism and shove it up your ass. Consumers would be better served by having more competitors instead of the two companies that we're stuck with for whatever product niche.

    3. Re:After the AMD 7970 and id Software's Rage... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a moron who let his fan die and had a problem with a video game glitch and therefore tries to disparage a brand new solid product, while promoting inferior overpriced shit.

      This is about brand trust...

      Well, no, it seems to me that it is about you being a moron...

    4. Re:After the AMD 7970 and id Software's Rage... by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      Except there was a bug in the game, the driver or both [...] It didn't help that the fan died and the 7970 baked itself to death.

      This was my experience with Radeon cards. I hated Nvidia because they killed 3DFX which I loved and bought everything except Nvidia for a long time. So I had Matrox, Radeon, etc. My last Radeon had just endless weird framerate issues. Then the fan died and it baked itself to death as well. I relented and finally bought an Nvidia card. Everything immediately ran perfectly smooth. No weird random glitches. I've begrudgingly become an Nvidia devotee since then (and had no issues).

      Now if only I didn't have to deal with Realtek issues...

    5. Re: After the AMD 7970 and id Software's Rage... by Type44Q · · Score: 2

      I hated Nvidia because they killed 3DFX

      3Dfx killed 3Dfx through a slew of bad decisions, though primarily their disregard for T&L ("Transform and Lighting" - essentially polygon acceleration in hardware).

    6. Re:After the AMD 7970 and id Software's Rage... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The last AMD video card that I had was the 7970 that I got to play with id Software's Rage. Except there was a bug in the game, the driver or both when running on AMD CPUs that caused the game to render at 1FPS. This bug was never fixed. It didn't help that the fan died and the 7970 baked itself to death. I got a Nvidia 700-series card that played the game with some minor visual artifacts. I'm very reluctant to trust AMD on a video card these days.

      I used to buy exclusively Nvidia cards since early 2000s. However, after getting a used 7970 OC, I was blown away how well the open source driver in the kernel & Mesa work! Out of the box, without any fiddling. It is amazing that I can load latest Fedora Linux on a box and I can get full blown 3D acceleration without worrying about anything. It literally is that easy! Needless to say, now I buy exclusively AMD cards.

    7. Re:After the AMD 7970 and id Software's Rage... by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      Heh, I just sold a 7970 today, with one remaining. Certainly the strongest AMD cards I've had. One machine has an integrated APU which is newer than those, but mostly unused due to a GTX 750. For most of my purposes, those little beasts are almost as fast, but only use about 1/4 the power; the machine in question is a Mini-ITX box with a fanless power brick.

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  20. Re:Nobody cares by spire3661 · · Score: 1

    Lol, barely. Why would anyone pay $700 for a liquid cooled vega when they can get a liquid cooled 1080ti that is more powerful, and uses less power?

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  21. Re:Yuo fa_il it by DG · · Score: 1

    Wow. There STILL are goat.cx trolls on Slashdot.

    I wonder if this is some poor orphaned bot, long abandoned by the script kiddy who wrote it, running on some forgotten p0wn3d webserver from 1999....

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  22. Did they add nvidias most important feature yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did they also add telemetry, like nvidia did?

  23. Re: Nobody cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More powerful as in 'win some, lose some'? Yeah that sure sounds way more powerful.

  24. Drivers? by hackel · · Score: 1

    Are these cards shipping with proper open source drivers, or is it just the same, old story of shitty, proprietary, binary blobs? Gamers are the worst when it comes to defending software Freedom, sadly. I don't have high hopes for either company. I'll still be going with Intel for all my graphics needs until one of them finally steps up.

    1. Re:Drivers? by Atmchicago · · Score: 1

      Radeon RX Vega On Linux: High-Performance GPUs & Open-Source No Longer An Oxymoron

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      You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it dissolve.

    2. Re:Drivers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have already started dumping my AMD graphics for Nvidia 1050s. Their lack of support for the latest Xorg makes it impossible to upgrade.

    3. Re: Drivers? by bn-7bc · · Score: 1

      Well you mght be right about gamers not seting software freedum high on there kist of prioreties. But unfortunetly that allso describes a rather large majorety off all computer user, why? Well mostly doftware, snd the harware that runs it is just a means to an dnd. (Be it fragging some enimies at 60+fps wit ulta max setings at 1440p or editing your latest masterpeace video about something), so wat gets the job done with a bin ammount of fuss wins. Say binare blob to most pople (even most gamers i suspect) and you are lighttly to get a blank stare. I admit the binary blobs are a problem esp when it comes to linux support, but how can it be xolved when Nvidia and AMD licence 3d party rechnologu they are not allowed to let anyone see. We would all love to see full specs and full documentation of evryrhing in an ideal world, but unfortunatly we must live in the real world wher IP and contracts rule. We culd all kickstart a project to getban opensorce equivalent of the gtx1080ti designed, tested, fully documented and built, but am i ruight in saying once we where done ( and had it checked for any un intentional oatent/IP violations) it would probably be hoplessly out of date, and beond the originsl backers there would be little to no innterest

    4. Re: Drivers? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Is English your native language?

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    5. Re:Drivers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have already started dumping my AMD graphics for Nvidia 1050s. Their lack of support for the latest Xorg makes it impossible to upgrade.

      This is bullshit. I have the exactly the opposite problem - every time I upgrade my Linux install, I'm stuck with nouveau driver because stupid Nvidia doesn't update their binary blob driver.

      Open source AMD drivers on the other hand always work because they are open source and in the kernel + Mesa! It just works!

  25. Re:Nobody cares by Moof123 · · Score: 1

    I'm hoping they stick around. It would be a shame to see nVidia be the only "real" option, as they would inevitably slow down and become another Intel. It is a shame we don't have 3 or even 4 really competitive GPU vendors.

    I wish no ill on Intel, but they really slowed to a crawl for innovation over the last 6-8 years. We need vibrant competition to keep prices low and performance increasing and Intel really showed what you get when there is minimal competition in the CPU arena.

  26. Taking on? by ChoGGi · · Score: 1

    The 64 can only trade blows with the 1080 till you throw MSAA at it.

    https://www.hardocp.com/articl...
    The 64 is using 475w compared to 325w for the 1080, not to mention you can get an AIB 1080 for cheaper than the 64.

  27. Re: Nobody cares by aliquis · · Score: 1

    He said 1080ti not 1080.

  28. Re:Nobody cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lol, barely. Why would anyone pay $700 for a liquid cooled vega when they can get a liquid cooled 1080ti that is more powerful, and uses less power?

    AMD GPUs have open source drivers. Worth $700.