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'Amazon Effect' Hits Retailers Around the Globe (axios.com)

From a report: U.S. stores have been closing at a faster rate in 2017 than at any time since the recession, an American phenomenon being dubbed "retail apocalypse." Though this has so-far been largely a worry for U.S. retailers, the Wall Street Journal reports that investors in Europe are worried that it is now spreading abroad.

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  1. Amazon is part of it... by houstonbofh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But hiring the cheapest and most clueless idiot to staff your stores is a big part as well. If brick and mortar wants to compete, they have to add value over amazon. A person that can actually answer questions is a big step in that direction.

    1. Re: Amazon is part of it... by kurkosdr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Still not convinced. I don't need some employees opinion when I can have reviews from a multitude of sites literally at my fingertips.

    2. Re:Amazon is part of it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I blame Al Gore.

    3. Re:Amazon is part of it... by sit1963nz · · Score: 4, Informative

      That may help a little, however I know a lot of people will use the knowledge of the local store to find out about a product (or even try it on in the case of clothes) and then buy online because it saves them money. Hell in some cases I can buy stuff from overseas and get it faster than buying local.

    4. Re:Amazon is part of it... by dddux · · Score: 2

      I don't need anybody to sell me anything. I come to the store to buy a thing that I like. All I need is someone to give it to me and take my money. I actually find people giving me advices rather annoying since I usually spend days researching about the thing I want to buy.

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    5. Re:Amazon is part of it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh you sweet summer child. Low prices and endless selection are what everyone cares about.

    6. Re:Amazon is part of it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But hiring the cheapest and most clueless idiot to staff your stores is a big part as well. If brick and mortar wants to compete, they have to add value over amazon. A person that can actually answer questions is a big step in that direction.

      Doesn't help being forced to pay a minimum wage of $15hr (including health care) for those same useless employees. A brick and mortar shop will never be able to compete with a vendor that doesn't have those restrictions.

    7. Re: Amazon is part of it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even if you can't trust the majority of them? Most 'reviews' these days are either straight-up astroturfing, the bias of personal taste that may or may not match your own, or knee-jerk reactions from people often as uninformed as those you are castigating. The review culture is utterly useless.

    8. Re: Amazon is part of it... by Thundercat007 · · Score: 1

      Amazon is a part of it. But local stores don't sell what I'm looking for 90â... of the time. So I have to turn to Amazon/eBay to purchase what I wanted. Plus, why are local businesses mad? They're planning to move to all robots and screw employees, people just said well if I must order from a robot, I'll have it shipped to my door.

    9. Re: Amazon is part of it... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed. Why would I ever ask a store employee for a product recommendation? They aren't going to know more about the quality of the products just because they stock the shelf.

      I buy retail because:
      1. I need it now.
      2. I want something fresh (produce, dairy, bakery)
      3. Retail is cheaper for many common products.

      My local Walmart hires people that can barely speak English. One of their employees is in a wheelchair. Two of them appear to have Downs Syndrome. Yet Walmart gives these people meaningful employment, while keeping prices low. Win win. The dumbest thing they could do is raise prices so they can hire "smarter" employees.

    10. Re:Amazon is part of it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget the societal portion too. As we've moved from single income households and nearly everyone is a dual income household, there is less and less time to physically go shopping. Shopping online is easier, by far. There are some products my local stores don't carry, nor does Amazon. So I shop on the manufacturer's websites a lot of the time too.

      There is a shift happening. Either embrace it or fail. There will always be a place for some sort of brick-n-mortar store. You're not going to order something online you feel you need to inspect at the store. For example, we just built a fence ourselves. We tediously went through the wood at home depot and selected the best boards. Yes, we could have ordered it, had it delivered and then ended up with some really shit quality of boards. This is what a builder/contractor would have done and they would have slapped it up and been done with the project.

      This is not all Amazon, just like it wasn't all Wal-Mart sinking ma-n-pa stores in smaller communities. There is a bigger shift happening in society. Just like our "downtowns" pretty much disappeared with the advent of malls and cities zoning off residential from commercial, so people don't live near where they shop or work anymore.

      You can probably lay more blame on city/county planners than anything else.

    11. Re:Amazon is part of it... by GuB-42 · · Score: 2

      I don't need anybody to sell me anything. I come to the store to buy a thing that I like. All I need is someone to give it to me and take my money. I actually find people giving me advices rather annoying since I usually spend days researching about the thing I want to buy.

      You are the exception rather than the rule.
      And the reason you are doing this research is probably because you don't trust salesmen. Wouldn't it be better if you actually had a competent guy, pointing you directly to the right product, saving you all that time?
      And while I am also the kind of guy who spend days researching before buying, sometimes, it is easy to get lost in details. A competent seller advice can bring you back to earth. It happened to me several times.

    12. Re: Amazon is part of it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, i still get emails after buying stuff on amazon offering free stuff/refunds if i post a good review.

    13. Re: Amazon is part of it... by houstonbofh · · Score: 2

      Or they do not stock the niche items. Home Depot is really bad about this. They do not stock ANY long hammer drill bits. But they can order one... Well so can I.

    14. Re: Amazon is part of it... by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, because the information from someone who probably gets commission on crap he sells you is more reliable.

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    15. Re:Amazon is part of it... by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      Before Amazon got the blame it was Wal-mart. They also have to compete more and more with sellers of used things. What counts as a retailer anymore, anyways?

    16. Re:Amazon is part of it... by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of the (really) old Radio Shack parody:
      Radio Shack. You've got questions, We've got blank stares...

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    17. Re: Amazon is part of it... by MeNeXT · · Score: 1

      How can you tell that reviews are real? At least at the store I can touch the product even if the employee is clueless. Also some sites like Airbnb don't post negative reviews. If it's too disgusting to stay in or not as advertised or even dangerous to get to. You will never see the review.

      There's a lot of scams out there. Especially for services like Airbnb (yes I'm speaking from experiance) Airbnb doesn't care. In retail, so far, Amazon seems to be better than most brick and mortar stores with their product returns.

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    18. Re: Amazon is part of it... by n329619 · · Score: 0

      The dumbest thing they could do is raise prices so they can hire "dumber" employees.

      ftfy.

      Since by today's standard, people with Downs Syndrome might be "smarter" , especially when they
      don't know how to get addicted to FB,
      don't understand advertisement,
      don't troll on the internet,
      don't know how to click on phishing,
      don't know how to type in personal info to random website,
      don't know how to add credit card to random website,
      don't put enough privacy online for companies/ hackers to steal,
      don't have enough privacy for companies/ hackers to steal,
      don't know how to use a computer,
      don't make pointless political statement,
      don't make meaningless opinions,
      don't know how to drink and then drive,
      can't accidentally sign a debt,
      can't make new dumb laws,
      don't accidentally make babies
      and many more.

    19. Re: Amazon is part of it... by l810c · · Score: 1

      My wife and I have on been prime for several years and have generally agreed with the reviews after we have received and used the product.

      Household, Grocery, Electronics and Computers as well as Children's toys for birthdays and holidays.

      We are generally pretty happy with the convenience and price. I work from home and would rather UPS/USPS/FedEx bring boxes to our home 4-5 times a week than wander around the local big boxes.

      Someone is going to figure out a different way to beat them.

      Walmart is trying.. I have a Walmart just 5 minutes away. I go there occasionally, but 90% of their product is crappily built shit from China. That goes for most of he big box stores.

      How about opening a store full of products with High ratings? That's the way to beat them. Don't carry crap. Carry the best products with the best reviews at good prices(There are many times that I would drive a few minutes and pay a few extra $ for the convenience of having it Now)

    20. Re: Amazon is part of it... by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      Speaking of lies, do you think, maybe, just maybe mind you, the collapse of middle class incomes and jobs, just might have something possibly to do with it. Democrats and Republicans funnelling money from the middle class and working class, to the 1% might cause problems with stores that sell to the middle and working class ie less customers with less money. Why are they blaming Amazon, misdirection, and people are buying into it. I go to click and mortar to buy now and get service but only because I can afford it.

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    21. Re: Amazon is part of it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      don't know not to put your watermelon on top of your eggs and bread
      don't know to KEEP BAGGING until ALL the groceries are bagged
      don't know why they have to keep going out and bringing in the carts (I already brought them in this morning!)
      don't know why - Oh look! Shiny!

      FTFY

    22. Re:Amazon is part of it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I lol'd.

    23. Re:Amazon is part of it... by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      For minimum wage? Yeah good luck with that. There are no incentives to work retail for anyone. People do that job because they have no other prospects and need to put food on the table. Until that changes, retail stores are going to continue to lose to Amazon.

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    24. Re: Amazon is part of it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the "oh this is a real person so I trust them" fallacy. As if bots weren't written by real people. (Does that have a name?)
      The difference being that in a physical shop you pay extra to look the bot in the eyes.

    25. Re: Amazon is part of it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no idiot, but they may now what gets returned most frequently; when the newer models come out; when the best pricing is, etc.

      if your too dumb, to ask the right questions, you should aspire to the downs syndrome you refer to.

    26. Re: Amazon is part of it... by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "Don't carry crap. Carry the best products with the best reviews at good prices(There are many times that I would drive a few minutes and pay a few extra $ for the convenience of having it Now)"

      Yes, there are. The question is: are those times many enough as to cover for the store's overhead and profit? Probably not. And even then, if you go to the store is because you are in a hurry: why having the highly regarded (and probably a bit more expensive) items, when you will probably end up buying the crap at the same price tag (remember, you are in a hurry) giving me a better margin?

    27. Re:Amazon is part of it... by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "I know a lot of people will use the knowledge of the local store to find out about a product (or even try it on in the case of clothes) and then buy online because it saves them money"

      Exactly that.

      The solution is obvious... and it's not going to be implemented because the way capitalism works.

      There are a lot of products you'd better see before you buy -if you can, that is.

      Online vendors should negotiate with local retailers to be their window displays and prescriptors instead of making them paying in advance for their goods and then letting them figure how they'll cover the fix-ups, cost of business, decent profits, etc. But they won't: in the short term, they already work as displays; in the long run, of course, they'll fold and vendors probably will end up with less overall sales and quality will be hurt (when you sell based on photographs and astroturfing, there's no incentive to produce high quality items) but, who worries about tomorrow?

    28. Re: Amazon is part of it... by dasqua · · Score: 1

      Perhaps stores could do a deal with amazon to provide showrooms for products. Commissions on sales etc. this is not a particularly different business model for them.

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    29. Re:Amazon is part of it... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I put Walmart very high up on the list of what's wrong here. They deliberately cut prices when the move into a small town, and the competition dries up fast. Meanwhile they're often not paying taxes or paying low taxes because they promised the town lots of "jobs" in exchange for a tax break.

      As for Amazon, that's just for urbanites too busy to shop, what we used to call yuppies.

    30. Re: Amazon is part of it... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      How can you tell that reviews are real?

      By reading them. Are they are written in proper English? Do they actually describe what is good and bad about the product, rather than just saying "Five stars"?

      Also some sites like Airbnb don't post negative reviews.

      Wrong. I host on Airbnb, and I absolutely guarantee you that they post negative reviews, even when they are totally unjustified, such as a one star rating because the traffic from the airport was worse than expected.

    31. Re:Amazon is part of it... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile they're often not paying taxes or paying low taxes because they promised the town lots of "jobs" in exchange for a tax break.

      Bullcrap. I doubt very much if you can cite even a single example of this happening.

    32. Re: Amazon is part of it... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Why would I ever ask a store employee for a product recommendation?

      Maybe because the world is full of misinformation and because not everyone runs around googling every small detail they see. I often shop at stores looking for something that meets a generic specification. Having to google each and every item I see on the shelf is a waste of time.

      Walk into a hardware store I expect to be able to say: "I'm looking for a water proof glue that is food safe," and get a response along the lines of: "This one, this one and this one are food safe. What are you trying to glue together because they are not all suitable for all materials?"

      You said it yourself. "1. You need it now." Googling every tiny detail does not fit the "need it now" requirement.

    33. Re: Amazon is part of it... by havana9 · · Score: 1

      Still not convinced. I don't need some employees opinion when I can have reviews from a multitude of sites literally at my fingertips.

      If the clerk is a competent one it will help selling you the right thing and giving you post selling services. For instance, if you are buying a puskbike having a bike right for your body sized and tuned to yours is a good thing that an on-line retailer can't do.
      The problem stems with large chins that have based their success on low prices and as side effect having few untrained clerks unavailable for any explanation or having learnt only what is on the site.
      What I have noticed regular full-time employees are way more competent compared with franchisers or temps. Sky had the option to buy a yearly prepaid smart card for the subscription, you pay it you put in the receiver and for 1 year you can watch pay TV, ended the year you give back the old one and get a new one. No credit card required. The option was tucked somewhere in the web site but if you asked to random guy in the mall they weren't aware.

    34. Re:Amazon is part of it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't sound profitable at all!

    35. Re:Amazon is part of it... by bsolar · · Score: 1

      There is no need for such deals: reviews can include video and for many products they can be found on youtube, including unpackaging and usage giving a lot of insight on the product. Furthermore a good return policy like the EU mandatory 14 days return no-questions-asked for online purchases means you can actually try most products and return them if you figure out it was a bad purchase.

    36. Re:Amazon is part of it... by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      Agreed! Also, brick & mortar failed to develop a set of differentiators, especially that you can browse the store and take stuff home the same day. Beats 2 day delivery even when it is free. Sadly, when I go to department stores these days the choices especially for tech gear are slim, often there is no choice because only one type is sold. What is interesting in all this: Amazon now bought brick & mortar and opens up new stores. Another attraction for local stores is customer service. I used to be a frequent shopper at the local Target. Bought a watch there once, had a problem with it, they fixed it right there. Battery was empty, they replaced it right there for the cost of the battery (others charge a ridiculous fee like 30$). Last time I set foot into a Target was when I needed a battery replacement again and they told me they no longer do that. Bought the tools and battery from Amazon and watched YouTube videos on how to do it myself. THIS is how you destroy your own company!

    37. Re: Amazon is part of it... by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      Which often are fake by paid reviewers. If anything, read the negative reviews. Nobody pays to have people diss the product.

    38. Re:Amazon is part of it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      100% agree.

      There are plenty of ways that brick and mortar stores can add value.

      My favorite example is computers.

      I went to best buy a number of times to try to buy a computer the last couple times. I didn't know what was out there, but the staff knew even less than me, and they were trying to sell this thing to me.

      So I'm paying a premium to buy something that isn't what I want from people who can't help me out.

      Now, eventually I found a store with staff that knew their product lines, and they were able to get me exactly what I wanted. I had that computer for 5 years and was very happy with it.

      Ironically, Best Buy probably thinks I'm one of those folks who they claim test drive a product in their store before buying it online. That's false. They failed to sell me a product repeatedly. That's what they got.

      If I was still in that city, I would have purchased from that brick and mortar store again. This time, rather than fight with best buy and the like again, I called up Dell and had them ship me an alienware. I know I'm getting a good computer from folks who know about gaming computers, I paid a premium, but to hell with it. I had the computer in about a week, and I bet I'll have this for at least 5 years.

      So, where are the potential benefits for a brick and mortar store?

      1. Customer service. Hire people who know more than I do, or hire normal folks and train them on your product lines. Talking to a human is preferable to trying to coax a machine into giving me the answers.

      2. Immediacy. I don't need to wait 24 hours, I don't need to wait 48 hours, I don't need to wait a week, I can give over my cash and have the thing I want in that moment.

      3. Tangibility. I can walk in and look at a thing before I buy, or perhaps walk in and see something I like in person more.

      These are big benefits, but stores need to get in the game and own them.

    39. Re: Amazon is part of it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I find online is pure laziness.

      A catalog should have some basic metadata. Physical dimensions, weight, material type(s), color(s), brand, and country of origin are some of the most basic. Yet, this is often missing. Or wrong. And frequently unsortable/unfilterable. For fuck's sake, half of these sites won't let you even filter out out-of-stock items. How stupid are the durka durkas and the plantation owners that hire them to cobble together these lousy storefronts?

    40. Re:Amazon is part of it... by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "There is no need for such deals: reviews can include video and for many products they can be found on youtube"

      If you think video is a good substitute for having the item at hand, you are not for quality, so I'm not talking to you, so to say.

      "including unpackaging and usage giving a lot of insight on the product"

      Payed astroturfing is still payed astroturfing even when videos are involved.

      "Furthermore a good return policy like the EU mandatory 14 days return no-questions-asked "

      Except the return is on customers' dime.

    41. Re:Amazon is part of it... by houstonbofh · · Score: 1
      You get it! Higher price for a worse experience won't cut it.

      1. Customer service. Hire people who know more than I do, or hire normal folks and train them on your product lines. Talking to a human is preferable to trying to coax a machine into giving me the answers.

      Or at least people who know where the thing you want to buy is! Half of them can't even do that! :)

    42. Re:Amazon is part of it... by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      Online vendors should negotiate with local retailers to be their window displays and prescriptors instead of making them paying in advance for their goods and then letting them figure how they'll cover the fix-ups, cost of business, decent profits, etc. But they won't: in the short term, they already work as displays; in the long run, of course, they'll fold and vendors probably will end up with less overall sales and quality will be hurt (when you sell based on photographs and astroturfing, there's no incentive to produce high quality items) but, who worries about tomorrow?

        Actually, it's already happening. You probably won't notice it but a lot of stores do just this - the store inventory is not actually owned by the store, but is consigned by the manufacturer. It's called "vendor managed inventory" - the store gets a box of stuff, and by contract must display that box of stuff in a rack of a certain size.

      The best known example is Best Buy. If you wonder why there can be racks and racks of empty shelves, it's because Best Buy is contractually obligated to have that many racks for the vendor (e.g., Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo). It's up to the vendor to manage those racks - and yes, you get gigantic WTFs like an empty rack for the PS Vita - but the contract said there had to be a rack for PS Vita, even though Sony doesn't ship Best Buy any Vita stuff.

      It's also why Best Buy can match Amazon pricing among others - you are not technically Best Buy's customer - the vendor is. If the vendor is selling it cheaper online, so be it - Best Buy isn't paid to move the merchandise, they're paid to display it.

      Oh and of course, Best Buy can sell warranties and all that to make a few extra bucks on the side, plus serve as a nice easy return depot for unwanted purchases as it's all charged to the vendor in the end.

    43. Re:Amazon is part of it... by Megane · · Score: 1

      I blame Wal-Mart for the death of Radio Shack. In second and third place I blame Radio Shack, then maybe Amazon. If you go down the aisles of the electronics department in Wal-Mart these days, you find it to have pretty much everything that average people would go to Radio Shack for. (Average people didn't want resistors and transistors.) Low price, and right away, it's hard to beat that. I use Amazon for stuff that's too weird for normal retailers to stock.

      I blame RS themselves in second place because they were so focused on cell phone contracts (and you can get prepaid phones at Wal-Mart!) that they put everything else on cruise control. The number of $35 HDMI cables on the shelves during the Radio Shack final clearance was shocking. Ten years ago they might have been worth $35, but now even $15 is a lot.

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    44. Re:Amazon is part of it... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I won't name specific cities, but it has happened a few times in the central valley of California. The one in my home town was built exactly outside of the town borders because no agreement was reached regarding incentives. I can see several links on the net about opposition to city council plans to provide tax breaks to Walmart and some other big box retailers, but I'm not linking them here.

      Here are links which are somewhat political about this issue. There is a Walmart rebuttal to this, but it's on Forbes which is paywalled.
      http://www.walmartsubsidywatch...
      https://americansfortaxfairnes...

    45. Re:Amazon is part of it... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't it be better if you actually had a competent guy, pointing you directly to the right product, saving you all that time?

      Once upon a time you used to have small shops which only carried one or two brands. They did the research, figured out what they wanted to sell, and carried that. If you didn't know what you wanted you went down and asked them, and they told you. Today everyone thinks they're a goddamned genius, they get a notion into their head and then they go buy something based on emotions. If you confuse them with logic they might not buy anything. So you stock everything, put all the boxes on the shelf, and hope something works. Small shops can't afford to do that. Big shops are chains and always looking for a way to optimize out the last dollar of waste. So it goes.

      Absolutely no store can compete with the selection you can find online, though. So really, retail is doomed. The only things people of the hypothetical future in which climate change doesn't smash human civilization are actually going to be buying in stores are impulse food buys, thrift store items (putting all that stuff online and shipping it is just a hassle) and maybe arts and crafts.

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    46. Re: Amazon is part of it... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Or they do not stock the niche items. Home Depot is really bad about this. They do not stock ANY long hammer drill bits. But they can order one... Well so can I.

      I think the assumption is that shoppers still care more about being able to buy an assortment of different versions of the same item than being able to buy the specific thing they need right now. They might well be right, I don't know. I know that I for one will order what I want online at the lowest possible price if I know what I want, and if I'm going to Home Depot for something I probably need it ASAP... so I would prefer that they have a broader selection of items than a broad selection of the same items, over and over again, by different manufacturers. One is much like another to me, if I'm actually in there.

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    47. Re:Amazon is part of it... by dddux · · Score: 1

      Absolutely, I don't trust the salesmen, but I would like to spare myself from having to research it all by myself.

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    48. Re:Amazon is part of it... by dddux · · Score: 1

      However, thinking about it a bit further, you can never expect a really good advice from a salesman because he will always try to sell you what's more expensive and what's better for his company in some way.

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  2. Amazon is into prostitution now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Oh sorry, I read that as "Investors in Europe are worried that it is now spreading a broad."

    1. Re:Amazon is into prostitution now? by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Oh sorry, I read that as "Investors in Europe are worried that it is now spreading a broad."

      Prime same day delivery will kill backpage!

    2. Re:Amazon is into prostitution now? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Is prostitution the only way you're able to "spread a broad"?

    3. Re:Amazon is into prostitution now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A sufficiently large blender might result in a jar of broad spread.

  3. Amazon: ready to sell you down the river by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I still can't get how people are so caught up in convenience that they not only make their own local economies wither but also turn over such troves of data to the master data-miners.

    Everyone needs to remember where the name comes from. The Amazons mutilated themselves just so they could be war-like.

    1. Re:Amazon: ready to sell you down the river by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not one local retailer stocks what I want nor do they have an ordering infrastructure that isn't a minimum 3 week wait.

      Shopping online caters to my taste, is quick to deliver and is cheaper. It's simply not possible to compete with that in any way

    2. Re: Amazon: ready to sell you down the river by alvinrod · · Score: 2, Insightful

      None of this is really new. Over 100 years ago local general stores were losing business to Sears Roebuck or Wards who had much the same idea of delivering product to customers only they used magazine catalogs instead of webpages.

      Somehow the world and economy survived and improved greatly on the whole. You forget that people who save money buying through Amazon instead of at a mall now have additional money to spend into the local economy.

      In another century Amazon will be supplanted by something else. Probably local businesses that can 3D print or otherwise fabricate custom goods for consumers.

    3. Re: Amazon: ready to sell you down the river by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3D printing was a passing fad. In one hundred years, the most successful retailers will be those selling a wide range of blockchains.

    4. Re:Amazon: ready to sell you down the river by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Ionly make their own local economies wither

      Nonsense. Retail jobs are unproductive and create no additional goods or services. The elimination of these jobs is good for the economy, since it frees up labor for productive work. Rising productivity not only raises living standards, it is the only thing that raises living standards. The common belief that it is a "bad thing" is ridiculous.

      Go visit a 3rd world country. You will see thousands of people sitting behind tables, or with some goods laid out on a blanket by the side of the road. In poor countries, far more people work in dead end retail jobs. So why aren't they rich if they are working so many hours?

    5. Re: Amazon: ready to sell you down the river by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've tried to tell some of my local retailers to jump on the 3D printing bandwagon, but they can't figure it out. The other thing that local retailers can move towards is one of a kind, custom or adjustable items that require a step up in customer service.

    6. Re:Amazon: ready to sell you down the river by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A few days ago, I needed a 12x12 sheet of .125" 6016 T6 aluminum.

      Locally - $11.60, but a 1 hour drive EACH WAY.. $25.00 to ship it to me.

      Another local place in my suburb - $36.00

      Amazon? $13.60, delivered second-day because I'm a Prime member.

      For $20 or so, I can wait.

    7. Re:Amazon: ready to sell you down the river by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Retail jobs are unproductive

      No. Unskilled retail jobs are unproductive. The skilled and knowledgeable who can readily offer the best advice improve your efficiency which is productive.

      good for the economy

      Scratch that. The idiots who just recommend the product with the highest margins are good for the economy because they'll recommend something that doesn't suit your needs and then you need to go shopping a second time.

    8. Re:Amazon: ready to sell you down the river by r0kk3rz · · Score: 1

      Nonsense. Retail jobs are unproductive and create no additional goods or services. The elimination of these jobs is good for the economy, since it frees up labor for productive work.

      The problem is the education critical mass for productive work is increasing, you simply need to know a lot more stuff to be able to contribute to society.

      Take away retail jobs (unproductive), and the now unemployed people (still unproductive) are going to need further education (also unproductive) and probably some kind of welfare so they can continue to live whilst retraining to do something useful.

      In the long term this will probably be a good thing, but we need to stump up on education now and be prepared to pay for a large amount of displaced workers whose livelihoods have been made redundant. The idea that you can learn a simple trade, and spend your entire life doing it I believe is coming to an end, and the era of life long learning is beginning.

    9. Re:Amazon: ready to sell you down the river by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Unskilled retail jobs are unproductive. The skilled and knowledgeable who can readily offer the best advice improve your efficiency which is productive.

      Unfortunately, these 'skilled and knowledgeable' retail people don't exist in practice, or are very well hidden from the customer.

    10. Re:Amazon: ready to sell you down the river by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whatever happened to buy locally? Free market, big corp?

    11. Re:Amazon: ready to sell you down the river by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gosh, imagine how thrilled retail workers must be when they're told that they've been "freed up!" "Finally, after all this time, this is my big chance to be productive!", they must all say...

      And I guess you also must be looking forward to the day when you'll get "freed up" yourself. Because, after all, it's all for the good of the economy.

    12. Re: Amazon: ready to sell you down the river by paco.j.navarrete · · Score: 1

      You don't know how the production to market chain works. The production to only one seller makes the seller set the price. This lead to abuse.

  4. Re: by kurkosdr · · Score: 2

    I used to visit retail shops, before I realised Amazon is cheaper and I don't have to carry stuff inside buses and underground trains.

  5. Which US stores are closing? by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

    NYC it's a bunch of boutiques who rented in overpriced neighborhoods and lost money on their flagship stores to make it up elsewhere. Toys'R'Us is in chapter 11 but I think its happened before.

    Otherwise I'm going to B&M more than ever. Best Buy is the same price as Amazon most of the time. Same with Target. No need to pay $100 for shipping. I just bought new sneakers and was able to try them on before buying. I'm never buying another phone before playing with it in the store. Bought my kindle B&M. I like Zenni, but I still buy a lot of glasses in local stores.

    1. Re:Which US stores are closing? by Ironman126 · · Score: 2

      I really think it comes down to what you are buying. I buy clothes, household goods, office supplies, etc. from B&M because it's way more convenient than waiting to get what I need from an online retailer. But specialty items? Yes, I could probably track down really specific items, but it might take me a week of calling around and there's no guarantee that I'll actually find what I'm looking for.

    2. Re:Which US stores are closing? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Yeah Amazon continues to get shittier and shittier. I buy a lot of fixed-price shit (like video games) at Best Buy. I used to buy primarily from Amazon, but they fucked me with delayed shipping, fucked me with canceled orders, and fucked me with damaged boxes and items (of collectors editions, Amiibo, etc.). So fuck Amazon.

      Best Buy charges $30 for 2 years of their Gamer's Club Unlocked thing, which gets you the same 20% off new titles that Amazon Prime gives you, but it has fewer exceptions and applies to some accessories (such as Amiibo). There are also sometimes extra bonuses for preordering (an additional $10 in credit for the new Mario game, for example). I also get free in-store pickup on launch day, and for big releases that means midnight. Whereas with Amazon I have to wait for it to be delivered between 2 and 8 PM, hopefully on the promised day. I've tried the Amazon locker a few times. Same day pickup? Bullshit. Most of the time I end up getting the 'Your item is ready for pickup" the following day. Occasionally, it comes the promised day, but after the locker location is closed (or 5 minutes prior). If you're in to the trading in games thing or the buying used games thing, the GCU program applies to both ends of that. I've never done it though.

      Amazon wants $100 a year for Prime. It's got some music subscription I'll never use, a hodgepodge video selection I'll never use because the interface is shit and they always reset the view to include shit you have to pay for (on top of your Prime Subscription). You get free shipping on a bunch of stuff, sure, but it's not worth $100 a year. I don't live in New York City or San Francisco, so I don't have Amazon Fresh, Amazon Instant, Amazon Trendy, Amazon Quinoa, etc. available as an option. I have Amazon Pantry, but the $5 shipping charge means each time I need to buy toilet paper or kitchen sponges I have to wade through a list of rotating shit I don't need and pick out 5 promoted items to get the $5 shipping fee waived. And if the 5 items aren't worth their own cost minus the $5 shipping credit, I just roll out to Smart & Final and schlepp around a fucking cart to buy the bulkier items. (Normally, I just use the little basket for my weekly grocery shopping.) I could also go to Costco, but that's always a nightmare. Just surviving the parking lot is a feat unto itself.

      If I had a Target (or even WalMart) near me, I doubt I'd touch Amazon at all. The prices aren't great, the Prime benefits are focused on stupid digital services instead of the one thing I want - fast and free shipping, and the item selection, 3rd party sellers, and rise of counterfeit / shitty Chinese products make it more like eBay.

    3. Re: Which US stores are closing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You hate amazon. We get it. Sorry they rejected your job application. Move on.

    4. Re: Which US stores are closing? by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      They have Amazon fresh in Dallas now. The music streaming I use on my TV as a sort of radio, prime video is useful for the random stuff that isn't on Netflix. If all you care about is getting video games on their release date then yeah you're going to hate it. Personally I don't have the time to go shopping but once every two weeks; Amazon being price competitive with brick and mortar, I just order through Amazon unless I need fresh produce or it's an emergency.

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    5. Re: Which US stores are closing? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      The main thing I care about is free 2 day shipping. But they keep moving more items to the "add-on item" category, delaying shipments, etc.

    6. Re: Which US stores are closing? by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      I just add items to my cart throughout the week and when I hit $35-75 hot "buy" unless I'm running low on paper towels or something. My average order price is around $55 and I make 1-2 orders a week so add on items doesn't impact me a whole lot

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  6. Amazon Effect? by foxalopex · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure if it's really appropriate to call it the "Amazon Effect" seeing how there's only online giants like Alibaba and so forth. For electronics and computer stuff I can see that being purchased online. Many small computer shops have closed in my area in recent years and even giants like BestBuy are struggling. It all makes sense because unlike clothes, if you read reviews and do your research most folks don't buy electronics as a fashion statement. I don't see clothes and shoes going online thou because it's hard to size clothes looking at a picture.

    Also I can't help to think that some chains over-expanded due to economic slowdown in recent years got hit pretty hard as well.

    1. Re:Amazon Effect? by JohnFen · · Score: 1, Insightful

      even giants like BestBuy are struggling

      Well, in all fairness, Best Buy is one of the worst and has deserved to go out of business for years.

    2. Re:Amazon Effect? by Megane · · Score: 1

      Circuit City deserved it more, and has been out of business for years. So sometimes things do work out right. I've barely stepped in a Best Buy in years, anyhow, but that was because I lived near a Fry's. I've since moved to the next big city over, but there's also Tar-jay, and they're slightly easier to get to from where I live. I just don't buy as much new stuff in general.

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  7. It's alright... by dasgoober · · Score: 1

    ...I have Amazon stock!

  8. Big Amazon is Bad For America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I really hate the idea that one billionaire's company
              a) is destroying small business in middle america
              b) is becoming an import pipeline for foreign goods into the country
              c) gets cheap delivery service from the post office (tax payer subsidy)
              d) pays a very small percentage of taxes compared to the typical large business
              e) is accelerating the process of replacing the bottom 70% of citizens by automation
              f) controls political discourse using the Washington Post as a megaphone
              g) has so much control of politics that it is an unaccountable giant corporation

    American citizens were much better off before Amazon. The bigger Amazon gets, the worse it gets for the average American citizen.

    1. Re:Big Amazon is Bad For America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I really hate the idea that one billionaire's company,

      So by all means, do not buy from Amazon then, as is your right.

      I on the other hand love Amazon: their selection is unrivalled, their service has been great, and the prices beat local vendors. I will continue to buy from them, as is my right.

    2. Re: Big Amazon is Bad For America by PoopJuggler · · Score: 1

      99% of the shit I buy from Amazon comes on a UPS truck.

  9. Is that what took down... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    /. for 2 days?

    1. Re: Is that what took down... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they were testing their new blockchain-based editing functionality. And it was 100% success... no typos, no duped stories and no confusing large bodies of water located on opposite sides of the globe.

    2. Re:Is that what took down... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      /. for 2 days?

      Yeah--what was with that outage?

  10. broke consumers can't consume... by Thud457 · · Score: 0

    dammit, I thought we were blaming teh Millennials for killing businesses now. Stick to the script.

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  11. Since when? by justthinkit · · Score: 1

    I wasn't aware the "recession" had a date associated with it. Perhaps the writer meant the depression.

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    1. Re:Since when? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The recession started in Nov 2008 and lasted to Nov 2016. It seems to be over now.

  12. Simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Drop your prices and or add value.

    I have looked for specific products on other websites as well as street retailers and consistently face either paying more and getting nothing better, or buying from Amazon.

    1. Re:Simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not so simple. Many retailers are already operating on razor-thin margins. Amazon can afford to undercut them until they're out of business, since investors are happy to pump money into a growing behemoth. Goodbye, other retailers.

    2. Re:Simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      investors are happy to pump money into a growing behemoth.

      They would do well even without the investors.
      a) Amazon owns cheap warehouses to store its goods whereas BaM stores rent expensive real estate for their stores.
      b) Amazon uses a few servers, sysadmins and programmers to sell a ton of goods, whereas BaM stores use expensive salespeople to sell few goods.

      And since the buyer usually pays shipping, Amazon must be making a killing in profit since their costs are a tiny fraction of a typical retail store. On top of that, they hardly pay any taxes. So they must be filthy rich by now.

    3. Re:Simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Adding value does not necessarily mean lower prices. A local shop can add value with a personal service. Remind your customers that they are supporting their local economy by buying from you. The local shop round the corner from me is run by people who live in my area. They know my name and they smile at me. It costs them nothing, but it ensures that I buy from them and not from their competitor.

  13. may spread? it already has... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i live nearby city in eu where best store locations have had several long standing shops closed down... and best part.. two largest had large internet shops too, and prior that post-catalogue ordering system and both are bankrupt might be something else going on than amazon....

  14. Haha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can only enjoy your low prices until Amazon rules the whole world retail.

    1. Re:Haha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then suppliers can sell direct like the studios are doing to netflix.

  15. Amp experience by citylivin · · Score: 4, Funny

    Needed to replace a QSC amp. Found it on amazon with 2 day shipping for free (thing weighs like 30lbs...). Decided i felt sorry for our local AV place so i called them up and asked them the price. Was about $50 more plus some small amount for shipping. Told them about amazon and offered them to price match it, which they did.

    2 weeks later and i was still waiting for the part. They said their supplier had a delay. Finally 3 weeks later the amp arrived. No apologies or anything from the local guys (likely not their fault, but still...)

    So next time I won't even bother getting them to quote and price match. Amazon's distribution chain in canada is blowing everyone away right now.

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    1. Re:Amp experience by swb · · Score: 1

      They price matched to gain the sale, and then sought out a supplier $50 cheaper than their usual supplier or some other kind of discount (maybe holding off until they ordered something else to cut shipping, etc).

      Your better compromise was probably to have eaten the $50 and negotiated away the shipping charges, but that's only if you really care about the local AV guys. If they don't matter to you at all, then why bother with them in the first place?

    2. Re:Amp experience by Megane · · Score: 1

      I think a big problem is when a local place treats a customer like that, who doesn't complain loudly, but simply doesn't come back. Especially when the customer does say something, just without yelling their ears off. I know I've gotten tired of complaining about things like that, it's just not worth it when they won't care anyhow.

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  16. That is a very American view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Online shopping became popular in Europe a bit earlier than in the US. Amazon came too late to the party to become a significant player. Even now it's only present in a few European countries.

    Another important difference is that I get the feeling that the US market is dominated by a relatively small number of big online retailers. In Europe, there are countless small online shops, often family businesses and often grown out of existing brick-and-mortar shops.

  17. The "retail apocalypse" isn't Amazon's fault by JohnFen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Major retail stores have been giving a horrible experience and value proposition for longer than Amazon has existed. The difference is that before Amazon came around, there wasn't really any alternative.

    I do shop at some retail stores that actually give value and don't present a terrible experience. They tend to be small, sole proprietorships rather than chains. If they don't have what I need, then I go online.

    Interestingly, at least in my neck of the woods, those small shops are doing pretty well. It's the larger retailers that are closing. It seems to me they brought it on themselves.

    1. Re:The "retail apocalypse" isn't Amazon's fault by Mordaximus · · Score: 1

      I do shop at some retail stores that actually give value and don't present a terrible experience. They tend to be small, sole proprietorships rather than chains. If they don't have what I need, then I go online.

      I understand what you're saying, however I think those small proprietorships have an advantage because they tend to focus on a particular set of merchandise. Consider best buy vs. a local Stereo shop. The local shop won't also stock washers and dryers and god knows what else. So they tend to know what they are selling very, very well.

      I would say that the Apple Store tends to give that same sort of experience; they are focused on a very small set of products, have them on hand and know them well. (I know I'll probably get bashed just for mentioning Apple, but hey, I've only ever had great experiences at the Apple Store.)

    2. Re:The "retail apocalypse" isn't Amazon's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Major retail stores have been giving a horrible experience and value proposition for longer than Amazon has existed

      Mod parent up. "Value proposition" is the key here.

      - Walmart has HORRIBLE customer service, everybody knows this, yet they are doing well. Their value proposition is low prices.
      - Whole Foods / EarthFare / etc. organic food stores are doing well. Their value proposition is the type/quality of their goods.
      - Amazon.com is doing well. Their value proposition is the convenience + rating system.
      - My local craft beer store is doing well. Their value proposition is the socialization and mutual interest in a hobby.

      Want to compete? Come up with a value proposition that hasn't been done yet.

    3. Re:The "retail apocalypse" isn't Amazon's fault by havana9 · · Score: 1

      Interestingly, at least in my neck of the woods, those small shops are doing pretty well. It's the larger retailers that are closing. It seems to me they brought it on themselves.

      Fist of all small shops that are having problematic owners tend to go out of business quicker than large retail chains, even simply because a small shop down town can be sold and rented more easily than a mall in the middle of nowhere at the motorway exit. So the better managed could survive easily.
      There are also smaller shops that are in a chain I think for instance Carrefour or Auchan/Simply and from what I could see the smaller shops compensates their higher costs with the easiness of access: if I need only a fluorescent tube or some candles, I don't drive to the big hardware mall or Ikea, I'll go in the smaller hardware store or Carrefour. Besides smaller grocery stores tend to have a much faster turnaround on vegetables and fresh foods.

  18. Sell Me What I WANT! by darkain · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm absolutely sick and tired of walking into a physical local store location with cash in hand... only for them to not even stock what I'm looking to purchase. And thus, I return home, order online, and have it in a few days. This isn't a once or twice thing, but an often enough occurrence that I've honestly stopped shopping locally entirely except for groceries.

    Its as simple as this: I can't buy what you don't have!

    1. Re:Sell Me What I WANT! by nerdonamotorcycle · · Score: 1

      A lot of people would suggest calling the store first before traveling any distance, but that's useless. Use the phone and call, and you get one of two answers. Either you get "Derp! I dunno!", or you get, "Sure, we got it! Come on down!" and then when you get there you find they don't have it, because the hump who answered the phone never bothered to go and look on the shelf.

    2. Re:Sell Me What I WANT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you tried going to a sex shop to buy your dildo's?

    3. Re:Sell Me What I WANT! by Jeremi · · Score: 1

      I'm absolutely sick and tired of walking into a physical local store location with cash in hand... only for them to not even stock what I'm looking to purchase.

      This is absolutely a problem; it's just not one that a small-to-medium-sized retail outlet can easily solve. In order to guarantee that (whatever you are looking for on a given day) will be in stock on that day, they need to keep a large inventory at their store -- inventory which costs a lot of money to procure and takes up a lot of expensive retail space to store on-site. Then they either have to pass those costs on to you as higher prices, or eat the loss and eventually go out of business. So they either do the former, and lose business to Amazon because they aren't price-competitive, or they reduce their inventory to only the big sellers, and lose business to Amazon because people get frustrated with their lack of selection.

      I don't see any way for retail to win here; Amazon keeps a huge amount of inventory in cheap warehouses and uses automation to keep their labor costs down; short of a big increase in the cost of shipping, I'd say it's game, set, and match for Amazon.

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    4. Re:Sell Me What I WANT! by Xyrus · · Score: 2

      True. Even in home improvement stores like Lowe's. You go to their website and you see a wide variety of products, styles, etc. Then you filter on what's available local to you and it's maybe a couple of products, and usually the crappier ones. And if I'm going to be ordering online anyway, I'm probably going to head over to Amazon to see what they have.

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    5. Re:Sell Me What I WANT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ironically, the reason why you can't find what you are looking for, is the same reason amazon, excels.

      supply chain.

      supply chain, encourages you to fill, your shop, with cheap shit, and charge as high a price as you can.

      because amazon, doesn't pay any of the overhead, and can work its peasants to death and injury in unseen warehouses, you can get your cheap over-priced shit, mailed to you at a 5% discount.

      yeah, your a fucking winner!

    6. Re:Sell Me What I WANT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention the fact that I can usually drive to the store to look at the empty shelf more quickly than I can get anyone to answer the damned phone anyway.

    7. Re:Sell Me What I WANT! by lexman098 · · Score: 1

      Seriously, I went to best buy to get something after their website said it was in stock at that particular store. Turns out they don't even carry the thing. Even their website is full of shit.

    8. Re:Sell Me What I WANT! by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      I don't see any way for retail to win here

      I do. You can't compete with Amazon (or big box retailers) on selection, and it's clearly suicidal to try.

      However, small mom-and-pop retailers do have advantages that Amazon can't even hope to have: namely, to provide real customer service.

      For example, I can't tell you the number of times I've gone into a small shop looking for something to solve a problem I have, but not knowing what would be best. The shop owner, who knows the related product space, then gives me honest advice -- even if the advice is to buy a product that the store doesn't even carry. That's real customer service, and that shop has guaranteed that I'll come back to buy stuff they do, in fact, carry.

      Also, small shops get to know their customers. Not in the creepy, spying way that big companies seem to think counts as "getting to know their customers", but in the neighborly way you get to know somebody by, you know, having casual conversations with them over time. Those shops then do things like set aside stuff they know I'll want, or even order things they wouldn't ordinarily carry, knowing that I'll buy it if it's there, etc.

      It's pretty much the difference between small companies and large companies in every industry: small companies make it possible, large companies make it cheap. There's a legitimate role for both, and the two can and do coexist.

  19. Why Worry? by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    Investors are free to invest where they choose to invest. If one is invested in brick and mortar stores and the earnings are challenged simply move your investment to another company whether it is on-line or in Bangladesh or whatever. That is one basic nightmare about capitalism. The wealthy may have zero concern for the effects of where they choose to invest or not invest.

  20. Zara adapts by spinitch · · Score: 1

    Zara expanding online but still leverages retail where better able to get customer sentiment. Even Amazon testing how to utilize retail. Expect retail to continue decline overall but will also get better to offer more than online. Of course otherwise no point. Panasonic in Ginza offers beauty salon services along with gadgets which can easily buy online to so no need to carry home but retail helps the touch and try experience. https://www.google.co.jp/amp/w...

  21. Americans mostly shop on price by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    only solidly middle class folks can afford to do otherwise and, well, we're running out of those. I knew we were in trouble when Mervyn's went out of business. The were the place you went when you made too much for Walmart but not enough for Macy's. They didn't even get Bain'd like most of the brands that went tits up (Toys R Us, Kay Bee Toys and of all things a local chain in my neck of the woods called Yellow Front come to mind).

    Basically wages are down. Way down. Folks can't afford "shopping experiences" like what you're describing. They buy it online for cheap instead.

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  22. Waiting for Amazon used. by WolfgangVL · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Once Amazon second-hand, or Amazon-thrift, or whatever they eventually choose to call it hit the net, it's over for retail.

    I shop in pawn-shops, thrift-stores and craigslist more than ANYTHING else. It's not that I'm broke, I'm just not paying 3x prices for the new plastic smell.

    Pawn-shop guys are friendly in a no-bullshit kind of way. No fake smiles, you can actually talk down the prices, most of the time they own the joint, and they don't work on commission. Craigslist usually means a 5 dollar cup of coffee but is worth it most f the time, I've yet to get burned, and you can't beat the price of cloths at a thrift store. I'm wearing a $250.00 leather jacket I picked up for 20 bucks.. I don't care if somebody died in it.

    My prime membership pays for itself every Christmas though. Usually with a single gift+free gift wrapping for the girls... they love that shit. Prime has products with free shipping for cheaper than the manufacturer charges +shipping. We actually use the prime video with the firestick too, so that's a plus.

    Retail is doomed.

    Last time I was at wal-mart was to buy my son a prepaid game card. The cops wrestled a spun out junkie to the ground right in front of the entryway on our way in, and some asshole rear ended my pickup while parked in the parking lot.

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    1. Re:Waiting for Amazon used. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love buying local, and paying cash. I do it when I can.
      Pawn shops are _the way_ to buy a TV, if you don't need the very latest. There are so many old TVs out there. I just picked up a beautiful TV to put in the basement. Got to try it out in the store, no grief from the guy behind the counter.
      Amazon/ebay seem like the way to go if you need to find something specific. An 8oz thermos for my kid, without a built-in straw? Amazon, because where else am I going to find that?
      I usually only buy clothes if I know exactly what I'm getting. Have a pair of shoes that you love? Want one more pair? They're probably out there on Amazon.

    2. Re:Waiting for Amazon used. by Megane · · Score: 1

      The thing is that most people wouldn't buy things used, not so much because of the social stigma of going to a place like a pawn shop, but because they don't even know such a possibility exists. Or even if they do know, it is so out of their normal activity that it never comes to mind when they need something, or maybe they don't know where to find such places. Or just don't want to take the time to find something "good enough" and prefer to go somewhere they can be sure of walking out with something. Either way, more money than sense because they don't know how to shop.

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    3. Re:Waiting for Amazon used. by WolfgangVL · · Score: 1

      they don't even know such a possibility exists.

      Bullshit.

       

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    4. Re:Waiting for Amazon used. by Megane · · Score: 1

      Wow, that's such an amazingly insightful, interesting, and informative post. Not.

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  23. competent guy by n329619 · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't it be better if you actually had a competent guy

    I think you mean having a friend instead of a salesman. Friend that understand other friends needs is way better at recommending the right product than a salesman, since their goal is not about increasing sales but to have a good time.

  24. bad products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The one area where stores are responding is organic foods and this needs to stop because it is a bad product. This is how stores are getting pushed into selling crap that won't profit.

  25. Thank you Amazon! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe some day city centers will be for people to live and meet instead of shopping malls. Maybe some day we will have public space outside of shopping malls.

  26. Amazon, plus saturation. by sootman · · Score: 1

    Part of what we're seeing is due to there being too many of some kinds of stores in some areas. It's nice having a few electronics stores in town. I don't need 90 of them.

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    1. Re:Amazon, plus saturation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      seriously kill me if I see another cell phone store.

    2. Re:Amazon, plus saturation. by Megane · · Score: 1

      And that is one of the reasons Radio Shack died, they seemed completely unaware of what their real competition was, even in the market niche (cell phones) that they cared about the most.

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  27. What Amazon effect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've spent under $40 on Amazon in 2 years.

    1. Re:What Amazon effect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've spent under $40 on Amazon in 2 years.

      and I've spent over 5 grand. The courier and posties are in awe with how many packages we get delivered, much of it is consumables.

  28. Malta by wolverine1999 · · Score: 1

    In Malta most prices are much more expensive than Amazon, except for a few retailers like Scan.
    Plus at times they don't stock the latest versions, which is worse.

  29. Amazon destroys employment by paco.j.navarrete · · Score: 1

    I think that amazon must pay to the society the loss of employments due its robot automatization.

  30. Amazon/Walmart by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    Wonder why you don't see "the left" protesting against Amazon, like they did Walmart? Oh, Walmart...they are putting mom & pop business out of business and on and on. Well, isn't Amazon doing the same thing? Oh wait a minute. I forget...liberals (among others) LOVE Amazon, it's chic, it's hip, it's trendy....and they are located in a leftist paradise. Seattle.

    1. Re:Amazon/Walmart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You actually do.

      Come on, man. You think anyone can do anything without getting in some snowflakes bad books? This is America for gods sake! We've got 2 wings on the high flying bird of outrage!

  31. All the benefit of convience but none of Privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People seem to forget or care about the lack of possible records of purchasing any item regardless if they think it has any negative impact and regardless of video cameras all round check out.

    I can see why someone asked how we reached where we are today with a disregard of privacy and personal info.

  32. Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most of Europe is now out of the recession, but not out of the crisis. Last year a peak number of shops foreclosed and that has barely improved. I am not sure about this Amazon, but Internet shopping is part of the reason.