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Gates Makes Largest Donation Since 2000 With $4.6 Billion Pledge (bloomberg.com)

From a report: Bill Gates made his largest gift since the turn of the century, giving away Microsoft shares that accounted for 5 percent of his fortune, the world's biggest. The billionaire donated 64 million of the software maker's shares valued at $4.6 billion on June 6, according to a Securities & Exchange Commission filing released Monday. While the recipient of the gift wasn't specified, Gates has made the majority of his donations to the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, the charity he and his wife use to direct their philanthropic efforts. It's the largest gift of Microsoft shares that Gates has made since 2000. The 61-year-old gave away $16 billion worth of Microsoft shares in 1999 and $5.1 billion a year later, according to calculations by Bloomberg.

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  1. $55k by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

    I make $55k doing IT support in Silicon Valley. What am I doing wrong?

    1. Re:$55k by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      You're doing it in Silicon Valley.

    2. Re:$55k by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      (1) You are doing IT support. Bill did business manipulations around IP ownership. Not the same thing.
      (2) You are asking Slashdot for foresight. If we knew what to do, it would be too late. Bill figured it out on his own.
      (3) You live in Silicon Valley. One can live comfortably on $55k elsewhere.
      (4) I don't know. All I have to go on is what you said.

    3. Re:$55k by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      I also take the bus to work with people. What about that?

    4. Re:$55k by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      You're giving away most of your labour to capitalists for nothing.

    5. Re:$55k by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you sound bitter, sweet tits

    6. Re: $55k by aliquis · · Score: 1

      No. He sells it for 55K. Can't you read?

    7. Re:$55k by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It depends, do you also weight 300+ lbs?

    8. Re:$55k by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      I'm just big boned.

    9. Re: $55k by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I understand that you're upset about exploitation.
      He receives 55k, which according to the iron law of wages tends towards subsistence. The rest of the value is appropriated by capital which currently has a vastly stronger barging position.

    10. Re:$55k by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      You need to take the bus to work with cabbages. Traveling with people drains your precious bodily fluids.

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    11. Re: $55k by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Capital only has a strong barging position along waterways.

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    12. Re: $55k by aliquis · · Score: 1

      I don't even know what what you wrote mean.

      I think it's better you ditch your socialist university course words and just say what the fuck you're trying to say.

      Anyway, the fact is this: He decide to do the work for $55K. And someone decide to pay him $55K to do it. It's not done for free. He's not forced to it. It's all fine. It's not his company, something you'd likely want it to be, but he's free to set up and run his own company trying to get whatever salary. Even a collectivist one.

    13. Re:$55k by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      It's not polite to talk about "big boners" in public. Think of the children!

    14. Re:$55k by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only big boners you've seen are on-screen. Even though you can reach every part of your body, your thick, viscous blood can't.

    15. Re:$55k by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to take the bus to work with cabbages. Traveling with people drains your precious bodily fluids.

      I've never figured out why they're called "bodily fluids" when all of them are suspensions, sans burps and farts, but usually those are fluid mixtures with microscopic-to-tiny solids thrown in, too...

    16. Re:$55k by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're focused on how much you're earning rather than how much you're saving. Save 66% of your income and enjoy retirement within 10 years. Listen to podcasts and educational shows instead of entertainment TV/movies. Start out with the podcast Optimal Living Daily and expand from there.

    17. Re:$55k by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you sound autistic, cupcake

    18. Re:$55k by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      "The Richest Man in Babylon" by George S. Clason is a good read.

    19. Re:$55k by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you such an asshole?

    20. Re:$55k by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Amazon affiliate-spam-free link: The Richest Man in Babylon.

      Funny, too, how Creimer claims to have read it, but obviously has not mastered some of the principles:

      - Start thy purse to fattening -- PURSE, creimer. Not body.
      - Make of thy dwelling a profitable investment -- specifically, if you rent, stop that shit.
      - Insure a future income -- prepare for retirement
      - Increase thy ability to earn -- instead of spamming ad links for pennies, build your skills to make your work more valuable.

      The fifth law of gold is interesting, too:
      Gold flees the man who would force it to impossible earnings or who followeth the alluring advice of tricksters and schemers or who trusts it to his own inexperience and romantic desires in investment.

      Interesting advice. Why don't you heed it, creimer?

    21. Re:$55k by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Increase thy ability to earn -- instead of spamming ad links for pennies, build your skills to make your work more valuable.

      https://twitter.com/cdreimer/status/897516205216604160

    22. Re: $55k by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone can put numbers into a spreadsheet.

    23. Re:$55k by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except your strategy requires you to be constantly poisoning people's sessions with your affiliate code. All of the shit your spreadsheet shows - only one of the items is something you've advertised directly. Everything else is incidental. Which means:

      1) People clicked one of your links, and poisoned their amazon session with your affiliate code.
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      Since the code is only good for 24 hours, if you slack off spamming your bullshit for even 24 hours, you'll see a noticeable drop-off as people's sessions won't be poisoned with your code anymore. That means you won't get incidental purchase revenue, which will result in your $110 dropping to about $3.60.

      In the meantime, you could be studying for your trivially easy certification exams, which would easily double your income. So, let's consider the options available to you:

      1) Spend hours a day spamming Slashdot to get your affiliate code to poison people's sessions and hope they purchase some stuff that you can hijack revenues for. You must continue to spam bullshit every day, indefinitely. Result: $100 a week.

      2) Invest two months into getting the certifications you've been telling us for several years you're "gonna get soon." Once done, apply for jobs that aren't the equivalent of a janitorial position, and easily get 6 figure income. Result: Your income doubles.

      So, you've chosen option 1 - which gets you an extra $100 a week - instead of option 2 - which gets you about $1000 extra per week indefinitely, and leaves you free time to enjoy the fruits of your labors.

      In light of that, please, tell us more about how you're increasing your ability to earn by focusing all your efforts on a program that's well outside your control and which nets you a couple dollars a day, instead of making your skill set more valuable and doubling your income. Give us more advice on how to get rich quick, creimer!

    24. Re:$55k by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      So, you've chosen option 1 - which gets you an extra $100 a week [...]

      Keep in mind that I've shown in my "spreadsheet" is what I made on Slashdot. It doesn't include the two dozen other affiliate links that I have.

      Give us more advice on how to get rich quick, creimer!

      Get rich quick schemes don't work.

    25. Re:$55k by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you've mastered the get poor slow scheme perfectly.

    26. Re:$55k by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      But you've mastered the get poor slow scheme perfectly.

      I don't come home, drop a six-pack next to the chair and watch TV all night.

    27. Re:$55k by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't come home, drop a six-pack next to the chair and watch TV all night.

      No, you come home, take a nap, then sit there dreaming about all the awesome money you're going to make someday, just as soon as somebody clicks your links or buys your ebooks.

      Instead of actually working hard, bettering yourself, and making more money, you're relying on get rich quick schemes that are solely under the control of other people. And what will you do when Amazon decides that paying out revenues is only truly useful to them when somebody drives people to a specific item? 99% of your revenues dry up and disappear if they make that change, and it's not really an unimaginable change for Amazon - it'd encourage advertisers to actually try to customize their marketing, and it's not like Amazon needs YOUR ad links on slashdot for readers to remember that Amazon exists, and the sell things. I'd wager that all of those items that have no clicks associated are on your list because somebody clicked one of your idiotic links, then later that night, went directly to amazon and purchased something, and never even noticed that your affiliate bullshit was still there.

      You're not driving revenues to Amazon, you're siphoning revenues from them for doing nothing.

      Also, I noticed you took down your little spreadsheet. What's the matter, afraid somebody will point out that it's an obvious fake?

    28. Re:$55k by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      And what will you do when Amazon decides that paying out revenues is only truly useful to them when somebody drives people to a specific item?

      Multiple revenue streams. Amazon is one of many.

      What's the matter, afraid somebody will point out that it's an obvious fake?

      I made the data available for one hour. You got a peek, now you can bitch about it.

    29. Re:$55k by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like afraid it would get forwarded to the IRS.

    30. Re:$55k by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      More like afraid it would get forwarded to the IRS.

      Amazon will send me a 1099 at tax time.

    31. Re:$55k by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You weren't standing in the right place at the right time.

    32. Re:$55k by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Despite all the bullshit flying around, some of us like it when people provide links rather than just text. Thank you even if it is an affiliate link.

  2. Bell & Melinda Gates Foundation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Philanthropic efforts"

    1. Re:Bell & Melinda Gates Foundation by Caesar+Tjalbo · · Score: 1

      He can do charity all he want but he'll still burn in hell for eternity because of what he's done with Microsoft. Says me, atheist.

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  3. That's not giving it away by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He still controls all of that money, but now he doesn't have to pay taxes on it.

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    1. Re:That's not giving it away by careysub · · Score: 1

      Mod this guy up!

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    2. Re:That's not giving it away by MightyYar · · Score: 1, Redundant

      He didn't pay taxes on it before, either. When he dies, the funds stay with the Foundation instead of being part of his estate.

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    3. Re:That's not giving it away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was the point of the parent. Learn to read.

    4. Re:That's not giving it away by enjar · · Score: 4, Informative

      They publish annual reports of where the money goes, and independent auditor reports. It's not like he's spending it on oil paintings of himself. https://www.gatesfoundation.or... https://www.gatesfoundation.or...

    5. Re:That's not giving it away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't he also get a tax break for 'donating' that money?

    6. Re:That's not giving it away by sycodon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You think he's going to buy a yacht with it?

      You think he's gonna buy hookers with it?

      Why are you people so bent out of shape?

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    7. Re:That's not giving it away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      He still controls all of that money, but now he doesn't have to pay taxes on it.

      Sort of. He gets to decide which charitable causes it goes to. It's not like he's buying Ferrari's with the money. Charities have to abide by rules of charitable giving. Do you have any real evidence that the Gates Foundation is miss-using the funds, or are you just making unfounded and misleading innuendo?

    8. Re:That's not giving it away by JohnStock · · Score: 0

      What a bitter and twisted person you are making comments towards someone who's doing so much good in the world.

    9. Re:That's not giving it away by swillden · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He still controls all of that money, but now he doesn't have to pay taxes on it.

      He didn't pay any taxes on it before. You don't pay taxes on unrealized gains. Now, he's made it so that he'll never realize any gains on that stock, and so that he can't spend it on himself, but only on charitable efforts. By any reasonable definition of the word, that is "giving it away". The most you can argue is that until the Gates Foundation (assuming that's where it went) spends it on fighting malaria or whatnot, it hasn't actually been given away yet. But he's moved it to where it can only be given away, so that's a distinction without a difference.

      Not that he doesn't still have more money than he could ever possibly spend on himself anyway. This gift will have no impact on his personal life.

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    10. Re:That's not giving it away by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Informative

      I should say the same for you. He wasn't paying taxes before. The parent implies that he needs to pay taxes on it now. He does not - it is paper wealth, and we have no wealth tax. When he dies, his estate would have to pay taxes unless the assets were first donated to a charity. When he dies, he has control over nothing - the trustees of the charity will. He can make his wishes known, and that's it.

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    11. Re:That's not giving it away by Vermonter · · Score: 1

      He is certainly doing a lot of good in the world, and we should be thankful for that. But what we shouldn't do (and if I recall Bill Gates has said this as well), is hold him as some sort of hero, since when he donates, he's not really sacrificing his own personal comfort or anything in doing so. What Bill Gates is doing makes him a charitable person, but it doesn't make him a great person.

    12. Re:That's not giving it away by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I think what everyone is getting at is that this is a scam. It looks like charity when really it's all about tax liability with the added bonus of virtue signalling. Moreover he still controls the wealth. Until it has been given away, not merely pledged, there shouldn't be any benefits.

    13. Re:That's not giving it away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats interesting that you think that he can only become a hero if he gives away all of his personal wealth and comfort. Why is that? He has donated significant amounts to charity - much much more than many other billionaires before him. On top of it we have one set of people saying he should've just paid his taxes and 2nd set of people saying he needs to do more! What ingrates.

    14. Re:That's not giving it away by bws111 · · Score: 1

      If you count winding up with less money than you would have had if you paid the taxes as a 'tax break', then yes.

      What's with the scare quotes around 'donating'? Do you have some evidence that he did not donate, or that the foundation does not meet the criteria of a charitable non-profit?

    15. Re:That's not giving it away by ninthbit · · Score: 1

      You need to learn some economics. By donating the stock, he's gifted it pre-capital gains tax. Now, it's going to get cashed out by a tax exempt organization that can then spend it back on operating costs that likely go back to Bill via exempt or at least otherwise reduced taxes... likely in a country with little oversight on these things.

    16. Re:That's not giving it away by ChrisMaple · · Score: 0

      Doesn't the Gates Foundation support Common Core, the widely-used mind-crippling educational standard?

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    17. Re:That's not giving it away by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Likely go back to Bill? What the hell. OK, Bill Gates is evil. Carry on.

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    18. Re:That's not giving it away by bws111 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The point that SANE people are getting is there AREN'T any benefits like you suppose.

      Let's say you have $1B in unrealized gains. Your tax liability on that is exactly $0.

      Supposed you realize the gains, and DO NOT donate. You pay $150M tax, and keep $850M for yourself. However, if you donate the shares, you pay $0 taxes and keep $0 for yourself. Where, exactly, is this supposed 'benefit'? It may be bad financially for the government (aww) if you donate, but it is worse financially for you if you DO donate.

      The 'he controls the wealth' is nonsense. The foundation controls the wealth, and their are strict laws on what can and can not be done with the money. Chief among the 'can nots' is that the money can not benefit HIM.

    19. Re:That's not giving it away by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's a scam at all. We have tax law that lets you deduct charitable contributions because we value those contributions greater than we value the tax revenue. This isn't about anything shady. He "controls the wealth" insofar as he uses it for charitable causes, which is not really controlling the wealth.

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    20. Re:That's not giving it away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think he's going to buy a yacht with it?

      You think he's gonna buy hookers with it?

      Maybe. The recipient of the donation isn't specified.

    21. Re:That's not giving it away by roman_mir · · Score: 0

      I agree with you, he should not be donating anything to anybody, he should use his money to build businesses to make more money by creating new types of goods and services that people would pay for voluntarily because it would benefit them. That's the only proper way of using savings, not dissipating them in unsustainable manner, which is what charity is.

    22. Re:That's not giving it away by Oceanplexian · · Score: 1

      Perhaps instead of "donating" the money to third world countries, he could simply pay taxes on it and support the American infrastructure and government that he took advantage of to start and run a profitable business.

      There are a lot of poor, hungry, and disadvantaged people in our own country and you don't need to look beyond our borders to find them.

    23. Re:That's not giving it away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Gee, and who's the trustee's of his and his wife's foundation??? Why it's Bill and Melinda with their good buddy Warren "trailer park slum lord" Buffet. They are all listed as those who "control" the fund. I guess you missed the whole HPV vaccine scam the foundation had going on the benefited him and his wife + Buffet DIRECTLY??? Do you also think the Clinton Foundation is all on the up and up too? There is some missing 501(c)(3) filings that say otherwise.

    24. Re:That's not giving it away by ranton · · Score: 2

      The 'he controls the wealth' is nonsense. The foundation controls the wealth, and their are strict laws on what can and can not be done with the money. Chief among the 'can nots' is that the money can not benefit HIM.

      While I do generally like how Bill Gates has been spending his billions, just because he cannot buy a yacht with the money doesn't mean it doesn't benefit him. Bill Gates still has all the money he will ever need to buy anything he will ever want. Just about the only thing left is the ability to do the type of social engineering usually reserved for governments.

      Bill Gates donates to his charity so he has control over 100% of those social engineering efforts, instead of only around 80% of it. If he paid taxes on those realized gains, the government would get to decide how to spend some of that money instead of Gates.

      Ignoring whether or not it is a good thing that billionaires are able to "play government" with their billions without paying their full tax burden, it is at least true that Gates is dodging taxes with this charitable giving. Whether or not that is a bad thing is another conversation.

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    25. Re:That's not giving it away by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      do you know where you are?

    26. Re:That's not giving it away by Strider- · · Score: 1

      The 'he controls the wealth' is nonsense. The foundation controls the wealth, and their are strict laws on what can and can not be done with the money. Chief among the 'can nots' is that the money can not benefit HIM.

      In addition, charitable organizations, especially high profile ones such as this, face an immense amount of scrutiny both public and private. In WA, any charity/tax exempt organization with annual gross revenues over $3,000,000 must perform a full audit of their financials by an appropriate accounting firm. Secondly, they must file an extensive tax return with the IRS, which is made public, detailing all sorts of information on the organization, including their sources of revenue, salaries and identities of directors/officers, salaries/names of the 5 highest paid employees, as well as all grants and such paid out. This is all publicly available.

      I sit on the board of a small(ish) WA charity (About $3.5 million annual revenue, $12 million in assets). We face the same level of scrutiny, and requirements for transparency. Do we need to detail where every dollar went? No. On our Form 990 we declare, for example, that $1,200,000 was spent on guest services (Food, housekeeping supplies, similar). So yeah, if you just had the form 990, there's no way to verify that. However, since our revenues are > $3,000,000, there's also a signed auditor's reports that states that our claims in these areas are materially correct. If we're claiming $1.2 million for food/guest services, then we're not hiding hookers and blow within that.

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    27. Re:That's not giving it away by guruevi · · Score: 1

      If you're creative enough there are all sorts of way you can benefit from a charity. Why do you think pretty much every rich person has a personal foundation (Trump Foundation, Clinton Foundation, Gates Foundation, Buffet Foundation) that spends incredible amounts of money on "overhead" to the point they are barely giving any of it away.

      Remember when the Gates Foundation was donating to schools - what did he donate - Microsoft hardware and software. So the foundation purchased Microsoft "stuff" and then 'donated' them to schools. And so the value of Microsoft goes up as do the shares he continues to control and then he has to shake some hands and show his face, so he travels, on the foundation's funds obviously, nice hotel for a week or two, private jet etc.

      Yeah, I'm sure he doesn't "personally benefit" from those things.

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    28. Re:That's not giving it away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, tell that to the people in India as young as 14 that were forced in to being lab rats for an HPV vaccine that him and his foundation are invested in. That's real "heroic".

    29. Re:That's not giving it away by hord · · Score: 1

      It's reliant on instruments that have variable value and are inherently risky. This completely ignores the time value of money because accolades are awarded on nominal values rather the actual distributions that come out of a trust or fund. Tell me the *total* amount distributed and how that has impacted the world and you might get some applause from me.

    30. Re:That's not giving it away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chief among the 'can nots' is that the money can not benefit HIM.

      Would this include such "charitable" activities as providing schools with Microsoft software for educational use?

    31. Re:That's not giving it away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to the links you provide, it seems that these billions of dollars in donations will never actually be spent or otherwise return to the greater economy in any meaningful sense. Is it not true that they'll be held in a tax-advantaged trust, with only the proceeds from investment actually being turned over for charitable use?

    32. Re:That's not giving it away by bws111 · · Score: 1

      Millions of non-billionaires donate to all sorts of charities. In 2016 it amounted to almost $400B. In every one of those cases they get a tax deduction. Are all of those people doing something wrong? Are all of those people not 'paying their full tax burden'?

      The simple fact is 'your full tax burden' is defined by one thing: the law. If you are not breaking the law, then you ARE 'paying your full tax burden'.

    33. Re:That's not giving it away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because this is Slashdot and the story is about Bill Gates. Bill Gates = Micro$oft so therefore is always wrong and evil.

    34. Re:That's not giving it away by bws111 · · Score: 1

      Try to think. The amount of tax that would be owed if the securities were not donated is between 0% (if there were no capital gains) and 15% (if the securities had a cost basis of $0) of the value of the securities.

      So, in order for a donation to have a financial benefit, he would have to make back between 85% and 100% of the value of the donation JUST TO BREAK EVEN. It is idiotic to assume that is the case. And if he DID manage to make back ANY money, even below the 85% mark, it would be subject to taxes (unless he gave it away again, in which case it did not benefit him at all).

    35. Re:That's not giving it away by MattskEE · · Score: 2

      You know that the Gates foundation also does a lot of work in the US right? And it buys things from taxpaying US companies, funds research in the US through grants, and directly employs US taxpayers. The US sees direct benefits from his foundation.

      Further, he is absolutely free to direct his foundations priorities in the areas where he wants to make an impact, so long as the foundation keeps meeting the IRS definition of a charitable non-profit. It's all charitable work so it's tax exempt the same as every other charitable organization.

      I don't see what there is to complain about when the Gates foundation is treated the exact same way as any other charitable non-profit.

    36. Re:That's not giving it away by bws111 · · Score: 1

      What is the problem with that? If you have $10B, you could give away $1B/year for 10 years. That is good. Or, you could put that $10B in a tax-advantaged trust that yields 10%, and just give away the proceeds. That way, you can give away $1B/year forever. That is better. I fail to see the problem.

    37. Re:That's not giving it away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why mod up? Why insightful? He might control it but he's not spending it on beer and hookers; it's not his money.

    38. Re:That's not giving it away by ranton · · Score: 1

      Millions of non-billionaires donate to all sorts of charities. In 2016 it amounted to almost $400B. In every one of those cases they get a tax deduction. Are all of those people doing something wrong? Are all of those people not 'paying their full tax burden'?

      The simple fact is 'your full tax burden' is defined by one thing: the law. If you are not breaking the law, then you ARE 'paying your full tax burden'.

      My assumption is that in most of those cases they are not donating to charities they operate, so none of the concerns I mentioned are applicable.

      And tax burden is not an official term in the IRS code, so the law has little to do with it. The law represents what those currently in power want each person's tax burden to be. Those who complain about billionaires donating to their own charities obviously take issue with these laws. Without taking sides, it shouldn't be hard to at least understand this argument. Feel free to disagree with it if you like but there isn't anything logically dishonest about it.

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    39. Re:That's not giving it away by tattood · · Score: 1

      Millions of non-billionaires donate to all sorts of charities. In 2016 it amounted to almost $400B. In every one of those cases they get a tax deduction. Are all of those people doing something wrong? Are all of those people not 'paying their full tax burden'?

      Those people are probably making those donations by giving cash (check/credit card). They have (presumably) already paid tax on that money when they received it as a paycheck, and that is why they get the tax deduction. Bill Gates is giving stock that he owns, not cash from his bank account. When the foundation wants to use some of this money, they have to sell the stock on the open market, and then they can spend the proceeds of the stock sale. Gates has not paid any taxes on the stock that he is donating because he has not sold it. I think that is what people are complaining about; that he can avoid paying taxes on billions of dollars, but he still gets to spend that money through his charities.

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    40. Re:That's not giving it away by stabiesoft · · Score: 1

      You don't know much about trusts if you believe he does not have absolute control over the money even in death.

    41. Re: That's not giving it away by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Yeah... Nobody is paying the inheritance tax. Nobody.

      Well, if you're paying much of it, you were given poor advice. Avoiding taxes is perfectly legal. These same mechanisms are available to anyone, and aren't horribly expensive.

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    42. Re: That's not giving it away by KGIII · · Score: 1

      If only they had itemized lists of where the money was spent, that'd make it easier. If only...

      Oh, wait! They do!

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    43. Re: That's not giving it away by KGIII · · Score: 1

      You know that's public information, right? There are even links in this thread.

      I don't think he much cares about your opinion, or applause, however. Still, you can easily get this information. They get a complete audit, every year. You don't even have to pay to see the results, they'll give them to you.

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    44. Re:That's not giving it away by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      Why mod up? Why insightful? He might control it but he's not spending it on beer and hookers; it's not his money.

      It would not be physically possible to spend $4.6 billion on beer and hookers.

      Take hookers, each hired at $2500 a day for the remaining 20 years of his life. Do the math : that would be over 300 hookers available 24/7. He could not even get them all in the bedroom let alone do anything else. And that is not even touching the rest of his fortune. As an alternative, I leave it as an excercise to the reader to work out how much beer he would have to drink, but I guess it would float the Titanic and a fraction of it would certainly kill him.

    45. Re:That's not giving it away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If he "loses control" then why not donate it to a "charity" that doesn't have his FRICKING NAME ON IT?

      Do you think a charity should be allowed to invest tax-free?

      Do you think a company funded by a charitable organization should be able to issue shares to anybody it pleases?

      Do you think laws are written by well paid lobbyists?

      Do you think?

    46. Re:That's not giving it away by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      he is absolutely free to direct his foundations ... in the areas where he wants to make an impact

      How about he first refunds to his victims the money he made by abuse of monopoly and shady business practices? For example Gates has had some of my money in that I've had to buy PCs pre-loaded with Windows even though I did not want it and never used it. If he were the saint we are supposed to believe, he should commission a independent financial review to calculate what he should give back to his "customers". Then do what he likes with the rest.

    47. Re:That's not giving it away by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      What a bitter and twisted person you are making comments towards someone who's doing so much good in the world.

      He is "doing good" with money got by shady business practices. A little bit of it is mine (Microsoft Windows tax on new PCs) which should not have gone to him because I don't use Windows. He is like a bank robber who drops some loose change in the charity box by the door as he leaves. But I'd prefer to choose my own charities to donate to, not Gates' charities.

    48. Re:That's not giving it away by guruevi · · Score: 1

      It's a bit more complicated than that, obviously he would have to pay the 15% in taxes if he converts the securities in usable (liquid) funds. He would also continue having to pay income taxes on everything else he gains (35%). If you give away the securities to a charity, he pays 0%, he also gets to deduct the donation from his income taxes so he lowers his income taxes.

      Now if he sets up the foundation in his name, he gives the money to the foundation, it benefits his company tremendously not just today but in the long run, once you've stuck a school with Microsoft, they have to keep paying to keep it up. On the other hand, through his own foundation he pays virtually no "taxes" on it because everything remotely connected to the donation (time, office supplies, home office, ...) and all the travel he wants gets expensed, he doesn't even have to pay sales tax on the plane tickets.

      The rich do not become nor stay rich by paying their fair share.

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    49. Re:That's not giving it away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, the title should read "Gates dodges over $1B in taxes".

    50. Re:That's not giving it away by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      How the heck can one reliably yield 10%?

    51. Re:That's not giving it away by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      "He" won't control anything. He'll be dead. But his trustees will control his money when dead. He can make his wishes known, but that won't last forever. The Barnes Museum in Philly jumps to mind.

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    52. Re:That's not giving it away by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I think he's going to promote excessively strong IP law in developing nations with it, to a degree that will basically result in them being wholly owned by corporate interests when the first major health crisis comes along that requires patented medication.

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    53. Re:That's not giving it away by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It would not be physically possible to spend $4.6 billion on beer and hookers.

      He doesn't have to personally consume all of the beer and hookers. He could be throwing a party.

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    54. Re:That's not giving it away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe. Maybe. Tax evasion for the rich.

  4. Taxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So now he'll never pay taxes on that money, but can still do pretty much whatever he wants with it. Why is it legal to donate to your own charity?

    1. Re:Taxes by Octorian · · Score: 1

      It may be debatable as to whether you should be able to donate to your own charitable fund, but the whole concept of these funds actually makes sense. There is a version of these funds that's actually available to "normal" people without their own organizations. They're called "Donor Advised Funds." (If you ever see a clueless article about some fancy person giving money to the "Silicon Valley Community Fund," that is one of these such funds.)

      These funds give you a way to separate the act of "getting the tax benefit of making a big donation" from the act of "actually making the donation to charities." They actually serve a useful purpose.

      Let's say that you find yourself with a large lump of income (or appreciated securities, or anything else donate-able), and you want to get the tax benefit of donating a portion of it during a given year. However, you aren't yet ready to figure out how to divide it among every single charity you might want to contribute to. So you donate it to a DAF, and then later "direct" the funds at your leisure. (And while its in the DAF, it can get invested with the gains not being taxed.)

    2. Re:Taxes by bws111 · · Score: 1

      Charitable donations do not provide a 'tax benefit'. Ever.

      A tax benefit leaves you with more money than you would have without the benefit. A charitable donation leaves you with less money.

      The only way a donation can be seen as a tax benefit is if you simply do not want to pay taxes, as opposed to keeping more of your money (which is what normal people consider a tax benefit).

    3. Re:Taxes by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      Why is it legal to donate to your own charity?

      Because the rich make the rules and love a good tax dodge. The close cousin to this is donating to each others charities in similar amounts for tax free perks.

    4. Re:Taxes by Strider- · · Score: 1

      Once it hits the Foundation, the activities are open for all to see. Anyone can pull up a copy of their IRS Form 990, which lists all the grants received by the foundation, given by the foundation, lists the various activities of the organization, lists the compensation for the key employees and officers/directors (plus their names), and so forth. It's all there, for anyone who cares to read through the 1124 pages to see. To look at it, go here: https://www.gatesfoundation.or...

      So yes, Mr. Gates obviously has significant influence over the direction of the organization, but every action it takes is in the light of day.

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  5. Giving money to your own charity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That seems not charity but more like an investment and every really rich people seems have their own charity.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/39z97m/why_do_rich_people_setup_their_own_charity_rather/
    http://www.salon.com/2013/04/12/10_tax_dodges_that_help_the_rich_get_richer_partner/
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/georgeosborne/9195571/Wealthiest-people-abusing-tax-system-with-donations-to-charities-that-dont-do-charitable-work.html

    http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/12/gates-foundations-24-most-egregious-investments/
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/gates-foundation-accused-of-dangerously-skewing-aid-priorities-by-promoting-big-business-a6822036.html
    http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique

  6. Posturing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's done so much harm by selling overpriced software that consistently under-delivers, and all the other shit he did, and now he's saying "lookit meee! I'm bein' a fillytropeest!!!1!"... instead of, you know, using that fortune to fix his damn software.

    I have far more respect for Steve Jobs in this respect, for he didn't announce his philantropy. And while his software sucks, it does suck quite a measurable lot less than billy gee's.

    1. Re:Posturing by VanGarrett · · Score: 1

      Bill Gates stepped down as CEO in 2000, left the company in 2006, and hasn't been involved at all since 2014. You're blaming him for stuff he's got nothing to do with, and the versions of Windows that did happen under his watch, were quite popular. Except for Windows ME. No one liked Windows ME.

    2. Re:Posturing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Popularity has nothing to do with it.

      He laid the foundations, gave the company its questionable ethics, and whether or not he left, he could have done used that fortune to fix the damn software, but opted not to.

  7. Re:Please donate responsibly by Lisandro · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You should check on Gate's philanthropy background. Think what you may about him, he donated a shitload of money to very good causes over the world.

  8. Re:Please donate responsibly by 110010001000 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "or funding organic school lunches for poor-neighborhood children"

    Spoke like a true alt-right suburbanite. How would you know how children in poor neighborhoods eat? Scumbag.

  9. Sorry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But I can't say that's cool without knowing who the recipient is, so 'no comment'.

  10. Re:Please donate responsibly by TimothyHollins · · Score: 1

    Yes, I know that he has done some great things, such as exterminating polio. But he does have an Achilles-heel when it comes to coding.
    Reducing the footprint of malaria across Africa is a great endeavor sure to help the world, sending some special group to summer camp where they can be told what to appreciate not so much.

  11. Re:Please donate responsibly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Instantly triggered like a true ANTIFA member. How do you know he doesn't know? Loser.

  12. Re:Please donate responsibly by KiloByte · · Score: 2

    He also made massive donations to promoting genital mutilation (instead of fighting it).

    He also prefers $1000 per dose meds bought from companies he cooperates with instead of $2 per dose of the same substance produced locally. Worse, receiving those $1000 meds usually comes with strings attached where they're contingent on passing laws that shut down production of generics in the name of "intellectual property".

    B&M Gates Foundation is one of worst charities.

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  13. "Recipient of the gift wasn't specified" by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

    The $4.6B donation will go to the Surface team to help improve the drivers.

    1. Re:"Recipient of the gift wasn't specified" by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Followed by a donation of 4.6 billion dollars' worth of Surface Pro 4s to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

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  14. Re:Please donate responsibly by TimothyHollins · · Score: 1

    You seem to have some anger-related issues. That's not good for your heart.

    You make it very easy for me when you call me alt-right, since it takes a very particular kind of person to skip the thinking part and jump straight to calling others alt-right. Especially when the data on obesity and its correlation to low income (hint: crap food costs less than healthy food) has been so well documented for so many years. Even the simplest form of due diligence, a google search, reveals a results page filled with studies and articles talking about the connection between obesity and low income families. Go on, try it.

    You really should try the thinking part, its amazing for continuing discussions and you might even earn some respect from your colleagues.

  15. Damn Those Rich People! by sycodon · · Score: 1

    That money should go to the Feds so it can be spend it the way it SHOULD be spent!! /S

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  16. Economy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How does this affect the economy. This money was basically out of circulation. Isn't this similar to printing another 4 billion and dumping it into the economy? Does this devalue our currency?

    1. Re:Economy by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      It's complicated. The most direct effect is devaluing the stock, if the charity sells it.

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    2. Re:Economy by enjar · · Score: 1

      The US economy is "worth" something like 18.6 trillion dollars, or 18,600 billion. 4.6 billion is 0.024 percent of the US GDP. So even if the foundation sold that all immediately, effectively nothing happens to US GDP. Average *daily* trading volume on markets like NYSE is in the hundreds of billions. Wikipedia says NYSE did $169B/day of trades in 2013. So selling 4.6B of stock in a day would be 2.7% of the daily volume of NYSE in 2013. A lot of times these foundations set up scheduled sales, to sell X number of shares on certain intervals as part of a diversement strategy.

    3. Re:Economy by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      The US economy is "worth" something like 18.6 trillion dollars, or 18,600 billion. 4.6 billion is 0.024 percent of the US GDP. So even if the foundation sold that all immediately, effectively nothing happens to US GDP. Average *daily* trading volume on markets like NYSE is in the hundreds of billions. Wikipedia says NYSE did $169B/day of trades in 2013. So selling 4.6B of stock in a day would be 2.7% of the daily volume of NYSE in 2013. A lot of times these foundations set up scheduled sales, to sell X number of shares on certain intervals as part of a diversement strategy.

      Hey, now! It would have offset inflation for a week... or less. So nyaaaah! :P </humor>

  17. meanwhile he still lays off his employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funds his foundation by layoffs.

    He could have given this stock to the people who made him rich. Nope. Can't reward those who make him rich.

  18. Nice tax dodge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice tax dodge, if you can get it.

  19. Re:Please donate responsibly by sycodon · · Score: 1

    You did know of that whole Michelle Obama Lunch rules thing, right?

    We all know how kids on Free Lunch programs ate. Because Michelle never got tired of telling us.

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  20. Re:Please donate responsibly by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Because I know he doesn't know what I know. We don't eat coke and hamburgers.

  21. Re:Please donate responsibly by swillden · · Score: 1

    Citations?

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  22. Cheat taxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you donate appreciated shares to a charity you get to write off the current value of the shares. This means you avoid paying capital gains on any of those shares and the donation can also reduce your tax liability on your other earnings. I haven't looked into how the alternative minimum tax affects this, but even if it limits the tax benefit at the federal level, it doesn't affect the benefit at the state level.

    1. Re:Cheat taxes by Your.Master · · Score: 1

      There's no state income tax in Washington in the first place. But charitable giving is still deductible under AMT.

      This all misses the point though. Being taxed or not literally doesn't change Bill Gates' life at all. He's still a rich-ass multi-billionaire regardless. Doesn't matter to him, just a way to funnel more of it to charity. Which is literally the point of the charitable giving deduction, so it's not so much "cheating taxes" as "using the tax code exactly as intended, promoting charitable giving".

  23. Re:Please donate responsibly by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Give it up Timmy. You just outed yourself: "poor-neighborhood children (that will still eat hamburgers and coke for dinner and breakfast)" Disgusting. I really dislike suburbanite types like yourself who think they know what is going on the real world. Here is a hint Timmy: plenty of doughy suburbanite kids eat hamburgers and coke.

  24. Jealousy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why are you people so bent out of shape?

    Jealousy, that's why. Of course he'll never admit it, not even to himself.

  25. Re:Please donate responsibly by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Maybe you should listen to her. Plenty of kids DO eat hamburgers and coke. Not just "inner city" kids (and we call know what that is code for).

  26. Re:Please donate responsibly by sycodon · · Score: 1

    I'll eat what I please, thank you very much.

    Meanwhile, you can stop lecturing people on shit you apparently know nothing about.

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  27. Re:Please donate responsibly by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Go ahead and stuff whatever you want into your mouth. It is your life. The rest of us will listen to good advice.

  28. Sigh. by ledow · · Score: 1

    Is this news? He's "pledged" to give away 50% of his wealth (any timescale, I'm not sure?), this is about 5%.

    Who'd have thought it would be so hard to give away money and just live on the billions you have left? Just ask Monty Brewster, I suppose.

    But then, supposedly he gets a tax break, so is that defined as something that Monty's lawyers would class as an asset or profit?

    1. Re:Sigh. by captaindomon · · Score: 1, Informative

      He's given away about 1/3 of his wealth so far. Seems like he is honest in his pledge to me so far. After all, he's only 61 years old right now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  29. Re:Please donate responsibly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I highly doubt so, I see it more like an overly complex PR lobbying machine that try to align big business with some sort of humanitarian help.

    http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/12/gates-foundations-24-most-egregious-investments/
    https://www.pambazuka.org/governance/another-missionary-africa-bill-gates-myth
    https://www.rt.com/news/328014-kenya-gmo-us-gates-monsanto/
    http://www.alternet.org/food/bill-gates-mission-sell-gmos-africa-hes-not-telling-whole-truth
    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/oct/24/no-such-thing-free-gift-gates-foundation-philanthropy-review

  30. 64 million shares? by Black.Shuck · · Score: 5, Funny

    That should be enough for anybody.

  31. Tax dodge by mpercy · · Score: 1

    W Buffett used similar option to cancel huge swaths of his tax liabilities in a triple-dip dodge. He donated billions to charities he controls, sure, but he donated appreciated shares of stock. So first he deducted the charitable donation, at the same time bypassing capital gains taxes, and he significantly reduced his potential estate taxes. And he created $10B in carryover deductions for future years.

    Imagine if he had simply sold his shares, paid income and CG taxes, then didn't deduct the gifts on his taxes. Or just left the money in his estate so the government could get 40%. Think of the revenue he stole from taxpayers!

    Won't hear progressives complaining, instead we get BG & WB saying taxes need to be higher.

    1. Re:Tax dodge by bws111 · · Score: 2

      What you are complaining about is that he didn't pay taxes on money he never had and never will have. Do you pay taxes on money you never had?

    2. Re:Tax dodge by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Wow, are you biased. If he had donated shares of stock that hadn't appreciated, or shares that had gone to zero, the financial effects to him would have been no different.

      What the donation of appreciated stock to charity gains him is power and reputation. The reputation of being a very good guy, to people who think that donation to charity is a virtue. Power, by controlling the actions of charities to which he has given stock.

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    3. Re:Tax dodge by mpercy · · Score: 1

      No, I'm complaining about WB complaining about his taxes not being high enough, then jumping through hoops to to avoid taxes.

      Since he has expressed the opinion that his taxes are too low and that government needs more money, WB could have sold the shares directly, paid CG taxes on the appreciated value, paid the 3.8% Medicare surcharge tax from Obamacare on top of that, then given the remaining cash to a charity he (one that doesn't control would make the optics better) and then not taken a deduction for the gift (nor carried-over the deduction).

      It's his money, he can do with it as he pleases. If he'd never complained about how "unfair" it is about his taxes and how taxes need to be higher, I'd be congratulating him on his ability to avoid taxes as much as legally possible.

    4. Re:Tax dodge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check out the various comments on this thread reminding everyone that no matter how much tax anyone avoids by donating to charity, they are giving away a lot more money than they'd have if they kept it and paid the taxes. The math is very simple.

    5. Re:Tax dodge by bws111 · · Score: 1

      When WB says his taxes are not high enough, he doesn't just mean himself personally, he means a segment of the population.

      Presumably, WB has certain areas that he thinks are underfunded by taxes. And, presumably, he thinks that if there was more tax revenue then those areas could be properly funded.

      But, the reality is that the tax revenue is currently not high enough to fund those areas, and if he DID voluntarily pay more taxes very little of that money, if any, would go to the areas he is concerned about.

      So, given the reality of the current tax situation, it makes much more sense for him to directly fund those areas of concern than it does for him to voluntarily pay more taxes.

      There is nothing even slightly hypocritical about saying 'I think taxes should be higher so we can properly fund x,y, and z, but until they are I will directly fund those things myself'.

  32. Re: Please donate responsibly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not from anybody named Obama, that's for sure.

  33. Re:Please donate responsibly by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

    Spoke like a true alt-right suburbanite. How would you know how children in poor neighborhoods eat? Scumbag.

    I can say with confidence from a family member who used to teach in Lancaster, a true ghetto, that McDonalds was the biggest beneficiary of Michelle Obamas push to make school lunch be healthy and unappealing. He found it amusing, but I guess he must have been an alt-right suburbanite scumbag for observing reality.

  34. Re:Please donate responsibly by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    That's because you shoot coke.

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  35. Re:Please donate responsibly by TimothyHollins · · Score: 1

    Didn't like the thinking part, eh? Fair enough, it's not for everyone.

    You still haven't addressed the scientific consensus pointing out the strong correlation between poor-neighborhood upbringing and obesity.
    The only information you are trying to convey in your post is "plenty of doughy suburbanite kids eat hamburgers and coke." which, while formulated in a way I find charming and prosaic, doesn't hold. If you want to use suburban as a proxy for "not-poor-neighborhood upbringing", then the scientific consensus is the opposite of your feelings.
    And it unfortunately seems that all you are willing to contribute to this discussion is a cornucopia of feelings, most of which are no doubt harmful to your longterm health.

    Oh, and the suburbanite thing was also wrong :)

  36. From one pocket to another... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yay Bill! We applaud you for shifting money from one bank account to another. Such an amazing feat! Let's all worship you for such generosity.

  37. Re:Please donate responsibly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You will not find citations since the people behind these charities tend to have the power to prevent these reports from being published. An ex-girlfriend of mine worked for a charity in Niger (and please this is the name of a country and is not meant as racist slur). They trained the local population to diagnose the people with the right diseases and to make their own medication. After a few years of making progress, all of the sudden armed forces claiming to represent the government came to destroy all laboratories.
     
    The government had in exchange for free medication (and money of course) signed an agreement to respect American IP law and actively shut down piracy. The weapons were an extra bonus. Today these weapons are still used in the region by a group with the name Boko Haram (literary Western teachings are evil). Note this was in the mid nineties, and that was when Bill Gates was still busy with his job at Microsoft. But they were American charities nonetheless.

  38. Re:Please donate responsibly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://firstquarterfinance.com...

    These are the fast food places we can confirm accept EBT cards. Yes, Papa Murphy’s, Taco Bell, KFC, Church’s Chicken, Wendy’s, Dairy Queen, McDonald’s, El Pollo Loco, White Castle, Domino’s, Rally’s Hamburgers, and Subway are all fast food places that take EBT.

    http://www.salon.com/2010/03/1...

    Mak, 31, grew up in Westchester, graduated from the University of Chicago and toiled in publishing in New York during his 20s before moving to Baltimore last year with a meager part-time blogging job and prospects for little else. About half of his friends in Baltimore have been getting food stamps since the economy toppled, so he decided to give it a try; to his delight, he qualified for $200 a month.

    “I’m sort of a foodie, and I’m not going to do the ‘living off ramen’ thing,” he said, fondly remembering a recent meal he’d prepared of roasted rabbit with butter, tarragon and sweet potatoes. “I used to think that you could only get processed food and government cheese on food stamps, but it’s great that you can get anything.”

  39. Psychological stimulation by poofmeisterp · · Score: 2

    When you have that much money, you can randomly do weird things with it, with no risk, to get attention focused on you or to see what comes out of peoples' mouths... sort of a litmus test, if you will. I can't imagine what it would be like to have that much money and get bored enough to fuck with it just to stir the proverbial pot.

    I digress.

  40. Re: Please donate responsibly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't we just alt-tab the subject?

  41. Microsoft's Wealth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While it is great that Bill Gates is giving back to the world, it is also worth noting the source of that wealth.

    Microsoft has been taxing many innovative companies for over a decade regarding "Intellectual Property". Whether it is through proxies such as Intellectual Ventures and Rockstar Group, or by funding SCO litigation through Baystar, Microsoft has done great harm to the Information Technology field.

    Microsoft goes after individuals too. From Bill Gates famous 1976 letter to hobbyists to the psudo-police tactics of the Business Software Alliance, Microsoft has been treating customers like criminals for decades.

    Where does Microsoft get all of their wonderful innovation? Simply by copying others. Embrace Enhance Extinguish. This applies to many of their competitors - Xerox, Netscape, Novell. Nokia, Sun (Java), and many more. Hell, Microsoft even patented SUDO in 2009!

    What they don't copy, they buy. Microsoft and Intellectual Ventures has built a massive Patent portfolio, some of which was acquired from publicly funded universities. Vague patents for products that they never deploy are the ammunition that they use to shake-down other companies. With those that do not drink the MS cool-aid, FUD. Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt is the reason why so many Android vendors pay Microsoft. USB and portable media vendors pay Microsoft for exFAT (hardly an innovation).

    Microsoft, a convicted monopolist, has become a tax on innovation, a detriment to the IT industry, and a parasite to all. Bill Gates, Steve Ballmer, Nathan Mhyrvold, and others are personally responsible for this situation. So, call me bitter and twisted, but heed the truth of Richard Stallman's statement when Steve Jobs passed, "I'm not glad he's dead, but I'm glad he's gone." We will see history more clearly when these robber-barons are gone, even if they memorialize themselves through their foundations.

  42. Re:Please donate responsibly by KiloByte · · Score: 1

    Citations?

    * male genital mutilation

    * intellectual property laws: some vague stuff for example here; there's so many hits for their relations to "intellectual property" that it's hard to tell the whaff away. I can't search tonight, lemme find better citations later.

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  43. Sucking his own? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, let's see... Bill Gates gives X billion bucks to himself, so he can do what he would have done anyway. This reduces his income tax burden by roughly X/2. Hey, we just gave Bill X/2 bucks! He is so smart.

  44. Net negative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The world would have been better off without Microsoft, even if that means a few villages in Sudanese Nigeristan don't get new toilets this year.

  45. Re: Please donate responsibly by mean+pun · · Score: 1

    Not from anybody named Obama, that's for sure.

    Now, that is true. Lots of people, especially in the US, do not listen to good advice from anybody named Obama. Their loss, but they don't. But hey, Darwinism in action.

  46. Re: Please donate responsibly by sycodon · · Score: 1

    Michelle's Lunch plan was an exercise in futility.

    "Healthy" food pretty much tastes like ass unless you have talented people fixing it. That, you will not find in an inner city kitchen.

    More food was being thrown away and people were dripping out (which is actually a good thing. so I guess that's a redeeming quality of her program)

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  47. Why not 640K? by Logger · · Score: 1

    He should've only donated 640k, it's all anyone would ever need.

  48. Not Impressed by Jarwulf · · Score: 2

    If Gates wants to do something that was unquestionably sincere maybe he should give back that money to all the people he swindled so that they can be the revered philanthropists rather than use it to intentionally/inadvertently pump up his own reputation. Otherwise its just like a bankrobber donating to charity. Admittedly the money is going to a lot of good causes but its also going to some bad causes too. And the people he crushed could have donated that money all the same. When he’s as rich as he is theres nothing left to buy but your own legacy, a rational psychopath could do what Gate’s is doing so why he gets so much credit is puzzling. No doubt, he’s shown he’s very smart but he’s also shown he’s a ruthless businessman, a businessman who perhaps is still playing the same game he’s been playing just at a higher level. Instead of throwing money to buy businesses he’s throwing money around to buy hearts and minds. Maybe he’s truly changed but I’ve seen no evidence.

  49. a *lot* of people produced that wealth... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and a *lot* of them never shared in the spoils as they should have.

    It would be nice if he would *donate* some of it back to *them*.

  50. Re:Please donate responsibly by swillden · · Score: 1

    Citations?

    * male genital mutilation

    Okay, on that one you're being ridiculous.Circumcision is a debatable practice (though I'm circumcised, as are most American men, and I don't consider myself "mutilated"), but in this case it's being done for a very positive reason, which is that it's known to reduce the transmission of AIDS. The Gates Foundation provided support to a UN organization focused specifically on saving lives. That's making the world better, even if it does (theoretically) reduce a little sexual pleasure.

    * intellectual property laws: some vague stuff for example here; there's so many hits for their relations to "intellectual property" that it's hard to tell the whaff away. I can't search tonight, lemme find better citations later.

    Agreed, that's a poor citation.

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  51. None of This Excuses Bill From His Past Crimes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft; with Bill, Steve, and Paul in control; was directly responsible for so many violations of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act that I personally can't keep track of them all. You can essentially count every instance of EEE and FUD Microsoft ever perpetrated as additional violations of the Act.

    The number of companies Microsoft destroyed numbers in the hundreds, possibly thousands. The numbers of careers Microsoft destroyed numbers in the hundreds of thousands, possibly millions.

    The Justice Department (DoJ) lined up a hearty parade of lawsuits intended to bring Microsoft to justice for its crimes. They figured they would begin with one of the easiest ones where Microsoft leveraged its monopoly in PC operating systems to gain a new monopoly in web browser application software. That's an obvious and clear violation of the Act.

    Unfortunately, Microsoft's legal department had a budget for this single case that exceeded the DoJ's budget for all the cases they tried plus their governmental bureaucratic overhead. So, Microsoft was able to drag that lawsuit out for over a decade. As it was grinding to a halt, George W. Bush was elected President. In the first few months of his administration, he scuttled what remained of the lawsuit AFTER Microsoft was found guilty and the trial moved into the penalty phase. Sorry, this was a civil lawsuit so Microsoft was actually found "liable". It's the same thing as when the government failed to convict O.J. Simpson of murder, so the families of the victims sued and O.J. was found "liable". The important point here is the utter and complete failure of the government to enforce the law.

    Bill, Steve, and Paul made fun of our criminal justice system in the press the entire time. Since I live in western Washington, the heart of Microsoft country, I personally witnessed Bill on TV smiling as he made fun of the DoJ.

    Some people are still waiting for the government to do SOMETHING to bring these criminals to justice, still waiting for the dynamic trio's conviction for at least SOME of the crimes Microsoft committed, and still waiting for all of them to begin the prison sentences they so richly deserve.

    Instead, we have Millennials who fall to their knees at the very mention of their names, cooing, fawning, and worshipping the ground Bill walks on. Well folks, I humbly submit for your edification a simple mathematical and economic truth: if Bill, Steve, and Paul had not destroyed so many companies and careers, the total amount of money donated to charity over the years would be greater than the amounts Bill donates single-handedly these days and makes such great sounding headlines for.

  52. Self-donation shell game. by sethstorm · · Score: 2

    There's no donation, just a move-around.

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  53. ITT ignorance by XSportSeeker · · Score: 2

    I fully expect the comment area in this post to be filled with comments from people who never even heard all the stuff the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation did over the years.
    Because of course there is a predominant bias against Microsoft that will certainly contaminate and overlook all the work that the foundation has done.

    Quick read here before you post your creed against it:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    If you'd rather have Gates keep his money and let it go to his own family so that we have another bunch of Trumps running around, I hope you rot in hell.

  54. Slashdot is pathetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Old jokes and saying this no big deal. Seriously get over your hate of Bill Gates. It makes you look silly.

  55. Re:Please donate responsibly by KiloByte · · Score: 1

    in this case it's being done for a very positive reason, which is that it's known to reduce the transmission of AIDS

    Nope, the preponderance of evidence say the transmission of AIDS is either unaffected or enhanced by circumcision.

    Almost any claims that circumcision protects from AIDS quote the infamous Camp Orange/Orange Farms study. That study consists of an egregious list of scientific misconduct. For example, the circumcised group had received sexual education while the control group did not -- so it's not surprising that men who had a downtime and were taught safe(r) practices will have less AIDS. The researchers' bias was so strong they immediately destroyed the control group "so they can benefit too" before even the data was tabulated.

    Let's take a look at other studies:small increase of risk; no effect; large increase. Or for gay men: UK, US, Scotland.

    On the other hand, there's a significant increase of MtF transmission.

    But, if a study is funded by the Gates Foundation, it will be stopped early "because of futility" of protection, while in fact the preliminary data show a strong increase of risk.

    Or, papers outright lie about the conclusion: "Declining Rates in Male Circumcision amidst Increasing Evidence of its Public Health Benefit -- in all categories other than one the "benefit" is negative, and the only category where circumcision slightly wins (heterosexuals with syphilis) had a sample of 6.

    (though I'm circumcised, as are most American men, and I don't consider myself "mutilated"

    I'm sorry for you. Alas, people who suffer from some malady tend to have a strong bias that "it's the right thing to do". For example, the strongest driver for female circumcision are older women who were circumcised themselves. Same for the deaf.

    even if it does (theoretically) reduce a little sexual pleasure

    "theoretically", "a little"?!? While you're unable to make this test yourself, you can ask an intact friend: wear regular underwear (ie, not commando, not boxers), retract the foreskin, try walking. For extra bonus, do it where there are people around so you can't adjust (this randomly happened to me a couple times). The chafing is so strong it's a pain. If penises get so calloused such chafing is not noticeable, there's hardly any feeling left.

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  56. Re:Please donate responsibly by KiloByte · · Score: 1

    Or, another approach: as such studies are done on a limited sample that often suffers from some sort of selection bias, let's instead compare whole countries. Here are the figures for %HIV prevalence in the entire population, and ratios of prevalence in circumcized to uncircumcized men:

    (Sorry for the broken table, Slashdot considers any non-trivial <pre> to be "junk".)
    country %HIV c/i =i/c
    Kenya 6.7% 0.24 (1/4.20)
    Burkina Faso 1.8% 0.62 (1/1.61)
    Uganda 6.45 0.68 (1/1.47)
    Ivory Coast 4.75 0.74 (1/1.35)
    Ethiopia 1.4% 0.82 (1/1.22)

    Cameroon 5.5% 3.73
    Rwanda 3.0% 1.67
    Lesotho 23.5% 1.50
    Malawi 11.8% 1.39

    Tanzania 7.0% 1.16
    Ghana 2.2% 1.14
    Swaziland 25.9% 1.12

    As you can see, especially in countries with a high incidence of HIV, circumcized men are more affected.

    There are two strong outliers: Cameroon where intact is better, and Kenya where cut it better. But, in the latter, the vast majority (84%) of men are circumcised, while most of the rest belong to a single ethnic group. That group, the only tribe in Kenya that shuns circumcision, not only practices polygamy, but also has a deeply rooted custom of "wife inheritance" -- if your brother's wife dies, you're supposed to take her (this was known in ancient Middle East as "levirate marriage"). The mortality rate in age groups that have sexual relations is very small compared to the general population, thus AIDS is the most common cause of death among sexually active people. Thus, that brother had usually died of AIDS...

    All of the above countries are among the least developed. So let's take a look at rich educated countries: the US with AIDS prevalence of 0.6% vs Europe with 0.2%. Which one of them has a high circumcision rate, and in which it is hardly ever practised?

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  57. Re:Please donate responsibly by swillden · · Score: 1

    in this case it's being done for a very positive reason, which is that it's known to reduce the transmission of AIDS

    Nope, the preponderance of evidence say the transmission of AIDS is either unaffected or enhanced by circumcision.

    The UN health organization disagrees with you.

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  58. Re:Please donate responsibly by KiloByte · · Score: 1

    The UN health organization disagrees with you.

    Your FCC claims that Net Neutrality kills innovation on the Internet. Our Ministry of Education's curriculum board says sexual education must preach virginity until marriage, while even high schoolers (including those who are 18) should not be teached anything about actual intercourse, and that birth control is "contrary to moral norms".

    All three are political organizations, not panels of impartial engineers/doctors.

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