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Department of Justice Demands Facebook Information From 'Anti-Administration Activists' (cnn.com)
PopeRatzo shares a report from CNN: Trump administration lawyers are demanding the private account information of potentially thousands of Facebook users in three separate search warrants served on the social media giant, according to court documents obtained by CNN. The warrants specifically target the accounts of three Facebook users who are described by their attorneys as "anti-administration activists who have spoken out at organized events, and who are generally very critical of this administration's policies." One of those users, Emmelia Talarico, operated the disruptj20 page where Inauguration Day protests were organized and discussed; the page was visited by an estimated 6,000 users whose identities the government would have access to if Facebook hands over the information sought in the search warrants. In court filings, Talarico says if her account information was given to the government, officials would have access to her "personal passwords, security questions and answers, and credit card information," plus "the private lists of invitees and attendees to multiple political events sponsored by the page."
Trump must have watched the Catalan news reports and said... Can I do that?
This just isn't right. If they are seeking the ID of people who posed actual physical threats, or were involved in UNLAWFUL activity (such as genuine libel, inciting riots, participating in violence or riots, etc), that might be justified.
Being caught up in an ID disclosure just because one visited a web site or Facebook page goes well beyond what could possibly necessary.
More info needed, especially when it is a CNN article.
The Trump Administration is evil. I suppose I am now a target.
If what you're resisting is respect for people of other races, that makes you racist.
If what you're resisting is racism, that makes you not racist.
What you appear to be doing is playing word games, because it's easier to be right when you control all the words. But resisting bad things is good, and resisting good things can be bad.
Step away from the words and start working on the concepts.
Why exactly would FB have Talarico's credit card information in the first place? Is FB not free anymore?
I do not belong to the church of the lowercase 'i'
>"What you appear to be doing is playing word games, because it's easier to be right when you control all the words. But resisting bad things is good, and resisting good things can be bad."
"Bad" and "Good" are very relative, subjective, and even flexible. Apparently the mode du jur is to do bad things in the [often wrong] belief that it is for good. I was taught that two wrongs don't make a right.
Some of us deplored government overreach under the previous administration, and still deplore it under the current administration.
What part of the Constitution says that?
This president not only hasn't read the constitution, but wouldn't care even if had, and he's made that clear. Show me where the is a violent crime or public threat to people's physical safety, and perhaps I'll consider, But this is simply a witch hunt for anyone who speaks out openly against the Trump administration. American was supposed to be a place where people political opinion and protests were supposed to be allowed without government intimidation. A government elected by the people (which the electoral college vote is not I might add). This is as bad as the McCarthy days. Every time this president does something that is in violation to the constitution, there should be a vote in congress to impeach him. But of course that won't happen, until this president embarrasses this country and his party so badly that we are in danger of being cut off from the world. (Which given his UN performance, I wouldn't rule out). I suspect Facebook and other IT organizations will resist this. Perhaps Twitter should consider censoring his statements. Technically a constitutional violation as well, but ...this "twit" can do far more damage than anyone posting on Twitter of Facebook single handed.
I'll fucking beat your punk nazi ass if you compare white supremacy to free speech again, bitch
Some of us deplored government overreach under the previous administration, and still deplore it under the current administration.
The difference is that now you're willing to speak about it publicly.
When we used to hold the Soviet Union up to the light, we'd point to their jailing and beating and disappearances of dissidents and say "The USSR is a police state!"
Nothing's changed here except the geography. These tactics are still police state tactics, no matter which dictator-wannabe is practicing them.
John
There seems to be no problem with tech disclosures as long as it hits conservatives.
"Forget the engineers." -Carly Fiorina, briber of MIT Technology Review.
Some of us have been complaining loudly for years and have been told to "shut up" because we have roads, education, and everything's fine.
There is a difference between resisting taxation because you don't like Obama and resisting the government trying to deport your family or take away the healthcare that is keeping you alive.
This kind of false equivalence argument is the new favourite of the far right. "Yes we are bad, but they are the same and you are a hypocrite for not acknowledging that".
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
The con artist has repeatedly praised his buddy Putin at every opportunity, even going so far as to apologize for Putin's military deliberately bombing hospitals and civilians in Syria, and Russia's support for the dictator Assad.
It is well known Putin doesn't like or tolerate dissent. In Crimea, which Russia stole from the Ukraine, Russia troops went door to door in the Tartar community and rounded up anyone who spoke out against the takeover. They shut down Tartar schools and the only Tartar radio station, and forbid the teaching of the Tartar language. Just recently, Russia jailed a Tartar leader because he led protests against the Russian invasion of Crimea.
Witness now in the U.S. what the con artist is trying to do. His fragile ego can't stand anyone saying a single bad word about him and so he does this. He's only following the lead of his buddy Putin.
That using the power of the government to go after people who exercise their First Amendment rights should even be an issue speaks volumes about this administration.
I try not to get too political.
You mean to say, that you try to cover yourself with a pretense of being "not too political" in order to give a false air of legitimacy to your faux grievances?
However, I can't help but notice how it's now "your civic duty" to "resist" and generally disparage the government.
Ah, picking up the messaging of the right-wing that carried over from Reagan, huh?
Questioning their authority has long been a problem of the right-wing conservative branch. They were even worse when beating the anti-Communist drum. There's a reason why McCarthy ran rampant.
Prior to January 20, 2017, that meant you were a racist deplorable scumbag.
When you embrace Cliven Bundy, Phil Robertson, Joe Arpaio and the birther-in-chief himself, Donald Trump, does that not make you one of their racist brotherhood? I mean, it isn't like you are giving them like the love to a leper victim, you were shouting your devotion in chorus.
Still are. You can't even let NFL players kneel in protest without having a fit. You'd probably explode if they used the Black Power Salute.
Journalists were being tossed in the pokey, phones were being tapped to find "leakers", etc. Apparently, now that's all just police state tactics.
Yeah, sorry, Fox News tried that already.
The real question is, why are you so suddenly supportive of the "police" state you allegedly deplored, why do you demand everybody march to the orders of your glorious leader, why do you insist so vehemently that everything is going well and that you should get all the credit for it?
Either the First Amendment applies to all of us or it applies to none of us. If you can pick and choose who gets to voice their opinion, then we've all already lost.
"Tell me doctor, with all of your defenses, are there any provisions for an attack by killer bees?"
Bashing random peoples heads in is not protected speech. I knew very well I would get modded down for my post, because of blind people like you. It wasn't long ago a bunch of Antifa thugs beat some up for having a genetic defect that prevented him from growing hair.
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Considering Liberals and ANTIFA would NEVER allow it to be built without Blowing it up, or some other act of TERRORISM, I'm not worried...
The organizers of #disruptj20 were caught, on camera, planning various attacks on people attending the inaugural ball, including the part where they wanted to use butyric acid in the A/C systems to cause everyone to panic and evacuate into the crowd of protesters outside.
So they're investigating a crime here, not searching randomly for people "critical" of the administration.
Are they investigating "bashing random peoples heads in" or are they "demanding the private account information of potentially thousands of Facebook users in three separate search warrants"? Those are two very different conversations and you really need to make up your mind which one you want to talk about.
"Tell me doctor, with all of your defenses, are there any provisions for an attack by killer bees?"
None, because my statement didn't quote it... Violence against Free Speech is Pathetic. I don't need the constitution to tell me that. If YOU do... YOU are whats wrong with America.
Nope same difference.
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Those who defend those who attack one of the most Valued Freedoms in the Known world.... Are The enemies of Everything America Stands for.
Look up purity ponies. Plenty idiots on the left think Obama/Clinton are as bad as Trump.
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
That fact that a CNN article is on the front page of Slashdot says a lot. Eating it up without question just shows people here have no clue what's going down in this country.
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The ONLY reason you aren't living in the Reich TODAY, is because of Men Like MY Grandfather, who has a purple heart AND medal of honor for his service in World War 2... My Family Killed Nazis BEFORE YOU WERE BORN ... Punk!
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Trump administration lawyers are demanding the private account information of potentially thousands of Facebook users in three separate search warrants served on the social media giant, according to court documents obtained by CNN.
"Trump Administration Lawyers?" Can legal counsel to the President obtain search warrants? DoJ lawyers maybe, but not Trump Admin flacks I don't think. CNN and their weasel-wordy ways!
They're demanding all the information of people who had direct participation in an account integral in setting up riots during the inauguration. They will then cross reference this information with all the people they arrested and charge any successful hits with conspiracy as well as the other charges they're up on.
There's enormous evidence for it. His positions on Muslims, Mexicans, black football protestors, and refusal to denounce white power marches are all strong evidence that he's a racist.
What you mean is that there's no proof. And you're right. It is 100% impossible to prove someone is a racist. Even if they say, "I'm a racist," they could be lying.
I think the word racist is used too often when describing his supporters. But that doesn't mean there's not strong evidence that he, himself, is a racist.
Except for the fact that about 1/3 of them are Veterans... do you think Before or After you babble Bullshit?
I'm as IRISH as they come fukstik... And ANTIFA Threatening everyone CERTAINLY isn't protected speech. But you all seem to want to give them a PASS on that. When they crack open a camera-mans Skull with a bike lock for not agreeing with them, or Attacking 60 year old women, and the THOUSANDS of other examples I could give. ANTIFA and Their TROLLS, display some of the MOST unpatriotic, Pathetic, UNAMERICAN behavior I have seen in my 40 years on the planet. They have you drinking the kool-aid. Clearly. FYI, millennials have never SEEN a war. So how, pray-tell could they have fought in one? LOL (A Few Liberal Maybe, but typically they are the conscientious objectors... At least as far as history is concerned.)
In the halls of justice, the only justice is in the halls - Lenny Bruce (1923 - 1966)
I note that you conveniently leave out the part where #disruptj20 was caught on camera plotting to attack people at the inaugural ball? Or how they planned to chain trains and otherwise shut down DC? Have we forgotten about violent assaults like the woman whose hair was lit on fire?
They're investigating all of the people who were plotting violent attacks, including the planned release of butyric acid into the ventilation systems of the ball. Oh, that's just a "stink bomb" you say, but c'mon, really? You expect people to identify which acid they're breathing in and not be forced to evacuate the building into a pile of police and protesters on a freezing cold day?
Sorry, but this is a criminal act that they're investigating. They're allowed to find out who was involved in it and given that #disruptj20 was criminal, they have reasonable suspicion to look at anyone involved. You don't get to plot crimes and then complain because the police are investigating. They're going after #disruptj20 because the leaders of it were caught planning criminal activity, not because they criticized the president.
The people who tried to attack others at the inauguration knew or should've known what they were getting into.
Anyone who disagrees with me is Russian, so I don't have to answer their points. Time to lament how we live in a post-fact world, that's another good way to avoid dealing with inconvenient facts.
> The gov't should investigate people based on their threat risk
Why do you think they aren't?
Here's video evidence of some of the crimes #disruptj20 was plotting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHZSfhd1X_8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIjbkYLI1nY
And here is one of those 'peaceful protesters' at the inauguration lighting a lady's hair on fire:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY5WTDgV4ik
There's no reason for society to pick & choose, they should arrest ALL people plotting or performing violent acts.
And by "involved", you mean everyone who ever looked at their Facebook page?
You're citing Project Veritas videos as evidence, dude. How many times do you need James O'Keefe to be exposed as a fraudster before you'll learn?
You are welcome on my lawn.
Oh yeah, fuck that dude. I tried watching Project Veritas back before the election (in the spirit of seeking multiple viewpoints), only to find it very choppy and... long on insinuations, short on substance. Very manipulative.
-1, Too Many Layers Of Abstraction
A product of the 'department for generating ironic department names?'
Requiem for the American Dream
If they are investigating a criminal act and have evidence for several plots, why don't they just get a warrant? Why ask Facebook for something that a judge can compel them to provide? Maybe the Justice Department doesn't know how warrants work?
> And by "involved", you mean everyone who ever looked at their Facebook page?
No, everyone who decided to "like" it. That's literally the first line of the first link you posted, telling us that 6,000 people apparently like endangering lots of people by putting acid into ventilation systems and whatnot.
> You're citing Project Veritas videos as evidence, dude.
And you're leaving out the full story, once again. They have people on video, that's enough for police to investigate. It'll be pretty damned clear whether they were actually preparing or not once they investigate.
> If only the second line of the summary said "search warrant" ... Oh wait, it does
This is Slashdot. A few posts up, you'll find that even the submitter didn't bother read any of this stuff.
Why do you hate freedom? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Less racist than Black Lives Matter, whose name is an explicit statement of racism and black supremacism.
Some here seem to miss the very important point that the simple words "Black Lives Matter" does nothing to indicate that any other color of life does not matter equally. Yes there are certainly those who take up the banner and misuse the concept. But the concept is fundamentally correct. To argue against the words Black Lives Matter is the same as agreeing with the prejudiced assholes in Newfoundland where the popular theme is that they dealt with their uppity native Indians long ago and they were nothing but a useless bunch of trouble makers anyway as many who live there are still lead to believe. Same thing in British Columbia where many belittle the Carrier Indians to this day and call them nothing but a "useless bunch of horse and cattle thieves". Yes prejudice is rampant and the US is not alone but it can be exposed for what it is and eventually become socially unacceptable the same way eventually misogyny will.
The truth is the lives of all races of people matter and the fact is that there are still a huge number of closet racists in the US that believe as Wallace did in "segregation now and segregation forever!" This fact creates the need for greater awareness of how fucked up the US is especially each time some racist dick head like Zimmerman in Florida gets away with murdering an innocent black.
No it is plain and simple the US is screwed by prejudice and the fact that a simple conceptual truth using the words "Black Lives Matter" can be twisted by racists to mean something other than what the words say speaks volumes about how twisted these KKK wanta bee assholes really are including a quite a few who wield power. Notice how quiet David Duke is right now, there is a reason. There are enough idiots hard at work putting forth the racist agenda that he can sit back and work on his political base in the shadows. Yes there are those within BLM who disgrace the memory of Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks, but the concept of Black Lives Matter is a truth and to a great many in the US a truth that burns very deeply indeed.
This message was not sent from an iPhone because Peter Sellers really was a deviated prevert without a dime for the call
I am not now a supporter of National Socialism, nor have I ever been, Mr. Mcarthy. And I don't have a Facebook account, either. I also detest the brownshirt types, like the terrorist group Antifa, who go around preemptively physically assaulting anyone who has a differing opinion. Not to mention the idiot racists often found on Slashdot.
I also know the various elements of conspiracy. It's reasonable to say that liking the Facebook page itself shouldn't be illegal, even if there might be a technical argument about trying to recruit people to an attempt to cause a violent riot. But it's not unreasonable to say that the police can't even investigate the people who publicly expressed support for an attempt at causing a riot. That's cause enough to investigate and see just what they were plotting and what steps they actually took to move forward with the conspiracy.
So in the end, I merely believe that we shouldn't prevent the police from investigating people who conspired to commit violent crimes. It's funny how agitated you get at the idea of that.
I guess that means you never saw the congressional investigation into Planned Parenthood that vindicated them, or the fact that full, unedited videos were received and reviewed by all committee members?
Clearly debunked! Nothing to see here, Citizen! Move along now. You'll have to ask CNN's Chris Cuomo for permission to look at real news. The media is special, they have more rights than you do. He's an attorney, he should know!
Such persuasive eloquence!
Do you suppose the Soviets publicized their abuses in Pravda?
That video by the discredited "Veritas Project" has been debunked. It was misleadingly edited.
In any case, it's it reasonable to then go after everyone who read anything associated with this person?
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"it has been debunked". Sure. Convenient you leave no source to said debunking. So thoroughly debunked, Robert Creamer had to resign after Project Veritas exposed him : http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/18/...
Even CNN had to report on it. "Debunked" means "It was factual, but I hate it" to some of you people.
"Not to mention all the idiots who use words like boxen."
Anonymous Coward on Monday August 04, @06:49PM
If you don't want to be deported, there's an easy way : Don't enter the country illegally and while if in said country illegally, don't commit a felony.
Otherwise, you absolutely should be deported, and resisting being deported after committing a crime should be ridiculed, not lauded and praised.
Or are you actually just resisting Law and Order ? Would you prefer to live in anarchy ? I don't think you'd like actual anarchy.
"Not to mention all the idiots who use words like boxen."
Anonymous Coward on Monday August 04, @06:49PM
Where is the original, unedited video? If they have nothing to hide then there is no problem posting it for us to examine.
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That response made no sense... Smoke more crack. It seems to be working.
Didn't Social Justice Warriors tell us that "Just because speech is free does not mean that it should be free of consequences". Now this chick is bitching about potential consequences of her own speech. Cry me a river!
Most of these fools are engaged in terrorism. They are unwilling to tolerate people they disagree with so they challenge states monopoly on violence to achieve their political objectives. Of course this or any government is going to go after them.
Would those of you who modded this down care to explain yourselves? Are you condoning violence as a means to an end? Do you disagree with my definition of terrorism? Do you think there is insufficient evidence to support violence? YouTube video exist of these same people in their own words plotting to use violence to shut down metro system and "throat punching" others.
Where is the original, unedited video? If they have nothing to hide then there is no problem posting it for us to examine.
From reading your reply, I am now still unconvinced the Veritas stuff is debunked, as you have provided no debunking yet. Also, do you ask CNN for unedited material too ? Or do you just take their stuff at face value.
"Not to mention all the idiots who use words like boxen."
Anonymous Coward on Monday August 04, @06:49PM
because it's easier to be right when you control all the words.
funny you bring that up because that is EXACTLY what the left is doing with words like "racism" in todays climate. racism has a pretty simple definition, however today you wouldnt know it, because anything they dont like = racism today
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
His positions on Muslims,
muslim isnt a racie.
Mexicans,
context matters. has he called out all mexicans? no, he didnt. he even sent aid after the earthquakes
black football protestors,
did he call them out by race? or are YOU applying race to the equation? Pretty sure he never said a word about race
and refusal to denounce white power marches are all strong evidence that he's a racist.
he has denounced them 1000 times over so far, if you didnt hear that, blame your prefered media company for neglecting to give you the truth
in short, the man who was awarded the NAACP award and loved by the black community until 2015 is not in fact racist like you people keep claiming
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
exactly. taxes are theft, thats a legit reason to resit.
if you are here illegally, you have no legit reason to resit deportation because those are the rules, you broke them, and now you live with the consequences of your actions.
if i have something i shouldnt have on me (look at my name) and get stopped by the cops, i dont argue that it shouldnt matter because its wrong, i pay the fine, i knew it might happen and i made the decision on my own, therefore i live with the consequences if i get caught.
same goes with people here illegally
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
you have all your talking points down so ill simply tackle one.
it wasnt trump who started with the birther movement, it was hillary when she was trying to beat obama for the dem nomination in 08.
if the left didnt lie all the time, they wouldnt have anything to say ever
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
Since no one has "exposed" Antifa for terrorists, given that they have never initiated violence and have never murdered anyone, (Which your friends have done)
Seriously chump, you make yourself look the liar this way.
Project Veritas has been prosecuted in civil court and paid a$100,000 Judgement.
This ever happen to their victims?
Completely debunked
Yeah, project Veritas is so clean their "documentarians" were indicted for criminal forgery and are waiting civil trial for fraud and libel
His point is to lie, to make a false equivalence to save his nazi loving friends from real law enforcement.
Actually, no, nothing like that ever happened to me before Obamacare. And now that I live abroad, I have gold-plated health insurance for a fraction of the cost of my former worthless Obamacare coverage.
But thank you for your concern and compassion. Fake-progressives really do care about their fellow man.
Because before Obamacare, my coverage through Kaiser was way, way better and also somewhat cheaper.
But hey, cling to the patently false narrative you were fed by the capitalist news media. It's makes you look smart!
Oh yes, one of the medigreed professionals did give me the option of going $10,000 into debt - i.e. instant bankruptcy - just to get diagnosed. Glad I didn't do that.
Here in HCMC, a doc at the best most super expensive hospital in town was able to diagnose the issue for $158, including tests.
But hey, thanks for your concern and compassion. Fake-progressive running dogs really are the best people!
BTW... My issues were a bicycle crash and complications thereof. What's needed was an x-ray and physical therapy, not painkillers.
Otoh, for my pill-popping opiate-addled hypochondriac former colleague in San Francisco, Obamacare has been a dream come true.
But hey man, keep on lying to yourself and others.
Project Veritas, fraudulent election videos debunked.
Enjoy
Thanks. I forgot you can debunk 90% of this stuff just but googling "thing + snopes".
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AND, don't forget to cross check.
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