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'Panama Papers' Group Strikes Again with 'Paradise Papers' (theguardian.com)

Long-time Slashdot reader Freshly Exhumed tipped us off to a new document leak that's just revealed massive tax havens used by the world's most wealthy and powerful people. An anonymous reader quotes the Guardian: The material, which has come from two offshore service providers and the company registries of 19 tax havens, was obtained by the German newspaper Suddeutsche Zeitung and shared by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists with partners including the Guardian, the BBC and the New York Times. The project has been called the Paradise Papers.
It's the same group responsible for the Panama Papers, and the Guardian reports that in these 13.4 million new files, journalists have discovered:
  • "Aggressive tax avoidance by multinational corporations, including Nike and Apple."

"The publication of this investigation, for which more than 380 journalists have spent a year combing through data that stretches back 70 years, comes at a time of growing global income inequality," reports the Guardian. "Meanwhile, multinational companies are shifting a growing share of profits offshore -- €600 billion in the last year alone -- the leading economist Gabriel Zucman will reveal in a study to be published later this week. "Tax havens are one of the key engines of the rise in global inequality," he said."


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  1. We should all avoid taxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now that tax avoidance is proven to work we should all do it. It's irresponsible to pay money when you don't have to. You don't send an extra $100 to your cable provider just because, do you?

    1. Re:We should all avoid taxes by turkeydance · · Score: 5, Insightful

      agreed. AVOIDance is legal. EVASION is not. i avoid with cash payments. i don't evade, unless TurboTax does.

    2. Re:We should all avoid taxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Technically true, but still though, there's something to be said lobbying so that the definition of those terms is in your favor. If the wealthy shuffling profits to the Caymans or wherever isn't tax evasion, then the rest of us should be able to do the same thing with our taxes by sticking our W-2s under large rock. Somehow, laws are written such that only one of those, the option afforded the wealthy, is acceptable, and I think that's what people take issue with.

    3. Re: We should all avoid taxes by Bruha · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The only tax shelters the non rich have seem to involve giving money to rich people. Hmmmmm

    4. Re: We should all avoid taxes by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The only tax shelters the non rich have seem to involve giving money to rich people.

      Not true at all. You can set up a corporation in the Cayman Islands for $200. Assign it copyrights to all your code. Then pay deductible license fees to use it, into a bank in the Cayman Islands. For living expenses, you take out loans from the corporation, which are not taxable income.

      The loopholes were designed by the rich to benefit the rich, but there is nothing to prevent normal people from taking advantage of them. You just need to educate yourself, and put in a little effort.

    5. Re: We should all avoid taxes by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And of course you have to drop the rest of your decency first. Or at least not shave with a straight razor because you might feel the urge to off the asshole.

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  2. And what did the Panama Papers result in? by AmazingRuss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Fuck all.

    1. Re:And what did the Panama Papers result in? by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well the journalist who uncovered it died when her vehicle blew up. I'm pretty sure she didn't drive a Pinto so I'm a little but suspicious about the whole ordeal, but it was a pretty big result for her.

      More seriously though, the problem is that they're all dirty. Republicans, Democrats, everyone. That makes it easy for any side to ignore the misdeeds of their own and sling mud at the other side. That's why nothing really comes of it, because they all know that they're all dirty, so they can't really go after each other in any serious manner.

      Even more seriously though, what the fuck did everyone expect. No one wants to pay high taxes. The people that make most of the money realize how much the government sucks at doing most (not all, just most) of things it tries to do, and the people who are wealthy and okay with high taxes because they can accomplish some good would probably be just as well (if not better) off taking their money and doing it themselves. If you want companies to pay taxes, apply market principles to this situation as well and assume that people will shop around for better deals. Lower tax rates to make it less profitable for companies to try to off shore profits and they'll gladly take the path of least resistance.

    2. Re:And what did the Panama Papers result in? by dohzer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just because something isn't illegal doesn't mean you can't do something about it.
      Like, for instance, making it illegal.

    3. Re:And what did the Panama Papers result in? by Cl1mh4224rd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Lower tax rates to make it less profitable for companies to try to off shore profits and they'll gladly take the path of least resistance.

      Lower them to what? People keep saying that, but nobody offers a number. Where's that sweet spot that gets the government more money in taxes and saves these large corporations money? Does it even exist? Advocates simply assume that it must, but nobody seems to care to know.

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    4. Re:And what did the Panama Papers result in? by Gussington · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Lower them to what? People keep saying that, but nobody offers a number. Where's that sweet spot that gets the government more money in taxes and saves these large corporations money? Does it even exist? Advocates simply assume that it must, but nobody seems to care to know.

      Like smaller government. Non-one seems to offer up a suitable number of smallness, but it sounds great to shout that phrase around at every opportunity.
      Apparently if the Government was reduced to 1 person, and tax was 0.1%, we'd all be better off somehow...

  3. Re:Meanwhile by Stomper_Stoddard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are we still talking about Hillary Clinton? I kind of feel like she is not important anymore. I mean, she is not the president and never will be. We have already poured something like 100 million dollars into investigating her and Bill Clinton and all we got out of it was a lie about a blowjob. Seems to me we should just let it go, let her retire and move on with it already.

  4. Re:Another Trump apologist bites the dust by Kohath · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Unless you want every election to be a choice between criminal A and criminal B, you have to stop covering for your side's criminal when your side's criminal gets caught. If people hadn't covered for the Clintons so many times over so many years, they wouldn't have had the opportunity to collude to fix the primary election.

  5. Everybody is dirty. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How can we have good government if every fucking official is dirty? Clinton, Podesta, Trumps crew, all filthy. Whatâ(TM)s a responsible citizen who wants reasonable government to do?

  6. Re: the real dirty birds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Rep control both houses and the white house. But yet I keep reading how the US is supposidely run by leftist liberals and that they somehow keep the right from doing reforms.

    Explain how that works.

  7. Re: This is why America needs VATs not Corp. Tax by WindBourne · · Score: 1, Insightful

    where did I suggest that America put on tariffs? I did not. I said that we need to equal the field. What we have now, is insane, and allows nations like CHina to cheat like mad.

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  8. Re:the real dirty birds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As usual, Trump idiots and Alex Jones idiots are the exact same idiots, and debating them prima facie would be similarly idiotic.

  9. The best part: You'll be called a Trump lover. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Because thinking beyond extreme rigid one-dimensional binary extremes is VERBOTEN.
    So it can't be, that you may think both parties are shit and work for the same group.

    And those who don't, will use the old "is this still news" tactic.
    Where something utterly fucked-up happened, it got reported, nobody did fuck-all, so it got repeated until the fuckers finally get it into their thick skulls, and they then call it not relevant anymore on the grounds that it is old. Yeah, it's fucked-up and YET it is old! That makes it even worse!!

  10. Difference between avoid and evade by buss_error · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Aggressive tax avoidance by multinational corporations, including Nike and Apple.

    It is legal in the US to avoid paying a tax. It is not legal to evade a tax, however.
    What's the difference?

    Burger King was "bought" by Horton's, a Canadian company, and licenses back all the Burger King IP from Horton. If this consumes effectively most of the profit, Burger King can legally not pay US taxes on it's income. (Previous statement is opinion, assuming facts I have not verified.) This is why I don't go to Burger King anymore.

    It is my understanding that Apple does that as well, but again, I have not verified it to be factual, and is thus to be considered opinion. This is why I don't purchase Apple products.

    This would appear to be completely allowed within the US tax code. (I am not a tax professional, if you want to do this, you should purchase an opinion from a licensed tax professional.)

    What is not legal is for company Blah to use false accounting to evade a tax. That will get you an orange jumpsuit and those fetching chrome bracelets.

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  11. Re:Another Trump apologist bites the dust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Unless you want every election to be a choice between criminal A and criminal B, you have to stop covering for your side's criminal when your side's criminal gets caught.

    He says without a trace of irony in a thread about Trump's shady financial ties.

  12. Re:Nobody cares? by sexconker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do you know how the Primaries work in the USA? How do you rig primaries? They are run by the states.

    Voting is run by the states. The candidates and campaigns and everything else including and plain ol' deciding whether or not to go along with the vote, is run by the party. Why do you think Hillary "won" all those instances where they kicked out Bernie supporters or pretended not to hear them when anything came up that was to be decided by voice?

    The DNC rigged their primaries for Hillary. I don't agree with Bernie's crazy views or policy, but I would have voted for him over Trump, and he would have won the election over Trump.

    The DNC torpedoed itself in its attempt to stage a coronation for Hillary. The fact that any voter is loyal to the DNC after that is worrying. It's almost a one party system now.

  13. Re:And? by sexconker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Gun control will happen when the wealthy fear for their lives.

  14. Re:Don't conflate tax avoidance with tax dodging by Whatsisname · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is also ludicrous to claim that the bottom 20% pay more taxes than the top. How can the bottom 20% pay more income tax if the bottom 40-45% pay NO taxes.

    Did you really write that? You included in your own post a quote indicating the "NO taxes" claim is horseshit.

  15. Re:This is why America needs VATs not Corp. Tax by locater16 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Tariffs are for people that don't have a clue how economics work. Your phone, your food, your car, your clothes are all cheap because you get them from wherever the cheapest source in the world is delivered to you without interference from the government. It doesn't help pay taxes, it never could, and even if it did all the things taxes pay for would cost more to begin with so you'd never get "more" out of that revenue to begin with.

    BTW Britain, France, and plenty of other places use VATs and hey look at all the tax avoidance while Apple's profits go to Ireland! You are on top of the Dunning-Kruger effect in economics if you think VATs or Tarrifs have anything to do with tax avoidance or evasion.

  16. Re:the real dirty birds by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Strange how they don't dig up even bigger dirt during the globlists' cabals like the Bushes, Clintons and O.

    Judging from the size and scope of Donald Trump & Family's dealings with shady overseas "investors" and "stakeholders", it seems like he may be the real globalist among recent presidents. I mean, he's surrounded himself with people who either straight up lie (Sessions, etc) or have terrible memories (Sessions, etc) when it comes to meetings with oligarchs, Russian con men, pro-Kremlin "lawyers", etc.

    Has there been a single member of the Trump cabinet who does NOT have some shady business deal or a history of meetings with Russians? Maybe Betsy DeVos, but her brother is a war criminal who can't set foot in the United States and maybe Rick Perry, who may be the stupidest man ever to set foot in the White House.

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  17. Re: This is why America needs VATs not Corp. Tax by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Imagine if the US put hefty tariffs on everything

    VATs are not tariffs. Chinese companies pay VAT on products sold in China, but not on exports. American companies pay income tax on all their sales.

    China taxes consumption. America taxes production. So they build, we buy. This is a major reason why we have massive deficits and debts.

    Corporate income taxes should be abolished and replaced with a VAT and a border adjustment tax.

  18. Your comment makes no sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You actually think Julian Assange, who is an Australian, living in the U.K., inside the Ecuadorian embassy under Ecuadorian asylum, and has been holed up there without being able to leave for nearly five years, and is a world-famous individual, is a Russian spy?

    Literally none of those things indicates either Russian OR spy.

    Not to mention the fact that almost everything Wikileaks published is of undisputed authenticity. Even the Clinton e-mails had DKIM signature verification.

    Even if Assange were a Russian operative, despite there being literally 0 evidence whatsoever, none of that has anything to do with the fact that the things Wikileaks has published about U.S. politics are real. You want to focus on the messenger to ignore the message.

  19. Re:the real dirty birds by mnemotronic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Forty or fifty years from now, the nurses at the old farts home will get their kicks by casually mentioning that Hillary Clinton is thinking of making another run for the presidency. The hillary haters will rattle their walkers, piss their pants, and get nose-bleeds as their blood pressure spikes. "Harvey! I told ya that bitch would come back from the dead to haunt us! She's the spawn of the devil!"

    But don't mind me. I'm still pissed at Lincoln for wiping out all the vampires.

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  20. Re:Meanwhile by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Quit pretending that you don't understand the point. The Dems are still so annoyed that their poorly chosen candidate didn't win (and that they've lost nearly a thousand legislative seats, most of the governorships, both houses of congress, and millions of two-time Obama voters who turned away in disgust) that they're STILL trying to excuse it away as being the Russians' fault, with fictional help from the Trump campaign. Somehow, the Democrats figure, the Russians used expert advice from the person too stupid to be president to use special mind-control powers to convince Hillary Clinton to forget to even set foot once in states like Wisconsin, while being careful to call the people in fly-over states irredeemably deplorable racists and worse ... and that, the mind control thing, is how she lost. It had nothing whatsoever to do with her looking everyone in the eye and lying non-stop for a year about her conduct as Secretary Of State. Or her mishandling of classified information, or her spectacularly robotic, smug behavior.

    So, when the Dems insist that it was Trump/Russia to blame, it IS appropriate to talk about Clinton's own cozy (and cash-flush) relationship with the Russians as a way to illustrate the degree of hypocrisy in the way the mainstream press is trying to keep the fiction alive. Your own snark on the subject is a strong indicator of just how appropriate those observations still are to make.

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  21. Re: Meanwhile by Maxwell'sSilverLART · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Monica only came to light because of rape accusations from Juanita Broaderick and Gennifer Flowers...allegations Clinton has not denied.

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  22. Enough with the "tax avoidance is good" bullshit by Freshly+Exhumed · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you are one of those who praises tax avoidance as a laudable life goal, you are a freeloading, coat-tail riding maladroit.

    The biggest value of the data dump is that an otherwise closed doorway into a strange world in which the 1%ers exist is suddenly thrown open to show that monetary enrichment dissolves any and all notions of patriotism and shared values.

    Sociopaths will continue to praise their own legal proprietary, and imbeciles will continue to cheer on their beloved sociopaths, but those who try to live and excel while doing their share to make their own lives and the world they live in better get chumped again and again by an evil breed. This data dump helps to see this much clearly.

    It is not about some phoney notion that tax avoidance is somehow laudable; it is about exposing corruption.

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  23. The Russian bots here should love this... by hyades1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From TFA: "Ross, a billionaire and close friend of Trump, retained holdings in Navigator after taking office this year. The relationship means he stands to benefit from the operations of a Russian company run by Putin's family and close allies, some of whom are under US sanctions.

    Of course the Commerce Secretary wouldn't have much say in trade regulations, would he?

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  24. Re:Russia and other strawmen by Cederic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    have their money in several different tax heavens and jurisdictions so that no amount of sanctions or other problems can shut them down

    To be fair, that's just common sense. Diversify to avoid undue risk in any specific market or locale.

  25. Re:the real dirty birds by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Let me break it down for you:

    Leaks indicating that a democratic country that has a government accountable to its public is corrupt and is using the security apparatus to spy on its own citizens or destabilise nominally friendly foreign regimes: News.

    Leaks indicating that a corrupt oligarchy run by the former head of the security apparatus who uses intimidation as a tool to keep himself in power is using the security apparatus to spy on its own citizens or destabilise nominally friendly foreign regimes: Not news.

    If your defence is 'Russia is as bad as us!' then you're in a pretty depressing place.

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  26. Does "conflict of interest" mean anything anymore? by hyades1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    TFA mentions that Donald Trump's close friend and Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross "stands to benefit from the operations of a Russian company run by Putin's family and close allies, some of whom are under US sanctions."

    The link it provides is also pretty damning: https://www.theguardian.com/ne...

    I suspect real Americans take a dim view of a high administration official who maintains financial ties to companies being sanctioned by the US government.

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  27. Re:Enough with the "tax avoidance is good" bullshi by Baron_Yam · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Tax avoidance being a problem means the tax laws need to be rewritten. Expecting people not to keep as much of their wealth as possible within the law is foolish. You 'avoid' taxes every time you claim a deduction... go ahead, tell me you never claim a deduction on your taxes...

    Tax evasion, on the other hand... that's effectively treason, since you're not giving your share as required by the laws of the society within which you generated your wealth in the first place. Tax evasion makes you a parasite.

    The problem is when those doing the tax avoiding start to look a lot like the tax evaders because they have influence and lawyers who let them have the rules altered or escape the consequences of pushing the grey areas too much.