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Firefox Quantum Arrives With Faster Browser Engine, Major Visual Overhaul (venturebeat.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Mozilla today launched Firefox 57, branded Firefox Quantum, for Windows, Mac, Linux, Android, and iOS. The new version, which Mozilla calls "by far the biggest update since Firefox 1.0 in 2004," brings massive performance improvements and a visual redesign. The Quantum name signals Firefox 57 is a huge release that incorporates the company's next-generation browser engine (Project Quantum). The goal is to make Firefox the fastest and smoothest browser for PCs and mobile devices -- the company has previously promised that users can expect "some big jumps in capability and performance" through the end of the year. Indeed, three of the four past releases (Firefox 53, Firefox 54, and Firefox 55) included Quantum improvements. But those were just the tip of the iceberg. Additionally, Firefox now exclusively supports extensions built using the WebExtension API, and unsupported legacy extensions will no longer work, the company said.

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  1. Weird Gaps? by Luthair · · Score: 5, Informative

    Anyone else seeing large gaps to the left of the address bar and to the right of the search bar?

    Also, the new tabs look a lot uglier...

    1. Re:Weird Gaps? by pr0nbot · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you right click the gap and click Customize, it seems these gaps are "flexible space" and can be removed.

    2. Re: Weird Gaps? by DarkRookie · · Score: 2

      They are not annoying. They are shit. (IMO). This is why I use Classic Theme Restorer.

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    3. Re:Weird Gaps? by zifn4b · · Score: 2, Funny

      Anyone else seeing large gaps to the left of the address bar and to the right of the search bar?

      Nope. Chrome is working just fine.

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    4. Re: Weird Gaps? by brickhouse98 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The gaps can be taken out. Click the double arrows >> and click customize toolbar. Then just drag and drop to the middle to remove them.

    5. Re: Weird Gaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Jesus, what is wrong with you people? Yes, there are a couple of UI quirks (like the gaps), but this is _the best_ UI that FF has had in *years*. Australis is finally gone, and this default UI is actually sane. Tabs are threaded, something folks around here have been pleading for for _years_. Can't you give a little bit of credit where it's due?

      And it is true that this browser is fast. Perceptibly so. For five years, FF has not been able to keep pace with Chrome for those of us who develop on the web. Now, it might actually be a viable workhorse. I haven't looked into the new dev tools in depth, but if they've improved as much as the UI and the speed, then I might finally be able to switch back.

      If you are a geek, you should be rooting for Firefox. Without it, the web will be dominated by an advertising agency and a convicted monopolist. Give it the benefit of the doubt and try not to be a total douche.

    6. Re: Weird Gaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That UI is at least equally crap as the Australis, but unlike previously, it can not be fixed anymore. For the last few years the FF installation procedure was completed by getting Ad block and Classic Theme restorer, where former fixed the web and latter fixed the browser. But after this new FF, the browser is terminally unusable.

    7. Re: Weird Gaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes. Why? Because FF is the only major browser that respects your freedom and your privacy.

      This is the same reason to root for Linux on the Desktop even if it's not as usable as Win10. Because we don't want to use closed source spyware for the rest of our lives.

    8. Re: Weird Gaps? by Lothsahn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm totally rooting for FireFox. I just saw the notification, downloaded it, and yes, the gaps were the first thing I noticed.

      Gee whiz, give us a few days to drive it to comment on performance. Generally restarting a program improves its performance. But the out of box experience (gaps and tabs) was not pleasant. I've fixed the gaps based on brickhouse98's comment (thanks!), but the tab coloring SUCKS.

      In 2 hours of usage, it seems much faster than the previous version, even though I had multi-threading enabled in the previous version. I like it a lot, and I agree that for Privacy, having FF around is key for us.

      I'm rooting for FF, but I give honest reviews and speak truth. Ignoring problems with your own team is a primary cause of much of the world's trouble, especially in politics. I refuse to play THAT game.

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    9. Re: Weird Gaps? by theweatherelectric · · Score: 5, Informative

      but the tab coloring SUCKS

      You can pick a different theme in the Customize settings. Firefox ships with three themes (Default, Light, and Dark). I use the Light theme.

    10. Re: Weird Gaps? by MrL0G1C · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except it no longer respects your freedom to customize the UI and it was always a bit bad at respecting your privacy (stun servers, browser fingerprinting).

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    11. Re: Weird Gaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      You can also right click on the gap and "remove from toolbar".

    12. Re: Weird Gaps? by iampiti · · Score: 2

      Totally agree with you that current trends in UI design are crap.
      Who decided to use monochrome icons? Yes, it looks nice to have few colors but IMO it makes harder to tell them apart and an icon should be, more than anything, easy and fast to identify. This is a horrible case of putting form over function

    13. Re: Weird Gaps? by ortholattice · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For five years, FF has not been able to keep pace with Chrome for those of us who develop on the web.

      If pages you develop are slow loading, perhaps you should revisit your design. What exactly are you doing that FF is unable to keep pace with? There is no reason a normal web page should load slowly on any browser, Chrome or FF.

      It's designers like you who make pages so full of unnecessary bloat that it's making browsing the web more and more annoying, regardless of browser, while loading 10MB from two dozen different ad servers just to display a few lines of actual content.

    14. Re: Weird Gaps? by erapert · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because FF is the only major browser that respects your freedom and your privacy.

      Just like they respected Brendan Eich's?

    15. Re: Weird Gaps? by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Except it no longer respects your freedom to customize the UI

      If I had to vote for my freedom to have really high performance and your freedom to customize the UI, you will lose (or likely we'll be 50:50).

      It's not like they just removed it for shits and giggles.

    16. Re: Weird Gaps? by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Try PaleMoon, they have just released a new update that cuts a lot of the old Mozilla cruft out while keeping all the extensions, and they are contacting extension devs to get as many as possible supporting PaleMoon and those that don't the community is releasing PaleMoon versions of those extensions. Looking both ABP and NoScript are in the PM extension repo, and I have to say the new PM is quite nice.

      So while I'm happy for the few FF users that are left that its gotten a speed boost honestly with systems as fast as they are today I cannot tell the difference between browsers without taking out a stopwatch and having all my extensions and a stable UI is more important to me than a few milliseconds of speed and PM has both.

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    17. Re: Weird Gaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, Firefox includes and continues to uplift privacy features from the Tor browser. This includes anti-fingerprinting measures. Turn on privacy.resistFingerprinting in about:config.

      This breaks many sites, including Mozilla add-ons (since it doesn't know you're using Firefox 57).

    18. Re: Weird Gaps? by Mkkby · · Score: 2

      Until there is a fully functioning version of NoScript, the new firefox is a big step backward.

      What good is a few ms of speed improvement, if you are forced to load tons of unwanted junk? Penny saved, pound foolish. Not to mention the security risk of allowing all kinds of JS to run.

      I'm frozen on FF 50 until everything I have works with webextention.

  2. It's quantized so it's not continuous anymore by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Quantum is the smallest possible increment. Always remember that when someone tells you it's a quantum leap in performance.

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    1. Re:It's quantized so it's not continuous anymore by arth1 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Quantum is the smallest possible increment. Always remember that when someone tells you it's a quantum leap in performance.

      True and false. The astonishing property of a quantum leap isn't the distance, but that it goes from one state to another without anything in-between.
      That's obviously not what happens with Firefox, though. There wasn't a single commit without any betas, even though it feels like it...

    2. Re:It's quantized so it's not continuous anymore by jfdavis668 · · Score: 5, Informative

      A Quantum is a single unit. A leap is an action. So a quantum leap is an action taken by a quantum, and has no limit on distance, just probability.

    3. Re:It's quantized so it's not continuous anymore by SScorpio · · Score: 3, Funny

      However, in leaps, the quantum unit is huge. That why quantum leaps are so large.

      I thought quantum leaps were when Count Baccula's conscious traveled back in time and takes over someone's body.

    4. Re:It's quantized so it's not continuous anymore by HumanWiki · · Score: 4, Funny

      The Quantum is the smallest possible increment. Always remember that when someone tells you it's a quantum leap in performance.

      I'm more afraid this Quantum Leap will consist of reliving the past mistakes and horrors made by other people.

      Mozilla is just trying to set right what once went wrong.. And hoping that their next version, will be the one home.

  3. New Default. by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The beta has felt quite a bit faster than my old default (Opera). With an official release Firefox has regained default status. I've used it since back in the Phoenix days. Then they got stale and Chrome was faster. Then it got stale and Opera was faster.

    Hurray for competition.

  4. Extensions, though :-( by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Finally tally: about 2/3 of my regularly used extensions don't work with 57 and don't currently seem to have a similar replacement available.

    Sadly, a performance boost just isn't work losing that much functionality for me. :-(

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    1. Re:Extensions, though :-( by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What performance boost? It disabled NoScript.

    2. Re:Extensions, though :-( by theweatherelectric · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It disabled NoScript.

      NoScript for Firefox 57 will be released today. Don't worry, be happy.

    3. Re:Extensions, though :-( by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hopefully now that the mainline has dropped support for legacy extensions this will motivate a few more devs to update, otherwise they are loosing most of their install base.

      Unfortunately, it looks like a lot of the extension developers have instead pulled their extensions entirely, updated the description to say something like "Sorry, doesn't work with 57, thanks for the support until now", or more worryingly updated the description to say something like "Sorry, this can't work with 57 because the WebExtensions infrastructure can't do it".

      Of course, that's just my own anecdotal experience. I've talked to plenty of people who seem to have no problem with most or all of the extensions they use, so maybe I've just been (very) unlucky in the particular extensions I have found useful until now.

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    4. Re:Extensions, though :-( by Erioll · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The real bear is losing extensions that take out LSOs - aka SuperCookies. The "suggested replacement" for Self-Destructing Cookies doesn't remove LSOs... thus it is not a replacement. The API is there now, but the author hasn't gotten off his ass yet to implement it. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-...

      Also Gestures extensions are worse, though at least somebody's trying. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-...

      Also no more tab groups - aka Panorama - which sucks ass. Not upgrading until I can get that, and will in fact LEAVE FIREFOX until I can get that.

      And... and... and... WTF WERE THEY THINKING??? Make it so addon authors need to update things and/or re-create is bad enough, but then remove the underlying functionality? That's insane! It shouldn't be LESS CAPABLE.

      Ugh.

    5. Re:Extensions, though :-( by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you were using recent version before upgrade, then no.

    6. Re:Extensions, though :-( by ArhcAngel · · Score: 2

      If you want the speed of Quantum with NPAPI support perhaps you should get behind the developer of Waterfox. He's working on that. And the current 55.2.2 release of Waterfox is faster than Firefox in my purely anecdotal opinion.

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    7. Re:Extensions, though :-( by Merk42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And... and... and... WTF WERE THEY THINKING??? Make it so addon authors need to update things and/or re-create is bad enough, but then remove the underlying functionality? That's insane! It shouldn't be LESS CAPABLE.

      It's almost as if to address the performance issues that people have been bitching about would require a major architecture change, but no that's not it, they, like any company, specifically asked YOU what would piss you off and did that instead.

    8. Re:Extensions, though :-( by threc · · Score: 2

      The Mozilla Foundation is in full on PR attack mode right now. Look at how they respond to users in the Firefox sub-reddit who dare discuss alternatives to keep legacy addons functional. The Firefox team probably realizes that if FF57 isn't a success the whole organization is sunk. The team is probably terrified they are going to lose a significant number of users and not make it up.

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  5. UI by ISoldat53 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why does every change start with a new or changed interface?

  6. Who cares about the features? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When it loses the whole POINT of the program? The add-ons are what made Firefox worth using as a primary browser. With the switch to the new version, they made all previous plugins incompatible, and most of the add-ons that I'd prefer to use won't be ported over, mostly out of disgust/disinterest by the developers, or simply that the tools are no longer available to accomplish the task anymore.

    This is somewhat akin to a new version of Steam coming out, that disables all Steam games until a new version of each game comes out requiring XBox One controller-only controls. They decided keyboard/mouse was potentially insecure. Sure - some users will celebrate this, but it kind of defeats the point of the platform at large. Eventually, it might get good again - but you're throwing away too much now to be worth that.

    1. Re:Who cares about the features? by PGaries · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Indeed. Having an extension system in which malicious extensions can hide that they're installed while monitoring everything you do on the Web was a pretty big security hole. That's why I'm glad Mozilla transitioned to the new system despite the loss of functionality.

    2. Re:Who cares about the features? by AntiSol · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's kind of funny how often I see people justifying this insanity by talking about how horribly insecure the old API was. Kind of funny because in over a decade I have had exactly zero problems with addons doing nasty things. And I can recall hearing about exactly zero addons doing nasty things.

      But we want to kill the old API, so...uh...security!

      It reminds me of that time McLaren realised that they could increase the power to weight ratio of their F1 cars by removing that heavy steering wheel.

    3. Re:Who cares about the features? by AntiSol · · Score: 2

      When MacOS X came out, it included classic mode, which was able to run most OS9 programs. Apple made some basic minimal effort to provide backwards compatibility, despite making huge architectural changes under the hood.

      Another key difference between these scenarios is that Mac OS X wasn't crippled in such a way that it was suddenly impossible to do things you could do on OS9. In fact OSX was more capable.

  7. Re:It's NO GO since noscript is DOA by theweatherelectric · · Score: 3, Informative

    NoScript for Firefox 57 will be released today. Just wait a while.

  8. Significant loss of functionality by QuietLagoon · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The speed of Firefox was not a big issue for me. It was usually "fast enough." Sometimes speed wars focus development efforts towards the wrong area. The big thing I do notice about Firefox 57 is the large loss of functionality that I used every time I browsed. Only two out of my nine plug-ins work with Firefox 57. I have not seen any viable replacements for the seven that do not work.

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    I've reverted to Firefox 56.0.2. Unless the plug-in situation changes for the better, Firefox 56 will be the end of my use of Firefox.

  9. Re:Regression. by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What's wrong with the way bookmarks have worked forever? By far my most used control in every browser I've used since the days of Netscape Navigator has been a bookmark toolbar that is set up like a menu of the sites I actually want to visit.

    Maybe I'm weird, but most of the extensions and new controls in modern browsers seem to be useful primarily to turn off other modern developments that I don't want. For me, that last big UI improvements in browsers were introducing tabs and search boxes, and we've had those for so long that the earliest known source code was found in hieroglyphs on a cave wall.

    Just give me good bookmarks, tabbed browsing, and a simple address bar and search bar with the basic controls for back/refresh/etc. and I've got a simple, effective browser UI that will do the job nicely, thanks.

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  10. Firefox 57 shows a big disadvantage of plug-ins by QuietLagoon · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Simply put, plug-ins are not a part of the Firefox development effort. The Mozilla folk have always eschewed adding functionality because the wanted functionality can be added via plug-ins. Yet, those same Mozilla folk all but ignore the loss of functionality of those plug-ins when they release a "two-times faster" Firefox.

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    The headline for this release should not be that it is two times faster, but that a very significant amount of functionality has been lost.

    1. Re:Firefox 57 shows a big disadvantage of plug-ins by Eravnrekaree · · Score: 4, Interesting

      the old extensions mechanism was insecure. Extensions could access all of the browser internals, plus the filesystem. No sandboxing, No security, No nothing.

      The old extension API was great if security is of no concern for you.

      I would never trust any of the extensions of the old API because of this, so removing the old API is not a downside if one is concerned about security.

      For people who are concerned about security, removing the old API is a good thing. It will force a refactoring of the extension code into much more secure code and will smoke out a lot of insecure code, and make the extension systems much safer.

      The idea of adding additional functionality through extensions was dubious at best via the old API, especially if third parties are adding the features rather than the Firefox developers, especially since it was becoming very hard to security review the extensions that were coming from third parties due to the high numbers.

  11. Re:RIP Firefox by QuietLagoon · · Score: 2

    I have only 6,231 add-ons to choose from

    I already went through the search page for add-ons. The three I searched for had no functional equivalent. Nothing even close.

  12. Re:Regression. by arth1 · · Score: 2

    What's wrong with the way bookmarks have worked forever?

    Many people appear to prefer to use tabs to provide the functionality that bookmarks were designed for. So we end up with situations like Firefox OOMing on a 32GB workstation, but it appears to be what the users want.
    Perhaps if the bookmark toolbar saved a screenshot of each site, and used that both for hover actions and as a preliminary muted background picture while the site loaded, some tab users might discover bookmarks?
    Although a cascading menu hierarchy might still put some off as too complex. That was apparently the rationale for getting rid of the cascading Windows start menu.

  13. Firefox tracking protection by MobyDisk · · Score: 4, Informative

    This isn't a Firefox 57 feature, but for all FireFox users I recommend Options - Tracking Protection - Change Block List - Disconnect.me strict protection. The strict protection is arguably bettern than an ad blocker, since it leaves unintrusive ads that support a site but blocks the garbage ones. I don't mind if a site is financed with ads, because server time isn't free.

    On Slashdot, the ads at the top that tried to stick themselves over the article, that intermittently tried to inject malware and redirect you to other pages, and that showed me whatever I last looked at on Amazon -- those are gone. Instead, I just see the "Slashdot Top Deals" on the right side and bottom. Those aren't so bad, and if they pay the bills then great.

    Until I selected this option, I was browsing in private windows 75% of the time. Now I can go back to normal browsing, which is a slight convenience. If enough people do this, maybe the ad companies will start to figure out that injecting malware is less profitable than an unobtrusive ad.

    1. Re:Firefox tracking protection by markdavis · · Score: 2

      >"The strict protection is arguably bettern than an ad blocker, since it leaves unintrusive ads that support a site but blocks the garbage ones. I don't mind if a site is financed with ads, because server time isn't free."

      If the ad is animated in ANY way, or contains video or audio, or follows me down the page, or blocks out HUGE sections of content, or performs some action when moused-over *IT IS INTRUSIVE*! This is regardless of where it is hosted or redirects. So although I think your posting is informative and useful, and I respect your opinion, turning on "Disconnect.me" doesn't solve all the problems that many (including me) have with ads.

      If ads didn't do what I described, above, and were hosted locally, then yeah, I would never have installed an ad-blocker in the first place. Most of us woudn't have.

  14. Pros and Cons by dskoll · · Score: 2, Informative

    Pros:

    • It really does seem a hell of a lot faster than Firefox 56.

    Cons:

    • As others have mentioned, the GUI changes are shit. Thanks to those who told how to remove the blank spaces before the URL bar and after the search bar, but the rest of the changes are horrible.
    • There's currently no viable replacement for the It's All Text plugin that lets you edit textareas in an external editor. That really cramps my style.
    • The rendered content seems a bit squashed compared to FF56.
  15. It is actually faster by sjbe · · Score: 2

    Generally when a browser boasts of speed increases I sort of shrug because it's rarely obvious. Typically I'm more limited by the speed of the connection than by the browser processing speed. However this time it Firefox actually does appear to work notably faster. I'm not particularly impressed or offended by the visual changes but they are fine I guess. But I am actually (pleasantly) surprised to see how much quicker it works. I use Firefox as my primary browser so it's nice to see a change for the better. Hopefully nothing important broke in the process...

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  17. Still waiting on the Slashdot Browser by Merk42 · · Score: 4, Funny

    C'mon people. Everyone here seems to know what would make the most perfect flawless browser. Why has no one here done it?

  18. Thank you Mozilla by donstenk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Thank you for keeping up, thank you for being non profit and open source and thank you for offering a cross platform alternative independent of advertising companies and OS vendors.

    This is important work.

    Thank you ðY(TM)ðY.

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