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UK.gov To Treat Online Abuse as Seriously as Hate Crime in Real Life (theregister.co.uk)
The UK's Crown Prosecution Service has pledged to tackle online abuse with the same seriousness as it does hate crimes committed in the flesh. From a report: Following public concern about the increasing amount of racist, anti-religious, homophobic and transphobic attacks on social media, the CPS has today published a new set of policy documents on hate crime. This includes revised legal guidance for prosecutors on how they should make decisions on criminal charges and handle cases in court. The rules officially put online abuse on the same level as offline hate crimes -- defined as an action motivated by hostility or prejudice -- like shouting abuse at someone face-to-face. They commit the CPS to prosecuting complaints about online material "with the same robust and proactive approach used with online offending." Prosecutors are told to consider the effect on the wider community and whether to identify both the originators and the "amplifiers or disseminators."
Sticks and stones may break my bones that's why the nanny state persecutes mountaineering.
The above is now considered "hate speech." You get to go first.
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Turn off the computer.
Go outside.
It's only crybabies and bullies calling names. What happened to the island that once said 'here and no further' and stood alone against fascism? They're now cowering because someone used strong language.
Did someone put something in the water?
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Are you really publicly hating on people based on their political opinion?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
And by Nazis you mean anyone who disagrees with you, even just a little bit.
Violence begets violence. Remember that you condoned it when it happens to you or someone you care about. You have ceded the moral ground entirely, and are just another violent extremist.
Was this inspired by the Rust programming language community, by any chance? The Rust Code of Conduct and the Rust Moderation Team (which enforces the Rust Code of Conduct) both form the foundation of the Rust community, and have for some time.
It's all really quite odd. Despite claiming to be "committed to providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, disability, ethnicity, religion, or similar personal characteristic", in my opinion the Rust community is one of the least tolerant programming language communities I've ever seen. For example, it's absurd how they'll downvote you at Reddit or Hacker News, for instance, if you dare to express anything that might be considered criticism of Rust, no matter how slight.
This stuff coming out of the UK sounds a lot like the hypersensitivity we've seen from the Rust community.
Back in the day you could also shoot commies, only had to go to South East Asia. You could also just shoot every Chink there if you felt like it, nobody really asked. If someone did, just say you think it was a commie. Or in other words, if he runs, he's a VC, if he doesn't, he's a well disciplined VC.
Ah, yes, good ol' times...
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
All those hatin' on haters are haters.
People gonna hate.
People gonna hate haters.
People gonna hate haters hating.
People gonna hate haters hating haters.
ad-nauseum..
It should be obvious to everyone that insulting or even threatening another person online is not the same as an in-person threat.
The person threatening or insulting you online can't actually do anything to you unless they can somehow pinpoint your physical location.
It boggles my mind how the UK can in any way equate these two activities as in any way comparable. They aren't. Period.
There was essentially an undeclared war between the US and China during the latter stages of the Korean War. So far as I recall, the Chinese weren't directly involved in the Vietnam War at all, so I assume you're talking about the Vietnam War, where, y'know, South Vietnam was a US ally.
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Huh? There's nothing wrong with using violence to get peace. Antifa and ISIS are good. CNN said so.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/...
Hate Crime
Is that a bellythinkful thoughtcrime?
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Since when did being Neo-Nazi get downgraded to merely a "political opinion"? I'm fascinated by the efforts by some of the Alt-right and their fellow travelers to basically rehabilitate Nazism. I can't for the life of me figure out why anyone would want to defend, overtly or tacitly, an ideology that is based upon racial superiority and cleansing a polity of certain ethno-religious groups. This normalization of Nazism as if it were the equivalent of say, Marxism, has me shaking my head. Marxism has its flaws, dire and numerous, but it certainly is not a nationalistic or racist ideology, just a terribly naive ideology. Nazism, white supremacy and white nationalism, on the other hand, ARE specifically racist ideologies, and I'd argue they are all the same ideology, it's just that the white nationalists have learned to couch their white supremacy and racism in clever terms like "European culture" and "immigrants", rather than outright saying the Aryans are the master race and the brown skinned people should either be eliminated, enslaved or exiled.
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Yeah, this will end good. It's remarkable how fast people want to throw away free speech this generation, I'm ashamed to be born in it.
When did I miss the episode where hate speech and hate crime became synonyms ?
Satire my friend. Someone has to point out the hypocrisy.
They will hit you back, and it will be self-defense and thus justified. The ambulance will drive you straight to jail, asshole.
Are you really publicly hating on people based on their political opinion?
If someone says "I'm a Nazi, I directly support the policies of Hitler" then I have no problem hating on them.
Fair enough. Of course the vast majority of people being called Nazis currently do not meet that definition. They just happen to be anywhere to the right of what the Democratic party dogma.
What we're seeing is exactly what we should expect to see when a society has been infected with leftism.
Leftism is an ideology that involves a small elite who use a false sense of victimization, combined with control over information and the expression of ideas, to manipulate a much larger "disadvantaged" lower class.
Many Western nations have slowly fallen victim to leftism. It has started in academia, which we've gradually seen shift more and more to the left. At this point many institutions of learning could be classified as extremely leftist. This has resulted in around a generation of students who have been exposed to leftism from their earliest of years, through to their mid-20s.
Now these people have entered the workplace, and society at large. They've become more involved with politics. And so we've seen everything go to hell. That's the natural consequence of widespread leftism: the total destruction of the society which it has infected.
It doesn't matter if we're talking about the USSR, Mao-Era China, Cuba, Venezuela, Columbia, or other failed Central American and South American states. Leftism always destroys society. Western society is just as susceptible as those others were.
No, by "Nazi", I mean Nazi. In other words, a person who holds a fascist, white supremacist ideology, who advocates for an authoritarian nationalist government that will ensure the supremacy and purity of Aryan peoples.
You know, like the tiki-torch bearing thugs who marched in Charleston chanting slogans like "Sieg heil", "blood and soil", and "Jews will not replace us", while making Nazi salutes. Those are Nazis, and while I'll concede not all the "freedom of speech" marchers in Charleston were out and out Nazis, I'd say if you continued to march alongside people burying pro-fascist pro-Nazi flags and shields and who were chanting those sorts of slogans, if you're not a Nazi, then you're either deaf and blind, or have a pretty fucking screwy moral compass.
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I'm talking about the general sentiment the US displays towards East Asia in general. Basically you have a bunch of Chinks, they all look the same and some get used as temporary allies while someone else gets bombed. At the onset of WW2 it was China being the buddy to get a kick at the Japs, after that it was the good ol' North vs. South game. Twice, for good measure.
But take a look at how the US treated its allies.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
And that's exactly what is not happening. The label "Nazi" is being issued by people trying to silence their opponents by slapping that label onto them.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
That would be a switch, considering the Allied Powers spent a good six years shooting every Nazi they could find, and then had some trials in Nuremberg to hang or imprison the rest of them.
It took the Germans a few more decades to remove Nazi influence from daily life.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/20/why-there-are-no-nazi-statues-in-germany-215510
Political speech is protected in most places remember? You know what that means don't you? Yep, it's a two way street! The rules you use against someone else, will inevitably be used against you.
Ah, the good old days. Where people understood that freedom of speech means, you also have to defend distasteful and hateful speech. Not because you agree with it, but to protect your own.
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Very hard to pull off, Poe's law is in full effect.
Strange how it went from being a far right problem to being a far left problem. But I guess it's just an extremist problem altogether. There is no insane statement, claim or demand that would not be made by them, so making it in jest will be taken serious.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Chinese supported north vietnam as well, though not with an entire volunteer army.
The north had equipment and military "advisors" from the ussr and prc
The thing is, the alt left calls anyone who doesn't toe their line a Nazi. The word has thereby changed meaning.
Ah, back in the old days where real men shot Nazis, and didn't march with them carrying tiki torches.
Real men would never march with Nazis, then, now, or ever. As to shooting nazis, well, we *could* legalize that ... just as long as there aren't any misidentifications...
I don't recall CNN defending Antifa, and where exactly did the say ISIS was good?
The fact is that since before the Civil War, the phenomena of counter protests against racists have occurred. Some Abolitionists chose to be more vocal in their denunciations of slavery and white bigotry. Most people think John Brown, for instance was pretty naive and deluded in believing he could create a slave revolt, so his actions are condemned largely as sadly futile, but he still was on the right side of the debate. It's the same with Antifa. Their methods are counterproductive, and show a tendency towards the ends justifying the means, but their view of the evils of fascism, well, whatever their methods, I can't disagree with their views.
And that's where the attempt at moral equivalency between Nazis and Antifa fails. Both are thugs, but only one holds a perverse racist ideology.
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By lumping all the people at the rally in with the Nazis who were also at the rally you're deliberately closing your eyes to important, pertinent facts. You are becoming as willfully ignorant as those you hate. Ignorant in precisely the same way. If X is with Y all X are Y.
If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
And that's exactly what is not happening. The label "Nazi" is being issued by people trying to silence their opponents by slapping that label onto them.
if you walk with the swastika flags in a parade then you are directly self-labeling as a full-fledged Nazi
A MP from Labour had to step down because she wanted to have an uncomfortable conversation about incidents like Rotterham and then was forced to do the ritualized "so sorry, I'm such a racist, I'll go live in a secular convent while I do penance." All because she had the audacity to notice that apparently Rotterham is a large data point in a bigger trend.
Suppressing speech like this with force may make you feel noble, but it's not going to go away. Others will notice, others will talk. Eventually, the pendulum will swing back and the force it swings back on the smug, self-righteous inquisitors will be a function of how much force they put into the swing when it was on their side. The leaders celebrating this today could very well find themselves facing serious retribution.
In the good old days, the Allied Powers spent six bloody years killing Nazis and Fascists.
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Referring to a german as a nazi is no less of a racial insult than any other.
Holding nazi beliefs is no different to believing in a religion. It may seem stupid and irrational to the rest of us but those who believe it usually do so blindly and will "feel offended" if you question their beliefs.
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Really? Doing the Nazi solute and chanting English versions of Nazi slogans and self-identifying as white supremacists isn't enough to be called a Nazi? Because that's what the people everyone is referring to were doing.
Are Nazis now a protected class of person?
The premise of a "protected class" is disheartening.
That would be a switch, considering the Allied Powers spent a good six years shooting every Nazi they could find, and then had some trials in Nuremberg to hang or imprison the rest of them.
For the most part people were not executed or sent to jail simply for what they believed. It was what they actually did that triggered the reprisals from Allied aligned system.
rather than outright saying the Communists are the master political race and those who don't agree should either be eliminated, enslaved or exiled.
Ah yeah, good times huh?
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In the good ol' days, those same nazi's, fascists and authoritarians were also allowed to speak their garbage publicly. Until war broke out remember? Dust off a history book, you're arguing to ban/block speech because it's expedient. Hell the NYT even had glowing articles in the defense of not only nazi's but fascists, in those years.
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You can't really harass someone online, because there is nothing forcing them to read the shit you write. Furthermore, most online services provide effective mechanisms for blocking a-holes. Also, computer systems keep a record of all messages, making harassment criminal complaints much easier to prove. (Has anybody gotten away with online harassment be using an anonymous proxy service?)
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
... they don't hate anyone - although you might think otherwise to hear or read some of their statements.
No, when governments kill individuals for resisting them, or millions for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, they don't do it out of hatred - or any emotion.
It's icy cold. Just business.
I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
... and in the media spinning some BS to justify the latest regime change operation eh?
This sort of thing is aimed squarely at people who are speaking out against things like Israel's ethnic cleansing of Palestine, and the BDS movement.
All New! "Swastiki" brand torches by Tiki Brand! Get yours today! All the skinheads are carrying one... do you want to feel left out?
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
And where did I say Nazis shouldn't be allowed to spew their hate? Providing they're not conspiring to commit acts of violence, they have that right, in the US at least (your mileage will vary in other countries). What I refuse to do is to normalize Nazi speech. They have the right to say it, and I have the right to judge them on their speech, and to act upon on my judgment within the constraints of the law (ie. not allow my property to be used to assist them in their speech).
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You didn't actually read the article you linked, did you?
The article presents the facts about what happened and there are quotes from people who are for and against the behavior of Antifa, but the article itself avoids making any judgements.
It's a political opinion when it's a political opinion...
If you voice your support for hitler, and your desire for all non aryans to be exterminated then that's an opinion.
If you actually try to implement that policy then it's more than an opinion.
Also you will see many countries which implement racist policies, for instance the education system in malaysia has a quota system controlling the number of available places based on your ethnicity. Many african countries also have active policies of handing resources traditionally held by whites over to black residents.
While these policies clearly don't go as far as the original nazis did, many of todays neo nazis also advocate watered down ideology which only promotes preferential treatment for aryans rather than the absolute extermination of anyone else.
It's only really in the west where nationalism is frowned upon, many other countries openly want to promote their own people and ideologies at the expense of others. Immigration is also largely a western issue, the number of people permanently migrating *to* other countries is relatively small and generally tightly controlled by the government.
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Nazi speech is not political, it is hate crime. And remember, while religions are protected - even muslim, yet, ISIS speech won't be protected.
And now we get to see how easy it is to label something a hate crime. "You said so." And now to restrict, to censor, to hide, to let it fester. To show people "yes, we really are being persecuted. Join us because we do have answers ye downtrodden!" Living in Canada and having seen "hate crime" law in action, where the CHRC(Canadian Human Rights Commission) manufactured evidence to go after political opponents, this is why the censoring of non-harmful speech is so dangerous. It's one of the reasons that Section 13 of the CHRC was revoked.
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Very few people had Nazi flags in that protest, but EVERYONE on that side is being labeled a Nazi. There was no "I'm also protesting, but for free speech, I'm not a Nazi" group. You are either for taking down statues, or a Nazi, no middle ground allowed.
That's the problem. If your side is labeled the Nazi side, then you lose automatically. Be prepared to see the Nazi labeled thrown around everywhere to shut people up.
You march alongside Nazis, you get lumped in with the Nazis.
Here's a tip, don't invite Nazis to your rally, and when they show up, join the counterprotesters in showing your contempt for the Nazis.
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And where did I say Nazis shouldn't be allowed to spew their hate?
When you implied that "real men shot nazi's" just like in the good old days. You didn't even see that slope you slid down did you?
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I hear you loud and clear Suiggy: Trump will presidential-pardon the terrorist that rammed the anti-kkk protestors.
I hear you, Fox News, RT, the NRA all trying to define the KKK as the true Republican voice and the protestors as a radical left extremists, and it's only a matter of time before Trump pardons the terrorist.
It's as clear as day. He'll use a presidential pardon.
Trump will paint Fields as a 'victim' of the 'alt-left' (even though many protestors were Republican) and Fox, the NRA, and a bunch of other right wing groups are shifting ever more to the extreme right to try to rescue Trump.
I watched a whole news evening on Fox, and they literally were reduced to digging up any clip of any black man doing back things to make the argument that it's not racism, black people are genetically bad people. That was the clear narrative. It's bad for their channel, it alienates their viewers, its puts off advertisers, but that is the narrative they're pushing to try to rescue Trump.
So Trump will pardon him, the KKK will be emboldened, a lot of Trump enemies will get shot. Sessions? Mueller? McCain? Bannon? Depends who Trump names as targets in his tweets. There literally is no bottom to this pit once he starts pardoning terrorists.
Since when did being Neo-Nazi get downgraded to merely a "political opinion"?
Since the alt-left started calling people nazis over any deviation from feminism and identity politics.
Most people in germany during the 1930s were not nazis either...
They were normal, honest hard working german citizens living in a country that was falling apart and facing huge problems, where none of the established political parties were willing to do anything about it. So they voted for the only party that offered a solution, even if that solution wasn't ideal it was the only one they had.
Sound familiar? Because history is repeating itself... Society is rapidly falling apart and the only parties promising to do anything to help the average person are the extremeist ones.
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No, the moral equivalency holds. The ends don't just the means just because you say they do. Sorry, good and evil don't exist, and real life is a hell of a lot more complicated than you're making it out to be.
That is total bullshit. No one is saying every Republican is a Nazi.
Sorry, you are being too reasonable.
Plenty of the "Alt-Left" on Twitter think all Republicans are Nazis - there is even a hash tag - #RepublicansAreNazis
https://twitter.com/hashtag/RepublicansAreNazis?src=hash
And more besides the hash tag:
https://twitter.com/search?q=REPUBLICANS%20ARE%20NAZIS%20-not&src=typd
And a writer at The Guardian says Republicans do "the bidding of white supremacists"
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/19/republican-party-white-supremacists-charlottesville
So, QED, your statement is untrue. Plenty call *all* Republicans Nazis.
The UK is putting in place more and more laws against free speech, bordering on thought crime.
The US is implementing the ministry of truth as we speak. Worse yet, the citizens are asking for it.
People in formerly communist countries must be shaking their head.
Charlottesville was a giant put-up-job (the midpoint onward of this video goes into it) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52C5-GplKxg/ by the parties noted to get people to be divided and fight one another.
That is total bullshit. No one is saying every Republican is a Nazi.
No? You sure? Oh, well...It looks like there are people saying every republican is a nazi and read the articles, it's got some choice quotes of plenty of liberals, democrats and progressives saying just that. That's the political elite saying that.
Internet troll's new hobby: Baiting the UK's Crown Prosecution Service. Good luck trying to track some anonymous person down who is behind 7 proxies (or at least a VPN or Tor, or is using free WiFi from some random cafe or coffeeshop).
And they supplied a lot.
Very few people had Nazi flags in that protest, but EVERYONE on that side is being labeled a Nazi.
Blah-blah-blah, whining that you aren't a Nazi, how dare anybody point out you aren't wearing the finest clothes, you're the Emperor!
There was no "I'm also protesting, but for free speech, I'm not a Nazi" group.
Sure there was, the problem is, you just happen to be unable to distance yourselves from the racist bigots you fervently defend. See all of the "free speechers" who whine endlessly over the left, but can NEVER EVER muster up a critique of the right at all.
Not even against Mr. Corruption Itself, Donald, the Fraud, Trump.
Why is that you only defend the right-wing free speech? Why is it you never protest over the murder of a doctor who provides abortions? A black teen in his own home? A polluter getting away with it?
You are either for taking down statues, or a Nazi, no middle ground allowed.
That's nice. Have you heard what the pro-statue movement has said? They've claimed that modern-day Democrats are the party of slavery, that tearing down those statues means we have to tear down all other statutes, and all sorts of other vacuous and vapid defenses, like claiming that we should learn about history.
Ok, we did, and the history says those statues were put up to celebrate White Rule. Now what?
That's the problem. If your side is labeled the Nazi side, then you lose automatically. Be prepared to see the Nazi labeled thrown around everywhere to shut people up.
What are you, twenty years behind? Damn, you know that's a bad argument right?
Apart from some trolls most of the people using the term "nazi" were warning the right that there were actual Nazis in their midst. Then Charlottesville happened and suddenly it dawned on people that the warnings were justified, and that there were actual Nazis and KKK wizards among them.
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HAHAHA what a load of drivel
Good to know that's how it works...
You support the political party that killed tens of thousands in an attempt to keep slavery, the party that oppressed blacks and tried to prevent them from voting and having equal rights, the party that didn't want women to vote, the party that put a KKK leader in the senate and celebrated him being in the senate for 60 years until he died a few years ago. The same party that took back 51 of the 54 Dixicrats from the 60s, for life, including Al Gore Sr and putting his son up for your presidential candidate. Your most recent one had the KKK Senator as her self proclaimed "mentor"
March with the racists, you get lumped with the racists. You are a bigot because you support them and their history, plain and simple. You racist. You support the people that made it possible for the KKK to flourish, and you refuse to acknowledge the good the GOP has done for blacks (ending slavery, civil rights, right to vote for blacks/women). So not only do you support the racists, you ACTIVELY attack those who have a long history of helping minorities.
I think people like you need to be banished from being allowed to express your opinion online anymore.
There is NO proof of god or all the crap written about them.
We have the right to call it what it is, and a population control system, made up by the ruling elites.
Not what the poster said cupcake. Leftists have lumped all people who are centrist or right of center as part of hate groups and Nazi sympathizers. Don't try to deny it. Hard left communist progressives had their say but not for much longer. The US is still a center right country and payback is hell. The media is not your friend and you don't have good representation in government now.
Everybody who was just okay with having Nazi flags around them was labeled a Nazi. Had half of the right wing crowd been telling the Nazis to fuck off, you might have a point, but I've seen no indication that that was the case.
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oes this apply to marching with Anti-Fas?
Hint - they're not actually good guys. It's more like Weimar Germany, with street battles between various communist/socialist factions.
Of course, everyone on the left thought that the outcome, Hitler, was peachy, until Germany invaded the USSR....
If those people didn't want to be lumped in with Nazis, they should have told the Nazis they weren't welcome.
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The people being called Nazis are, well, Nazis
MightyMartian is a Nazi rightfully being lumped in with their more vocal ideological neighbors.
See how easy this is? The more you challenge the assertion, the more you are a Nazi.
You are also stupid, hand-wringing piece of shit.
I'm curious about the jurisdiction issue of it, will other countries extradite citizens to face the music in the UK or is the CPS only going to go after British citizens?
When you implied that "real men shot nazi's" just like in the good old days. You didn't even see that slope you slid down did you?
I see that as correcting your misapprehension of the "good ole days" rather than endorsing it.
You really don't have as good a grasp of history as you think. It's almost as bad as your hypocrisy, since you were wailing over the mere existence of BLM not even a year ago, and are still pretending that you are opposed to rioting and vandalism.
And at no time did you have to, as a private citizen, tolerate hate being spewed into your air.
I give you the Klan march in Skokie.
Gov't banned the march
ACLU sued, won, Klan marched
Skokie citizens turned out in droves, making the Klan SLINK instead of STRUT
Legal as church, moral as saving a drowning dog.
The thing the Nazis at Charlottesville forgot is that you don't get to silence the opposition by MURDER.
So now the Nazi bastards are going to be watched, and POUNCED upon every time they display a gun against persons NOT carrying guns, under the Menacing laws.
"Many african countries also have active policies of handing resources traditionally held by whites over to black residents."
Only Zimbabwe does that. Stop talking out of your ass.
What slope?
Nazis carrying guns and threatening may still be shot.
Leave the threats, or the guns, or the guns and threats behind.
Because self-defense is still cool
This.
Like driving into non-violent counter protesters, because the countering view was successful at vilifying the Nazis?
yes, that pretty much makes for a clear case of Political Murder and the various persons involved subject to reprisal
Yup. Too bad this is not what we're talking about now.
What happens now is that everyone who dares to be critical of full blown left wing rhetoric gets slapped with the NAZI! label.
50 years ago, anyone not doing the "USA fuck yeah!" dance was labeled COMMIE! The actors change, the strategy stays the same.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
That is total bullshit. No one is saying every Republican is a Nazi.
Other than FAIR and Salon magazine. I can find more references if you like...
Are you fucking serious? I knew you were out there, but that takes the cake. Just go look at the Boston Antifa Twitter homepage for 2 minutes and then tell me you can't disagree with their views.
When there is only two sides to choose from, and I don't want to choose the side that wants to silence those that disagree, you will end up with very, very odd bedfellows...
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I don't recall CNN defending Antifa, and where exactly did the say ISIS was good?
They softballed their interview with Antifa. They elected to not cover Antifa actions at all initially and made a massive stink against anyone pointing out objection to Antifa use of physical violence as promulgating equivalence of professing undying love of Hitler.
Just look at all of the strange tortured wording they are using now to belatedly cover Antifa so as to not themselves appear to be total hypocrites.
Their methods are counterproductive, and show a tendency towards the ends justifying the means, but their view of the evils of fascism, well, whatever their methods, I can't disagree with their views.
And that's where the attempt at moral equivalency between Nazis and Antifa fails. Both are thugs, but only one holds a perverse racist ideology.
The very definition of Fascism is what Antifa is doing explicitly using violence to suppress opposition to their ideology.
I personally don't believe in protected classes. I believe only in the concept of tolerance. To me refusal to tolerate others on the basis of what they believe is no different than refusal to tolerate others on the basis of what they look like. It's the same problem.
There are only two sides to join in marching/protest. But that doesn't mean you are obligated to take a side. these people willingly sided with Nazis, and it's not as if anybody is surprised by their presence at this rally.
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Can't pay any attention to silly things like British children being groomed, raped and pimped. But if you note the cultural similarities between the perpetrators, you've gone too far and must be punished.
When you march with pedophiles you get lumped in with pedophiles. Here's a hint - don't invite pedophiles to your rally, and when they show up, join the counterprotestors in showing your contempt for peodphiles. Rather than electing the leader of your party from them.
More put up job evidence by "crowds for hire" being used for charlottesville with their craigslist ad shown https://www.infowars.com/why-was-this-crowd-hire-company-recruiting-25-an-hour-political-activists-in-charlotte-last-week/
Actually, the American people are centrist to center-left. The American political parties are center-right, and far-right. Please educate yourself on polling data and end your ridiculous delusions, so you don't continue to sound like an uninformed moron.
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... enemies of freedom, privacy, etc.!
Oh, wait, they would need to round up most of the GCHQ and of the Government. So that is not going to happen as Justitia has long since stopped being blind in the UK.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Now we have the tools to deal with all of their class hatred!
Yeah, except for you failed to correctly identify the actors. The new McCarthyism is claiming that everyone that you don't like is a Russian spy/shill. But it's not the "full blown left" that makes that claim. It's the corporate Dems.
The only group consistently conflated with the Nazis are Nazi sympathizers, and understandably so. This is, of course, excluding clickbait headlines and the internet's general tendency to call everything they don't like Nazis.
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You really believe what you believe and I commend you for your determination. Just be aware that if you were living in Nazi Germany in 1938, you would instead be talking about how Jews can be Jews they just need to be rounded up and put into camps. People are people. There will always be boogeyman whom it is socially acceptable to hate. In the 80s it was faggots. In the 60s it was commies. Today it is Nazis. You are no different than the Germans that put Hitler into power. They are no different than you.
NOW go hate Nazi safe and secure in your righteous anger.
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"Turns out..."
Thanks for the clarification, Van Ht.
So.
Never mind the fact that "McCarthyism" WAS actually invented by the Russians to make it harder to criticise them or their dirty tricks. What's known about Joe McCarthy is still highly classified.... they'd do a lot of good if they just came clean about what kind of hold the Russians had on him and why he acted the way he did.
I would take ANY accusation by Russia and their allies of 'McCarthyism' with a fist-sized grain of salt. Because it would'nt be the first time they've deployed dirty tricks to shut down criticism of their imperialism and reaction.
I think the prosecution of 'hate crime' is probably an abusive practice, founded on a corruption of state prosecution power, as if wanting to invent a new criminal 'behavior' that is to be punished in ways, which is probably based on politics rather than justice.
I fear that 'hate crime' will be just another accusation, that is waged against someone, or a group, just to persecute people and maybe with no evidence or proof of real actions, and maybe even make it a thought crime of sorts, as if, being guilty by association.
I also can't help but wonder if 'hate crime' is a tool box for the state prosecution, for charging and punishing people enmasse, or even persecute organizations and its members, that has been singled out beforehand.
Allies of Russia aren't really using the term. It's enemies of the corporate "left," because the corporate left are the ones making everything big and scary about Russia to distract from the fact that their party lost to a candidate less popular than lice.
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The alternative is pretty much saying that you don't give a shit about whether you can voice your opinion. I'm honestly surprised that Nazis would stand on that side of a fence, but just because those assholes have hijacked a topic means now that I cannot actually have that opinion myself? By that logic, all it takes for any kind of topic that I do not want you to be for/against, I only have to make sure that some asshole group is for/against a topic and by actually considering the topic important I may lump you into a group with the assholes.
I think last time this was attempted was when they tried to discredit MLK.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
And where did I say Nazis shouldn't be allowed to spew their hate? Providing they're not conspiring to commit acts of violence, they have that right,
Right. And the article doesn't say anything about changing the rules, It just says that they will apply the rules regardless of the medium. I would have thought that would go without saying. Death threats are death threats. "But I did it on the internet, not IRL!" can't really be a defense... can it?
Very few people had Nazi flags in that protest,
So marching around carrying torches chanting Nazi slogans doesn't make you a Nazi. You're only a Nazi if you carry a flag. Got it.
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No, I'm a free speech absolutist, but I can support someone's right to free speech without supporting them or their particular marches. Many people at the rally crossed multiple state lines, so they probably weren't coming to just to support the free speech of Nazis, unless they were working for the ACLU.
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I think last time this was attempted was when they tried to discredit MLK.
Did you sleep through the 70s, 80s, 90s, and 2000s?
It was a regular feature on the news.
Not good. Even if it works, while the number of the offenders may fall, but those remaining will radicalize. Although in the first place I wonder how they're gonna enforce this.
That's a cop-out. If someone doesn't want to be lumped in with the Nazi's then don't march with them, do a protest a different day.
Now sure, most republicans aren't Nazi's...but...some of the same Republicans condemning Nazis were quite willing to turn a blind eye to racism or use racist dog whistles over the years. Including practically every neo-confederate southerner in the Republican leadership.
Even back in 2008, many Republicans turned a blind eye or condoned the nativist "know nothing" elements of the "Tea party". The "tea party" basically being the "heralds" of the modern "alt-right"
(declining middle class / severe inequality / too much social change in a short span)
These things are inexorably linked due to the ideology behind them. There are, and has been for a couple thousand years, 2 competing ideologies. One where the State is the most important part of society, and the other (which the US is founded upon) that the individual is the most important part of society. The USA succeeded because of ideology enshrining the individual. Now that we have a mass of politicians pushing for (and obtaining to a large degree) socialist/communist programs we are getting what others who taut the Statist ideology get. A 2 class system with the Peons and the Government Elites.
Compare Locke to Marx, or Hegel, or Dewy, or Crowley. The latter 4 all tell you that the individual is nothing without the State, while the former tells you that the State is nothing without the individual. (Same lesson from Plato, Cicero, and to a large extent Aquinas and Luther). The far left ideology is where we get concepts like "The living Constitution", and yes "Socialized" programs from the Government. The State, and the few elites allowed to run the State are all powerful. Everyone else is simply a servant of the State. (See Socrates' Allegory of the Cave [unadulterated version])
Europe as a whole is just getting this by the bucket full. People are supposed to be afraid to push back and take control, that's part of the movement selling you Statism as a religion. People are supposed to be brain washed, because that is how you keep control. People are supposed to be poor if they are in the "wrong think" camp, because if you have money you can push back.
It's too late to continue to claim "it can't happen here", because it's been happening. The push now, and we see it in the US, is to try and turn back from the coming cliff. Let us see if you can prove Rand wrong, or if you all fall to communism.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
How about the Apartheid in Israel?
Shit doesnt get much more mainstream that having two classes of Citizens entirely based on their religion.
There are the Jewish. The most rights and freedoms.
There are non-Jewish that are Citizens. Significantly fewer rights and freedoms.
There are also the non-Jewish that are also non-Citizens. Fewest rights and no freedoms. All their rights are subject to the timely whims of the Israeli military, but I cannot hold a country to account for how it treats its non-citizens unless its extremely heinous.
This is a "Western" supposedly "enlightened" country here, not some 3rd world shit-hole, and its got bigotry baked right into the law. We can argue about if its right or wrong, but its a fact.
"His name was James Damore."
The same slope you fell down. Anyone carrying a gun and threatening may still be shot. You seem to be promoting this against a single group based on your bias. What happens when your group happens to be the victim of someone else' bias?
I seem to remember a famous quote about this. Something along the lines of "First they came for the Socialists, but I was not a Socialist".... This is why we have History.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Well, not really. The truth is that in the UK there were exactly the same kind of battles against fascist scum back in the old days before the war, too. And now we put up plaques celebrating their defeat.
UK is a police state.
That's what she said.
An imaginary group said all that, eh? Try taking your meds.
Don't forget the Communists/Socialists. A T-shirt with Hitler on it is no better than one with Che Guevara.
Light post for both, right?
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Maybe they should do something about the child rape in cities like Rotherham first. Maybe that would lead to less "hate speech".
Let's play a game. You name a group and/or a prominent person, who did not endorse/vote for Hillary Clinton, and I'll find a group and/or a prominent person denouncing him/them as a "Nazi".
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
In denial much?
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
There were far more Communist symbols and slogans around — and Communists are far more murderous than even the Nazis were. Was it Ok to shoot the Communists in Charlotteville and elsewhere? How about driving cars into their crowding?
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
This is a "Western" supposedly "enlightened" country here, not some 3rd world shit-hole, and its got bigotry baked right into the law. We can argue about if its right or wrong, but its a fact.
No we can't, which is sort of the point. Bigotry has an objective and well-defined definition, which changes with the political landscape to make sure that only the right "wrong people" are guilty of it. Anything but glowing support of Israel or Israeli policy is anti-semitism and hate speech.
Censor yourself or we will do it for you.
If you want a vision of the future, imagine a youtube comments section scrolling - forever.
And not just the occasional nut job feminist running a class on Gender Studies at your local community college. Show me a government agency using the label Nazi to directly attack an opponent. Bonus points if you can do it in the United States instead of Germany (who might just be a wee bit paranoid when it comes to Nazi's resurgence).
See, this is what gets me about the right. They're absolutely enraged that somebody with no power whatsoever (a professor, a low level bureaucrat, their postman) is a whackjob and somehow blitheringly unaware of the massive power exercised by billionaires, mega pastors and all of Wallstreet. I chalk it up to the fact that they can see their English teacher giving them a 'D' or the lady at the DMV who tells them that they need to fix their catalytic converter while the billionaire and his mega pastor friends who just screwed them out of a job, health care, clear air and water and education for their kids are far, far away...
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and the need to exist and maintain an online presence. It's 2017. The online and real world started overlapping in disturbing ways over a decade ago. Turn off your computer and go read some of Bruce Sterling's books. Or if you really want old fashion read up on Henry II. Pen mightier than sword and all that rot.
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I think that Weird Al endorsed Bernie, but I'm not sure. I can't find anybody calling him a Nazi, although his song lyrics have referenced Nazis often enough that it complicates searching.
I like corner cases. Who has called Jill Stein, who almost certainly did not vote Democrat, a Nazi? I've found several nasty rants excoriating her, but nobody notable calling her a Nazi.
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Odd how mum's the word on Islamic Terrorism despite having an order of magnitude more victims in just the past few days.
Odd how speaking about it is racist and Islamophobic instead of "warnings [that] were justified".
South Africa does too, only thing holding them back is that 90% of the farms given to blacks fail.
The same slope you fell down.
You keep trying to push people, but for some reason, you don't get that you're actually shoving people uphill.
Anyone carrying a gun and threatening may still be shot.
There goes your pretense of morality.
You seem to be promoting this against a single group based on your bias. What happens when your group happens to be the victim of someone else' bias?
That's the problem with the Neo-Nazi White Supremacists here, they are trying to make people victims of their biases. Duh. Hence the counter-protests to them.
I seem to remember a famous quote about this. Something along the lines of "First they came for the Socialists, but I was not a Socialist".... This is why we have History.
Too bad you can't remember who they were talking about.
You can't run the world by pithy quotes, that's why we have books instead of one-liners.
I know, I know, you prefer slogans to real thinking, but that's easy to turn around:
First, they said I couldn't protest the King, because he was the Monarch, and the masses were just a rabble. Then they said I couldn't protest the Slave-owners, because that was intolerant and jealous, that the masses were just a rabble. Then they said I couldn't protest the Neo-Nazi White Supremacists because that was intolerant, and jealous, and that the masses were just a rabble, and they were the real victims.
Then I slapped them, because they were stupid enough to stare into the sun.
Just like you, for some reason you're so blind, you have become an apologist for the bigotry and intolerance of the right-wing.
You truly are the snowiest flake.
I'm center left, and I hate these motherfuckers. I would stand with white supremacists against Antifa, and I'm Jewish. Speech must be free. Violence against speech is terrorism.
They did. It was in Boston this weekend. They explicitly said that they do not support extremists or racism. It was a 1st amendment rally explicitly in support of free speech.
40,000 people showed up, threw bottles of piss on them, beat them with clubs, and called them Nazis.
Fuck you, liar.
Well, I sure, that he voted for Hillary at the end.
Ah, I forgot to mention this explicitly, but, of course, people calling others "Nazis" are exempt. And Ms. Stein did that arguing against "another Clinton in White House".
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
You can't institute totalitarian communism and its godless religion, political correctness, until you make it illegal to tell the scientific truth.
The article completely avoids fact. It says nothing about them murdering police, throwing piss on people, stabbing women and children at peaceful rallies... All of which happened. Google it before responding.
You seem to be stretching the definition of Nazi a bit far. About half the people at the Alt-Right march in Charlottesville were some sort of "white nationalists", but were any of them neo-Nazis? Pretty sure none of them were actual Nazis unless George Soros put in a surprise appearance.
What you should be asking is "why did the other half show up, willingly associate with white nationalists when they weren't themselves"? The answer of course is you and those just like you: you've abused terms like racist and Nazi so much that no one one the right (outside of DC) cares anymore if you call them that. "Why not march with racists and Nazis - I'll be called a Nazi racist anyway, so there's no downside in making common cause".
A dangerous new political coalition is forming and it's your fault.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Back in the good old days (and still today) the New York Times was a left-leaning publication, so of course they loved the Fascists. And, yes, Fascism and Nazism are on the left. Just because they fought against the Communists doesn't mean they're right wing. They're all evil siblings and the offspring of Satan.
Your questions are non-sequiturs. Would I feel reasonable calling those marching around those carrying communist symbols "communists?" Yes. That said, the protesters were more diverse, as people form many walks of life, including Republicans, are anti-Nazi. You can argue that there were shitty people in the protest groups, but this was a rally about white supremacy from a bunch of spoiled dipshits that aren't pure anything. But none of that has anything to do with your questions.
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Yes. Nazis are now part of the LGBTQ2SN solidarity movement.
You absolutely HAD TO ask, didn't you?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
And then you learn about how those farms were illegally acquired by those whites on the first place, how much of the "aid" was either wrong information or equipment that was poorly suited for the environment, or about the Chinese moving in to build their own plantations.
The writer at the Guardian is arguing that the Republican Party is being manipulated by white supremacists. That's - well, an argument, you can take what you want from it - but it's a very far cry from saying "all Republicans are Nazis".
No.
Look: "Nazi" has been a term of playground-level abuse since, approximately, 1939. I remember using it as a kid in the 1970s. We were kids, we didn't know any better.
But that's not the same as serious adults, speaking in public and with reputations to lose, using a word in all deliberation and full knowledge of what it actually means. Kids are kids, adults - are not. It's important to distinguish between the two.
If some whiny blogger calls you a nazi, that's - a kid, using the word because they vaguely know it's insulting, even if they don't actually know why. If a government employee, or a news outlet that lots of people pay money to receive, does it - that's another matter. Please don't conflate the two.
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- George W Bush
- John McCain
- David Frum
- Megyn Kelly
Now go. Find a person or group of remotely comparable prominence to any of these, denouncing them as "nazi".
Calling the Tea Party people Nazi is of course inaccurate and really actually misleading. Sure, some Nazis people agreed with the Tea Party, but the two aren't the same.
By suggesting the Tea Party is made up of all Nazis is like saying MLK was a Black Panther. He wasn't and most the Tea Party people aren't Nazis.
you don't even have to go back that far, just go back 15 years
No, they spent six years killing Werhmacht soldiers. They had no idea if those soldiers were Nazis or not.
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Let's play a game. You name a group and/or a prominent person, who did not endorse/vote for Hillary Clinton, and I'll find a group and/or a prominent person denouncing him/them as a "Nazi".
Mike Pence ...
Mitch McConnell
John McCain
Mitt Romney
John Kasich
I mean, really ... I listen to an AM radio station ALL DAY, I know what stupid game you're playing. Every day it's New York Times said this, no good rotten failing New York Times said that, trying hard to be victims and beet pills.
Funny, I'm an older white guy and nobody has ever called me a Nazi in real life. I guess it's because I don't attend rallies chanting Nazi slogans while waving a swastika flag, or have expressed insane beliefs centred on my supposed superiority while advocating the extermination of an entire religion. So, you know, try to avoid doing those things and you should be fine. Except on the internet.
And, yes, Fascism and Nazism are on the left
Regardless of how many times you say this, you're still just as wrong. They are regarded as far right ideologies. In other news 2+2 does not equal 5.
were any of them neo-Nazis? Pretty sure none of them were actual Nazis
Thanks for asking that question. The ones waving swastika flags, wearing helmets with Nazi symbols, and chanting Nazi slogans, well let's take a guess here and say they were Nazis. Since the whole group was chanting Nazi catcheisms, kind of pegs it, doesn't it?
An imaginary group is calling people Nazis you say? Well, I can see how your echo chamber is really worried about that.
The guy that ran that woman over was being attacked by thugs at the time who were smashing his car with weapons. It was an accident, not murder. Under US law, the ones smashing his car committed murder. If someone dies while you are committing a crime, YOU are on the hook for it, even if someone else did it.
A justice system should not care about hate crime. A fair one anyway.
There's already a part in the system for hate, and that's motive. The reason a crime is done should have no bearing on the consequence, only in determining guilt. If someone commits a crime of passion, is that not a hate crime? would they not be just as unreliable to lose their cool again, just like someone who hates someone else? What about someone who steals? They hate being poor and would probably steal again.
If we want to lock up all of the racists, then fine, let's address that sentiment. But being racist is not currently illegal, it's a thought crime. Hate crime definitions slowly deteriorate that line until we don't realize we basically just want to make hate illegal. Sorry, excuse me for thinking that laws should be rational and without bias.
I didn't call the Tea Party Nazi's, I used the word "nativist" and "know nothing" and I called them the "heralds" of the alt-right. know your history.
And there was PLENTY of bigotry coming out of self-identified tea-party people, though I wouldn't call them Nazis
40,000 people showed up, threw bottles of piss on them, beat them with clubs, and called them Nazis.
I doubt all 40000 did any such thing. maybe a few dozen tops?
It's almost as bad as your hypocrisy, since you were wailing over the mere existence of BLM not even a year ago, and are still pretending that you are opposed to rioting and vandalism.
You mean that organization that calls white sub-human, and caused the death of people? I can see why you'd post as a AC. Got a good idea who you are too, there's only 3-5 people on /. who have their panties so much in a twist over what I write.
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Apart from some trolls most of the people using the term "nazi" were warning the right that there were actual Nazis in their midst.
You apparently don't know that democrats in the US have been using this as part of their playbook since the 1960's. So have leftist political organizations in the UK, and in Canada since at least the 1970's.
Then Charlottesville happened and suddenly it dawned on people that the warnings were justified, and that there were actual Nazis and KKK wizards among them.
What warnings were that? When people get swarmed, they'll defend themselves? Or that when people show up wearing face coverings all in black just like the KKK did, they'll violently assault people because they have a facade of anonymity and belief that no one will discover who they are. Strange how you don't seem to be concerned about the G20 protest that just happened in Germany, where thousands of those nice little antifa people decided to show up and riot, just for the sake of it. Hey remember what happened during the last charlottesville gathering? There were a whole 50 kkk members, who were swarmed by 500 people. How about in socal? When 5 nazi's were swarmed by 80 people? Multiple people were stabbed in both cases, and in both cases violence was started by the "counter protesters." Just like at Berkeley...3 times, twice in Seattle. You figure out why people are showing up to defend themselves yet?
Or have the same belief that islamic extremists who've basically made terrorism a common occurrence in Europe, in the same group.
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Even back in 2008, many Republicans turned a blind eye or condoned the nativist "know nothing" elements of the "Tea party". The "tea party" basically being the "heralds" of the modern "alt-right"
So let's see if we can figure out the bullshit of the alt-right. We now have: It was created by the tea party, by 4chan, by 8chan, by gamergate, by MRA's, by /pol/ and I think two or three other groups.
And you wonder why nobody except those in a media hysteria bubble take what's being said seriously? You've been crying wolf for over a decade.
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It's almost as bad as your hypocrisy, since you were wailing over the mere existence of BLM not even a year ago, and are still pretending that you are opposed to rioting and vandalism.
You mean that organization that calls white sub-human, and caused the death of people?
That's right Mashiki, demonize them some more. Scream your rage. As I said, their mere existence offends you.
I can see why you'd post as a AC. Got a good idea who you are too, there's only 3-5 people on /. who have their panties so much in a twist over what I write.
Oh my, Mashiki, the thing you need to do is ask yourself why you don't care what you write?
There's no slope here. If Antifa mutates into an armed thug battalion, something which has never happened, they get the same treatment.
What part of RULE OF LAW don't you get?
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There's no slope here. If Antifa mutates into an armed thug battalion, something which has never happened,
Well now, your bias is showing. Antifa has caused many millions of dollar in property damage, assaulted thousands of people, yet been given a free pass by democratic politicians.
I get rule of law just fine, you are simply blind to any facts which harm your side. (There are many dozens of examples like Berkley, but you don't care.
You are a bigot!
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
No, those are neo-Nazis. Actual Nazis are quite old these days, and don't get out much, but there are a few Hitler Youth still around.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
And plenty of people call all Democrats communists or some other stupid thing.
People are stupid like that. The human mind is lazy as fuck and likes to group things together and treat them as a single object so it doesn't have to exert itself.
Just look at all the tards here who strawman-up a group like "The Left" and then put everything they don't like about the world in it.
All right “one“ of the “several“ heralds. Is that good enough for you? None of us are saying that the alt-right has only one source.
It is racist channers, right wingers in /pol/, tea partiers, gamergaters, nativists, so-called libertarian tech-bros complaining about h1b “indo-chimps“ and so on and so forth making common cause.
not to associate with Nazi's. I suppose you could make the argument they should be a protected class (similar to Blacks, Latinos, Women and possibly Homosexuals and religions). I think you'd have a hard time making that argument. For one, Nazis have a history of advocating violence, racism, and solving racial issues with violence. For another, there's no reason to identify with Nazis besides that. There are plenty of other groups that you can identify with that lack the stigma of violence and racism.
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And I'd say the exact same thing about Antifa telling the communists that THEY aren't welcome... so we should consider ALL of Antifa communists as well, and we should hold ALL of Antifa responsible for ALL of the crimes committed as well.
Yea and you had the communists fighting in the streets against the Nazis. Antifa is against free speech and protecting that is more important to many people than any other issue.
The point here is not to associate with Nazis, the point is that someone who wants to harm you associates you with them and tells your employer that you are one, which will get you easily into hot water without you ever even considering associating with anything resembling a conservative, let alone an extremist conservative ideology.
All it takes today is to speak your mind and make it something that someone who is easily offended doesn't like to hear.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I can't wait to report all those white-hating heterosexual-hating fucktards.
You better believe I will be and I will be damn fucking sure it goes all the way to the top of the legal system.
You want this game, fucking bring it, cunts.
If Antifa mutates into an armed thug battalion, something which has never happened
Right, the masked violent communists. HAHAHA
Except that's a disinformation attempt, because that's not what happened. The guy reversed all the way up the street then accelerated all the way back down before hitting his victims.
Well now, your bias is showing.
No, that's your bias, what with you making up stories.
Antifa has caused many millions of dollar in property damage, assaulted thousands of people, yet been given a free pass by democratic politicians.
I get rule of law just fine, you are simply blind to any facts which harm your side. (There are many dozens of examples like Berkley, but you don't care.
You are a bigot!
Oh s.petry, the more you make up lies and fabrications, the less believable you are.
You've never been able to produce these millions of dollars in property damage, no records of thousands of assaults, and no, not even Berkeley happened the way you claim.
It's as bad as when you were touting how clean the Tea Party rallies were, and how many people attended the inauguration, and it turned out that was as much a lie as the Pershing story or your plan for Afghanistan.
A whole bunch of hot air.
There were 20 million or more Tea Party supporters.
According to the SPLC, a far-Left anti-right orgranization, there are about 50,000 white supremacists (neo-Nazis, KKK, etc) in the entire US.
From those numbers alone, you can see your basic premise is bullshit. The fringe was ignored not because it was accepted, but because it basically DOESN'T EXIST outside of a media focus. Why do you think the media always talks about Duke and Spenser?
None of the Tea Party marches endorsed racism, or supported Nazis, or advocated for oppression of opposition groups.
On the other hand, the Communists and Anarchists have always had a strong presence on the Left, in Occupy, BLM, and now Antifa. Antifa, which has now been declared a domestic terrorist organization for their continued use of violence against civilians in the pursuit of their political goals...
The moral equation is unequal because although both groups employ violence against each other, only one group is by their very ideology driven to perform violence against others as well. As for the good and evil bit, didn't nihilism go out of fashion at the turn of the century?
How many lives has the US and how many trillions of dollars have we spent. I'm sure we're doing it to grab the land, or the oil. Oh yeah, that didn't happen. I've spent 40 years of my adult life in and around the military, a dozen of those overseas supporting allies. So let me just say that your opinion is just a bit off.
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There were 20 million or more Tea Party supporters.
I wouldn't rely on that polling.
According to the SPLC, a far-Left anti-right orgranization, there are about 50,000 white supremacists (neo-Nazis, KKK, etc) in the entire US.
And mysteriously, Republicans opposed it when the FBI presented a report on them. Fortunately, there are others.
From those numbers alone, you can see your basic premise is bullshit.
Your argument is merely your opinion, it isn't especially convincing. But other opinions exist.
The fringe was ignored not because it was accepted, but because it basically DOESN'T EXIST outside of a media focus.
Nope. It wasn't just ignored. The right-wing fought hard to have it buried.
Why do you think the media always talks about Duke and Spenser?
Why do you think those are the only people they talk about?
None of the Tea Party marches endorsed racism, or supported Nazis, or advocated for oppression of opposition groups.
That long-repeated claim is about as believable as the claims that the Tea Party rallies don't leave a mess behind.
On the other hand, the Communists and Anarchists have always had a strong presence on the Left, in Occupy, BLM, and now Antifa. Antifa, which has now been declared a domestic terrorist organization for their continued use of violence against civilians in the pursuit of their political goals...
Declared by who? You? That's not convincing.
But your own condemnation reveals your lies, so I know better than to expect you to admit your mistake. I remember that the Communists, anarchists, the NAACP, the Unions, Occupy, BLM, and now AntiFa, have all been denounced by the right, and condemned, no matter what.
It loses its punch after a while. Meanwhile, you ignore the right-wing violence, and even endorse it. But "blood libel" isn't something you mind spreading to others.
"crowds for hire" being used for charlottesville
No, they were not. They issued a statement that they were not involved. Why are extreme right nutjobs always paranoid conspiracy theorists? I guess crazy breeds more crazy.
No he didn't. Video shows him driving down the street at a slow speed, and accelerating only after someone hit his car.
How many lives has the US and how many trillions of dollars have we spent. I'm sure we're doing it to grab the land, or the oil.
Well, somebody is. Trump practically boasted about it.
One of his stupider moments.
Oh yeah, that didn't happen. I've spent 40 years of my adult life in and around the military, a dozen of those overseas supporting allies. So let me just say that your opinion is just a bit off.
And that makes you a candidate for truth-telling?
If it didn't happen, why do all of the people complain about it? Are they just lying?
And while they shot a lot of them, many others were not. My great uncle was drafted into the German army. Fortunately for me, his older brother, my grandfather, had immigrated to the U.S. before the war. I met this uncle back in the 80s when I got stationed there with the USAF. Speaking to his wife my great aunt, their first real interaction in the war was when the Americans invaded, and as the linked article points out, she didn't see what all the fuss was about, Germans were doing well under Hitler...this lead to some long discussions between us on who she thought was doing all the labor, and who were those people in Dachau. She at least seemed to finally comprehend the problem. Somehow, him and many others I came across between 80 and the fall of the wall, had avoided the bullet between the eyes.
Just another day in Paradise
Bravo. And this is why the idea of "hate crime" needs to die. Crime is crime period. Going down the path of being thought police is destined for failure. For example, let's just say we decided to make racism a hate crime. And now, you have to determine if we should convict Trump. You can certainly point to tweets, that could be interpreted as being racist. And while I think he's a loon, those are interpretations, and not judged the same by the vast majority of his followers. Even the NY Times couldn't find blacks that know him who would call him racist. Far too often, we attempt and fail at figuring out other peoples intentions when they haven't flat out stated them.
Just another day in Paradise
I'm a free speech absolutist
Great! Can I come and start screaming obscenities in your face for the next 10 years?
That's right Mashiki, demonize them some more. Scream your rage. As I said, their mere existence offends you.
No demonetization required, they dug that hole all on their own. All on their very own, just like all extremist groups do.
Oh my, Mashiki, the thing you need to do is ask yourself why you don't care what you write?
The question you need to ask yourself is, why do you care so much? Almost sounds like you have an inferiority problem. Maybe you should try the "freedom of speech" path instead.
Om, nomnomnom...
No demonetization required, they dug that hole all on their own. All on their very own, just like all extremist groups do.
Oh Mashiki, the more you try to tear them down, the more you demonstrate your own weakness.
The question you need to ask yourself is, why do you care so much? Almost sounds like you have an inferiority problem. Maybe you should try the "freedom of speech" path instead.
Oh Mashiki, I don't need to ask myself that question, but no surprise that you're resorting to self-important arrogance, and I know I don't want to walk your path, as it is paved with your hypocrisy, and I know right where it goes.