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China Shuts Down Tens Of Thousands Of Factories In Widespread Pollution Crackdown (msn.com)

Buildings in China are shrouded in smog. From a report: China has implemented an unprecedented pollution crackdown in recent months as the country shuts down tens of thousands of factories. The effort is part of a national effort to address China's infamous pollution and has affected wide swaths of China's manufacturing sector. In total, it is estimated that 40 percent of all China's factories have been shut down at some point in order to be inspected by environmental bureau officials. As a result of these inspections over 80,000 factories have been hit with fines and criminal offenses as a result of their emissions. Safety officials have been moving from province to province (30 in total so far) shutting down factories as well as electricity and gas as they inspect the factories for meeting emissions requirements. This has resulted in late and missed orders, increased costs, and could ultimately result in higher prices on US shelves.

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  1. Resources! by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who knew that cleanliness was a resource and you could use it up and run out?

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  2. sounds good by zlives · · Score: 2

    sooner or later this had to happen...

  3. Shut down before inspecting? by Ecuador · · Score: 3, Insightful

    40 percent of all China's factories have been shut down at some point in order to be inspected by environmental bureau officials.

    Wouldn't you want to inspect them before you shut them down? I mean how bad can the emissions of a shut-down factory be?

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    1. Re:Shut down before inspecting? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wouldn't you want to inspect them before you shut them down?

      Nope. You want to shut them down first. Then, the factory managers will be more accommodating as to your bribe money to let them re-open again.

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    2. Re:Shut down before inspecting? by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      Not quite. A shutdown factory is taking unused space, and the emissions will go toward building the new one. In generally you are greener in referbing existing building. But you don't get the shiny new building.

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    3. Re:Shut down before inspecting? by Aighearach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      1) The inspector is an important government employee, not a low lever person who needs your pocket change
      2) Accepting a bribe like that when the government is trying to do a special program of cleanup will result in the death penalty in China.

      Bribes are more likely when the factory is running, because the inspector can just agree to say they inspected everything that was safe to inspect with the equipment running.

  4. Re:You know your country sucks when.... by kwerle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They really aren't.

    https://www.google.com/search?...

    You look at those pictures and think that it's amazing it was that bad, one day. It wasn't. It is that bad nearly all the time. It is a hellscape and it is killing them by the millions.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com...

    But they have acknowledged there is a problem and that steps need to be taken.

  5. Shakedown by officials, same old story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Once they pay their "fines" they can go back to polluting. Unless they complain and a firing squad is needed. Happened before, will happen again. I have stories from the eighties of execs being executed for "bad business practices and polluting". Didn't stop then, will not stop now.

    1. Re:Shakedown by officials, same old story by SirSlud · · Score: 2

      Nothing ever changes, by which I'm actually only referring to people who believe that.

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  6. Think of the Children by FeelGood314 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seriously, the author is worried about spending a tiny bit more at Walmart because school kids in China now get cleaner air?

  7. Re:You know your country sucks when.... by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Putting America First, means being last globally.

    China putting these investments in may cause higher prices for their goods in the short term. However showing environmental consciousness could pay off in the long run. With Many EU countries also getting concerned about the environmental impact of its whole supply chain, China may be a better choice. Causing America to Sadly be left behind, having to change only after it is too late, and would be difficult to gain a food hold in the market they have loss.

    The US economy needs more customers not lower costs to grow. Having Trump in the office only means other leaders will be able to be the grownup in the room and push their agenda.

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  8. Not higher prices, more efficient factories by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The thing is, those who have little knowledge of how China works fail to understand how patronage has allowed very inefficient factories to continue to exist.

    Starting with the replacement of old WW I style mills and power systems based on coal, China has literally either forced them to be replaced with cogeneration coal plants that capture excess heat, allowing an old style to produce twice the power output with the same raw inputs. They closed down those which could not be retrofitted.

    Now they are doing the same with many of the factories. New factory designs are far more efficient, and cheaper to operate, allowing far fewer raw inputs to produce valuable goods, and requiring far less power.

    Which makes them more competitive, dropping prices, not raising them.

    This is part of why the Western US, with high investment in renewable power and modern fabrication techniques, outcompetes the old style factories in other regions.

    Does it cost? For a 2-5 year cycle, sure. But it drops your operating expenses and maintenance, and it lets you outcompete the fossil factories kept up with wire and tape.

    Stop focusing on the short term quarterly results, and look to the operational cradle-to-grave results. Adapt or die.

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  9. Re:You know your country sucks when.... by mspohr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Los Angeles used to be like this... then we had the Clean Air Act and cleaned it up. (Of course, now Trump is dismantling the Clean Air Act so we'll be like China soon).

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  10. Re:You know your country sucks when.... by skids · · Score: 4, Informative

    China's main political push right now is preventing societal instability... the government is doing so with quite a heavy hand when it comes to politics with severe harassment of journalists, lawyers, and activists. One thing that has been a major source of unrest in the past is riots due to insufferable environmental conditions, so this would logically fit on the list of things to do towards quelling unrest. So it's part of a mixed bag from a moral perspective.

    Despite a better commitment to renewables than the U.S has, China is playing catch-up and has a long way to close the gap in environmental protections... but hey, since we are currently backsliding at the federal level that makes catching up easier for them at least, I guess...

  11. Re:Expect prices to rise by rogoshen1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Plot twist: massive disparity in wealth distribution and gender imbalance brought on by the one child policy lead to massive social unrest by 2030. Entire house of cards comes tumbling down.

  12. Re:You know your country sucks when.... by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    China's main political push right now is preventing societal instability...

    In contrast to the US, where identity politics are the norm and people are constantly barraged with how someone is keeping someone else down. China prospers while the US courts a second civil war.

  13. Re:You know your country sucks when.... by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 3, Informative

    Try 1963 and 1970... a little more than 2 years.

    Please. Here's the actual text from the executive order:

    Sec. 3. Rescission of Certain Energy and Climate-Related Presidential and Regulatory Actions. (a) The following Presidential actions are hereby revoked:

    (i) Executive Order 13653 of November 1, 2013 (Preparing the United States for the Impacts of Climate Change);

    (ii) The Presidential Memorandum of June 25, 2013 (Power Sector Carbon Pollution Standards);

    (iii) The Presidential Memorandum of November 3, 2015 (Mitigating Impacts on Natural Resources from Development and Encouraging Related Private Investment); and

    (iv) The Presidential Memorandum of September 21, 2016 (Climate Change and National Security).

    Your turn if you have an actual source that actually says stuff from 1963 and 1970 is going away.

  14. Re:Expect prices to rise by Gavagai80 · · Score: 2

    The massive wealth disparity could lead to communist revolution.

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  15. Re:You know your country sucks when.... by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 2

    So let's take stock: the trollish comment braying ridiculous partisan talking points is modded insightful; the comment asking for the basis of the first comment is modded troll.

    The lunatics are officially running the Slashdot asylum.