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Net Neutrality Advocates Plan Protests For December 7 at Verizon Stores (techcrunch.com)
Jordan Crook, writing for TechCrunch: During yesterday's announcement of the upcoming vote, the FCC neglected to mention the historic 22 million comments on the issue, the majority of which were opposed to its rollback. In response, protests are being held on December 7 at Verizon retail stores across the country. The protests were organized by Demand Progress, Fight For The Future, and FreePress Action Fund. Here's what the protest organizers have to say on their event page: "Ajit Pai is clearly still working for Verizon, not the public. But he still has to answer to Congress. So we're calling on our lawmakers to do their job overseeing the FCC and speak out against Ajit Pai's plan to gut Title II net neutrality protections and give Verizon and other giant ISPs everything on their holiday wishlist.
A health care startup could pay to prioritize the traffic of its patients who are being monitored remotely: "That could be perk," he says.
"When IoT pacemakers are a thing I want mine in the fast lane and fuck you poor bitches", he says.
FUCK AGIT PEI AND FCC
What do protests really accomplish?
We're going to have to wait for Jan 2019 or Jan 2021 to solve this one with legislation.
Pai said from the get-go that public commentary would not impact his decision. He's making regulations that financially benefit him and his cronies, in direct opposition to both public welfare and public demand. It's clear that this is simply one more example of corporate hijacking of our political system -- they're just going through the motions to make it seem legitimate.
and trolling is cheap and easy. Once Net Neutrality is dead, trolling will be much more expensive and will reach less people. #MAGA #GoodByeAnon
oh well.
Protesting Comcast and Time Warner Customers will be rerouted through back alleys and abandoned lots until they reach Walmart, where they will be directed to the Straight Talk counter.
Check your premises.
I've heard a lot of bitching about the FCC dropping NN.
Well OK then - what EXACTLY are your predictions as to what will happen as a consequence that is bad? What will be different after today than what companies were already doing to date?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Just asking.
why can't we have twitter move Donald Trumps Twitter account to a server running 56.6 Kbit connection to the internet? would that not be hard and or fitting?
Welcome to the distraction of 'whataboutism'. Logical fallacy. Stop wasting our time.
I get the impression you're a little confused about a great many things.
With Net neutrality, a carrier cannot make a deal with a company like Netflix to give you unlimited streaming. They have to treat all data the same. It also means that you might get a certain speed but not have a guarantee of consistency if they cannot shape traffic based on the type of data. Streaming video or video conferencing requires more consistency and low latency whereas downloading files does not.
Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
There is literally zero possibility that you've made it through the news cycle today without being exposed to the answer. Stop wasting bandwidth.
I noticed how you dismiss all of his arguments though. Including the one about the FCC chairman, you know the one who's supposedly going to benefit from this? I also don't see how he benefits. I don't want net neutrality to go away, and it's very possible that corporate interests are taking precedence over public interests. But spouting nonsense doesn't fix that issue. Let's get to the bottom of who's really behind the push and why and talk about that. From what I can tell Verizon is the one pushing it. Protesting in their stores isn't very effective. However, a boycott would hurt them greatly if it were long term. Don't renew your contract and go with a different provider if you feel strongly about net neutrality. Hit em where it hurts.
I don't believe in karma, I just call it like I see it.
FTC already said when they take over regulation from the FCC, they will keep net neutrality.
The difference is the switch from title-2 to title-1 reclassification, and the Information providers control, which would also regulate Facebook/Google, etc.
Lots of fud going around has people worked up and worried, just read what FCC Chairman has been saying and google ftc net neutrality.
Way overreaction from media getting people upset.
Every time I hear people freaking out about this regulation, I want to slap them. They are worried about the wrong thing! Think of what T-Mobile and sprint do to the cell phone market. Two much smaller companies force Verizon and AT&T todo things they don't want to. This is capitalism. The problem with the ISP isn't net neutrality, but to much government iteration. The government is/has picked winners and losers. City's close out competition, Limit access to polls making cost to market very high/impossible. A truly competitive market will fix itself, but they need competition. Deregulate, make it easier for companies to reach the end user, incentives co-ops. Driving competition is the only way to ensure a stable market. Regulations just limit those who can enter the market and keep power consolidated.
If people want to actually get results start by:
1. Writing (hardcopy and sent by "snailmail") letters to public officials with formal-language grammar expressing displeasure and politely offering solution of law to override: district representatives for the House, state representatives for the Senate, and President
https://www.senate.gov/senator...
https://www.house.gov/represen...
https://www.whitehouse.gov/con...
2. It does not hurt to submit or virtually sign a petition here: https://petitions.whitehouse.g...
3. Make attempt to contact state level officials to make laws to override: States, under 10th Amendment are not without sovereignty in spite of Article I, Section 8. The FCC would need to take legal action against the state in order to invalidate such laws. It may be to note that Tom Wheeler lost a battle against Tennessee a few years back.
4. Where not restricted by legalized monopolies, either have local governments, or if not possible organized co-ops for internet access (a can of worms in and of itself, but then the customers and the owners will be the same).
5. If still wishing to do protests, make sure a reasonably large crowd also shows up at the the House of Representative local offices. Prominent is good, but keep everything peaceful and non-disruptive at whatever location and invite the local press.
6. If one suspects the FCC to be in the pockets of ISPs, simple discontinue all services of those providers
We don't doubt it. As a Trumpeter the list of things you are confused about is quite long to be sure.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
The pen is mightier than the sword. The powers that be are catching on.
FTA: "Net neutrality closed down market competition by generally putting government and its corporate backers in charge of deciding who can and cannot play in the market. It erected barriers to entry for upstart firms while hugely subsidizing the largest and most well-heeled content providers." https://fee.org/articles/goodb...
Whenever there is a massive political or PR campaign, it's not good. Yet for net neutrality it seems overwhelmingly good, yet it's still happening. You really have to stop and ask why.
Lets start with what everyone hates about the internet or is intimately connected to the internet:
Now the things we like about the internet:
Now what happens if net neutrality is removed:
So what happens next? Is that the end of the internet? Yes and no. Meshnet routers are already cheaper than cellphones. They are already being implemented in cities. There are rural networks not run by cable companies which will work with their local communities. The answer should be pretty obvious at this point: if people hate the internet enough but want the good it had back, they will build meshnets (Hell, you can already link your neighbors together for less than the cost of a monthly cable bill, on a faster connection, as a one-time hardware fee.) The only thing stopping this now is that there is no motive, people are complacent because the internet works and there's a critical mass aspect wherein not enough people are irritated with it yet.
So what happens when the removal of net neutrality inevitably makes people replace the internet with mesh networking:
But wait, because there's oh so much more:
No matter how you slice this, killing net neutrality is a good thing. It's going to be like ripping off a
Right. It's like how laws against breaking and entering hurt us. With B&E laws people can't enter your home without your permission and slip $1000 under your pillow!
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
I think the 'benefit' part is a merely implicit at this point. The guess is that is that a) he came from Verizon and is pushing their interests b) when he leaves the FCC he'll more than likely go back there and get a big fat pay day. The sad thing is that I'd totally be down for the 'free-market' ideology part of his argument if there were actually choices in the ISP space. I've never had more than one realistic choice any place I've ever lived (Chicago, Madison Wisconsin, Los Angeles, Boulder Colorado). If we had a dozen choices for ISPs, I think the market would actually work it all out.
Historic?
More like historically-unprecedented fraud.
https://www.infowars.com/fcc-to-free-internet-from-obamas-net-neutrality-rules/
I'm afraid simply changing the contract with another ripoff carrier isn't enough. I'm sure a righteous isp might exist somewhere, but are they in my area? Should I move? These are questions I shouldn't have to ask. I for one am willing to fight for the neutrality of the internet, and by fight I mean with every tool available to me. Obviously, words are wind. Those who think they have the power to decide haven't met the political will. If they keep poking the powder keg, it might just blow. Companies who have the power to sway a government supposedly for the people are too powerful by far. I say, force their deconstruction. Failing that, I say we force them back to where they came from, straight to hell.
Internet socialism is finally getting FLUSHED:
https://fee.org/articles/goodbye-net-neutrality-hello-competition/
that article is a flaming ball of garbage.
"With market-based pricing finally permitted, we could see new entrants to the industry because it might make economic sense for the first time to innovate. The growing competition will lead, over the long run, to innovation and falling prices."
false. net neutrality was only passed recently, in 2015. the industry had plenty of time to 'innovate' before then.
"Net Neutrality... had the quiet support of the leading Internet service providers Comcast and Verizon."
false. Comcast and Verizon have been spending small fortunes to FIGHT net neutrality.
"Netflix, Amazon, and the rest don’t want ISPs to charge either them or their consumers for their high-bandwidth content. They would rather the ISPs themselves absorb the higher costs of such provision."
false. content providers and end users are ALREADY paying for the amount of bandwidth that they use. net neutrality is what prevents ISPs from charging ADDITIONAL fees based on the TYPE of content being supplied, or the company the content is coming from.
"Net neutrality closed down market competition by generally putting government and its corporate backers in charge of deciding who can and cannot play in the market. It erected barriers to entry for upstart firms while hugely subsidizing the largest and most well-heeled content providers."
false. net neutrality ensures that upstart firms can pay the same rates for internet access and bandwidth as the big guys - all they need is standard internet connection, and they can push their content to anyone for no additional cost. in PREVENTS barriers from being erected. without net neutrality, if i wanted to start a new video streaming service. the ISPs could block or deprioritize my traffic unless i pay them additional licensing fees.
You are a complete tool. You did nothing to address his argument. He made a real argument, and all you can do it sling mud (like a tool).
I am all for TRUE Net neutrality, but that's not what we got from the FCC.
I don't want corporations to decide on my bandwidth, but I also don't want a government agency to over step it's bounds either. Congress needs to pass a law saying all internet traffic is simply data, and that data can't be filtered, censored, throttled or blocked in any way.
But what about Netflix's competitors that can't afford to deploy portable data centers at ISP head-ends?
Ken
Allegedly there were 22 million comments here.
Most of those comments were fakes generated by foreign automated sources.
If those were all real comments, we should expect to see MILLIONS of people show up to these protests, right? But that will not happen. When the physical representation does not match the digital representation, it will prove that this pro net neutrality movement is a paper tiger, a phantom, a myth.
You're an idiot.
The only thing they where they are conservative is spending money on their networks.
Verizon is so "tight with a buck" I think their finance department could change a dollar bill in threes!
Ok so I didn't do any research, I'm just going to ask. How is removing Title II from ISPs going to affect safe harbor and copyright infringement issues? Title II protects ISP from litigation when illegal activity is facilitated by their networks. If NN goes poof, and ISP's are no longer Title II, do they lose their protections against litigation, regarding facilitating criminal behavior?
At 2 a.m.
That's what they would do and the headline would read if they REALLY wanted to have an impact. It wouldn't matter if they all got arrested or only police showed up. Not only would Ajit's sleep be disturbed but also his neighbors' sleep. THEY (or the neighborhood association) would force him to move out of the neighborhood. Wash, rinse, and repeat anywhere he moves himself and his family to. It's amazing what happens when someone is desperate for a good night's sleep.
The organizers/promoters of Net Neutrality are badly organized/led if they think protesting at Verizon stores is going to do anything. They're better off protesting at their state capitals or city halls (if the capital is too far away). A letter-writing campaign to their Congressmen would be more effective.
I disagree with Trump's policy regarding the Internet even though I support him overall (mostly due to illegal immigration and works visas). That said, my personal solution to this would be vertical separation of industry, so that cable TV becomes a service running on telecom cables.
https://www.wired.com/2014/06/...
If the Republicans believe in the free market, tearing down Net Neutrality is a failure to practice what they preach. Part of a free market is ensuring competition is encouraged for the benefit of the consumer. When protecting freedoms they seem to favor corporate freedom over individual freedom about 100 to 1. That fucktard has no business making FCC policy. Hooray for regulatory capture!
Many proponents of Net Neutrality claim that QOS is associated with the endpoints of the service. It is not.
With QOS, frames are tagged as high priority so particular services, such as live streaming voice and video data will not be interrupted by other traffic. This behavior can be set on a switch where VLAN traffic is tagged using 802.1P.
Ajit Pai is describing traffic shaping, in which an ISP limits the transmission or reception speed of an endpoint. This is often done at the customer modem based on the amount you pay, but can be implemented against non-customers through common carriers.
Ajit Pai argues that the rules were not in place before 2015 and the Internet worked fine, but we remember how Comcast put the screws to NetFlix to extract more money or promote it's own Xfinity competitor. The rules were necessary because the ISP's in the roll of bridge-troll were in the position of picking winners and losers. Now they will be again.
Of course, Ajit Pai knows this. He is picking winners, and those winners are his friends at Verizon. Watch the revolving door when this disingenuous pig of a lawyer leaves "public service".
In the mean time, when my ISP chokes my bandwidth based on endpoint, I will sue them for breach of contract. Oh wait, republicans have allowed the ISPs to eliminate my constitutional right to due process, forcing me to submit to binding biased arbitration.
Yep, your complete moron status is confirmed.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
Slow down buddy, don't want to strain yourself!
Now just another f'ing day on the calendar ;(
I am assuming you are not Tim Allen, but you really do your best to make this ToolTime.
Tool.