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Microsoft 'Was Sick', CEO Satya Nadella Says In New Book (intoday.in)

Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella has just published a new book called Hit Refresh: The Quest to Rediscover Microsoft's Soul and Imagine a Better Future for Everyone. An anonymous reader quotes India Today: Nadella's push for cultural shift -- and hiring "learn-it-alls" instead of "know-it-alls" -- is largely meant to jolt enthusiasm for a new era of innovation at the company. Microsoft had long depended on the success of its flagship Windows operating system and the royalties it gets for each PC sold with it. But the global PC market is declining, and Microsoft fell behind as Apple and Google led the shift to smartphones. Nadella doesn't take any shots at Microsoft's co-founder and first CEO Bill Gates -- who wrote the book's foreword -- or Ballmer. But he's frank about their disagreements, especially over Ballmer's disastrous $7.3 billion acquisition of Nokia's phone business in 2014.

Nadella also refers to the company's previous organizational structure as a "confederation of fiefdoms" and recounts negative feedback received from employee surveys and emails. "The company was sick," Nadella writes. "Employees were tired. They were frustrated. They were fed up with losing and falling behind despite their grand plans and great ideas. They came to Microsoft with big dreams, but it felt like all they really did was deal with upper management, execute taxing processes and bicker in meetings..." He promises not to squander the new energy felt by employees after years of frustration. So far, it seems to be paying off; Microsoft shares have doubled since he took the top job in early 2014, and the company is attracting buzz for its work in AI, augmented reality and a new effort in futuristic computing.

A former Microsoft board member says Nadella "has made people believe in the future of Microsoft in a way that neither Bill nor Steve really did."

242 comments

  1. so.... MS was sick by turkeydance · · Score: 5, Funny

    when MS hired him?

    1. Re:so.... MS was sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MS had MS

    2. Re:so.... MS was sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm surprised he doesn't appear to realize one of the reasons the PC market is declining is because there are people out there that are hanging on to their older PCs that still get the job done just to avoid Microsoft's flagship OS and it's spying.

      You know, something that's entirely his fault that happened entirely on his watch.

    3. Re:so.... MS was sick by coofercat · · Score: 1

      ...and it'll be sick when they hire the next CEO too ;-)

    4. Re:so.... MS was sick by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, However sometimes they hire people who they think are part of their culture, as it appears as such on paper, however after in the new position, really change things up.

      I know myself personally seems to have surprised people, after I get into a different position. As my work ethic tells me to handle different positions differently. So when I was working a lower end position, where I followed order, they advance me to a different position. They will find that I ignore and work around stupid one, or where I was friendly to a department, they find I may become their biggest problem... Then when I get promoted again, I may become easy on that department and follow rules...
      Different jobs requires different skill sets, and different sets of personal communication, as each position has a different sets of tools, bigger sticks or bigger carrots.

      I expect Nadella, worked well with the Know it Alls, thus MS Hired him... However in the position he knows these know the faults of these people, and has the power to change this.

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    5. Re:so.... MS was sick by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Do you mean designing Windows 10 specs to be nearly identical to the Specs of Windows 7? So older PC's and newer lower powered portable devices can use it?
      Adding enhanced touch screen displays as this is the current trend.

      What Microsoft is seeming to really miss is the change of the PC market to the Workstation market. The Personal Computer is now a Phone or Tablet. However systems built with Desktop Based technologies, are now used for either High End Gaming or Real work. It needs much more focus on Making Windows 10 a productive OS, that really gets out of the way on what you are trying to accomplish.

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    6. Re:so.... MS was sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      TL;CRBW10DURWMRT (Too long, couldn't read because my Windows 10 decided to upgrade and reboot while in the middle of reading this)

    7. Re: so.... MS was sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. Everyone has a tinfoil at on just like you. Do you realise youâ(TM)re an insignificant outlier? A teeny tiny little spot outside a giant cluster of massive spots. Microsoft couldnâ(TM)t care less about you, even 1,000,000 people like you. Theyâ(TM)re aiming for 1 billion installations and theyâ(TM)re getting traction on that target.

      You need a reality check, mate.

    8. Re:so.... MS was sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Touch screens are not the current trend in desktops, and never will be.

    9. Re:so.... MS was sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Do you mean designing Windows 10 specs to be nearly identical to the Specs of Windows 7? So older PC's and newer lower powered portable devices can use it? Adding enhanced touch screen displays as this is the current trend. Adding enhanced touch screen displays as this is the current trend.

      I think it's more like firing the QC staff and pushing gigantic and undertested updates that corrupt the network stack, break drivers, lose printers, get stuck in update loops, mangle video settings, and add incompatibilities with software. Touch interfaces are next to worthless on 90% of the software I use on a desktop.

      Every six months it's a circus trying to make things work again like the way they did the day before.

    10. Re: so.... MS was sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try a good one. They are amazing.

    11. Re:so.... MS was sick by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      "Was"? - It still is.

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    12. Re:so.... MS was sick by Dan667 · · Score: 2

      I think this is really accurate for a lot of people. Windows 7 is likely my last microsoft os. I have zero interest in the spyware/rent model of windows 10.

    13. Re:so.... MS was sick by JohnFen · · Score: 2

      Do you mean designing Windows 10 specs to be nearly identical to the Specs of Windows 7?

      He probably means the terrible UI changes and transforming the OS into spyware.

    14. Re: so.... MS was sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The quality doesn't matter. If you sit near enough to the screen to actually be able to touch it you're doing it wrong.

    15. Re:so.... MS was sick by slazzy · · Score: 1

      And moving to mobile devices at the same time. I've bought 5 new smartphones, since I've bought a new PC, I'm sure I'm not alone.

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    16. Re: so.... MS was sick by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      Try typing a long piece of text in one. Not amazing at all.

    17. Re:so.... MS was sick by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Do you mean designing Windows 10 specs to be nearly identical to the Specs of Windows 7? So older PC's and newer lower powered portable devices can use it?
      Adding enhanced touch screen displays as this is the current trend.

      What Microsoft is seeming to really miss is the change of the PC market to the Workstation market. The Personal Computer is now a Phone or Tablet. However systems built with Desktop Based technologies, are now used for either High End Gaming or Real work. It needs much more focus on Making Windows 10 a productive OS, that really gets out of the way on what you are trying to accomplish.

      Yeah like how the latest Windows 10 creators edition is incompatible with very ancient Ivory bridge i5s with Intel graphics and NICs?!! (Sarcasm for ancient).

      It wouldn't be a problem if freaking MS wasn't ended support for Windows 10 build 1503.

      Now we have to order 2,000 nice and Nvidia 210 video cards to protect my bosses boss image/ego because he wanted to go cool upgraded to 10 over the superior and we'll tested 7 which doesn't have these insane changes every 6 months!

      No weekends off until December putting shitty GPUs and NICs on 2000 PCs. Gee thanks Microsoft

    18. Re:so.... MS was sick by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      But but it's agile! That can't be true? The MBAs said a happy or friends face and a good story is the answer to every problem

    19. Re:so.... MS was sick by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      I've bought three smart phones to one PC, so yeah, my money is definitely not flowing very heavily towards MS these days.

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    20. Re:so.... MS was sick by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Can't happen to me anymore, mine somehow crapped its pants when trying to do the creator's update and can't update anymore.

      I still don't know whether that's a good thing or a bad thing... but it's a bad thing that I don't immediately think it's a bad thing, that's for sure.

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    21. Re:so.... MS was sick by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      The MBAs said... so you really let the clowns run the circus?

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    22. Re: so.... MS was sick by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      He is not alone.

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    23. Re:so.... MS was sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft doesn't support certain specific processors that Intel has moved into an "End of Interactive Support" phase. Either you're being disingenuous in order to make a point, in which case there is absolutely no reason to entertain your particular viewpoint since you're a fucking liar, or you don't know the difference, in which case there is absolutely no reason to entertain your particular viewpoint since you're incompetent.

      Maybe you should look for work in something more in line with abilities, like ditch digging, and leave the technical work to people with technical skills.

    24. Re:so.... MS was sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh please. If Microsoft wanted people to upgrade, they wouldn't have blocked XP and Vista from upgrading. Microsoft is so embarrassed by 10 that they're trying to limit the damage. One day they may no longer be as ashamed of it and allow upgrades.

    25. Re:so.... MS was sick by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Microsoft doesn't support certain specific processors that Intel has moved into an "End of Interactive Support" phase. Either you're being disingenuous in order to make a point, in which case there is absolutely no reason to entertain your particular viewpoint since you're a fucking liar, or you don't know the difference, in which case there is absolutely no reason to entertain your particular viewpoint since you're incompetent.

      Maybe you should look for work in something more in line with abilities, like ditch digging, and leave the technical work to people with technical skills.

      Coming from someone who has no real work experience in an enterprise where 10 year old hardware is still common as long as it still works. When you leave college and get a real job you will see things more clear

    26. Re:so.... MS was sick by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      The MBAs said... so you really let the clowns run the circus?

      I don't but the directors and VPs do at my organization.

        Especially at my past job which I left for this very reason. Nothing like making IT decisions with no input with IT other than hey I need a website made in 1 week or we need 200 computers imaged by Monday on a Friday where the regular thing. If we didn't do it they would fire us and replace us with Indians.

      If we did then they assume this is normal and we like coming in every weekend because we just LOVE IT so much etc while they were at home.

      Part of me feels the MBAs didn't invite IT to the meetings about IT where because they kept putting up roadblocks and refused to be yes man to the mighty MBA. I guess as you gain experience what I am taught is to make sure the MBAs have a history of good management and doing ample research at GlassDoor.com first.

    27. Re: so.... MS was sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Touchscreen typing is for tablets. He's talking about using a touchscreen in addition to a standard keyboard and mouse.

    28. Re:so.... MS was sick by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      I wonder if they knew he was going to spend so much time writing books after he became CEO?

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    29. Re:so.... MS was sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was the only person who ever read the Bill Gates book, "The Road Ahead," without mentioning how the Microsoft visionary almost missed the Internet.

    30. Re:so.... MS was sick by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      I've purchased more desk/laptops than phones, but none of them are running Microsoft operating systems.

    31. Re:so.... MS was sick by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      Microsoft doesn't support certain specific processors that Intel has moved into an "End of Interactive Support" phase.

      Yes, that's their reasoning.

      But your response makes it sound like their reason is so ironclad that only the delusional or deceptive would find it unpersuasive. However, it actually is unpersuasive. The ending of a processor's "interactive support" phase does not make the processor impossible for an operating system to use.

    32. Re:so.... MS was sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Christ, you a fucking whiny, ignorant little twat.

    33. Re:so.... MS was sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've bought more PC's than phones recently (10+), and they all run Windows 7.

    34. Re: so.... MS was sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Taking your hands off of the keyboard and mouse and reaching all the way up to the screen to jab at it is major productivity fail. And imprecise, slow, yadda yadda.

    35. Re:so.... MS was sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yesterday I was sitting in front of my computer talking with my girlfriend. Yahoo mail was the only page open on private mode of firefox, the only software that was running.

      She asked me what I was doing that afternoon and I told her hat I was going to go scrap some moss off of the roof that I'd seen in the morning. In under 1 minute a roof moss prevention add was displayed along side of my incoming mail. This really freaked me out.I'd never searched for such a product before and have been using baking soda for 2 years. Coincidence?

    36. Re: so.... MS was sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Creimer Amazon affiliate spam. Please mod down.

    37. Re:so.... MS was sick by coastwalker · · Score: 1

      Nadala is just rationalizing the current trend of sacking older workers to replace them with cheap graduates who will do whatever they are told because they have no idea whether the command is possible. The cult of the cult leader has to be protected so that they can justify their unjustifiable salaries. Hey ho, every few years we get a new paradigm to excuse bad behavior. It has been going on since at least the early 80's in my direct experience.

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    38. Re:so.... MS was sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. And you gotta love how he talks shit about Ballmer when Ballmer was responsible for Windows 7, the best version of Windows ever made. Despite the overly dramatic whining, Vista and 8/8.1 were also fine operating systems. Vista's problem was it was released before hardware makers had updated drivers and 8/8.1 is completely fixed with the installation of Classic Shell.

      Satay Nutella is responsible for Windows 10, the worst pile of spyware, adware, bloatware, forcedware/controlware shit I have ever seen. Nobody wants Windows 10, that's why after two and a half years, Windows 7 still has more than double the number of users and Android still has like five times the number of users.

    39. Re:so.... MS was sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > one of the reasons the PC market is declining [...] to avoid Microsoft's flagship OS and it's spying.

      You're deluding yourself if you think even a tiny percentage of Windows users are even *aware* there's any amount of "spying" (your word, not mine) going on. Overall, those users who're thinking about represent a rounding error.

      The PC market isn't declining because of those users.

    40. Re:so.... MS was sick by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Relax, nobody's spying on you. It's probably only a malevolent demonic spirit, nothing really dangerous.

    41. Re:so.... MS was sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people don't care about that. They just use a PC and it's a gadget.

    42. Re: so.... MS was sick by iampiti · · Score: 1

      Exactly. PCs future lies in those two segments yet they try to force a touch UI on everyone. Not to mention the spying and all the other crap they put in Windows 10

    43. Re:so.... MS was sick by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Nadala is just rationalizing the current trend of sacking older workers to replace them with cheap graduates who will do whatever they are told because they have no idea whether the command is possible. The cult of the cult leader has to be protected so that they can justify their unjustifiable salaries. Hey ho, every few years we get a new paradigm to excuse bad behavior. It has been going on since at least the early 80's in my direct experience.

      That wasn[t my context. But I was making a point when people scream agile/scrum they mean save money and the clueless MBAs who read about it somewhere in a post on LinkedIN want everyone at it and do not know what it means or how to do it and make decisions for things they are not qualified for because they are the big bad boss and want to kiss up to the senior vice presidents for their bonuses.

      I am not defending Nadala but he was a programmer and worked his way up. I think as a CEO he is a better fit than the usual MBA accountants who Wall Street brings to cut costs and boost the shareprice while destroying the value of their company for short term gains. Nadala is the old school MBA who were trained in other fields and knew the company well but got the masters degree to learn the business side so they can manage. Now it is whiz bang Wall Street financial gurus to come in and boss people around who know the company and products more than they do. It is frustrating.

      Do you work for Microsoft at all?

    44. Re:so.... MS was sick by cb88 · · Score: 1

      While Windows 10's CPU and Ram requirements are similar... the load it places on your hard disk are much higher. I've yet to see a low end windows 10 machine that was a late model upper mid range laptop or desktop not churn it's hard disk practically continually.

      Windows 7 on the other hand has very light intermittent disk activity...

    45. Re: so.... MS was sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While moving the mouse to hit a 8x8 pixel icon takes longer than just hitting the fucker with your finger

    46. Re: so.... MS was sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Using a keyboard shortcut and being able to type the first few letters of the icon is quickest

    47. Re: so.... MS was sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hitting a 1.2mm (at 4k 27") big square a meter away with your finger is faster than doing the same thing with a mouse that is already in your hand?

    48. Re:so.... MS was sick by houghi · · Score: 1

      And of those two, only one needs to be new. For a gaming rig, you might want to have the latest and fastest hardware and that will come with a newer OS that uses it. For a desktop at work, it will most likely run some Excell, a browser, Outlook and then perhaps even a frew programs that get data from a server.

      For that there is no need to have a high end PC, so a newer one can be bought later. Instead of doing the lease for 3 years, you can start looking for 4 years. A new PC will mean a new OS, so the volume is reduced by 25%.

      I see it with my own hardware. I used to buy a new system every 2 years and I really, really noticed a difference in speed. Now I do not and my PC is 5 years old and still does everything that I need it to do in a normal time frame. Using an add blocker has more impact on my speed that buying a new high-end PC The bottleneck isn't the PC anymore. It isn't even the network connection. It is me. I can not type faster that I alsready do. I can not watch faster than I already do. I can not see faster than I already do.

      If you are not a gamer, increase in speed means nothing. That means you do not need a new PC and that means you will not buy the OS that is included in said PC.

      What MS did right was to see that the OS was on the PC. If you want to know how you could get the year of the Linux Desktop: pre-install. That is how Android became big. Because people will buy any OS i it is installed. The majority of people do not care.

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    49. Re:so.... MS was sick by megamind · · Score: 1

      All the tech companies are sick. They think if an internal developer gets something working and hacked together that it is worth it for people to pay for their shit products. And of course we just take it because we have nothing better.

    50. Re:so.... MS was sick by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised he doesn't appear to realize one of the reasons the PC market is declining is because there are people out there that are hanging on to their older PCs that still get the job done just to avoid Microsoft's flagship OS and it's spying.

      You know, something that's entirely his fault that happened entirely on his watch.

      I still use XP on one of my favorite computers. And Linux on the others That's a 10yr old Plus, XP system

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    51. Re:so.... MS was sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed ,older PC ,even with the Pentium 4 CPU still run very well with the latest 32 bit Linux distros like Lubuntu 16.04 and MX16.

      For 95% of home users this old kit provides all they need.

  2. A case against Monopoly capitalism by transporter_ii · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think this is a clear example of why we should be against monopolies. Microsoft didn't change out of the goodness of its heart. It got where it is now kicking and screaming. And yeah, I still don't trust them, but everyone has to admit, they have taken some steps to move in the right direction. But only because they were forced to by some real competition.

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    1. Re:A case against Monopoly capitalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft is not now "good" because it has competition while having been bad before for lack of competition. Competition may help check inappropriate practices, but it's the fundamental structure of commercial companies - maximizing profit over any and all public interests - that is at fault, in my humble AC opinion.

      It's the anti-property-inspired efforts of the Free Software groups, projects and individual authors which are the direction for a solution (again IMHO).

    2. Re:A case against Monopoly capitalism by Merk42 · · Score: 1

      I think this is a clear example of why we should be against monopolies. Microsoft didn't change out of the goodness of its heart. It got where it is now kicking and screaming.

      That sort of thing isn't exclusive to monopolies.

    3. Re:A case against Monopoly capitalism by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The question is there any company/organization that you completely trust?
      If so, then you are probably being misguided.

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    4. Re:A case against Monopoly capitalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yeah, I still don't trust them, but everyone has to admit, they have taken some steps to move in the right direction.

      I wasn't aware that abusing your monopoly position to put spyware on almost all consumer PCs was a "step in the right direction," nor any of the other bullshit they're pulling with Windows 10 (and there's a truckload, e.g. web censorship and a license that lets them load whatever they want on your machine). Are brain injuries also a "step in the right direction" under this definition?

    5. Re:A case against Monopoly capitalism by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      but everyone has to admit, they have taken some steps to move in the right direction.

      No, I don't agree with this at all.

    6. Re:A case against Monopoly capitalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What competition? They've basically abandoned the consumer space to Apple and Google. There isnt going to be a new Micorosoft SmartPhone and they are busy marrying Cortana to Alexa and have no illusions about beating Alexa. Microsofts new cash cow under Nadella is Azure services. That's the only thing that;s changed. Azure is now a success. Windows market share has been hovering in that 70% range since forever and all their new successes are in the enterprise segment where Apple doesn't play and Google plays rather badly.

    7. Re:A case against Monopoly capitalism by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      It's not capitalism if there are only monopolies. Capitalism requires a large number of competitors with approximately equal footing. What we have here is both high-anticompetitive to the core (i've yet to work at a company that didn't do everything it legally could to subdue competitors, and in one case illegally did, rather than actually compete).

      Monopolies aren't good for anyone, period. It's short term thinking at its finest.

    8. Re:A case against Monopoly capitalism by JohnFen · · Score: 2

      Monopoly is the natural result of unrestrained capitalism. I think you might be talking about free-market economics rather than capitalism.

    9. Re:A case against Monopoly capitalism by RazorSharp · · Score: 2

      This is true, but I think we let oligopolies off the hook. I remember in the 90s Microsoft's argument in their antitrust suit was that because Apple existed, they weren't a monopoly and that made things okay. Markets in generally are becoming less and less diverse, with a few major players in each industry. If Apple didn't have the unique culture and leadership that has made them so successful, I doubt they would apply the type of pressure they do. In a similar vein, if it weren't for Apple's unique business model, it would be unlikely that any tech company would even take a symbolic attempt to protect their customers privacy.

      Microsoft, meanwhile, still thrives from PC royalties. Their strategy of demanding royalties for Android and Linux devices has seemed to work out for them, as has their foray into hardware which will likely hurt their long term partners. I don't see a 180 form previous regimes.

      This post turned out pretty ramble-y and lacks focus. I apologize. I guess what I was originally getting at is that a little competition is hardly better than no competition. Look at the telecommunications industry as an example of why this is true. Diverse marketplaces are important, but our antitrust regulation is primarily concerned with monopoly while being okay with oligopoly. Once an oligopoly becomes rather stable, which is what seems to be happening in the tech industry, it more or less functions like a monopoly.

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    10. Re:A case against Monopoly capitalism by nine-times · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not completely and unquestioningly, but certainly there are some companies I trust more than others.

      For Microsoft, it's worse than most. It's not just that I don't happen to trust them, I actively distrust them Or rather, I trust them to do bad things. They have a history of being hostile, controlling, and even abusive toward their own customers and partners. They've had a long-standing culture of being stagnant, and relying on market dominance and vendor lock-in to maintain their relevance. Their older solutions tended to be insecure by design. Currently, their solutions tend to have a design-by-committee feel as well as being overly elaborate.

      There are some bright spots, but, they've generally been a bad company making bad products. Instead of using their resources to build better products that you want to use, they focus their energies on leveraging their market position to force you to use their bad products.

    11. Re:A case against Monopoly capitalism by strikethree · · Score: 2

      And yeah, I still don't trust them, but everyone has to admit, they have taken some steps to move in the right direction.

      Right direction?! Really?

      I do not care about their internal culture or whatever you think is moving in the right direction. Spying on EVERYONE who uses their software is downright Orwellian.

      The complete stripping of privacy by this company is such a profound thing that they could have invented strong AI or solved the Halting Problem and I would still not agree they are "moving in the right direction".

      Are you a shill or something? Just wow!. Moving in the right direction... my ass. Microsoft needs to be torn to shreds and no part of it should survive. Its dismemberment should leave such a charred hole in history that nobody EVER dares to walk down that road again. No. What they are doing now is FAR worse than the abuse of monopoly they previously enjoyed.

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    12. Re:A case against Monopoly capitalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trust is not binary. There is a sliding scale of trust and I don't think I have complete trust even in myself.

      There are companies and organizations I trust more than Microsoft. There are a companies I trust less than Microsoft. That second list is small: Monsanto, Blackwater/Xe/WhateverTheyAreNow., LiterallyHitlerSatan LLC .

    13. Re:A case against Monopoly capitalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, but that's a problem with you, not them

    14. Re:A case against Monopoly capitalism by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      Yes, this.

      Here's my perspective about trust: nobody is trustworthy about everything all the time. So the question is, when can I trust someone and about what? When I say I "trust" someone or something, what I mean is that I believe that I have a good handle on what I can trust them about, and what I can't.

  3. Nadella's greatest trick by swb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...will turn out to be tricking its customer base into renting rather than owning its software. He bought off the fiefdoms by picking winners and turning them into rent-receiving franchises.

    As long as few viable alternatives exist for Office and Exchange and Windows remains their nearly exclusive platform and all turn into a rent-seeking business, Microsoft will continue to make a lot of money.

    1. Re:Nadella's greatest trick by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are viable alternatives. For 99% of users (which includes me), Google Apps will do as well as MS Word. Especially since Docs learned to do TOC with page numbers. I have Libre Office to work with the occasional docx file sent by customers.
      I used to do all of my documents on MS Office, nowadays I no longer even install the Word viewer.

      YMMV, but I think viable alternatives already exists and have existed for a long time.
      The problem is people insisting on needing a specific WordArt effect or other feature which would take slightly more effort to do in the alternatives.
      Few people actually require all the power features, they're just used to them.

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    2. Re:Nadella's greatest trick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, his greates trick will be to have turned the dot in Windows 8.2 into a plus, and convincing people that Windows 10 is not another update of the same half-assed touch-UI that everyone hated when it was called Windows 8.

      You still can't get a desktop UI without downloading a third party product like Start8 or Classic Shell, and even then, once you need to certain change settings, you end up back in the touch interface anyway.

      Even so, getting rid of the desktop UI doesn't mean that it works on a tablet. Having actually had one for a year before replacing it with an Android (and then another year just lying on a shelf before I managed to give it away), I can tell you that the new touch-based settings just means that settings are now spread over three places - swipe in from the left and choose settings, control panel and regedit. Now, imagine regedit on a tablet, with a touch-keyboard that doesn't even popup when you select a text box, but needs to be activated manually, and the UI so small that you can fit three registry keys under a finger...

    3. Re: Nadella's greatest trick by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      One day people on Slashdot will remember that it's the corporate market that is the big money spinner for Microsoft and corporate clients can't just dump their infrastructure on a whim.

    4. Re:Nadella's greatest trick by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      ...will turn out to be tricking its customer base into renting rather than owning its software. He bought off the fiefdoms by picking winners and turning them into rent-receiving franchises.

      As long as few viable alternatives exist for Office and Exchange and Windows remains their nearly exclusive platform and all turn into a rent-seeking business, Microsoft will continue to make a lot of money.

      I know that is what they are trying to do. But I wonder how well this rental setup will work with things like the basic operating system. Basic, but crucial.

      As an example, I use the Adobe Creative Suite a lot. But the version on my computer is old, as in Creative Suite 3. So I thought I'd give Creative Cloud a try. It was very nice. But even with my educational discount, it was going to be around 250 a year to rent it. A kilobuck over 4 years. And while Creative Cloud is very nice, the old CS3 suite is long since paid off. So I let it expire and CS3 is doing what I need to do.

      The concept of pay forever, especially in critical software like Adobe CS or for Crissakes, an operating system - is like addiction. What happens if you miss a payment? Windows 10 going to bluescreen you, or hold all your files hostage until you pony up? Send some thugs over to convince you of the error of your ways?

      My guess is that the subscription model will fail unless Microsoft manages to eliminate Apple and Linux, as well as make their office suite completely incompatible with all their other older operating systems, including the 1 time buy Windows 10.

      And someone in here will bray about what an awesome move that is.

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    5. Re:Nadella's greatest trick by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Just be aware that as soon as companies discover that they have lost control over their data then things will get interesting.

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    6. Re:Nadella's greatest trick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Citation where Microsoft is renting your computer?

    7. Re: Nadella's greatest trick by nasch · · Score: 1

      In other words, Microsoft is relying on corporate inertia for its profits.

    8. Re: Nadella's greatest trick by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      No, but they can steadily migrate, and it certainly has happened with some enterprises moving to GMail/Calendar, and some educational institutions have put their toes in the water over Google Docs. There are definitely a lot of organizations who are at least considering a post-MS future.

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    9. Re: Nadella's greatest trick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nonsense. Depriving Micro$oft of a $300 M$ Office license fee every 5 or so years is totally crippling them.

    10. Re: Nadella's greatest trick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Giving all my information to Alphabet is better than paying for Office

      wat?

    11. Re:Nadella's greatest trick by swb · · Score: 1

      They don't care. Nobody in charge of anything cares because they are only concerned about next quarter and what comes after.

      I actually have a theory that the short-horizon world we live in is some weird byproduct of the baby boomer generation. They're all zeroing in on retirement and are just looking to maximize their retirement income and they literally unconcerned about stuff past about age 80.

      I think it will take about another 10 years, when the boomers are nearly all retired or dead, for anything meaningful to change.

    12. Re:Nadella's greatest trick by rijrunner · · Score: 1

      No.. the greatest trick will be convincing people that Microsoft doesn't exist..

    13. Re: Nadella's greatest trick by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Yes absolutely just like IBM before them

    14. Re: Nadella's greatest trick by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying it can't happen, it's the dumbass attitude of "you can just use Google Docs" around here that bugs me. It's a big deal switching heavily integrated software and being beholden to Google instead of Microsoft doesn't seem like a particularly great benefit in any case.

    15. Re:Nadella's greatest trick by houghi · · Score: 1

      MS Office is used in the office. That is where it counts. At home people use email over a web interface to communicate if they don't use Facepalm or something else.

      At the office, Word is sometimes used, but mostly so it can be converted to PDF to be send around. Word is not very important anymore and can easily be replaced.

      The singele most important one is Excel. It is used (abused) in every company dor things it was not intended to so, but people use it. Some people in the company will use scripts that won't be possible to be used in any other program.

      I have seen places that have Back Office and yet they still export the file to Excel, have it print out and enter it manually into Excel, so they have the numbers for the monthly report that they can stuff into their Powerpoint Presentation. I just made a new monthly report into an image with BO and save an hour per day.

      People have no idea what could be possible and they are afraid to ask even if they would know. People also don not like to be told there are better ways, because that would make them look dumb and if they are, they might get fired (or so they think).
      Me? I am not lazy, I am efficient with my energy.

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    16. Re:Nadella's greatest trick by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      ...will turn out to be tricking its customer base into renting rather than owning its software.

      This is my fear with the entire software industry. I don't like where this is going but the writing is on the wall. The "subscription" model is already in use by Adobe (and probably many others) and it just seems to be zealously emphasizing the actuality that software is licensed, not "owned", and clubbing the customer base over the head with that fact as a reminder. It's essentially time-bombing the software.
      If developers want to keep their software that close to the vest while squeezing every dime out of you they possibly can, I'll find alternatives; I prefer to buy once and not be hassled again and again; or better yet, FOSS if it does the job well. I don't begrudge anyone their right to make a fair amount of money off their hard work, but this model seems ripe for abuse and graft.

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    17. Re:Nadella's greatest trick by swb · · Score: 1

      I suspect that we're headed totally into rental, but not entirely driven by greed. I think part of it is driven by rapid software changes and immense code bases which defy traditional hard revisioning -- not technically, but the overhead of providing patches just becomes too great.

      I'm also inclined to think that someone is going to figure out how to arbitrage "subscription" software into basically sub-letting subscriptions. Buy enough licenses and enforce micro-rental periods and re-rent the software out to people who want to use it for a day or an hour.

      Actually, at those time periods I kind of like subscription software concepts -- I can use what I need for a small cash outlay and not get invested in more software then I really need. Like renting a truck or something, where you just need to do something once.

    18. Re:Nadella's greatest trick by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The short-term view ("loot it now") isn't recent. It's at least thirty years old, when the boomers weren't dominating top management yet. I'm not clear on how it went, but I do know when.

      As a boomer nearing retirement, a lot of my assets are in stocks (directly and through mutual funds). I want companies to do well over a twenty-year period, so my assets increase. I don't care nearly as much about the next quarter as the next decade.

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  4. Yahoo by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Long before Nokia, Microsoft also tried to acquire Yahoo for a tidy 45 billion dollars They were extremely lucky that Jerry Yang was even more stupid than they were and blocked the deal.
    A few month ago Verizon snapped up the "core Internet assets" for less than 4.5 billion.

    1. Re:Yahoo by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2

      A few month ago Verizon snapped up the "core Internet assets" for less than 4.5 billion.

      And with the breaking Yahoo hacking scandal, are widely regarded as having badly overpaid for it.

    2. Re:Yahoo by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      How much did Microsoft spend in-house developing Bing? Was it more or less than $45bn? How much of the drop in value of Yahoo! was from Microsoft entering the market as a competitor.

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    3. Re:Yahoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and Verizon got fucked as well. Alibaba was their only valuable asset.

    4. Re:Yahoo by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 2

      And with the breaking Yahoo hacking scandal, are widely regarded as having badly overpaid for it.

      They did. However, as part of the deal Yahoo had to agree to take on 50% of any emerging liabilities, so they weren't totally hoodwinked.

    5. Re:Yahoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much did Microsoft spend in-house developing Bing? Was it more or less than $45bn? How much of the drop in value of Yahoo! was from Microsoft entering the market as a competitor.

      And Bing is another also ran. The only thing Bing does better than most is search for porn and show pretty pictures on the home page. And Google used to find porn just as well, before they improved things.

    6. Re:Yahoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Altaba", the holding company for Yahoo's Alibaba stake , is currently worth $60 billion.

      So Microsoft would have made a large profit on the Yahoo deal.

    7. Re:Yahoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why is this shit modded up?

      In 2008, Yahoo had a 40% stake in Alibaba. Alibaba is currently worth $462 Billion. Had Microsoft's offer been successful and they held onto their Alibaba stock, it would now be worth $185 Billion.

      Jerry Yang, who you call "stupid", bought 40% of Alibaba in 2004 for $1 Billion.

    8. Re:Yahoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's an also ran that has 20% market share. I think I'll take 20% of the search business and be very, very, happy.

    9. Re:Yahoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yahoo didn't have a search engine. Well, they did but it never say the light of day because they ended up buying Alta Vista and Inktomi. However, Microsoft had their own search engine prior to their offer to buy Yahoo in 2008. It was developed in 2004 and released in 2005 under the MSN Search brand, which became Live Search and finally Bing. Prior to their own engine, Microsoft relied on a combination of providers under the hood including Alta Vista and Inktomi.

    10. Re:Yahoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least Bing doesn't block me because I apparently did ten 'suspicious' searches today.

      No, seriously. Google presents me with a captcha where it never accepts any answer, just keeps presenting new ones.

    11. Re:Yahoo by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      How much did Microsoft spend in-house developing Bing? Was it more or less than $45bn? How much of the drop in value of Yahoo! was from Microsoft entering the market as a competitor.

      Yahoo!'s value hasn't been in it's search engine since shortly before the turn of the century. Yahoo's value was as a platform - a huge gaming site, a massive email community, a huge business and stock community, the largest photo sharing/social site, etc... etc... The huge drop in Yahoo!'s valuation had very little to do with Microsoft and more to do with other competitors (notably Facebook) slowly chipping away those value centers while Yahoo! flopped and twitched and let it's business be taken away from it practically without a fight. Activist investors concentrating on short term rises in profit rather than long term management of the business didn't help any.

    12. Re:Yahoo by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      I occasionally get that too, even when I haven't searched recently. My only guess that I'm getting lumped in with others behind the ISP's transparent firewall.

  5. Should focus on future tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No more sales on Desktop and Laptop OS, better to just shift to smartwatches or gadgets of tomorrow. Close the OS department and just open source windows, at least that would be a good contribution to mankind. The earlier they do this the better, since MS still has some spare cash at the moment to focus on newer stuff not OS related.

    1. Re:Should focus on future tech by jalbarl25 · · Score: 0

      Yeah, open source Windows. That would help, having 10 competing and incompatible distributions, out of which 3 are "rolling", 3 are "pay for support", 5 still include telemetry, and all are trying to switch between legacy init and systemd, while the sysadmins are bickering about it on /.

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    2. Re:Should focus on future tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The better play would be to produce a Microsoft-branded Linux distro.

  6. Stack ranking was the problem by timholman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Before Nadella breaks a rib patting himself on the back, it should be noted that Microsoft abolished stack ranking of employees just before he took over as CEO. If you want to know why Microsoft employees were at each others' throats, and why morale was so low, you need look no further than Ballmer's favorite process for "improving" employee performance.

    Microsoft could have hired a tree sloth to replace Ballmer, and employee morale would still have improved. It had nowhere to go but up after years of stack ranking.

    1. Re:Stack ranking was the problem by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2

      Before Nadella breaks a rib patting himself on the back, it should be noted that Microsoft abolished stack ranking of employees just before he took over as CEO . . . . Microsoft could have hired a tree sloth to replace Ballmer, and employee morale would still have improved. It had nowhere to go but up after years of stack ranking.

      Mod parent up, this is spot-on. Stack ranking was a huge self-inflicted wound that turned the company into buildings full of back-stabbing schemers.

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    2. Re:Stack ranking was the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I worked at Ford Motor Company for a year and a half. I really didn't think that the "freakonomics" aspect of forced ranking would be so pronounced (having never worked somewhere that does forced stack ranking before or since). Oh. My. God. It is such and uncooperative atmosphere. People who have worked in the same building for 20 years sabotaging each other and hiding information. Credit theft and "kiss up, kick down" is rampant. Bad behavior is often rewarded or at least overlooked come promotion time because it's so prevalent and someone has to fill the new positions that open in the management hierarchy. A lot of the job is getting buy-in from other teams. One of the most common tricks (that takes a new employee about a year to learn) is for a stakeholder to withhold all objections until the 11th hour of someone else's project, then just dump them all out. We're talking about being on email chains and in meetings for months holding their tongue, and when the project is trying to finalize buy-in, coming up with a laundry list of of complaints that just slipped their mind for the previous 6 months, usually complaints that are difficult to impossible to resolve. At best, this can real fuck someone's project up (this happens a lot to the people in advanced or research by the people working on production technology) and at worst it will full-on kill a project. Many people who do this trick (narcissists mostly) are really, REALLY good at it. Their clueless peers and managers have seen it time and again and never quite picked up on it (because they are too busy with their own issues to pay enough attention to see it). I thought "no wonder the auto industry still can't build decent consumer electronics" at least every day (I worked in the "advanced" wing of body electronics in R&D, so understand that even the R&D organization is not immune to the effects of stack ranking). Thank God I left that shithole, and not only for my back's sake (the pricks don't even have office chairs with an adjustable back).

    3. Re:Stack ranking was the problem by mwvdlee · · Score: 2

      Remind me; stack ranking was the process where you only got paid more if your collegues fucked-up, right?

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    4. Re:Stack ranking was the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck employee morale, they can be beaten continuously until it improves.

      Windows 10 is an unmitigated disaster and Nutella needs to be hit in the head by an infamously thrown chair.

    5. Re:Stack ranking was the problem by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No. It's the process where you continue to have a job if you sabotage someone else's.

    6. Re:Stack ranking was the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Remind me; stack ranking was the process where you only got paid more if your collegues fucked-up, right?

      Yes, and more importantly you got fired if one of your colleagues didn't fuck up.

    7. Re:Stack ranking was the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone who worked in Skunkworks for a major DoD contractor, I can assure you that R&D has the same problem with stack rankings. The effort focuses on "fix the blame, not fix the problem."

    8. Re:Stack ranking was the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It predated Ballmer though.

    9. Re:Stack ranking was the problem by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      I suspect that wasn't the only problem, or just the most visible of a number of problems of inept company management not being able to handle the transition from startup to multinational.

    10. Re:Stack ranking was the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Stack rankings means the bottom 10% of employees, as voted by their manager(s) and peers, are canned.

      In theory, over time you end up with the best employees. In reality, you get a bunch of office politics and pissed-off workers looking for something more stable.

    11. Re:Stack ranking was the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > pricks don't even have office chairs with an adjustable back

      Chairs are such a problem here now. Since I'm over [redacted] pounds, I have to have a special chair. I'm also not allowed to sit in normal chairs so I have to roll my "fat chair" to meetings. It's humiliating.

      At least I have a chair. When I started here at Microsoft, I had to stand for almost two weeks since the fat chairs were backordered. Things are a little better now, but onboarded two guys this week that are sitting on the floor in a hallway. We don't have desks or even chairs for them.

    12. Re: Stack ranking was the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Creimer we all know how much you weigh. 350 pounds. You've told us 10000x times.

      Now go back to your desk and scarf down a cliffbar. I heard they are good for you.

    13. Re:Stack ranking was the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is one of those utopian models, like communism, that works perfectly until you add stupid, greedy, and egocentric homo sapiens.

    14. Re:Stack ranking was the problem by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      No. It's the process where you continue to have a job if you sabotage someone else's.

      Exactly. All it lead to was backstabbing and sabotaging of other people's projects. Stack ranking essentially says that no matter how good you are, you'll be fired if you're in a lower percentile.

      You could literally have a team of 20 outstanding developers (or whatever) and you'd still have to fire several of them "just because". It was a stupid fucking scheme.

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    15. Re:Stack ranking was the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stack ranking still exists, its called 0 rewards. At the end of the fiscal year leadership gets in a room to do a merit calibration to decide bonuses. The backstabbing happens here.

      There is always someone who inevitably gets 0 rewards which puts you on the short list to be RIF'ed (reduction in force) and it also puts a black mark on your record preventing you from switching teams internally without high-level approval.

    16. Re:Stack ranking was the problem by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      It's also a very clear signal that the company doesn't give a rat's ass about you. It endorses the idea that employees should look after their own welfare first and the company's welfare maybe third or ninety-second. It makes it futile to try to assemble an excellent team, since you'll just have to fire some really good people.

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    17. Re:Stack ranking was the problem by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      It doesn't work perfectly even in theory. Even if you start with a workforce that has some genuine ballast, and more than 10% of it, after a few rounds, you're firing genuinely productive employees to replace them with presumably even more productive ones... but at some point you're going to hit a cap based on how much you're actually willing to pay. At that point, you're just firing 10% most unlucky ones for a given time period. Worse yet, because everyone knows that they can get into that 10%, morale is universally low regardless of performance, and even the high-performing and high-rewarded employees don't have much loyalty.

  7. If you want proof they've changed by DeplorableCodeMonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Exhibit A: .NET Core.
    Exhibit B: VS Code
    Exhibit C: SQL Server for Linux--in a Docker container.
    Exhibit D: Ubuntu for Windows.
    Exhibit E: Microsoft happily sells well-supported Linux to cloud customers and contributes back to ensure Linux provides what their customers need.

    10 years ago, Ballmer would have probably fired an executive who proposed this plan. Today, being a second coming of Gates or Ballmer would probably be a "career limiting move." Microsoft has pretty much "gotten with the program."

    I just wish that Nadella would aggressively pursue the phone market again, but this time by making Windows installable on Android phones a la Sailfish X. Unlike Jolla, they have the resources to pay and/or strong-arm most Android vendors to permanently unlock their bootloaders. And what's the government going to say to that? It's bad for consumers to have Microsoft aggressively pursuing opening up the hardware? A federal judge would look at Microsoft's opponent like they're nuts.

    1. Re:If you want proof they've changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I give you Exhibit F:

      WINDOWS 10 ;-P

    2. Re:If you want proof they've changed by StormReaver · · Score: 4, Insightful

      [examples snipped]

      All of those are half-assed, at best, and are carefully targeted to not overlap with Windows sales. In fact, they are targeted specifically to tie into required Windows licenses.

      Also, it will take a century of full-bore apologizing to even begin to make up for Microsoft's past (and current) behavior.

      NEVER trust Microsoft. EVER!

    3. Re:If you want proof they've changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looking at all your exhibits, I don't see how they've changed from benefiting their stockholders to benefiting humanity. More non-free software and mostly-exclusive platform.

    4. Re:If you want proof they've changed by QuietLagoon · · Score: 2

      You forgot at least one more: Exhibit F: Massive collection of customer data.

    5. Re:If you want proof they've changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just wish that Nadella would aggressively pursue the phone market again, but this time by making Windows installable on Android phones a la Sailfish X. Unlike Jolla, they have the resources to pay and/or strong-arm most Android vendors to permanently unlock their bootloaders. And what's the government going to say to that? It's bad for consumers to have Microsoft aggressively pursuing opening up the hardware? A federal judge would look at Microsoft's opponent like they're nuts.

      I don't think MS has the credibility to make another phone. They've tried and created something crap too many times and scrapped it. Buying into a cellular ecosystem is an investment (phones cost hundreds of dollars and only get replaced every year or two). There's simply no consumer trust at this point to get past the chicken and the egg situation of having no ecosystem for the phones they can't sell without an ecosystem they can't build without phones in consumers' hands.

    6. Re:If you want proof they've changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You list a lot of examples of Microsoft trying to Embrace Linux. A technique introduced by Bill Gates himself.

      The only thing that has changed is your personal belief that they won't move on to phase 2: Extend this time.

    7. Re: If you want proof they've changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pfft

      More like

      Exhibit: EEE

    8. Re:If you want proof they've changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ah Slashdot, where it is insightful to act like it's still the 90s!

    9. Re:If you want proof they've changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looking at the reactions here, there is nothing Microsoft could do that would be good enough.
      They could have the cure for Cancer and people here would bitch that they're only doing it to have more people to buy Microsoft products.

    10. Re:If you want proof they've changed by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      Not true. If Microsoft stopped producing spyware and started behaving like a trustworthy company, I would absolutely praise them.

    11. Re:If you want proof they've changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You list a lot of examples of Microsoft trying to Embrace Linux. A technique introduced by Bill Gates himself.

      The only thing that has changed is your personal belief that they won't move on to phase 2: Extend this time.

      Microsoft doesn't support Linux!
      Vendor Lock-in! M$ is evil!!!

      Microsoft supports Linux!
      Embrace Extend Extinguish! M$ is evil!!!

    12. Re:If you want proof they've changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "secure it all" people are still there being fascist pigs. They need to be replaced with "fuck the NSA" people. After all, it's a scientific fact that 9-11 was an inside job. ae911truth dot org

    13. Re:If you want proof they've changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ah Slashdot, where it is insightful to act like it's still the 90s!

      You're right.

      They're openly shipping a consumer OS filled with spyware. One they literally tricked people into installing, no less. And that's just for starters. They're worse than before, since they're trying to make up for lost time.

      Thank you for the sobering reminder that Microsoft is worse than ever, and wants to reclaim what it views as rightfully its domain. Your comment should serve as a constant reminder that Microsoft can never be trusted. You are insightful in underlining their invasiveness and blatant disregard for its customers on top of general decency, using its monopolistic weight in ways that it could have only dreamed when Windows 95 rolled out.

    14. Re:If you want proof they've changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      [examples snipped]

      All of those are half-assed, at best, and are carefully targeted to not overlap with Windows sales. In fact, they are targeted specifically to tie into required Windows licenses.

      Also, it will take a century of full-bore apologizing to even begin to make up for Microsoft's past (and current) behavior.

      NEVER trust Microsoft. EVER!

      Exhibit A: .NET Core.(no Windows license)
      Exhibit B: VS Code ( no Windows license )
      Exhibit C: SQL Server for Linux--in a Docker container.(no Windows license )
      Exhibit D: Ubuntu for Windows.(Windows license) but you download it for free from Cannoical
      Exhibit E: Microsoft happily sells well-supported Linux to cloud customers and contributes back to ensure Linux provides what their customers need (No Windows license )

      Your point?

    15. Re:If you want proof they've changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah Slashdot, where it is insightful to act like it's still the 90s!

      One does not need to look any further back than Windows 10, let alone the millennium or 90s.

    16. Re:If you want proof they've changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In fact, they are targeted specifically to tie into required Windows licenses.

      Please explain this assertion as it relates to .NET Core and VS Code.

    17. Re:If you want proof they've changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Definitely a Trump voter!

    18. Re:If you want proof they've changed by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      Counterpoints: Windows 10 Forced Upgrades

      Edge makes itself the default browser despite settings.

      While MS no longer treats Linux as a hostile competitor as Linux is rather unavoidable now, that doesn't mean MS isn't up to some of their tricks.

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    19. Re:If you want proof they've changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And proof they haven't changed:

      - Windows 10 spyware
      - MO-365 lock-in worse than ever
      - Still extorting patent fees from Android
      - Still pushing the closed MOOXML format and not supporting the open ODF format

      Maybe if they try changing something REAL, like going fully in on ODF, instead of the nibbling around the edges examples you cited that benefit Microsoft and only Microsoft, people might believe this constant repeated ad nauseum propaganda meme that Microsoft has somehow changed.

      No, they haven't.

    20. Re:If you want proof they've changed by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      Looking at all your exhibits, I don't see how they've changed from benefiting their stockholders to benefiting humanity. More non-free software and mostly-exclusive platform.

      Exactly what sort of bizarre standard are you holding Microsoft up to? Benefiting humanity has nothing to do with ANY for-profit corporation. They exist to earn a profit - nothing more. I think a corporation is doing pretty damn good if it's not being slimy (i.e. Uber). Simply trying to earn an honest profit by creating valuable services and products and selling them at a reasonable price is a paragon of virtue for a corporation. Don't expect anything more than that, except for charity donations for PR purposes.

      So, you're correct that points A to E have nothing to do with benefiting humanity - it was what their customers wanted. Those were simply smart business decisions that are embracing, rather than fighting against, new market realities. That is, the role of the PC is waning while cloud and mobile are advancing, where Linux and open source have more significant inroads.

      The way I see it, Microsoft has two really big black marks under Nadella. First, they way they tried to ham-handedly trick Windows 7 and 8 users into upgrading was inexcusable. Second, Windows 10 didn't respect user's privacy enough regarding telemetry, updates (slightly improved, but still not great), and advertising.

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    21. Re:If you want proof they've changed by ravnous · · Score: 2

      It's no secret that Azure is their big money-maker now. The fact that all these technologies integrate better with Azure than with other cloud platforms shouldn't surprise anybody. Microsoft still exists to make money. But they're not throwing monkey wrenches into the products either. I'm currently working on a weekend project using ASP.Net core that I plan on running on Google as docker containers. I'm using Visual Studio to develop, writing my code in C#, and planning on deploying to GCP. Yes, there was a little pain in getting everything set up. What, you want Microsoft to give you a roadmap on how to set up your environment to run your product on a competitor's cloud platform? I don't expect that.

      There's a HUGE difference in what they're doing now and what they did before. Before it was impossible, or expensive, to run a .Net project on any other platform besides Azure. Now, it's very do-able, and it's left Azure to compete on its merits, rather than because the tools just didn't work anywhere else. And I think Azure is pretty good, and is getting better all the time. But when it comes to cloud, I'm team GCP, and admittedly, it would take a much better value proposition to get me to switch. I do feel that their developer tools (C# as a language, .Net as a platform, and Visual Studio as an IDE) are the best around, and am thrilled that I get to use my favorite developer tools to deploy product to my favorite cloud platform, which happen to be owned by two different, competing companies. Not only that, but they also allow for plug-ins to Visual Studio that allow someone like Google to provide tools to make it easier to develop for their cloud platform.

      One of my favorite podcasts is .Net Rocks, and they have ads on their show that talk about deploying .Net projects to GCP. It's a crazy world. As the GP said, if someone had proposed this 10 years ago, I imagine a mushroom cloud would have erupted out the top of Steve Ballmer's dome.

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    22. Re: If you want proof they've changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Embrace, extend, extinguish.

      That's his point.

    23. Re:If you want proof they've changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Malware-like upgrade tricks.

    24. Re:If you want proof they've changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget the frivolous Intellectual Property lawsuits. The many little taxes on innovation.

    25. Re:If you want proof they've changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NEVER trust Microsoft. EVER!

      You can add to that: never trust any company. Sometimes you can trust people in the company, but not the company.

      I know people who trust Microsoft: they buy Windows Phones, built a lot of software in Silverlight, and think Microsoft Labs invented code contracts. They get burned over and over, and yet keep buying into the platform. Why? Because of fear: they are afraid they won't be able to understand anything outside the Windows ecosystem.

    26. Re:If you want proof they've changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      + refusing to respect user's will for file type associations. If the edge or Microsoft picture and video viewers were so great, why did the user install replacement at first place? Will MS get goodwill if it gives a dialog every time one clicks a html link telling "It seems you selected otherwise, but will you anyway use Edge for html now and forever, ?"

    27. Re:If you want proof they've changed by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      When did anyone call Microsoft evil for not supporting Linux?

    28. Re:If you want proof they've changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly this. Never, ever, ever trust Microsoft. You have to be an idiot to trust Microsoft. The history of the computer industry is littered with the dessicated bodies of both rivals and customers that Microsoft sucked dry of money, employees and dignity.

    29. Re: If you want proof they've changed by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      The EEE strategy requires the "extend" part to be proprietary, in order to execute the "extinguish" part successfully. Otherwise, the attempt to extinguish simply results in a fork.

  8. Delusional Indian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft is going down and fast, this is just posturing to try to make people believe there is hope left for the corrupt company. Its core business is dying fast, it has failed to reinvent itself, and it has failed to make late inroads into future revenue opportunitites. This is the exact definition of a walking dead company. Sure it may take quite a few years but the panic is starting to set in and employees are walking away slowly for now but this too will get faster. In a few years time you will look back and say, yes it started late 2000's but most at the moment are blind to this.

  9. Vomit-inducing by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Hit Refresh: The Quest to Rediscover Microsoft's Soul and Imagine a Better Future for Everyone."

    The title is enough to make me puke up my lunch.

    "Save us, Satan Nutella, you're our only hope!"

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    1. Re:Vomit-inducing by Chrisq · · Score: 2

      Agree. It will rank with Google's "do no evil" as one of the least appropriate company taglines of all time.

    2. Re:Vomit-inducing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Microsoft is only a company - companies don't have souls. And NO, for the last time, companies are not "persons" either.
      If the CEO has been on a "quest" to "rediscover" something that doesn't exist, and writes a whole BOOK about it, then he's simply a fiction author.
      And has too much masturbation time on his hands, or perhaps his job description is subtitled "Flagrant Propagandist".
      Microsoft's executive team aren't trying to "imagine a better future for everyone" either - they're only trying to implement a better future for their own personal selves. Share prices, salaries, bonuses, glory and parachutes.
      For fuck's sake, people, how stupid and forgetful do you think the tech community really are?
      MS has been lying, stealing and destroying since they got started.

      "Hit Refresh" indeed - I'd prefer to hit UNDO enough times to go all the way back to CP/M, thanks.

    3. Re:Vomit-inducing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Hit Refresh: The Quest to Re-engineer Microsoft's Public Perception and Secure Increased Profits for Shareholders."

    4. Re:Vomit-inducing by Wintermute__ · · Score: 1

      People always misquote this, it was "Don't Be Evil", not "Do No Evil". See, you can still do some pretty Evil shit, and still claim to not "Be" evil. Your point still stands, however, and then some.

  10. Too bad now Apple by ReneR · · Score: 1

    is getting sick. The usual monopoly in some category illness. Sigh.

  11. Sick is right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any other company that put something like Windows 8 on the market would have been bankrupt by now. Wrapping Cortana into Windows 10 and making it difficult to remove is yet another big mess. I've got a pile of PC's at my house, and only one runs Win10... and suffers for it. Here is a concept... turn out good products.

  12. Flawed reasoning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Microsoft shares have doubled since he took the top job in early 2014"
    And so has almost every other share. This could be due to the flawed computer trading programs that are now grossly over rating the stock market.

    1. Re:Flawed reasoning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crash in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ....

  13. Was? by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Behind the scenes, MS still is under the influence of the same guys as usual. MS is just riding the storm and biding its time, until it can show its true colors again. Trust MS at your own peril.

    1. Re:Was? by quax · · Score: 1

      Most concerning to me, is that they pour billions into owning the quantum computing space, locking up the future of computing.

      They will patent troll the heck out of it.

  14. M$ is changing its astroturfing strategies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At M$ the new boss will not be any different as the old bosses such as Sweaty B. The new boss will still use the old tactics such as embrace, extend, extinguish to get rid of said competition. M$ even instructs their astroturfers such as transporter_ii to even somewhat acknowledge that a monopoly existed only to say "they're not as evil" when in fact M$ is still just as evil and manipulative just as they always have been.

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    1. Re:M$ is changing its astroturfing strategies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      At M$ the new boss will not be any different as the old bosses such as Sweaty B

      Dammit now all I can think about is what a Steve Ballmer rap album would sound like.

    2. Re: M$ is changing its astroturfing strategies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And damnit, now that's in my head!!

  15. hiring "learn-it-alls" instead of "know-it-alls" by Hognoxious · · Score: 0

    hiring "learn-it-alls" instead of "know-it-alls"

    They do that? I thought they hired "do-the-needfuls", "make-it-ups" and "sod-it-we'll-fix-it-in-the-next-service-packs".

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  16. This happens to a LOT of corporations by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    Microsoft is no different... IBM, XEROX, the U.S. Automobile corporations, Apple... When you get "big", sometimes the "top" has NO IDEA what the "bottom" is going through. The top will say we want X, and the bottom will say how the hell are we suppose to do that? And the top "suits" just say do it.

  17. First step to recovery by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    when MS hired him?

    Probably something like the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem...

    Microsoft is a company that found two of the most amazing cash cows of all time and rode them hard. The problem is that the market started to move on without them as markets are wont to do to companies that are too busy milking their cash cows to be bothered worrying about finding the next one. Microsoft's business tactics made sense during Gates era as CEO but about 10-15 years ago they should have been moving onward to the next thing while Balmer was CEO. Microsoft could possibly have dominated mobile but they were too busy protecting Windows and Office and built a toxic company culture to protect those products. The good news for Microsoft is that they have SO much cash that they can screw up a lot before it becomes an existential problem. They could even just buy their way into another industry wholesale if they had to (they have enough cash to buy both Ford and GM) so that hides a lot of flaws that would otherwise have investors screaming.

    1. Re:First step to recovery by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      Microsoft could possibly have dominated mobile

      Unlikely, because...

      they were too busy protecting Windows and Office and built a toxic company culture to protect those products.

      Microsoft built a reputation for being a bully that would bulldoze anything they perceived as competition. They would wedge themselves into a market by using underhand tactics and decimate quality players with back room deals. No one with a clue was going to let Microsoft into the mobile market any more than they had to. The response of the world has basically been, "You have the PC OS and Word. Stay there."

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      Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
  18. It's all about the baseline... by The+Cynical+Critic · · Score: 1

    Seems to me like Nadella is not really any different from other corporate CEOs in that he really likes to take credit for when other people's clear mistakes are overturned and it's just the results starting to come in when they're in charge.

    After Ballmer, who I don't think ever actually got the hang of running a post-90s tech company, there really was no direction but up. Balmer still thought that their brand carried way more value than what it actually did and thus ended up squandering huge amounts of money on projects like WP7 and WP8 that never really went anywhere because of simply being too little, too late. The man clearly thought that they were going to be able to repeat what happened with the original PC, i.e a "too little - too late" platform that otherwise should have failed turned into a success because of who was behind it. The way I see it, Microsoft would probably have seen the exact same results had Nadella just let the company do whatever it wanted.

    In all seriousness, any real assessment on Nadella's performance should start roughly around now, when the taint of Ballmer is (mostly) gone, and continue until he resigns himself or if he's made to resign for one reason or another.

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  19. India Today says by boudie2 · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's a much better company since the guy from India started running it. When asked for details of Microsoft's sickness, Nadella described it as a particularly virulent form of Ballmeritis.

  20. A good read by Ian.Waring · · Score: 2

    Finished reading "Hit Refresh" by Satya Nadella. On the one hand, learnt that Hololens had difficulty getting funding for some time, with the dev team renaming it as "Project Baraboo" as a piece of gallows humour. It's a town in Wisconsin, home to a Clown and Circus Museum. OTOH, lack of lifetime learning opportunities, the pervasiveness of zero hours contracts, trade deals up in air and rent seeking serves only to undermine our future as a nation (i'm in the UK FWIW). Politicians of all stripes should read the last two chapters; probably the best articulation of building for the future since Eric Schmidts interview with the Queen of Jordan. Good read.

  21. Better future for everyone? by JohnFen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If Windows 10 represents Microsoft's idea of what a "better future for everyone" looks like, that's an excellent indication that Microsoft is still sick.

    1. Re:Better future for everyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WinWhat? Happily running Ubuntu Linux with XCFE, Chrome for Netflix, Steam for games and keep working.
      At work, I go off-cloud with LibreOffice and do more and more in Linux/UNIX. When "they" are after you, it becomes a game of sorts to circumvent and keep your soul.

  22. Microsoft has a soul!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who knew?

  23. Microsoft is STILL sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They're laying off tens of thousand of people in the USA while bringing in tons of L1 visa holders from their Vancouver office.

  24. Was... hahaha by XSportSeeker · · Score: 2

    Was sick. Heh.
    If Microsoft was sick back when they got Nokia I'd still rather have the lightly sick Microsoft than the pestilence ridden with Windows 10S bullshit, "telemetry" pile of crap with weak excuses that Microsoft has become.
    Windows Phones are dead now, XBox One is a weaker platform than XBox 360 was, the entire Surface line is either a continuation of past products or new models that are not selling well, the company is losing evangelists as a whole in recent years.
    If your fucking grand plan for Microsoft's future is to continue insisting on the piss poor Microsoft Store, on overpriced devices with half backed OS ideas, on privacy erosion, opaqueness, aggressive anti consumer practices for updating to Windows 10, and more of that crap, the only people "believing" in the future of Microsoft are your board members Nadella.
    For the first time in my entire Windows based computing life I decided to delve a bit deeper into Linux, keep a secondary device with Ubuntu, and move most of my stuff to NAS storage devices. It's the one era of Microsoft that is truly making me consider switching to something else.
    I'm not seeing anything in recent years that came close to what Bill or even Ballmer did. Their eras might have had several misshaps, but they all had very strong accomplishments. Keep in mind that Windows 7 was from the Ballmer era. All the crap that came after it was Nadella. He might have created an internal culture of happy people living in a bubble who cannot see the needs and interests of their clients, but that's all that is.
    Augmented reality, which for some stupid reason Microsoft decided to call Mixed Reality when it's really not, is late to the game and has a very weak showing. It's not competing with anything that's out there right now, be it on price for AR in smartphones or in capabilities with Oculus Rift or HTC Vive for PC. It's as late to the game as Windows Phone was, and it'll eventually die off in the same way.
    The stuff that sets it apart from the competition is priced so high that no one can afford it - Hololens. It was the first to show up, and it's still at prototype stage.
    AI talks are coming mostly from Google these days, and "futuristic computing" is just a blanket term that has no concrete feel for the vast majority of consumers.

    But indeed, it's to be expected from the current CEO to think so highly of himself while failing to see what the company had best in the past. It's showing on Microsoft software and products. And if things keep going this way, it'll be the whole reason why I'll quit being a costumer once and for all.

    1. Re:Was... hahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Talk is cheap short, the stock if you believe Microsoft's future prospects are poor.

  25. Itâ(TM)s only going to get worse. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whatâ(TM)s next in next yearâ(TM)s Windows 10 update? Lots of user friendly and productivity increasing features!

    Want to install chrome? Get ready for your computer to growl at you anytime you try and switch from Edge.

    Sick of trying to decide whether you need to buy a shitty phone game that doesnâ(TM)t make sense to play on a desktop? No worries, itâ(TM)s mandatory to enter your credit card info just to set up a user account on a pc. Weâ(TM)ll just purchase all these phone games for you that youâ(TM)d never play and fill your start menu with them despite a sane person only owning computer for A. Doing legitimate work or B. Playing legitimate games.

    Tired of having only one control panel? Not to worry, weâ(TM)ve added a second one and we plan on adding a third thatâ(TM)s even less functional and more confusing than the last! Be prepared to have no idea where to go to make simple changes that were a no brainer in windows 7!

    Do you like lugging around an ultra book and using it for things that a phone is clearly better suited for? Well guess what, we fired all of our UI designers and hired a team of interns with cool haircuts to design all these modern features that you will never conceivably use and serve no other purpose than to make you feel cool while everyone around you thinks youâ(TM)re a gigantic ass!

  26. Was!? by MotherErich · · Score: 1

    I thought Microsoft has always been and always will be "sick". It certainly isn't healthy right now.

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    You have to be smarter than the machine you're working with.
  27. MMDV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are viable alternatives. For 99% of users (which includes me), Google Apps will do as well as MS Word. ...I have Libre Office to work with the occasional docx file sent by customers.

    I have Libre Office to work with the occasional docx file sent by customers. ...YMMV, but I think viable alternatives already exists and have existed for a long time.

    The problem is people insisting on needing a specific WordArt effect or other feature which would take slightly more effort to do in the alternatives. Few people actually require all the power features, they're just used to them.

    MMDV (MM Does Vary.) In an attempt to escape the Microsoft tax, and OS spyware, I have made extended attempts to use Libre Office. It simply doesn't do things I need or does them wrong. E.g., Excel gave me different answers for how much tax I owe per the wonderful Glenn Reeves Federal income tax spreadsheet template. (Libre said $1,300 more.) Granted, many of my applications are esoteric, but the tax spreadsheet issue demonstrates Libre Office is a landmine for all, not just a Word Art diddling issue.

  28. Why is a hindu-chimp at the helm ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is he stacking M$ with H1-B's ?

    1. Re:Why is a hindu-chimp at the helm ? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Great. MS outsourced outsourcing to India to an Indian.

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    2. Re:Why is a hindu-chimp at the helm ? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Replacing Ballmer with Nadella is a good argument in favor of outsourcing management!

    3. Re:Why is a hindu-chimp at the helm ? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      And it's the perfect poster for how outsourcing works. You replace fat, lazy domestic fucks with clueless idiots from abroad who have no idea how our culture works.

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  29. Most people aren't surprised by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For anyone who was following MS then, it's not a surprise. The stacked ranking system created so much in-fighting and division, it's more surprising that anything got done. It also set up a system where division was favored over cooperation. One of aspects of it was that you could only have a person graded as an "A", two "B"s, and the rest of the people were "C"s on any given team. So good employees avoided working with other good employees because they would get mediocre or sub-par reviews even if they did stellar work. Also teams actively sabotaged each other.

    Case in point: The Kin. When MS bought out Danger, the company had a loyal following of phone customers for their Sidekicks especially among teens for texting. Originally Danger's plan was to incrementally update the OS and phones when they were bought out. That would have taken 6 months.

    However, Danger OS used Java which would never be allowed at MS. The entire OS had to be replaced with Windows CE. The project was independent of the Windows devices division who felt they should have had control of it. Rumors are that they openly refused to assist and actively sabotaged the project. So Project Pink had to redo the whole OS and any apps in a platform without the benefit of the platform curators and creators. Delays turned the 6 months into 18 months. Because of the delays, deals that MS made with carriers were no longer honored and MS had to make new deals. Also at 18 months, most of the formerly loyal customers had moved onto other phones.

    The result was the predictable disaster that was the Kin. It was buggy. It was missing features that other phones had that were deemed vital. It required an expensive data plan. It was pricey. Few teens (which was the targeted demographic) wanted it. The rumor is that only 500 phones were sold before MS killed the project. It cost MS $1B to buy Danger and develop the Kin.

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    1. Re:Most people aren't surprised by bzipitidoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What's with the management at big companies that so many could think stack ranking was a good idea?

      It shows that management doesn't know the first thing about managing. How could they be so utterly incompetent at it? Did they skip business management in college, skip college altogether, think they don't need no book learning? How could such people be chosen for management? I can think of several ways: Nepotism, favoritism, Good Old Boys Club, and groupthink in mistaking clueless, pushy loudmouths as go-getters, and still adhering to the religion of The Stick, that is, trying to push people into being more productive with threats, employing slave-driving tactics. Yeah, that worked so great for the Confederacy. Memo to management: the Confederacy lost the war.

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    2. Re:Most people aren't surprised by JohnFen · · Score: 2

      What's with the management at big companies that so many could think stack ranking was a good idea?

      The same sort of brain damage that makes them think Agile is a great idea.

    3. Re:Most people aren't surprised by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Stacked ranking was designed for one scenario: If the company has gotten too large and needs to trim so fat. Then a year or two of stanked ranking helps reduce the waste and extraneous layers of management and personnel. It was not designed to be permanent which MS did.

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    4. Re:Most people aren't surprised by Magnus+Pym · · Score: 2

      Stack Ranking was a concept popularized by `Neutron Jack Welch' of GE fame who could do no wrong in the eighties and nineties. After he left GE, it lagged, and folks figured out that GE had succeeded by borrowing from the future just like many other US companies of the time, and many of Jack Welch's mantras were full of shit. So orgs are dropping his `20-70-10' and other tenets one after the other.

    5. Re:Most people aren't surprised by WhoBeDaPlaya · · Score: 1

      You can thank that fucktard at GM that everyone seems to workship (Jack Welch)

    6. Re:Most people aren't surprised by JohnFen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How is it not a malicious and damaging thing to do even if its solely used the way that you describe?

      It seems to me that the result of it will be that you'll just keep the best backstabbers and most politically savvy people and lose the ones who, while they may be truly excellent in their jobs, are too "nice" or don't have the stomach for political gamesmanship.

    7. Re:Most people aren't surprised by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Because it was in with the cool buzzwords just like Ruby on Rails and node.js are ubercool in the slashdot crowd.

      Also it creates fear and gives an excuse to fire somone they don't like for no reason at all without liability. Oh wait? You think they get stacked? HA! That is for the COG peasants like YOU. Many feel if you are not a VP you are lazy and have issues and need to have an eye on in case you are incompetent etc.

  30. Irrelevant, Microsoft cannot be trusted. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Irrelevant, Microsoft cannot be trusted, regardless of any other company.

    It can be both.

  31. No, It's STILL Broken... by CAOgdin · · Score: 1

    ...they STILL can't produce a product that will properly and reliably update itself when defects are identified and updates issued. The persistent internal corruption of it's own code/data arrangements are legendary. Without third-party programs for repair (e.g., those at Tweaking.com, including "Windows Repair"), I'd've had to give up many good end-user applications and migrate to Liniux...and my family would have to start all over, learning the ideosyncracies of a FREE product.

    This book, and the companion "interview tour" is nothing but TRUMP -level self-aggrandizement, trying to convince people of things that simply aren't true. Simple example: I called Microsoft tech support last week to find out why Outlook was hiding my Appointments (but the calendar showed, with bold letters, the appointments were there to be viewed!). I asked the agent, politely, to transfer me to someone who could speak English...his was broken, and deeply accented, and I had to keep asking him to repeat himself. He promised to have someone call me back in 10 minutes. Needless to say, of course, I never got any callback; he just blew this paying customer off.

    Microsoft is STILL broken, Mr. Nadella, and you're trying to convince us you're better to salve your own ego. No, you're the same "better than thou" company you've always been since Balmer destroyed your culture!

    1. Re:No, It's STILL Broken... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I promise I'll get help and I'll get better..

      Captcha: behavior

  32. So he opened the first envelope by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    The one that says "blame predecessor".

    I give him half a year to a year to the "reorganize" one.

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  33. Microsoft 'Still Is Sick' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Satya is sorely mistaken if he thinks he righted the ship.

  34. ageism dog whistles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're just dog whistles for age discrimination.

    When MBAs say "learn it alls", they mean "young people with no life commitments outside the office"; when they say "know it alls", they mean "middle aged and older people".

  35. MS is sick and in pain by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 2

    So just put it down? You'd do the same for your dog if it was suffering.

    1. Re:MS is sick and in pain by JohnFen · · Score: 2

      The difference is that I love my dog.

  36. Their products sure were a lot better then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not sure how they were "sick" when they were dominating the world, and employees were "tired of losing". Meanwhile, they haven't had a true success in ages. I plan to keep shorting them just as I keep shorting Apple, because neither are actually innovating anymore.

  37. God and Cthulu bless you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For being a critical thinker

  38. 17 to ~23 isn't double. Compare Lenovo, HP, Dell by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > "Microsoft shares have doubled since he took the top job in early 2014"
    > And so has almost every other share.

    Not by a long shot.

    The Dow was at about 17,000 in early 2014. It's now a bit below 23. Nasdaq went from 4,300 to 6,600. Microsoft went from $38 to $76.
    So Microsoft has significantly outperformed other companies generally.

      Compare Microsoft to the other leaders of the PC industry from 2014. The top three PC makers in 2014 were Lenovo, Dell, and HP. Lenovo has last half it's value. Dell went private to deal with "significant issues", and HP Inc dropped from $29 to $20.

  39. Was? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But they're fine now, sure.

  40. Spyware is the right direction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What in the hell did I just read.....

    In addition, they expect developers to covert all their apps to UWP with no real benefit seeing as how non-PC windows devices are pretty much a failure

  41. Microsoft abuse. Why top managers from India? by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    Microsoft's history is filled with abuse:

    One fact about Microsoft under Satya Nadella gives a useful overall view. Windows 10 is possibly the worst spyware ever made. Quote: "Buried in the service agreement is permission to poke through everything on your PC." Nadella has been CEO of Microsoft since 2014.

    The management of Microsoft by Satya Nadella seems, to me and many others, UTTERLY incompetent: CNET Editor Rails Against Non-Consensual Windows Updates.

    Possibly Satya Nadella was chosen as CEO of Microsoft partly because he was the least socially annoying manager.

    Microsoft has a long history of being abusive to everyone, not just customers. Microsoft Is Filled With Abusive Managers And Overworked Employees, Says Tell-All Book.

    Ballmer was worse?

    Satya Nadella is apparently not as destructive as Steve Ballmer. Ballmer was rated the worst CEO in the United States.

    Quote from an article in Forbes Magazine about Steve Ballmer: "Without a doubt, Mr. Ballmer is the worst CEO of a large publicly traded American company today." Another quote: "The reach of his bad leadership has extended far beyond Microsoft when it comes to destroying shareholder value -- and jobs." (May 12, 2012)

    Bill Gates still manages Microsoft:

    See the Jan. 27, 2017 Charlie Rose TV interview, Bill Gates and Warren Buffett. Quoting from the transcript:

    08:40 Charlie Rose: How much time do you spend at Microsoft?

    08:42 Bill Gates: I'm there about 15 percent of the time. And I get to work just on the R and D part.

    Part of "R and D" at Microsoft is Windows 10 putting ads on screens while people are in their offices trying to work. The Microsoft managers who participated in that are amazingly lacking in social ability, in my opinion.

    Microsoft's primary location, Seattle, is a miserable place:

    Traffic: Seattle one of the worst U.S. cities for traffic congestion, tied with NYC (March 31, 2015) Quote: "An additional 23 minutes a day spent in traffic may not sound like much, but when it adds up over a year it becomes 89 hours." (Whoever wrote that must be accustomed to Seattle misery. An additional 23 minutes a day spent in traffic sounds HORRIBLE.)

    Slow internet: Many areas of Seattle have poor internet connections. See the article, These places have the slowest Internet in the country. (June 25, 2015) Quote: "... Seattle ... CenturyLink (CTL) customers trying to access particular sites from 9 p.m. to 10 p.m. will have unbearably slow speeds."

    Google is also badly managed.

    To me, the management of Google seems less and less competent. Wikipedia says Sundar Pichai, CEO of Google was given that position in October 24, 2015. The reorganization of Google into Alphabet was completed on October 2,

  42. Maybe in a decade... by HiThere · · Score: 1

    Microsoft has been a sociopath for so long that it's going to take time without vile actions before I'll trust them. Public speeches don't do anything for me, because they've outright lied too often in the past.

    Maybe after a decade of good behavior I'll trust them. But actions speak a lot louder than words. And corrupting standards is nearly unforgivable.

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    1. Re:Maybe in a decade... by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      Microsoft has been a sociopath

      In all fairness, if we're going to assign human traits to corporations, then all corporations are sociopaths.

    2. Re:Maybe in a decade... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Most of them, yes, but there are degrees and degrees.

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  43. Stay in school kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Innovate through other brands. Buy or build, but don't risk your Mainstream brand on the 80% failure that are new product innovations. MS destroyed their brand a long time ago. Uneducated children won't change that, because MS is still hell bent on innovating, something it has a poor record of doing.

  44. Microsoft didn't miss that by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    that was the entire point of Windows 8 + Windows Mobile: To get back users flocking to Android and iOS. The idea was to lock the user in with a single familiar interface on all their devices, including their workstation PCs. They just failed. Rather spectacularly.

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  45. They are worried about the next one by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    they spent billions on a push into mobile, tablet and even console gaming. The trouble is nobody liked the Win8 UI and even if they did developers didn't trust the Windows Store (why should they give Microsoft a 30% cut like they do with Apple if they don't have to?).

    Microsoft is aware they're getting their rears handed to them on phone/tablet. They're just not sure what to do about it.

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  46. I don't care about WordArt by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    but I do care about compatibility. When I send my resume to somebody in *.docx format I know for sure it's properly formatted. The world's a ridiculously competitive place. Having my resume be a little less readable can be the difference between me getting the job and somebody else.

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    1. Re:I don't care about WordArt by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      No, you don't. Use PDF.

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    2. Re:I don't care about WordArt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You send your resume in docx? Sorry, you're doing it wrong.

      I haven't been sent a docx resume in quite a few years. They're always pdf now. And I have to say, although I'm sure my HR department and recruiters don't care either way, as a technical manager if I received two resumes in docs and pdf that were otherwise identical and I needed to pick one, the person with the pdf would get the interview.

    3. Re:I don't care about WordArt by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      I was going to say this, too. I haven't seen a resume in an actual word processing file format in years. PDF is the thing these days.

      But that aside, I use LibreOffice and exchange documents with Microsoft Office users quite often. 95% of the time, there are no compatibility issues. The other 5% of the time, the issues are because of the use of advanced features (of the sort you wouldn't use for a resume) -- and even then, they tend to be relatively minor.

  47. Rubin destroyed Microsoft's Mobile chances by ghoul · · Score: 0

    Microsoft was pretty much leading Mobile OSs till 2007. When the iPhone came out with capacitive touch if Microsoft had quickly launched a capacitive touch phone they would have kept on top and Apple would not have taken off. Instead they hired Rubin to create a whole new OS Windows Phone 7. He wasted 2 years in which iPhone took off and then he left to go found Android. And he stole stuff he developed at Microsoft in Android. There is a reason that Microsoft gets paid 5 dollars for every Android phone that is sold (In fact Microsoft makes more money off Android than Google does)

    So not only could they have dominated Mobile they WERE dominating it. But Ballmer was an idiot who gets distracted by Shiny stuff.

    Even after the Rubin debacle there was a chance to catch up but instead Microsoft wasted their time buying and destroying Nokia. One more of Ballmer's cockups.

    Basically from the time Bill Gates left to Nadella took over its been one disaster after another.

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    1. Re:Rubin destroyed Microsoft's Mobile chances by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Microsoft was pretty much leading Mobile OSs till 2007. When the iPhone came out with capacitive touch if Microsoft had quickly launched a capacitive touch phone they would have kept on top and Apple would not have taken off. Instead they hired Rubin to create a whole new OS Windows Phone 7. He wasted 2 years in which iPhone took off and then he left to go found Android. And he stole stuff he developed at Microsoft in Android. There is a reason that Microsoft gets paid 5 dollars for every Android phone that is sold (In fact Microsoft makes more money off Android than Google does)

      I wasn't able to fact check much of this at all. Andy Rubin only worked for Microsoft for a couple of years after they purchased WebTV where he worked, but this is round 1999, why before your timeline started. In 2007, he was already working for Google.

      The idea that someone stole published patented ideas and is paying royalties makes my brain hurt. Isn't that exactly how patents are intended to work? You publish them and hope others will use your ideas.

  48. Get over yourself already by DeplorableCodeMonkey · · Score: 1

    Also, it will take a century of full-bore apologizing to even begin to make up for Microsoft's past (and current) behavior.

    Facebook carries out mass psychological experiments aimed at finding out, among other things, if they can make people depressed. Google is now accused of trade secret behavior on par with Microsoft back in the 1990s. Apple has now pioneered turning expensive computers into unfixable appliances. IBM, among other things, has basically gutted its American workforce and keeps a token presence stateside so they can avoid political pressure to delist their federal services component.

    And Oracle? If you feel that way about Microsoft, I suspect you think nothing less than ordering STRATCOM to carpet bomb Oracle's campuses with tactical nukes is appropriate for how they behave.

    This isn't the 90s. An entire generation has come and gone at Microsoft since the anti-trust trial. Give it a rest.

    1. Re:Get over yourself already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Microsoft ships an OS based on spyware that allows it to run whatever software it wants on your computer at any time. They tricked people into installing it in many cases, no less. Considering the OS is at the core of everything you do at the computer, that's just as bad as Facebook and Google.

      I realize there are people such as yourself who try to stick your head in the sand over the fact that Microsoft never changed, they just played nice for the DoJ, but honestly, your deliberate ignorance does little to prove your point since you simply omit the inconvenient facts that stare at anyone trying to buy a new PC these days.

  49. Racist much? by ghoul · · Score: 1

    Unless you are an openly racist company , it is natural that Indians will rise to Upper Management given that more than 50% of the grunts in the engineering department are Indians. An Indian rising to the top is statistics. No Indians reaching C level positions when most of your on the ground workforce are Indians (both immigrants and US born) is clear sign that your company has a problem.

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  50. Learn it alls, as long as you have a degree... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A shift from know it alls to learn it alls... Sounds great on paper until you realize its not entirely true. I am a "learn it all" who has over a decade of experience as a developer who was completely self taught and now hold a software management position at a medium sized business. Yet every single job I have applied for at Microsoft, including one which I had a direct referral from a good friend failed to receive even a single call back.

  51. Cultural pressures may limit a person's abilities. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    Choosing someone who is a good manager is choosing a person who, partly, is good at resolving conflicts. Often cultural pressures limit a person's abilities. Sometimes a person is able to avoid cultural pressures. One example is Dorsa Derakhshani, an Iranian Chess Grandmaster.

  52. Windows 10 sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fill company with Pajeet, put Pajeet in charge, 50% chance Windows shits in the street every time it decides it must update. Sexy Daddy.

  53. Microsoft is totally irreverent .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Enough with the Microsoft slashvertisments :)

  54. Name a trustworthy F100 software company, dude... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google? Their whole MO is to sell your information.
    Samsung? They won't update their Android versions and leave them insecure so you have to update to newest hardware.
    Apple? Well, you can trust them but you also have to deal with a stifiling walled garden.
    Oracle? C'mon.
    Microsoft? Of course not.

  55. Agile works if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... you see it as a way to keep a team moving forward and tailor it to your team needs. It is no substitute for leadership. I was assigned as the product owner to start a long-term project without the concept being finalized because the market was huge and we needed to get customer input right way. I asked the team to adopt Agile, set up Rally (have since moved to Jira at IT's request), set up a 3 month goal to get to a certain level of maturity for first customer test and two years to ship.

    Every other new product done using a waterfall methodology had taken 5 years, so naturally people thought I was crazy. The thing I remember about the early days of Agile and the project was that I was sweating bullets trying to stay ahead of team and figuring out the essential features we needed (and which scaffolding was throwaway) for that first customer test. We beat every other team by 3 months to first prototype, with a higher quality of code.

    During this time, we focused heavily on continuous improvement and modified the sprint format a little at a time at every retrospective. Now, we don't have daily scrums but have ad-hoc tiger teams. A demo includes the full extended team (cloud, desktop, app, embedded). We recognize people at the demo. There is a weekly all-hands meeting (separate from the demo) to share communication up and down. There is a regular leads meeting which focuses heavily on team obstacles.

    Interestingly, we give up some Agile elements during a certain phase and then readopt them after. For example, we gave up all Agile elements during a huge refactoring where we basically put a big chunk of the team into a conference room for two weeks and eliminated all distractions. The team made tremendous progress but after they surfaced, the developers wanted to go back to the original format. The ad-hoc tiger teams was one such "innovation". The team wanted no daily scrums in general unless there was a critical issue, and then 15 minute scrums weren't enough and then team took as long as necessary in each meeting to get everyone on the same page.

    TL;DR: We had a much faster start as a new team using Agile than other teams at my company and on average are still 2x faster than other established teams.

    1. Re:Agile works if... by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      Your experience is the exception, not the rule. I'm well aware that when people point out that Agile tends to result in bad software, the standard defense is that "they didn't do Agile right". And that may be true -- but after so many years where most teams that try going Agile end up "not doing it right," you have to begin to suspect that the problem might be that it's so hard to do it right. Which means that it's not a good general process.

      I also tend to be skeptical when teams claim success with Agile. Yes, I've seen situations where it's worked reasonably well, but it's more common that I see teams claiming success with Agile while producing seriously substandard software.

  56. It can work... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... and it works when it is a guide and not a mandate. I'm a manager who hires aggressively and am willing to take risks to get non-cookie-cutter engineers because it takes all kinds to build a high-performing team. I accept that I have a 5-10% failure rate because I am here to help a growing company staff up and give people an opportunity. Early on, I was too conservative and had a 1% failure rate but hired at half the rate.

    Anyway, when someone is not performing or a good fit, I give them many opportunities but eventually have to put them on a PIP because there are other candidates out there and I should to spend my time with my starts, not my poor performers. Besides, if I don't have a high-performance culture, the jobs will be shipped to India or China so everyone needs to deliver.

    Anyway, I had been operating this way for a few years and had built up a good department of 35 or so engineers that were split into 5 teams. Along comes a new GM and imposes a quota system on performance evaluations. I get a target of 5% of folks that have to be worked out of the company, and there is no credit for exiting poor performers earlier in the year. WTF? I didn't have 2 people who were poor performers because they were already gone.

    And that's when I figured out that this happens in environments where senior managers are pussies and clueless. They don't push back against the mandate, and can't tell that some teams have more talent vs. someone else's team. Anytime a senior manager peanut-buttered the mandate down to every sub-team, it was clear sign that the manager was ineffective.

    1. Re:It can work... by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      I get a target of 5% of folks that have to be worked out of the company, and there is no credit for exiting poor performers earlier in the year. WTF?

      You actually could have had it worse! A Fortune 500 company I worked for (I quit, I wasn't laid off, and I won't name the company) had a requirement that 5% of the people had to be laid off every year.

      The kicker is that nobody in the management chain of those people had any say whatsoever in who got laid off. Instead, the company had a high-level corporate committee that would decide which individuals got the heave-ho, and it was far from clear on what basis they made those decisions. It was quite common that high performers got laid off while the lower performers didn't.

      The hypothesis among the engineers was that they decided based on pay rates: the higher your pay rate, the more likely you were to get the axe.

    2. Re:It can work... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      FWIW, when I was laid off in 2002, it looked like the company was getting rid of the higher-paid developers.

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  57. Some places ask for .docs by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    schools especially. Whether they should or not I'm in no position to tell them. At least until I'm actually hired.

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  58. Microsoft WAS sick? He helped sicken it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    by making the company become user-hostile.

    All the spying aside (in W10, back ported to W7, Office, SQL and now freaking Skype). What's evil? Needing a Microsoft account to activate your Office. Went through this, created an account, redeemed my office and was about to activate Office when poof! the Microsoft account was locked! They now held hostage the product I just paid money for. Figured I'd try it before upgrading thousands of users. Given this experience, we are holding off.

    Microsoft has becoming untrustworthy and we are looking in to other products (While there are few, we have found 2 that will work for us).

  59. Execution by sjbe · · Score: 1

    they spent billions on a push into mobile, tablet and even console gaming.

    They did spend billions. Some of it was even spent sensibly. The problem was execution and the fact that their need to protect Windows slowed them down too much. I think Microsoft's attempts to integrate the PC and tablet (and smartphone) markets were sensible in principle but they flubbed the execution and took too long. Prior to the iPhone they were in the driver's seat for mobile but they didn't react fast enough to the changes in the mobile market post-iPhone. Console gaming is a decent business but they spent WAY too much money to buy their way into that business and it's a business that isn't likely to get much bigger than it currently is.

    The trouble is nobody liked the Win8 UI and even if they did developers didn't trust the Windows Store (why should they give Microsoft a 30% cut like they do with Apple if they don't have to?).

    I don't think Microsoft's problems stem from the interface in any meaningful amount. Yes there were issues but both iOS and Android interfaces have similar issues if we're being objective about it. I think people would have gotten over it in time if there weren't alternatives. The problem Microsoft ran into is that they were late to market and ecosystems had already developed around iOS and Android by the time they got a viable product out for sale. Once Apple dropped the iPhone they set the template for pretty much every smartphone since. Microsoft's real competition was Google and Google got Android in the hands of handset makers first AND more importantly Google doesn't have to make a profit on Android (they make their money in advertising) so it was both cheaper and more easily adapted to the needs/desires of phone makers and customers. Microsoft then had to try to convince customers that a third ecosystem was worth their while or that they should dump either Android or iOS and that was always going to be a tough sell.

    Microsoft is aware they're getting their rears handed to them on phone/tablet. They're just not sure what to do about it.

    That's approximately my point. They had their window of opportunity and they seem to have missed it in mobile. They were too busy at the time trying to protect Windows (and Office) to do what they needed to do to get into the driver's seat for mobile. There are plenty of smart people at Microsoft and they know the score but that doesn't make the problem any easier to crack. Apple and Google have similar mountains of cash and breaking into the consumer mobile market at this point against those two is going to be tough for anyone. Google is playing the role in mobile that Microsoft played in PCs. Apple does their walled garden thing and Google serves those who want something else. It's unclear how Microsoft will displace either one at this point.

  60. Re:Cultural pressures may limit a person's abiliti by ghoul · · Score: 1

    There are no "cultural pressures" which prevent Indians from making decisions. You don't launch (successful) missions to Mars , by not being able to resolve issues. India is an old civilization. Its people have lived in cities since before USA was settled . Cities are crowded and people have to be polite to their neighbors and colleagues as there simply is not the millions of acres of wilderness to go blow off steam like in the US.
    So Indians may be more polite than Americans. Doesn't mean they cannot resolve issues and make decisions.
    There are many different ways to resolve issues and not one perfect way.
    Thinking your own way is the correct way and everyone else's is "cultural pressures" is idiotic at best, racist at worse.

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  61. MS sucked even more after Satya Nadella joined by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now I am counting the days until this dinosaur of a company dies... their Windows 10 OS has pissed me off to no end, and their recent changes to outlook have broken it. Nope I cannot wait for this company to die under it own idiocy. They have ignored IT Administrators and our needs at their peril. Goodbye you asshats.

  62. Companies ruined or almost ruined by Indians by NewYork · · Score: 1

    Adaptec - Indian CEO Subramanian Sundaresh fired.
    AIG (signed outsourcing deal in 2007 in Europe with Accenture Indian frauds, collapsed in 2009)
    AirBus (Qantas plane plunged 650 feet injuring passengers when its computer system written by India disengaged the auto-pilot).
    Apple - R&D CLOSED in India in 2006.
    Apple - Foreign guest worker "Helen" Hung Ma caused the disastrous MobileMe product rollout.
    Australia's National Australia Bank (Outsourced jobs to India in 2007, nationwide ATM and account failure in late 2010).
    Bell Labs (Arun Netravalli took over, closed, turned into a shopping mall)
    Boeing Dreamliner ES software (written by HCL, banned by FAA)
    Bristol-Myers-Squibb (Trade Secrets and documents stolen in U.S. by Indian national guest worker)
    Caymas - Startup run by Indian CEO, French director of dev, Chinese tech lead. Closed after 5 years of sucking VC out of America.
    ComAir crew system run by 100% Indian IT workers caused the 12/25/05 U.S. airport shutdown when they used a short int instead of a long int
    Dell - call center (closed in India because Premji's conmen don't even know how to use telephones, let alone computers)
    Delta call centers (closed in India because Premji's conmen don't even know how to use telephones, let alone computers)
    Fannie Mae- Hired large numbers of Indians, had to be bailed out. Indian logic bomb creator found guilty.
    GM - Was booming in 2006, signed $300 million outsourcing deal with Wipro that same year, went bankrupt 3 years later
    HSBC ATMs (software taken over by Indians, failed in 2006)
    Intel Whitefield processor project (cancelled, Indian staff canned)
    Lehman (Spectramind software bought by Wipro, ruined, trashed by Indian programmers)
    Microsoft - Employs over 35,000 H-1Bs. Stock used to be $100. Today it's lucky to be over $25. Not to mention that Vista thing.
    Microsoft - Lian Yang, Microsoft-Contracted Engineer, Arrested in Smuggling Plot After Another FBI Sting in Portland in 2010
    MIT Media Lab Asia (canceled)
    PeopleSoft (Taken over by Indians in 2000, collapsed).
    Qantas - See AirBus above
    Quark (Alukah Kamar CEO, fired, lost 60% of its customers to Adobe because Indian-written QuarkExpress 6 was a failure)
    Rolls Royce (Sent aircraft engine work to India in 2006, engines delayed for Boeing 787, and failed on at least 2 Quantas planes in 2010, cost Rolls $500m).
    Skype ( Yarlagadda fired)
    State of Indiana $867 billion FAILED IBM project, IBM being sued
    State of Texas failed IBM project.
    Sun Micro (Taken over by Indian and Chinese workers in 2001, collapsed, has to be sold off to Oracle).
    United - call center (closed in India because Premji's conmen don't even know how to use telephones, let alone computers)
    Virgin Atlantic (software written in India caused cloud IT failure)
    Visium Asset Management - Sanjay Valvani Insider trading
    World Bank (Indian fraudsters BANNED for 3 years because they stole data).

  63. I often talk with people about cultural issues... by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    In India, I talked with many people about cultural pressures there. They were happy to talk about that and we had almost no disagreement. I learned a lot.

    I often talk with people about cultural issues in the U.S. and in other countries.

  64. Re:I often talk with people about cultural issues. by ghoul · · Score: 1

    When I want to learn about America I dont speak to tele-evangelists or multi-level-marketers. Nobody said there are no shysters in India who will pander to your prejudices while taking you for all you got. Some of these shysters wear suits and some wear saffron robes. Keep imagining Indians cant make decisions and watch your business and professional life burn down.

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  65. Possibly some other person from India... by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    "Keep imagining Indians cant make decisions..."

    Every culture has typical cultural limitations. Some people in a culture teach themselves to avoid the typical limitations of their culture.

    I have, for example, taught myself some of the typical advantages of the Brazilian culture.

    Being CEO of Microsoft is extremely challenging both socially and technologically. It seems, from what has been made public, that Satya Nadella is not good at dealing with the immense social challenges of managing Microsoft.

    Possibly some other person originally from India could be a better manager for Microsoft. That person would, of course, have to know the U.S. culture since so many people who work for Microsoft are part of that culture.