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Linux Mint 19 Named 'Tara' (betanews.com)

BrianFagioli writes: Today, we get some information about the upcoming version 19 of Mint. The biggest news is that it will be called 'Tara.' If you aren't aware, Mint's distros are always named after a woman.

Clement Lefebvre, Linux Mint leader, shares the following information: "The development cycle only just started so it's a bit early to give details about Linux Mint 19, but here's what we can say already: Linux Mint 19 is estimated to be released around May/June 2018. Linux Mint 19.x releases will be based on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS and supported until 2023. Linux Mint 19.x will use GTK 3.22. GTK 3.22 is a major stable release for GTK3. From there on, the theming engine and the APIs are stable. This is a great milestone for GTK3. It also means Linux Mint 19.x (which will become our main development platform) will use the same version of GTK as LMDE 3, and distributions which use components we develop, such as Fedora, Arch..etc. This should ease development and increase the quality of these components outside of Linux Mint."

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  1. Uh by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The name of the release is the biggest news?

    Because it's named after a woman?

    Just like it ... always has been?

    Oh Slashdot, what has happened to you?

    1. Re:Uh by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      I've never understood the penchant in the Linux world for naming releases, and having the name be the main headline about the release. It just seems so cult-ish to me.

    2. Re:Uh by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2

      It'd be OK if Ubuntu named their release 'Wanking Walrus' or 'Masturbating Monkey'. In fact you could have a whole alphabet of similar alliterations - 'Onanistic Orangutan', 'Selfloving Simian' etc.

      https://www.theregister.co.uk/...

      At the end of the message detailing merge requests, Torvalds wrote: "PS. And to get wider distribution for this message: Digg users - you're all a bunch of Wanking Walruses. And you can quote me on that."

      Digg users responded by Digging the article repeatedly - it had 2210 diggs at the time of writing, 388 comments, and a top ten slot in the technology section.

      There is a definite theme developing here - Torvalds yesterday described OpenBSD developers as "masturbating monkeys".

      What's even worse is companies who name their new device 'The new X'.

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    3. Re:Uh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The name of the release is the biggest news?

      Because it's named after a woman?

      Just wait until they realize that boats are traditionally given womens' names, too.

      https://catamaranguru.com/education/trivia-a-fun-facts/why-are-boats-named-after-women

    4. Re:Uh by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      The name of the release is the biggest news?

      Because it's named after a woman?

      Just like it ... always has been?

      Oh Slashdot, what has happened to you?

      msmash happened...

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    5. Re:Uh by i_ate_god · · Score: 1

      The summary has one comment:

      > If you aren't aware, Mint's distros are always named after a woman.

      The rest of the summary has nothing to do with the name. It's only commentators that are making a fuss over nothing, either using this as an excuse to lambaste so-called social justice warriors, or to be behave like so-called social justice warriors.

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    6. Re:Uh by WallyL · · Score: 1

      Fedora 27 doesn't have a name-- it's just a number. Same for Red Hat or CentOS.

    7. Re:Uh by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      The summary has one comment:

      > If you aren't aware, Mint's distros are always named after a woman.

      The rest of the summary has nothing to do with the name. It's only commentators that are making a fuss over nothing, either using this as an excuse to lambaste so-called social justice warriors, or to be behave like so-called social justice warriors.

      Uh, the sentence literally right before that one, in the summary, is "The biggest news is that it will be called 'Tara.'"

  2. and systemd! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1, Funny

    and systemd!

    1. Re:and systemd! by Scarred+Intellect · · Score: 2

      Is that contagious?

    2. Re:and systemd! by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      and systemd!

      Gesundheit!

    3. Re:and systemd! by thegreatbob · · Score: 1

      The gift that keeps on giving...

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    4. Re:and systemd! by cayenne8 · · Score: 2
      This whole naming thing sounds pretty sexist....

      I mean, people got upset that all Hurricanes used to have female names, and they changed it to have names of both genders....

      Shouldn't there be an upset contingent that Mint is only female names with no masculine ones....?

      Or...does the outrage only work "one way"?

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    5. Re:and systemd! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nothing sexist about it. Are we, as men, so far gone in our political correctness that we cannot see the beauty of naming something of beauty after a female? No harm done, and it's the artist's (developer's) prerogative to name his work whatever he likes.

      I do the same with servers and some scripts. I give them female names. I had one complaint until I casually mentioned I can turn the server off so they don't have to have their faux outrage. People have taken the sexist thing too far. I have a wife and a daughter. Neither of them get their hackles up over stupidity like this. American youth are now being given "safe spaces" in college with Care Bears. When I was 18, I was in the Marine Corps. I don't like space spaces and I won't provide them. Life is not fair. It's not meant to be, A group of 10 people does not need to have 2 asians, 2 blacks, 2 women, 2 homosexuals, 2 striped transgendered LGBTQEIEIOOMGs to be fair.

  3. Re:Tara Reid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Silicon vs Silicone, know the difference...

  4. Re:Clement Lefebvre, Linux Mint leader by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In case you missed it, things have improved in the 16 years since that story was written.

    In the interest of fairness, should we compare modern Linux distros to Windows ME?

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  5. Re:Clement Lefebvre, Linux Mint leader by EndlessNameless · · Score: 2

    Why are you posting an installer glitch from 16 years ago? It's not even the same distro mentioned in TFA. It certainly wouldn't have the GNOME release mentioned either.

    I would call your post pointless FUD if that distro hadn't already been dead for years.

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  6. Re:Linux branding is terrible by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

    Let's not forget other names, mostly chosen by Microsoft's marketing department:

    • Windows XP
    • Windows Vista
    • Windows ME
    • Windows 10
    • Any Windows Server "R2" version
    • Visual Studio 2008 (and many other products named for the year after they were actually released)

    The whole name, including the version "number", is a brand. Microsoft's marketing folks tend to prefer making connections to other Microsoft products, while Linux folks tend to use names to evoke an emotional connection to their product. Yes, it's all marketing, and it's a standard practice in this and most other fields.

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  7. Question for Mint users by wjcofkc · · Score: 1

    I am currently stuck on a pre-Ryzen 6 core AMD circa 2011. While I do i have 16 gigs of ram, that's still a rickety old CPU. I don't have much of a problem with Ubuntu latest, but I seem to have memory of Mint being among the more resource intensive.

    How do you think my rig would fair on Mint?

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    1. Re:Question for Mint users by link-error · · Score: 1

      I run Mint 17 on a Dell Lattitude e5450 with core i5, 16GB ram and an SSD. Runs very fast, no problems.

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    2. Re:Question for Mint users by wjcofkc · · Score: 1

      Excellent. That system is on par. Thanks.

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    3. Re:Question for Mint users by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      I'm on a 6-core Phenom 2 1100T of roughly the same vintage, also with 16GB of RAM, and an SSD. Mint absolutely flies on it, no worries at all.

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  8. You will know Linux Mint is in decline by eclectro · · Score: 1

    when they start using names like "Chris", "Pat", "Jamie". or "Kelly"!

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    1. Re:You will know Linux Mint is in decline by PPH · · Score: 1

      Caitlyn?

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  9. Re:Linux branding is terrible by ichthus · · Score: 1

    So what? Apple just named their new OS after a stoner chic. My cousin Sierra is always high, too.

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  10. Re:Named after a plantation? by iggymanz · · Score: 2

    It's also the name of a female Buddha and a goddess in Hinduism, and a sacred hill in Ireland near Dublin.

    The racism is only between your ears.

  11. Re:Linux branding is terrible by iggymanz · · Score: 1

    wow, you really drank the koolaid and have your tongue up Nadella's ass

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  12. Re:Tara's not just a woman by iggymanz · · Score: 1

    Also the name of deities in two major world religions. Also, historical place in Ireland.

    Which is Mint using? Do you know?

  13. Re:Linux branding is terrible by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

    It was released in 2007. Office did the same thing with the 97, 2013, and 2016 versions, and is expecting to release the 2019 version in late 2018. That alone isn't enough to cause any confusion, but other versions (namely 2000 through 2010) were released in their namesake years.

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  14. Ubuntu vs. Mint, Cinnamon vs. Mate by demon+driver · · Score: 2

    Any opinions why one should prefer Mint over Ubuntu or Cinnamon over Mate?

    Not that I'd want to start a flamewar or some such, just to add something to talk about here, regarding which I'm not yet convinced I've made up my mind myself.

    1. Re:Ubuntu vs. Mint, Cinnamon vs. Mate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Mint is derived from Ubuntu LTS which in turn is derived from Debian Testing, while all other Ubuntu spins are derived from Debian Testing.

      Why not just use Debian Testing with your preferred DE or WM? Far and away cleaner, less bloated, better performance. Debian is no harder to use than the children it spawned. I've been using pure Debian for years. Even their Testing branch is very stable for desktop use. Use Debian Stable for anything mission critical.

    2. Re:Ubuntu vs. Mint, Cinnamon vs. Mate by jetkust · · Score: 1

      I just installed 18.3 Sylvia xfce and really like it. And it seems I'm getting more than 2x the battery power of my last install of cinnamon (I think 18.1). Not sure if it was the desktop change or the upgrade though. I was also having sleep wake issues with XUbuntu and Cinnamon which xfce 18.3 seemed to improve on. But I'm thinking they all likely improved once Ubuntu is updated. I'm probably sticking with xfce for now. Seems more polished than I remember it.

    3. Re:Ubuntu vs. Mint, Cinnamon vs. Mate by skoskav · · Score: 1

      I've tried all four, and personally find that Mint is slightly more geared towards traditional desktop users that want a stable system. Aside from the interface there's mostly just tweaks to the default applications that Ubuntu otherwise offers, typically with additional configuration options.

      Some of the major application improvements I find in Mint is a file manager that's more customizable, informative and friendly towards keyboard navigation. There's also an update manager that will give more details about package origins, version numbers, changelogs with CVEs resolved, and their level of stability, e.g.: https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-c.... This as opposed to Ubuntu which wants you to install everything immediately.

      As for Cinnamon or MATE I would recommend Cinnamon as it is a fork of GNOME 3 rather than MATE being a GNOME 2 fork, making modern application compatibility issues much less likely. It requires additional system resources tough.

    4. Re:Ubuntu vs. Mint, Cinnamon vs. Mate by steveha · · Score: 1

      Any opinions why one should prefer Mint over Ubuntu or Cinnamon over Mate?

      Development on both MATE and Cinnamon is mainly done by developers on the Linux Mint project. The basic purpose of Linux Mint is "Ubuntu with a better desktop".

      The Mint project was not particularly famous until Ubuntu switched from the GNOME desktop to Unity. At that point, Mint became the top distribution on DistroWatch. (I just checked and it still is.)

      The modern GNOME desktop has its fans, but it's completely different than anything else. If you want to use Linux with "classic" desktop, Mint is your best choice.

      As to MATE vs. Cinnamon: MATE is based on the original GNOME 2 desktop, and includes a level of UI polish that I personally appreciate. Cinnamon is a set of customizations to the modern GNOME desktop to make it act in a more classic way. Arguably Cinnamon is the future, but every time I try it out, I get annoyed with something or other, so I'm still running Mint with MATE.

      As an example of what I mean by a "classic" desktop: Mint provides windows that have minimize, maximize, and close buttons; and a "window list", a panel widget that has one button in it for each window you have open. Modern GNOME, in contrast, provides only a close button, and provides no window list at all; instead it provides a totally unique way to group a few windows together, which is called a "workspace".

      When GNOME 3.x first shipped with the GNOME Shell, it offered a new way of working and at the same time it was very difficult to customize it to work more like GNOME 2.x used to work. That's why Mint became such a big deal. I think these days it's easier to make a GNOME 3.x desktop work the way you like, but it's still more convenient go grab Mint Cinnamon if what you want is a "classic" desktop running on GNOME 3.x.

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    5. Re:Ubuntu vs. Mint, Cinnamon vs. Mate by Ramze · · Score: 1

      Eh, ymmv. Mint is more focused on providing a very stable, very polished experience. It does not necessarily update when Ubuntu updates. You could think of Mint as being a kind of Ubuntu LTS release. In fact, the next Mint will be based on an Ubuntu LTS release. So, if you have newer hardware, you may want Ubuntu instead for a newer kernel and better driver support (along with newer versions of your fav. software). I personally prefer Ubuntu because it is more cutting edge with Nvidia drivers, Wayland support, and newer Kernels. I have used Mint in the past on older hardware, and it was beautiful. Now I use Ubuntu with Cinnamon -- though you should know that Cinnamon on Ubuntu doesn't have the polish or all the features of Cinnamon on Mint. So, I sometimes boot to Gnome on Ubuntu -- mostly to test out Wayland support.

      As for Cinnamon vs Mate -- you're really comparing a Gnome 3 fork to a Gnome 2 fork. Cinnamon has more features, but takes up more resources. I'd prefer Cinnamon -- but on older, slower machines with limited RAM, Mate is pretty darned nice. I also keep Mate installed just in case I have an issue with another DE.

      I like to test bleeding edge development builds of Ubuntu, so I get my fair share of bugs & so it's great to have a backup DE like Mate to switch to if a bug won't let me load into Gnome or Cinnamon.

      Notes on Cinnamon -- before Cinnamon 3.2, it was really buggy and crashed often on multiple systems I had it on. It used to leak memory like crazy and have to be re-started... but after 3.4, it was rock solid and gorgeous. I think it's up to 3.7 now.

      Notes on Mint -- I had an issue where I couldn't enable Zram a couple years back b/c it wasn't supported on the kernel that came with Mint -- or any that were in the Mint repo. So, I installed a newer kernel... I think 3.14 manually... got that working properly. Then, I had an issue with VLC playing a x.264 file that a newer version of VLC fixed... but, I had to manually install the newer VLC b/c it wasn't in Mint's repo. Same thing for a driver issue... Eventually, I had SO MANY bits of software that I was updating manually for compatibility reasons (like having the same versions of LibreOffice as another machine, etc.), that I ended up adding the entire Ubuntu current repository to Mint... which merged Mint with Ubuntu -- and that worked for a bit... until I got some nasty dependency issues as my hybrid Franken-Mint-Ubuntu had issues with some updates and changes. Ended up wiping it and just installing Ubuntu with Cinnamon since obviously I couldn't live with plain vanilla Mint.

      You may have no issues at all for what Mint has to offer -- especially since it's caught up to Ubuntu for the next release... but, as things drift, you may change your mind. Depends on whether you're an LTS kinda person or a twice yearly release kinda person -- or like me... a twice yearly on some things, rolling release or development on others.

    6. Re:Ubuntu vs. Mint, Cinnamon vs. Mate by Paul+Carver · · Score: 1

      Dell XPS13, Debian doesn't see any wireless networks. Replaced the wireless card with an Intel wireless card that was specifically recommended by Amazon reviewers as having good Linux compatibility and Debian still doesn't see any wireless networks.

      Mint and Manjaro both see my wireless networks with both the original and the Intel wireless cards.

      Unfortunately neither Mint nor Manjaro successfully restore from suspend mode after closing and reopening the lid.

      I like Debian on my VMs and servers, but it's not looking like a viable laptop OS at the moment.

    7. Re:Ubuntu vs. Mint, Cinnamon vs. Mate by demon+driver · · Score: 1

      Thanks to all comments, much appreciated.

  15. Re:Tara's not just a woman by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

    I have no idea which one (if any) the developer had in mind. I do know that the plantation was the first association I made, and within about three seconds, so did Tara's Theme from the movie. Judging from other comments here, quite a few other commentators made the same association, regardless of what was intended.

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  16. Re:Sounds good by i_ate_god · · Score: 1

    I fully intend to switch over to Cinnamon over KDE. I miss the Gnome2 feel and Cinnamon really delivers on that front.

    But gosh, won't someone think of the BLUR? I miss my glassy terminals man

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  17. How is this news? by hduff · · Score: 1

    I can't even get a Slashdot mention of a Mageia Linux release (downvoted as SPAM), but this info pops up like a Jerry Springer promo?

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    1. Re:How is this news? by hduff · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the comment.

      I used the Mandrake-Mandriva-Mageia distros since Mandrake 5.3, even though I was co-author to Bill Ball of several of the RedHat/Fedora Unleashed books.

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  18. Total clickbait article... by gosand · · Score: 1

    This submission links to the betanews "article" written by the submitter, which is simply a repeat of the information that is on the Linux Mint blog. Looks like clickbait to me.

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  19. How can it be the "biggest news"? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    Today, we get some information about the upcoming version 19 of Mint. The biggest news is that it will be called 'Tara.'

    If that's the biggest news, then there can't be much of note to Mint 19.

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  20. Re:Linux branding is terrible by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

    Or Visual Studio .Net (VS7)

  21. Re:Too many programmers in the kitchen... by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

    Problem with your theory is that is not how the changes are then committed upstream.

  22. Re:Tara's not just a woman by F.Ultra · · Score: 2

    Quoting from the devblog at Linux Mint (https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3494)

    Tara is a popular name here in Ireland, and the name of someone we really like

  23. Re:Won't Even Consider Mint by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

    Being against Israel isn't being anti-Semitic unless you are against Israel due to it being inhabited by Jews.

  24. Re:Sounds good by Major_Disorder · · Score: 1

    I fully intend to switch over to Cinnamon over KDE. I miss the Gnome2 feel and Cinnamon really delivers on that front.

    I made that switch a couple of years ago, when my laptop was getting a little dated. Then last year I finally got around to getting a newer laptop, and thought I would go back to KDE, so I installed Mint with KDE, but I found within a day that I had come to prefer the Cinnamon desktop. As I still had not migrated much of my data over, a quick reinstall and happiness returned.

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  25. Re:Gone With THe Wind by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    It's where Piggly Winks lives.

    To be fair, Mint also gives a number and the names are in alphabetical order. That's two more kinds of logic than the toddlers at Debian.

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  26. Re:Tara by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

    To me, the name brings to mind Tara of Helium from the john Carter series. However, I can't help but picture her looking like a clone of Thuvia (from the Michael Whelan cover).

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/99/0...

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  27. Re:Tara by Grand+Facade · · Score: 1

    I know a gal named Tara.

    She's a roller derby skater.

    Her full name is Tara Armoff! :^)

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  28. Re: Tara by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

    The movie was okay. But it really should have been its own standalone property instead of relying on the John Carter name. I read all the books back in jr. high, a hardback collection that a grunkle (would have been grunkle to me) gave my dad when he was around 11 or 12. My youngest sister is "caretaker" of that collection. I'm quite happy to just have a paperback set with all the Whelan covers.

    And I have to say, if they ever reprinted them again and got either Larry Elmore or Greg Hildebrandt to to the covers, I would have to get them all again.

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  29. Re:Tara's not just a woman by iggymanz · · Score: 1

    I know rather than take the 30 seconds of trivial effort to find out exactly what Linux Mint team meant you want go off on some Twitter SJW level whine fest invoking racism and slavery and injustice....in complete ignorance

  30. Re:Tara's not just a woman by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

    You might try reading my comment again and making an effort to understand it. I made no judgment, no complaints. I only mentioned what my first thought was when I saw the name.

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