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Amazon Music Ending Cloud MP3 Storage, Streaming Option (billboard.com)

Amazon is planning to retire its Music storage subscription service, the plan that enabled Amazon customers to upload their own music to the company's servers. From a report: Amazon Music Storage subscription plans, which let users upload music from their Mac or PC and stream them alongside the in-app on-demand and radio options, will be accepted until Jan. 15, 2018. Then, the service will run until January 2019, when it will be removed entirely. As of Monday this week, free plans -- which allow for 250 songs to be stored in the cloud -- are no longer able to upload new music to their MP3 locker.

107 comments

  1. Why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why is Cloud based servers so bad for people..... This is the reason why. The shut up shop quickly

    1. Re:Why by houstonbofh · · Score: 0

      Next week they will convert all the songs to RealPlayer format. And if you don't like it, too bad! It ain't your server! Hahahahaha

    2. Re:Why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can and usually do shut down quickly, though oddly Amazon is allowing a year before the files are removed and the service is completely shut down.

    3. Re:Why by rwven · · Score: 1

      The real culprit here is that actually FINDING it on amazon was a challenge, and their interface sucked. Amazon seems to be very much a "jack of all trades" company that does an "OK" job of a lot of things, but not enough to stand out and make them a "master" in a lot of fields.

      Online retail is their bread and butter. Most of the other stuff they do is not as good as its competition.

    4. Re:Why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. This is why I have my entire music library safely stored on my computer and on my MP3 player. No internet connection needed, no network dropouts, no quality loss from transcoding and no bullshit like Amazon pulling the plug like this.

  2. Great Job by omnichad · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wait until everyone buys their Echo for Christmas - and then tell them they can't use it with their music post-purchase. I think that's called bait and switch.

    Then you can sell them on your music subscription.

    1. Re:Great Job by Albanach · · Score: 2

      Then you can sell them on your music subscription.

      Even for those with a substantial music collection, subscriptions are likely to offer value just because of their breadth.

      The problem as I see it is that while the big subscription offerings truly are enormous in the size of their catalog, they are by no means complete. If you own a CD that's not in their catalog, you are going to be prevented from easily listening to it on an echo. I think that's a big mistake.

    2. Re:Great Job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I concur, doctor.

    3. Re:Great Job by quarrel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is how I feel.. Have just bought two echos, uploaded 30G of mp3s to Amazon, and now this?

      Damn.

      If nothing else, I have a heap of albums I can't get even with a subscription, that I now just can't play.

      90 day return on the echo though I think, although then I've blown the money on the 1yr storage with Amazon anyway.. fuckers.

    4. Re:Great Job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being able to play my own music would have been the only reason to buy an echo. I guess if the product description doesn't say anything tangible, then they can fuck with whatever they want after you buy it.

      "Just ask for a song, artist, or genre from Amazon Music, Spotify, Pandora, and more. With multi-room music, you can play music on compatible Echo devices in different rooms. Echo can also play audiobooks, radio stations, news briefs, and more." -- I would think the big list of audio sources "and more" bit implies that it can be customized to play my own music. Go figure.

      Also love this bit: "Alexa is always getting smarter and adding new features and skills." -- The public api is so crappy apparently they can't even use the public skills API for simple built-in skills like telling you the time. All of the built in features use some private APIs. So have fun coding new skills.

    5. Re:Great Job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually their subscription service is shit and only covers the sort of crap you might hear on the radio. They don't have most of the music I listen to and I don't fancy having to pay over and over again when I can buy stuff I like once and listen to it as many times as I want.

  3. Data Stroage by eriklou · · Score: 5, Funny

    Backup your data to the cloud they said, all your data will be safe they said... /deleted

    1. Re:Data Stroage by olsmeister · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you like your data, you can keep your data...

    2. Re:Data Stroage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...on a micro sd card. How many terabytes of music didja have in the cloud, anyways?

    3. Re:Data Stroage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am the greatest service for the little guy, the best, the very best. you will be rich in music if you just upload to me.

    4. Re:Data Stroage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like RAID, I keep telling people, it's not for backup, it's for redundancy. If the only copy of your data is in a location you don't control - you might as well not have that copy at all.

  4. What are good replacement options? by 31415926535897 · · Score: 1

    I absolutely loved this service. I'd upload my mp3s and get to play from the same library no matter what device I happened to be using. It really simplified library management.

    Is there anything else out there like it? I'm a little tempted to just go with Plex and run it myself, but I always worry that my hardware will fail or my home internet connection will go down.

    1. Re:What are good replacement options? by blahbooboo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, Google offers the exact same service.

    2. Re:What are good replacement options? by omnichad · · Score: 2

      You could technically run Plex on a VPS, but you would be better served with something like MPD for music only.

    3. Re:What are good replacement options? by Voyager529 · · Score: 2

      Use Plex with a Synology or QNAP unit; it's probably your best bet and you can RAID1 your drives to mitigate the possibility of data loss.

      If your home internet goes down regularly, that's a different conversation. If that level of reliability is your concern, you can probably do what you need with a VPS or EC2 instance and host it in the cloud, though you'll be paying monthly for the privilege.

      Personally, I'd definitely implore you to take it into your own hands. Amazon was far from the first company to attempt to do this, but if even Amazon can't make it run profitably, alternatives are likely to suffer the same fate as time progresses.

    4. Re:What are good replacement options? by Diss+Champ · · Score: 4, Informative

      I have my music uploaded to Google Play, has worked well for me.

      I also have a NAS at my house with everything on it, which both lets me stream at home without using bandwidth getting it from the cloud. It also means if Google pulls an Amazon here, I still have everything backed up (both on the NAS and my backups of the NAS).

    5. Re: What are good replacement options? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For how long. Google is even more notorious for killing these things off. Cloud is a stupid place for personal data. All they do is mine it for information about you and move on. Donâ(TM)t be so stupid people.

    6. Re:What are good replacement options? by DogDude · · Score: 1

      Use your phone.

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    7. Re: What are good replacement options? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plex runs on aws as a turnkey service, so sorta the same
      They originally planned an Alexa skill
      But that competed with this service amazon used to offer
      It mysteriously died and the aws service appeared from nowhere
      Now thereâ(TM)s no way to play your own music on an echo on a count of amazon being dickholes

    8. Re:What are good replacement options? by phayes · · Score: 4, Informative

      iTunes Match is still around and if the songs are recognized (about 2/3rds) adds the benefit of upgrading those old 128kbit MP3s to 256kbit AACs by erasing the original copy and then downloading the "matched" copy.

      iTunes exists on all major platforms but iTunes is far from the best music player...

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    9. Re:What are good replacement options? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      Yes, Google offers the exact same service.

      For now ...

      With Google your best bet is to hope that they forgot about the existence of a service, and will thus let it keep running by default.

    10. Re:What are good replacement options? by ctilsie242 · · Score: 2

      Google has similar, but their app is a lot clunkier trying to upload a music library compared to Amazon's.

      This is a service that I really liked and actively used. The ability to have one repository for music on one computer, then download and have it on any device, Android or iOS, Windows, or Mac, was quite nice.

      Guess I get to choose between Google or Plex now.

    11. Re:What are good replacement options? by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      No they dont. The truth is Google looks at your uploads, and then serves you what it THINKS the file is. It does not playback your bits, it plays back what it thinks is your bits. I had a problem with a song that is part of a soundtrack. It has an intro with some clips from the film and then the song kicks off. Apparently there is another version of the song, and that is what google serves me, not the bits i gave them.

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    12. Re:What are good replacement options? by hondo77 · · Score: 2

      I've been using iTunes Match for the past few years and have been satisfied. It does what you want it to do. I'm running Apple hardware (iMac, MacBook, iPhone) so I don't know how well it works on other platforms.

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    13. Re:What are good replacement options? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      I believe most of Google's services have been "integrated" with Google Drive at this point anyway (integrated meaning "You now have one pool of storage you share between all these services, mail, music, docs, pictures, videos, etc") so there's very little incentive for Google to drop it, and quite an easy workaround if they do (just, you know, copy everything to the main part of the Google Drive.)

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    14. Re:What are good replacement options? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much data can Google Play handle? ie: how big of a collection could one upload?

    15. Re:What are good replacement options? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      The discussion is about replacement options. Amazon does that too (which is why they switched a few years ago from storage measured in megabytes to one in absolute number of songs.) Plus, if you really want bit-for-bit compatibility, you can always move your music to Google Drive without penalty (they both use the same storage quota.)

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    16. Re:What are good replacement options? by Diss+Champ · · Score: 1

      Quoting from a Google web page:

      Google Play Music song storage limits

      You can add up to 50,000 songs to Google Play Music from your personal music collection using Google Play Music for Chrome or Music Manager (up to 300MB per song). Once you've added your music, you can listen to it through the Google Play Music app and on your computer.

    17. Re:What are good replacement options? by metamatic · · Score: 1

      Google Play Music is not integrated with Google Drive.

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    18. Re: What are good replacement options? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, Apple has iTunes Match. It isn't free ($25 per year) but they won't be snooping through your stuff like Google. Why anyone would impart their personal anything to Google is a head scratcher, and they axe projects and services every five minutes, I wouldn't trust them with anything critical.

    19. Re:What are good replacement options? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about a free AWS account server to host things?

    20. Re:What are good replacement options? by acroyear · · Score: 1

      home-hosting your own cloud server. some options:

      plex
      subsonic
      emby
      even the somewhat old music player daemon

      there are others. some are totally free but low support of apps and platforms. others cost for app support. I personally use plex and subsonic, and have written the FireOS (tv/stick) app for subsonic.

      most rely on the fact that external USB hard drives are cheap these days. which they are. a $100 2-T drive from Costco can hold pretty much any mp3 collection (gets stickier if you're a flac fan), and between that and a low per-year cost, YOUR music is always YOUR'S to play or share with friends and family.

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      -- Joe
    21. Re:What are good replacement options? by acroyear · · Score: 1

      not a good option if you have a lot of live and alternate versions of songs. Some bands release a lot of legal soundboard recordings (King Crimson, Marillion) and a matching service simply doesn't react well when those songs are uploaded.

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      "But remember, most lynch mobs aren't this nice." (H.Simpson)
      -- Joe
    22. Re:What are good replacement options? by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      While Plex supports both audio and video, you can't cache media locally on devices with Plex without paying $5/mo for a Plex Pass so your concerns about our remote connection will come into play more. If this is more for music you can use Subsonic or Airsonic instead and spend much less/nothing to have local caching and a greater choice in playback apps.

    23. Re: What are good replacement options? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet they don't have the buckethead pikes ;)

    24. Re:What are good replacement options? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iTunes exists on all major platforms

      And by all major platforms you mean IOS devices, Mac and Windows right? Or does your world end at Android, Chromebook and Linux?

    25. Re:What are good replacement options? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah that's a great benefit when my particular version gets wiped and they download some asstastic version. you know they change the songs basically every few years right?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war#/media/File:Michael_Jackson-Black_or_White_Loudness.png

    26. Re:What are good replacement options? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Expect it to go away now that the competition is gone.

    27. Re:What are good replacement options? by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      You need to report that as a content mismatch. That usually forces Google Play Music to actually use your version, not the server-matched version.

      I say "usually" with a hefty dose of skepticism, as Google seem to be very slow to respond to error reports on Google Play Music.

      In contrast, Spotify responds within hours and fixes content errors within a week or so, even going to the effort of asking for more information if they need to clarify something with you first.

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    28. Re: What are good replacement options? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wd cloud. Oddly enough that means tou host that yourself.

    29. Re:What are good replacement options? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ironically, this is one thing that Microsoft has - their Groove software is integrated with OneDrive.

      However, they're shutting down the actual purchase of music at the end of the year. Groove then becomes nothing more than Windows Media Player Version Two. (Not a bad tool as a simple music player..)

    30. Re:What are good replacement options? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yet

    31. Re:What are good replacement options? by slaker · · Score: 1

      ... except that Plex is also specifically terrible for some kinds of music. Even when I tell it to use my tags over those from online sources, Plex doesn't make use of the Composer, Soloist, Ensemble or Conductor tags at all. With Amazon, Google or Apple, at least I know that whatever garbage metadata it has is consistent with titles in their storefront, but with Plex, maybe their scraper did the right thing (i.e. use my tags, which are correct) and maybe it didn't and I can't even tell.

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    32. Re:What are good replacement options? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are other services that will store your music for you.

      https://devnull-as-a-service.com/

      I also hear the Amazon Echo supports music streaming from this service for free, and that says something when Amazon doesn't even support YouTube.

    33. Re:What are good replacement options? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow that's insane. I thought they checked by hash, not "ok it looks close enough." Glad I still kept a copy of all of my original flac files on disk before uploading it all to Google Music.

      Seriously everything about cloud services and mobile apps these days seems to be about "good enough". Nobody cares about the individual because it's not profitable when you can spend 1/10 of the resources to care about 95% of any use case and screw the last 5%.

    34. Re:What are good replacement options? by phayes · · Score: 1

      Unmatched songs are uploaded to iCloud as-is, Amazon MP3 locker didn't perform _any_ way to upgrade your old songs to higher versions, nor did you propose a service that does so better than iTunes Match.

      What"s your point?

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    35. Re: What are good replacement options? by phayes · · Score: 1

      Then you get the version you uploaded, same as the Amazon service. Upgrading poorly ripped 128kbit MP3s to clean 256kbit AAC isn't part of the service, it's a side effect of Apple optimizing the amount data they need to store everyone's music on iTunes Match. It's a nice freebie for those with lots of old poorly ripped music but is not guaranteed to work, even with lossless rips.

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    36. Re:What are good replacement options? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      iTunes is far from the best music player

      In the same way that Windows ME is far from the best OS I've ever had to use.

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    37. Re:What are good replacement options? by phayes · · Score: 1

      That was my attempt at British humour through understatement...

      It's on desktops that iTunes is pitiful though. On mobile devices it's just poor.

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    38. Re: What are good replacement options? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am also looking for a replacement. But it needs to integrate with the Echo as my kids what to listen to their music. Worked fine with the Amazon storage, but they are to young to pull out their smartphone as they don't have one...

      So a replacement that works with the Echo is needed. Local server or cloud service is not too important for me in this case.

  5. Exactly why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't and never will use cloud-based services.

    1. Re:Exactly why by jbgroup1 · · Score: 1

      Your on the internet using slashdot...a cloud-based service serving webpages.

    2. Re:Exactly why by acroyear · · Score: 1

      and with no stake of 'ownership' of the material posted here or commented here. There's a difference when one has a personal feeling of 'ownership' of the material, in this case, the files uploaded that are totally legal possessions from their original sources (cd, purchases, whatever), and a need to access those files again later.

      Nobody really goes back to /. with the intention of going "hey, i want that post I made on June 13th, 2006".

      apples-oranges.

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    3. Re:Exactly why by jbgroup1 · · Score: 1

      I was merely pointing out the irony of the person to whom I was replying using a "cloud-based" service while dismissing out of hand the possibility of using one.

    4. Re:Exactly why by zlives · · Score: 1

      context of the comment was clear. just because you choose to ignore it doesn't make your comment salient.

  6. another 'unlimited' service.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    gets shut down.

    amazon must be hurting if the fringe mp3 'cloud' users here that actually took advantage of 'unlimited' are affecting their margins enough for them to shut it down.

    if you use amazon for picture storage or backups, i'd start backing that shit up **NOW**

    captcha: concern

    1. Re:another 'unlimited' service.. by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      if you use amazon for picture storage or backups, i'd start backing that shit up **NOW**

      The whole point of using a cloud service for backups is that it's just an offsite backup You obviously don't have to make another backup of it. Rather, you can just switch backup providers at any time. Automatic offsite backup is one of the clouds true killer apps, I think. The real danger is if people are foolish enough to store their one and only copy of important documents in a cloud service.

      Anyhow, I don't think there's a danger of Amazon S3 or Glacier going away anytime soon. That would be a pretty massive industry bombshell if it ever happened.

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  7. I knew it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Google did it. Amazon is doing it.

    From the start I viewed this as a way to get pirates used to streaming services. Now, old pirates that uploaded their music and streamed are faced with a choice to either go back to your old ways are stick with streaming services. Of course they want the latter because they hope that you've somehow changed in this period of streaming music.

    But have you?

  8. I wonder how many mp3 files are sitting in S3? by dcavanaugh · · Score: 1

    A clever person could build an mp3 tool to discover, categorize, and play such content.

  9. Re:MP3 was so long ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So when you were 33 years old you just happened to have Patsy Cline CDs lying around? And your supervisor just happened to have a system loud enough for an entire department to hear it? And the entire department fitted in that room?

  10. First one is always free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In effect.

    Still have google, for now. And for those that say "just setup xyz at your house", not everyone has the bandwidth, and some companies ban residential IPs so no using it via wifi. Also many out there would not have a clue how to do it. Sure, its a solution, but not for everyone.

  11. What was the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Call me a luddite, but why would you want to upload your mp3s to a cloud service? They're not exactly hefty files, and storage is cheap as it's ever been, plus there's software that makes managing libraries pretty easy. Putting them in the cloud seems like a good way to end up sans music when:

    1. You find yourself in a place with bad reception
    2. The service shuts down or undergoes maintenance

    Strikes me as a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Then again, I'd also venture that the decision to shut down the service was influence by the MAFIAA foaming at the mouth over potential piracy, so hats off to Amazon for providing a service that pisses them off.

    1. Re: What was the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because echo is fucking awesome for listening to music, however there are a few albums I have that arenâ(TM)t on amazon unlimited (or any other music service). So obviously busting out my phone and loading Plex and choosing the album isnâ(TM)t difficult, but itâ(TM)s easier and faster just to ask Alexa to do it.

    2. Re:What was the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It made combining their streaming library with your own pre-existing collection possible. Being able to make playlists that have both was very useful. Apparently Google still has this service, which I will look into.

      I actually am questioning continuing my Prime membership over this - the part I used the most was the 250 cloud songs and Prime music streaming, because of this combine ability. For the other prime goodies, maybe 3 orders a year I actually care if it arrives in 2 days, and I've watched most of the TV series I had any interest in.

      If Google can snap up people who used this feature, they've also tipped the scales on the Alexa vs Google Assistant front.

    3. Re:What was the point? by Wdomburg · · Score: 2

      Because it's nice to be able to access your collection from your car, work machine, phone, and other connected devices?

      I would never put my content *only* in the cloud, but a copy? Why not?

    4. Re:What was the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my case, I have all the music I've purchased over the years on my machine at home, but I spend at least 8 hours a day at home. Also, commuting time.

      A cloud service is great so I can listen to the music I've purchased at work (without downloading files on machines I don't own), on my phone and elsewhere. Amazon had a very convenient app that didn't get in the way of playing your music and trying to upsell you all the time. At home, I can play the music with my Echo, which is a nice touch too.

      I still have all of my music on my machine at home, but this will mean I need to find a new way to listen to it elsewhere.

      And yes, I've used other cloud/streaming services. Amazon's was the easiest to use and the least "in-your-face" about it.

    5. Re: What was the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a phone with a 128G micro sd card. Every album I've ever bought since 1980 something is on spinning rust at home, stored in FLAC, and accessible to all of devices on my home network. All of that music is converted and synced to ~128k .ogg on my phone whenever I choose, along with all album art and metadata and various and sundry playlists. With thousands of tracks I'm really nowhere close to filling that card. Bluetooth plus phone has all those bases covered, and I can interact with that content via Alexa or googles voice assistant, regardless if I'm driving or on my motorcycle, or in my living room or at work.

      Why would I want to be limited by some stupid third party, cellular network, etc?

    6. Re: What was the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An echo is always attached to your stereo.

      An echo (with a music service) gives you access to new music or music your friends like or music you otherwise weren't aware of.

      128k encoding is shitty, who does that since like 2002?

      MP3 collections are great, streaming services are just better.

    7. Re: What was the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My phone is always attached to me. If I'm in proximity of my stereo there's a very good chance so is all of my music. My stereo also connects to my media / DLNA server in case not, but I don't care for that interface, and Bluetooth connects automatically anyway.

      While I have pretty decent speakers in my car, I can't tell the difference between 128k oggs and CDs except on my reference monitors, so any more is just overkill, especially given road noise and Bluetooth's compression which isn't all that great. At any rate it's better than HD radio and that's good enough for me.

      If you can legitimately tell the difference better than 50% of
      the time, I'd give you a cookie.

    8. Re: What was the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Echo has Plex integration if you have a Plex Pass..... Alexa, Ask Plex to play......

    9. Re:What was the point? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Call me a luddite, but why would you want to upload your mp3s to a cloud service? They're not exactly hefty files, and storage is cheap as it's ever been, plus there's software that makes managing libraries pretty easy. Putting them in the cloud seems like a good way to end up sans music when:

      1. You find yourself in a place with bad reception 2. The service shuts down or undergoes maintenance

      Strikes me as a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Then again, I'd also venture that the decision to shut down the service was influence by the MAFIAA foaming at the mouth over potential piracy, so hats off to Amazon for providing a service that pisses them off.

      Clearly it is more convenient for a lot of people. I don't suppose Amazon forced them at gunpoint to upload their mp3s to their cloud service.

      It is amusing how on slashdot "I don't do X therefore no one else could possibly have a reason to do X" is used as an argument.

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  12. Re:MP3 was so long ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fitted?

  13. Re:MP3 was so long ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh shit, you're right, this is creimer we're talking about: fatted .

    Better?

  14. This is why i don't trust the cloud by um...+Lucas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Amazon, Google, etc. They all launch a service, get people to use it, but not enough people, and then pull the plug.

    I have Apple Cloud, whatever its called, for music storage, myself. And it's great, I can stream or pull down my music anywhere I go. But I still need to keep it on my computer (don't save any space), out of fear that they might pull the plug one day. Or just have a server crash.

    These companies shouldn't just arbitrarily end services like these. If they have a lot of users, at least put the service up for bids from other developers or companies to take it over.

    1. Re:This is why i don't trust the cloud by leonbev · · Score: 1

      I doubt that Amazon AWS S3 storage is going anywhere, since millions of people and businesses pay a lot of money to have that data hosted for them.

      If you're relying on a free service to store your files for you, though, you're probably doing it wrong. I'd imagine that my "unlimited" free Google Photos storage account is going away at some point, for example, so I have my photos backed up on iCloud AND Microsoft OneDrive as well.

      The good ol "3,2,1" rule for backups still applies. Make sure that you have 3 copies of anything important you want to save, on at least two different types of media, and at least one of them being offsite.

  15. Just Tried on Monday by crow · · Score: 2

    I just tried to do this exact thing on Monday. Try as I might, I couldn't get the songs to upload. All the web-based tutorials showed upload icons on the Amazon Music app, but it simply wasn't there on my system. Even Amazon's help pages still said it should work.

    I have an Echo, and I just wanted to add a few CDs to it so that we could listen to them. The 250-song limit was already extremely restrictive.

    What I really want is the ability to stream from my own server. This is a feature that Apple is likely to push, since I believe they've always supported in-house iTunes servers (I'm not really in the Apple ecosystem, so I might be mistaken). If Apple does add this feature and make a big push next year, I hope it forces Amazon and Google to follow suit.

    1. Re:Just Tried on Monday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try Plex? It might meet your needs if you want to stream from your own server.

    2. Re:Just Tried on Monday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pretty sure apple will have its HomePod hook into local iTunes libraries, at least thats one of the reasons that I held out and didn't get an Echo or Home this holiday season.

      Already have most of my music in a local iTunes library (often with CD physical copies), so I figured it made more sense than trying to "mix". Very sad that something like this isn't more standard, but not hugely surprised. There has been a push for the last 20-ish years as media has moved into the digital realm to remove ownership and replace with leasing.

  16. Re:MP3 was so long ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Best country is old country. None of this rap and rockability shit.

  17. DIY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rent a cheap VPS, set up a basic apache install (out of the box in most VPS), throw something like https://github.com/jensdpersson/lystra.html and your music into '/var/www/html/'.

    Tada! Streaming remote mp3/flac/ogg player.

    (You may want to set up password protection and a cheap domain as well...)

  18. The Cloud Is A TRAP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ha, ha, ha, you poor suckers, believing that the cloud is an actual solution to replace local storage.

    You all get what you deserve, idiots.

    1. Re:The Cloud Is A TRAP! by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      I'm sure almost no one uses the cloud to replace local storage, but as a convenience in addition to local storage. I certainly don't. But, sure, go ahead and insult people that don't exist.

      I love the convenience of Amazon Music, but I'll be able to come up with an alternative. I have all my media on multiple spinning-rust platters and aluminized plastic. It's not going anywhere.

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  19. Cloud anything sucks! by ArnoldGill · · Score: 1

    Having just purchased Amazon's Echo, this immediately removes one major reason for having it. Are they shooting their own foot because of the costs of success? In general, I refuse to store anything in the cloud, because I cannot control the storage. The only related service I use is DropBox, because it will immediately make remote copies on all of my installed machines. That just makes it a smart ftp service.

  20. Re: MP3 was so long ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well we learned two more things about Creimer today. 1) he's a liar 2) he's a liar.

    Wonder what we will learn tomorrow ;)

  21. Alternative streamer options by Idisagree · · Score: 1

    In no particular order...

    Plex
    Kodi
    Emby
    MediaPortal
    Subsonic
    Servetome
    Madsonic
    iTunes?
    OpenFLIXR
    Tvmobili
    Mediatomb

    1. Re: Alternative streamer options by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And which one of these can be used with an Echo?

      Because that was the deal why I ever bothered with the Amazon storage.

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  23. Other options.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Vox Premium (used to be called Vox Loop): you can store unlimited amount of music in the cloud and stream to your Mac or iPhone. Flac is supported as well
    NAS: Synology DS Audio (this is what I use currently and gives you completely control of your music collection): Supports Flac as well.

  24. Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's really hard to justify storing your music on someone else's computers. Just how fucking cheap does storage need to get before the holdouts get it? Geez, my intro to Linux 2.2's software RAID was when 80GB drives finally hit sweet-spot prices around the year 2000. Suddenly a small RAID5 could hold my whole collection.

    And it's only easier and cheaper, now in 2017. (Now you can store your own video collection!)

    1. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's 2017 and my hard drives are dying (they sit disconnected). Shouldn't be a big deal but a 1TB drive costs nearly the same as mine did in 2009! I could get a 2TB drive but add RAID1 and/or back up and it'll cost more.

      also I can't afford a 128 or 256 gigs SD card.
      Cost is not very big but it's standing still (in some years there are large increases too, that's why my drives are too old)

  25. Live by the "cloud"... by sremick · · Score: 1

    ...die by the "cloud".

    The "cloud" was always a joke/scam. Just a euphemism for storing stuff on other peoples' servers... something people were doing long before the cutesy word was invented, except now apparently it's morally acceptable to rape^H^H^H^Hmine your data for any informational revenue the place hosting it can find. Then kick you to the curb whenever they feel like it later on down the road after you've reworked your life to be dependent on their services.

    Not to mention that being dependent on the "cloud" for more and more of your data is utterly incompatible with the increasing dependence on data-limited cell plans. And the FCC wants to consider cellular service equivalent to residential broadband.

    I'd say the FCC, cell carriers and everyone else can take the "cloud" and shove it up their asses but that doesn't sound painful enough.

  26. I'm guessing I'm getting too damned old.. by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

    Because I honestly don't get it. I mean don't you guys have smartphones? I just keep all my tunes on a MicroSD in my smartphone and thanks to bluetooth I have no problem playing them anywhere be it at home or on the road and it doesn't cost me a dime or cause me to give my tunes to some third party to snoop and delete at their whim.

    Call me old fashioned but I'll take storage I control over some corp any day of the week!

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    ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
    1. Re:I'm guessing I'm getting too damned old.. by antdude · · Score: 1

      Ditto, but iPhones don't have SD cards. Have to put stuff in their tiny storages. :(

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    2. Re:I'm guessing I'm getting too damned old.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish there were a battery powered NAS that uses a 2.5" hard drive - soon I hope, the bottom-of-the-barrel drives will be single-platter 1TB.

      I dread the lack of innovation in the computer industry. Where's my mobile NAS? Where's my consumer PCIe 1x bluetooth card? And where's my two axis four button USB joystick.

      I lol'ed a bit too when I added an old multi-reader to my desktop but it only read up to 2GB SD cards. I have phone hardware that does up to 32GB. So SD cards are expensive, have the addressing limits issue (or even filesystem issue) and write at like 3MB/s tho indeed they can be a good solution for that one use case.

  27. OneDrive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you use Windows 10 sign up for Office365 and get the 1TB account. Go into your user profile folder (C:\users\yourusername), right-click on the Music folder, click on the Location tab and change the location to OneDrive (create a Music folder in OneDrive for it all to go into of course.) The Groove Music app will automatically check that folder for music saving you the trouble of needing to configure anything more. Do the same thing on all of your Windows 10 computers and install the OneDrive app on your iOS or Android phone/tablet.

    On some OS's like iOS you will need to download and install a dedicated music playing app if you have music in .flac or some other less popular format. Music can be played from the OneDrive app by tapping the 3 dots at the top right and selecting the option to open with another app, simply select your preferred/necessary music app.

  28. Re: MP3 was so long ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, a 48 year old man should be able to do a job usually done by eager 20 year olds. And you got a bonus on the level of a normal paycheck in your area?

    Well, Merry Christmas Chris! Enjoy your Panda Express tonight.

  29. Re:MP3 was so long ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only believable thing about this story is that you deliberately acted like an asshole when someone was trying to do something nice for a group of people you belong to and your paycheck was involved