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FCC Report Claims Broken Broadband Market Has Been Fixed By Killing Net Neutrality (vice.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Motherboard: The FCC has released a new report falsely claiming that the agency's attack on net neutrality is already paying huge dividends when it comes to sector investment and competition. Unfortunately for the FCC, the data the agency is relying on to "prove" this claim comes from before current FCC boss Ajit Pai even took office and doesn't remotely support that conclusion. The Trump FCC's latest broadband deployment report [concludes] that "advanced telecommunications capability is being deployed to all Americans in a reasonable and timely fashion." That claim comes despite the fact that this same data also shows that two thirds of U.S. homes lack access to 25 Mbps broadband from more than one ISP, resulting in numerous broadband monopolies in markets nationwide.

An accompanying press release goes on to claim that "steps taken last year have restored progress by removing barriers to infrastructure investment, promoting competition, and restoring the longstanding bipartisan light-touch regulatory framework for broadband that had been reversed by the Title II Order." The FCC has repeatedly tried to claim that the FCC's 2015 net neutrality rules devastated sector investment -- despite the fact this is easily disproved by ISP earnings reports, SEC filings, and numerous CEO statements to investors. That hasn't stopped this FCC from repeating this claim anyway, apparently hoping that repetition forges reality.
"The problem: these deployments aren't new, and industry watchers note that they all technically began under the oversight of the previous FCC," Motherboard concludes. "All of the examples provided by the agency cite deployments that predominantly occurred in 2017 as the result of obligations attached to mergers or subsidies under the previous Tom Wheeler-run FCC."

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  1. The new norm by CRC'99 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Rewriting history was always the norm. Problem is, now we're trying to re-write the present.

    Repeat the same crap often enough, and people will think its true.

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    1. Re:The new norm by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      Damn straight. I guess we have been told. Time to sit down and shut the fuck up....

      Hummm. I don' t think so.

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  2. Unfortunately... by Narcocide · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... the people in rural areas who are most negatively impacted by the lack of readily available broadband will fall for this.

    1. Re:Unfortunately... by pubwvj · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wow. You are a class A chauvinist.

      For your information, there are a great many people out in rural areas who are far more intelligent than you. Get your glasses fixed.

    2. Re: Unfortunately... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I live in a small town outside of Wichita. When we say we are going to town, it's not 10 mins. away, it's a drive. Not only do we get 25 meg plus broadband but the whole town has been wired for fiber. In fact they just hooked up my fiber connection today at 25 meg and it cost me $5 more per month when I had only 12 meg before. Yes we only have one ISP but they doing ok for the surrounding small towns. And yes I'm glad net neutrality is gone, nothing more than more regulations that don't work, just like more and more gun laws that don't work. Baka, Baka, baka.

    3. Re:Unfortunately... by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 1

      Common knowledge appears to be neither.

      I partially disagree.....It is unfortunately far too common....but it certainly is not knowledge ....

    4. Re: Unfortunately... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Congratulations as well. My parents live 15 minutes outside of a small town in Iowa. Closest city is about 45 minutes away from town.

      Parents choices for ISP's:

      Verizon Wireless
      Satellite ISP's
      Dial up (though I think the local dial up ISP pulled out of our area)

      No fiber, no cable, no dsl.... So yes they have broadband via Verizon... a whole like 8GB a month (might be less), with a nice bill to go with it.

      My choices on the other hand (I live in a town in Georgia)

      TDS DSL (They have fiber in our town, but not in my area)
      ATT DSL
      Local Cable company
      Satellite ISP's....

      Right now I pay $65+fees for 25mb service through the cable company. I previously had "50mb" service through TDS for same price. Why switch from 50mb DSL to 25mb cable?

      TDS uptime was about 80% (less after any storm, constantly had to have copper pairs swapped out), their service effed with my router and it kept crashing. While I had 50mb service when doing speedtests, I was rarely able to get HD video via netflix because it flucated so bad. Also they closed their local office (which was the only office in the county for them), so now the only way to get service is to go online or via telephone. You can't get modems swapped out locally anymore, they have to send them to techs to then come to your house to swap.

      Local cable service so far has 99.9% uptime, my router stopped having to be reset every day (sometimes every few hours), and Netflix has been happily streaming HD video.

    5. Re:Unfortunately... by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      Really Ivan?
      Then why did they vote for an inflation creating cretin?

    6. Re:Unfortunately... by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      Uhhh, 2.86 million MORE VOTES says you are wrong
      "Winning" while losing requires some ingenious help in winning only the "right" empty places

    7. Re: Unfortunately... by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      More gun laws don't work?
      Tell that to the Brits

    8. Re: Unfortunately... by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      I was going to whoosh you, as the glasses thing to me was so stupid it was funny, and I assumed that was the joke. Now I'm not so sure.

    9. Re: Unfortunately... by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      It's 100% in the ones that proudly show their intelligence with "I'm simple" right before saying something racist or prejudice.

  3. Doublethink by ClickOnThis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Big Brother has increased broadband speeds from 25 mbps to 10 mbps! Hooray Big Brother!

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    1. Re:Doublethink by technosaurus · · Score: 2

      I think they might phrase it "increased from 25mbps to 10000kbps"

    2. Re:Doublethink by houghi · · Score: 1

      The speed we had was always 1200 baud.

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  4. Ajit Pai lies... by GerryGilmore · · Score: 1

    ...dog bites man. Wake me when there's really NEWS.

    1. Re:Ajit Pai lies... by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      That sounds like a reasonable outcome honestly. Do i get to pick the breed of dog?

    2. Re: Ajit Pai lies... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why would either of you do that?!? To the dog!!

    3. Re:Ajit Pai lies... by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Only if you choose a Molossus.

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  5. You know they don't care by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    right? Show up for your primaries folks. Otherwise you'll have the same choice of Right wing corporate Dems and right wing Rs. Also, and I know this isn't a popular idea, but this _is_ a partisan issue. The Republicans are opposed to government regulation and want to leave the free market to decide (massive subsidies not withstanding) while the Ds, when they're not being actively bought off (again, show up at your primaries people) support government regulation with the aim of general societal improvements + correcting imbalances in the market. What I'm saying is, if you vote R you shouldn't be surprised when they don't want to regulate. They told you that in their party platform.

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    1. Re:You know they don't care by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Yeah, nobody is going to vote for the party of identity politics. The Democrats haven't repudiated any of the vile, divisive policies that lost them the last election.

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    2. Re:You know they don't care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, the democrats are so divisive that they had roughly three million more people vote for them than the republicans did.

      Look, independent of any electoral college debates, there are still MORE people voting democrat than republican. Republicans win exactly one demographic: white males.

      So tell me again how "divisive" democrats are when they own every demographic but one?

    3. Re:You know they don't care by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Oh, this is priceless. I say that identify politics are vile and divisive and get back a post defending the vile divisiveness of identity politics.

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    4. Re: You know they don't care by volkris · · Score: 1

      If you read the report it details the many ways the FCC is actually working to address those imbalances, as is required by law.

      The chairman has been very active over the years in promoting things like funding for rural broadband. In fact he's been critical of the previous FCC for not spending more to address these issues.

      I know it's not popular on slashdot to report these things as it doesn't fit the black and white narrative, but there is room for coming together behind some of these efforts.

    5. Re: You know they don't care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Uhhhh.....the "population" in "population centers" is the important part. Acres don't get to vote. People do. I know conservatives get all confused because they see vast swaths of RED on an election map and they think "Oh, those wacky liberals are such a tiny minority! Why can't they just die?". The thing is, those vast swaths of red are largely empty of people.

      Wyoming is a huge chunk of Republican. So what? It's only 600k people. Alaska is about 750k. I think Montana is a million. Those three stated COMBINED have less than half the population of that tiny blue speck that is Maryland. Those three states don't even have the population of the city of Chicago.

      So, yes, most counties are red. Most VOTERS are blue.

  6. Re:High standards, anyone? by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

    So you're saying 25 Mbps ought to be enough for anyone?

    Where have we heard that kind of thing before?

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  7. Taking away Gives! by pubwvj · · Score: 1

    By taking it away the FCC caused millions of last mile miles of fiber to be instantaneously laid to all the rest of the people in rural areas. Presto, magico!

    Sadly this will allow for the spread of more fake news so the president wisely cut the cord.

  8. Re:High standards, anyone? by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    Personally, I'm currently satisfied with my 950Mbps broadband. 100Mbps was starting to feel slow.

  9. Re:High standards, anyone? by mcl630 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You don't need 25 Mbps, so nobody else does?

    Even if that were so, how does that change Pai cherry-picking statistics from 2016 to somehow claim repealing NN in 2017 (which hasn't even taken affect yet) magically "fixed" the broadband industry? How does that change Pai claiming infrastructure investments ISPs announced years ago were somehow magically caused by him repealing NN years later?

  10. Forget Fake News by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    This is Fake Report.

  11. Re:High standards, anyone? by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

    Personally, I'm currently satisfied with my 950Mbps broadband. 100Mbps was starting to feel slow.

    Dude, I'd like to see the porn you're watching.

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  12. The term that immediately rises to mind. by Chas · · Score: 1

    FULL

    OF

    SHIT!

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    1. Re:The term that immediately rises to mind. by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      FULL

      OF

      SHIT!

      What exactly? The news stories? The FCC? Or your post?

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    2. Re:The term that immediately rises to mind. by Chas · · Score: 2

      At the risk of being obvious...

      The FCC.

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    3. Re:The term that immediately rises to mind. by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      I confess it wasn't obvious (to me) but thanks for the clarification.

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  13. Its probably not a lie by JustNiz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >> falsely claiming that the agency's attack on net neutrality is already paying huge dividends

    It probably really is already paying huge dividends, just exclusively to the board and shareholders, not the customers.

    1. Re:Its probably not a lie by MtHuurne · · Score: 1

      It probably really is already paying huge dividends, just exclusively to the board and shareholders, not the customers.

      You mean it's literally paying huge dividends? ;)

    2. Re:Its probably not a lie by houghi · · Score: 1

      For the politicians the board and shareholders ARE their customers.

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  14. Re: Innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What you ignore is the fact that communities will not be allowed to start community isps now.
    Network neutrality never prented it either. It is the big isps and short-sighted local governments combined with a LACK of federal oversight that have always made it difficult for cities and towns to have their own providers.
    This situation can only get worse without network neutrality.

  15. Oceana by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    has always been at war with eurasia

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    1. Re:Oceana by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      [Oceania] has always been at war with eastasia

      FTFY. Peace out.

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    2. Re:Oceana by msauve · · Score: 4, Funny

      FTFY. War out.

      FTFY. War is Peace.

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    3. Re:Oceana by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      /thread

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  16. It's Yuge! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Current FCC policy is paying Yuge dividends, Yuge I tells ya!

    In fact, under Obama, zombies were walking the streets, killing and raping. Mexican zombies! With Me and Pai, honeysuckle grows in verdant groves, fountains gush with mead, and bluebirds sing the national anthem.

    Can I tell you how I squashed the Dictator of Darkest Korea? Or how I personally defeated ISIS? My policies are single-handedly responsible for bringing down the Imams of Iran!!!

    And black people love me! There are so many black people who are employed now who just love me!

  17. Lie, Rinse, Repeat by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

    If you tell a lie often enough, gullible people will believe it.

    Meanwhile, in a court of law, you'll get sued by the attorney generals of the states that know you're lying about broadband and competition. Because they deal in facts.

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  18. Re:High standards, anyone? by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

    Propaganda: information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.

  19. Re:High standards, anyone? by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

    Whoosh.

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  20. They're probably including cell service by Rakarra · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When the broadband companies took all those federal subsidies to increase Internet broadband, they used their own "creative" definition of what broadband Internet should be and dumped all that money into cell service. My guess is whenever they talk about Internet service, they're still counting stupid phone data availability.

  21. Re: Innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ahuxley.
    You have it wrong.
    The isps (small or large) did not have to "prove" that they are supporting neutrality in their infrastructure. They simply have to not get caught violating it.
    Network neutrality is less expensive as far as infrastructure and labor cost is concerned.
    Implementing "fast lanes" is really the opposite- it is done by adding equipment (and the labor cost of implementing and maintenance) to RESTRICT bandwidth for slower, cheaper access.
    And the loss of profit for NOT using that expensive, new equipment to slow down traffic for content providers and consumers.

  22. Re: High standards, anyone? by fortfive · · Score: 1

    25 M might be enough for a single person to watch some high def while doing a few other things. But you start to add in a partner and a couple of kids, that 25 starts to get really thin.

  23. The Republican Miracle by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
    Just as the incredible unemployment rate that Oblama took turned into a resurgent full employment situation the very second fearless leader took the oath, the entire boadband problem has been cured in a matter of days. Time to follow all of the republican ideas. They not only work - they work immediately, and often go back and change the past.

    Further proof of God's favor is when cabana boy rand announced how a secretary was so pleased about the recent tax package, because her paycheck increased by a little over a dollar a week. Winning baby - this is it. Vote Republican and get an extra coffee at Starbucks once a month!

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  24. More fake news.... by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 1

    "Hey, we fixed broad band by allowing Cable companies to filter your network traffic....oh, and we redefined what broad band means by saying anything over 5 Mbps is broad band....yay merica! All hail Fuck Face Pai."

  25. Who would pull him back.... by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 1

    Who would pull Ajit Pai back from the street if he was about to get hit by a bus?

    1. Re:Who would pull him back.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I would too. And I'm a proud liberal.

      Politics is about coming to terms with your opponents, not letting them die, for crying out loud.

  26. That's not what the report said by volkris · · Score: 1

    Anyone interested in this topic needs to read the actual report. There the FCC goes through the numbers behind its conclusions and the legal requirements that it faces when going about its analysis.

    But more importantly, the FCC report simply doesn't come to the conclusion that Slashdot reports here. In fact it explicitly says that there is more progress to be made, and that it was a lot more than Network Neutrality stuff going on last year.

    The report is a fine report that we should be able to get behind, as it promotes efforts to expand Broadband to more people.

    Missreporting like this is not helpful.

    Here's a link to the report:
    https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_pub...

  27. The report makes this clear by volkris · · Score: 2

    If you read the report, it goes through times when it's including cell data and times when it's not. It also lays out exactly why it's making those two choices as required by the laws that tell the FCC what to do.

    It's all spelled out in the report.

    https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_pub...

  28. Big Surprise by nagora · · Score: 1

    Man promoted by liar turns out to be a liar. Wow.

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  29. Talk about cherry picking journalism. by will_die · · Score: 1

    Egads I feel dumber reading those "news" articles, and even dumber comparing them to the FCC release.
    If you are having some issues with this summary, which any reasonable person would, go and compare them to the actual FCC release. While the FCC release is about the USA as a whole the news articles are almost entirely on the areas with the issues, and the quotes and numbers they use are from the FCC talking about those issues.
    In this case the articles focus on remote indian land and conclude that since they don't have the same access to high speed internet that is available in Manhatten that the FCC report is a lie.

  30. He funds rural broadband by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    because the rural voters are a reliable source of votes for Republicans and, well, he's a Republican. Everything Ajit Pai (and his party) does is to further their own ends. Once in a blue moon those ends cross paths with someone besides themselves and their corporate masters. That shouldn't distract you from the overall fact that they're screwing us all over for profit.

    Some things in life really are black and white. Fact are facts. I'll say it again, this _is_ a partisan issue. The sooner you realize that the better.

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  31. Re:High standards, anyone? by will_die · · Score: 1

    Go read the actual report, the report does not say what is being reported here.
    Also it is not Pai making the claims being quoted.