According To Star Trek: Discovery, Starfleet Still Runs Microsoft Windows (theverge.com)

AmiMoJo shares a report from The Verge: The third episode of Star Trek: Discovery aired this week, and at one point in the episode, Sonequa Martin-Green's Michael Burnham is tasked with reconciling two suites of code. In the show, Burnham claims the code is confusing because it deals with quantum astrophysics, biochemistry, and gene expression. And while the episode later reveals that it's related to the USS Discovery's experimental new mycelial network transportation system, Twitter user Rob Graham noted the code itself is a little more pedestrian in nature. More specifically, it seems to be decompiled code for the infamous Stuxnet virus, developed by the United States to attack Iranian computers running Windows.

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Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[physburn]

Who wants windows to managed their antimatter.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[Austerity Empowers]

I don't want it to manage the turbolifts or even whatever they use for toilets. If the best the federation has is Windows, I'm joining up with the Romulans.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't want it to manage the turbolifts or even whatever they use for toilets. If the best the federation has is Windows, I'm joining up with the Romulans.

Closed environment?

Smug sense of superiority?

Apple!

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[Oswald McWeany]

Who wants windows to managed their antimatter.

What's worse... if Windows manages their computer; Cortana (aka Clippy 2) is probably the voice control controlling the computers. That bitch cortana is who my grand kids will have to talk to if they want their "Tea, Earl Grey, Hot". This makes me sad.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[zifn4b]

Who wants windows to managed their antimatter.

The antimatter containment chamber has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[jfdavis668]

This makes a core dump a much more exciting event.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[jfdavis668]

Romulans are still using OS/2.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[AmiMoJo]

The ship's computer seems to have gone through some fairly drastic changes over the years.

Enterprise: No voice interface, apparently people got fed up with Alexa and Siri by the next century.

Discovery: Young female voice borrowed from an early 21st century sat-nav.

Original Series: Lost her voice again, people finally realized that touch interfaces and transparent screens are dumb and reverted to good old reliable 12V bulbs and switches.

Next Generation: The computer is a bit older and wiser now, and everything reverted to flat screens and touch panels.

Deep Space 9: CRTs are back in fashion, complete with curved display.

Voyager: Why does the ship even need people any more?

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[Anonymous Coward]

if it works, don't mess with it.

Go ahead, hack OS/2, I want to see you try.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[jellomizer]

Hey it is 200 years in the future. We should have by then what the sales people promised us for Windows 95.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[jellomizer]

Hey even in Voyager they realized the good old buttons and switches were a good thing. But it seems that these touch panels in the TNG-Voyager day, seems to offer some low level force fields so the operator can feel something. (In the voyager alternate reality (one of them)) where Tuvok was blind, so he enable tactile controls.)

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[nomadic]

It's not really Star Trek unless those consoles blow up constantly, killing their operators.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[fuzznutz]

Hey it is 200 years in the future. We should have by then what the sales people promised us for Windows 95.

C'mon this is supposed to be the bright future. Maybe they have the bugs worked out of Windows 10 by then. Now that I think about it, CBS and Microsoft missed a golden opportunity for marketing synergy. They could rebrand Windows 10 Enterprise, to Windows 10 Discovery

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[Anonymous Coward]

DS9 gets a pass. That was a Kardashian station so it had whatever was hip at the time. Yes, I know, Cardassians.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[AmiMoJo]

Why do starship designers love to route plasma conduits behind control panels?

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[knightghost]

I'd like to see how much China paid CBS for the show. The entire pilot was a propaganda piece.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[The Grassy Knoll]

"Cannot convert matter to anti-matter. It is already in use by another object."

Meh.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[NicknameUnavailable]

Why do starship designers love to route plasma conduits behind control panels?

Collusion with the Romulan Star Empire.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[NicknameUnavailable]

C'mon this is supposed to be the bright future. Maybe they have the bugs worked out of Windows 10 by then. Now that I think about it, CBS and Microsoft missed a golden opportunity for marketing synergy. They could rebrand Windows 10 Enterprise, to Windows 10 Discovery

That's like saying "maybe beetles, worms, and flies will have the bugs worked out by then." You can't work a bug out when the thing is the bug.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[BronsCon]

Yeah, for their Warp Drive controllers.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[TechnoWeenie]

Maybe this explains all the problems with the holodeck on TNG

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[Dracos]

That was a Kardashian station so it had whatever was hip at the time.

That was a Kardashian station so it had whatever was ass at the time.

FTFY.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[DontBeAMoran]

We are the Bug. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your food and carbohydrates to our own. Your farming will adapt to service us. Bug spray is futile.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[perpenso]

Why do starship designers love to route plasma conduits behind control panels?

They need the power, there is a background task mining federation coins.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[cayenne8]

Huh? They talked to the computer all the time on TOS.

It had that ethereal, echoey female monotone voice: "Wor-king... in-suf-fic-ient da-ta to com-pute..."

If I recall...that was the same voice that did Nurse Chapel.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[northerner]

>appears to be decompiled code for the infamous Stuxnet virus

And the code is apparently used for the controllers in the centrifuges used for Warp drive anti-matter purification.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[TimSchutte]

. . .And I'll be damned if I'll pay extra to CBS' streaming service to watch it!

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[cb88]

Why else would that TurboLift have been chomping that leg/boot like no tomorrow... I wouldn't even be supprised if it was a Borland TurboLift.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[cb88]

The Q run Perl on QNX.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[Oswald McWeany]

. . .And I'll be damned if I'll pay extra to CBS' streaming service to watch it!

Have to agree...

I'd absolutely watch this if it were on Netflix, Amazon, or Hulu. I refuse to pay for CBS service though. Two reasons:

1) I don't want to pay more when I have so many shows I haven't seen on the other networks.
2) The principle. Paying for CBS service helps support the splintering of streamed TV online. If I pay- that partially contributes to the potential success of CBS's experiment. If CBS is successful then every other network is going to follow the same model. Eventually you'll end up with a dozen different streaming sites all wanting $x a month and end up paying the same as cable.

Anyone paying for CBS to watch this is doing the rest of us a massive disservice.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[NicknameUnavailable]

Anyone paying for CBS to watch this is doing the rest of us a massive disservice.

You mean I get to piss off nerds WHILE WATCHING STARTREK? Sign me up.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[slickwillie]

"The Ferengi run red hat enterprise." I'll bet the bastards didn't pay for it.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[Oswald McWeany]

Anyone paying for CBS to watch this is doing the rest of us a massive disservice.

You mean I get to piss off nerds WHILE WATCHING STARTREK? Sign me up.

Not just nerds... everyone. We all stand to lose out if every network decides to charge $7 a month to view their stuff. If all the networks pull their old stuff off Netflix, Amazon and Hulu and set up their own to-pay site. You either have a lot less choice- or pay a lot more money. If CBS is successful in this all the networks will do something similar.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[fahrbot-bot]

Hey even in Voyager they realized the good old buttons and switches were a good thing.

On the other hand... From Rick and Morty, Season 3, Episode 1: The Rickshank Rickdemption:

Teleportation Worker Rick: Hey, whoa, whoa! What are you doing in here? This area's for teleporting the entire Citadel to somewhere else using only buttons and dials.

Commander in Chief Rick/Rick: Yeah, well, it's a bad idea to have it designed that way then, isn't it?

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[ConceptJunkie]

I read somewhere, can't provide a link, that before she passed away, Majel Barrett made comprehensive records so they could synthesize a computer voice using her voice in the future. It's a cool idea, if true. She always did the computer voice great.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[93 Escort Wagon]

The Bajorans run GNU/HURD.

Good to hear it'll finally be ready in the 2300's.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[PCM2]

Original Series: Lost her voice again

That's not true. The computer spoke in ToS, maybe just not in every episode. Remember it saying things like "Working!" and "Affirmative!" in that grating, obnoxious voice?

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[jemmyw]

you could move out of the USA. The It's being shown on Netflix here.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[jwhyche]

The antimatter containment chamber has performed an illegal operation ....

fixed it for you.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[AmiMoJo]

Even the Federation ships had a downgrade though. Look at the screens in the runnabouts.

They switched from using backlit static panels and compositing to using live displays on CRTs. For some reason they didn't bother with flat CRTs though, even though they were available at the time. Probably due to cost.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[NicknameUnavailable]

It'll pass, there's a fixed amount people can spend on entertainment so they will end up stepping on eachother's toes at some price point, then they will start competing with eachother on price.

Things don't get cheaper, they get more expensive and inflation goes up, but this part is already priced in - what people were paying for cable is what it will level out at.

The issue was allowing poor people to have disposable income, there's not putting genie back in the bottle.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[Oswald McWeany]

you could move out of the USA. The It's being shown on Netflix here.

I could... but then I would pay double income tax. I got my US citizenship a few years ago before learning that the US is the only country in the world that collects income tax from citizens who emigrate. If I moved back to Europe I'd pay my income taxes there and then my US income taxes on top of that. Would have to be a huge pay raise to cover the double taxation.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[Oswald McWeany]

It'll pass, there's a fixed amount people can spend on entertainment so they will end up stepping on eachother's toes at some price point, then they will start competing with eachother on price.

Things don't get cheaper, they get more expensive and inflation goes up, but this part is already priced in - what people were paying for cable is what it will level out at.

The issue was allowing poor people to have disposable income, there's not putting genie back in the bottle.

I hope so, but I'm not optimistic. Look at what happened to cable prices. I think a lot of people that still have cable are paying upwards of $100 a month. I'm baffled why anyone would spend that much to watch TV, but the cable companies manage to convince some people to pay that much. I think if cable companies can extract that much- the individual streaming services might be hoping to get a significant chunk of that cash from the cord cutters.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[SandWyrm]

I have yet to see anyone invent a flat cathode ray tube (CRT) display. :P

The Federation obviously uses absurdly high-power plasma display panels though, since they're always blowing up at the least little thing.

 

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[Hognoxious]

If I moved back to Europe I'd pay my income taxes there and then my US income taxes on top of that.

You sure about that?

http://www.ustaxfs.com/individ...

"The US will give credit for foreign taxes paid, however, they will only give credit against income up to the amount of taxes you would pay for US tax purposes."

While I'm sure it's more complicated than that (especially if you have income from property and stuff), it looks like you pay UK tax if that's higher. If UK tax was lower the US would tax you the difference.

I suspect it's the same for most other countries.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[Oswald McWeany]

If I moved back to Europe I'd pay my income taxes there and then my US income taxes on top of that.

You sure about that?

http://www.ustaxfs.com/individ...

"The US will give credit for foreign taxes paid, however, they will only give credit against income up to the amount of taxes you would pay for US tax purposes."

While I'm sure it's more complicated than that (especially if you have income from property and stuff), it looks like you pay UK tax if that's higher. If UK tax was lower the US would tax you the difference.

I suspect it's the same for most other countries.

I'm not an expert on international tax law; however how I recall it works is this (I could be wrong):

1) Yes, the US will let you just pay UK income tax if you're making a low wage- and the first umpteen thousand £ you don't have to pay double taxes on.
2) Anything above that first umpteen thousand £ the US government WILL come after you for.

If you're not earning much. Early in your career, or just never climbed the ladder much, you won't pay double taxes. If you're doing a little bit better than average on up- you get both countries milking you.... now I could be wrong and the UK have a better agreement with the US than other countries- but I believe that's how it works most places.

The US is one of the countries that will allow you to revoke your citizenship; however, it costs money, and it's considered illegal to revoke your citizenship just to avoid taxes.

Re:Blue Screen of Antimatter containment failure

[Hognoxious]

Yes, the US will let you just pay UK income tax if you're making a low wage- and the first umpteen thousand £ you don't have to pay double taxes on.

Not my interpretation, but there you go.

You can get an exemption on the first 100k. Hardly low wage.

https://www.taxesforexpats.com...

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[NicknameUnavailable]

I have basic cable because it was cheaper (they were the only source of internet for me aside from super slow satellite providers.) The only use of it I make is sometimes logging in to stream something on Fox (though CBS not allowing this for my provider is absurd because CBS is included with the basic package.) I think it's like $70/mo for the internet connection and I probably do another $300/mo on movies, binge watching shows, etc mostly via Amazon. Definitely paying more than a full $175 cable package (for my area) but it's still much higher quality content, I don't need 500 channels I'll never watch and my schedule doesn't allow me to sit down at the same time every week to catch something (regardless of whenever that time might be.)

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[itamihn]

What is with the huge banner that Slashdot lately has? Worse yet, it's floating and moves with scrolling, making it impossible to read anything on a short window. Will Slashdot finally be the site that makes me use adblocking software?

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[supremebob]

Hell, even this post feels like an ad for the new Star Trek show.

I thought that the majority of Slashdot users decided that they weren't going to watch this show when they made it exclusive to CBS's new streaming service?

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[AmiMoJo]

Was kind of hoping for some interesting discussion about the show. It's very different... The captain from the first two episodes was a model Starfleet officer, trying to avoid conflict and do the right thing. Now we are getting echos of Section 31 and doing what it takes to win the war.

The Federation itself perhaps has not reached that level yet. Life imprisonment doesn't sound very enlightened, especially when the crime was largely poor decision making. Of course, in reality she was actually correct and the Klingons would have started the war no matter what, but the court didn't know that. Had she succeeded in destroying that ship the war might actually have been averted.

Star Trek usually considers the moral and philosophical implications of choices, but so far there has been very little of that in Discover. Okay, we are only 3 episodes in so probably too early to judge.

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[Baron_Yam]

>Star Trek usually considers the moral and philosophical implications of choices, but so far there has been very little of that in Discover

That would be science fiction. CBS isn't in the sci-fi business. Hell, they're not even in the 'sci-fi veneer on something else' business. They're mainly in the 'procedurals with some action for the over 40 crowd' business.

They really ought to have sold off the Star Trek TV rights, it's not in their wheelhouse.

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[Kiuas]

It's very different... The captain from the first two episodes was a model Starfleet officer, trying to avoid conflict and do the right thing. Now we are getting echos of Section 31 and doing what it takes to win the war.

You're right that it's different, but there's also an issue with the main character that bugs me which is that she's got a way too broad range of skills based on the first episodes. Like just as an example in the 2 first episodes she twice beat a Klingon warrior in single combat while having no previous experience of fighting them, and being smaller. I get that the show wants to emphasize that she's a supergenius and raised by the Vulcans in science and martial arts, but still, I was expecting her character to be a modern take on Spock, not a deadly warrior-princess archetype that goes around instantly kicking everyone's ass. Really the ending of the 2nd episode was a really big blunder in my view from the point of view of writing. I mean, she first tells the captain that they should seek to capture the Klingon leader not kill him so as to not make him a martyr. Okay, makes sense. How do the plan to do it? By beaming to the klingon ship with no backup, just the 2 of them with phasers, 2 women against a shipload of gigantic space Mongol-superwarriors, and then when the captain is killed, instead of doing the logical thing which is retreating hell out of there, she violates her own advice and shoots the Klingon captain dead, essentially causing their mission to be a total failure while also making the death of her captain counter-productive. From a story point of view how're we supposed to feel that she's ever in any danger when she's already demonstrated in the first few episodes that no matter what she's up against and with how little previous experience, she'll get through just fine.

I mean, I get that they're playing round with the notion that she's not a Vulcan so her emotions do take over from time to time, that's ool, and that can function as a neat narrative device, however it's really rather annoying to watch a character that's supposed to be like the smartest person in the whole of Starfeet give out advice on what to do, and then violate her own advice 5 minutes later. Likewise in the beginning she goes to have a look at an unknown artifact that they have no scans on and no idea how hostile it is and instead of doing a flyby like she was instructed, she instantly goes 'wow, this is pretty, I'm going to land on it', runs into a Klingon and kills him in 5 seconds. Is this the Vulcan approach? Is this what Spock would have done? Is this the kind of discipline the Vulcan academy teaches to their students?

That being said, I think the show can still go into a good direction, we'll need to wait and see. So far it's a tad too much like the Abrams films, which is to say that it looks neat and has a lot of action that probably appeals to a larger audience, but it doesn't feel very Trekky to me yet.

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[Baron_Yam]

> the main character that bugs me which is that she's got a way too broad range of skills

That is standard for Trek. They give lip service to specialization, but when you get down to it the lead character always knows what the technical people are doing and can micromanage them if they're not actually just doing it themselves.

> in the 2 first episodes she twice beat a Klingon warrior in single combat while having no previous experience of fighting them, and being smaller.

Modern television. Nobody wants to point out that a petite female has to have far, far superior training plus some luck to take out a large male... physics itself can take a flying leap because nobody's even paying attention to mass, inertia, or leverage in these matchups never mind muscle. Also, since TNG it has been traditional in Trek to beat up a Klingon to show how badass you are.

Trek science is usually only marginally better than what you'd find in a Michael Bay movie.

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[Austerity Empowers]

I thought that the majority of Slashdot users decided that they weren't going to watch this show when they made it exclusive to CBS's new streaming service?

We probably aren't. 100% of my knowledge of this show comes from Slashdot. I'm not stupid enough to pay money for a service that still shoves ads down my throat, particularly for just one show. I'm not interested enough to yoink it. So I live vicariously through marketing astroturf fluff.

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[Austerity Empowers]

They really ought to have sold off the Star Trek TV rights, it's not in their wheelhouse.

Your criticism of CBS may be correct, I don't really have a basis to evaluate it. But I would argue we do not live in a time when the masses will tolerate an idealistic utopian future, the philosophical dilemmas inherent in bringing it about and real people trying to be better than we expect.

We live in a time when pragmatists and self-centered behavior is idolized, when war and violence are seen as ideal tools for solving difficult social problems, and when letting people die because they're not us is ok as long as we don't say it out loud. People acting on idealism are viewed as ridiculous and naive and with utmost contempt. That's not compatible with any of the Star Trek series I've liked.

I guess I don't think we're living in a time when Star Trek could be successful, even if it were holding itself to its ideals. They really should just sell the IP and the new owners should sit on it for a little while, while we wallow in our self-imposed cess pit for a decade or two. After a few decades we're going to realize that pragmatism may not be that great after all.

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[KiloByte]

What is with the huge banner that Slashdot lately has? Worse yet, it's floating and moves with scrolling, making it impossible to read anything on a short window.

Uhm, looks like any other site whatsoever if your browser lacks the basic configuration+extensions?

Seriously, these days it's humanly impossible[1] to browse without blocking ads.

[1]. As in, "impossible without losing your sanity[2]", not "strictly impossible", obviously.
[2]. Ok, Slashdot readers and sanity, uh uh sure sure. But same applies to other websites.

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[itamihn]

I am fine with the ads in most websites. The worst offenders these days are Slashdot with their tall floating banners and Cnet with their autoplaying videos.

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[Baron_Yam]

>I guess I don't think we're living in a time when Star Trek could be successful

I think perhaps you have that backwards. Sure, we're still producing 'gritty/dark', but I think we're on the tail end of that as audiences often want to escape reality and get a taste of something different - which can simply entertain or be inspirational - and the world's been a bit too gritty and dark recently.

I'd say now is actually a great time to start popping out the idealistic stuff, but maybe not quite as simplistic as it used to be. Not every idealist has to be deeply and secretly flawed... but they do have to deal with a realistic world where not everything goes their way just because they're 'fighting the good fight'. (And I'd throw the current MCU Captain America and DC Wonder Woman up as decent examples of this)

A lot of entertainment presents an idealized individual who encounters no serious barriers because everyone more or less falls under the spell of their righteousness in 60 minutes less commercial breaks, and that's just stupid on too many levels to take.

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[zifn4b]

I thought that the majority of Slashdot users decided that they weren't going to watch this show when they made it exclusive to CBS's new streaming service?

Yes, in fact this gives me another reason not to watch it. I don't think I ever will now. For the record, I loved STNG and DS9. It's a shame.

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[Oswald McWeany]

I am fine with the ads in most websites. The worst offenders these days are Slashdot with their tall floating banners and Cnet with their autoplaying videos.

I don't go to CNET anymore because of that... and I've considered cutting out Slashdot. (don't get your hopes up too much though)

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[zifn4b]

We live in a time when pragmatists and self-centered behavior is idolized, when war and violence are seen as ideal tools for solving difficult social problems, and when letting people die because they're not us is ok as long as we don't say it out loud.

So... what you're saying is it would be more accurate to have a Sci-Fi show called Extinction Event. That wouldn't be any fun though because we all know generally what the ending would be...

By the way, idealism won't fix that problem. You must focus not on utopia and ideals but rather on what will avoid the extinction event. The two are not one in the same. Believing they both are is a claim that has no evidence to support it that I'm aware of. But... whatever delusion gets you through the day I suppose.

If you want to make the world a better place, you need to get engaged in problem solving. That was always the idea in Star Trek. There were these social issues, moral and philosophical dilemmas and so forth and what happened is people worked through them together in a problem solving capacity. No one ever said "The world would be much better if it were just like the uber X utopia." It was an exploration of thought to see how far you could push towards ideals. That's where idealists fail. They think they already know what a utopia is and what it would be composed of and everyone who doesn't see it is stupid and/or immoral. It's not a destination. It's an iterative process and we can't realize our true potential if people want to distance themselves from actual problems rather than getting engaged to help solve them.

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[zifn4b]

Like just as an example in the 2 first episodes she twice beat a Klingon warrior in single combat while having no previous experience of fighting them, and being smaller. I get that the show wants to emphasize that she's a supergenius and raised by the Vulcans in science and martial arts, but still, I was expecting her character to be a modern take on Spock, not a deadly warrior-princess archetype that goes around instantly kicking everyone's ass.

It seems like Ronda Rousey would have been the best choice for the role then.

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[cryptolemur]

I'd like to point out that it was petite captain Georgiou who was fighting the klingon, and in the end lost mainly due to the mass/power difference. Burnham shot the klingon from behind to her captain, so differences in mass, power, gender or race did not really have any effect in that regard.

One way to look at the same story is that this allegedly superb Star Fleet officer accidentally killed the klingon she was trying to make contact with, and then in haste shot the klingon she really needed to capture alive. So, instead of being all-powerful, unbeatable hero she actually messed everything up and turned a solvable confrontation into a war.

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[DarkOx]

I hope you are right. I am not sure though. As much as I would like to see "some little children helping their mommies" on TV again I don't see it heading there.

So far the effort seems to be how to go glittery and darker; or how to make the formerly wholesome like "Archie and Veronica" into some dark murder conspiracy. Heck they are supposedly bringing a 'dark' version of "Sabrina the Teenage Witch" to TV.

Now maybe this is Hollywood lagging behind in terms of responding to audience desires. Hopefully that is true, but I kind of doubt it. The name of the game seems to be how to shock them without triggering FCC fines. Look at the shows that had all the buzz this year; some of that is misleading after all things like Award shows are industry circle yerks but still.

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[DarkOx]

I think your memory of Star Trek is a little shaky. The usual formula was:

1) Kirk arrives at some planet and encounters some culture supposedly more primitive than the Federation.

2) Some moral delima is presented, with little real ambiguity in terms of justice, and kinda obvious parallels to our real culture. For example hatred between people who are black on the left and white on right, vs black on the right and white on the left.

3) Kirk gives some lecture about how humanity moved passed all this.

4) A contrived action scene where some red shirted folks die. Nobody will be held responsible ultimately.

5) Kirk somehow either explains how the cultures current path will lead to their total destruction or in some cases threatens to bring it about himself.

6) everyone sings kumbaya

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[theweatherelectric]

I guess I don't think we're living in a time when Star Trek could be successful

Maybe the The Orville will be successful. Even with the comedy aspect to it The Orville is more Star Trek than Star Trek is these days.

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[theweatherelectric]

For the record, I loved STNG and DS9.

Try The Orville.

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[The-Ixian]

I guess I don't think we're living in a time when Star Trek could be successful

Especially when it is closeted away on some branch stream service.

I will watch them someday when/if the series is licensed to Netflix. Until that day, I guess I won't be seeing the new Star Trek... This despite the fact that I am a fan and continue to watch old episodes of TOS, STTNG, DS9 and Voyager several times a week.

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[Baron_Yam]

>As much as I would like to see "some little children helping their mommies" on TV

This fall on NBC - 'Equalizer, Jr."

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[UnknownSoldier]

Midnight's Edge did a fantastic analysis, and Red Letter Media (of Mr. Plinkett Phantom Menace review fame) detailing the LONG list of problems with STD:ADHD. (STOP with the fucking lens flare and visual diarrhea already!)

Like many /.'ers, I grew up with TOS / TNG. The problem with Star Trash: Disaster is that isn't Trek by Alex Kurtzman's own admission:

Alex Kurtzman (executive producer): First and foremost, the defining factor of Roddenberry's vision is the optimistic view of the future and the idea that he envisioned a world where all species, all races came together not only to make our world better, but to make every world better. I think that that's something that can never be lost in Trek. I think once you lose that, you lose the essence of what Star Trek is.

That being said, we live in a very troubled times and every day we look at the news and it's hard. It's hard to see what we see and I think that now more than ever, Trek is needed as a reminder and a buoy for what we can be, the best of who we can be.

That mantle has been given to The Orville which is the spiritual successor to Trek IMHO. Episodes 3 and 4 of the Orville are classic Trek themes.

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[jellomizer]

I have to agree that I am pleasantly surprised about the Orville. A lot of the Low Brow Humor had been toned down, and the stories seem to move well, and are interesting, and the characters are likable. Is it realistic dark and gritty... No, but I don't watch Star Trek for a dark future, but for a fun one. Well managed Camp that we had in TOS, STNG and even in DS9 made the show enjoyable.

The Orville seems to be done with Heart and Love of what Star Trek use to be, While Discovery seems like a money grab, with the Artistic flair to make the Reviewers love it, however it just isn't that engaging as a normal viewer who after a long day at work, wants to watch something to make you feel calm and relaxed.
 

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[UnknownSoldier]

> I guess I don't think we're living in a time when Star Trek could be successful,

Are you talking Financially? Hollywood accounting aside, they made money off the Reboot.

* Star Trek (2019) = $257 million (US) + $385 million (world) - $150 million (budget) = $492 million
* Into Darkness (2013) = $228 million (US), $467 million (world) - $190 million (budget) = $505 million
* Beyond (2016) = $158 million (US), $343 million (world) - $185 million (budget) = $316 million

That said, even though Beyond made money it was considered a flop. It remains doubtful if there will be a sequel -- people are getting tired of STD:ADHD.

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[AmiMoJo]

I've been enjoying The Orville too. I just find it funny that so many people who seem to hate Discovery for the "touchy feely crap" and "forced diversity" seem to love that show.

Last week the away team was three women, a man and a genderless robot. Two of the women had a long conversation about their feelings. There was also a domestic conflict subplot. The week before that it was an all-male society that considered the female gender to be a handicap in need of medical intervention, loads more feels there. Before that it was more domestic conflict when an ex-married couple are forced together in an apartment/zoo, and a female member of the crew has a crisis of confidence that she needs to talk out at length.

In comparison Discovery is very business-like and direct.

I think Discovery could keep with the ideals of Trek. Remember the war in DS9, it was fascinating to see how that kind of enlightened society dealt with a major conflict. Hopefully they will bring the moral issues that made that great into Discovery as time goes on.

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[maelkum]

I will watch them someday when/if the series is licensed to Netflix.

Well, you can start today. Star Trek Discovery already is on Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/pl-en/...

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[CrankyFool]

In countries other than the US and Canada.

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[tbannist]

I've been enjoying The Orville too. I just find it funny that so many people who seem to hate Discovery for the "touchy feely crap" and "forced diversity" seem to love that show.

It's probable that Alex Jones doesn't know about The Orville yet, so they haven't been told that they're supposed to hate it yet.

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[houghi]

Perhaps she went to the Vulcan version of an Online University.

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[Austerity Empowers]

Are you talking Financially?

As I am not a shareholder, I could not care less about that. If your point is that pragmatically financially successful things will keep getting made until they aren't financially successful enough to warrant more investment bucks, you'll get no debate from me, that's fact.

This is all how we run a franchise into the ground. Very similar to how wall street runs corporations into the ground. Unimaginative, but very practical. The next most unimaginative but practical thing is to try to revive a franchise that was previously run into the ground by holding onto the IP for years and then reboot it when you think the moment is ripe. Somewhat higher risk, but people can bound it with some accuracy and make a successful pitch. Still stupid, still unimaginative, but some money can be made. Great for them.

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[freeze128]

...and she was court-martialed for it. Her poor choices led to consequences. I don't see a problem with that. In fact, it's a nice break from previous treks where officers disobey direct orders of a commanding officer, and they don't even get a day in the brig. I guess the ends justify the means a little too much.

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[UnknownSoldier]

Yup, I 100% agree with your analysis about constantly running IP into the ground.

It is sad how "Greed becomes a cancer that destroys everything it touches." :-/

--
Only Cowards Censor

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[UnknownSoldier]

/Oblg. "STD is so bad it isn't even worth pirating!"

Well, I wasn't going to watch either (Yet-Another-Stupid-Paywall) but a friend had CBS access and they _still_ chose to download the torrents so they could watch it across ALL their devices. (Go Figure!) I borrowed their USB stick so I could watch it on my 60" Plasma.

I 99% agree with Midnight's Edge's analysis, and RedLetterMedia's review about STD:ADHD.

If CBS hadn't been trying to leech onto the Star Trek name I think more fans would be wiling to cut it some slack as just another "Sci-Fi" show. But going back and rewriting history is a slap in the face to many fans. This is one of the same reasons Enterprise failed -- show us something NEW _past_ Picard.

It is interesting to note that according to Rotten Tomatoes fans only give it 60% while the spiritual successor to Trek, The Orville has 90%.

--
Censorship is NOT the Solution, it is precisely the Problem.

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[Baron_Yam]

You missed the part where Kirk is held captive, and where Kirk (or on at least two occasions, Spock) seduces a woman,

Also, they didn't sing Kumbaya, McCoy or Kirk made some vaguely racist comment at Spock's expense, Spock would raise an eyebrow, Kirk and the bridge crew would chuckle, and then the end credits would role.

Simpler times, man, simpler times.

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[JackieBrown]

> the main character that bugs me which is that she's got a way too broad range of skills

That is standard for Trek. They give lip service to specialization, but when you get down to it the lead character always knows what the technical people are doing and can micromanage them if they're not actually just doing it themselves

Except for Riker who always got annoyed when the doctors or engineers would go into lengthy technical discussions.

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[Baron_Yam]

ROLE? ROLE? Damn it.

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[JackieBrown]

If CBS hadn't been trying to leech onto the Star Trek name I think more fans would be wiling to cut it some slack as just another "Sci-Fi" show.

This is exactly why I haven't watched it. I read an article the other day about how dark, gritty, and cynical the show is. The article was acting like this was a great thing. That's fine. I loved Farscape which was pretty cynical in nature. Even BSG was great for a good half its run. But they stood on their own so I was cool with whatever tone they wanted to take

SGU is a great example of cashing in yet betraying a franchise. It could have easily been it's own show and I probably would have loved it (or at least liked it.) But taking the stargate franchise into such a bleak, hopeless direction was unacceptable. The way the military was portrayed in the show also changed drastically. To make things worse, the creators of the show had loud disdain for the fans that did not appreciate the change and refused to make any more of SG1 or SGA movies to punish us - I forget how they worded it but basically if we didn't tune in to support SGU, they wouldn't support more SG1 or SGA

DS9 was a good middle ground for star trek. It took things darker without destroying the Trek atmosphere and feel.

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[fahrbot-bot]

Star Trek usually considers the moral and philosophical implications of choices, but so far there has been very little of that in Discover

That would be science fiction. CBS isn't in the sci-fi business. ...

Too true. Furthermore, The Federation is suppose to be a society without money, yet Star Trek: Discovery (STD) is the first Star Trek series we must explicitly pay to watch.

(Note: I'm not paying CBS to watch one show (even if it came with a Happy Meal and a hand-job).)

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[93 Escort Wagon]

I thought that the majority of Slashdot users decided that they weren't going to watch this show when they made it exclusive to CBS's new streaming service?

I've been reading the posts here, and to this point the majority of them aren't related to the new show at all... so I see no conflict.

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[93 Escort Wagon]

You're right that it's different, but there's also an issue with the main character that bugs me which is that she's got a way too broad range of skills based on the first episodes.

This was the problem I had with Voyager as well. I thought Kate Mulgrew did a good acting job with the role was given; but the writers seemed a little too hell-bent on making her the master genius of every discipline known to human-kind.

To be fair, as the show progressed they seemed to move away from that a little bit.

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[yodleboy]

"That mantle has been given to The Orville which is the spiritual successor to Trek IMHO"

Agree. The Orville feels like Trek. But, Trek in the REAL world, where people tell off color jokes and don't take themselves so damn seriously all the time. I don't miss the pontificating, and at least in The Orville it comes in a wrapper of humor.

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[jwhyche]

This Side of Paradise

Best since ever, where Spock beats the living shit out of Kirk.

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[zifn4b]

3) Kirk gives some lecture about how humanity moved passed all this.

So in order to arrive at utopia what we need to do is build a time machine, ask Kirk for a prescription and come back to the present and give it to the masses then?

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[Hognoxious]

I just find it funny that so many people who seem to hate Discovery for the "touchy feely crap" and "forced diversity" seem to love that show.

Could it possibly be because tO is taking the piss out of all that crap, rather than forcing it down our throats for real?

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[maelkum]

It's also available in, for example, Poland (as you can guess from the "pl-en" part of the URL).

In a later episode...

[Anonymous Coward]

the Klingons will travel back in time to destroy mankind and starfleet by inventing Windows...

captcha: compile. really, slashdot?

A Code Day In Hell

[Anonymous Coward]

Many such Easter Eggs here:
https://moviecode.tumblr.com/archive

So the Borg won?

[Anonymous Coward]

Surprise, surprise.

Abort, Retry, Fail?

[Anonymous Coward]

Why ask? It's always "Fail".

Hollywood OS

[iTrawl]

The Federation runs Hollywood OS. It's so advanced that it can run legacy code of the 20th century in a bio-quantum context. If you look closely enough you'll see that it can run a languane known as PerlthonJS (to give an example), which, to the untrained eye, looks only like a random mixture of Perl, Python and JavaScript in one source file.

Re:Hollywood OS

[Anonymous Coward]

It needs more 3D spinning things.

Re:Hollywood OS

[drinkypoo]

I presume it has an interpreter for that.

Did you know that a core feature of the AS/400 is the ability to link together modules from different languages? Maybe they are powered by IBM.

Re:Hollywood OS

[MrKaos]

The Federation runs Hollywood OS. It's so advanced that it can run legacy code of the 20th century in a bio-quantum context.

That maybe so however it is a little to obvious to just presume that Data is running Android, it's more likely that he is running a Beowulf cluster of Rasberry Pis. It's a potentially embarrassing plural but Data won't get offended.

Re:Hollywood OS

[K. S. Kyosuke]

Interstellar Business Machines?

Windows XP runs the warp core

[MrKaos]

Press START to STOP engines.

FATAL EXCEPTION: Warp core dumped!

Re:Windows XP runs the warp core

[thegarbz]

FATAL EXCEPTION: Warp core dumped!

To be fair, depending on your shirt colour the scenario leading up to the warp core being dumped often is quite fatal.

Re:Windows XP runs the warp core

[MrKaos]

It maybe fine for you, but dilithium is a rare source of plot devices in Starfleet, Mister! And the last thing you want is windows update to happen while the ships AI is drawing entropy from quantum fluctuation to randomly rotate shield frequencies to protect from the Borg who use a proprietary GUI over an Operating Systems technology they assimilated.

You might think this is funny however you most certainly DO NOT want Anti-Virus software to start while you are in a transporter and the last thing I want to see before the last thing I see is a blue screen of death while I'm trying to launch a photon torpedo because then we will need the help from those green blooded nerds from Vulcan who all use "Open Source Software" in their "Star Ships" because it's more "logical".

Re:Windows XP runs the warp core

[tommeke100]

It's been upgraded from Windows 95 and 98 after they had to reboot the spaceship every (earth) 49.7 days.

Re:Windows XP runs the warp core

[K. S. Kyosuke]

FATAL EXCEPTION: Warp core dumped!

Isn't that the *non*-fatal kind of Star Trek exceptions? I thought you were usually in more trouble when something happened and you *didn't* dump the core.

Re:Windows XP runs the warp core

[K. S. Kyosuke]

From one of Kirk's speeches: "Four warp cores and seven light years ago..."

Re:Windows XP runs the warp core

[MrKaos]

FATAL EXCEPTION: Warp core dumped!

Isn't that the *non*-fatal kind of Star Trek exceptions? I thought you were usually in more trouble when something happened and you *didn't* dump the core.

I've always wondered how they would get far enough away from an exploding warp core for it too make any difference!?

At least it's actually code!

[cmseagle]

They could've taken the typical Hollywood approach and shown a bunch of green, Matrix-like gibberish scrolling across the screen. I'm choosing to view this more as an easter egg than as a continuity issue.

Re:At least it's actually code!

[Zocalo]

My take too - it's a cute touch, and they must have known what the code was when they used it or they would have just have grabbed something vaguely appropriate from the OSS code base - like the use of NMAP in The Matrix, and many similar examples since - or gone down the gibberish/pseudo code route. I think most directors are well aware by now that with high-def. video anything like that put up on the screen will be subjected to a freezeframe and analysis, so you either need to make it relevant or an easter egg if you want to avoid some mockery. Since we clearly don't have any actual code to deal with the analysis of quantum lifeforms yet, that just leaves the easter egg.

Re:At least it's actually code!

[thegarbz]

They could've taken the typical Hollywood approach and shown a bunch of green, Matrix-like gibberish scrolling across the screen.

Ironically from your quote the only example of actual hacking in the matrix was using legitimate hacking tools performing a legitimate hack.

Re:At least it's actually code!

[MrKaos]

I'm disappointed that there's not been more evolution in programming to be honest.

CBS would DRM the shit out of it!

Re:At least it's actually code!

[McGruber]

I'm choosing to view this more as an easter egg than as a continuity issue.

A real easter egg would have been to show the DeCSS code.

Re:At least it's actually code!

[JackieBrown]

They could've taken the typical Hollywood approach and shown a bunch of green, Matrix-like gibberish scrolling across the screen. I'm choosing to view this more as an easter egg than as a continuity issue.

How in the world would you have seen it as a continuity issue regardless of how they presented the code?

Re:At least it's actually code!

[Actually, I do RTFA]

Code normally has copyrights. So they cannot just grab some code and throw it up on screen. Hence, they make up something they think looks good. It was brilliant to use malware code. What, is some government agency going to try to get paid by publicly admitting they wrote it?

Re:At least it's actually code!

[Anonymous Coward]

Maybe one motivation for using Stuxnet is not having to worry about anyone claiming the copyright.

Was posted to HackerNews yesterday...

[grungeman]

...but the Hackers did not care: https://news.ycombinator.com/i...

Seriously, is there still a real hacker newssite out there? Something that really is about hacking, not about pushing yCombinator investments?

According To Star Trek: Discovery...

[Freischutz]

According To Star Trek: Discovery, Starfleet Still Runs Microsoft Windows

Better headline: "Whoever creates the tech props for Star Trek: Discovery has a wicked sense of humour" (assuming this really is decompiled Stuxnet code)

Re:According To Star Trek: Discovery...

[kalieaire]

"decompiled code" or simply source code? lol

Re:According To Star Trek: Discovery...

[Guybrush_T]

See for yourself. https://github.com/Laurelai/de...

The other Universe

[Anonymous Coward]

Does this mean that the Rebels in Star Wars use Linux?

Kill it already.

[B33rNinj4]

It's an idiotic series with no basis in any Star Trek lore. Hell, even fanfic is better.

The Federation is DOOMED!

[Chas]

The Borg are in orbit.
SIR! Our global defense grid just BSOD'ed!
Shit! Someone send the Borg a Linux ISO from a distro that uses systemd!

Re:The Federation is DOOMED!

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually it turns out that systemd is the core of the Borg hive mind. It was transported into distant past, far, far away on an bootable Linux USB stick by a sub-reddit phenomenon.

Stuxnet is fine, but

[k2r]

I like that they used Stuxnet, knowing that it would be identified within hours after broadcast.

I hate however that generations after me we will have no proper IDE at all, just some editor that has a little code folding and no syntax-aware highlighting at all... What happened to, say, vi?

Re:Stuxnet is fine, but

[k2r]

Khaaaaaaaaaan!

Re:Stuxnet is fine, but

[scourfish]

I'm glad that in the future, people still understand the fundamentals of software development enough to use command line. Vim is the future.

Re: Stuxnet is fine, but

[Richjesusstallman]

Seems like someone wants a skull fucking....

WRONG !!!!

[martiniturbide]

We all know that StarTrek runs in a parallel universe where OS/2 Warp was the winning OS of the 90's OS Wars. https://youtu.be/WCKr-2EJxE4?t...

I'm looking for a better video by they way.

Re:But the klingons

[MrKaos]

please, just one topic without this, please. can we just have some fun, please?

Code Warrior beat it 20 years ago

[VolciMaster]

Remember when you could use Code Warrior on your PowerBook to compile code for an alien supercomputer?

What's next?

[kenh]

Next thing you know you'll be telling me that "Star Trek is telling us that we'll still be using Styrofoam cups in the future"!

Re:At least it's actually code! - in22nd century?!

[kenh]

To what, picture-based coding? When exactly did expressing complex ideas in words become old-fashioned?

Computer-generated code has been around for a very, very long time - even if you ignore that that is what assemblers and compilers do for the moment, I've seen many tools where a user chooses actions from a menu and code is created. I once worked for a fairly successful company that had an in-house tool that generated VB code based on user inputs.

The military finally upgrades!

[scunc]

At least they're not still running XP ...
--
I'm smarter than you're.

Re:At least it's actually code! - in22nd century?!

[K. S. Kyosuke]

To what, picture-based coding?

Self-programming machines? You tell it what you need and it figures out the rest. If it needs more information, it asks for it.

Star Trek: The SJW Generation

[newdsfornerds]

This show is complete tosh.

Seems plausible given our experience.

[hey!]

How many of us are working on machines with mind-bogglingly complex microarchitectures that provide the illusion of a modestly-upgraded 8086 CPU to the software running on them?

If there's one constant in human nature, it's that people will perform feats of astonishing ingenuity and resourcefulness in order to avoid change.

Clippy, Engage!

[Tablizer]

They should have used APL. It has a futuristic look, especially if the graphics crew tinker with the character fonts a bit, and in the future the keyboards may be virtual such that editing in APL may be a snap.

Re:But the klingons

[crankyspice]

No Mudd? Not even just a little?

Well that explains it!

[Gravis Zero]

Before I couldn't get over the fact that the consoles on the bridge would explode in their faces but now I realize this was just a metaphor for Windows exploding. ;)

Re:Well that explains it!

[NicknameUnavailable]

The explosions came from lights on the consoles. In sci-fi anything which lights up is a stand-in for some fantastical technology which doesn't yet exist - most of which can explode because as a basic rule glowing things make brighter glowing things.

Re:But the klingons

[NicknameUnavailable]

please, just one topic without this, please. can we just have some fun, please?

The fun starts in the backlash of Nov 4th (Antifa are plotting to slaughter white people because racism and anti-Trump sentiment, which is sure to make commie-bashing fashionable again.)

Re:Stuxnet is fine, but: Emacs

[NicknameUnavailable]

How about we just throw the VIM and EMACS people into a pit to fight to the death, winner gets eaten by a lion - that way we can end this stupid debate once and for all while using real IDEs?

Windows for Spaceships

[roc97007]

Well, that would explain Starfleet losses at... basically every massed battle they've ever had.

"Raise shields!"

"Sir, all our screens are saying "Just a moment" with a little rotating circle!"

"Oh crap, is it Tuesday?"

Ship blows up, seen from space, accompanied by a "Boom!!!" for no reason whatsoever.

that explains it

[roc97007]

Maybe the Enterprise was successful when so many other ships were blown to hell because Scotty was an Ubuntu fan.

Re:that explains it

[Hognoxious]

A non-systemd version, though.

Re:that explains it

[roc97007]

This is the 23rd century. Everyone knows that systemd was replaced by superinit decades ago.

Re:that explains it

[Hognoxious]

I think you're right. Otherwise Scotty would never be able to do something in 37 seconds when it should take four days; he'd still be trying to debug some obscure race condition (the shields just willnae come up, cap'n!) and decipher some binary log as the nearby sun goes supernova.

At least they moved on by tng

[Richjesusstallman]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik... In the Star Trek fictional universe, LCARS (/ËÉlkÉ'Ërz/; an acronym for Library Computer Access/Retrieval System) is a computer operating system. Within Star Trek chronology, the term was first used in the Star Trek: The Next Generation series.

Don't tempt the Beast (Microsoft).

[taskforceken]

Red Alert: Microsoft marketing opportunity, battle stations!
Wouldn't be surprised at all, if close-ups of screens started showing a Win 10 look-alike.

Microsoft becomes corporate sponsor, after CBS subscription revenue fails to meet expectations.

All Lines Are Commented Out

[bchat]

Did anyone notice that all the lines are commented out? Every line is preceded with "//", as in the highlighted line: // HANDLE __stdcall GetCurrentProcess();

Janeway

[DarthVain]

This was basically the criticism about Janeway. Not so much that she was a women, but rather that they overcompensated a great deal. She was Captain and expert in everything... Not sure why they even bothered with the rest of the crew other than to have people for her to talk with as she seemingly just did everything by her self. All other Star Trek crews had clear delineation of expertise and they would work as a team to solve whatever solution was needed... Heck in STTNG they even split off Kirk's 3 primary skills, 1) Command, Picard obviously, 2) Gorn destroying double axe handle fighting technique, Worf, and 3) The ability to slut around with alien lifeforms, Riker. This seems more of the same as Janeway the one woman wreaking machine other than she was *supposed* to be a Captain, but due to her trying to save everyone by herself (sound familiar), now has no rank.

Also I'll raise a Vulcan eyebrow at the addition of interstellar telepathy to the repertoire of her apparent skills... Though her neck pinch skills must suck if her former Captain simply woke up after a couple minutes.