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Google Docs Is Randomly Flagging Files for Violating Its Terms of Service (vice.com)

Louise Matsakis, writing for Motherboard: Google Docs, the collaborative, cloud-based word processing software, appears to be randomly flagging files for supposedly "violating" Google's Terms of Service. A member of Motherboard's team, as well as numerous users on Twitter, report that their documents are being locked for no apparent reason. Once a document is flagged, the owner of that document can no longer share it with other users. Users who have already been shared on a document that's been flagged are kicked out and can no longer access it. When a draft Motherboard article was locked on Monday morning, a message took over the screen that read "This item has been flagged as inappropriate and can no longer be shared." It's not clear why this is happening, but it may be the result of a glitch in the system Google uses to monitor Google Docs. DownDetector is currently reporting Google Drive problems in the US and Europe, which may be part of the problem.

190 comments

  1. Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 0

    Commonly-used software has bug(s), users impacted, company investigating fix. That story, and your local weather, right after this word from our sponsors.

    1. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by lgw · · Score: 5, Informative

      Anyone who follows any sort of weapons or gaming or political channel on YouTube knows just how over-aggressive the Google's flagging bots can be. Very bland content now routinely gets flagged for no apparent reason and must be manually appealed. Sure, the bots are intended to do something Google actually wants: demonitize genuinely offensive content so that advertizers aren't embarassed, but that's not what the bots actually do. The collateral damage seems to be 10x the intended effect, with real harm done to people earning their living as vloggers.

      I'm betting this is just more of the same. Google has some stuff they legitimately want to ban (e.g., sharing pirated content form you Google drive), but then the bots are badly written and poorly tested, and wreak havoc.

      I'd call it poor customer service, but of course we know we're not Google's customers - only their ad buyers are their customers. Still, seems a bad way to treat your product.

      --
      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    2. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...Still, seems a bad way to treat your product.

      ssshhhh... be quite or they'll print a EULA under your clothes and shrink wrap you!

      --
      You have the right to remain sentient. If you give up the right to remain sentient, you will be elected to public office
    3. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      with real harm done to people earning their living as vloggers.

      Then maybe they should go get themselves a real job, or set up their own video service if they're not happy with YouTube. YouTube doesn't owe them anything.

      I'd call it poor customer service, but of course we know we're not Google's customers - only their ad buyers are their customers. Still, seems a bad way to treat your product.

      Sure, and if you don't like it, don't use it. No one's forcing these people to use YouTube.

    4. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 5, Insightful

      YouTube is a defacto monopoly at this point. It was set up to be a Commons where everybody could participate. It has no competitor of a similar scale.

      So perhaps it should be broken away from Google and made a separate entity again. Google can still contract with them to sell ads on it.

      Or maybe it should be made into a true Commons without a corporate overlord running it.

    5. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Commonly-used software has bug(s), users impacted, company investigating fix. That story, and your local weather, right after this word from our sponsors.

      Except it is randomly flagging files! Random! A bug would be arbitrarily flagging them. Why is Google using an RNG to flag files? That's crazy!

    6. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Grishnakh · · Score: 1, Informative

      It's not a monopoly. There are other video services out there, such as Vimeo. Or you can just set up your own website and serve your own videos. You don't need YouTube to make video available to people.

      As for not having a corporate overlord, how exactly do you think such a thing would keep running? It costs a lot of money to keep a system like that in operation.

    7. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Aighearach · · Score: 1

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    8. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I propose that we--as a society--agree to mentally decouple content and advertisements. In a world where advertisements are algorithmically selected, who in their right mind would begrudge an advertiser if their ad ran against "offensive" content? Blame the algorithm, not the advertiser.

      -jd

    9. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by HiThere · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Just how would you propose supporting it as a true commons? The only two sources of support I can think of are ads and subscriptions, and subscriptions don't meet much approval. (Possibly when I get a refillable credit card I'll consider supporting a lot of places I approve of, but I don't really trust committing funds over the open web. I need a way to limit my exposure that isn't too inconvenient.)

      --

      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    10. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Anyone who follows any sort of weapons or gaming or political channel on YouTube knows

      ... or should know, that they're really out in the fringe, outside of commentary careful enough to commit to words, but well within the range suitable for blathering on anyways.

      The situation in the story is a lot more sympathetic; media outlet has their words flagged, while on a service that offers private sharing, even though those words are suitable for public display and even though those words were not yet shared with the public.

      Much more sympathetic than, "Illiterate nutters have their videos flagged on a public distribution platform and can't understand the terms of service well enough to figure out why."

    11. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by dissy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Anyone who follows any sort of weapons or gaming or political channel on YouTube knows just how over-aggressive the Google's flagging bots can be.

      I don't think "aggressive" is even the correct category of term to use here.

      The most amazing and baffling example I've seen was after a live stream.
      The stream lasted almost 3 hours, and all was well. At the end of the stream the VOD was marked to post to the channel in its entirety.

      Either the stream or the archived full copy was flagged at all.

      The next morning editing began, which was to cut the original video into segments aligned to the few topics discussed on stream. 5 segments in all.

      2 of those 5 were flagged as not suitable for advertisers. Keep in mind, those 2 segments were exact copies from the original stream, which is still suitable for advertisers.

      So the bot had decided that one copy of the video was not suitable for ads, which is an exact copy of time marks 36m-72m within another video which was sutable for ads

      What this shows is that you can upload the exact same video multiple times, with the exact same description text, and the same title but with " - 1" or " - 2" etc. appended, and have a non-zero chance that some but not all of those copies will get flagged while the other copies will remain fine, despite being identical copies.

      This is not simply being aggressive, this is being broken and incapable of basic pattern matching.

    12. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Aighearach · · Score: 3, Informative

      YouTube is a defacto monopoly at this point. It was set up to be a Commons where everybody could participate. It has no competitor of a similar scale.

      So perhaps it should be broken away from Google and made a separate entity again. Google can still contract with them to sell ads on it.

      Or maybe it should be made into a true Commons without a corporate overlord running it.

      A "true commons" is not something that can exist under US law, thankfully. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Here all land is owned. Even land you have a right to access is owned, probably by a government entity, and that entity is charged with regulating access. For example, in the traditional example of common land used for grazing, in the United States grazing on government-owned land is regulated and requires permits. There is no Commons.

      Youtube may or may not be a "defacto" monopoly as that is a loose and subjective phrase that can mean anything. Here in the US we only care if a monopoly results in the two banned things; harming consumers, and harming competition.

      To claim harm to competition you'd have to be able to show losses or lack of access because of youtube's monopoly; but nobody else (other than pornographers) have even been able to make a profit on user-contributed internet video. They would have to be able to show that youtube is somehow preventing competition. But the nature of the internet makes that unlikely unless they were using some sort of active strategy that keeps people out; yet, their market dominance is based solely on customer preference! Customers aren't even locked in in any way. (As for the pornographers, youtube doesn't allow porn and so don't compete directly, and therefore doesn't harm them at all)

      To claim harm to consumers you'd have to be able to show that prices were higher because of youtube. That's not going to happen, it is a free service!

      If something is bad for the "vloggers" it doesn't matter; they're only protected as a consumer, and they're being paid so they're not even a consumer they're a business partner. It is only customers and competitors, rather than business partners, that are protected.

    13. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      No it is not. And neither is google or any of the other services that it has.

    14. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How the hell is YouTube a monopoly? It's a glorified web host that automatically makes embed tags for you.

      If YouTube isn't working out for you, you always have the option of making an AWS account, a linux box running nginx or apache2, and writing your own embed tag in some HTML.

      Literally anyone could do that in 30 minutes from knowing nothing by following a tutorial or two readily available with a Google (or someone else) search.

    15. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 3, Informative
      Why would a video showing you how to change the bearings in an antiques drill press violate TOS?

      Unplug from wall, remove cover, tap out chuck,pull bearing,press new bearing in, insert chuck, screw cover back on.

    16. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It could be certain word(s) that are above a threshold in the smaller segments but those things are talked about in the other segments so the appearance rate is lower, and below the threshold, in the combined video.

    17. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have written my own text editor(s) and other dedicated software from scratch. I maintain my own cloud running my own + free software. Life can be a breeze, if you know better.

    18. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Then maybe they should go get themselves a real job

      If you work a full week in order to produce content, how is that not a real job? If you employ a staff, and are actually running a small business, how are these not real jobs?

      They are new kinds of jobs, but real jobs nonetheless.

      or set up their own video service if they're not happy with YouTube

      Oh, everyone is very aware that YouTube is not their friend at this point. The problem is, most of the alternatives have either been scammers, or poor re-implementations of YouTube with all the same issues. None of them, for example, allow role-based administration of a channel (needed as soon as you grow beyond a 1-man shop).

      Everyone I follow with a larger following is Patreon-funded now, but you have to build your channel to that point, and you need an established service to build that following.

      No one's forcing these people to use YouTube.

      It's the only realistic option today. Sure, Google may "owe them" nothing .. nothing that is beyond not being a dick to your fellow man (aka: don't be evil).

      --
      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    19. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

      > Very bland content now routinely gets flagged for no apparent reason and must be manually appealed.

      It is worse then that. When even a black screen gets flagged for "copyright violation" you know YouTube is seriously broken.

      Google doesn't give a shit about quality assurance. Witness their mentality -- everything is in "Beta" aka "Broken".

    20. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by lgw · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Gaming" is hardly fringe these days. It's a bigger business than the movies. Is your mind still in the 90s?

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      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    21. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Quirkz · · Score: 2

      MAYBE IT HAS A YELLING FILTER?

      Ahem. Take two. What I mean to say is, maybe it's got some metrics about the density of certain words or topics. Spread over a bigger piece, it doesn't trigger the alarms but in the shorter clip it does. Just a wild guess, though. It could also be a bug in the algorithm that just doesn't work on longer pieces or something. Or randomization. Or wild inconsistency.

    22. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think the real story here is the new (pseudo-?) random number generator apparently employed in this flagging service.

    23. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      Is your mind still in the 90s?

      Doesn't asking this question worry you? Don't you wonder why you changed your way of thinking? Whose idea was it?

      Me, I'm darn proud of the fact that I'm trying to keep my mind as close to what it was in the 90s as is practicable given the onslaught of garbage data.

    24. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      YouTube has an effective monopoly over the community produced video streaming sector, just as Microsoft had an effective monopoly over the desktop operating system back in the late 90's, when they got in trouble for bundling Internet Explorer in an deliberate move to undermine Mozilla.

      YouTube is using its control of its monetization tools to undermine whatever content they think should not be produced. Do you really want to pretend that Google's massive advertising operation is just some glorified web host running on AWS and claim that anyone could "do that in 30 minutes"?

    25. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1

      Nationalize that shit homey

    26. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is really no different than the phone company restricting you from the phone lines because they don't like what you have to say. This is what google, youtube, twitter, facebook, etc are doing. These sites are effectively "the internet" now and for western democracies to allow them to throw out whatever speech they don't like is harmful to our way of life.

    27. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's correct this. Vimeo is an option...for the infinitely determined. I tried uploading a video. Not accepted. I persisted, not because it mattered all that much to me, but just to see if it was doable at all. Eventually I got my video uploaded.

      It turned out to be several orders of magnitude more painful to upload a video to Vimeo than to YouTube.

    28. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maintaining a sense of self or values is admirable. Being willfully ignorant is the exact opposite of that.

    29. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Teckla · · Score: 1

      Me, I'm darn proud of the fact that I'm trying to keep my mind as close to what it was in the 90s as is practicable given the onslaught of garbage data.

      If you want to keep your mind sharp, you might want to consider gaming. So far the aggregate of the scientific studies done on the subject suggest that gaming is very good for your brain.

      ;-)

    30. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by DogDude · · Score: 1

      If your business relies solely on one other company, then you don't have a business: you're a serf.

      --
      I don't respond to AC's.
    31. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      I never said the other options were as convenient. Freedom usually isn't convenient; just ask any Linux desktop user about their selection of common proprietary applications (Photoshop, etc.). But YouTube is not a monopoly as claimed before: there other other options out there, even if you don't like them as much.

    32. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      If you work a full week in order to produce content, how is that not a real job?

      A real job has a real paycheck. If you can actually make a real living at it, OK, but most YouTube bloggers are just yahoos doing this in their spare time, or worse, have delusions of making it big like a small handful have and forsake actually working at a real career for this pipe dream.

      Anyway, I could quit my job now and write some open-source software on github, and I could easily work a full week doing that. If I can't pay the bills doing that, however, it's not a real job, it's a hobby. Just like most YouTube bloggers. There's a remote chance I could turn my github project into a full-time job somehow, but it's a very remote chance.

      The problem is, most of the alternatives have either been scammers, or poor re-implementations of YouTube with all the same issues.

      Then set up your own service. There are alternatives, even if you think they're not as good. They're not a monopoly.

      Sure, Google may "owe them" nothing .. nothing that is beyond not being a dick to your fellow man (aka: don't be evil).

      Why shouldn't Google be a dick to their fellow man? They have every right to be evil if they want. There's no law saying you can't be evil. If you think they're being evil, it's your responsibility to stop supporting them.

    33. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Nationalize it? Then it won't work at all; there's no way they'd be able to continue operating with different people in Congress fighting over how it should be administered, and worse they won't be able to hire competent help to run it, so it'll have to be outsourced to some corporation to run (the US government can't even run its own intranet or email systems, it's outsourced to HPE).

    34. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, your assertion is just plain stupid. MS had an effective monopoly on PC OSes because of compatibility problems: you can't (easily) run Microsoft Office on Linux, for instance, nor many many other very popular programs, many of which are critical for business use (like Photoshop, various engineering packages like CATIA or AutoCad, etc.). This phenomenon is called "lock-in".

      There's no lock-in with YouTube. There's no requirement that you host videos on YouTube; just ask the people at XVideos, YouPorn, etc. They had no problem setting up their own sites, There's other non-porn services like Vimeo. And you can always just set up your own server with a Linux box and nginx or apache, or set up an AWS instance, etc. Embedded videos on webpages are not proprietary; the technology is open and not that difficult.

    35. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

      TIL Chevy dealers are Serfs.

    36. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

      The operating noises of an antique drill sound like Lido Pimienta.

    37. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by mschwanke97402 · · Score: 1

      Just as Microsoft had an effective monopoly over the desktop operating system back in the late 90's, when they got in trouble for bundling Internet Explorer in an deliberate move to undermine Mozilla.

      Pretty sure it was Netscape that Microsoft put out of business in the late 90s.

    38. Re: Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      Fedgov is totally capable of running its own email system, should it choose to do so. The point of outsourcing is for some well-connected capitalists to get a nice fat Federal contract.

    39. Re: Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      The Google workers I've encountered all seemed to have an imaginatively high opinion of themselves. It must be difficult for many of them to accept that the general public has opened its eyes.

      That they are now widely regarded as enemies of freedom. That people see their despicable surveillance-based business model and recoil in disgust.

      That Google's obsession with constantly snooping and spying positively reeks of oppressive state surveillance, and people can no longer ignore the smell. That almost everyone sees Google's obvious love for censorship as inherently untrustworthy.

      That with the now widespread recognition Google has become too powerful, more and more people there are calling for Google/Alphabet to be broken up.

    40. Re: Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Google workers I've encountered all seemed to have an imaginatively high opinion of themselves. It must be difficult for many of them to accept that the general public has opened its eyes.

      That they are now widely regarded as enemies of freedom. That people see their despicable surveillance-based business model and recoil in disgust.

      That Google's obsession with constantly snooping and spying positively reeks of oppressive state surveillance, and people can no longer ignore the smell. That almost everyone sees Google's obvious love for censorship as inherently untrustworthy.

      That with the now widespread recognition Google has become too powerful, more and more people there are calling for Google/Alphabet to be broken up.

      The only counter-argument I would present is that none of that is actually happening though.

    41. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So perhaps it should be broken away from Google and made a separate entity again. Google can still contract with them to sell ads on it.

      Or maybe it should be made into a true Commons without a corporate overlord running it.

      I'll let you in on a secret. YouTube is a separate corporate entity from Google. They are both subsidiary's of Alphabet inc. So Google doesn't contract with YouTube to run ads, YouTube contracts to run ads. I agree this is legalistic shenanigans, but technically it is accurate.

    42. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Ahem, "ad-sense" is very much a monopoly by every definition of the term. Every other google service has not method of captivating the customer and fails on that part.

    43. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

      Great comment on the intranet! ..it's a reflection of them!

    44. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      A real job has a real paycheck. If you can actually make a real living at it,

      Jobs don't necessarily come with paychecks. That's regular employment or contracting. There's a lot of people out there who are doing something else.

      Jobs are not necessarily successful at first. If you're doing some sort of freelance work, there's a good chance you'll bleed money for a while, and then start being profitable.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    45. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many of those yahoo vloggers have you hired into "real" jobs?

    46. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Like... every franchise owner?

    47. Re: Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      That they are now widely regarded as enemies of freedom. That people see their despicable surveillance-based business model and recoil in disgust.

      Yeah, uhh.. nerds like myself on Slashdot may feel that way, but most people are totally fine with Google.

      That Google's obsession with constantly snooping and spying positively reeks of oppressive state surveillance, and people can no longer ignore the smell

      Most people don't care. They find things like their search history being discoverable and targeted ads and such as the new normal. As just the way the world works. Again: most people don't care about their privacy. Maybe they don't want the wife to find out about an affair, but it's not Google they blame when she does. They don't want their identity stolen, and while they might blame Equifax, they don't really blame a general system that makes it possible. Because convenience trumps security. Over the long run, it always has. People are HAPPY to give up their privacy if they think there are rewards to be reaped from it.

    48. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1

      "You are incapable of making good chocolate chip cookies"

      "Why?"

      "Because if you make a delicious batch of chocolate chip cookies, these fat greedy men in suits will piss all over it"

      May be the truth, but it's not an argument against my baking ability. Nationalize it and jail the fat greedy men for pissing all over the rest of our cookies.

    49. Re:Paging Ric Romero (again . . . ) by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Um, that really doesn't make any sense at all. Let me fix that analogy for you.

      "You are incapable of making good chocolate chip cookies"

      "Why?"

      "Because you've been given many opportunities to do so, and instead of actually doing it, you just go to the store and buy the most shitty, nasty cookies they have and then pass those out as if they're good. You've proven you don't even know good cookies from bad ones when you can buy whatever cookies you want, and you've never even attempted to learn how to make cookies on your own, so you've also proven you don't have the desire or discipline to make your own cookies."

  2. Sounds like the perfect time... by Type44Q · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sounds like the perfect time to finally ditch WordPerfect and use a modern, cloud-based word processor.

    1. Re:Sounds like the perfect time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm shocked — shocked! — to discover that WordPerfect Office X8 is available for download. I thought WordPerfect disappeared decades ago.

      cap: installs

    2. Re:Sounds like the perfect time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2 reasons:

      a) Governments (specifically, of Canada)
      b) Lawyers offices

      There is no other reason whatsoever for WordPerfect to still exist to this day.

  3. monitoring? by jm007 · · Score: 1

    "...a glitch in the system Google uses to monitor Google Docs..."

    wtf does this mean? the cynic in me can fill in the blanks but I'll wait for a more informed bit of info

    1. Re:monitoring? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Presumably, Google is scanning files uploaded to Docs for more than just viruses, which they do to any file uploaded there which is under a certain fairly large size. They are probably also scanning them for copyright violation, and also searching for their confidential documents because why wouldn't you? They almost certainly have given themselves the right to scan your documents for basically any reason they see fit, which is limited only by law, and not very much. They can't retain your medical information even if they find it, for example, and they can't trade stocks based on information they find in your docs which are not public, and they probably can't assign themselves copyright of any of your information, but they can do basically anything else.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    2. Re:monitoring? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Google Drive Terms of Service

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      When you upload, submit, store, send or receive content to or through Google Drive, you give Google a worldwide license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works (such as those resulting from translations, adaptations or other changes we make so that your content works better with our services), communicate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute such content. The rights you grant in this license are for the limited purpose of operating, promoting, and improving our services, and to develop new ones. This license continues even if you stop using our services unless you delete your content. Make sure you have the necessary rights to grant us this license for any content that you submit to Google Drive.

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      Device information

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      Log information

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    3. Re:monitoring? by mysidia · · Score: 2

      They can't retain your medical information even if they find it, for example

      No, they absolutely can do that if they want, well, in the US at least. In Europe they would be subject to privacy laws....

    4. Re:monitoring? by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm guessing his point in quoting all that is to show that, legally, when you upload your data to Google Drive, it's now *theirs*, and they can do what they want with it. If that means searching through it for stuff they don't like and then flagging it for violations, that's their right. If you don't like that, don't use it.

    5. Re:monitoring? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which part are you wondering about? The use of "monitor", or "glitch"?

      "Monitor" has been addressed by others who have already responded. They're all right on the money; Google isn't providing this "service" out of goodwill. Monitor and monetize - that much should be obvious. As such, no more needs to be said on this topic.

      "Glitch" is used whenever some technical problem arises and reporters, even those in the IT industry, have no fucking clue on how to report it. It's pretty much always a good indication as to whether this particular reporter is worth your time or not.

    6. Re:monitoring? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      More like they're sniffing through your shit so they can use it to improve their shit, and lock you out of your shit by patenting it. It's clearly written right there in their ToS. As evidenced by "The rights you grant in this license are for the limited purpose of operating, promoting, and improving our services, and to develop new ones."

      You have a paper on energy efficiency in programs and Google sees it and suspends your account, and then a couple weeks later something similar to what you were working on surfaces from them.

      I guarantee Google is doing this. There've been too many accounts suspended wherein the people that own them are in fields very close to what Google does.

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    7. Re:monitoring? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't wanna get gay married, then don't. If you don't want an abortion, then don't get one. That "if you don't like it" meme is complete bullshit and you damned well know it.

    8. Re:monitoring? by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      HIPPA, Pretty sure they'd be in deep shit in the US too if they kept *medical* info about you.

      From what I understand they basically don't screen private stuff for much beyond viruses and CP. Once you share it, it becomes subject to tighter scrutiny.

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    9. Re:monitoring? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Bullshit, it's completely correct. And WTF are you talking about anyway? If you don't like gay marriage, your first line is correct: don't get a gay marriage. No one's forcing you to. Are you trying to claim that other people have some kind of right to dictate what you can and can't do in your personal life?

    10. Re:monitoring? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      This sounds a bit conspiracy-theorish, but if it's true, I don't have much sympathy: as you said, it's in their ToS, and it's dumb to trust some faceless company with your private data like that. We got along just fine for decades using word processors on our PCs and saving files locally. And just ask any government what they think of saving classified materials in "the cloud". If you want to keep something private and secret, you don't stick it on the internet somewhere. I'm honestly sick of people choosing the path of greatest convenience and then complaining when it bites them in the ass because the for-profit corporation they're trusting turns out to have different values than they'd like.

    11. Re:monitoring? by mysidia · · Score: 2

      HIPPA, Pretty sure they'd be in deep shit in the US too if they kept *medical* info about you.

      HIPAA regulations apply SOLELY to HIPAA-Covered Entities which are health plans and clearinghouses (Insurance companies) and health providers; the rules don't have any affect and cannot be enforced against anyone else, Except sometimes when a covered entity engages the services of a 3rd party company who will handle some PHI, the covered entity may be required to make the 3rd party sign a special agreement called a "Business Associate Contract" assuming some liability regarding the security of the information.

      HIPAA rules DON'T apply to Google, with respect to messages in your Gmail box, or even your Google G Suite Inbox, that is, at least, unless you have a signed BAA contract on file covering that e-mail account.

    12. Re:monitoring? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Everything is scanned in real time for many different reasons. Files that have checksums that have been part of past police investigations.

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    13. Re:monitoring? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you trying to claim that other people have some kind of right to dictate what you can and can't do in your personal life?

      No, he is trying to make the point that some other people themselves think that they have that kind of right to dictate what you can and can't do in your personal life.

      Or, in other words, you and the poster you replied to appear to agree with each other.

    14. Re:monitoring? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Ok, maybe I'm missing something but I really don't see what that has to do with using Google services and then complaining about the way Google conducts themselves, because it's quite clear he disagrees with me about the "if you don' like it, don't use it" theme I'm advocating.

    15. Re:monitoring? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only problem is, I'd imagine it risks falling into the fallacious thinking of "being in a ToS makes it legal, and companies can do whatever they want morally, and legally" - which just isn't true on many levels. Also love the -1 mod on my last post, seems like the person who did it was too dopey to understand that just posting a snippet of something without any context will cause confusion.

    16. Re:monitoring? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Are you trying to claim that other people have some kind of right to dictate what you can and can't do in your personal life?

      Most arguments against gay marriage fall under one of two camps:
      1) It's sin, and the government should not endorse sin.
      2) Gay marriage, by its established acceptance, devalues 'traditional' marriage. IE, their marriage is an attack on my marriage and all marriages.

    17. Re:monitoring? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Exactly correct, those are the main two arguments. And they both boil down to either getting government involved in religion (which violates the First Amendment), or engaging in oppression (people should be free to do as they please as long as it doesn't materially harm others--"devaluing" traditional marriage can't be proven in any way, and as the type of marriage they're talking about is a religious institution, it's again a 1A violation).

    18. Re:monitoring? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      True, but marriage as a religious and government institution, totally linked, is traditional in the US. That will be a huge cultural sea-change to break that link. Unconstitutional or not, followers of the religions of Abraham are used to having their religious norms protected by US law. We already know that you can't just recognize "civil unions" as a marriage alternative, separate but equal only ever gets the separate part right.

      But anyway, I think the only way to real change is to let it come about naturally. Usually forcing the issues 'my way or the highway' involves a lot of backlash. If the Supreme Court had settled the issue of gay marriage in 2006, I think we'd still be fighting over it and the culture wars would have been nastier. By this point, the majority of people think it's really not that huge a deal.

  4. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    How's that 'Cloud' working out for ya?

    1. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazing for authoritarians.

    2. Re:So... by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1

      Github is working out just fine for me, thanks.

      But if by 'cloud' you mean ad revenue-seeking behavior-tracking service by a company that promised to do no evil but frequently does, then yeah I try to avoid that.

    3. Re:So... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      It's working out extremely well. These giant corporations are making a killing by convincing rubes that they need to put all their private data in "the cloud", and then the rubes do so, experience a lot of problems (service disruptions, having their stuff "flagged" for ToS violations, etc.), and then they whine and complain but they refuse to stop using the cloud services.

    4. Re:So... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Github works well from me only because of local copies. But I wouldn't want to use it for email.

      OTOH, it works for shared documents, as long as you are willing to use a proper license.

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    5. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey you! Get off of my cloud! Don't hang around cause two is a crowd on my cloud.

    6. Re:So... by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      A desktop computer with fully encrypted connections to a few trusted project collaborators is looking rather wise at this time.
      Who wants to risk some other party inspecting networked files?

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  5. And everyone, on three: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Cloud is a nicer way of saying 'someone else's computer that you have no control over'."

    1. Re:And everyone, on three: by HiThere · · Score: 2

      It's not even that. It's "Someone else's computer that you have no control over, and don't even know who owns it or in what country it resides. Or whether it will be on the same one tomorrow.".

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    2. Re:And everyone, on three: by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      My cloud resides in "The Planet" datacenter down in Brea, CA, USA.
      I have control over it, though it's someone else's HW (VPS).

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    3. Re:And everyone, on three: by HiThere · · Score: 1

      OK. And it's possible to have "own cloud" servers that you actually own and control. But that's not the normal state of affairs, and you shouldn't assume that when someone tells you they've stored something on the cloud.

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    4. Re:And everyone, on three: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. Either I have a computer with an OS that no one else can get at, or I am using someone else's computer. Simple as that.

      Windows - No
      OS X - Nein
      Android - HELL No
      ANYTHING in the "cloud" - Nope
      Major Linux Release - No way
      Any commercial UNIX/LINUX - Nuh-uh

      People laugh at me for doing all of my personal work on a stripped-down linux system that uses nothing but text files and lots of scripts. They think I am nuts for having a completely separate box with multiple stripped-down linuxen; one just to run PINE and another "burner" GUI OS to Comodo Dragon through a VPN. I never need to worry if Google or Microsoft or Apple or Amazon have any of my files. They just don't.

      I have an Android phone and I keep a copy of my contacts list on it, but that's all. I make calls with it and every so often I wipe the whole thing out and reset it.

      Paranoid? You can call me that if you want, but calling someone paranoid in a world where you are always "online" and you know for a certainty that companies track your every keyboard click and have God-level access to any files stored on any cloud servers, well calling me "paranoid" in that context says a lot more about you than it does about me.

    5. Re:And everyone, on three: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check out the decentralized encrypted cloud here: sia [dot] tech

      In short - your files are split into multiple pieces, encrypted and uploaded to something-like 50 different hosts with redundancy.
      No single host can hijack or access your data; you still have access even if some number of hosts you using gets offline.
      No central point of failure or an entity to serve "NSA papers" to.

      You paying with sia coins (crypto) for storing your stuff on the hosts.
      You can share unused space on your machine to be a host and receive payments for storing other people stuff (if you can run your machine 24/7)

      Check development roadmap here: https://trello.com/b/Io1dDyuI/sia-public-roadmap

  6. The "cloud" is just someone else's computer. by jcr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've been seeing a lot of messages on twitter about people who can't access their documents and don't have local copies. I guess they won't make that mistake again.

    -jcr

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    1. Re:The "cloud" is just someone else's computer. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I guess they won't make that mistake again.

      You really overestimate their intelligence. These are likely the same people who use Facebook and Windows despite repeated instances of blatant malicious behavior. There is a large portion of users that will not quit using abusive systems no matter the cost.

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    2. Re:The "cloud" is just someone else's computer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess they won't make that mistake again.

      -jcr

      Actually, most of them will make the same mistake again, and probably made it a few times in the past as well.

    3. Re:The "cloud" is just someone else's computer. by geekmux · · Score: 1

      I guess they won't make that mistake again.

      You really overestimate their intelligence. These are likely the same people who use Facebook and Windows despite repeated instances of blatant malicious behavior. There is a large portion of users that will not quit using abusive systems no matter the cost.

      Hate to point out the obvious, but cost is the main reason cheap-ass users put up with the abuse, particularly with social media.

      Facebook could start stealing identities and destroying credit scores tomorrow, and users would still brag that it's free.

    4. Re:The "cloud" is just someone else's computer. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      No one "needs" to use Facebook. It's purely a platform for entertainment.

    5. Re:The "cloud" is just someone else's computer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You make an AMAZING point if you consider the users as abused partners. Abused partners will often continue to stay in a relationship with their abuser despite all attempts to give them freedom to choose. "But I love him...." And they do - they love their abusers until they are killed by them.

      I'm semi-serious about this - not to trivialize the violence done in domestic relationships but to point out that if situations like that happen, how will you compete with something that gives you the connectivity of Facebook and Windows? Their abuse is too subtle, by comparison.

    6. Re: The "cloud" is just someone else's computer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called the battered wife siyndrome.

      "He beats me because he loves me"

    7. Re:The "cloud" is just someone else's computer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > No one "needs" to use Facebook. It's purely a platform for entertainment.

      Then you need to spread the message, because an awful lot of people have missed that memo. Some people, sadly, use Facebook as their only source of news and use what they learn from it without ever questioning its source.

    8. Re:The "cloud" is just someone else's computer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm having a lot of trouble figuring out how to post without manually copying my username into the body of my post, with every single post I make. Please someone help me out here, everyone else knows how to not do this but me.

      -jcr

    9. Re:The "cloud" is just someone else's computer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Hate to point out the obvious, but cost is the main reason cheap-ass users put up with the abuse, particularly with social media.

      It's inertia, not cost.

    10. Re:The "cloud" is just someone else's computer. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I can't force people to think and act rationally. I wish I could, but I can't. If I had that power, than religion wouldn't exist. If people are going to act in a completely irrational manner, there's nothing I can do about that, other than to point out that Facebook is garbage and not something that anyone *needs*.

      It would help if Zuckerberg didn't run around promoting "progressive" politicial views while simultaneously consciously enabling white nationalism, because that's the type of "news" that exists on Facebook. The site is a massive haven for right-wing extremists, and Zuckerberg is a huge hypocrite.

    11. Re:The "cloud" is just someone else's computer. by Bryansix · · Score: 1

      I actually just stay on facebook and twitter to try and be a voice of reason in the otherwise very large echo chamber they have created.

    12. Re:The "cloud" is just someone else's computer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You really overestimate their intelligence.

      These are likely the same people who voted for Trump.

      "I could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and clearly troll everyone, and they would still reply to this post."

    13. Re:The "cloud" is just someone else's computer. by StormReaver · · Score: 2

      I guess they won't make that mistake again.

      Yes they will, because the people who are stupid enough to use this for important stuff are stupid enough to make this mistake over and over again.

      I've said from the very beginning of the "Store your data on someone else's servers" (euphemistically called, "Cloud Computing") explosion that this is exactly what would happen. Despite all the counter-arguments from people saying that the Cloud is best used as a backup for your locally stored data, it's too much work for most people to duplicate their data locally; and the, "Store your data on someone else's servers" providers know this.

    14. Re:The "cloud" is just someone else's computer. by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      So... masochism, then.

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    15. Re:The "cloud" is just someone else's computer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think random Slashdot user #216268 is responsible for informing the world about Facebook. BTW: I use it. Because lots of people I know use it. They probably even track my behavior. Good for them.

    16. Re:The "cloud" is just someone else's computer. by mishehu · · Score: 1

      Nobody believes me that not only did Commander Keen 4 predict what the cloud is like, but that the cloud can get angry and zap you in the butt with lightning....

    17. Re:The "cloud" is just someone else's computer. by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      hey... S&M has a big following. He's just added "on the internet" to it. The old .com business model at its finest!

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    18. Re:The "cloud" is just someone else's computer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tried something like that once ('once' = spring 2016). Took about 2 months of trying to explain the difference between a border wall and Auschwitz to perpetually-outraged and terrified idiots whom I'd formerly believed to be rational adults before I found myself changing my party registration.

    19. Re:The "cloud" is just someone else's computer. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      These are likely the same people who use Facebook and Windows despite repeated instances of blatant malicious behavior.

      What is the alternative to getting abuse from Windows? Linux, where half your software and at least one of your peripherals doesn't work, or MacOS where you simply shift the abuse over to your wallet.

      Fortunately Facebook is much less important than it once was, but your non-GPL friends will still want to organize their lives on WhatsApp. The only other option is the self abuse of having no social life.

      This isn't how we win. Don't berate people for not being 100% FSF certified, just build something better.

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    20. Re:The "cloud" is just someone else's computer. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      What is the alternative to getting abuse from Windows? Linux, where half your software and at least one of your peripherals doesn't work,

      Consider this: more software and hardware works with Linux than with Windows 10.

      Don't berate people for not being 100% FSF certified, just build something better.

      I'm not berating anyone but rather pointing to examples of the truth. Also, we have built better systems.

      The only other option is the self abuse of having no social life.

      If you are unable to have a social life without Facebook then it's time to learn about the time before Facebook.

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    21. Re:The "cloud" is just someone else's computer. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Facebook has a lot of uses. It's a good way to reconnect with old friends, arrange events, and keep people informed. All of this is possible because of the network effect. No other social medium is likely to connect with that many other people.

      It's also used for advertising. That's why we have people in the building with full access (it's blocked for most people). I'd say that people whose jobs include monitoring Facebook need to use Facebook.

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  7. But it won't happen to me! by bagofbeans · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It continues to astound me how many people I know, who'd I'd expect to know better, have all their emails only accessed by webmail. No POP client to save a local copy.

    Ditto those who entire contact database is only on their cellphone.

    1. Re:But it won't happen to me! by Hylandr · · Score: 5, Funny

      *Hangs head in shame*

      * Makes a todo item in his Google Calendar to create a local copy of my inbox.

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    2. Re:But it won't happen to me! by sconeu · · Score: 3, Insightful

      IMAP is better, if you use both a mail client and a web interface.

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    3. Re:But it won't happen to me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until you use Outlook which corrupts your email then syncs that corruption through IMAP, then you have nothing but sync errors left. I'll stick to pop.

    4. Re:But it won't happen to me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Then why the fuck do you use outlook? Never happened to me and i use thunderbird.

    5. Re:But it won't happen to me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup, this is me too!

    6. Re:But it won't happen to me! by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I use Sylpheed and haven't logged into my gmail account via the web in months. Sylpheed is available on Windows and even available in pkgsrc on NetBSD, for pete's sake.

      My Sylpheed mail folder has made the transition without any messing around at all, back and forth on desktops on multiple OSes that I've used. I don't know why it isn't more popular.

    7. Re:But it won't happen to me! by Aighearach · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I use a custom IMAP script to interface with my mail, but keeping a local backup is not a universal need.

      If my mail service went down, I'd care more about restoring access and moving my hosting so that I can send and receive mail again, much much more than having access to historical emails. Even the historical emails, there is very little data that cannot simply be re-requested!

      What continues to astound me is how many people there are who seem at first glance to understand technology, but on deeper examination have no concept at all of the use cases and so don't actually understand how to apply the technology. They're like a person who is an expert at math, but can't read words at all and so can't apply the math to anything other than a math test.

      You might be interested to know that people whose contact database is "only in their cell phone" probably have that contact list backed up by their vendor. A new phone would get that same contact list installed automatically when they activated it, they wouldn't need to enter the information in by hand from a paper backup. Also, even if they use a prepaid dumb phone, they can usually log into a website and access their call history and recover the important/common numbers.

      In the old days, we didn't have cell phones, but we had little address books we would carry around with all our numbers. Sometimes it would get lost. And there was no automatic backup. When you lost it, you'd ask your friends to copy numbers from their book, so minimize the number of people you had to share the mistake with. People who compulsively made a second copy of their addressbook also had 100s of other things to back up too, because everything was on paper and nothing had automatic backups. Keeping backups as a default behavior was something that people with certain types of OCD did, and it consumed hours out of every day. The same people often take notes of all conversations; "said good morning to bagofbeans at 8:23am" and things like that. Endless notebooks, boxes and boxes full of filled notebooks. It is not an absolute requirement for life, but sadly for some people that point seems confused.

    8. Re:But it won't happen to me! by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      IMAP is better...

      Until you use Outlook ...

      Yeah, but you can fill in any words and it is still true.

      "Life is better than death, until you're stuck using Outlook"

    9. Re:But it won't happen to me! by networkBoy · · Score: 2

      "Going back to my ex is a horrid idea, until you... nah, still a horrid idea"

      Sry, I've been doing QA work all day, I'm on a run breaking things.

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    10. Re:But it won't happen to me! by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      My vendor (Pixel on T-Mobile)? no.
      Google? yup. I literally only had to sign into my phone and auth my phone from my desktop (which was auth'd from one of three yubikeys) and *everything* was there within a few hours.
      All apps (that were compatible, there was one that worked on the Nexus5 but not the Pixel), contacts, call history, SMS history, WiFi network credentials, *EVERYTHING*.

      All in all I considered this to be brilliant (and I knew it was being done because I turned it all on).

      For the stuff that I don't want the world's governments and advertisers to not have access to I use a burner phone, with no account, and sideband loaded APKs and its own number. Yes they can still link the two if they have access to the cell providers as they both reside at the same location most of the time, but if BadGuys(tm) want me that bad I'm fscked anyway.

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    11. Re:But it won't happen to me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might be interested to know that people whose contact database is "only in their cell phone" probably have that contact list backed up by their vendor.

      [citation needed]

    12. Re:But it won't happen to me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't use a pop client, I use the web interface but I have a job that nightly pulls all my emails from the cloud and stores them locally and backed up. So do I get partial points?

    13. Re:But it won't happen to me! by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Never happened to me and I use Outlook. I also have never heard of corruption being synced back to the server despite the fact that I have suffered from corrupted inboxes on many occasions.

    14. Re:But it won't happen to me! by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Until your company standardizes on Google Mail. No, not username @ gmail.com, it's user @ company.com pulled from imap.google.com. I have get to find a real, decent client that actually handles the crazy oath2 security scheme that this requires. Under Linux, Thunderbird can handle it, but fetchmail and mutt cannot. I miss fetchmail and mutt.

    15. Re:But it won't happen to me! by digitect · · Score: 1

      I don't know why [Sylpheed] isn't more popular.

      Because it can't author HTML email.

      I know many SlashDot users don't use HTML email, but the rest of the world likes bold, italics, and underlines. And links.

      That's where the email HTML spec breaks down. We could all use an ultra-limited email format spec that permits very basic HTML and nothing further. It depends on what your use of email is, but in my business it is occasionally helpful to use a block quote or embed a picture for reference. Think scholarly, not marketing.

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  8. I'm not certain who their customers are by H3lldr0p · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe it's only the Wall Street crowd?

    It's certainly not the advertisers because they're getting screwed every which way possible as well. It wasn't that long ago that several companies showed that the effectiveness of online advertising just isn't there. So what did Alphabet do? It must be those pesky content generating people who make their platform worthwhile in going to in the first place. We must crack down on them!

    Let's not talk about how ineffective certain targeted ads are. Let's not talk about how the system was abused for propaganda purposes.

    No. Instead let's work on cutting into people's livelihoods and make everyone nervous that instead. That's the distracting ticket!

    1. Re:I'm not certain who their customers are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's for your own feeling's protection.

    2. Re:I'm not certain who their customers are by rtb61 · · Score: 0

      Feeling of protection, what the fuck, this is a creepy as fuck. I assume these are unpublished private documents people are sharing amongst themselves that google the evil fucking empire is monitoring and censoring, what the fuckity fucking fuck. What the fuck business is it of Google what people write in docs. You group write a great horror story, whoops it is too good so what those fucking cunts at google lock it. Why is anyone stupid enough to use google docs, what the fuck is wrong with you people. People write all sorts of stuff that is not in the least Google those pieces of shit business, MS the shit bags are invading hard disk and the cunts at google are invading the fucking cloud. This is a sick as fuck.

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    3. Re: I'm not certain who their customers are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if these documents are somehow helping Trump or contain information damaging to say the Clinton's? Don't you think that kind of speech should be shut down long before they can even hit send?

  9. Clearly still in beta by Sebby · · Score: 1

    as with all Google properties.

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    1. Re:Clearly still in beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The two Google project states: in beta, or about to be shut down with almost no warning

  10. Again, no such shit with Apple by zantafio · · Score: 2

    Apple haters gonna hate to admit this, but Apple's iCloud Drive does not read your docs.

    1. Re:Again, no such shit with Apple by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Got any proof of that? I believe it's closed source, so proving that would be a bit difficult.

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    2. Re:Again, no such shit with Apple by zlives · · Score: 1

      i am sure if you shared some copy right material... you willl figure it out pretty quickly...

    3. Re:Again, no such shit with Apple by zantafio · · Score: 1

      Proof : https://support.apple.com/en-u... "Apple uses end-to-end encryption. This means that only you can access your information, and only on devices where you’re signed in to iCloud. No one else, not even Apple, can access end-to-end encrypted information."

    4. Re:Again, no such shit with Apple by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 1

      Closed-source client software talking to a proprietary platform far away from where you are.

      So you (or your independent expert panel) have tested and verified their marketing claims.... how, exactly?

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    5. Re:Again, no such shit with Apple by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      Given their very public stance WRT to the iPhone crypto issue I would tend to believe them more than some others...
      Or at least be willing to give them benefit of doubt.

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    6. Re:Again, no such shit with Apple by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1

      Apple haters gonna hate to admit this, but Apple's iCloud Drive does not read your docs.

      And I'm sure Apple never loses or deletes people's documents. Right...

      I'm guessing you have owned more than one Apple product.

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    7. Re:Again, no such shit with Apple by HiThere · · Score: 1

      OK, I'd be more willing to believe Apple than some others. That, however, is a long way from saying I'd believe their claim without actual proof for anything important.

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    8. Re:Again, no such shit with Apple by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      Absolutely agree.
      And as Kapersky has demonstrated with the KGB, Apple may be compromised by an individual (or small group) of dev who is working for No Such Agency and would have little/no way of knowing.

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  11. How things have changed! by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2
    Back in the days many companies would announce plans for products and never deliver anything promised. That created the derisive term vaporware.

    Now cloud, which is actually water vapor, is all the rage and everyone and his brother wants to put their stuff in the cloud.

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  12. The Real Glitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The real glitch is that Google can monitor it and flag it. Period. Maybe a lesser contributing factor of TANSTAAFL. Change to a word processor that can't be monitored and you don't have a problem.

  13. Gmail keeps asking for my phone number by boudie2 · · Score: 1

    Also use a picture of Alfred E. Neuman. How are they going to prove it isn't me?

  14. Good grief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you actually care about your data keep it on computers that your control; physically and administratively control. There is no other defensible position.
    No one will EVER care as much about your data as you do.
    The reason for this is simple: they (the providers) have other customers.
    You only have your data.
    Its just that simple.

    1. Re:Good grief by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but that doesn't suffice. You also need backups stored at remote locations.

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    2. Re:Good grief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RANDOM remote locations.... with, um, biometric.....

      No. Wait. DNA locks! Yeah. (gotta write that one down)

      And nine-pass-authentication against, against.....

      extra-legal throughput!

      Holy crap. I could be a consultant.

      Remote location backups. Ha ha ha ha ha!

    3. Re:Good grief by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Remote location: Periodically mail a backup to your sister on the other coast.

      It all depends on who you are, how rapidly your important data changes, and how much those changes are worth to you. I didn't address secrecy, which would, indeed, complicate matters.

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  15. It's your fault by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    So Google is reading private documents on it's servers. That's why I don't use google docs.

    1. Re:It's your fault by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      You seem a bit confused. It isn't a private document; the sharing mode simply has the word "private" in it.

      For example, there is a device called a "safe," but if your documents are in it that doesn't mean they are literally safe; maybe they are, maybe they're not!

      When you check a box and tell google, "Please keep this document private" that doesn't mean it is a "private" document; it doesn't mean you're asking google not to read it. It means you're asking google not to show it to other people without your permission. That is all it means.

  16. Draft Patent Applications? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    All your inventions are now Google's.

  17. Drafting for external publication is banned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I pointed this out when I was building some Google Docs extraction and publishing software. No one cared because that was how everyone used it, so they wouldn't ban everyone.

    If you want to Draft in Google Docs, then you have to Publish using Google Docs... why else would Google provide you with free services?

  18. Re:Google "'CENSOR BEAMS' on MaXiMuM!!!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you're an idiot.

  19. That answers that by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    Pretty much answers the question: should you move your personal computing into the cloud? Just how brain damaged would you need to be, to buy Google's (or any other megacorp's) koolaid pitch about the cloud, as opposed to just downloading Libreoffice for free, and using it securely in the safety of your own device? Which of course is running Linux to actually be safe... oh, I forgot, there is a lot of brain damage going down out there.

    Word to the wise: use the cloud only for throwaway stuff you don't mind sharing with the world. Your private affairs? Don't be an idiot.

    This advice applies to Gmail and its ilk too, though admittedly, few have the wherewithall to operate their own secure email server in their own domain. I do, sorry if you can't. But your ISP's email service (remember when everybody used that?) is a way better idea than the spy cloud.

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    1. Re:That answers that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This advice applies to Gmail and its ilk too,

      That doesn't help, because the send you send email to or from is (anymore) just about certain to be using gmail as well. So Google gets a copy of your mail no matter what you do locally.

    2. Re:That answers that by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Re: should you move your personal computing into the cloud?
      No.

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    3. Re:That answers that by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      This advice applies to Gmail and its ilk too,

      That doesn't help, because the send you send email to or from is (anymore) just about certain to be using gmail as well. So Google gets a copy of your mail no matter what you do locally.

      Most of the people I correspond with do not use Gmail, perhaps because they tend to be more technically literate than average. When corresponding with Gmailers, I take great care with the information content.

      Truth: sending serious email from a free webmail account makes you look bad. Never correspond with a prospective employer or client that way. Never use webmail for your business, just don't. Webmail is great for registering to sites you don't care about, and are probably going to spam you.

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    4. Re:That answers that by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Google Docs has a big advantage over LibreOffice: sharing. If you want to do collaborative editing, you may find that Google Docs works better than sending LO files all over the place and trying to keep track of modifications.

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    5. Re:That answers that by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Google Docs has a big advantage over LibreOffice: sharing. If you want to do collaborative editing, you may find that Google Docs works better than sending LO files all over the place and trying to keep track of modifications.

      If you must, then do a quick round of collab for the draft then get your valuable document the hell off. That temporary convenience does not come close to outweighing the risk. In my experience, by far the largest amount of work on any given document is done exclusively by one person, and web collaboration comes off looking a lot like koolaid.

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  20. Encryption is your friend by jwhyche · · Score: 2

    This probably doesn't apply to google docs or any other online office systems. But it certainly applies to online storage like dropbox or whatever the fuck microsoft is calling theirs this week. If you are going to use such services encrypt your damn documents. They can't remove if they can't read it, unless they just decide to remove all encrypted documents.

    And for god sakes keep recent, local backups. Since dropbox stores shit in a folder on your computer just have that folder get backuped up in your normal back up routine.

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  21. I for one. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    . . . welcome our new AI overloards.

  22. Bug Report or Policy Change? by ripvlan · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the tech support update. It doesn't sounds like Google has changed any kind of policy - rather is having an issue enforcing current policy.

    In other news - my Intel video driver update is causing Outlook to draw a black page when I plug in an external monitor. Choosing "disable hardware acceleration" appears to be the work around.

    Public service --- Just incase anyone else needs to know about that bug too. I'll post it to twitter hoping to make it a Slashdot article. The twitter universe - where all the news that isn't is published.

  23. Wait....What? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
    O had no idea that anyone actually used that stupid service. And now it's worse than useless. Actually harmful to the entire point of the cloud.

    But the that's none of my business. I hope someone loses a shitload of money when Google does this. That would be pretty entertaining.

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  24. Use a "free" service, get what you pay for. by MachineShedFred · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've never had a word processing application on my laptop start denying access to my own files. Use a hosted service, get hosted service problems.

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    1. Re:Use a "free" service, get what you pay for. by WallyL · · Score: 1

      Obviously you've never used Microsoft Word with an older format .doc file.

  25. Google "'CENSOR BEAMS' on MaXiMuM!!!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google "'CENSOR BEAMS' on MaXiMuM!!!" - Seig Heil, Mein Fuhrer - RoTfLmAo!

    * "Do you like what you see?"

    APK

    P.S.=> Absolute power corrupting absolutely in order to push THEIR agenda (or rather their globalist masters' agenda)... apk

  26. pepe.xls, shadilay.doc violate TOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is Orwellian.

  27. It's not "random." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I doubt someone programmed the system to use a random number source to determine which files get flagged. Assuming this is true, then it is not "randomly" flagging files. Rather, there is a bug in the algorithm that is causing incorrect files to be flagged. It may "appear" random to the casual, nonscientific observer, but I assure you, it is not.

    1. Re:It's not "random." by Bryansix · · Score: 1

      Most likely they are using machine learning to develop a classifier to flag content. The problem is they removed the human element of checking the results too early. In addition, they probably didn't direct the classifier enough to enable to to avoid false positives.

    2. Re:It's not "random." by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1

      Like the two items of medical research I read about today, they probably trained it on only 17 samples.

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  28. I use the cloud, but it doesn't use me by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

    I have stuff on Google Docs, but if they locked it, I have local copies on my desktop, laptop, and thumb drive, not to mention other online places.

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  29. extra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    China's hackers are punishing Google for not bowing to the government.

  30. Pffffffff! Cut! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    it may be the result of a glitch in the system Google uses to monitor Google Docs

    Don't be silly. That would have shown up in testing.

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  31. probably? by bagofbeans · · Score: 1

    You might be interested to know that people whose contact database is "only in their cell phone"

    • probably

    have that contact list backed up by their vendor.

    I suggest that 'probably' and 'backup' are a scary combination.

    1. Re:probably? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I'm more concerned about the complete lack of use case considerations in your "analysis."

  32. Because it IS "inappropriate" 99% of the time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "This item has been flagged as inappropriate and can no longer be shared." It's not clear why this is happening

    I can tell you exactly why it's "not appropriate": because it's hosted on someone else's system and utterly depends on them for access and security (including security vs DoS)! That's a completely absurd way to treat most data. The chances that Google Docs is the right fit for you are greater than zero, but not much.

    You can correct the problem of inappropriateness by storing your data yourself, under your control. That will fix the underlying problem, thereby causing your document to be stored appropriately and with maximum value (including tool interoperability) to you.

    Then if Google Docs still isn't able to work with the data on your local computer or your server, then Google Docs is silly and relatively underpowered joke compared to your typical 1970s microcomputer. You should upgrade to 1970s-or-later tech.

  33. Re:Google "'CENSOR BEAMS' on MaXiMuM!!!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    APK

    Have you heard they are planning to remove host files from Windows 10?

  34. M$'d be better of removing Win10... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    M$'d be better of removing Windows 10 from their Operating System lineup (nobody uses it unless they're ignorant OR bribed).

    APK

    P.S.=> Seriously (& afaik, you're FULL of it w/ your comment) - Windows 10 is SO "F'd-Up" nobody I know who did try it liked it over Windows 7 (last decent version of Windows there is)... apk

  35. A different source by XXongo · · Score: 1

    Here's another report of the same Google problem, including Google's response: "A mysterious message is locking Google Docs users out of their files"

  36. The cloud ... by Stephen+Battleware · · Score: 1

    ... is just other people's computers.

    'And they do go over and snoop your stuff, and they will even lock you out.

    That's it in a nutshell.

  37. Cloudy thinking. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    "... cloud, which is actually water vapor..."

    Funny.

  38. In other words: This tool is unusable by gweihir · · Score: 1

    What an utterly stupid fault to build in as a feature. Obviously Google Doc is viewed as a toy at best by Google.

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  39. Presumably, working as intended. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If your document's checksum is unusually similar to the checksum of anything in the "illegal" set, the system is right to flag it. If you have such a document, just change a few minor alterations or toss some more bogus metadata in and re-upload it with a different name.

  40. Relax... by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 1

    ...it's only Skynet becoming sentient.

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  41. Bad Title by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1

    I seriously doubt Google is just flagging files at random, which would make no sense. Clearly they are using some algorithm that is not working properly, which should lead one to believe that this problem can be fixed. The summary mentioning "It's not clear why this is happening," is evidence that the title not just incorrect but also alarmist and kind of whiny because this is personal.

    Google is a convenient way to share and store documents, but if you use ANY one method of storage without any backup or contingency plan, that's on you when it fails.

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  42. Why are they scanning docs in the first place? by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

    Why are they scanning docs in the first place? Is that the price to pay for Google services?

  43. The cause is a wave of GDocs Spam by skaag · · Score: 1

    Spammers figured out they can take all the @gmail.com email addresses they harvested and simply share a Google Doc with the recipients, to ensure 100% delivery.

    And now to the ridiculous part: To report the document as abuse, you have to first open that document (which forces you to see it), then go to the menu option "Help --> Report Abuse/Copyright" (and then comically get to a screen that says "Internal Error, please try again later").

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  44. HUH?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So Google is scanning the content of your documents and making a decision whether or not they are "appropriate". Who decides "what's appropriate".

    Thought Police?

    ewwww EVIL

  45. It could be BLATANT SPECULATION too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It could be BLATANT SPECULATION too.

    We don't know... that's bad enough.