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Twitter Asks For Help Fixing Its Toxicity Problem (engadget.com)
Engadget: Twitter has come under a lot of fire in recent years for issues ranging from not doing enough to stop harassment on its platform to allowing foreign actors to sow political discord. In the past, the company has tweaked its tools, giving individuals more options when it comes to controlling what they're exposed to online, as well as updated its guidelines a handful of times. But today, Twitter announced it's trying out another route -- asking people outside of the company to propose ways that it can promote healthy, open and civil conversations online. Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey tweeted today that the company isn't proud of how some have taken advantage of its service, specifically calling out troll armies, misinformation campaigns and bots. And he added that Twitter has been accused of apathy, censorship and political bias as it has attempted to fix its problems.
asks the rest of us to solve their problems. Bravo.
"Toxic" is awfully poetic and hyperbolic.
The leftists keep reaching for new ways to describe how awful it is when their feelings are hurt, and they are tearing the language to shreds as they do it.
Perhaps it would be best of Twitter really was toxic.
That would solve the problem..
You are talking about a platform which has a character limit and has many anonymous individuals and where people can post without thinking. Any one of those by itself can lead to problems. All three together? They all contribute in the same direction: emotion and insult over calm and careful discussion.
This time he will strike us all down for our impunity.
And “toxic” to the left and right on many social media sites.
Most social media suffers from that because the way they function are a popularity contest and you get more likes when being a cunt towards outside your group and being a decent human being.
But Twitter’s format are even worse because it is best suited for short snarky comments.
So basically, they're going after the Trump base.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Want to get rid of the toxicity? Start by firing Anita Sarkeesian from Google's so-called “Trust and Safety Council.” Twitter's politically unbalanced, SJW-inspired suspensions and shadowbans are destroying Twitter shareholder value.
Clean your own house first. Then you can start worrying about the "toxicity" of others.
(What, no story about the outage?)
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The peak outrage period from the Google censorship rampage has passed, it's finally safe to re-enable posting!
Find some pragmatism, fast.
You are telling a criminal organization to clean its house.
No, WE have to clean house. This corporate plutocracy is aiming to destroy our society completely, and they are not going to leave peacefully.
Civil war is inevitable.
The leftists mostly have commented here as anonymous cowards while the more conservative replies are from logged in folks. Says a lot.
Just ban System of a Down from Twitter, all your Toxicity posts will go away!
... my hayday was the 90s, I'm lost on this shit.
And obviously the reality is that there are 92 genders.
And that some of the special characters, taken from alphabets like Telugu, that we have to use to represent them in the gender identification string are crashing computers.
Maybe they can try to be more like Slashdot where the comments are always civil. : p
And that's exactly the problem right there. Politically driving assholes trying to use their positions of power to suppresses view points they don't like.
After all, a clearly laid out TOS that get's evenly reinforced would solve 90% of your problems. But the moment when you begin to give an unaccoutable secretive group of enforces power over the rest of the platform you will eventually end up with some levels of abuse.
'Toxicity', 'Problematic'... these are code words for feeling-hurting speech. They're asking how they can have a kumbaya and a feeling-fest? Well, obviously, make it non-anonymous first. Then make people have to verify their identity to join and post, then finally make them show their democratic voting card. Oh, wait, if you make people actually verify themselves on Twitter, that would wipe out 70% of the accounts and expose the over-inflated user counts that Twitter boasts to it's investors. You can't have your cake and eat it too Twitter.
The same EPR (Earned Public Reputation) that could improve Slashdot could be used to improve Twitter. I even wrote up a proposal in their weird system. However I'm not holding my breath waiting for Twitter to become useful.
AtAJG, DSAuPR.
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
He said SJW, hurrrrrrr
Do the world a favour and shut it down.
People can always feel offended. Misinformation spread always. But when one try to stop misinformation via censorship, it is just authority brand's misinformation that spreads and rulers' heart that got protected, while the people suffer.
A lot of people misunderstand what Twitter's goal is. They are not trying to 4chan without the doxing and porn. They actually want to get rid of the Nazis and are looking for ways to do it effectively. Most of their users don't want Nazis there, believe it or not.
I know, I know, what about free speech and the marketplace of ideas? It's a question of the greater good. Look at Reddit, it got a lot better when most of the really nasty stuff was pushed on to Voat. That's the reality here, if you want really good discussions and debates then there has to be some limit on the trolling and abuse or most people just won't participate and it becomes a fat-hating, Jew gassing echo chamber. A lot like Gab.ai, for example.
No one has come up with a solution to this yet. Maybe there isn't one. Maybe it's not actually a huge problem either. Look at the alt-right in America. They took fringe ideas on the very far right and mainstreamed them. It's proof that simply not giving Nazis a platform doesn't stop nationalist ideas from being discussed and seeping into the mainstream when there is enough support for them. It actually seems like the marketplace of ideas is working quite well.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
To have any suggestions to improve it.... only twits use twitter... sorry.
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Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Only then anyone will consider Twitte's intents seriously.
Hard to be not civil when the site is broken for a whole week.
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Quit catering to pussies. Let people block and then quit trying to censor people into being Stepford users online. If someone doesn't like something some mean person says, they can block. Otherwise stay the hell out of people's way. Trying to cram everybody into the snowflake generation will never be easy, will never work well and will always screw someone out of an opinion.
Most of their users don't want Nazis there, believe it or not.
Most of their users don't want fuckwits that post #PunchANazi or #KillAllMen on there either, but those are the cunts Twitter chose to run their Trust and Safety Council.
if you want really good discussions and debates then there has to be some limit on the trolling and abuse
So why don't Twitter act to prevent it - from all sides on the political debates.
Some countries have a disproportionately small allocation of IPv4 address space. Home ISPs in those countries may put hundreds of subscribers behind one IP address using so-called carrier-grade network address translation (CGNAT). Cellular ISPs worldwide use CGNAT as well.
On the other hand... his twitter gaffes do, sometimes anyway, provide a little comic relief from the onslaught of bad news coming out of DC.
Now back to my morning covfefe.
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Most of their users don't want fuckwits that post #PunchANazi or #KillAllMen on there either, but those are the cunts Twitter chose to run their Trust and Safety Council.
Would be more convincing if you named them, perhaps with a link to when they said those things.
Having said that, I'm not sure punching Nazis is all that objectionable.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Oh, fuck you.
The President of the United States is openly defending Nazis and promoting child molesters for public office
Hyperbole much? Your post is 100% indicative of the problem. One side can state what you say above, and it's all A-OK. Say anything you don't agree with and it should be banned. You don't want a free discussion of ideas, you want a rigid ideology and limited conversation.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
Here's the thing that has to really scare Silicon Valley: back on February 17, 2011, President Obama (along with his most trusted adviser, Valerie Jarrett) held a private dinner in San Francisco. Among those in attendance were the then-CEO's of Apple, Cisco Systems, Facebook, Google, Netflix, Oracle Systems, Twitter and Yahoo! (there is even a picture of a dinner toast from that dinner published by the White House press office).
We're not sure what was privately discussed at that dinner, but if we find out a "gentlemen's agreement" was made by these companies to censor the political Right with Obama's personal approval, then all eight companies I mentioned could be subject to a First Amendment lawsuit because the companies engaged in censorship with the blessing of the US Government.
Ahh, yes. Tell us how Ms. Clinton is so pure for having hundreds of Top Secret and Classified e-mails on an unsecured server, whilst others in the Government are jailed for 6 photos. ANY reasonable person would have concluded she should have at least been charged, if not convicted, of gross negligence for the handling of sensitive information.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
Like much of the American public, I wish you guys would shut up about her emails already.
If you want to talk about something relevant: Hillary sent hired Brock-puppets out on the net to try to manipulate public opinion during the 2016 primary--
Am I the last person in the United States who remembers this and finds it offensive? Yes, it sucks that the Russian can manipulate "social media" (maybe: "anti-social media"), but it isn't a Good Thing when someone else does it, either.
Considering that 2012 was an election year, I'm pretty sure it was:
Glad to solve this one for you.
Oh, I remember about her doing that. But that is not illegal. Keeping classified and top secret information on your own personal computers IS illegal. I'd rather we start with actual crimes before we break down to "I don't like it so I should complain about it" things that you may feel are in poor form - but are completely legal.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
If one tolerates bad manners, they grow worse. Our pleasant habitat could decay into the sort of slum Elli-Five is, with crowding and unmannerly behavior and unnecessary noise and impolite language. I must find the oaf who did this thing, explain to him his offense, give him a chance to apologize, and kill him.
Really? Hand on... nope, still liberal. Oh well, try again.
Yeah, maybe it was illegal, maybe it wasn't, and maybe it was a technical violation that no one in their right mind would care about and maybe it wasn't, the point isn't relevant. It has nothing to do with anything in the present discussion, and it has nothing to do with anything actually going on in the present-day world because HILLARY IS NOT PRESIDENT.
Getting the government to be more or less fussy about transparency rules and/or classified information (if any) will not fix social media.
On the other hand, a filter that drops idjits and shills that try to drag discussions off into rat-holes, that would actually be a feature worth having.
No need for all of Twitter's abusive censorship.
Too stupid to have any real thoughts. So just parrots memes.
But censors even the most moderate conservatives.
Conservatives have been banned for opinions, and facts. Even when done so in perfectly polite manner.
Tweets promoting killing Trump, killing all police, and killing all whites, are all over twitter.
The problem Twitter has is the same problem inherent to every platform (Slashdot, Reddit included) which ascribes value to any statement/opinion based on what people think of it. Any such upvote/downvote/trending/retweet/like system tends to select the *popular* opinion, not the correct solution.
Now it would be all good if this was done by automated bots and computers who run multiple simulations to check objective validity and then in some statistical measure determine that the solution supported by the maximum number of simulation runs is likely to be the correct one. This does not hold true when humans (flawed, emotion and biased in a myriad ways) determine what gets spread.
In short, there is no hope.
Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem.
Nice idea, but Trump draws a lot of attention and that's what Twitter's advertisers want. Maybe ban advertising? No, seriously, wouldn't life be so much better without ads constantly telling us how inadequate we are?
Debate is a form of harassment. Do not question my truth.
Twitter can do what it wants - it's a private company. When the Government starts censorship - that's an issue. And when the Government has one set of rules for us and another set for our "superiors" - THAT is a huge problem. Some animals are more equal than others, and it always seems those on the political left prefer it that way.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
They actually want to get rid of the Nazis and are looking for ways to do it effectively.
Yes, because there totally is a real problem with 1930s style socialism loving German nationalist on Twitter. Oh, of course I know that's what you mean. What you mean to say that everyone you don't agree with is Hitler.
Hey, if you're going to go full blown Godwin's law right off the bat that I'm not going to treat you with any respect or credibly. Especially when you're going to start citing every single retarded trope and accusation against other communities and platforms that the left has declared to be 'literally Hitler'. Hell, I don't even like most social media. Twitter, Gab, or Reddit. Some parts of 4Chan are fun, but I don't actually like Nazi memes. They're kind of dumb.
But as a final point I'll also point out that the idea of no-platforming any social out-group has literally zero chance of working in the long run. You'll just drive them underground and build more more social resentment towards to the point you actually end up invigorating these extremest groups. It's just basic human psychology.
I'm pretty sure he meant the white supremacists pretty much everyone has been calling Nazis for well over half a century. Except you and some other weird Slashdotters of late who have suddenly decided now's the time to insist there's some meaningful difference between the various groups normally put under that umbrella.
And he's right. Pretty much nobody (outside of the Nazis themselves) wants Nazis on Twitter, and they're there, and given the extremism, and the consequences of that extremism, most Twitter users would rather they not be on Twitter. The question is how best to make that happen.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
So far as I can tell, the real reason fake progressive running dogs hate President Trump SO DAMNED MUCH is because he is openly pro-worker.
Now Slashdot got invaded by enough alt-right to drive off people like me who didn't want to read self-entitled hating teenagers. So that might need to be taking into account.
(Reading /. for the 3rd time in 2 years.)
I meant literal Nazis. They kindly wear swastikas to make themselves more easily identifiable.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Not sure if that qualifies as a request for additional details on the suggestion, but I admit that it's a touchy point. I don't think it would be good to use such dimensions as conservative versus progressive or gun friendly versus anti-gun. Basically a can of worms, but it also reflects my philosophy that I want to be open to differing perspectives as long as they aren't coming from a intellectually dishonest Sophist, a crooked salesperson, or some other flavor of liar.
I tend to think that Slashdot should have a block function for personally annoying nuisances, perhaps as an option on the Foe status. However I generally think that a moderate bias in favor of positive EPR would be sufficient to block most of the noise, and I might want to bump it up higher. For example, I favor funny people, though I think that dimension should be adjusted to a broader label, something like "makes me happy" versus "makes me sad". In general the group aspects of Slashdot are weak, but I sort of count that in Slashdot's favor...
Two other areas of interest... The first might be called contagious or predictive filtering. If some identity resembles identities that I've already reacted against, then that's a reason to reduce their visibility. (If you're a friendly guy who likes newbies or a masochist who likes feeding the trolls, then you could adjust your settings that way to make them more visible.)
The second would be the idea of "self-discreditation". For example, that could be done with a visibility check when someone starts a reply. If the person who wants to write the reply has a relatively low EPR such that the reply will not be seen by the OP, then there would be a warning and suggestion to comment somewhere else (such as the top level of the discussion), but if the low-EPR person insists on replying anyway, then it would get a self-discrediting prefix on the reply, something like "Not a sincere reply and not seen by the OP."
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
Nothing. Nova hasn't posted since January, but in his/her 2 posts today there are 3 links to their own blog... so we can assume they will take any excuse to put in a plug.
Teach children reading/listening comprehension and the problem will go away.
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Allow me to quote the article under discussion:
Taking Jack Dorsey at his word, what can Twitter possibly do to reign in these problems and still remain Twitter? I would suggest the answer is next-to-nothing.
So we need something better than Twitter