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Justin Trudeau Is 'Very Concerned' With FCC's Plan to Roll Back Net Neutrality (vice.com)

Justin Ling, reporting for Motherboard: Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says President Donald Trump's plan to roll back net neutrality protections for the internet "does not make sense" and that he'll be looking into what he can do to defend net neutrality for the whole internet. "I am very concerned about the attacks on net neutrality," Trudeau said in Toronto, in response to a question from Motherboard about Trump's plans. "Net neutrality is something that is essential for small businesses, for consumers, and it is essential to keep the freedom associated with the internet alive." Motherboard asked specifically what Trudeau planned to do in response to the plan put forward on Tuesday by the Federal Communications Commission, which could pave the way for tiered internet service and pay-for-play premium access to internet consumers. "We need to continue to defend net neutrality," Trudeau added. "And I will."

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  1. The U.S. needs a healthy government. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Justin Trudeau should also worry about the general breakdown of the U.S. government in many other areas.

    1. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by penandpaper · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why? Canada is doing a fine job of undermining the principles of freedom and liberty.
      https://globalnews.ca/news/387...
      https://globalnews.ca/news/387...

    2. Re: The U.S. needs a healthy government. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Totally. He is one to talk, the little fascist.

    3. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You do know that WLU doesn't represent Canada in any way, right? Kind of hard for Canada to undermine the principles of freedom and liberty when it's the administration of a university that's being idiots. It's not like they're lawmakers.

    4. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 2

      Justin Trudeau's opinion isn't even relevant to most of Canada, but he still forces it on us, anyway....

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    5. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by Strider- · · Score: 5, Informative

      Neither of those have anything to do with the federal government.

      What was your point again?

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    6. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by boudie2 · · Score: 1

      Justin Trudeau's opinion isn't even relevant to most of Canada, but he still forces it on us, anyway....

      He's defending net neutrality which I assume we all want, so maybe we should give him a break.

    7. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      That happened because of the law passed by Canada and over zealous university policy in response to that law. As much as it is the government it is cultural to disregard fundamental principles that made our nations what they are today. The point is that Trudeau should be more concerned about Canada and their problems then be concerned about the technicalities of which US bureaucracy will regulate US businesses that have no bearing on Canadian business or citizenry.

    8. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      We all want it and yet it isn't clear whether the regulations that are being rolled back are truly net neutrality in practice particularly so because they do not address the companies that are actively censoring ideas and opinion online today. That is more of a concern then Netflix paying for extra server racks.

    9. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by PmanAce · · Score: 1

      "During the meeting, which Shepherd secretly recorded and provided to Global News, she was reprimanded for showing students a video of University of Toronto professor Jordan Peterson, who refuses to use pronouns other than “he” or “she” for transgender individuals.

      The university said showing the clip of Peterson, without denouncing it, created a toxic atmosphere for students. The meeting left Shepherd in tears."

      That is not really free speech...

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    10. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by PmanAce · · Score: 1

      When was the law passed?

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    11. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by barc0001 · · Score: 2

      How old are you that you don't recognize it might be easier to ask someone who appears to be already familiar with a particular situation than it would be to randomly Google a variety of laws hoping you find the relevant one?

      Neither of the provided links, nor another 5 stories on the Laurier situation I searched have any mention of the specific law in question. SO yes, **asking** someone for direct information on it is appropriate. When the hell did asking questions become something to belittle people over?

    12. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by quantaman · · Score: 1

      Justin Trudeau should also worry about the general breakdown of the U.S. government in many other areas.

      True, but the US is a very large market in the shared resource of the Internet. The fall of net neutrality will negatively affect the quality of the Internet for everyone.

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    13. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      As a Canadian, I'd like to know exactly what law you're talking about.

      Ontario has passed some laws linked to human rights complaints, basically saying that if you're persistently being a dick by misgendering someone (for instance) that might be grounds for a complaint and sitting through a tribunal (as I recall), but there's certainly no FEDERAL law that's been passed. Is that the one you're talking about? The one that Jordan Peterson incorrectly claims can land him in jail?

    14. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by RedK · · Score: 3, Informative

      He's defending net neutrality which I assume we all want, so maybe we should give him a break.

      Sure, we all want Net Neutrality. However, I don't think Mr. Trudeau, a drama teacher, understands exactly what the FCC is rolling back.

      Even the FCC Commissioner, Micheal Orielly, an Obama appointee, doesn't like the 2015 FCC regulations, as they are not the Net Neutrality we want. From his dissent :

      (page 399)

      https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_pub...

      The FCC âoefactâ sheet promised bright line rules, but the reality is that the bulk of this rulemaking
      will be conducted through case-by-case adjudication, mostly at the Bureau level and in the courts. To be
      sure, there are three bright line rules: no blocking, no throttling, and no paid prioritization. But those are
      mere needles in a Title II haystack.

      So basically, what we want, ie, no blocking, no throttling, no paid prioritization, are not the things the regulations really cover. Feel free to go through the PDF I linked, it contains both the Legislation and Micheal's dissent to it. This is a much more complicated matter than simply Net Neutrality vs Not Net Neutrality. The Media is simply not doing a proper job of reporting what is actually going on, and instead simply trying to paint a binary black and white picture of the situation to foster emotional backlash against the administration.

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    15. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by penandpaper · · Score: 1
    16. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by penandpaper · · Score: 3, Insightful

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      incorrectly claims can land him in jail?

      I believe one of the consequences could be a fine. If you refuse to pay the fine then you could be jailed: Is the contention Peterson made. Is that true?

      If that is true then it is semantics of what you are jailed for; not paying the fine as opposed to the reason for that fine and why that fine was not paid. Yes, technically you will not be jailed for that but you can be if you refuse to pay the fine over principle as Peterson has said.

      Is compelled speech acceptable in a society that values free speech?

    17. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by boudie2 · · Score: 1

      Well if you read and understand the 400 page pdf you linked to you're a better man than I. Perhaps you could provide a concise synopsis of the advantages of the new legislation and how it would benefit the typical internet user.

    18. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by dskoll · · Score: 1

      How does that law apply to the WLU situation again? Connect the dots for us...

    19. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by dskoll · · Score: 2, Informative

      Peterson is a liar. Here is the text of the bill (PDF): www.parl.gc.ca/content/hoc/Bills/421/Government/C-16/C-16_1/C-16_1.PDF.

      Show me anything in that bill relating to compelled speech or pronoun usage.

    20. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by dskoll · · Score: 1

      You are lying. Nothing in Canadian law relates to compelled speech. Show me the text of a law that does. (The actual text. Not some third-party possibly-incorrect interpretation of the text.)

    21. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      How would you like me to hold your hand? What are you having difficult? Help me help you.

    22. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      So a university does something which is seen as limiting free speech, publicly apologizes for it and commits to better upholding free speech, and overall you see this as a step in the wrong direction?

    23. Re: The U.S. needs a healthy government. by mean+pun · · Score: 1

      >When the hell did asking questions become something to belittle people over?

      In Soviet America, stupid people judge YOU!

      This seems to be the new /. tag line.

    24. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      Asking a question is lying now? You are a troll.

    25. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by dskoll · · Score: 1

      Show me exactly how any provision in C-16 applies to the situation in WLU. Actually provide evidence. Not sarcastic ducking of the issue.

    26. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by dskoll · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Please show me the actual text of the bill that "outlaws racial slurs" or that "forces you to use your preferred pronoun." The actual text.

      Note also that the Canadian Bar Association (you know... actual Canadian lawyers) say that C-16 does not threaten freedom of expression. See here

    27. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by dskoll · · Score: 2

      No, sorry. The burden of proof is on those claiming compelled speech. Show me the actual text of any Canadian law that compels speech. Put up or shut up.

    28. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by iCEBaLM · · Score: 1

      It doesn't. UWL Prof had a discussion in class about the situation with UoT Prof Jordan Peterson where special snowflakes wanted to force him to use their chosen pronouns. An equally special snowflake complained to UWL about that talk, saying it made them feel uncomfortable.

      Neither of these instances is illegal as far as C16 goes, because there is no discrimination.

    29. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by dskoll · · Score: 1, Troll

      There's no compelled speech. Peterson refuses to use the proper pronouns for trans people. That doesn't make him criminal. It makes him an asshole, but what he's doing isn't illegal. If it were, he'd have been charged.

      I don't agree with WLU's position, for the record. I'm referring to the suggestion that the Canadian government somehow compels speech. The WLU decision was done by a bunch of hyper-scared academics afraid of blowback from touchy students.

    30. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      Why don't you quote what you think my position is in this thread so that we can be on the same page instead of continuing your obtuse trolling? Here is a hint: it's the 2nd post.

    31. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by iCEBaLM · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also as a Canadian, the problem with these "human rights" laws is that they don't get tried in a court, they get heard by a board. I have very real concerns about it, and I can see someone who hasn't taken the law seriously twisting some of these to actually land someone in jail.

      The problem is this: Peterson doesn't use someones preferred pronoun, a "Human Rights Board" sides with the special snowflake and fines Peterson. Peterson refuses to pay the fine. Then what? The ultimate consequence is he goes to jail.

    32. Re: The U.S. needs a healthy government. by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      You might want to look at what the HRCs have been doing.

      He might not be a criminal, but putting personal delusions about gender into the "protected" category opens the floor for the "human rights commissions" to investigate and punish anything they deem to be "hate speech" based on "gender identity". The fact that those investigations do not fall under the criminal system does not change the fact that it is a massive infringement on free speech.

    33. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      Refusing the order of a court at any time for any reason means possible jail time, and that's a matter completely separate from what gets him into the court. It's a two-step decision, see: the decision to break the law that lands him in the court, and the decision to break the law again to refuse to comply with whatever the court deems necessary. It's like saying that parking tickets can land you in jail. Perhaps that's true if you go out of your way not to pay them and then defy a court order, but there's no criminal penalty for parking badly.

      So yes, the semantics are important here. By Peterson's logic, literally anything could land you in jail, even crimes that normally are unassociated with jail time. If you break the law with intent to defy a court for protest purposes, that's your own thing, and you can't pin that on the law as written.

    34. Re: The U.S. needs a healthy government. by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      Teachers that cry in school should be removed. My Grade 12 math teacher couldn't help students and would cry when the student got upset and frustrated with her. We all went to another teacher for help after that.

    35. Re: The U.S. needs a healthy government. by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      No, they're qualitatively just as bad as each other.

      I suppose you could say Trump is better is this regard - at least he doesn't quite know what he's doing. Trudeau doesn't have that excuse, he knows and is quite happy to do it.

    36. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      the actual text doesn't matter - its the effects that are problematic. If you pass a law that can be used to oppress people, its an oppressive law, regardless of the original intention.

    37. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      You are a fucking troll.
      Use this phrase
      "The bill adds “gender identity or expression” to the list of prohibited grounds of discrimination in the Canadian Human Rights Act and the list of characteristics of identifiable groups protected from hate propaganda in the Criminal Code. "

      And tell me how that would affect these laws.

      http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca...
      http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca...

    38. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      I agree. I think that is why the point of compelled speech is the important part because as far as speech is concerned it is a different animal all together. I have to say certain things to be lawful. It's a matter of how far you are willing to legislate individual interactions and force language usage in those interactions. Personally, I am glad the US has the 1st amendment and multiple court rulings to ensure that compelled speech can never be lawful.

      If you break the law with intent to defy a court for protest purposes, that's your own thing, and you can't pin that on the law as written.

      Civil disobedience comes in many forms.

    39. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If there was a "Federal Law" it would be meaningless. Civil Rights are matters of exclusive Provincial Jurisdiction over which the Federal Government has no power whatsoever, except perhaps for Indians, Non-Naturalized Immigrants, and other persons under Federal Jurisdiction (such as Federal Government Employee's). For 99.999999999% of Canadians the Federal Government is completely irrelevant in this regard.

    40. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      For any of this to apply it must involve a PERSON under Federal Jurisdiction. Unless the guy is an Indian (as in a card carrying native Indian living on a Reserve), or a non-citizen Immigrant, or an employee of the Federal Government none of this applies to him.

      Case closed.

    41. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      However it provides the Canadian Prime Minister are very effective distraction and quite simply an easy vote catcher, see I am way better than that Orange Orangutan selling out his fellow citizens to the corporate overlords. Seriously, why would you expect any politician to pass that up, they will be doing it all over the globe, "see I am not Trump, see we are not the corrupt US government, see we protect the digital speech of people, vote for me". US politicians in turn will be able to whine and moan and do fuck all except dream that everyone will forget what they have done prior to the next election. Suck it up it will continue to happen, even Russia is pointing the finger and you can bet China will join in (see the US say bad things about China but the American politicians sold out to their corporate masters, net neutrality in Chine, heh, heh, everyone gets censored vs US where the 99% will get censored whilst the 1% will get to digitally scream at them 24/7).

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    42. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "The bill adds “gender identity or expression” to the list of prohibited grounds of discrimination in the Canadian Human Rights Act

      But it doesn't contain anything "relating to compelled speech or pronoun usage," does it?

      The issue here is that Wilfrid Laurier was " misapplying the law in the very same way that the alt-right and even some mainstream conservatives have been framing the debate, asserting that the addition of gender identity and expression would lead to the criminalization of everyday speech. This is untrue ... "

      The problem is not the law. The problem is people like you deliberately misrepresenting it to the point that the misrepresentation is taken to be the law acted upon.

    43. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by Miles_O'Toole · · Score: 1

      I guess you didn't know education is governed by the provinces, not the federal government.

      Please do everybody a favour, and keep your mouth shut if you're too lazy and/or too stupid to inform yourself about something so basic concerning how my country is governed.

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    44. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't that apply to Trudeau as well? Why would he be concerned over something that doesn't affect Canadian business or citizenry?

        It's a federal law and the actions by the university were in response to that law. Please do me a favor, and don't act like a twat just because your country is doing stupid shit.

    45. Re: The U.S. needs a healthy government. by nyri · · Score: 1

      If Trudeau sees fit to comment things in US (not part of jurisdiction of Canadian goverment), he should also be able to comment things closer to home. Maybe he should even pay more attention to things in Canada.

      And, as a side note, those thing are closely related to Canadaâ(TM)s goverment because they are related to C16.

    46. Re: The U.S. needs a healthy government. by kenh · · Score: 1

      Canada as a nation can't deal with a fraction of the border-crossing immigrants we see here in Texas every day - they have no plan.

      They have hidden behind their inaccessibility (you have to enter the US to enter Canada unless you swim there) and the existing agreement between the US and Canada is that immigrants that cross I to Canada from the US are returned to the US as their point of first contact, and are then subject to US immigration/asylum/refugee policies.

      Canada talks tough regarding US immigration policy, but won't itself live up to what it expects the US to do regarding illegal immigrants.

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    47. Re: The U.S. needs a healthy government. by kenh · · Score: 1

      True, but the US is a very large market in the shared resource of the Internet. The fall of net neutrality will negatively affect the quality of the Internet for everyone.

      How?

      Seriously, how does an ISP, like Verizon or Comcast, throttling down certain service providers and offering higher data rates to paying service provider for their own customers impact a single Canadian internet user? Is all of Canada leeching off ISP accounts from Verizon, Comcast in the US? No, of course not, so I ask again, how do US regulations that impact US ISPs exclusively become the concern of foreign leaders?

      A parallel argument would be if the President of Mexico was to declare that Canadian property taxes were preventing low-income people from affording homes elsewhere around the world.

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    48. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Does anybody else find it fucking hilarious when the left claims "But but but Trump is corrupt!" while Shillary was allowed to literally buy the DNC which in turn allowed her to buy the superdelegates which made the democratic primary about as fair as a game of three card monty run by a street hustler in a NYC back alley?

      Say what you want but at least people in the Rep primaries had a CHOICE and chose to vote for Trump, we now know that 100% of the people could have voted for Bernie and he still would have lost, the entire Dem primary was as fixed as pro wrestling before the first vote was even cast.

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    49. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by Altrag · · Score: 1

      Since at least the early 90s and probably much earlier. "RTFM" and similar asshat comments have been around as long as there's been public forums to ask questions.

    50. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by Altrag · · Score: 1

      Not really. A large portion of the left are aware that Hillary was corrupt too.

      The difference is that Hillary didn't get elected. Her corruption means jack squat all at this point.

    51. Re: The U.S. needs a healthy government. by Altrag · · Score: 1

      He does. Frequently. That's his damned job. The fact that American news sources don't report on Canadian goings on doesn't imply nothing goes on in Canada.

      Also, this is very related to Canada as we rely fairly heavily on US-based internet services. And its important for Canadians to know that we don't (currently) have any intention of following along in the US' foot steps on this issue, thus avoiding at least some level of uncertainty that may have cropped up should speculators start wondering about the intentions of the CRTC in light of the FCC fuckup.

      And if you want to stretch it just a little bit, the comment could also be taken as a bit of a wink and a nudge to tech companies in the US that will be negatively impacted by the removal of net neutrality and suggesting that there's a perfectly safe home just a little further north should they be interested, which would benefit the Canadian economy.

    52. Re: The U.S. needs a healthy government. by Altrag · · Score: 1

      Because some of "their own customers" happen to be websites that Canadians use. If those websites get throttled, it affects everyone that uses them, globally.

      Most of the major websites of course have Canadian CDNs, if not full servers being hosted in Canada and certainly those sites won't suffer. But of course those sites being the "major" ones aren't going to be the ones that face the worst impact of this decision.

      And that's before we start talking about the possibility of say, geolocked upselling. Want your website visible in the US? $100/mo + $10/tb data. Want it visible in the US at high speed? $1500/mo + $50/tb data. Want it visible in Canada and Mexico? Add another $400/mo and an additional $20/tb "long distance" charges for any bits sent across the border. Want it available in Europe, Asia or South America? Add $5000/mo per region and an additional $100/tb "long distance" for any bits sent overseas.

      And I'm sure there's a dozen schemes they'll come up with to screw their customers over in the sake of short-term profit, but for us end users what it will mean is that a) Everything in the US is more expensive, b) Most things hosted in the US will be unavailable outside of the US and similarly, c) Many things outside the US will be too expensive for average Americans.

      Hopefully they wouldn't go that far, and even if they do its unlikely to happen right away as the backlash would be horrendous. That's the kind of scheme they phase in over a decade or two so that by the time its done, nobody remembers how things came to be that way.

    53. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by iCEBaLM · · Score: 1

      Since when does having a pronoun you identify with constitute being a "special snowflake?"

      Since people made them up for non-existing genders to reinforce their mental illness.

    54. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by Miles_O'Toole · · Score: 1

      Because it actually does. And telecommunications (including the interwebs) actually is a federal responsibility.

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    55. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      WLU absolutely represents Canada, it along with UWO, UT, Waterloo, and so on train the next generation of leaders and thinkers. They're the "top tier" universities. The stuff that the parent poster listed is rife in Canadian universities, the only places where it's being pushed back are in the universities with very limited soft-science programs.

      I'll remind you that it was the Liberal Party of Canada(Trudeau's) under Jean Chretien who first implemented the idea of digital spying without a warrant. The following CPC(Harper) government passed a very watered down version which was struck down by the SCC as being overly broad, which may or maynot have been their intention there's plenty of talk both ways. But considering it was also the provincial liberals of New Brunswick who tried to pass their own law and allow warrentless taps because cyberbullying and it was struck down by the courts. And the liberals in Ontario who tried to push the same and was outright told by the ontario AG not to do it? You bet your ass that there is something broken.

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    56. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      For any of this to apply it must involve a PERSON under Federal Jurisdiction.

      Wrong. It always goes to the kangaroo courts first always, whether it be federal or provincial. There's already been cases with "HRC's" fabricating evidence to go after people. A provincial HRC can destroy your life, and you'll never see a day in court. Why? Because by the time all your money is gone, you can't afford the lawyer to sue in court. Lot's of people don't like Ezra Levant for example, but until he made it a news story about how people get screwed over by unelected bureaucrats with an axe to grind, in AB and ON, the conviction rate was 100%.

      It became so much of a problem, that the previous government revoked S.13 of the HRC which was being used as a political witch-hunting tool.

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    57. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      The difference is that Hillary didn't get elected. Her corruption means jack squat all at this point.

      No, it means that the party is fundamentally broken and the people who support it are perfectly fine with it.

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    58. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms certainly gives people a right to speech, religion and conscience, but it also takes the balancing stance that there is some speech that reduces the freedom of others to live a free and acceptable life. So (and this is in common with US law, AFAIK) death threats are not protected speech; to a certain extent, they limit the freedom of the victim.

      In this context, *harassing* someone by persistently denying their identity is what's at issue. It's not so much compelled speech as realizing that doing something like misgendering someone can have an adverse affect on them. Peterson doesn't have to interact with transgender people if he doesn't want to, except perhaps as it pertains to his job, in which case, he should rightfully be compelled by his work contract to treat them with sufficient respect that they have no cause to make a complaint.

    59. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by RedK · · Score: 1

      Since when does having a pronoun you identify with constitute being a "special snowflake?" I bet you'd be pretty upset if someone in your life persistently insisted on using the wrong pronoun to refer to you ... like if you're a man and your boss insists on calling you a girl all the time.

      If we're talking about He or She, fine. Biologically proven genders. But Jordan Petersen is talking about "made up" language like Xir, Xer, Zir, Zer, Ze, Xe, Ye, etc.. etc.. With C-16, if your preferred pronouns are Xe/whatever, and I call you He because you're obviously a guy, not a "demi-fluid-boi", you can technically drag me to the HRC to force your "gender expression" which is made up stuff. And since it's made up, it's nearly impossible to remember all the combinations and properly apply them.

      Not to mention it's made up. Did I mention there's only 2 genders ? This is why Jordan Petersen talks about compelled speech. It's not about using the properly gendered He/She when referring to cis and trans people. It's about the 68 genders and their completely made up Z and X using pronouns.

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    60. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by RedK · · Score: 1

      Wow, there really has been a lot of groupthink here on Slashdot. As someone with anti-state, pro-market tendencies, I certainly oppose Net Neutrality both in the specifically proposed implementations and in principle. It surprises me that the tech crowd here can understand problems with something more subtle like Copyright Law (which also needs to be abolished) but completely fail to see the same in Net Neutrality.

      I'm sure you still want the 3 founding principals of "No Blocking, No Throttling and No Paid prioritization", you just disagree on having them applied as a Government madanted policy.

      You prefer the free market to force companies into it through competition and competitive advantage. There is more than a single path to Net Neutrality for sure.

      There may actually be people that want Blocking, and Throttling and Paid prioritization, but I doubt they are Internet consumers or here on Slashdot. We can disagree on the How and I don't think it's even healthy not to.

      My point was that the media is currently painting the 2015 Regulations as "The Only Way (tm)" and pretending that they are indeed simple rules, when they are in fact a convulted mess.

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    61. Re:The U.S. needs a healthy government. by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      So (and this is in common with US law, AFAIK) death threats are not protected speech; to a certain extent, they limit the freedom of the victim.

      Yes, there are limitations but they are clearly defined and the result of that causes harm or specifically a reasonable person would respond to protect their person or property.

      denying their identity is what's at issue.

      Denying someones identity is something that doesn't cause harm (you don't have to respond to protect your person or property), is poorly defined (how many genders are there and how many associate pronouns? How many mis-genderings does it take to break the law? how easy is it to change your gender?), and is based on a philosophy that is not universally accepted (post-modernity). Adopting language and the underlying philosophy against my will to be lawful is de facto compelled speech when no harm was being caused.

      Does denying identity extend to trans-racialism? If not why?

  2. Ha ha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That guy gets so much poutine!

  3. No jurisdiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    He means well, but this is a US problem and he's the Canadian Prime Minister ... no jurisdiction.

    As with many other issues, there is no substance to Trudeau's pronouncements in this case. At most, he has a bully pulpit, but not
    one that the US administration is likely to listen to.

    Our bigger problem here in Canada is that the Trump administration
    seems hell bent on many ill-advised legislative changes, the most worrying
    of which is that they will likely kill NAFTA. That's bad for all three countries,
    but when has evidence ever bothered politicians, never mind Republicans, never mind Trump (in order of increasing levels of ignorance).

    1. Re:No jurisdiction by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 2

      You do realize that Canada has already won a war against the US, right? Oh, no...you probably don't, US education system and all...

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    2. Re:No jurisdiction by mark-t · · Score: 1, Informative

      It's my understanding that many people believe that the USA won that war (or more generously, was a "tie"), simply because Canadian forces voluntarily withdrew upon that war's conclusion. The fact that the US's forces were completely repelled from Canada and that the whitehouse got burned to the ground is seen as irrelevant... Canada did nothing to try and occupy the US after the war, so many people believe that the USA didn't lose that one.

    3. Re:No jurisdiction by nuckfuts · · Score: 1

      Canada did nothing to try and occupy the US after the war...

      After we burned down the White House there seemed no need to stick around. The point was made.

    4. Re:No jurisdiction by boudie2 · · Score: 1

      We're talking Canada here. What are they gonna do, slap us to death with their hankies?

      Isn't that what you said about Vietnam?

    5. Re: No jurisdiction by cyber-vandal · · Score: 2

      Pretty much like you wouldn't have won the War of Independence without the French

    6. Re:No jurisdiction by mark-t · · Score: 2

      You mean, the Brits won it for them.

      Well, the Brits that won that war "for Canada" were actually *FROM* Canada. Canada didn't become sovereign until 1864, and was still part of the UK at the time, so saying that the "Brits won that war for Canada" is kind of like saying that non-Americans actually won the war for America in 1776.

    7. Re:No jurisdiction by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Sorry... I meant 1867. I didn't spot the typo until after I had clicked "submit".

    8. Re:No jurisdiction by mark-t · · Score: 2

      You mean kind of like how it was non-Americans who won the US revolutionary war?

    9. Re:No jurisdiction by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      He means well, but this is a US problem and he's the Canadian Prime Minister ... no jurisdiction.

      "Means well but mostly ineffective" could be the title of his autobiography.

    10. Re: No jurisdiction by kenh · · Score: 1

      Step one in any actual war between Canada and the US would likely involve the US removing all previously provided defense systems the US used to provide joint US & Canadian defense.

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    11. Re: No jurisdiction by boudie2 · · Score: 1

      Aside from the fact that the only successful military venture since WW II was in Panama, the U.S. was chased out of Korea, Vietnam, Lebanon, Somalia and is currently in two quagmires in Afghanistan and Iraq. Need I remind you of the current sorry state of politics and social unrest on the domestic front, and the fact that the present administration is being investigated for being bought off by Russia. Even tiny North Korea has been threatening to destroy you. The U.S. doesn't want to start trouble with the only country in the world that doesn't hate you.

  4. Thanks BuddyGuy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Thanks Justin - maybe you can now stop Bell, Rogers, and Telus from screwing us sideways with their predatory plans and network management strategies?

    1. Re:Thanks BuddyGuy by x0ra · · Score: 1

      don't forget about Shaw as well...

    2. Re:Thanks BuddyGuy by rikkards · · Score: 1

      So far the only thing I have found that works is buy an unlocked cell phone outright and don't change planes. If a good deal comes along then maybe change.

    3. Re:Thanks BuddyGuy by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Support TPIA's like Teksavvy, Ebox, Execulink and so on. They're the ones who are at the frontline of fighting Bell, Rogers, Telus, Shaw and so on. They also just won a major victory, that requires all of those companies to provide "last mile"(pole to the home) access to those TPIA's for fiber access.

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  5. Well, let's see by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 1

    Less than a week ago, the overwhelming sentiment was that media mogul Barry Diller's opinion carried no weight because he couldn't possibly understand the real issues at play and had a vested interest to boot.

    It'll be interesting to see how far the pendulum swings the other way for the opinion of Justin Trudeau, a politician and champion of centralized governmental control.

    I'll go out on a limb and predict overwhelming support for Trudeau, regardless of his qualifications to speak on the subject and regardless of his own vested interest, simply because he has the "right" opinion.

    1. Re:Well, let's see by x0ra · · Score: 1

      So you fully support Trump’s election as he fairly won the election then?

      Given the US Constitution, yes, Trump did won fairly. You cannot make an argument on the popular vote when candidate focused their effort on swing states rather than "convincing" the majority.

    2. Re:Well, let's see by x0ra · · Score: 1

      And it's not as if the Tories ever really did that much to shrink government, and only became converts, as it were, in the last couple of years before the 2015 election.

      The Tories' mistake was not government shinkage per-se, but to deviate back on their christian conservative agenda. This, and marijuana "promises". On that latter, millenials will have a bad hangover when they'll found out their ounce of weed is going to get twice as expensive as what they could get from their previous dealer.

    3. Re:Well, let's see by rikkards · · Score: 1

      10 an ounce plus a bit of tax ain't bad compared to down south. The real issue is I have a very sneaking suspicion the LPs will not be able to keep up with demand.

      PS. don't stereotype millenials they will probably not be the most users of the new system, it will be 20-30 year older demographic

    4. Re:Well, let's see by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Yes, I fully support Trump's election. He won it by the rules set down in the Constitution. Why would you assume otherwise?

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    5. Re:Well, let's see by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      The fact is that the majority of Canadians would punish any party that actually shrank the government that much. As it is, cuts to Service Canada front desk levels, among other things, actually pissed a good many people. And that's rather the point, I suppose. Lots of people are all about "shrinking government", but what most really mean is "shrink those parts of governments I don't use."

      But the Tories problems were numerous in their last term. They had a majority, and did virtually nothing with it. They were a dynamic, if at times misguided government in their two minority terms, but became positively sclerotic after they won their majority.

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    6. Re:Well, let's see by rikkards · · Score: 1

      SSC is actually the brain child of the Chretien govt, it finally got implemented under Harper (that doesn't excuse them just clarifies). The issues with SSC is the fact the union didn't want so many contractors (except that there is majority of their brain trust). That plus they are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Merging service for all departments is not something that can be done quickly as they are learning with Phoenix (don't get me started on that..)

      The ideal solution would have been to have SSC setup a standard solution and only take over the small depts like Elections and then once big enough start looking at migrating the higher fruit on the tree (i.e CSIS, DND, etc)

  6. Re:orly by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No, the ideas that Google and Facebook censor are those nasty, independent though, backed up by disgusting facts right wing ideas, so Trudeau doesn't care about them.

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  7. Re:The Bastard Child of Castro by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

    Well, if Net Neutrality disappears, then the tiny forum website that allows people who are gay men for 6 days a week, but identify as lesbiantranspostandrogynousmiscellanouswhydoihaveapenis on Tuedays to chat with others like them might not be reachable, so the 2 people who qualify for this in the entirety of Canada would be horribly oppressed.

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  8. Re:orly by reboot246 · · Score: 1

    I am "Very Concerned" about Justin's masculinity. I thought there were men in Canada, not girly men.

  9. Effect on Canada by lazarus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What happens when a Canadian citizen, using a Canadian ISP streams a video from a service that is shaped by a US network because the infrastructure is in a data center connected to a US telco? Or if the network connection goes through a network that has not been paid off by the service? I'm assuming that if you don't pay (some indie service doesn't pay AT&T or Verizon or whatever) then that service gets throttled no matter the endpoint.

    This overall move will probably tend to benefit Canada as more startups will probably locate in Canada (where the corporate tax rate is already at ~12.5%) and where there is at least a hope in hell of delivering their content to users without shaping.

    I'm not sure how this will play out exactly, but it won't be good for US innovation.

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    1. Re:Effect on Canada by x0ra · · Score: 1

      Spend less time to jerk of streaming porn, and more making Canada great..

    2. Re:Effect on Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Actually the streaming is done by large CDNs distributed around the world.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_delivery_network

      So the ONLY people this will impact long term is the USA. The rest of the world can carry on as is and put in laws that protect net neutrality.

      So in effect it will end up like healthcare, the USA pays twice as much as other 1st world countries for the same outcomes.
      The rest of the world can see all the mistakes the USA makes and prevent them from happening in their own countries.

    3. Re:Effect on Canada by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      The difference is that Hillary didn't get elected. Her corruption means jack squat all at this point.

      Nothing. There's already mirrors, CDN's, and so on in Canada that cover all of this. On top of it, Canada's ISP's at least all TPIA's(third-party ISPs) already use routing that bypasses the US unless it requests traffic directly through the US.

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  10. i agree by FudRucker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the government should enforce net neutrality to prevent corporate pirates, predators and vultures from dominating it just because they have the most money and power and influence over the infrastructure,

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    1. Re:i agree by x0ra · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile, in Canada, our Government is protecting corporate pirates, predators and vultures (ie. Bell, Verizon, Rogers, Telus & Shaw) domination on the telco market, through the CRTC.

  11. wrong audience by Comboman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He means well, but this is a US problem and he's the Canadian Prime Minister ... no jurisdiction. As with many other issues, there is no substance to Trudeau's pronouncements in this case. At most, he has a bully pulpit, but not one that the US administration is likely to listen to.

    The US administration or even the US general public is not the intended audience here. Trudeau is trying to reassure Canadian consumers (and warn Canadian ISPs) that Canada's CRTC will not follow in the FCC's footsteps.

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    1. Re: wrong audience by kenh · · Score: 1

      Then why not simply say that?

      He's not stupid, he choose to talk about us domestic policy as if it had world-wide implications, he could have simply said 'Canada will not follow the US's lead in this area'...

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  12. trudeau defending net neutrality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    trudeau can't defend the backcourt in a high school basketball game.

    his response to net neutrality will be to find some new socks, lie down in the fetal position and start crying while taking selfies.

    he's not a leader. he has no political background. he can't even answer simple questions in parliament. he's a substitute high school drama teacher. wish the world could see thru his bullshit.

    1. Re:trudeau defending net neutrality? by x0ra · · Score: 1

      He *does* have a political background: his daddy (who did pretty much as bad as he's currently doing).

    2. Re:trudeau defending net neutrality? by Orgasmatron · · Score: 1

      His daddy? Fidel Castro?

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    3. Re:trudeau defending net neutrality? by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Well it hasn't gotten that bad yet. Remember Trudeau Sr. actually instituted the war measures act(mandatory curfews and so on) because left-wing marxist quebec nationalists were trying to separate from Canada.

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  13. Trudeau's Media Image by nuckfuts · · Score: 1

    Trudeau may simply be saying this because he likes to project an image of being technically savvy, such as when he staged an "explanation" of quantum computing a while back.

    He is also not averse to completely reversing promises that he later finds to be inconvenient.

    Take whatever our pretty-boy Prime Minister says with a grain of salt.

    1. Re:Trudeau's Media Image by x0ra · · Score: 1

      ... this and the 10 billions promised deficit during the campaign, to then run a 30 billions deficit on his first budget.

    2. Re:Trudeau's Media Image by nuckfuts · · Score: 1

      Where did I imply that other PMs were different? My point is that Trudeau is presented as being different, but in reality he's as duplicitous as any other politician.

    3. Re:Trudeau's Media Image by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      I don't doubt that he means it, and he probably even understands it, I'm just unclear as to what he proposes to DO about it. The CRTC has it in hand, and they've been viciously quashing anything that even remotely resembles zero-rating, as they mention in the article.

      Though I suppose knowing the PM has this position somewhat bolsters the CRTC's actions, so they don't have to worry about any sort of governmental backlash.

      Now all they have to do is find some way to break the oligopoly that Canadian telcos have over the market. We may have Net Neutrality, but that doesn't mean providers aren't completely screwing us. :P

    4. Re:Trudeau's Media Image by nuckfuts · · Score: 1

      We may have Net Neutrality, but that doesn't mean providers aren't completely screwing us. :P

      I couldn't agree more.

  14. Re:The Bastard Child of Castro by BlueStrat · · Score: 1, Troll

    Well, if Net Neutrality disappears

    It would have had to existed as more than some words on paper first (it was never enacted/enforced) in order to 'disappear'.

    Want to see what the 'net would look like without NN? Look around. That's how it's always been and is now.

    NN as written reclassifies ISPs as common-carriers. This means that ISPs and device-makers would have to comply with CALEA which means mandated backdoors and LEA/TLA ability to intercept/decrypt everything codified into law.

    Be very, very careful what you wish for.

    You just may get it.

    Strat

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  15. Re:orly by x0ra · · Score: 1

    neither do they live in Montreal, Calgary, Edmonton or Vancouver :-(

  16. Re:Dating advince by x0ra · · Score: 1

    What you describe make it more "gay" than "masculine"...

  17. Re:Canada by x0ra · · Score: 1

    We're getting screwed just as much by big telcos, thanks to the CRTC.

  18. No real winner by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's my understanding that many people believe that the USA won that war

    Try looking at the facts. The US declared war on Britain after multiple provocations by the UK who were trying to stop the US providing Napoleon with supplies. The US's aim in the war was to try and conquer British North America (as it was then) and the British aim in the war was to stop the US supplying Napoleon. At the end of the war the border remained unchanged and there was no need to worry about Napoleon because he had been defeated. So the US did not achieve anything and the UK got what it wanted by default after completely blockading the US during the war. So it's hard to say whether anyone really won but if someone did it was definitely not the US.

    1. Re:No real winner by mschuyler · · Score: 1

      Well, they won the Battle of New Orleans. 2459 to 333. Pretty lopsided. Too bad they all got there late.

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    2. Re:No real winner by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      Clearly they "won the battle but lost the war" something which happens so often in history there is actually a saying for it!

  19. Re:Dating advince by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    i would be very careful about the premises you use for your argument.

    22:37 for 5k is a pretty good pace, i agree especially if he was shaking hands along the route.

    "leaving a trail of women in near orgasm" thats a hard one to prove unless you were running behind him interviewing the ladies. It is also rather presumptious to assume that all ladies are swooning over him with out some sort of scientific study to determine the distribution of ladies that find him attractive. For example, if the distribution of ladies swooning for JT is in the late 30's to early 40's then a 20 something year old probably should not be asking JT for any dating advice at all (unless said 20 year old is going cougar hunting)

    "hes fit" hes reasonably fit by my standards

    "a good boxer " https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
    thats the only fight i could find him in in which he has a clear reach advantage. From that i would say he is a decent amature boxer, to declare him a good boxer i would need to see him fight someone more evenly matched.

    "one of the most desired men on the planet" that right there is confirmation bias and kills your entire argument dead in its tracks. there is no way to logically state that he is one of the most desired men on the planet... note you might have gotten a pass if you had said he is one of the most desired national leaders on the planet, but even then i could have argued that a few of the others are more desirable.

    The point that i am trying to make is that the definition of "masculine" is incredibly subjective and there is no way to create a logical argument on what is masculine or not. Personally i dont find JT to be very masculine and i am sure there are a few people who would agree with me as well as several who would argue with me on that. either way, you should just let people think that there are girly men north of the border because that kind of self imposed misinformation is rather funny.

    As for the person who thinks that all men up here are girly men because of one man, well come for a visit you may be suprised to see that we have all sorts of men up here, maybe even a few that would interest you ;)

  20. Re:Dating advince by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1, Funny

    By contemporary American standards, I think being masculine means being a redpilled incel videogame journalism ethics advocate with a tiki torch and at least 6 guns.

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  21. Re:Canada lost the War of 1812 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The American goal was to annex Canada, the Canadian goal was to stay free. Suggesting the Americans won the war of 1812 is like saying Japan won WW2 because we all drive Toyota's.

  22. Canadian ISPs charge through the nose by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

    Canadian Carriers are even worse. They want nothing more than to have net neutrality so that they can charge you a premium for all of the data you use. These large companies like to play both sides but they would like nothing more than to double charge you for your phone calls if they implemented Voice over LTE because under net neutrality, they cannot favour their voice data over other people's data which means that you get unlimited voice but then they will charge you for going over the data limit.

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  23. Slashdot managers: Please ask for less anger. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    "When ... did asking questions become something to belittle people over?"

    I wish the managers of Slashdot would do something about the people who act out their anger toward Slashdot readers. It's not good for the angry people, and it makes reading Slashdot less pleasant.

  24. Re:Canada by mean+pun · · Score: 1

    Your dad's cancer was never "free", it was paid for either by debt (ie. taxes on future generation) or theft from others hard earned wages.

    Or perhaps from a pool of money that Canadians happily pay into so that they don't have to worry about bankruptcy from health problems.

  25. Nothing magical about the obvious by raymorris · · Score: 2

    > For instance, we have the idea that magically if we cut the corps taxes and the rich peoples that it will make life better for everyone

    Nothing magical about it if you think about it for a minute. Suppose there are four countries:

    Adanac: 12% tax rate, located in North America
    Ocixem: 30% tax rate, located in North America
    Asu: 40% tax rate, located in North America
    Tarcomed: 100% tax rate (you don't keep any money you make, the government takes it all), located in North America

    Which country would YOU most likely put YOUR corporate headquarters in? Is there any chance in hell you'd choose Tarcomed, where the government takes ALL the money as taxes, so you can't possibly make any money? Would YOU invest your 401k savings in a company that can only lose your money, it can't possibly make any money, because any and all profits go to taxes? Of course you wouldn't, unless you're brain dead. Nobody would risk their savings investing in a company that can only lose money.

    So we KNOW, it is obvious, that very high corporate tax rates mean nobody will invest their savings and you'll have no businesses in your country. They'd have to be insane to risk their savings if the government was going to take most or all of the profits as taxes. The only question is HOW MUCH do people reduce investment at each possible tax rate? We know 100% tax will mean no businesses, and therefore no economy, absolute ruin. That's obvious.

    It's also obvious that some companies will choose to pay the 12% net tax in Canada (or 30% in Mexico) rather than pay 39% by having their headquarters in the US. The only questions are HOW MUCH damage are we doing to the economy by having tax rates twice as high as most industrialized nations, and how high can we go before the economy is utterly and completely destroyed.

    1. Re: Nothing magical about the obvious by kenh · · Score: 1

      Selective memory.

      All this crap mattered when we had a Democrat in power, but it seems republicans continue to practice situational ethics, in that it only matters if it is a democrat in power.

      The last time the federal gov't shutdown, before the Democrats agreed to fund the government they had one stipulation - the elimination of 'debt ceiling limit' for a period of 18 months or so.

      Why would democrats insist on a blank check for an extended period if they are the ones concerned about fiscal responsibility?

      Democrats repeatedly argue for the elimination of the debt ceiling.

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    2. Re: Nothing magical about the obvious by kenh · · Score: 1

      The bottom 40% of tax filers pay no net taxes, instead they get refunds in excess of monies withheld.

      The top 40% pay 95% of all collected federal income taxes.

      The middle 20% collectively pay the remaining 5% of collected federal income taxes.

      Cutting taxes in any meaningful way will disproportionately benefit those that actually pay taxes, the top 40% of filers - it's unavoidable.

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  26. Re:Canada by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

    Go back in your hole, your "Freeman on the Land" schtick is tired and stupid. Every civilization since the dawn of time has exacted taxes.

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  27. Re:Hypocrite asshole... by x0ra · · Score: 1

    What a dumb fuck comment... The CRTC was created by Lester B. Pearson and Trudeau (father), two "liberals" in 67/68.

  28. Re:Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Your dad's cancer was never "free", it was paid for either by debt (ie. taxes on future generation) or theft from others hard earned wages.

    Or perhaps from a pool of money that Canadians happily pay into so that they don't have to worry about bankruptcy from health problems.

    Speaking as a well-employed Canadian whose taxes go into that pool (and whose family tax rate I imagine would be lower in the US) - this is why we'd never consider moving to the US. IMHO there's something seriously wrong with anyone who could use the word "theft" in this context, and any culture that enables that attitude is sick at a really fundamental level.

    Hope your dad made a full recovery.

  29. Re:The Bastard Child of Castro by Xenx · · Score: 2

    The issue is, you suppose there is a free market (or that there could be one) when it comes to ISPs in the US. The ISPs have government sanctioned monopolies, or duopolies. In any area where your only options are the major providers, you'll only be able to choose between bad and also bad.

  30. Canadian interference in the U.S. government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Funny (read: hypocritical) of the left to pump up the completely fabricated myth of Russia interfering in the U.S. election, but openly loves the Canadian government interfering in U.S. politics.

    1. Re:Canadian interference in the U.S. government by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      Seems to be myth enough to have a special counsel run an intensive investigation while Trump & Co are spending most of their time hiding evidence of their borderline criminal actions.

    2. Re:Canadian interference in the U.S. government by Insanity+Defense · · Score: 1

      Funny (read: hypocritical) of the left to pump up the completely fabricated myth of Russia interfering in the U.S. election, but openly loves the Canadian government interfering in U.S. politics.

      Yet the U.S. wants to interfere in Canadas internal business regulations in many fields. Copyright. Agriculture. Lumber. To name 3. Are you fine with that?

    3. Re: Canadian interference in the U.S. government by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      Just as the Trade agreements are being signed and do not include the USA, not because of intent,but because the USA under Trump wants the world to play by the US rules. The world will create their own internet system, redirecting traffic to not pass through the United States. The world can't follow the American rules regarding shaping of traffic. Simply put, what is good for one nation would become the rule for all nations. Inernational commerce, and so many other services (medical, educational, etc. are going to be impacted by the FCC's cow-towing to Trump.

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  31. Re:Canada by x0ra · · Score: 1

    ...and so far, all of them collapsed. what's your point ?

  32. Re:Dating advince by c6gunner · · Score: 1

    The guy ran a 22:37.4 for 5K while shaking hands and leaving a trail of women in near orgasm.

    You talking about Bruce Jenner?

  33. Re:Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Has nothing to do with the Federal Government. Health Care is exclusively Provincial jurisdiction.

    The federal government mandate is that a public sponsored health care system is implemented in all territories within the country of Canada. It was Tommy Douglas who helped to create this compromise someone who though loved by the Canadian public was very much feared by Dief the Cheif and his cronies. His legacy is at the core of Canadian health care act.

    The provinces are then funded accordingly and this funding system has been a huge bone of contention. What the Conservatives have tried to do for many years is Gerrymander the system to make it seem that the provinces, especially the ones who are not currently run by their associated provincial cronies are under spending on health care.

    Therefore the differences between provincial health coverage and especially infrastructure funding becomes more pronounced during the reign of conservative governments, who use federal funding distribution of health care dollars as a political tool to keep themselves in power. If Harper had had his way along with the muzzling of federally paid scientists would have come a complete abrogation and dismantling of the federal health act so that health care funding would have become a completely provincial responsibility. Publicly funded health care in Canada is a delicate balancing act and the federal mandate is simply to ensure that access to health care is provided to all Canadians.

    There are similarities in how the misuse of regulation of the internet could very easily become a similar monetary tool abused by the political party or individuals in power.

    Justin is most likely thinking about a similar act when it comes to access to information and services on the internet. If we start to see internet providers blocking access to portions of the internet and redirecting traffic accordingly, I am sure that there will be hell to pay in Canada.

    The Trumpification of information exchange American style by the FCC is something which will just increase the pipes to the rest of the world and will eventually hurt the sale of goods over the internet from the Canada to the US. This is exactly why Trudeau has been ramping up talks with other countries especially when it come to free trade.

  34. Boon for Canadian Hosting? by Minion+of+Eris · · Score: 1

    What's the chance that companies might move their hosting up north?

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  35. Cute by kenh · · Score: 1

    The leader of Canada, a nation with a population approaching that of California (36m Canadians vs 39m Californians) thinks that:

    US domestic policy regarding internet neutrality impacts the rest of the world

    As leader of a smallish nation believes he can somehow prevent 'the horror' of Trump administration rolling back net neutrality regulations.

    How does the ability of an ISP to charge a service provider a fee for premium data rates to their US customers/users/visitors impact on a Canadian consumer?

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    Ken
  36. Mostly agree. Facts are unfair on one point by raymorris · · Score: 1

    I mostly agree with everything you said. One major impediment to Trump's proposal was / is that some leading Republicans like Bob Corker said they will not support any plan that increases the deficit, and I agree with you that he's right to take a stand. Senators Jeff Flake and Todd Young also come to mind for opposing deficits this year. Of course there is also much disagreement about how much the deficit will be affected - lower *percentage* tax rates and simpler tax laws tend to stimulate the economy, increasing revenue to some degree.

    Investment tax (capital gains tax) rates are an interesting thing. There are three different factors at play to come up with the ideal rate. Most industrialized countries have looked at these three factors and calculated the ideal rates are far below the current US rates. We have some of the highest business taxes in the world, and we pay a price for it. Let's look at these three factors.

    Obviously, higher rates tend to increase short-term revenue. That probably doesn't require any explanation.

    The second is that higher rates decrease investment (savings), which has very negative effects on the economy. Consider two people you know makes you these offers:
    Loan Bob $1000 today and he'll pay you back $2000 next week (unless he breaks his promise).
    Loan Joe $1000 today and he'll pay you back $1001 next week (unless he breaks his promise).

    Bob's offer is more attractive. People will invest more with Bob's offer, which has higher returns. Investment is crucial - it's investment money that is used to build factories, fiber optic lines, and everything else you need for a successful country and a successful economy. Investment is also how the ordinary middle class gets rich slowly, so they can retire with their own money instead of being a burden on all the younger tax payers. High taxes on investment discourage investment, which is very bad for everyone. Discouraging investment is bad for the W-2 employee too - the company you hope will hire you won't be hiring anyone if there isn't investment money available to grow the business. This is a strong case for very low taxes on investment and most successful countries consider this much more strongly than the US does.

    Another factor is similar. If you're Joe, offering a very low return on investment due to high taxes, you won't just get a LOW rate of investment because people would rather keep their cash. Joe has been outbid by Bob, so the people who do invest will invest with Bob, not with Joe. Institutional investors and companies especially see the low investment taxes in other countries and send their money over their. So you have American companies investing their money in building new facilities in other countries, rather than having those facilities here. The COMPETITION for investment capital between countries is also a big deal. A LOT of money is invested overseas, high tech facilities built elsewhere, because the lower taxes there make other countries more attractive to investors and companies.

    When you do all the modeling you can figure out which tax rate brings in the most revenue. People argue about what the ideal rate is. A third of OECD member countries have figured 0% capital gains is the best rate. Investment is so important, to everyone in the country, that any capital gains tax at all is damaging, in their analysis. Another third of nations have a moderate marginal investment tax rate of 10% - 20%, figuring that a tax at that level brings in enough revenue to offset the economic costs (or just not thinking long term). The US has among the highest marginal rates in the developed world, at 28.6%. Not surprisingly, the US also has a savings rate well below the worldwide average - people don't save up a lot of money when saving means the government takes a huge chunk.of the money. Most countries agree that's damaging because it's too high, and they set their rates lower than the US does.

    So that's how the best tax rate on investment is figured - trying to raise revenue

  37. Re:Dating advince by Mordaximus · · Score: 1

    What you describe make it more "gay" than "masculine"...

    Slashdot is the last place I expected to see gay used as an antonym for masculine.

  38. Re:The Bastard Child of Castro by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

    Why is why we need municipal fiber networks...something that will solve a multitude of problems, but is fiercely opposed by the ultranationalistic conservatives and big business billionaire buffoons like Trump.

  39. Who cares what he thinks? by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    Allow me to paraphrase Ferris Bueller. "I'm not Canadian. I don't plan on being Canadian. So, who cares if they're socialists or not? They could be fascist anarchists for all I care. It still wouldn't change the fact that I don't own a car."

    This is the same feeling that pro-gun people have when anti-gun types bloviate about Canadian or Australian gun laws. They don't care what goes on in other countries. They really don't. Point being, that the supremely unqualified Trudeau can have net neutrality all he wants within his own borders. He simply doesn't understand how the internet works.

    I find it interesting that supporters of Sen. Elizabeth Warren cheered when she spouted off about companies using the roads that "the rest of US paid for" are also the same people who don't want companies to have to pay for their excessive use of bandwidth.