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Emotion Recognition Systems Could Be Used In Job Interviews (techtarget.com)
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Emotion recognition software identifies micro-expressions through video analysis. These are expressions that may be as fast as 1/25 of a second and invisible to the human eye, but a close analysis of video can detect them. These systems are being used in marketing research, but some employers may be interested in using them to assess job candidates.
Vendors claim these systems can be used to develop a personality profile and discover a good cultural fit. The technology raises concerns, illustrated earlier this year who showed that face-reading technology could use photographs to determine sexual orientation with a high degree of accuracy.
One company has already added face recognition into their iPad-based time clock, which the company's CEO thinks could be adapted to also detect an employee's mood when they're clocking out. Yet even he has his reservations. While he thinks it could provide more accurate feedback from employees, he also admits that "There's something very Big Brother about it."
Vendors claim these systems can be used to develop a personality profile and discover a good cultural fit. The technology raises concerns, illustrated earlier this year who showed that face-reading technology could use photographs to determine sexual orientation with a high degree of accuracy.
One company has already added face recognition into their iPad-based time clock, which the company's CEO thinks could be adapted to also detect an employee's mood when they're clocking out. Yet even he has his reservations. While he thinks it could provide more accurate feedback from employees, he also admits that "There's something very Big Brother about it."
A real use for those Botox injections.
People laugh when I'm so focused on retiring early and not keeping up with the Joneses. But at least I'll be getting out before this shit goes mainstream.
Lovely. As if job interviews aren't high pressure enough.
Fake it til you make it! Classic advice from a time before "expert" computerized lie detectors in the form of emotion recognition. Now its fake it until Big Brother is sufficiently advanced enough, and commodotized enough to see through you.
Darn near every example quoted could be argued as some time of hiring discrimination. "Good cultural fit"? Haha, might as well get your lawyers on speed dial.
MAYBE just MAYBE you could try to argue that it would allow you to detect a candidate who is full of it, but this idea overall sounds like a legal nightmare.
the world is a cold place and it is getting colder.
One thing psychopaths are great at, is simulating emotions. The rest of us get nervous and stumble under certain pressures. Not psychopaths. They will have an even greater advantage if such software is utilized for recruiting.
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If you tell me I am tormenting a turtle, I am likely to punch you in the face.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Interviewer: You are in a desert. You: Ok. Interviewer: Bill Gates is also there. He's torturing a little turtle. You: Ok. Interviewer: What do you do? You: I help Bill Gates torture the turtle. Interviewer: Welcome to Microsoft!
Why did the chicken cross the road? Because Elon Musk put an AI chip in its head.
The thing it will detect 99% of the time is people being nervous.
We are people not {expletive} work units. Employers need to address their own insecurity's and need to control everything!
I for one will be walking out of any such testing/interview. I recommend you all also take a stand and do the same.
"One company has already added face recognition into their iPad-based time clock, which the company's CEO thinks could be adapted to also detect an employee's mood when they're clocking out"
Shouldn't they be a bit more concerned about their mood while clocking in?
Oh, so close! The correct answer was "roll onto your back and let Bill torture you when he's ready"
Your employer (owner) should be able to do anything they want with their property.
Microsoft is big and benign.. No, it's the "move fast and break things" kinds of companies you'll have to watch out for. Like Uber
"There's something very Big Brother about it"...
Yeah, no shit. Seriously, people?
A better application: use this in MMOs to shape the current expression of your avatar. Another idea: use to auto-select emoji in messaging apps on request. Yet another application might be when doing in-house beta software testing. Testers are often recorded in an attempt to gauge reaction to the software they're using. Detecting emotion might be very helpful here, and in fact, less intrusive than the typical "keep talking about your thought process" approach. There's typically no expectation of privacy in these situations - gauging reactions is the entire point.
It's fine if people deliberately opt-in to this in a transparent manner. It's creepy as hell if you're doing it without their knowledge or consent. If a company was actually using this on me during a job interview, they'd immediately be placed on the "only if I'm in danger of starving to death" list.
Irony: Agile development has too much intertia to be abandoned now.
Is this testing whether I'm a replicant or a lesbian, Mr. Deckard?
"You're in a desert, walking along in the sand when all of a sudden you look down and see a tortoise. It's crawling toward you..."
Basically a way to gauge applicants without the biases of the interviewer and give everyone a fair chance regardless of anything. However I then remember how often I've seen them screw up something simple and straightforward like variations of the fizz-buzz test that I figure it's not damn likely they'll use this remotely correctly. (But hey, I'm cynical)
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Hire-Vue's schtick seems to be that their mysterious proprietary algorithm does magical "machine learning" analysis of your face and voice in the video answers it took, then it generates a magical "insight score" to tell the HR people whether or not you suck, along with how "confident" and "enthusiastic" and who knows how many other attributes Hire-Vue thinks it can detect (seems to also be special proprietary information, so I don't even really know what it was looking for.) I expect most people get marked down for not making "eye contact" with the webcam (rather than looking at the "person" - i.e. your own live video - on the screen like a normal human being.)
I will say that the process was more fun than I expected, but I'm not at all confident that Hire-Vue's robot won't sabotage my attempt to find gainful employment.
Also note that this format just coincidentally makes it easy to conveniently get an idea of whether you're "old", what your racial background and gender may be, etc., so if they are so inclined, HR can conveniently throw out your application if there's something there that they don't feel like talking to.
It's only been a week, so no idea yet how it went. Job-hunting these days is itself one of the worst jobs right now.
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Can they also recognize the middle finger?
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If they can build something as complicated as an emotion detector. It would be easy street to get rid of the brainless big boys.. Interviewers and accessors.. why not managers - maybe more :) Heck, why am I sad about this?? I want to see the TOP tier lose their jobs in a corporation! BYE BYE CEO's!! Here's your negative automation!! Your golden parachute turned to lead.. Happy landings!!
How come AI hasn't replaced politicians. Most of them don't even have one good thought in their head or think at all.. We could save billions!!
doesnt mean much, some of the people that grate my cheese are some of the best people in their jobs, most of the people that fit in well with everyone else are functionally useless
I mean its cool I can talk star trek over lunch, but I needed that dwg like 2 weeks ago and I just sent it to your dumb ass for the 3rd time cause its garbage
Candidate 1: Nervous
Candidate 2: Nervous
Candidate 3: Nervous
Candidate 4: Calm, but high
Table-ized A.I.
interviewer: I thought we established there would be no smoking during the interview. me: I'm not smoking, it's your stupid little emotion detection machine over there.
Seriously, make it easier to get people hired not harder.
Correction:
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What will happen to me if they discover I'm really a malfunctioning smart blender?! ;)
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
Emotions in the moment are inly relevant to that moment. They indicate nothing representative. Even if it were put into use, it wouldn't be very useful, and I doubt it would be used for long.
People tell me they know what I'm thinking all the time. Every time they actually tell me, they're wrong. Especially HR people. These are the same sort of people who will be training these systems, and letting a machine reinforce their beliefs.
To be honest, if interviews and jobs started using emotion recognition, I'd bow out or not complete the interview.
My own company just this year started requiring full physicals with blood work and nicotine tests. Failure to comply results in an insurance premium hike penalty for both.
I'd rather cut grass with the illegal immigrants than subject myself to something that violates my convictions.
I bet you can't write fizzbuzz worth a shit.
A regular camera is useless when they need thermal vision to read emotional feedback. You see the body tenses and prepares for subconscious scenarios so you read the thermal output and you can see what parts its post testing.
it used photos from a dating site, where gay men would be most likely to post photos that were clearly indicative of their orientation, as opposed to a neutral photo, like a driver's license photo
Unless the person is acting hostile and belligerent in the interview what is the purpose other than discrimination? Everyone has to learn how to cooperate, if you shelter your workforce they won't be able to handle it when real life happens.
If by "I can't write an answer" you mean one that has no syntax errors at all, with absolutely no bugs of any kind, that is the specific answer the interviewer was looking for, and in some arbitrary time frame which he or she has made up then guilty as charged. What you're supposed to do is give the test to a couple of co-workers that you know can code to see their results as a baseline. You know so you can see how often they make syntax errors and logic bugs and also how long it really takes someone to solve your particular issue. They have a word for this in science, it's called a control and you could compare an interviewee with a control sample. Of course if you actually use fizzbuzz correctly to just check to see if the person can code at all, IE can work toward an answer, understands what a function is, conditionals, for loops, etc then I'd pass that test.
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The point of a computerized system is scale. I.e., the bot would be monitoring your displayed emotion every second of the day.
Crazy? When you're distinguishing your commodity through affective labor (a Pret a Manger), it almost seems inevitable.
Why worry about Big Brother systems? Everyone we've talked to who has one says the system is great! Surely that many people can't all be wrong... or coerced...
One more way for me to filter out bad potential employers.
They banned IQ tests but are going to allow this?
Different people express emotions differently. That's why it's so hard to guess what someone is feeling.
For example, for some people, pausing before responding to a question means they don't know the answer, for others, it means that the person is carefully considering the nuances of a response.
In order to properly understand expressions, context is key. This is true of understanding spoken language as well. Computers are getting pretty good at understanding spoken language, but certainly not better than humans themselves. My guess is that this will be true of understanding emotions for some time.
All this leads me to believe that this is, at least in part, marketing hype.
Then they'll be ready to make those chairs from Brave New World which tell the user, his mood.
I'm no expert on this but I've heard some experts speak on the matter of finding good employees. There's two things that correlate well to success in employment, intelligence and personality.
There's all kinds of tests for intelligence, many of them inexpensive. ACT Inc. offers such a test. They offer a college entrance exam, for which they are known, but they also offer their WorkKeys exam for testing basic work skills. This isn't an endorsement of the test, only that it's one example I've heard of. A quick Google search tells me it's about $20 to take, assuming you don't live in a state where it's paid for by the government. I assume other such testing exists.
Personality testing is a bit more difficult but intelligence does correlate somewhat to being well behaved, so an intelligence test may still be sufficient. Most employers already test for severe cases of anti-social behavior with a check for a criminal record. Other indicators of anti-social behavior is a bad credit score or dropping out of high school. Having a college degree used to be a fair assessment of intelligence but grade inflation, lowered entrance requirements, and just plain bullshit degree programs, can mean completing college, or not getting in to college in the first place, means little. Good grades can be an indication of a good work ethic, but it can also mean sleeping with the instructors or having threatened them with violence if given poor marks.
The article explained on how emotional testing is possible but, at least from what I could tell, they didn't really explain the value. It might be a kind of lie detector but I'd think that there are more reliable ways to test for that. Emotional state is also quite fleeting but intelligence and personality are fairly stable. Catching a person in a good or bad mood that day could only prove the person to be borderline bipolar. It read more like a sales pitch than anything, and I'm not sold.
A better use for my TENS unit. It ain't getting rid of the beer gut or hemorrhoids. I'm going to stick the pads to either side of my face and have it going during the interview. Could be interesting. I should probably use new pads too.
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Thanks to automation, we already have enough wealth to give everyone a comfy life. It just all goes to exactly those few, who do not work one bit, except to avoid working and to make others work: Fatcats/managers / the new old nobility of today.
I reseached how this started: Nobility took all their families' money, used that to lend all the money of their rich pals, and used all of that, to lend >10 times more than that from the banks (which themselves metely made it up).
That is what they used to make others build "their" first factories with, and make others work to make money for *them*. And it kept being the same old boys club it has ever been, since the days of kings and queens.
Nobody would have a problem with automation, if he would not need a job to survive, and the wealth that that automation creates would go to them.
Which it should, given that they were the ones doing all the actual work.
Also, obciously, nobody would be stopped from still working (e.g. a real profession), to offer something that is not automated or on principle not something one would want a robot to do. For vastly better pay too.
We need to start a Kickstarter, and make our own automated supply chains! Let's start with food prodiction and robotics!
They can be replaced by a very short shell script.
I know, because that is what I literally did in my former company. (Not mine. I just handled the business automation.)
Now yes, we already had a good planning and scheduling tool, and a good culture of employees being nearly like independent contractors (but with all the securities and benefits), but still.
It was in Germany, of all places, in case you wonder.
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A: Is this the test now?
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A: What's that?
Q: Know what a LOGO turtle is?
A: I've never seen a turtle -- But I understand what you mean.
Q: Same thing.
A: Do you make up these questions, Mr. Holden, or do they write them down for you?
Q: You're watching some source code scroll by. Suddenly you realize there's a bug...
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This would almost certainly discriminate against protected groups - e.g. people with learning disabilities such as Aspergers.
Is this the one about tortoises?
Having an automated scanner for the troubling and generally discrimination producing cultural fit will no doubt be abused by companies which think it will insulate them, while still getting the bro culture they desire.
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if the tests prove you are NOT a replicant, you are killed.only robotic workers are wanted, as they dont display free will or any time wasting idiosyncrasies.
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