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Kaspersky Lab Sues Trump Administration Over Software Ban (reuters.com)
Moscow-based anti-virus company Kaspersky Lab sued the Trump administration in U.S. federal court on Monday, arguing that the American government has deprived it of due process rights by banning its software from U.S. government agencies. From a report: The lawsuit is the latest effort by Kaspersky Lab to push back on allegations that the company is vulnerable to Kremlin influence. The Department of Homeland Security in September issued a directive to U.S. civilian agencies ordering them to remove Kaspersky Lab from their computer networks within 90 days. The order came amid mounting concern among U.S. officials that the software could enable Russian espionage and threaten national security. The ban was codified last week when President Donald Trump signed legislation banning Kasperky Lab from use across civilian and military agencies.
Trump is still blocking the US government from protecting our country from the Russian government's ongoing attack.
This is like ordering your soldiers to lay down their arms as the adversary advances towards you firing.
Except this isn't some far flung battle field. Russia is attacking our homeland as Trump orders us to lay down our defenses.
This is treason
I'm certainly not in the category of people screaming "muh Russian hackers" until they're blue in the face, but this lawsuit is dumb. Only Americans have rights to anything, due process included. Moreover, having ANY foreign hardware or software on a government network is beyond dumb. Other nations aren't our friends, even when they are allies.
But Trump works for Putin. why would Putin sue him?!
Just like Canada at the WTO, but what does it matter 5 years later after they've cost you millions?
The US are poor econonic partners, as bad as China. I keep my money far from both.
Trump is only preventing Federal agencies from using Kaspersky Lab's offerings, he's not keeping them from selling to other US customers. You can still buy their products in the USA. I realize that this Federal ban does cut into their market share, but how will suing fix this?
How do they have a lawsuit? Can I now sue the Federal Government if they refuse to use *my* software product?
You cannot sue city hall, Kaspersky Lab's needs to file that suit in the circular file marked "trash" because it's going to be dumped by the courts eventually and turn into a waste of good money.
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I'm not one to defend what the current administration/congress does but banning the use of software on government and government contractors' computers that is suspected to be under the control of a foreign government seems well within the scope of the law.
Frankly, if they banned Microsoft's shoddy products then you wouldn't need to bother with Kaspersky.
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Nearly every comment on Slashdot lately is off-topic spam. The model of the past two decades isn't working. Something needs to change.
What the F are they smoking?
There is no right to have people buy your products...
I wonder how many Russian government PCs are running Symantec or McAfee...
I don't run any anti-virus software on any of my computers (Mac, Linux, Chromebook).
Why would I want to use this Kaspersky software? Does it run on any of my computers? Do I need to buy a new computer?
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
place? Sheesh, let's see, our government uses closed source SECURITY software from a company located in a (hostile?) foreign country and everyone in the US doesn't automatically think it's a Bad Idea?
And yes I know there's a lot of software made outside of the US by non-US companies that are likely used in the US gov't, but security, especially closed-source, software should not be one of those.
Kaspersky anti-virus or Intel AMT?
No you idiot, she did not. She, like all of the other cabinet members, approved the sale of a Canadian company who owned uranium mining rights in the US to a Russian one. No Uranium actually left US soil... Hillary Clinton did not go dig it up and mail it to Russia and get a big fat check.
IIRC, they just removed Kaspersky from the list of potential suppliers. That is, they actively forbid any future government contracts to Kaspersky, but that didn't mean Kaspersky had ever gotten any before.
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She, like all of the other cabinet members, approved the sale of a Canadian company
Actually, she wasn't even involved with the process as related by the person on the committee:
The Clinton campaign told the Times that generally these matters did not reach the secretary's level, so she may not have been involved at all. According to the Times, Jose Fernandez, a former assistant secretary of state, represented the department on the committee. He told the Times: "Mrs. Clinton never intervened with me on any C.F.I.U.S. matter."
But let's not let facts get in the way of a good rant by the con artist team.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
I didn't know the US is a hostile foreign country to the US. The things one learn...
Considering that both Google and Microsoft have effectively reallocated their IP outside the US, I guess the US should ban using them too for all the security features they incorporate into your software.
They should have red-white-and-blue Linux. And then immediately run everything in WINE. Or just unofficially by Windows since so much software that's used is closed source. Oh, and a lot of it still requires admin access to work which inherently subverts most security software.
Seriously, your suggestion is unworkable. At least a ban on Kaspersky based on evidence of a breach would make sense. As it stands, I'm not sure we even have that.
Please elaborate. I fail to see the relevancy to my post. Do you think Kaspersky is a US company?
By "effective" you mean "Not true at all but let's act like it is and then make derivative outrageous indignation conclusions." Got it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft
"American multinational technology company with headquarters in Redmond, Washington"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaspersky_Lab
"a multinational cybersecurity and anti-virus provider headquartered in Moscow, Russia[1] and operated by a holding company in the United Kingdom"
And no, I choose not to take you seriously.
everyone in the US doesn't automatically think it's a Bad Idea?
B-but DRUMPF!!!!
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Lol coward is correct. Please never change they way you are, it's easier for us to identify and avoid your kind.
I don't care enough to jump through hoops to get a password reset on my account. AC is fine for me on this dying clickbait-driven site...
Given the Russian proclivity to cyber spying and penetration of critical infrastructure, I am absolutely fine with the ban of Kaspersky software on US Government systems. I should add that I am also completely fine with the ban on Lenovo products in US Government agencies when it is almost commonly known that the Chinese government engages in cyber warfare as well.
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Eat a dick, Chekist pig. You're lucky if you're ever allowed to set foot on Western soil again.
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Been a reader on this site since the beginning and it don't seem to be going anywhere. In fact, appears to me they've improved things in the past couple of years, especially with content.
Most entertaining are the occasional random crazy trolls who choose to waste their time on sites they despise.
Actually, she wasn't even involved with the process as related by the person on the committee:
A) The Clintons and Soros control that fact check website you linked, you literally cited propaganda.
B) The Clintons received over 100m in their personal accounts for that sale, but sure, it was "unrelated."
C) You're a shill.
Really? eat shit
So you agree then that MS is commit tax fraud? Because you can't have it both ways. Either they're a US company and must abide by US tax law which clearly spells out that tax rates apply to their income or they're some sort of magical multi-national organization which allows them to violate US tax laws while we simultaneously claim they're not in the US when it pleases us for enforcement purposes.
Great. Nor does the US government take itself seriously. Which probably means this ban is effectively futile.
wth are you talking about? Go home commie, we don't want your software
Actually, she wasn't even involved with the process as related by the person on the committee:
A) The Clintons and Soros control that fact check website you linked, you literally cited propaganda.
B) The Clintons received over 100m in their personal accounts for that sale, but sure, it was "unrelated."
C) You're a shill.
What the fuck are you smoking and how the hell did you get that the Clintons and Soros control factcheck.org? They have nothing to do with that website. You really should stop getting your news from Facebook or opinion sites that spread false information.
place? Sheesh, let's see, our government uses closed source SECURITY software from a company located in a (hostile?) foreign country and everyone in the US doesn't automatically think it's a Bad Idea?
I agree with you, but let's not get distracted from the real issue here. First of all, any organization is free to audit the Kaspersky software. This was even true before this incident.
The real issue here is that an idiot NSA developer took his work home with him and put it on his personal laptop.
According to Kaspersky, its security package running on the PC detected Pho's copies of the NSA exploits as new malicious software, and uploaded the powerful spyware to its cloud for further analysis by its researchers.
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Kaspersky Lab has denied any wrongdoing in the matter or illicit ties to Russian intelligence. The security vendor also pointed out Pho's machine was infected with loads of malware, meaning any miscreant could have stolen Uncle Sam's cyber-weapons.
source
In other words, the NSA seems incapable of keeping its top secret information secret. That employee should never have been able to download source code from the NSA.
He was a developer, not a system administrator. There is a reason you keep people's functions separated. It's because each position has its own set of incentives. As a developer, your job security depends on finishing projects. But as a sysadmin, your job security is based on securing the systems developers use.
Furthermore, if the NSA can't keep its own most important information secure, there is no way in hell that any other organization or government agency will be able to do the same with a large database of manufacturers' backdoors.
They should - as soon as the story broke - have moved their servers outside Russia and the reach of Putin, just to eliminate any possibility of interference. They didn't do that, which could be interpreted as unwillingness or similar, possibly due to legal pressure within Russia, keeping the rumor of (forced?) surveillance intact.
"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) --
and replace russia with the US, kapersky with other major vendor, and add that they were known to have been asked at some point to not detect NSA malware, and now you get why the world should distrust *ALL* hardware, cloud plateform and software coming from the US. How does the quid pro quo feel ?
I wonder if Kaspersky AV is one of the few products that detect NSA toolsets. I was at a kaspersky event over a decade ago and there were questions asked that he responded to by saying: "I can't talk about that." So yea, it could be the potential for collusion with the Russian Government, but it could also be the lack of cooperation with the US Government, specifically in terms of detecting NSA toolsets. I don't know how this would work out in terms of details; it's just an idea.
Kaspersky sued the DHS, not the Executive Branch of government.
McCarthyism all over again!
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