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A Giant, Mysterious Hole Has Opened Up In Antarctica (vice.com)

Scientists are perplexed over a giant hole that has opened up in Antarctica. According to Motherboard, the "gigantic, mysterious hole" is as large as Lake Superior or the state of Maine. From the report: The gigantic, mysterious hole "is quite remarkable," atmospheric physicist Kent Moore, a professor at the University of Toronto's Mississauga campus, told me over the phone. "It looks like you just punched a hole in the ice." Areas of open water surrounded by sea ice, such as this one, are known as polynyas. They form in coastal regions of Antarctica, Moore told me. What's strange here, though, is that this polynya is "deep in the ice pack," he said, and must have formed through other processes that aren't understood. "This is hundreds of kilometers from the ice edge. If we didn't have a satellite, we wouldn't know it was there." (It measured 80,000 km^2 at its peak.) "This is now the second year in a row it's opened after 40 years of not being there," Moore said. (It opened around September 9.) "We're still trying to figure out what's going on."

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  1. Oh God, it's Cthulu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    He has come back to take creimer back home.

    1. Re:Oh God, it's Cthulu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next: Blind , giant penguins!

      Tekeli-li! Tekeli-li!

    2. Re:Oh God, it's Cthulu by Maritz · · Score: 0

      So is it just one sad cunt that's obsessed with creimer, or is there a bunch of you?

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    3. Re:Oh God, it's Cthulu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He has come back to take creimer back home.

      So, are you saying that's a bad thing?

    4. Re:Oh God, it's Cthulu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, there appears to be many sad cunts on this site.

    5. Re:Oh God, it's Cthulu by Chameleon+Man · · Score: 1

      Isn't this the plot to The Thing?

    6. Re: Oh God, it's Cthulu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I assume it's just one but he misspelt Cthulhu so I'm afraid an inevitable shrieking death probably involving dismemberment is on its way. If you thought grammar Nazis were bad you ain't seen nothing.

    7. Re:Oh God, it's Cthulu by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      Shocking as it may seem, Creimer appears to have become the new Natalie Portman.

    8. Re:Oh God, it's Cthulu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, I thought it was Trump's fault.

    9. Re:Oh God, it's Cthulu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shocking as it may seem, Creimer appears to have become the new Natalie Portman.

      Ummm...Creimer in hot grits?

    10. Re:Oh God, it's Cthulu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who are you, his boyfriend?

    11. Re:Oh God, it's Cthulu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Creimer has had a sex change (or two)?

    12. Re:Oh God, it's Cthulu by spun · · Score: 1

      I think he's more of the hot grits down your pants.

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    13. Re: Oh God, it's Cthulu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, no! Creimer has become the new APK.

    14. Re: Oh God, it's Cthulu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be harsh. APK has made a legitimate point at least once. Don't insult him by comparing him to that lard ass.

    15. Re: Oh God, it's Cthulu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A surprise, to be sure, but a pleasant one.

  2. Water currents. by Z00L00K · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's most likely water currents causing this phenomenon. Unless there's a volcano that's erupting, but that would be detected seismologically.

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    1. Re:Water currents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Underwater volcanism is my first guess. There is probably a convective current starting from the heated area at sea floor beneath the hole. The heat source was probably always there, but now the temperature of sea water has risen enough that with additional heating it is enough to melt the ice.

    2. Re:Water currents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (replying to myself because I forgot to add this)
      Dropping some buoys to measure the water temperature and perhaps to plot the currents, is in order.

    3. Re: Water currents. by rmdingler · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't be silly. It's not completely unreasonable that one of the research scientists posted this story to tap the unparalleled hive mind at /..

      "...gigantic, mysterious hole" is as large as Lake Superior or the state of Maine.

      Clearly, the real story here is that Lake Superior and the State of Maine are interchangeable units of measuring area. Who Knew?

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    4. Re:Water currents. by sheramil · · Score: 2

      My guess is it's a promotional stunt for the film "Iron Sky 2: The Coming Age", that got out of hand.

    5. Re:Water currents. by lucm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's most likely water currents causing this phenomenon.

      You should email the atmospheric physicist quoted in the article and let him know.

      https://www.utm.utoronto.ca/cp...

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    6. Re: Water currents. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Scientists don't know what's going on, and this guy doesn't either, but he went ahead and made a guess. It's a pretty good guess, too, because it doesn't require any new understandings of the universe.

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    7. Re: Water currents. by Maritz · · Score: 2

      Scientists don't know what's going on BUT THIS GUY DOES! If only the researchers only read TFS before pontificating we would solve all the mysteries of the universe.

      If you knew what the word 'guess' meant, you wouldn't have had to embarrass yourself like that. You should look up 'probably' as well.

      Dumbass.

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    8. Re:Water currents. by houghi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, that was easy. I wonder if the scientists already contacted you to solve other problems.

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    9. Re: Water currents. by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      It depends if you are an east coast or a mid west type of person.

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    10. Re: Water currents. by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      I had not considered the regional angle.

      Perhaps the author would have been better served to use a more ubiquitous USian measurement of area, such as Olympic-sized swimming pools or football fields.

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    11. Re:Water currents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is obvious that it is from the Coriolis effect. The same effect that makes toilets in the southern hemisphere swirl the wrong way.

    12. Re:Water currents. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      Wow! With just the head lines and a couple of photos, you deduced this! Amazing Sherlock. Usually Sherlock explains his reasoning and deductions 38 minutes into the episode, Wrap up, a mood lightening sardonic humor piece and dangler for the next episode at minute 42. So it is high time you explain it all to the dimwitted scientists with mere PhDs who worked all their life studying this.

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    13. Re:Water currents. by hey! · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's like saying the bug in this software is probably due to a subroutine.

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    14. Re: Water currents. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      it doesn't require any new understandings of the universe.

      That would require it to be science.

      And as Malibu Stacy once said: "Science is hard!"

    15. Re:Water currents. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I bet if we dropped some sensors in the water, we would learn that the water is slightly above the freezing point.

      Measurements. That would make it science.

    16. Re:Water currents. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      If people were forced to right more straight in-line code, in Assembler, there would be less bugs in software (because far less software would get written)

    17. Re: Water currents. by codeButcher · · Score: 1

      Clearly, the real story here is that Lake Superior and the State of Maine are interchangeable units of measuring area. Who Knew?

      Well, I for one prefer the lake as a unit of measurement because obviously it is .... Superior!

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    18. Re:Water currents. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Informative

      Underwater volcanism is my first guess. There is probably a convective current starting from the heated area at sea floor beneath the hole. The heat source was probably always there, but now the temperature of sea water has risen enough that with additional heating it is enough to melt the ice.

      Perhaps. I'm a firm believer in the laws of thermodynamics, but I certainly wouldn't declare this as related to AGW. This despite the denialists rushing to declare that people are saying it is, so they can have a strawman to beat up.

      And yes folks, we are allowed to speculate. Scientists do this all the time in order to eliminate unlikely candidates for the phenomenon, like the open water being caused by the pancake syrup at iHop.

      You are correct that volcanic activity is a good first guess. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... Antarctica is a pretty busy place in that way. A group has claimed to have found 91 previously unknown volcanoes, https://www.engadget.com/2017/... but these have not been confirmed as of yet.

      This one is active and confirmed https://www.livescience.com/41... .

      Global warming? I seriously doubt it. A problem for humans? Not unless this is the initial bowshots of a nascent super-volcano. Interesting as all hell, and it surely wouldn't hurt to find out the cause.

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    19. Re:Water currents. by ilguido · · Score: 1

      now the temperature of sea water has risen enough that with additional heating it is enough to melt the ice.

      From the featured (?) article: "[a hole] was observed in the same location, in Antarctica's Weddell Sea, in the 1970s, [...] back then, scientists' observation tools weren't nearly as good, so that hole remained largely unstudied".

    20. Re: Water currents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For those of us who consider everything east of I-5 as "back east", apparently this hole in Antarctica approached the size of the Mojave Desert or 8-10x as large as Los Angeles County.

    21. Re: Water currents. by mysticgoat · · Score: 2

      From here in the Upper Left Coast, these are all the same size: Lake Superior, Maine, and Rhode Island.

      If you are far enough away, everything else is small.

    22. Re: Water currents. by mysticgoat · · Score: 2

      Are those English football fields or USian football fields?

    23. Re:Water currents. by mysticgoat · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure the cause of the Antarctic waterhole is heat.

      I leave it as an exercise for the Reader to determine where the heat is coming from.

    24. Re: Water currents. by sexconker · · Score: 2

      Up North
      Down South
      Back East
      Out West

    25. Re:Water currents. by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Have you ever played knifey-spoony?

    26. Re: Water currents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a comment thread. What the fuck is it for if not to discuss the fucking article, you too-cool-for-school piece of shit?

    27. Re:Water currents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Global warming? I seriously doubt it. A problem for humans? Not unless this is the initial bowshots of a nascent super-volcano. Interesting as all hell, and it surely wouldn't hurt to find out the cause.

      I love your ignorance-induced coolness. What if a great pocket of liquid ice has formed because of the thermal activity and is making its way to the ocean?

      Search 'Lake Agassiz' and you will find that the Black Sea was formed 12,000 years ago, at once, due to a similar phenomenon in NORTH AMERICA.

    28. Re: Water currents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It makes a hell of a lot more sense than the typical Rube Goldberg mechanisms they conjure up to blame it on Global Warming.

    29. Re:Water currents. by sycodon · · Score: 1

      But it does provide all the Pearl Clutches something to fret about.

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    30. Re: Water currents. by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Those of us from a certain upper midwest state just show our palm and point.

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    31. Re:Water currents. by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      EVEN if the initial bowshots of a nascent super-volcano.,.Antartica is a bloody long way from anything civilized. At worst we might see some climate disruption.

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    32. Re: Water currents. by dissy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Clearly, the real story here is that Lake Superior and the State of Maine are interchangeable units of measuring area. Who Knew?

      A little known fact is that Lake Superior and the state of Maine are also physically interchangeable!
      This is the reason neither of those things are labeled by name on Google Maps.

    33. Re:Water currents. by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Do toilets on the equator simply drain straight down?

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    34. Re:Water currents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somewhat ironically it probably would fix our global warming problem.

    35. Re: Water currents. by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 1

      What is the conversion factor for States of Maine to Libraries of Congress?

    36. Re: Water currents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but how many atomic bombs is it? Folks this could be the Cadillac of measures.

    37. Re:Water currents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I'm a firm believer in the laws of thermodynamics"

      Your belief is unnecessary and misplaced. Thermodynamics simply are whether you believe it or not.

    38. Re:Water currents. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Global warming? I seriously doubt it. A problem for humans? Not unless this is the initial bowshots of a nascent super-volcano. Interesting as all hell, and it surely wouldn't hurt to find out the cause.

      I love your ignorance-induced coolness. What if a great pocket of liquid ice has formed because of the thermal activity and is making its way to the ocean?

      Search 'Lake Agassiz' and you will find that the Black Sea was formed 12,000 years ago, at once, due to a similar phenomenon in NORTH AMERICA.

      Amusing. I'm having trouble imagining this liquid Ice. Are you referring to supercooled water, or the fictional ice-9? Certainly if your scenario does happen, it will be a natural event that we cannot do much about, except the useless thoughts and prayers.

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    39. Re:Water currents. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      "I'm a firm believer in the laws of thermodynamics"

      Your belief is unnecessary and misplaced.

      As is your comment. You have to have some way of introducing a subject. And it is quite fashionable these days to deny science.

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    40. Re:Water currents. by PinkyGigglebrain · · Score: 1

      I'd be more worried about an Antarctic super volcano causing the land bound ice to melt. The resulting sea level rise would affect things on a global scale unlike the ash fallout.

    41. Re: Water currents. by Mab_Mass · · Score: 3, Funny

      Also, please note that nobody has ever seen the State of Maine and Lake Superior in the same place! Obviously, something is up!

    42. Re:Water currents. by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Maybe in the coastal cities- but the sea would go back down just as quickly as the localized nuclear winter refroze Antarctica.

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    43. Re:Water currents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Volcano, sure... but super-volcano, it would have a worldwide impact. Under an ice sheet it would create an enormous amount of ash. Smaller volcanos can and do disrupt flights for months across a continent. A super-volcano one would do the same worldwide and last much longer. It could ground flights world-wide and cause crops to fail for a season. We'd struggle to handle that well.

    44. Re:Water currents. by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      > bowshots

      I humbly submit you meant bow shocks, as in the waves ahead of a ship from the bow.

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    45. Re:Water currents. by Quirkz · · Score: 2

      Once, ironically. I had ten-thousand spoons and no knife.

    46. Re:Water currents. by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      I was mimicing the grandfather post, but I took him to mean bowshots- as in the warning shots across a bow with an arrow, and later a canon, common to early seafaring piracy. Also known as warning shots.

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    47. Re:Water currents. by phantomfive · · Score: 2
      The article clarifies somewhat. This is ongoing:

      A polynia was observed in the same location, in Antarctica's Weddell Sea, in the 1970s, according to Moore, who's been working with the Southern Ocean Carbon and Climate Observations and Modelling (SOCCOM) group, based at Princeton University, to analyze what's going on. Back then, scientists' observation tools weren't nearly as good, so that hole remained largely unstudied. Then it went away for four decades, until last year, when it reopened for a few weeks. Now it's back again.

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    48. Re:Water currents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you drive a Poop DeVille.

    49. Re: Water currents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Divide by zero then turn it up to 11.

    50. Re: Water currents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok but, where is the downside?

    51. Re: Water currents. by kenh · · Score: 1

      And it is quite fashionable these days to accuse others of denying science.

      FTFY

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    52. Re:Water currents. by Gussington · · Score: 1

      It's most likely water currents causing this phenomenon.

      What water? Antarctica is mostly ice on rock. Where this is happening there is no water.

    53. Re: Water currents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize that the melts ice wouldn't flow back up and refreeze itself in a couple days, or even years, right?

      And that the billions of coastal inhabitants would... Move inland. Possibly dying if diseases they picked up that the inland people didn't care about bc... Fuck city dwellers. Maybe dying of cholera and other fun things that can infect your well water when you shoot them and leave their corpse as "a warnin to them that don't belong".

    54. Re:Water currents. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      > bowshots

      I humbly submit you meant bow shocks, as in the waves ahead of a ship from the bow.

      No, its from an old Navy saying, a shot over the bow, meaning a warning, and that the next one won't be a warning.

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    55. Re: Water currents. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      And it is quite fashionable these days to accuse others of denying science.

      FTFY

      Okay, here's the thing. Somewhere in the deep dark past, I wrote that I believe in science. And believing in sciences doesn't mean you have faith in it, as the first commenter appeard to imply. and what a monumental task of trying to agree with anythig at all if belief means faith and only faith.

      But as for anti-science? Well let's see. We have Lysenkoism, which postulates that plants and animals immediately change in response to the environment, we have creationism, which discards almost ll las of physics, and invents new ones, we have anti-vaxxers, who claim that ingredients not even in vaccines at present cause a disability that has been proven not to be caused by vaccines, we have ernergy retention by atmospheric composition deniers, who still haven't come up with the failure mechanism for teh greenhouse effect. We have GMO deniers who have managed to make Monsanto's stupid Roundup Ready BS into an indictment of any food manipulated to be more nutritious. We have people who believe that living near a cell phone tower causes cancer. There are more examples, but I'm getting bored.

      So yeah, There is no need to "accuse" these people of anything. They are deniers.

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    56. Re:Water currents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sea level rises are easy to deal with, just move, sure billions in realestate will go to zero, but tough luck, besides the rise will happen gradually, not in one evening.
      Ash fallouts are worse, as it ruins crops/kills everything inland. Yeah earth is a dangerous place, when it gets tough, humans will engineer their way out. We are smart and better now than ever before.

    57. Re:Water currents. by lucm · · Score: 1

      Water above the freezing point would not explain the hole, it would merely *describe* it.

      And I'm not convinced that it would even be that meaningful. For instance, it is completely possible for water temperature to be below the freezing point without freezing, especially in an environment where there is no major weather fluctuations and no major animal activity. Temperature itself does not automatically trigger the transition.

      See this explanation from Wikipedia:

      The melting point of water at 1 atmosphere of pressure is very close to 0 C (32 F, 273.15 K), and in the presence of nucleating substances the freezing point of water is close to the melting point, but in the absence of nucleators water can super cool to 40 C (40 F, 233 K) before freezing.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      There is a famous (alleged) case of flash freeze that happened in Russia during WWII: horses found in the bottom of a frozen lake. Someone made a demonstration, see:
      http://www.radiolab.org/story/...

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    58. Re: Water currents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we have creationism, which discards almost ll las of physics, and invents new ones

      As someone who calls himself a creationist, that's not creationism. Creationism is simply "God created the universe". How it works, i.e. the laws of physics, is not in doubt. Well, in any more doubt than they already are (reconciling GR and QM, anyone?).

      Or is there a law of physics that says "God is impossible"? If so, I missed that one in school.

    59. Re:Water currents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ancient alien theorists (like Georgio what's his name) are saying that it is a portal to an alien base located deep in the ocean under the ice. Could they be right?

    60. Re: Water currents. by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Global warming also increases evaporation rates- which changes the water to clouds.....and rural folks aren't quite the heartless bastards you make them out to be

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    61. Re: Water currents. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      we have creationism, which discards almost ll las of physics, and invents new ones

      As someone who calls himself a creationist, that's not creationism. Creationism is simply "God created the universe". How it works, i.e. the laws of physics, is not in doubt. Well, in any more doubt than they already are (reconciling GR and QM, anyone?).

      My grandparents were creationists, and member of a Christian sect that tells us that they have the real truth, aand all others will go to hell.

      Your definition of creationism is the weak model, brought out as a talking point when arguing for creationism. My grandparents used the strong model, in which god told them in the book that was sealed to man, as being created in 4004 B.C. Every single word written in the bible is truth as stated, so Adam and Eve begat, and their sons begat and we ended up here. The biblical flood happened just as described in the Bible, the entire world was covered up past Everest in 40 days and nights of rain, and every animal on earth that is here today was on that boat. And evolution does not exist.

      You do not have the right to question their faith.

      And I do not want to question yours either, because as long as you don't insist that your faith trumps my rights, You can believe whatever you want.

      Or is there a law of physics that says "God is impossible"? If so, I missed that one in school.

      No, but there is one that tells us that some foilks will use equal parts stupidity and irrelevance as a talking point. We can have good discussions, or we can have religious-right discussions, but not with statements like that.

      The fact is, I cannot prove there is no god just as you cannot prove there is one. God is a matter of faith, and no evidence at all is needed for faith. In the end, faith is all you need - which is probably why there are so many different gods.

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    62. Re: Water currents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a fucking idiot.

      This hole is EIGHTY-THOUSAND SQUARE KILOMETRES big. 80,000^2 km!

      MORAN, WE DID THIS

    63. Re: Water currents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THIS person IS A MORON or ASTROTURF seller.

    64. Re:Water currents. by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      EVEN if the initial bowshots of a nascent super-volcano.,.Antartica is a bloody long way from anything civilized.

      Being a long way from anything doesn't mean a jot in terms of a supervolcano. Homo sapiens has not seen a supervolcano eruption since Toba around 70 kyr ago (and that is arguable - was it a supervolcano, or just a large regular volcano). As a geologist, I'd struggle to come up with a meaningful dividing line between a regular eruption and a supervolcano - if indeed there is one. I've scuba-dived in the Santorini caldera for example, and it's not significantly diffeent to other calderas I've walked around in and examined rocks in.

      Regular volcanic eruptions have effects felt around the world. The Pinatubo eruption of 1991 led to cooling around the world of about 0.5degC - and incidentally produced the darkest lunar eclipse I've ever seen in 1992. The Tambora eruption of 1815 similarly had global effects - famine in Europe and the newly-formed United States, wars and rebellions, generally bad shit. All over the world.

      The bandying around of superlative-laden terms such as "Plinian / Ultra-Plinian", "Super-colossal", "Mega-colossal" in descriptions of volcanic eruptions tells me that people just keep on finding bigger ones, and don't think about future terminology when they try to describe the new thing they're studying. We don't seem to have found the largest possible eruptions, just the largest measured so far.

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    65. Re:Water currents. by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      we would learn that the water is slightly above the freezing point.

      The freezing point of seawater is around minus2degC (not sure what that is in the US measure - there are conversion programs somewhere if you want to make a conversion to that system).

      I bet if we dropped some sensors in the water,

      ... which, utterly astonishingly, is exactly how this polynya was discovered. "SOCCOM float surfaces inside rare Antarctic sea ice opening"

      This is a recurrent feature of the Antarctic sea ice. It's tied to undersea features that well explain it's existence and location.

      Polynyas are regions of open water that occur in the Arctic and Southern Oceans where youâ(TM)d expect to see ice, typically around coastlines that experience fierce wintertime winds. The Weddell polynya is unusual in that it occurs far offshore, in a shallow water region known as the Maud Rise. It was first spotted in the winter of 1974, when a hole roughly the size of Oregon emerged in the Antarctic sea ice in the dead of winter. The polynia cropped up again for the next two winters, before going dormant for decadesâ"although low sea ice concentrations persisted in the region.

      Like all polynyas, it has considerable effects on both air temperatures and sea water temperatures in its area and wherever the cooled sea water goes to.

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    66. Re:Water currents. by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      You're forgetting the presence of around 35ppt of dissolved salts in the water - principally sodium chloride. The freezing point of seawater is around 2degC BELOW zero.

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    67. Re:Water currents. by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Interesting. Your link on the Toba supervolcano shows the idea that a 10 year volcanic winter, while bad, is certainly survivable (perhaps MORE survivable for a species now capable of 25 year food storage). Even relatively close civilizations like India show little to no difference in tool usage above or below the Toba Ash layer; homo flourensis has now been shown to have not only survived the Toba event, but flourished for another 60,000 years after.

      So I'd have to think that no, a bowshot from a supervolcano is not something to worry an awful lot about- just be prepared.

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    68. Re:Water currents. by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      One of the things that annoys me about this terminology is, there is no way of knowing if a particular volcanic eruption is going to be a "supervolcano eruption" until after the event has finished. Sure, we can say that the last eruption from a particular volcanic centre was a supervolcano (more than 1000 cu.km dense-rock-equivalent of ejecta - that's the definition), but telling if the next eruption from that complex will be ... effectively impossible.

      A 1000cu.km magma chamber would have a radius of 6.2km. But from the surface (gravity, seismic, conductivity measurements), you generally can't see through the uncertainties at the top to detect the bottom. So you simply do not know the volume of your magma charge to start with. Then, absent samples, you don't know the gas content. And you don't know how efficient the chamber would be at emptying. Because we know that we find many solidified magma chambers underneath piles of geochemically compatible lavas and pyroclastic deposits, what we do know is that some magma chambers produce very voluminous ejecta deposits without emptying completely. (Though we do often see kilometres of movement on bounding faults which suggest kilometres of movement during that eruption.) Before the event, we've no real way of knowing how bad an eruption is going to be- very much the same problem as knowing how big the "next big one" on [insert name of fault] will be.

      My oft-made prediction of the first megadeath (million casualty) earthquake being on the Himalayan Front complex under the Gangeatic foredeep is just an educated guess, and the Sumatran quarter-million deaths blind-sided me - an experienced and cautious geologist. The more I think about it, the more foolishly over-precise the term "super-volcano" becomes. We simply do not have (and probably never will have) enough information to predict if the next eruption of VolcanoX will be 1cu.km (Pinatubo, IIRC), 100cu.km (one to two Santorini 1600-ish BCE), or 1000cu.km (Toba, maybe Yellowstone).

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  3. Re: Queue up the jokes by dj245 · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's fairly obvious. The Goa'uld are coming.

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  4. Not news. by Qbertino · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's always been there!
    It's the hole that leads to Nazi occupied Hollow-Earth, where they have there domesticated dinosaurs to ride on and keep their UFOs. Every educated person knows this.

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    1. Re: Not news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they have UFOs, why do they still ride dinosaurs? Oh right, because it's awesome.

    2. Re:Not news. by dywolf · · Score: 1

      SSSSHHHHHH!!!!!
      You fool!
      Now they're going to come for you!
      FLEE!

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    3. Re:Not news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure whether to be concerned or amused that this is modded +3 Insightful.

    4. Re: Not news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should be concerned. Hollow Earth Nazis are no joke

    5. Re:Not news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, since the Nazis haven't been keeping the place up, it's most likely that the base finally collapsed.

    6. Re: Not news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have UFOs because they haven't been identified yet.

    7. Re: Not news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You misunderstood the meaning of 'ride' in this context

    8. Re:Not news. by fortiustechnologies · · Score: 1

      What will be the effect of this phenomenon?

    9. Re:Not news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SSSSHHHHHH!!!!!

      I know the hissing sound of a lizard person when I hear it!

    10. Re:Not news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can we publicise it better? The alt right needs to know how to get to this utopian paradise.

    11. Re: Not news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the Nazis were still holed up on the dark side of the Moon in their secret military base shaped like a swastika.

    12. Re:Not news. by hey! · · Score: 1

      Actually I've long been a fan of both Hyperborean and hollow-Earth theories, which are often found together and some people sincerely believed back in the 1800s (and probably still do). Antarctica fired many peoples' imaginations which is why I suppose people sent expeditions there; it was just on the edge of what could be accessible, like the Moon was in the 1960s. WIthout satellites it was just a big blank spot on the map; anything could be there. Maybe event Lovecraft's Mountains of Madness.

      The combination of a (warm) antarctic subterranean civilization occurs in at least one proto-sci-fi story I read from the late 1800s, although I suppose the term should be Hypoaustral rather than Hyperborean.

      These stories, and I suppose I should throw in King Kong as well, represent the end of an era for our species. When Landsat 1 was launched in 1972 physical geography was permanently demystified. There is no such thing as an uncharted isle where pirates bury their treasure or giant apes are worshipped by the natives. If there were such a thing as Skull Island it'd have an airport and visitor center.

      I suppose that's why we've transplanted so much of our mythology to space.

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    13. Re:Not news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do not reveal the secrets of Shambhala!
      It's because of people like you we have leaks like this:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Earth

    14. Re:Not news. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      TFS says the hole opened September 9th. Notice the increase in Nazi rallies since late last year. Coincidence? I think not!

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    15. Re:Not news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, I've thought this for a long time. Nice to see I'm not alone.

    16. Re:Not news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hollow implies non-flat. What are you, educated or somethin?

  5. Re: Queue up the jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I second that:
    http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Antarctica

  6. IT'S NO JOKE !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Newsweek is telling us that the world will end in 4 (four) days !

    http://www.newsweek.com/doomsday-conspiracy-theorist-still-trying-convince-people-its-end-world-claims-682086

    1. Re:IT'S NO JOKE !! by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Funny

      Again already? But it just ended on Sept 23.

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    2. Re:IT'S NO JOKE !! by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      Newsweek is telling us about some religious wacko who claims that the world will end in 4 (four) days !

      FTFY. Interesting article, though. That guy is truly unhinged.

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    3. Re:IT'S NO JOKE !! by stealth_finger · · Score: 4, Funny

      Again already? But it just ended on Sept 23.

      It's a buy one get one free deal.

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    4. Re:IT'S NO JOKE !! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Funny

      Everyone knows that the world will end in 2038, on January 19.

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    5. Re:IT'S NO JOKE !! by chill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Upgrade the universe to 64-bits already!

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    6. Re:IT'S NO JOKE !! by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      Again already? But it just ended on Sept 23.

      It's a buy one get one free deal.

      And we still haven't recovered from the May 2011 end of the world. Ahhh, those were good times.

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    7. Re:IT'S NO JOKE !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh good. It's Sunday... I don't have any plans for Sunday...

    8. Re:IT'S NO JOKE !! by Immerman · · Score: 2

      Nah, that was just the Rapture. All the true followers of Jesus ascended to Heaven - didn't you notice?

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    9. Re:IT'S NO JOKE !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, that'll be expensive.

      Just dump the historical data since 1970 into /dev/null. Sure will miss some of it, but it'll be CHEAP!

    10. Re:IT'S NO JOKE !! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Nope, all the bible thumping assholes I enjoy making fun of are still here.

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    11. Re:IT'S NO JOKE !! by Immerman · · Score: 2

      *woosh*

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    12. Re:IT'S NO JOKE !! by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      And still no free cars.

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  7. Wild Mass Guessing by mentil · · Score: 1

    Underwater thermal vents. And/or aliens.

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    1. Re: Wild Mass Guessing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Giant alien monsters.

    2. Re:Wild Mass Guessing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      scarecrow's gonna fetch us an alien spacecraft from a secret ice station

    3. Re: Wild Mass Guessing by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      No problem, we got our giant robots ready to fight. ... do we?

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  8. The Hole by earthloop · · Score: 2

    Not knowing where it came from, scientists are looking into it.

  9. Any scifi fan will know by Chrisq · · Score: 3, Funny

    Giant holes in Antarctica are where the ice has melted because of the warmth from a recently reactivated alien spacecraft trapped beneath the ice millions of years ago.

    1. Re:Any scifi fan will know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want to believe

    2. Re:Any scifi fan will know by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      If there is any time for Alien overlords it is now.
      Heck I would be happy with Richard Nixon Head in a headless robot body of Agnew.

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    3. Re:Any scifi fan will know by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      You are just being an effete intellectual. Go put on your plain cloth coat and sit down!

    4. Re:Any scifi fan will know by guruevi · · Score: 1

      If you wanted alien overlords, you should've voted for Clinton!

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    5. Re:Any scifi fan will know by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Like most of the voting American Public, I did.

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    6. Re:Any scifi fan will know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next time convince some lazy idiots to join you...

    7. Re:Any scifi fan will know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Butt is still sore I see.

    8. Re:Any scifi fan will know by quintus_horatius · · Score: 1

      Anime fans will know that it's because someone accidentally woke up Adam

    9. Re:Any scifi fan will know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boohoo...Americans outside Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, and Houston actually get to cast votes too. NO FAIR!!

    10. Re:Any scifi fan will know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Instead of reforming the electoral system it is easier to blame the "invisible" Russian hand, Comey, Wikileaks, or a myriad or other excuses that have continually been sounded in the media echo chambers.

    11. Re:Any scifi fan will know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was not a spacecraft. Richard Dean Anderson was sitting in a recliner-like device to use the Ancient weapon to stop a Go’uld invasion force.

    12. Re:Any scifi fan will know by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

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    13. Re:Any scifi fan will know by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      What's not fair is that the votes in small states count more than votes in larger states. Everyone's vote should be equal.

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  10. Youtube link or it didn't happen by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 0

    I live on a flat earth you insensitive clod!

    1. Re:Youtube link or it didn't happen by CeasedCaring · · Score: 1

      As requested:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
      BTW, have the cats pushed everything off your flat earth yet?

  11. Re: "We're still trying to figure out what's goin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lol you are batshit insane

  12. Re:Leibstandarten David Icke? by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 0

    I thought the cutting edge of the lunatic fringe was all about the flat earth. Sounds like David Icke is old news

  13. Expedition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We need to mount an expedition! Get the dogs and the tinned meat.

    1. Re:Expedition by justthinkit · · Score: 1

      Nah, two guys should be sufficient.

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    2. Re:Expedition by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I just yesterday watched a DVD of the 1948 movie 'Scott of the Antarctic' and your link to 'two guys' now makes me very very sad for some reason.
      Will the Park Service soon make the South Pole wheelchair accessible?

    3. Re:Expedition by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      We need to mount an expedition! Get the dogs and the tinned meat.

      You do that, I'll get a helicopter and meet you there.

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    4. Re:Expedition by justthinkit · · Score: 1

      It speaks more to the incredible determination and will of Reinhold Messner. He's written a lot of books, many in English, and I highly recommend them. Simply the best mountaineer ever.

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  14. possible explanations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The predators burned a hole through the ice with their spaceship to release more aliens from the Queen's prison for this hunting season.

    The "Thing" is super fucking angry because it's so warm, and is prepping the spaceship to leave Earth for somewhere colder.

  15. Supervolcano by dicobalt · · Score: 1

    It's about to go off.

  16. The Kraken Awakes! by chthon · · Score: 1

    Reminds me also of the X-Man somewhere at the end of the eighties, but that could have been in Siberia.

  17. Re:Leibstandarten David Icke? by schleimkeim · · Score: 1

    Good. I hope they fucking kill us all.

  18. Polynyas? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It sounds like some sort of deranged blob-like multi-cat from some Japanese hentai.
    Images of Akira come to mind.

    1. Re:Polynyas? by temcat · · Score: 1

      Russian hentai, not Japanese. The word is Russian.

    2. Re:Polynyas? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      "Russian hentai" doesn't sound right, like saying "American maple syrup".

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    3. Re:Polynyas? by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      That's not horrific enough. I would say "Russian hentai" would be on par with "British dental repair".

      Actually, I just googled both to confirm, and have found out neither one exist. All the images were from other regions.

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    4. Re:Polynyas? by temcat · · Score: 1

      Intriguing enough to me.

    5. Re:Polynyas? by temcat · · Score: 1

      Non-existence is kind of the essense of a hole.

  19. Testing those satellite mounted lasers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks like China or Russia is testing their satellite mounted lasers. But who knows, maybe a decepticon leader was buried on that ice millions of years ago, and it reactivated and left.

  20. Cthulhu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's always been there!
    It's the hole that leads to Nazi occupied Hollow-Earth, where they have there domesticated dinosaurs to ride on and keep their UFOs. Every educated person knows this.

    LIAR! You are just trying to distract people from the knowledge of Cthulhu's imminent return.

  21. How thick is the ice? by Flu · · Score: 1
    I would guess it's quite thick - several meters or so, but that's just a wild guess. If so, it's even more remarkable.

    Do any of you fellow slashdotter have any insight on how thick the ice actually is, around there?

    1. Re:How thick is the ice? by rmdingler · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Arctic Sea's ice thickness is likely just a few meters, even though the inland ice sheet can be thousands of meters thick.

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    2. Re: How thick is the ice? by bestweasel · · Score: 2

      Um, this is the Antarctic and "hundreds of kilometres from the ice edge".

    3. Re:How thick is the ice? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      You're confusing sea ice (floating on the sea surface, formed by cooling to the air and freezing oof seawater onto the bottom of the ice sheet) and glacier ice (formed by snowfall in the mountains, compressing under it's own weight and moving downhill.) The physics of the two are the same, but because of the different formation processes and locations, the implications are different.

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    4. Re:How thick is the ice? by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      You're confusing sea ice (floating on the sea surface, formed by cooling to the air and freezing oof seawater onto the bottom of the ice sheet) and glacier ice (formed by snowfall in the mountains, compressing under it's own weight and moving downhill.) The physics of the two are the same, but because of the different formation processes and locations, the implications are different.

      Probably; yet the polynya is described as being in the Weddell Sea, so for the purpose of differentiating the ice's thickness, the comparison is not completely unreasonable.

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  22. The simple Answer is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it is where all the hot air from Trumps MAGA campaign ended up.

  23. alien vs predator by Idimmu+Xul · · Score: 1, Funny

    viral marketing?

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  24. Crikey! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bet cow farts and cars and pollution are heating up the earth causing the ice to melt!

  25. No mystery at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Global warming just goes faster than anticipated

    1. Re: No mystery at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Faster, even, than Chicken Little can squawk about it.

    2. Re: No mystery at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, my bad... I left my SUV running.

  26. It's the Gods of Climate Change by nospam007 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ...acting out. We must immediately throw in all the orange Climate.Change Deniers to appease them,

    1. Re:It's the Gods of Climate Change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It doesn't make a damn bit of difference if you "believe" in climate change if you're not acting on it in a personal fashion. I'm so sick of hearing crap like this from people who still haven't addressed their own carbon footprint. These people are crazy (and lazy) if they think for a second that they're going to buy a Tesla (they'll all buy one when they cost 10k USD, charge for free in 2 minutes and have a thousand mile range) , have the government sign some document that is unenforceable and not have to change anything about their lifestyle.

      Own up to the lifestyle changes that need to take place today and stop making excuses for your over-consumption and sloth. Without that there is no point in talking about it and making it a political talking point only makes you look more foolish. I'm simply sick of the people who are preaching it like fire and brimstone but don't ante up. Live the lives that you're talking about!

    2. Re:It's the Gods of Climate Change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Climate change is a fucking hoax. My favorite thing to do these days is to roll coal in front of prius or tesla drivers. Watching their sad angry impotence in the face of true power gives me a boner.

    3. Re:It's the Gods of Climate Change by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      A government actions or lack of action are a multiplier effect of the people ability to act personally on helping environmental problems.
      If the government signs papers that will put funding into Electric Car R&D. Help local communities update their infrastructure for more efficient methods. Insure education and training are modern and up to date, so high school graduates don't feel they will have to work in the coal mine for the next 20 years.

      If they are a bunch of available electric cars (Suited for different types of jobs) out there and power stations setup in convenient locations then people would buy them. If Upgrading to Solar on your home, will have a payoff within 5 years then people may invest into upgrading their homes.

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    4. Re: It's the Gods of Climate Change by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Dude....this had me cackling with laughter.

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    5. Re:It's the Gods of Climate Change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't make a damn bit of difference if you "believe" in climate change if you're not acting on it in a personal fashion. I'm so sick of hearing crap like this from people who still haven't addressed their own carbon footprint.

      100,000 people with my carbon footprint cannot, by any amount of self-sacrifice, counter the CO2 emissions directly caused by one single rich idiot who tells me that I'm not doing enough.

      As others rant, when Hollywood environmentalists support nuclear energy to replace coal and stop using private jets when alternate transportation exists, then there might be something to this current CO2 scare.

    6. Re:It's the Gods of Climate Change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I forward the dash cam footage of it to the state's clean air board. I've sent in three videos now, and I know for a fact they've acted on at least one of them already.

      Keep rolling coal. I get the giggles when they revoke license plates for pure ahole behavior.

    7. Re:It's the Gods of Climate Change by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      It's not a good idea to pollute the ocean like that.

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    8. Re:It's the Gods of Climate Change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the government signs papers that will put funding into Electric Car R&D.
       
      Um, they are. What do you think the tax incentives for buying an EV are? That's a great way to do it too. Show that there is a market and get incentive packages. It may not be direct to the producer but there are a lot of EVs that are on the road because of them and that translates to profits for the manufacturers.
       
      I think the public doesn't want another "paper" research company that sucks in millions and never produces a working product. I don't blame them. EVs have enough traction now that buyer incentives are a fair shake at R&D dollars for the manufacturers, albeit in a roundabout method of funding.
       
      Oh, an Tesla alone has been granted BILLIONS in government funding. Have they even produced a million vehicles yet? That sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

    9. Re:It's the Gods of Climate Change by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      We don't all live in the People's Republic of California.

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    10. Re:It's the Gods of Climate Change by twosat · · Score: 1

      Don't they normally want virgins? I understand that there are a lot of them to be found at computer centers.

  27. Predator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obviously the predators are coming and will be expecting some offerings to host aliens for the hunt in the underground pyramid. They've already made a documentary about this.... not sure why everyone doesn't know about it.

  28. Weddell Polynya by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Weddell Polynya is reasonably well understood

    "The Southern Ocean is strongly stratified. A very cold but relatively fresh water layer covers a much warmer and saltier water mass, thus acting as an insulating layer," explains Prof. Dr. Mojib Latif, head of the Research Division at GEOMAR. Under certain conditions, the warm water of the lower layer can reach the surface and melt the ice. "This is like opening a pressure relief valve - the ocean then releases a surplus of heat to the atmosphere for several consecutive winters until the heat reservoir is exhausted," adds Professor Latif

    1. Re:Weddell Polynya by tomxor · · Score: 1

      I don't mean to be alarmist but this sounds like another one to add to the list of warming runaway effects, or is this supposed to be a more frequent and normal occurrence?

    2. Re:Weddell Polynya by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      It's probably something we'll see more of, but how much of that is due to there being more shipping (fishing boats in particular) and satellite coverage that can report on them isn't so clear.

      This polynya was (re-)discovered by a passive sea-properties float surfacing in the gap and managing to upload it's data load to a satellite. Those floats (and the communications satellites) didn't exist in the 1970s when this polynya was previously reported.

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  29. Bigger than a bathtub? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is "80,000 km^2" in human terms?

    1. Re:Bigger than a bathtub? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Approximately 30,000 mi^2.

    2. Re:Bigger than a bathtub? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      15 million football fields.

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    3. Re:Bigger than a bathtub? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is "80,000 km^2" in human terms?

      Your question should be "What is '80,000 km^2' in American terms?" instead...

    4. Re:Bigger than a bathtub? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Considering he used bathtubs as an example and asked for human terms, I believe he was looking for something like the list I'm about to provide, each of which is close to 80,000 km^2, rather than having a number that is beyond our ability to grasp easily expressed in terms of equally ungraspable units.

      Anywhere, here's a quick list I pulled together of some notable items between about 77K and 83K km^2:
      - Austria
      - Czech Republic
      - Lake Superior
      - Maine, USA
      - Scotland
      - South Carolina, USA
      - United Arab Emirates

      Rather than being a smart ass, why don't you actually listen to what the guy is asking next time and respond with something useful?

  30. Where's the goatse image by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Where's the goatse image ... the one time where it forms an appropriate illustration and it's gone!

  31. This is Antarctica by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a$$hole

  32. A giant hole has opened up in Antarctica ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Climate scientists are looking into it.

  33. Re: Queue up the jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

  34. Giant Crack by Bruha · · Score: 1

    So the giant crack in the image is not a concern?

  35. submarine volcano by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it makes better sense to imagine a submarine volcano erupting from time to time.
    that would explain why this very hole showed up 40 years ago too.

  36. Human-Generated Climate Change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clearly, this is the fault of humans. We should voluntarily exterminate ourselves immediately (except for the wealthy elite, of course).

  37. Re: Queue up the jokes by stealth_finger · · Score: 2

    Quite clearly the lizard people are getting ready for their attack on the over world.

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  38. Poll flip? by grahamm · · Score: 1

    Maybe it heralds the flipping of the magnetic poles, which has happened in the past and according to some is overdue.

    1. Re:Poll flip? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      One is the result of electrical currents around 4000km down in the Earth's lithosphere, and the other due to water currents in the top kilometre of the hydrosphere.

      Yes, a magnetic pole flip is probably due - today plus-or-minus a hundred thousand years.

      Magnetostratigraphy (studying the sequences of magnetic reversals in history) is a standard industrial technique, often associated with techniques of palynology and micro- and nanno- palaeontology for correlation of time slices. (NB : I know that nannopalaeontologists don't follow normal spelling conventions in their field's name. As far as I can tell, it's a shibboleth.)

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  39. A *** Hole Has Opened Up *** ? by Mats+Svensson · · Score: 0

    There is a Trump tower in Antarctica now?

    1. Re:A *** Hole Has Opened Up *** ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your asshole is still hurting from his thrusting your ideology back up your ass last fall.

      And, by the way, your mother loved getting her pussy grabbed when she was in college.

  40. AVP is a documentary! by kfh227 · · Score: 1

    It's happening!

  41. Polynia by Shompol · · Score: 1

    "polynia" is a Russian word that stands for "naturally-formed hole in the ice". They are formed due to current.

    1. Re:Polynia by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      That's funny. Using google translate, Russian "polynia" translates in English to "polynia".

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    2. Re:Polynia by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      I thought Polynia is where Moana lived.

  42. No mystery here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... Volcano.

  43. In the right light... by Torodung · · Score: 1

    ...you look like Shackleton!

    Start the expedition.

    Vaguely more on topic than a lot of what I'm reading here.

  44. I wonder if they have szechuan sauce there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    because that's what this is all about

  45. In related news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In related news, a certain Charles Bishop Weyland is on his way to Antarctica to examine the phenomenon.

  46. Let me guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me guess, in order to fix this, I have to pay a carbon tax to greedy bastards in Washington DC for a problem THEY created in the first place?

    Ummmm. NO!

  47. Everyone has a theory by boudie2 · · Score: 1

    There certainly seems to be no shortage of bizarre stories in the news recently. Of course they can't all be right, is the stargate in Antarctica or at CERN in Switzerland? Both? Neither? Are we to be invaded by both Nazis and aliens at the same time we're hit by Nibiru? Or my favorite is that there must be something going on in Antarctica otherwise why did Buzz Aldrin at age 86 go there last year? Has to be aliens. The human imagination is a wonderful thing, sometimes.

  48. ... lol by knope · · Score: 0

    One iceberg to rule them all, one iceberg to find them, One iceberg to biceberg them all and in the darkness bind them.

  49. Re: Queue up the jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Take that inner earth deniers!

  50. Nothing to see here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing to see here people, its just the Yautja on one of their routine coming of age hunts.

  51. Was there last year too by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    It is the second year in a row it happened in the last 40 years. So it has been opening and closing off and on for at least 40 years.

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  52. For those who use metric by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those who use metric, it's a bit less than three standard Belgiums.

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    1. Re:For those who use metric by blindseer · · Score: 2

      A "standard" Belgium? As opposed to what? An "imperial" Belgium?

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    2. Re:For those who use metric by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      As opposed to a substandard Belgium, of course.

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    3. Re:For those who use metric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A "standard" Belgium? As opposed to what? An "imperial" Belgium?

      As opposed to the "Royal We".

    4. Re:For those who use metric by hazardPPP · · Score: 4, Funny

      A "standard" Belgium? As opposed to what? An "imperial" Belgium?

      Yes. Imperial Belgium is much bigger, as it included the Congo. The Congo is very big.

  53. North Korea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They really missed their target this time, huh?

  54. Cthulhu did this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The stars are right, people.

    Great Cthulhu will walk the earth once again :)

  55. Re: Queue up the jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who's the chair operator this time?

  56. You Scumdogs! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's GWAR's hideout.

  57. Re: Queue up the jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The new home of goatse?

  58. Alright by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    We're at 135 posts so far and nobody made the obvious connection.

    A giant mysterious hole has opened up in Antarctica? The answer is obvious: it's the other end of a wormhole that links to Uranus.

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    1. Re:Alright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your anus? That's just gross.

      And, yes, I'm never too old to not make that joke.

    2. Re:Alright by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      That says more about you than it does about JoeAverageSlashdot.

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  59. AvP ... Right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't AvP start out with a giant hole in the ice?

  60. Cthulhu awakens by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

    The shoggoths continue their dark work, and prepare us all to enter the maw. Cthulhu awakens, and he is not best pleased.

  61. It was DPRK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They were testing a "rod from god" dispenser on board one of their derelict "satellites".

  62. Volcano? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    This range of very active volcanoes have been discovered. Perhaps no one put the 2 together? Or maybe steam from one that is about to erupt could be sending heat beneath the ice pack.

    One Island on Antarctica's shores has a Caldera supervolano similar to Yellowstone that produces hot springs for warm bathing by humans. Even if there is no eruption some steam and hot water ahead of one can give off an incredible amount of heat under an already stressed ice pack.

    1. Re:Volcano? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Discovering a volcano doesn't have any impact on the ice sheet. The volcano was already there. We already have very good estimates on the amount of geothermal flux under the ice. Discovering volcano helps tell us where that flux is concentrated and can potentially make models of ice moments more accurate. That said, this polynya is believed to be do to ocean flows. Here's some modeling of that. No need for volcanoes. There's plenty of heat in the lower layers of the waters around Antarctica.

    2. Re:Volcano? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      This range of very active volcanoes have been discovered.

      Your Washington Post article doesn't include a map of where these volcanoes are. Since I did RTFA on that, and submitted it to slashdot (someone beat me the front page), I have seen the maps of those volcano locations (follow the link in my previous posting). They are specifically compared in both length of province and width of province with the East African Rift volcanic province (Fig 1 of linked-to OpenAccess PDF).

      Perhaps no one put the 2 together?

      Perhaps, if you'd read the article (the link has been available for a couple of months), you'd know why there is no 2 to put together. Oh, you'd need the location of the Wedell Sea Polynya? Follow the link I posted up-thread.

      Or maybe steam from one that is about to erupt could be sending heat beneath the ice pack. One Island on Antarctica's shores has a Caldera supervolano similar to Yellowstone that produces hot springs for warm bathing by humans. Even if there is no eruption some steam and hot water ahead of one can give off an incredible amount of heat under an already stressed ice pack.

      Not impossible, but not actually relevant. See the article and map I cited a few moments ago. As an alternative, you might have tried drawing a seabed profile across the area and identifying the undersea topography for yourself (I use GeoMapApp for that, but I'm very open to better tools.)

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  63. Re: Queue up the jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

    I think you mean

    Tekeli-li! Tekeli-li!...

    as R'lyeh is a wee bit further north...

  64. Re:Quick by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1

    They did, and confirmed it is indeed a hole.

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  65. Re: "We're still trying to figure out what's going by sexconker · · Score: 1

    Uh, you're the one jumping to the conclusion that it is caused by "climate change", with the insinuation that it's due to humans.

  66. Firesign Theater: by Hartree · · Score: 1

    "The one with the ever widening hole in it!"

  67. Re: Queue up the jokes by spun · · Score: 1

    For those not familiar with the Lovecraft oeuvre, Antarctica was inhabited by Elder Things and their servants, the Shoggoths, who came to Earth hundreds of millions of years ago. They fought with Cthulhu.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  68. Reboot the universe by DrYak · · Score: 3, Funny

    Upgrade the universe to 64-bits already!

    But then I'll need to reboot the universe, and I still have a few unsaved tabs.

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  69. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  70. Moulder called by future+assassin · · Score: 1

    this time he says it not real and nothing to see.

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  71. For those who use atomic units by tomxor · · Score: 1

    And for those of us who prefer atomic units it's...

    An area of about 32.7 Nonillion (32.7e30) rBohr square, or about 326 Octillion (326e27) cesium atoms in a 2d latice.

  72. Warning for flat earthers! by johannesg · · Score: 1

    Don't get too close, or you might fall through and land on the turtle.

  73. Re: Queue up the jokes by irving47 · · Score: 1

    No, if you research Steve Quayle, it's obviously the *giants* about to come out after us.

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  74. useful indicator here by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

    The way the phrase "ice pack" gets tossed around like elitest jargon is a reliable indicator of buffoonery.

    Insensitive cloddery ftw ...

  75. Hold on a sec.... I'll ask my grandson.... by mark-t · · Score: 1

    .... he breaks everything. If there's a hole in it where there shouldn't be, he's probably responsible. In his defense, he probably didn't really mean to do it, but was afraid to tell anyone because he thought he'd get in trouble.

  76. Re: Queue up the jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For those not familiar with the Lovecraft oeuvre, Antarctica was inhabited by Elder Things and their servants, the Shoggoths, who came to Earth hundreds of millions of years ago.

    Did they come in DC-8 spacecraft?

  77. Re: Queue up the jokes by spun · · Score: 1

    Nah, this was way before Xenu and his crew rose to power. I think Elder Things arrived here in the Cambrian, ~500 million years ago. Xenu flew his DC-8s here 75 million years ago. I've been binge watching Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath.

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  78. Thor's Hammer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The simplest explanations are the best.

  79. Re: "We're still trying to figure out what's going by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nowhere did I write anything about what caused it. I merely stated that deniers are already denying. No insinuation. No implication. You inferred what you wanted to infer – heard what you wanted to hear. You are the one who jumped to a conclusion. Back in your hole Russian sock puppet.

  80. I'm so glad... by PuddleBoy · · Score: 1

    that nobody made a comment about Trump flying to Antarctica to make a speech!

  81. My Fault, Sorry Guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was trying to dig a tunnel to China, but I got lost along the way.

  82. Its Aftermath of a Nuclear Submarine Detonation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jeez yall, didn't anyone see "Fate of the Furious"? ( aka Fast and the Furious 8) ? Some crazy heartless blonde chick stole a submarine with nukes from a secret Russian submarine base out there. Then she tried to kill Dominic Toretto by launching a heat seeker missile at him, but he used the exhaust flare on his Dodge Ice Charger to redirect it and send it flying back at the sub and blew the whole thing to kingdom come, leaving a huge hole in the ice. Totally declassified and the whole world got to see it on the big screen this past July. This is old news!

  83. Re: Queue up the jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Eternal City slumbering through the eons as puny man scurries hither and thither on his petty errands to further his childish designs. The sleeper awakes, tentacles twitch and then one eye opens to lay it's gaze on the delightful feast humanity has become.

  84. Re:Anything to further the "cause" by dave420 · · Score: 1

    Write a paper, win all the money. Go on! We'll wait.

  85. Transformers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's Megatron!

    Transformers are here.

  86. Re:Queue up the jokes by frogmaw · · Score: 1

    Release the Kraken!

  87. Danny Kaye Would Have Been Proud by tmjva · · Score: 1

    There's a Hole in the Bottom of the Sea

    There's a hole in the bottom of the sea
    There's a hole in the bottom of the sea
    There's a hole, there's a hole
    There's a hole in the bottom of the sea

    There's a log in the hole in the bottom of the sea
    There's a log in the hole in the bottom of the sea
    There's a log, there's a log
    There's a log in the hole in the bottom of the sea

    There's a branch on the log...

    There's a bump on the branch...

    There's a frog on the bump...

    There's a tail on the frog...

    There's a speck on the tail...

    There's a fleck on the speck...

    So let's flick the fleck, brush the speck
    Twist the tail, pet the frog
    Flatten the bump, break the branch
    burn the log, fill the hole in the bottom of the sea!

    Because we need it like a hole in the sea

    See?

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  88. Re: Queue up the jokes by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    Elder Things didn't seem to make much sound, but Shoggoths went "Tekeli-li!" (from a book of Poe's). Thing is, the Elder Things lost control to the Shoggoths, who pretty much run things there now.

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  89. Re: Queue up the jokes by spun · · Score: 1

    Yup. At the Mountains of Madness was one of my favorite Lovecraft stories.

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