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GM Will Make an Autonomous Car Without Steering Wheel or Pedals By 2019 (theverge.com)
General Motors plans to mass-produce self-driving cars that lack traditional controls like steering wheels and pedals by 2019, the company announced today. From a report: It's a bold declaration for the future of driving from one of the country's Big Three automakers, and one that is sure to shake things up for the industry as the annual Detroit Auto Show kicks off next week. The car will be the fourth generation of its driverless, all-electric Chevy Bolts, which are currently being tested on public roads in San Francisco and Phoenix. And when they roll off the assembly line of GM's manufacturing plant in Orion, Michigan, they'll be deployed as ride-hailing vehicles in a number of cities. "It's a pretty exciting moment in the history of the path to wide scale [autonomous vehicle] deployment and having the first production car with no driver controls," GM President Dan Ammann told The Verge. "And it's an interesting thing to share with everybody."
That's no steering wheel, it's a docking station!
Does anyone really think they will be taking a driverless taxi/uber anywhere before 2025?
Autoautomobiles will be a life changer for those with disabilities.
(including end of 2019) I think they overestimate their chances!
And if anything goes wrong with the guidance system, don't worry -- it will simply slow down, pull over, and stop.
And then...
What happens if the guidance system goes out? If the map the computer's using isn't fully up to date? If I need to move the car only a short distance, or park in a place without parking spaces? This is the same kind of thinking that removed guns from fighter aircraft because "dog fighting is obsolete." I haven't seen any self guiding car system that I would trust to act, with no ability to override. Build one that can handle New York or LA rush hour and I may change my mind.
So, since we're now truly passengers, GM can pay the insurance? Because I'm not paying for insurance for a self driving car, because that implies I'm taking responsibility for how it drives ... and I'm not.
Let's give up all pretense that I'm driving or responsible for the operation of the car ... no ocifer, I'm not drunking drive ... the car 'ish driving .. hic .. no shir, I don't even have 'ny controls ... di' it run over that .. hic .. little old lady? I was asleep, I never saw nuttin'
My liability in this scenario is zero, so I fail to see why it would be me paying for insurance against something I have no control over. So GM will need to indemnify the vehicle themselves.
Though, somehow, I'm betting they'll insist I pay to insure their technology against their shortcomings, in which case I'll fucking drive myself, thanks. Once I become cargo, the liability goes to someone else.
Honk goes "Meep Meep!"
I'm thinking of a certain era in Larry Niven's "Known Space" stories, where on Earth, disconnecting the autopilot and driving a car manually on public roads was an Organ-Bank offense.
I can't wait to ride in one, please!
Johnny Cab clip from 'Total Recall'
That's nothing, Ford made a self-exploding car that dynamically removed the steering wheel and pedals already in 1971.
.. no drivers license required -- sobriety not required.
.. manufacturer assumes sole responsibility for the vehicle's actions. if occupants cannot control the vehicle, they shouldn't be subject to any fines for the vehicle's operation. if there's an issue that's not immediately life threatening ('life threatening' would be something like driving down the wrong way on the wrong lanes of a freeway, running red lights, etc), a report (and citation) should be given to the manufacturer, the vehicle should not be pulled over.
.. actions of the vehicle should not make the occupants "suspects" or subjects of roadside checks or searches.
.. no remote-cut off switches in the hands of government or police.
.. usage data is privileged and should be protected by privacy laws stricter than census data or medical records.
.. manufacturers assume sole financial liability . the occupants have no control. accidents are the fault of the vehicle (or a different one), not them.
This might be the push to make me move to a developing country, where life and labor are "cheaper," and autonomous car-pods won't be popular for another 50 years (when I'm over 80!).
A country where all of my transportation options are (logged, paid via credit cars) autonomous rental cars is my definition of panopticon hell. I'd rather ride my own Honda 125 around a Latin American city.
Other than to *prove* it's not needed, at this juncture it seems an odd choice to remove capability.
Particularly to make such a declaration given the reality that the legal framework of operating fully autonomous cars is far from a known thing.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
Really! I promise! Just let me cash out all these stock options k gais?
the industry that can't go a single month without having to issue OS patches.
Every 'learning event' will fix every single car (of that brand), yes, but if even 5% of them originated from a fatality I can't see the settlement payouts not bankrupting most or all manufacturers.
Or better yet, they'd evolve more humility and stop acting like they're indestructible and own the road and pay attention to cross walks, traffic and signs.. Instead of what I see now, even as a pedestrian myself, of just blazing through traffic like they own the place.
and all GM employees will be required to drive this car since no one in the right mind with the current tech use it, well maybe Airbus managers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
For any tow / service people that have to try and move the things when they're broken.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Worry leads to fear. Fear leads to hate. Hate leads to the darkside..
Seriously. Fear-based decisions are usually wrong, ie: giving up mpbility to a totalitarian state because omg traffic accidents!
Your family doesnt want to live in an Orwelian hellscape bro.
You'll still need comprehensive insurance, even if you don't have any liability because deer are never insured and you'll need to keep paying GM to keep this service active.
Pedestrians do own the place. They have right-of-way you fuckwit.
>Human drivers in snow are much worse than a car with radar.
Will is have a robot guy like in Terminator? Does anybody still care about the future, or wish to be around for it? I don't. It's time to die soon I think.
https://slashdot.org/story/18/01/07/0619207/researchers-create-psychedelic-stickers-that-confuse-ai-image-recognition
Tesla isn't even this aggressive in their timeline.
One of our competitors trademarked the term "hypothesis". From now on, we will call them "boneheaded ideas".
It will have a port to plug in a Nintindo game controller, and all the cheat codes of GTA will be supported.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
Log in or fuck off.
Many of the proposed ownership models for driverless vehicles involve the passenger not owning or leasing the vehicle. The situation would be like an on call cab. Cab companies have liability for the operation of the vehicle and they pay the liability insurance. With a driverless vehicle the liability insurance would be part of what the passenger would pay for the service. When you pay as an example $40 for the ride and $1.27 for the insurance so the fee would be $41.27. Many different ownership relationships could exist with different tretments so a lot legal development will occur.
It takes GM about 4 years to change a wiper blade design. I seriously doubt they will have a driverless car in 20.
If you own it you're responsible, just like anything else. But ownership will quickly fade away, and it will nearly all be spot rentals. it will take a generation as the "legacy" car owners won't cotton to the idea, but their kids will.
With such a high /. id you really don't have a right to complain. I could create a sockpuppet account right now and it'd have only a slightly higher id than you.
ZIP
PS - Such bullshit in your post history.
I couldn't even see the lines on the road myself. I really wonder how these autonomous cars are going to deal with snow storms without any way for the human to take over.
Log in or fuck off.
OK.
You'll still need comprehensive insurance, even if you don't have any liability because deer are never insured
Who cares if deer are insured? They aren't driving cars to run into you with, and your AV won't hit one because it's an AV and won't have accidents. Why should you have insurance?
and you'll need to keep paying GM to keep this service active.
There's the magic. If you think automobiles have planned obsolescence now based on warrantees, imagine when your AV stops working because you didn't pay your software license fee.
So, a garbage can blows into the road and the car just stops behind it...forever?
Florida has many areas with low to medium density and large populations of elderly people.
If I lived there and could no longer drive I would get one of these in a flash.
Wow you actually bothered to create an account, just to reply.
City of Chicago ordinances:
https://www.cityofchicago.org/...
https://chicagocode.org/9-8-02...
Even Pedestrians have to obey traffic signals, which was my point. They also are not allowed to just blindly cross where it's not marked to do so.
Furthermore. When push-comes-to-shove, you can be fully in the right and still fully dead.
Arrogantly walking through a red light is still against the law for a pedestrian.
If this is all there was, I'd ride a bike, ride a motorcycle full-time again, or WALK.
Right in their bailout-holes
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Who cares if deer are insured? They aren't driving cars to run into you with, and your AV won't hit one because it's an AV and won't have accidents. Why should you have insurance?
A lot of people care, that's why comprehensive insurance is so popular, if your car is totaled because you hit a deer you're screwed unless you have it and if you aren't buying your shiny new driverless car cash the lender isn't going to consider anything short of comprehensive an option.
That sounds like a factory line conveyer belt to me.
Still going to need a "Pull over and stop immediately" button just in case.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
Please don't put these dangerous things on the road with me until then. Give it a few decades, at the very least.
You'd have to be a sociopath to think that gives you the right to vehicular homicide.
...yep still won't buy anything GM makes.....ever.
So, since we're now truly passengers, GM can pay the insurance? Because I'm not paying for insurance for a self driving car
I know that self-driving cars seem like science fiction sometimes, but in what Amazing Universe are the costs not passed on to the consumer? Of course you'll be paying for the insurance. It will probably even be a line-item on your monthly bill for the lease. And if an accident happens, the actions of the humans involved WILL be a factor they consider. So you'll need two insurance policies in the future, not zero.
A lot of people care, that's why comprehensive insurance is so popular, if your car is totaled because you hit a deer
Topic: buying insurance for autonomous vehicles. Autonomous vehicles won't have accidents, thus you won't hit a deer. You don't need collision insurance. Try again.
They will still hit deer, they will still be vandalized, they will still experience hit and runs. They're autonomous, not magic. There is no force field.
and when a pipe brakes and the road needs to close now?
As a passenger in a vehicle that you're not controlling you may want to use excessive comments on the AI's actions and decisions in an attempt to control the vehicle. You may also want to tutor the AI in how to drive, for example comment on the speed of the vehicle, alternative directions, or to not let that other car get ahead of you.
Computer, park next to the second gas pump for regular unleaded.
I can't do that Dave. I'm an electric car.
If it functions as well as other GMC vehicles, then it will be completely safe as it just sits there.
I completely welcome driverless cars coming. I believe they'll save lives, increase productivity, allow the elderly to drive again etc.
One lingering thought always sticks in my head. Someone wants to rob you, well they just stand in front of the car and you will stop. Every time.
Has anyone considering solutions to this?
Whoosh