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Facebook Reopens Probe Into Russian Involvement in Brexit (techcrunch.com)
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Facebook has said it will conduct a wider investigation into whether there was Russian meddling on its platform relating to the 2016 Brexit referendum vote in the UK. Wednesday its UK policy director Simon Milner wrote to a parliamentary committee that's been conducting a wide-ranging enquiry into fake news -- and whose chair has been witheringly critical of Facebook and Twitter for failing to co-operate with requests for information and assistance on the topic of Brexit and Russia -- saying it will widen its investigation, per the committee's request. Though he gave no firm deadline for delivering a fresh report -- beyond estimating "a number of weeks".
It's not clear whether Twitter will also bow to pressure to conduct a more thorough investigation of Brexit-related disinformation. At the time of writing the company had not responded to our questions either. At the end of last year committee chair Damian Collins warned both companies they could face sanctions for failing to co-operate with the committee's enquiry -- slamming Twitter's investigations to date as "completely inadequate", and expressing disbelief that both companies had essentially ignored the committee's requests... Independent academic studies have suggested there was in fact significant tweet-based activity generated around Brexit by Russian bots."
Theresa May has said Russia's attempts to "sow discord" in the West could not go unchallenged, and warned Vladimir Putin, "We know what you are up to."
Facebook's response complained that a new investigation "requires detailed analysis of historic data by our security experts, who are also engaged in preventing live threats to our service."
It's not clear whether Twitter will also bow to pressure to conduct a more thorough investigation of Brexit-related disinformation. At the time of writing the company had not responded to our questions either. At the end of last year committee chair Damian Collins warned both companies they could face sanctions for failing to co-operate with the committee's enquiry -- slamming Twitter's investigations to date as "completely inadequate", and expressing disbelief that both companies had essentially ignored the committee's requests... Independent academic studies have suggested there was in fact significant tweet-based activity generated around Brexit by Russian bots."
Theresa May has said Russia's attempts to "sow discord" in the West could not go unchallenged, and warned Vladimir Putin, "We know what you are up to."
Facebook's response complained that a new investigation "requires detailed analysis of historic data by our security experts, who are also engaged in preventing live threats to our service."
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The leftists are losing their bloody minds, you can't blame all your losses on Russia. Sour grapes mate. Enough with this, face it the other side won. Fucking elitist doss cunts, you're in such denial that you lost, that it couldn't POSSIBLY have happened without shady intervention. You lot are off your medication.
Yes! The Russians put nanobots into our brains and make us do their bidding!
Damn I don't know if we will survive 40 more years! Somebody please! Turn off the internet!
I wonder if Russia is behind Facebook's reopening of this probe into Russian meddling in Brexit. If you're Russia it seems like the best way to stir up shit in opposing powers is to let them tear themselves in half over whether or not Russia was involved in influencing their government in some way.
I see a lot of anonymous coward postings taking a "nothing to see here.. move along" stance... So sorry that Facebook looking into and possibly exposing something ruffles your delicate feathers so much...
"The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because the Cold War's been over for 20 years" - Barack Obama, third presidential debate, Oct. 22, 2012
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"The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
When the Russians actually fund Communist and Green parties and generally support left-wing agitation, there's nothing to see here. But when people vote right-of-center, it must be a Russian conspiracy!
Blame everything on russians. Ignore your own crooked crimes.
Duh!
Cockholsters, they are at FUCKFACE.
If Theresa May knows what Putin is up to, why does she do exactly what he wants? She should just pretend he's a good friend, would be less embarrassing.
Ad hominem. Ad hominem. Ad hominem. Ad hominem.
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Go figure. The reality is we have *ALWAYS* had influences during elections from many different perspectives. That's called democracy. How people can get upset over this is beyond me. If Russia is so effective at influencing our elections then maybe our political leaders should I don't know duplicate Russia's tactics???? instead of bitching and moaning about how they're influencing our elections. I do want to point out that we have influenced a lot of other countries via different means over the last 100 years- from outright supporting overthrows to similar sorts of manipulation of democratic votes. It's a bit late to say "how dare you do that!" when we've been doing it for a hundred plus years already.
but it was Mays own party that proposed Brexit on a gamble. After the country actually voted in favour of it, 3 separate politicians assumed responsibility for the fiasco and each stepped aside as the brakes were nowhere to be found on this train. Even Boris Johnson had a swing at the corpulent trashbag known as Brexit. the UK even went so far as to say the legislation was somehow nonbinding, and when pressed by the EU to exist in a timely fashion had the audacity to demand "a good deal" in exchange for leaving. They did not in fact get a deal.
now may's trying again, desparately, to save face and pin the blame on russia? Seriously? At some point someone has to call her bluff and ask what strategic or tactical advantage Russia gains by sabotaging a nation into exile from a trade group russia already has formal relations with (the EU)? In other words, why would russia intentionally make it more cumbersome to trade with the UK?
Good people go to bed earlier.
If only to spare me from all your Russian investigation updates. Don't have a Facebook and I still receive their updates...
Russia helped expose all of the democrats crimes.
So they're evil now. No no no don't look at the democrat crimes! focus on russia! that's whats important now. russia!
Russiagaters are getting more and more desperately pathetic with each passing day. this pic about sums it up. Anything and everything can be and will be blamed on Russia, because we need a distraction from how horrible Hillary and her party are to lose the most winnable election in history.
The problem is something called sampling bias. If you only look for meddling by Russia in only decisions you dislike, then you can only find meddling by Russia only in decisions you dislike. e.g. If your landlord claims your apartment is filthy and is the source of the cockroaches that everyone in the building has been complaining about, and he does an extensive search for roaches in your apartment and finds some, that doesn't prove his claim. For all we know, your apartment could be the cleanest one in the building, and if he'd done the same extensive search on the other apartments he would've found a lot more roaches. But by searching only your unit, he's abusing sampling bias - cherry picking data by only looking in certain places - to try to make it appear as if you're the one at fault.*
If you want to investigate something like this in an objective manner, you need to look for meddling into all big political decisions by all foreign powers. This includes meddling by Facebook (a US corporation) abusing sampling bias to try to discredit the UK Brexit vote via a press release that millions if not tens of millions of Britons will hear about in the news..
* In this case the statistical error (by Facebook) is intentional. But sampling bias can creep in unintentionally too. The classic example is a surveyor tasked with finding out how many hours city residents ride the subway on average, so the city can make better decisions on if subway service should be expanded. He starts off by asking random people on the street how often they ride the subway each week. He grows frustrated that most people don't ride the subway at all, making it difficult for him to gather the required minimum number of positive responses to minimize the margin of error. Then he's struck with inspiration. He'll simply got aboard a subway train and ask the riders how many hours they ride each week. Since everyone on the subway must be subway riders, that'll neatly filter out all the non-riders he's been wasting his time with.
The problem is when you ask people riding on the subway instead of random people on the street, the odds of you encountering a heavy subway user are higher. e.g. If 80% of subway riders ride the subway 1 hour a week, and 20% ride it 10 hours a week, you are 2.5x as likely to sample a 10 hr/wk rider than you are a 1 hr/wk rider simply because they're on the subway a lot longer. So the statistical data you gather this way ends up biased high by your sampling method.
Thanks for that, Ivan. Always good to know what Putin's St Petersburg astroturf army is thinking
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Don't bother trying to explain anything to them. Their delusion is too deep. Just watch and laugh. That's what I did when I saw this headline.
So is the left for or against private companies dicking around in political matters now?
Thanks for that, Ivan. Always good to know what Putin's St Petersburg astroturf army is thinking
It's pretty hard to figure out what the left's astroturfing army is thinking these days. Either it's russians everywhere, including under your bed. Or it's nazi's everywhere, including under your bed. I bet psychiatrists are making a mint though.
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Any reasonable person would be concerned about evidence of destabalising posting on open western media. You forget that it is a primary attack method of the Russian military and that their internet is tightly controlled. The evidence is likely to show external posts of strongly emotional appeals to both sides of any political dispute in order to break down the cohesiveness of our society.
Given many posts here they are doing a great job. We used to be largely content with voting to determine our politics and today there are many souces openly calling for civil war. Anywhere that there has actually been a civil war recently has a destroyed economy so I would not dismiss this method of attack quite so glibly.
Facts are history now plebs have politics for religion on social media.
Seems like a better idea to properly educate your population instead of wasting all these millions on useless investigations.
You forget that the Russians and other countries control what gets on their internet. Are you suggesting that we too should have a great firewall and hundreds of thousands of government workers removing posts from the internet?
Facts are history now plebs have politics for religion on social media.
...investigate their own meddling in world affairs, banning conservative accounts, deleting conservative posts, etc, etc.
oh...wait...
It would be a lot more believable if there were any signs of using EFFECTIVE methods of countering Russian propaganda. A commonly stated goal of Russia is to undermine faith in western democracies. Instead of changing policies to restore faith, they are using Russia to avoid actually implementing populist agendas.
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...who's interest is it in with depopulating Syria, and causing the refugee mess in Europe.
Brexit is a seperate issue to American elections, do read the summary before posting !
Facts are history now plebs have politics for religion on social media.
If you think that's bad, try to figure out the Right. Nazis are good decent folks and Russians fund the NRA.
What a twisted country you live in.
A quick look at your slashdot history is all it takes to see you've become more sock than puppet, king neckbeard
Seriously, the Internet Research Agency is the greatest political consulting firm in the world. With just a few thousand Facebook ads and Twitter messages, it was able to sway the Brexit vote and US Presidential election. Why spend a hundred million or more paying ineffective pussy established firms while you can get Russia's IRA for a few thousand rubles?
Yet this is only relevant when liberal causes fail.
When non-liberal causes fail, it's on their merits. When liberal causes fail, it's because someone was cheated and bamboozled. Britain is still trying to figure out how to undo the EU vote -- ironically on the eve of France's president saying that France would vote the same way -- just as the media is trying to play up anything to discredit Trump's victory, including Facebook tampering from Russia.
From the actual evidence though, Russia spent an estimated $100,000 and it did not solely target either candidate, which discredits the narrative outright. Furthermore, if Russia was able to steer an election where the campaign to elect Hillary spent more than $1,400,000,000 (that's $1.4 BILLION) and the same for Trump spent more than $950,000,000.
If $100,000 is actually what won the US election, due to some destabilizing ads (the same work that the West does in other areas), then the West is screwed and beyond saving already. But in reality, these kind of ads went to low-information voters that tend to vote along party lines anyway. If you actually saw one of those ads, then you shouldn't be questioning why Russia is tampering (that should be obvious), rather you should be questioning why they think you were susceptible enough to such lowbrow ads.
These platforms -- mostly Facebook and Twitter -- are keeping themselves in the news because it helps them, and probably a bunch of them are dumb enough to believe that this is what swayed the election because they don't know anyone that could have voted for X. They see that as a measurement of their own intelligence rather than being completely out of touch. Now the mission is helping those poor buffoons who voted for X, so that this never happens again.
These platforms should stop allowing such ads to be run, period. Not just trying to steer the narrative, which is their new goal.
Russia's goal is probably to keep the American voting public disunited. It is in their best interest to keep each half of the population thinking that the other half are un-American traitors.
What should make you angry is that it doesn't take much, since the politicians, cable commentators, and Internet comment sections do most of the work already. Just a few nudges are required.
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So
* A government spends mega dollar$ educating the sheeple over many years.
* Someone spends a few dollars buying some Ads on facebook.
* A government worries a large enough percentage of its educated sheeple are being subverted into wrong think by scrolling past an Ad on facebook and subconciously looking at it for a few milliseconds.
Conclusions?
* A government thinks most of its sheeple are just plain stupid - education system has failed.
* The sheeple have been programmed perfectly - but the government didnt suspect other people would use them for there own purposes.
* Its all just a load of BS.
> Any reasonable person would be concerned about evidence of destabalising posting on open western media.
That's not what a reasonable person would do in the USA, but that's been promoted by various partisan sources as a theory to great consternation.
Freedom of expression has consequences. You either subscribe to the will of The People to govern themselves with free exchange of ideas (ostensibly through forms of speech) or you subscribe to the belief that it's ultimately not freedom of expression that's virtuous, but some sort of isolated echo chamber. If speech itself can become tainted with the ideas that are contrary to their intended meaning (due to clever wordplay, misinformation, etc), without some authoritative body with oversight, is it really freedom of expression anymore?
Believe me, we know Trump won. It hasn't stopped Trump blaming the Democrats for everything.
Brexit is a seperate issue to American elections, do read the summary before posting !
It would be interesting to know if there was a Russian effort to trick people into voting for Brexit. It is probably too late to change, but it is not too late to fight future propaganda.
One thing people forget about the American elections was that Americans created the conditions that the propaganda and fake news could thrive, and many of them had (R)s next to their names. I presume you had similar conditions during Brexit, at least from what I recall of world elections lately..
Twitter should do the work, even if they have to hire people. Britain should, if required, foot the bill, to make sure it gets done. Truth does take effort, and sometimes it is a monetary one...
If Jeff Sessions stopped cracking down on doobies you might get your wish.
Title says it all.
...to not know that Democrats not only aren't left, they're hard-core right wingers frequently more extreme than the GOP?
*notsies
There have been a lot of media reports of massive Russian meddling in the Brexit campaign, but the first investigation found they spent £0.73:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/12/13/facebook-russians-spent-just-73-pence-ads-brexit-campaign/
Of course, this didn't stop the left wing media claiming there was Russian involvement. Sure, if they spent £0.73 then there was Russian involvement, but the scale of involvement has been intentionally misrepresented.
What the leftists can't seem to handle is that Brexit and Trump occurred, not because of Russian meddling or because people were tricked, but because a great many people wanted them to happen. If the leftists left their echo chambers for a brief moment, they might actually realise that.
At least Macron understands that people genuinely don't like the left wing agenda. When asked if given a vote on the EU would the French vote to leave, he said "probably":
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/955019112031244288
Of course, the French will never get a vote. After the March elections it may well be that Italy do get a vote, and that would really get the ball rolling.
Everything that's still fucked up that is, and he's right.
I'm just waiting for Facebook to investigate if Russians made Han Solo shoot first...
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
Classic republican personal responsibility: Blame the guys who control nothing.
So Russia is running CNN, Huffpo, Fox, etc? Russia is programming these university professors to call for white genocide? Because those entities are the ones I see as blatantly attempting to cause division among the people. Yet none of the Russiagate screamers ever point their blame cannons at those. So either they're completely ignorant, or they're liars with a different agenda than they claim.
> At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious, it makes perfect sense to scrutinise tactics more closely if they actually worked.
Of course it makes sense. People wouldn't fall prey to sampling bias unless it appeared to make perfect sense to do so.
But you've also fallen prey to anchoring bias, so you're stuck on the first conclusion you've come to, and you won't even look to see who else might be meddling.
For GB to complain about manipulating anyone's internal affairs is beyond hypcritical. Britain ran an empire based on manipulating internal affairs of unsuspecting colonies. It still uses subtle levers of influence and plausible deniability to set people against each other all the while putting "mother england" on some sort of pedestal. England lives chiefly through its alliances. BBC meddles in internal affairs of former colonies on regular basis under the guise of covering "foreign affairs". The fact that Russian IT companies are being used by anonymous foreign interests to launder (anonymize) their information campaign is in no way an indication of Russia itself using an influence. Russia simply doesn't have anything to gain from it.
Any guest worker system is indistinguishable from indentured servitude.
If it's such a nothing why have they all been caught lying about it?
It's more like, "Lots of us keep hearing hearing funny noises from under the bed... Don't you think we should get a torch and have a peek under there?"
Your response is something like, "There's nothing under the bed because we say so--and don't you dare even look under it."
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
We have facebook and twitter for that.
EVERYONE RUN! This ludicrous-excuse is out of control! AARrRHRHggGgHGHghghGHGHGHhHhhHHHhhhHHH!
Despite the fact that Donald Treason refuses to acknowledge Russian attacks on our country:
The #SchumerShutdown Hashtag Is Getting A Big Boost From Russian Bots
The GOP slogan is now the top trending hashtag being promoted by Russian influence operators on Twitter.
By Jennifer Bendery
JORGE SILVA / REUTERS
WASHINGTON As lawmakers wage a messaging war over who caused the government shutdown, Republicans and the White House are getting a big boost in their efforts to blame Democrats for the mess â from the Russians.
#SchumerShutdown - the hashtag that GOP leaders and the White House are using to accuse Democrats of causing the shutdown - on Sunday night became the top trending hashtag being promoted by Russian bots and trolls on Twitter, according to the Alliance for Securing Democracy, a project led by former top national security officials from both parties.
Hereâ(TM)s a chart by Alliance for Securing Democracy, last updated at 10 p.m. Sunday, showing the #SchumerShutdown hashtag blowing up among Russia-linked influence networks.
ALLIANCE FOR SECURING DEMOCRACY
#SchumerShutdown has surpassed #ReleaseTheMemo as the highest trending hashtag among Russian influence campaigns. The campaigned seized on that hashtag earlier this month in an effort to pressure Republican lawmakers to release a classified memo written by House GOP aides that allegedly describes abuses in FBI surveillance practices. Conservative organizations like Breitbart and the Daily Caller have given major coverage to the memo, but Democratic lawmakers have denounced it as deeply misleading.
Alliance for Securing Democracy tracks activity from 600 monitored Twitter accounts linked to Russian influence operations. It has found that Russian bots and trolls frequently amplify content attacking the United States, conspiracy theories and misinformation.
citation provided When whining about the source try to find a single inaccurate claim. Thanks.
Of course not. I'm simply saying anybody who doesn't like this is a fucking hypocrite if they support any of our past actions overseas outside of very particular self defense scenarios (maybe the world wars in other words or if you go back farther you might find some other wars where the US was invaded, attacked, or threatened, but many of those wars were also really us invading other nations, ie many native american nations pre-date the colonial powers invading).
No, we but we did begin to suspect that there was at least one thing Trump wasn't lying about, after all...
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
So Russia is running Huffpo, Fox, etc?
I deleted the one that made the comment look a bit stupid.
Of course not. Russia doesn't have to run MSNBC or Fox News. Americans have mostly turned on each other on their own after there was no common enemy left at the end of the Cold War (although this round of division has its origin in the 1970s in the wake of the Southern Strategy, Watergate, and the Powell Memorandum). Russia only has to nudge things a little.
You can't actually make someone cheat on their partner. You can only amplify what is already there.
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'Russiaâ(TM)s all we talk about but voters don't care': CNN reporter admits network's obsession on air
You mean Muslim refugees kicked out by unelected authoritarians, right?
Besides, everyone knows the biggest threat to British society is plumbers from Poland.
> May has said Russia's attempts to "sow discord" in the West could not go unchallenged, and warned Vladimir Putin, "We know what you are up to."
What she really means is "we're busy screwing up Britain ourselves and don't need Mr Putin's help".
Watch out! An evil Russian is behind every tree!
Or maybe evil facebook wants to smear the Russian government. Why should we trust facebook's evidence? Are there any other sources for Russia's involvement.
I can tell you the view from ground zero, the people who voted for Brexit are not even able to use Facebook. They rely on the talk at the pub, and there they had the Romanians and Bulgarians to blame (highly visible as construction workers). Later the Bulgarian politicians started to make noise so only the Romanians were blamed.
Brexit is nothing more than the voice of racism and for that there is not need for Russia or Farcebook to stir it.
In the specific case of Brexit, there are two different challenges to consider.
The first is whether or not *any* foreign government had the ability to influence the preferences of the British people when it came to the vote. I notice that much discussion is being given to the potential for Russian meddling, but I also note that nobody batted an eye when Barak Obama not only made very pro-Brexit comments, but also made it very clear that if Britain elected to vote to leave, then Britain would be put to "the back of the queue" when it came to negotiating a trade deal with the US.
Or how about the fact that the government of the day spent literally millions of pounds of Tax-Payers money to fund their part of the campaign, by physically posting their views to every single household in the country via a mail-dropped leaflet. This was clearly an attempt at influencing public opinion, and the money to do so was spent only by the "Remain" campaign, because that happened to be the position taken by the Prime Minister of the day [not even the "Government of the Day", seeing as how numerous ministers favoured leaving].
So the first issue is a pretty specious point, really. However accurate and however valid the point is, it's largely irrelevant to point to some underhand foreign government meddling in the Brexit vote when the standing UK Government of the day were tilting the odds so far the other way...
The second point concerns the foundation of democracy itself. The final Brexit vote was split 52:48 (%) in favour of leaving the EU. This vote, which was operated on 100% democratic principles [i.e. of "one person, one vote" - and not the "first pass the post" method used for UK General Elections], was a significantly stronger vote in favour of an outcome than any UK General Election in living memory. For example, when David Cameron [who was Prime Minister at the time] won his second term in office, he secured 44% of the popular vote.
44%. The Brexit vote secured 52% - an outright majority. Yet Cameron was returned to Government with a large majority... Even more curiously, nobody demanded a recount or a second General Election even though he only won 44% of the vote... [OK, cheeky argument, since the two events were handled under different rules]. But the point stands.
You only have to look at the way that political elites have reacted to the vote - one in which the British people had the temerity to vote for what they actually wanted - to see how important this vote was. Since the decision was made the EU has gone out of it's way to try and bully, cajole, frighten or threaten the UK into having a second Referendum to overturn the first decision.
Whether or not you agree with the decision to leave the EU, this external force from the EU, which is a million times worse than any influence Russia could have brought to bear, must be resisted at ALL costs. If the UK caves then there is nothing to stop the EU from becoming a totalitarian state - which might sound a bit melodramatic, but consider the significance of a state which simply sets aside democratic decisions because they are not what the elite wants.
We would do well to remember that the more we allow ourselves to be torn up by this, the better it is for Russia or any foreign state with an axe to grind.
Hilary Clinton won the popular vote in the 2016 Presidential Election, but didn't undermine the electoral process with protest court cases. The UK should look to that example and respect the decision.
And if the UK or other countries want to make material improvements, then there is nothing to stop them from putting more effort into stamping out voting fraud, is there? Don't see much on that topic...
Israeli meddling is OK
Whatever The media and press doesn't like from people is blamed on russians to try to revert it. Their candidate was Hillary. She lost.. It's Russians influence (even they assured the elections could not be hacked and they had to accept the results they expected ).
Now, People in Britain sees the evil that the EU is (yes I'm a part of EU and hate EU government), and they vote to exit... against the Press&media will.... again "let's blame the russians"
Meddling in other countries' politics is in the lyrics to UK's national fucking anthem.
What if Putin tries to influence the Brexit's outcome with media reports about possible influence over Brexit's outcome by Putin?
Apart from you, you mean?
The only effective response is to draw attention to it. If people get notifications from Facebook saying "this post you liked and re-posted to all your friends was actually Russian propaganda" it might alter their behaviour and views on the subject. It might make them think twice next time.
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The Russian propaganda is "Your politicians don't listen to you and your democracy is a farce." That line is a lot harder to sell if you are politicians DO listen to you, and your democracy ISN'T a farce.
For example, had the Democratic nominee been Bernie Sanders, the emails showing the corruption of the DNC would HELP him, not hurt him, because it would paint him as an underdog fighting against corruption. THAT would be an effective countermeasure.
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> Theresa May has said Russia's attempts to "sow discord" in the West could not go unchallenged
Yeah, whatabout being not idiot? May who was driving brexit should take the responsibility instead of crying how Putin was behind it (even he is).
With NO explanation of what, exactly, constitutes "meddling".
Oh, they mean trying to INFLUENCE voters to vote one way or the other - rather like the entire Jewish controlled media has been doing for the past fifty years! How 'democratic'. And anybody who speaks out against this Jewish power will be attacked by the same Jewish controlled media until they are sacked from their jobs, fined, or even put in prison!
The denial of free speech is the first act of tyranny.
I don't think the Russians have goals that specific in mind. They just create division and anger, and let it do whatever damage it ends up doing.
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Oh look, AmiMojo is harassing another poster.
And then he wonders why he gets down modded with troll and flamebait mods
On the other hand it's easy to know what Mashiki is thinking. It's the usual straw man argument, paining the "left" as being paranoid and calling everyone a Russian/Nazi. Ignore the evidence, decry the investigation before it even starts, deflect defect deflect.
When you attack the person, you're proving your intellectual cowardice. There's no strawman on that either, or did you skip the "punch a nazi" "nazi's are everywhere" etc., media hysteria that went on for several months....and has died off. Why don't you prove that the russians are everywhere and lurking under your bed, along with the nazis? The media sure hasn't, investigators haven't. Even this article and twitters "post" haven't shown any actual evidence of this, the only thing they've done is "claim" and you know, claim that accounts made nearly a year after the period in question were also "russian" accounts.
Come on buddy, it's time for the what-about post.
How's your police state in the UK coming along? You guys sure have done a bang-up job on that one.
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Show me proof that shitposting on the internet actually DID anything. It didn't.
It got the uneducateds to believe electing someone from liberal New York City would be the worst thing to happen to this country.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
Now, People in Britain sees the evil that the EU is (yes I'm a part of EU and hate EU government), and they vote to exit... against the Press&media will.... again "let's blame the russians"
What bothers me more, is this isn't even limited to the US, the UK or the EU. Media in Canada, and other english speaking countries have been pulling the same garbage, if there isn't another journolist type group setting up narratives I'll eat my keyboard. It wouldn't surprise me if media all over the place are pulling the same garbage, it's entertaining though when you spot the shills pushing it though. They usually have a lapse in thinking, and post "soviet" instead of "russian" which kinda points out how old the person who wrote the script usually is.
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The point still stands. It's easier to sow division and anger when people have legitimate reasons to be angry. The best resistance against foreign propaganda is a responsible government that serves its people's interests.
Also, if the Dems are to be believed, Putin personally ordered this operation, and Russia groomed Trump over a long period.
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Hey Teresa, what about US/British intelligence meddling in Brazillian elections? And nearly all democratic nations relevant to the US in the last 50 years? Does it ring a bell?
Hay, I didn't notice that you worked an accusation of racism into the post title. Well done, exemplary.
So yeah, I'm still punching Nazis and all that, but I've given up on the UK. It's fucked. I went to China and noticed that the mass surveillance is pretty much the same. So anyway, I'm leaving, going somewhere that suits my leftist progressive socio-commie philosophy better. Also they won't let my wife immigrate, but it's mostly about the other stuff.
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Hay, I didn't notice that you worked an accusation of racism into the post title. Well done, exemplary.
There's that usual part where you make no sense...and...
So yeah, I'm still punching Nazis and all that...
Glad you've come out and labeled yourself an authoritarian that believes in political violence in order to further your ends. Not only that, but you become a walking contradiction. The UK is your progressive socio-commie philosophy wrapped up in a happy little blanket, it's everything you want. Protected class, particular groups of people getting special privileges based on race, rampant identity politics, jew hatred, oversight and prosecution of thought crimes by government and police. Why would you want to leave the paradise you've already created?
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If you think that's bad, try to figure out the Right. Nazis are good decent folks and Russians fund the NRA.
So let's see if this makes sense: Nazi's are good, and russians fund the NRA. But Trump is a nazi, and so are his supporters? His supporters are also russians according to the various flapping heads in the leftist media...
So I guess that means Trump and his supporters are actually the good guys?
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In some cases they do spread disinformation. However many of the posts I've seen in the news recently describing russian "meddling" in the US election are just cases of the Russians apparently promoting certain facts that they like. Just because the Russians promote those facts does not make them untrue.
Says the Russian dude. Yeah, I've been watching you AHuxley.
Well according to the leftists, the vote was driven by the over 55s.
I thought over 55s were supposed to be useless at using technology?
Glad you've come out and labeled yourself an authoritarian that believes in political violence in order to further your ends.
Yes, I definitely wasn't joking. Nothing gets past you.
The UK is your progressive socio-commie philosophy wrapped up in a happy little blanket, it's everything you want.
That's why I'm leaving, I have everything I want and am completely happy with the UK, it fits my personal beliefs perfectly. That makes complete sense. Your assumptions are, as always, spot on.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
The democrats aren't unAmerican traitors. That's antifa and the assorted other minions working almost directly for putin that are traitors.
The Telegraph piece and many others state why the 0.73 figure is misleading. I know you know this but others, more gullible, might fall for your tricks.
[MP] Mr Collins said Facebook had not been thorough enough. He said it had only identified adverts from pages that had already been discovered in the US investigation, and that studies showing thousands of Twitter bots had attempted to disrupt the vote were strong evidence that there was Russian meddling.
"It would appear that no work has been done by Facebook to look for Russian activity around the EU referendum, other than from funded advertisements from those accounts that had already been identified as part of the US Senate's investigation," he said.
From the link posted by the troll above:
Facebook has said less than £1 was spent on Russian adverts designed to disrupt the Brexit vote, downplaying claims that meddling from the Kremlin helped swing last yearâ(TM)s referendum.
The US internet giant responded to an investigation from the Electoral Commission by saying the Internet Research Agency, a shadowy organisation with links to the Russian government, spent just $0.97 (73p) in Britain during the two months of the EU referendum campaign.
However, its claims were instantly disputed by a senior MP.
Damian Collins, the chair of the digital, culture, media and sport (DCMS) committee, accused Facebook of failing to probe the true extent of Russian meddling.
And surprise-surprise... They are going back to see if they've maybe, perhaps, possibly, missed some - once they are called out about it.
Just like how Facebook's could not have influenced the outcome of the election in November 2016.
But by April of 2017 "disinformation campaign during the election" WAS there but it was "statistically very small".
Then in September it turns out it they sold $150.000 worth of ads to Russians for some "3000 ads" connected to some 470 accounts, aimed at promoting discord on issues such as "gun rights, immigration, LGBT rights and race".
Or was that "80,000 pieces of content [which] may have been viewed by a total of 126 million people", as was revealed by late October 2017.
How those numbers keep growing... it's as almost as if Zuckerberg and Co. are lying through their teeth to cover their asses - then rolling over when pressed about it.
Meanwhile, in the land of Brexit...
Researchers at the University of Edinburgh identified 419 accounts operating from the Russian Internet Research Agency (IRA) attempting to influence UK politics out of 2,752 accounts suspended by Twitter in the US.
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Yes, I definitely wasn't joking. Nothing gets past you.
Your past post history says you aren't joking. Or did you forget all those times when you defended "punching nazis" in your own comments?
That's why I'm leaving, I have everything I want and am completely happy with the UK, it fits my personal beliefs perfectly. That makes complete sense. Your assumptions are, as always, spot on.
That's not an assumption, it's observable based on your comments, your stances, your views. You've gotten a happy little taste of the paradise that you want, and suddenly you don't like it. But you're more then happy to travel to another country and spread the same views that got you there in the first place.
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The point still stands. It's easier to sow division and anger when people have legitimate reasons to be angry. The best resistance against foreign propaganda is a responsible government that serves its people's interests.
Actually, evidence indicates it's easier to sow division and anger when people don't have legitimate reasons to be angry. There's nothing you can do to satisfy the perpetual resentment and grousing that beguiles some people who just want to be upset. And they're also the most prone to influence by propaganda that gives them a convenient target to scapegoat, such as a responsible government that doesn't placate and mollify them with false promises and insincere blandishments.
Also, if the Dems are to be believed, Putin personally ordered this operation, and Russia groomed Trump over a long period.
If that was the case, then Putin should get a refund. Floyd really did a messed-up number with that grooming. But seriously, if Trump is to be believed, Obama somehow engaged in a widespread Machiavellian conspiracy that dated from his birth, that he was somehow raised to hate and despise America and destroy it, but only Trump could save us by waving his magic wand that suddenly made the economy (which had been growing for years, despite Trump's proclamations of disaster), blossom and grow. I will grant that shit is fertilizer, and Trump spreads copious amounts, but things don't work like that.
Sorry, but the real problem with Trump is not whether or not Russia influenced him, but the fact that he'd let them do it without even caring. He's been loud, obnoxious, and thoughtless for decades. He's dumb enough to blunder into almost anything.
There were investigations and news reports about Russia interfering in the internal affairs of other countries and using propaganda techniques like fake news prior to both the US elections and the Brexit vote taking place. You probably forgot about due to your ridiculously short millenial attention span.
Got it. Just wanted to make sure we all understand that the left is super racist, when it fits their agenda.
Accuse others of doing the very thing you're doing.
I thought over 55s were supposed to be useless at using technology?
Facebook is pretty much the "over 55s network"
The problem is they're trying to pretend it's not as bad as it is.
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Sounds like they are trying to confirm their Russian meddling conspiracy theories.
Your past post history says you aren't joking.
Well, my granddad was a Nazi-puncher back during the great SJW invasion of Europe in 1944, so maybe I'm biased.
That's not an assumption, it's observable based on your comments, your stances, your views. You've gotten a happy little taste of the paradise that you want, and suddenly you don't like it.
So all this protesting about not wanting any of that stuff is actually just cover for me really wanting it, except that actually it turns out I don't want it... This is getting more confusing than Pizzagate.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Why use nanobots? All they needed to do was place ads and fake users on social media to get the shills riled up against one another by taking sides. That is all they needed to do to further divide and conquer. The Russians aren't to blame, nor are the Democrats, the Republicans or the media. In fact none of the bogeymen are really to blame even though they had a hand in doing so. In fact it is those that let themselves buy into their brand of propaganda just because they just so happen to agree with it while dismissing anything else as "propaganda" just because it isn't their own brand of propaganda. If the sheeple would just start using critical thinking skills none of this will happen again. Then again, using critical thinking skills is frowned upon by the world.
that is disliked by the liberal elites, can just be blamed on Russia as a mechanism to override that decision back to the path the elites prefer. Got it.
Well, my granddad was a Nazi-puncher back during the great SJW invasion of Europe in 1944, so maybe I'm biased.
You hate your granddad that much? You do what you're doing is basically the opposite of he fought for, right?
So all this protesting about not wanting any of that stuff is actually just cover for me really wanting it
Why wouldn't it be? We insist right wingers don't really mean what they say when they speak. It's all code for racism or sexism or supporting Nazis or hating poor people, etc.
Why would we treat you any differently?
"the great SJW invasion of Europe in 1944"
Must use that.
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I see you use the EXACT same arguments that we invented here in America and just inserted your country's name. Stay classy, UK redneck.
Well, my granddad was a Nazi-puncher back during the great SJW invasion of Europe in 1944, so maybe I'm biased.
So despite your denial that you advocate for political violence to enact political change, you're now once again in agreement that you're okay with using violence for political purposes.
So all this protesting about not wanting any of that stuff is actually just cover for me really wanting it, except that actually it turns out I don't want it... This is getting more confusing than Pizzagate.
You mean this part? " So anyway, I'm leaving, going somewhere that suits my leftist progressive socio-commie philosophy better." Which you already have...and want to flee to another country where you can live exactly under the same system you already have.
Pizzagate on the otherhand is simple, kind of like how your government covered up the mass rapes of young girls, and of Jimmy Savile. The only difference between the two is that "pizzagate" is in the "but there's a whole pile of circumstantial stuff" just like "there was a whole pile of circumstantial stuff, with Savile 40+ yeas ago and the mass-rapes and child prostitution 10+ years ago."
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Having the best interests of American workers at heart?
Good morning, Comrade Wang! How's the weather in Shanghai today?
Nah. ALL expressions of popular discontent with authoritarian financialism are the work of Soviet agents. Don't you know?
Most unlikely. My guess is AHuxley is a former (or current?) USIC officer, who many years ago was a Chinese IC officer who defected to America. Buuuuuut, that's 100% a guess.
So despite your denial that you advocate for political violence to enact political change, you're now once again in agreement that you're okay with using violence for political purposes.
To be fair, the "political purpose" of the great SJW invasion was to stop bombs falling on us. Also, I seem to recall that American SJWs joined in. Are you okay with that?
Which you already have...and want to flee to another country where you can live exactly under the same system you already have.
No, no, I want to go to a different system, not the same one. One with less surveillance, more freedom. For example I think there is possibility I might need euthanasia services in future, and the UK doesn't allow them.
Oh, and not getting bricks through my windows, sent by xenophobes and racists. I know they are only trying to help me by gifting free replacement bricks for my old house, but it's kind of annoying.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
To be fair, the "political purpose" of the great SJW invasion was to stop bombs falling on us. Also, I seem to recall that American SJWs joined in. Are you okay with that?
Maybe you should ask yourself why your country helped draft a plan that created the situation in the first place?
No, no, I want to go to a different system, not the same one. One with less surveillance, more freedom. For example I think there is possibility I might need euthanasia services in future, and the UK doesn't allow them.
That doesn't make sense, since you regularly post that peoples rights should be curtailed because it hurts your feelings. Most countries don't allow suicide like that, and for good reason. You can see the slippery slope in several EU countries where that already happened.
Oh, and not getting bricks through my windows, sent by xenophobes and racists. I know they are only trying to help me by gifting free replacement bricks for my old house, but it's kind of annoying.
Maybe you should be asking the question why that happened in the first place, it wasn't based on fault of your own. But rather due to the fault of other people who are similar to you, and government policies that looked the other way.
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You probably forgot about due to your ridiculously short millenial attention span.
Note that UID? I was born before millennials were even a twinkle in their parents eye.
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Maybe you should ask yourself why your country helped draft a plan that created the situation in the first place?
Because it was run by imperialist asshats. Not a very nuanced analysis, I know, but basically correct.
That doesn't make sense, since you regularly post that peoples rights should be curtailed because it hurts your feelings.
Er, no, you are mistaken. Hurt feelings alone are never enough to curtail rights.
Most countries don't allow suicide like that, and for good reason. You can see the slippery slope in several EU countries where that already happened.
Not really, it seems to be providing great relief to many people and all the fears about people being encouraged to kill themselves have not been realized.
Maybe you should be asking the question why that happened in the first place, it wasn't based on fault of your own. But rather due to the fault of other people who are similar to you, and government policies that looked the other way.
Not sure what you mean by that. They threw bricks at my house because they thought I was an Arab... I'm not, I'm half white British and half Asian, but you know how dumb these racists usually are. I really don't see the similarity.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Not sure what you mean by that. They threw bricks at my house because they thought I was an Arab
Nah, they probably just thought you were a Nazi, and like you, think violence against a Nazi is ok.
Unless you listen to right wing fake news, you would know that most people are not racists and are against fascism, and that punching Nazis is the cool thing to do now. Whenever right-wing violence does break out, the real news media and all these celebrities will come out and say that the racism and bigotry is not "us" (US, UK, whenever) and what "we" stand for, that it's not the popular or majority opinion (results like Brexit are surely because of deception and Russian influence, people were just fooled to vote leave)
So when you receive violence, it is much more likely it's a case of Nazi-punchers looking to punch Nazis but got the wrong guy, instead of racism. Seeing as people can be deceived to vote leave, it's not surprising that they might be deceived to think you're a Nazi even if you aren't one.
... I'm not, I'm half white British and half Asian,
Well, your skin color or heritage has nothing to do with you being a Nazi. This includes the fact your grandpa was a Nazi-puncher.
but you know how dumb these racists usually are.
That is a very stupid statement. Racists aren't any more dumber than other groups of people. Perfectly smart people can be racists too (Henry Ford for example, had some rather antisemitic writings). Ditto them being racists or sexists (see: recent outings of people in Hollywood turning out to be creeps), and of course fascists.
If Nazis were dumb, they wouldn't have been such a threat to the world that took the combined effort of the free world AND Stalin to defeat.
I really don't see the similarity.
Then Occram's Razor would suggest they didn't come after you because of your race. So again, I say they probably just thought you were a Nazi.
Because it was run by imperialist asshats. Not a very nuanced analysis, I know, but basically correct.
So you're saying that the current state of the problems in the UK is because it was run by "imperialist asshats?" In the last 15 years...
Er, no, you are mistaken. Hurt feelings alone are never enough to curtail rights.
You mean where you've defended curtailing peoples rights for hurt feelings didn't happen? Have you changed your belief now that you're experiencing the heavy hand of the state?
Not sure what you mean by that. They threw bricks at my house because they thought I was an Arab... I'm not, I'm half white British and half Asian, but you know how dumb these racists usually are. I really don't see the similarity.
Most people can tell the difference between an arab and a not-arab. More likely you managed to piss someone off to the point where they stalked you and you got a brick through your window for your trouble. If your online personality is anything to go by, you'd project an in-general unlikable meat space personality. Then again, you could always try the "assimilate" route. My background is White-Japanese, and I don't identify as "Canadian and half-asian or "white-asian" I identify as Canadian, unfortunately the progressive left sees nothing but skin colour.
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So you're saying that the current state of the problems in the UK is because it was run by "imperialist asshats?" In the last 15 years...
No
You mean where you've defended curtailing peoples rights for hurt feelings didn't happen?
Yes
More likely you managed to piss someone off to the point where they stalked you and you got a brick through your window for your trouble.
Hard to imagine how. We never spoke, never interacted (beyond the free bricks he gifted me). I didn't even know his name until I saw the court documents. I think he had heard my name because his son was at school with my younger brother long ago, and thought it was Arabic or something. And then the EDL and Brexit happened and his generosity increased.
unfortunately the progressive left sees nothing but skin colour.
Okay, what does that have to do with me again? Are you saying I only see skin colour because this other guy thinks I'm an Arab, even though I'm white...
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Hard to imagine how.
Nah, not hard at all. It's easy to imagine that they were doing this to you because they thought you were are Nazi
We never spoke, never interacted (beyond the free bricks he gifted me)
Most Nazi-punchers didn't speak or interacted with the Nazis they punched either... up to the point of punching, of course.
I think he had heard my name because his son was at school with my younger brother long ago, and thought it was Arabic or something.
That's a very stupid assumption. White, Japanese, and Arabic names sound nothing alike.
So again, it's more likely he just figured you were a Nazi, and acted accordingly.
Okay, what does that have to do with me again?
Everything. The left loves to judge others by their associations (declared or implied), so it's only appropriate they are treated the same way.
Just like how if one associates with Trump, MRAs, GamerGate, etc will be judged by the worst individuals and stereotypes of those groups, you yourself will be judged by the groups you declared or implied to be associated with.