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Original Pixel Phone Users Are Suing Google Over Microphone Defects (fastcompany.com)

Google is facing a lawsuit over the original Pixel. From a report: In a class action complaint filed this week, plaintiffs allege that the microphones in their Pixel and Pixel XL phones were defective from the start, and that Google knowingly sold defective phones amid widespread complaints immediately after launch. The lawsuit also claims that some warranty replacement phones continued to have problems, though neither of the named plaintiffs in the lawsuit had their phones repaired within Google's standard warranty period. Google acknowledged the Pixel phones' microphone issues in March 2017. An employee on Google's support forums attributed the problems to "a hairline crack in the solder connection on the audio codec," and said the problem can come and go depending on the temperature of the phone or the way it's being held.

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  1. Hairline Crack by Khyber · · Score: 3, Informative

    Most often caused by shitty cold solder joints being flexed. Learn to use the right fucking reflow temps and use enough solder paste.

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    1. Re:Hairline Crack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nah, just use #1 from the excuse notebook... Your holding it wrong.

    2. Re:Hairline Crack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real cause is poor QC.

      When you farm out manufacturing you end up spending a lot of time and money negotiating quality control levels, then verifying them to make sure you're not being swindled.

      It's a process Google hasn't been really good at and they're way to fast to slap their logo on products that aren't up to snuff. Even Samsung has been bitten and supposedly they make everything in-house!

    3. Re:Hairline Crack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus, shut up.

    4. Re:Hairline Crack by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1

      Or blame ROHS and not using leaded solder.

    5. Re:Hairline Crack by Khyber · · Score: 2

      Plenty of solders I use in jewelry making are RoHS and can withstand 180 degree bends.

      This is simply a shitty soldering job.

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    6. Re:Hairline Crack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly, the right course of action for the owners is to oven a pixel.

    7. Re:Hairline Crack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most often caused by shitty cold solder joints being flexed. Learn to use the right fucking reflow temps and use enough solder paste.

      Or better yet change the formula to a better paste.

    8. Re:Hairline Crack by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 1

      The accumulated evidence linking lead exposure in children to criminality later in life is overwhelming.

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    9. Re:Hairline Crack by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1

      Compared to the amount of heat and flux required to solder without lead (minute amounts as well)? It may be a tossup.

      Also add that rohs has made electronics more unreliable - which means more of this stuff ends up in landfills (without lead, but plenty of other harmful chemicals) I'm not totally positive its a good thing - or at the very least a slam dunk.

      Also lead free makes reworking way more difficult - the heat requirements for reworking bga components makes it pretty much impossible to do with lead free solder - or at the very least way more expensive and risky - which just means more junk for the landfill.

    10. Re:Hairline Crack by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 1

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      Nevertheless, they pale in comparison to the social costs of violent crime.

  2. Even if they win by sixsixtysix · · Score: 3, Funny

    the plaintiffs will just get an extra 5gb of storage.

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  3. You're holding it wrong ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and said the problem can come and go depending on the temperature of the phone or the way it's being held.

    Gee, now that sounds awfully familiar to me ...

    Basically everyone is so worried about getting products out the door they have no time for proper testing and ensuring that the product isn't crap, just as long as it gets out the door.

    This is why I refuse to be an early adopter ... let the fanbois and tech junkies be the guinea pigs. I have no need to be on the bleeding edge of technology.

    1. Re:You're holding it wrong ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "You're holding it wrong"

      Not just for iPhones anymore.

    2. Re:You're holding it wrong ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ya waiting for the lawsuit from apple about this.

    3. Re:You're holding it wrong ... by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I think it is also from Google trying to copy Apples keep it secrete until release day.
      While it is good way to get some early marketing buzz and more entertaining keynotes also to try to prevent an Osborne 2 problem where the hope of a future item will kill the sales of the existing one. In terms of user testing it really sucks. Because normal people under normal conditions will not be able to test out these products. An Apple or Google employee isn't a good sample of normal use, especially in thick cases to prevent the public for getting a good look at it. And under the general fear of getting fired if someone got a good look at the product. Means that people will be holding the device differently, they will not be bringing it to places where it may be used differently or take some hits and dips. Beyond the clinical scientific tests, which are measurable and can be reproduced.

       

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  4. really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "a hairline crack in the solder connection on the audio codec"

    try to make fucking sense please. A codec is software, not hardware.

    1. Re:really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You still have to properly solder your software.

    2. Re:really? by vux984 · · Score: 1

      A codec is an (en)coder/decoder; this can be done in hardware or software. There are plenty of 'codec chips' out there.

    3. Re:really? by kedearian · · Score: 1

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... a codec is a .. COder DECoder.. it can be software.. but it's also hardware.. such as electric pixies into caveman vibrations. below is an example of some of said hardware codecs. Do some research before talking about things you don't know anything about, mmmkay? https://www.maximintegrated.co...

    4. Re:really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The word "codec" means (en)coder/decoder. That can refer to a hardware or sofware encoder/decoder.

    5. Re:really? by vux984 · · Score: 1

      A codec is a device or computer program for encoding or decoding a digital data stream or signal.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      for example:

      http://www.ti.com/product/PCM3...

    6. Re:really? by omnichad · · Score: 0

      That's true, but it's probably still a DAC (and it would be a stretch to call it a codec).

    7. Re:really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The manufacturers of these chips call them codecs. The industry calls them codecs. They are in the kernel source tree as...you guessed it, codecs. This is not some random /. user or article author using incorrect terms. The fact that a codec chip might have a DAC in it is absolutely irrelevant. Why are you arguing something you have no clue about?

    8. Re:really? by omnichad · · Score: 0

      Citation? I go look at a place selling 5,000 units wholesale and it's called a DAC. The datasheet says DAC. Nothing on there says codec.

    9. Re:really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still wrong. Now stfu.

    10. Re:really? by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Product on Alibaba... description includes CODEC

      https://www.alibaba.com/produc...

      Even the Datasheet says it's a CODEC

      http://www.vlsi.fi/fileadmin/d...

    11. Re:really? by vux984 · · Score: 0

      QQ

    12. Re:really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why can't they just download a new soldering app to fix then? https://play.google.com/store/...

    13. Re:really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A codec chip can contain ADC, DAC, amplifiers, mixers, pre amp, among other components. Calling them a DAC is like calling a toaster oven a resistor. BTW, DAC doesn't make much sense going into a computer, whereas an ADC does...

  5. Had 3 of these phones by Tinfoil · · Score: 2

    I had 3 of the first gen pixels. All RMAs and returned and replaced before finally getting one that, so far, works fine and has been for a few months. All with random reboot & lockups, microphone & bluetooth issues.

    Still, I really do like this phone.

    1. Re:Had 3 of these phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet, if you had those experiences with an iPhone it would be all over the media and class action suits would be apprearing from every state in the Union.
      People are far more forgiving of Google. Beats me why. They are just as objectionable as Apple.

    2. Re:Had 3 of these phones by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      Yet, if you had those experiences with an iPhone it would be all over the media and class action suits would be apprearing from every state in the Union.
      People are far more forgiving of Google. Beats me why. They are just as objectionable as Apple.

      Price of success. Google sold a few million Pixels at the most optimistic. Apple sell hundreds of millions of iPhones.

    3. Re:Had 3 of these phones by DigitAl56K · · Score: 2

      Google's recent phones have all had problems:

      * Nexus 5X: Notorious for just dying by going into a cycle of endless reboots one day, totally out of the blue. Refurbed replacements do the exact same thing.
      * Nexus 6P: Notorious for battery issues where after 1-1.5 years of use it will just start shutting down with 25-30% battery remaining
      * Pixel: Notorious for microphones breaking

      The bizarre thing is that it seems rare for manufacturing rev's to happen, and with the Pixel's prices are high and price drops are rare (Play store still sells Pixel 1 for $549 base even today). They are trying to hold Apple-like prices on devices that have questionable quality issues. Fortunately Pixel 2 seems to be faring better, although Pixel 2 XL has been noted for LG's quality variance regarding the display viewing angle and burn-in. As an owner of some of these (mainly due to desiring a phone that gets regular security updates), Google appears very arrogant in their pricing.

    4. Re:Had 3 of these phones by Tinfoil · · Score: 2

      Exactly. I would love to have a phone from another manufacturer that has the software support Pixel has, but without the lousy build quality. The hardware support from Google is so absolutely horrible. The Nexus phones, those were never really marketed as a premium phone, but the Pixels definitely are and Google really needs to do better for their users.

    5. Re:Had 3 of these phones by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1
    6. Re:Had 3 of these phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      * Nexus 4: Poor thermal design.
      * Galaxy Nexus: Shitty Samsung AMOLED screen.
      * Nexus 7 gen1: Shitty charging circuit inside device, causing super slow charging. Shitty software too, but we are talking about hardware here.

    7. Re:Had 3 of these phones by Tinfoil · · Score: 1

      Absolutely agreed. I don't get it either.

  6. Fix the damn random rebooting! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now if only they'd acknowledge and fix the multiple random reboot issue that is currently plaguing the original Pixel and Pixel XL. It's been happening since the Oreo update, and some days will cause my phone to randomly reboot 20+ times/day. Their bug tracker is full of people with the same issue, but they're not acknowledging it at all. I love the phone otherwise.

    1. Re:Fix the damn random rebooting! by SScorpio · · Score: 1

      Have you tried RMAing your defective phone? It's difficult for them to fix something that's broken in hardware with just software. Just look at Intel.

    2. Re:Fix the damn random rebooting! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it started breaking after a software update, its safer to assume the software update did something wonky, and not that the hardware happened to break at just the same time, don't you think?

    3. Re:Fix the damn random rebooting! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Nexus5X hardware broke after a software update too. There was a class action suit over it. LG had to extend their warranty.

    4. Re: Fix the damn random rebooting! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was not a software update, it was a hardware failure and there was speculation that heat produced during updates could make it more likely to occur.

  7. Welcome Pixel Owners... by el_smurfo · · Score: 1

    ...Those of us with Nexus 6P phones have been enjoying bad microphones for several years.

    1. Re:Welcome Pixel Owners... by Dale512 · · Score: 1

      I have the same issue with my Nexus 5X. It doesn't happen consistently and if you can't reliably duplicate it then it is hard to try and fix it.

  8. Where's all the 'your holdin it wrong' bots? by Imazalil · · Score: 2

    Someone better add Google to the list (ok, a one-item list) of story key words their bot floods with 'you're holding it wrong derp derp' posts.

  9. Users are NOT suing. Law firms are. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    another class-action money grab by law firms setup to do this kind of thing repeatedly.

  10. Re:Users are NOT suing. Law firms are. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if they are victorious, the users will probably get a coupon for a free pint of ice cream. Meanwhile the law firms get millions.

  11. NEITHER of the plaintiffs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Neither implies "two". So two people filed a class action lawsuit because they had phone problems, neither of them used the warranty process to try and get the thing fixed, replaced or somehow get a refund? I could get it if you were going for some sort of "phone lemon law", but when you don't even try and use the warranty to get a replacement, then come on, you didn't even try and let the manufacturer make things right. How does that merit a lawsuit?

    1. Re:NEITHER of the plaintiffs? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Two plaintiffs and a known issue reported widely on the Internet is enough. Two plaintiffs, but the class would have more members than that.

      Both tried to contact Google under warranty:

      Dr. Weeks contacted Google on March 2, 2017 to report her microphone failure and
      seek assistance. A Google representative tried to troubleshoot the problems, but was unable to fix her
      phone. The Google representative acknowledged the phone was defective and admitted to Dr. Weeks
      that Google was aware of the problems.
      17. Dr. Weeks asked Google for her money back or for a new, non-defective replacement.
      Google refused.
      18. As a result of the microphone defect and Google’s failure to provide warranty service,
      Dr. Weeks no longer uses her Pixel and instead uses a replacement phone.

      Mr. Anbar contacted Google on January 23, 2018. Google refused to refund Mr.
      Anbar’s money or replace his phone with a non-defective model, and instead referred him to
      uBreakiFix—Google’s designated third-party repair provider—for paid repairs. After learning the
      repairs would cost as much as a brand new device, Mr. Anbar bought a replacement phone.

      Or just Read the filing yourself.

  12. Re:Users are NOT suing. Law firms are. by omnichad · · Score: 1

    It's Girard-Gibbs. The same firm involved in last week's article about the LG Bootloop arbitration case.

  13. Why is still a problem then? by MeNeXT · · Score: 2

    If they knew about the issue back in March 2017 why is it a problem with the Pixel 2 and XL in February 2018. The headphone dongle supplied with the Pixel 2 is not fit for the purpose sold. The pixel 2 was also defective from the release. It seems that the Google brand of phones has difficulty being a phone. Their forums a filled with people having issues and the only solution that is offered is that you buy yourself another phone so you can send your current phone in for a replacement which may or most likely not fix the problem.

    Now there are people here who are going to argue that the Pixel problems are not the same as the Pixel 2 problems but the Nexus line didn't have issues with the microphone or headphones and you would think that the fix would come from a tested solution than an untested one. Both Pixel and Pixel 2 were released before they were ready and at the the price that this should never have been an issue.

    It has a great camera but if I wanted to carry around a second camera it would be my DSLR not my Pixel 2.

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  14. What the fuck happened? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We used to live in a world where we actually built things and went places. Now we are clogging up the courts filing lawsuits because of our stupid cellphones not operating exactly how we want them to. And hell. We used to live in a world where a company as big as Google could figure out something as simple as a solder connection to a single device on their logic board and would give a fuck enough to fix the problem for people to protect their reputation.

    Seemingly overnight people have turned into weak willed lazy greedy fucks. What's worse is it's socially acceptable now too. Lets hope that we don't face a real challenge anytime soon. Everybody will be too busy paying attention to their phones and social media to even care.

  15. Google hardware quality is shit by burningcpu · · Score: 1

    See comment. Avoid Google hardware. That company doesn't have the clarity of thought required to oversee the production of reliable devices, reliably, as demonstrated via like every device they've produced.

  16. What's the problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have an original Pixel. Love it. I did encounter this issue and upon contacting support Google replaced it immediately under warranty as soon as they were able to diagnose the issue. The original device lasted about 6 months before the problem came up. The replacement they sent, which they said would not be subject to the same defect has been running smoothly ever since.

  17. or the way it's being held by sit1963nz · · Score: 1

    Queue the "Holding it wrong" jokes.

  18. Re:Users are NOT suing. Law firms are. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's how it's supposed to work. That's market principles applied to justice. No different than a brick-layer offering to lay your brick patio for you and bill you insurance after it's damaged by a covered loss. The reason lawsuits are despised by large businesses and people who's living depends on their ability to scam people is that lawsuits are a way for the consumer to force them to comply with the law.

  19. After the LG G4... by The_Revelation · · Score: 1

    I was so happy to throw money at Google for their new Pixel phone, until I discovered it was being manufactured by LG. LG seem to have lost their momentum after the LG G3, with newer models being so defective as to not bother with, I couldn't justify another handset from this manufacturer. I wish Huwai made more stuff like the Nexus 6P

    1. Re:After the LG G4... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All i know is Hawaii was never good at anything but pineapples and lo-sodium Spam on pizza, and volcanoes.

  20. Re:y0u F4i1 if by Maritz · · Score: 1

    Oh, shut up you boring cunt.

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