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YouTube Hiring For Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Men, Lawsuit Says (theverge.com)
Kirsten Grind and Douglas MacMillan report via The Wall Street Journal (Warning: source may be paywalled; alternative source): YouTube last year stopped hiring white and Asian males for technical positions because they didn't help the world's largest video site achieve its goals for improving diversity, according to a civil lawsuit filed by a former employee. The lawsuit, filed by Arne Wilberg, a white male who worked at Google for nine years, including four years as a recruiter at YouTube, alleges the division of Alphabet's Google set quotas for hiring minorities. Last spring, YouTube recruiters were allegedly instructed to cancel interviews with applicants who weren't female, black or Hispanic, and to "purge entirely" the applications of people who didn't fit those categories, the lawsuit claims.
A Google spokeswoman said the company will vigorously defend itself in the lawsuit. "We have a clear policy to hire candidates based on their merit, not their identity," she said in a statement. "At the same time, we unapologetically try to find a diverse pool of qualified candidates for open roles, as this helps us hire the best people, improve our culture, and build better products." People familiar with YouTube's and Google's hiring practices in interviews corroborated some of the lawsuit's allegations, including the hiring freeze of white and Asian technical employees, and YouTube's use of quotas.
A Google spokeswoman said the company will vigorously defend itself in the lawsuit. "We have a clear policy to hire candidates based on their merit, not their identity," she said in a statement. "At the same time, we unapologetically try to find a diverse pool of qualified candidates for open roles, as this helps us hire the best people, improve our culture, and build better products." People familiar with YouTube's and Google's hiring practices in interviews corroborated some of the lawsuit's allegations, including the hiring freeze of white and Asian technical employees, and YouTube's use of quotas.
More great work from people who champion intolerance and discrimination in the name of abolishing intolerance and discrimination.
Here's the easy solution to this problem. Don't include information on race, gender, etc. on employment applications and you don't have to worry about excluding people because HR or hiring personnel are bigoted, whether actively or unconsciously. If it gets the point of the interview and you've still got people being biased or discriminatory, then you've got bigger problems because at that point there's no excuse for falling back on some preconceived notions as everyone who makes it there should be qualified to work at your company or your screening process sucks.
Anything else is going to create a perception of unfairness regardless of what kind of noble intentions you might have. One thing that always astounds me is that the people who constantly bang on about white or male privilege and how that provides unfair benefits for some always seem to want to enact policy that enshrines unfairness as a fundamental concept. If you think that unfair treatment results in people being dissatisfied or outright disgruntled, then why the hell would you think that actively creating unfair conditions wouldn't result in the same conditions. To some degree I think this is partially (among a great many other things) responsible for the rise in what's been called the alt-right and has played a part in why someone like Trump was able to win the election.
So blatant discrimination against people who are 1. Male; 2. White/Asian (I can't tell THOSE PEOPLE apart!) is perfectly fine.
However, SOME OF THEM COULD BE GAY!
That means Youtube DISCRIMINATED AGAINST GAY PEOPLE.
You know who else did that? NAZIS! Therefore Youtube is full of LITERAL NAZIS and physically attacking them and censoring Youtube's content is now an OK activity.
I think this has gone too far. Fighting for equality of opportunities is one thing but being racist to achieve it is another.
Reverse racism is simply racism it doesn't matter what group in targeted. Social justice isn't justice. Feminism is not about equality anymore it doesn't care about other genders it's only about women. People fought long hard against racism and inequality. The last thing we need is to find new victims (ie. Men, Caucasians and Asians this time around) .
You're a WHITE MALE!
Youtube / Google brought this on themselves -- they got so rich and full of ideals (and swept up in the fad of corporations becoming social change agents) that they tried to turn a workplace into some utopian college campus where all ideas are free to be debated on company servers. It's a workplace. Stop debating the world's problems. trying to "make the world a better place", and do work, for godssake. Maybe, by the way, this is a signal that Google has a few too many people with free time on their hands to get themselves into trouble.
The current political climate is that the law incoherently calls for contradictory inputs and outcomes (and frankly from my point of view, is poorly written), and anyone who opens their mouth or makes an overt deal to call out any of the inconsistencies or even implement the law can get sued, from either side. So the smarter choice is to shutup about it while you're at work, advocate for change as your personal hobby at home, and leave your employer out of it. There's a reason the tired old rule exists about not talking politics or religion in polite company.
Maybe this cautionary tale will help people remember (bosses and employees) to focus on work, and not drag everyone or invite social / political action where it's inappropriate, and remember that you work at will for a corporation that may not have your interests at heart.
In 2015 I interviewed with a startup for a solutions architect position. When the HR lady asked me if, at my age (then late 50s), I could keep up with younger co workers and customers I literally laughed in her face. I'm graying, Asian and male - at every customer meeting in the past 5 years or so, the customer communicated directly with me to the exclusion of the millennials and 40-somethings on my team. Why? Because they've been unconsciously programmed to think the older white/Asian males are somehow the faces of experience and authority. Now we find tech seeking to limit hiring of these same faces. I'd maybe accept the diversity angle if the glaring truth of "minorities/women/H-1B hires get paid less" wasn't so easy to see. YT is simply looking for cheaper talent, and dissing white/Asian men is the easy button.
I think we can all agree that Google and YouTube probably did this. If they didn’t do this exactly, they're basically saying they'd like to do it if they could get away with it.
All applicants to Google and YouTube should say they "identify" as a lesbian refugee from Honduras named "Sofia Espinoza". After you're hired, you can say you had an epiphany and you now "identify" as who you were born as. You can change it back to Sofia the week before performance reviews. If they doubt you, call them racist and transphobic.
that the white male is the most unemployable person.
or how is it?
i think Abc will have to bite the bullet on this as it is pretty clear that it really is discriminating against white men now...
This is only the beginning, Races are not equal and as long as we are forced to live together the smarter population will always outperform the lesser. The 'group' identity will see this as oppression and demand special treatment which the more successful group will rightfully object to...
Then to make matters worse,less intelligent people don't know better to not have fewer children, so after a generation or so the idiocracy only strengthens and with a democracy the masses vote away all the hard and superior work of the better(literally) class.
You'll notice most Asian nations and Israel dont' allow permanent immigration .. They know the deal, and what do you know, a standard deviation or so higher in IQ on average than Europeans.
Don't believe it? Look it up. "IQ by nation", then who lives there, IQ itself is most studied accurate representation of success.. and so on.. Sure theres other studies that try to refute this, but they are unsupported social hogwash.
Then theres crime propensity and who wants to live 'with/next' to that...
IMO, Solution? Voluntary societies with no outside ownership.. Then at least one could only directly blame themselves or access to resources(which if always divided somewhat equally might not be a problem).
YouTube chose the cast of Star Trek Discovery.
No skilled I.T. grads?
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And of course, the people who actually built youtube probably didn't worry about this kind of nonsense. It's only when the company has entrenched itself and is big enough that the idiots who perpetrate this can afford to pull off this discrimination in the name of anti-discrimination. If this were a tiny startup and these morons tried to forego good applicants based on race, they'd fail and deserve it.
Interestingly, this parallels Google. In the beginning, people like Brin and Page were actually innovators, and deserved to see their company grow. But now that Google pretty much has a monopoly on search (yes, there are a few competitors, just like in the OS market of the 90s), all these idiots at Google (who seem to be more concerned about looking "anti-racist" than doing their jobs competently) have free rein to peddle this odious view.
We have a clear policy to hire candidates based on their merit, not their identity. At the same time, we unapologetically try to find a diverse pool of qualified candidates for open roles
Similarly, everything before “At the same time” is bull.
Soon there won't be any jobs in tech for white and asian men.
The lawsuit also alleges that Alphabet/Google/YouTube, instead of fixing their illegal hiring practices, just deleted the internal documentation, continued with the practices, and told everyone to keep it on the qt.
It reminds me of s story about a university student who was being harassed by members of the faculty. When presented with the evidence of the harassment (such as harassing e-mails), the university counsel didn't advise the faculty to stop harassing the student but advised that the faculty stop using e-mail to coordinate the harassment.
And the beat goes on...
"We have a clear policy to hire candidates based on their merit, not their identity,"
Google / YouTube / Alphabet thinks it can get away with this practice because they support the current California left wing administration.
They will find out they are quite wrong to discriminate against applicants due to racial background, gender, or skin color.
In any case, I refuse to use their products until they change their racism, sexism, and gender bias. That means dumping Android, Google Search, YouTube, and Gmail. I have no problem because there are other options out there.
Whites and slants are racist motherfuckers!
I'm a gay immigrant. I decided long ago that I don't want to work for companies that want to discriminate against me, and I'm not going to use nondiscrimination laws to force them too. Why would I want to work for a homophobic or xenophobic company? Why would I want to help them succeed in business?
The same is also true for YouTube and Google. They might make an exception for a nominally white male if he is gay and an immigrant like me, but I am not going to make an exception for them.
Another person born on second base blames others when he can simply walk to third
A Google-CodeCademy award program offered $1,000 bonuses to teachers who got 10 or more high school kids to take a JavaScript course, but only counted students from "groups traditionally underrepresented in computer science (girls, or boys who identify as African American, Latino, American Indian or Alaska Native)."
Were Jews counted as white for the purposes of denying employment based on skin color?
They forgot about hiring black female lesbians, black cannibals from Papua and Niger, and black Pygmies. All female, and all hungry for some flesh.
So maybe - maybe - Google could, on injest, anonymize name, address and email. Kinda like what Lyft does , but with first name and voice as well.
This wouldn't ensure that whites and asians get walked to the 'special' interview room, but would make it a lot harder to toss up front.
With that said, given the antics surfaced in the Danmore suit, there's no way that's happening at Google.
as always with a mega corp follow the money. This is all about cheaper labor. Women _are_ underrepresented in tech. The 'whys' of that aren't important to Google. What matters is there's an entire half of the population that could be trained up to work for them (thereby depressing wages and lowering costs) and isn't.
Me? I made damn sure my kid didn't go into tech. Sure, any job can be over taken, but tech is one of the cheapest to train and therefore easiest to outsource to poorer countries where wages are lower. Again, it's all about money. Ideals never factor into it. Cold hard cash does.
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Are they talking about asians or orientals? Just looking out for our British friends...
If that upsets you, go smoke a fag and realize that not all cultures use the same word in the same way - your bigotry is showing.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
to think you can be excluded for race of ability, its pure Nazi era thinking!
1) White men (and east asian men if I remember right) build something useful and successful
2) Then blue haired feminist, blacks, latinos, lgbtaddaletterforyourpreferredsexualdeviance take over because of MUH feeling (and thanks to masochist laws)
News at eleven.
I don't discriminate against YouTube when using my ad blocker.
How about those white and asian males bugger off and find (or found) other companies to do the same thing without the whiners? If anyone else wants to come with, sure, welcome. But racial and genderist percentages are not a hiring goal and never will be. The only criterion is whether you are getting the job done.
I'm especially interested to see whether google et al. can survive if the people that get the work done walk out.
In 1906 an Indian man named Bhagat Singh Thinde made the crazy argument that he was White, (He argued he was from a high caste, despised low caste people, had enough prejudice in him to qualify as White. No one was offended by that argument, but Judge Sutherland, SCOTUS, ruled that he was Caucasian but not white ;-)).
They worked steadily, played by the rules of the game, concentrated on getting ahead personally. No long marches demanding equality, no serious law suits alleging discrimination, ... Over the years they are punching 10 times their weight. 2% of the general population, 20% of top STEM grads, 20% of Intel scholarships and 99% of top spelling bee and 85% of top geography bee ...
Yes, they had to much better than general population to get there. Asian kids need to score 150 points more than the White kids in SAT to get into the top colleges. Yes, the average Asian kid is suffering and is in stress because the expectation is set so high by the other Asian kids. But these are the problems of success, ....
I do hear complaints of discrimination among my friends, but it is more like to be something like, "I am the senior most nephrologist with much better publication record and I should have been named the head, but they gave the post to some White Guy. Anyway chairmanship involves mostly talking to the donors and getting projects from the pharma companies, so I don't care"... sour grape syndrome?
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
This racism and sexism and censorship is nothing but fascism.
Meritocracy.
I'm torn on this one. On the one hand, I think hiring should be a meritocracy, and the best qualified candidate is hired regardless of any other consideration. On the other hand, we live in a world of racist bigots who would never even consider hiring someone based on their race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. Statistically, as just one example, the unemployment rate among african americans is significantly higher than the national average. The only plausible explanation for such a thing, is if there are people rejecting african american applicants based on their race.
On a more practical level, at least in California's Fair Employment and Housing Act, there is an explicit exception carved out for things done in the name of affirmative action. So, not really sure this lawsuit is going to go anywhere, and I kind of think the guy managed to find himself something of an ambulance chaser of a lawyer who is happy to take his money even though he knows full well the case was doomed before it was even filed. Now if the guy is filing the lawsuit as a means of drawing attention to an issue, my hat goes off to him for being willing to put up the money in order to get the media attention.
And finally, I just have to say how it's funny to see the people who deride others for being "snowflakes" and "SJW" now doing exactly the same thing. I know it makes it easier to dismiss people you don't agree with by slapping some kind of label on them so they are no longer an individual, rather a member of some faceless group with oversimplified beliefs, but that is precisely the problem. If we spent that same energy in trying to understand some of the nuances to the different sides of the issue, we might actually get somewhere.
We all know they do this. They all but admit it, that is when they aren't being sued for it.
It's a modern form of mass hysteria.
Study shows that equally low income Asian kids do far better on standardized testing than their classmates in the same bracket. They do as well or better than the generally white upper income kids. The upper income kids prosper / read: get into the good middle and secondary schools, based more on interviews and networking. The lower class Asian kids do twice as much homework as the Caucasians and four times as much as the other minority students on average. This is my experience as a teacher of middle school kids. The Asian immigrant parents generally really push core subjects.
I get the liberal social engineering project to right previous historical wrongs but where it goes wrong is, by not addressing core economic issues, it becomes a zero sum game. For this kid to get into school this other kid with better grades / test scores has to be put with the less academically oriented kids. Liberals are very loud about diversity until you mention their kid going to the ghetto school to even out the playing field. The non-identity-politics left understands that the problem is one part economic exploitation, one part culture. If dad plays video games all day it's not the fault of the school that the kid can't read.
Unfortunately, demographically, this country is divided between liberals and "conservatives" (or whatever their calling themselves during Trump). Most of the already small left in this country is getting their identity oppression Olympics on with outrage fueled doctrine temper tantrums. This unfortunately makes any real education reform very hard as the identity police refuse to accept the cultural side of the problem. It will also make any reasonable solution regarding firearms impossible as the right will refuse for tribal reasons to budge an inch and eventually a liberal / centrist (read: old time Republican) coalition will retake the Federal government and swing much too far on gun control. Then a bunch of old white guys who have spent their lifetimes building arsenals will howl and a limited number will reenact Waco. Which in itself may not be a bad thing, cull the herd.
Hiding is not a problem, there are platforms dedicated to it, but the problem is, it won't work, since thee reason for disparity is NOT biased hiring process.
Blind recruitment trial to boost gender equality making things worse, study reveals
It is comical we even mention HR bias in the context of the lawsuit.
In 1906 an Indian man named Bhagat Singh Thinde made the crazy argument that he was White, (He argued he was from a high caste, despised low caste people, had enough prejudice in him to qualify as White.
You are making stuff up. Indians belong to Caucasian race, race is not always about skin color.
A Google-CodeCademy award program offered $1,000 bonuses to teachers who got 10 or more high school kids to take a JavaScript course, but only counted students from "groups traditionally underrepresented in computer science (girls, or boys who identify as African American, Latino, American Indian or Alaska Native)."
Google is sexist racist scum. They know full well by teaching JavaScript they are precluding any possible future of these students perusing any kind of successful programming career.
As my company continues to grow, my response to these insane zealots will always be the same. I hire people based on skill. I don't give a fuck what color your skin is or what's between your legs. That means, in the tech industry, in the US, my employee demographics are going to roughly mirror the tech industries demographics, predominantly male, and white. That's not prejudice, that's reality. It drives me insane that these idiots only laud "diversity" if it biological, and unchangeable, yet they almost always demand singleness of mind as far as politics and philosophy. They've completely lost the plot. Diversity, inasmuch as it should matter to a company, is all about diversity of thought. Thought is no prisoner of race, sex, or gender.
"Identify as"? That's great news, since you don't have to technically be a group to identify as that group anymore.
People should remember that Google is not a single entity. it is a huge company with branches all over the place. While the corporate types may dream of unified policies, it is entirely possible that some parts of Google are run by extreme progressives (i.e., no whites or asians need apply), while other parts may be dominated by a different atmosphere.
The bottom line should be: hire people based on their capabilities, not their plumbing, eye color, or other irrelevant characteristics. If it turns out that clusters form, with some irrelevant characteristics clustering in certain areas, that's maybe a matter for sociologists to study, but it is otherwise unimportant.
Enjoy life! This is not a dress rehearsal.
(summary of the quote from the article summary):
"We hire based on talent and qualifications. We also ensure diversity in our labor force."
These two statements are mutually exclusive. Unless race and gender count as "qualifications," that is.
Races are a little arbitrary in how finely you draw the dividing lines.
As an example, in the US, we would casually consider anyone native to sub Saharan Africa to be "black". Yet within that population, you have East Africans (Ethiopia), West Africans (Nigeria), pygmies, and San (South African Bushmen). (I may even have left a group out by ignorance.) They are instantly recognizable as different, yet we lump them all under the same umbrella.
East Indians may be considered "Caucasian", but that is only under a -very- broad categorization of race: typically one where you only have a few races for the entire world. That is so broad that I don't think it's useful if a black-skinned Dravidian man from Chennai is considered to be of the same race as a Swedish man.
Seems pretty easy to prove whether or not this is the case. Just look at who has been hired the past year for the positions.
Not hiring the best people regardless of PC bullshit will continue to result in the decline of the quality of their offerings well into the future. Thanks, Silly Valley. I guess I will continue to seek out alternatives that are legitimately an alternative, elsewhere.
We've already established that the majority of "tech" is currently male. If you want more women just allow some of the qualified men to become qualified women. If diversity is a goal, offer to foot the bill for gender reassignment surgery. Its not unprecedented, Alexia Massalin is a renowned computer scientist that pioneered the concept of superoptimization, invented "quajects" and developed the innovative Sythesis kernel who was formerly known as Henry Massalin.
Anyone up for suing the local hospital based on gender discrimination against males?
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I don't think it's useful if a black-skinned Dravidian man from Chennai is considered to be of the same race as a Swedish man.
You dont care. But in the Chennai politics the high caste Dravidian man is denounced as an Aryan white supremacist johnny-come-lately. Not just you, no one can tell the high and low caste people apart, but with clues like names, religious markings, the sacred thread, they can tell who is Aryan and who is not.
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> Races are a little arbitrary in how finely you draw the dividing lines.
In biological terms, they're completely arbitrary.
Read the Bell Curve. It's a fact, Asians have higher IQ than whites/blacks, etc. Plus work ethic and culture are big factors.
The only saving grace for me (a white male) is that I am mostly Finnish and a laplander (which means I have a mix of asian DNA thanks to Ghengis Khan)
My IQ was also tested at over 150 and I studied Physics/EE in college.
My daughters are mostly asian (my wife is Asian). Getting into college for them is much harder than it was for me. The schools cap the number of asians they will allow each freshman cycle and the SAT/ACT scores of those that apply are all 99.9% percentile.
To have work/study so hard and be so smart only to be rejected so they can allow someone who just walks in based on the color of their skin, that is PURE RACISM. I don't care if you think its "reverse" racism.
I went to college with a TON of international students. I hung out with a large group of kids from India (they loved me and declared me an honorary brown person lol). Anyway, the kids from India insisted that me calling chinese folks asian wasn't correct. THEY (the indians) were asian and the chinese were oriental. A distinction they drilled into me and i carry now over 10 years later. Is that what you mean by asian? Or do you mean the typical US definition of asian?
Probably they mean "people from Asia," and last time I checked, China is very much in Asia.
BUT, Asia is a big place. Most of Russia is in Asia but we don't typically call Russian Asians.
I do know some Asian-Americans (not from Asia; their families came from Asia but they were born in the US) who reject the term "Oriental" because it is somehow perceived as biased and Eurocentric.
That would almost certainly be because Indians are, on average, the very epitome of racist.
Most Indian parents are horrified by thethoughts of their children marrying non-indian (unless the spouse to be is much richer).
Most Indians work very hard to exclude anyone other than indian hires below them in organisations.
Most Indians prefer to live in semi-closed clusters rather than mix with general society.
(fwiw Americans, we are not speaking of Native American Indians here, but the ones from India..)
Indians only started wanting to be 'Asians' on the back of the rise of Asia, firstly in Japan, then Korea, now China.
Before that? not so much.
Just waiting for the 'racist' labeling attempts, but sorry folks, facts are facts.
I'm an ex-googler from about 10y ago and even at the time felt the anti-white male discrimination. I actually went to a very similar experience with Google HR and managers as described in the lawsuit (complaining to HR about illegal behavior from manager, retaliation, assigned to an other manager heavily influenced by the former, and badmouthing to a welcoming team which prevented a transfer). I moved away to better companies and I see this as a lesson learned. I have since moved to management and I make a conscious effort to not be an asshole. I've dealt with too many above me to know that this only results in short term compliance from the grunts and then disengagement.
I'm european and have spanish ancestry from many generations ago. I guess I could claim to identify as hispanic. I've considered to craft a "Lorenzo Lobo" profile with similar qualifications than my real one, go in for the interviews and see if they extend me an offer. Maybe it will be easier to get in if I claim to feel multi-gender and to be called Laurenza outside of business hours.
...White-ification creep of any race that is not Black. Apparently now Asians are *not* minorities according to the diversity police. Who next? Latinos? Then who next? Middle Easterners? Then that leaves Native Americans to finally be excluded from minority status, leaving Blacks as the supposed only minority in existence.
This is what you get when the only measure of equality is a simple metric. You get people doing what they need to hit the metric. Nobody who ACTUALLY gives a damn about equality believes numbers on a page tell the whole story. But nobody wants to hear it because it's not a nice narrative that they can use to their advantage. I said it years ago. Here. And I was downvoted into the dirt.
I over 40, so that's already a strike in hugely ageist Sillicon Valley. Not interested in going into management or whatever. If you like coding, you like coding regardless of age. Now I hear that promotion to the next level of individual technical expertise will depend on my chromosomal makeup or melatonin level in my skin. Never mind that I was an oppressed minority in my birth country, spent a year homeless in US before clawing my way out and so on. Are there still non-assinine employees that seek to provide friendly working environment for everyone and disparage nobody?
How about Google starts their diversification by making the board diverse. Let's see a handful of leaders step down so that they can be replaced by better (different colored) people.
But attack helicopters aren't on the list of identities they accept...
...is a very big if...
Similarly, everything before "At the same time" is bull.
No is isn't.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Same thing with Jews. Nobody with a "Whites Only" sign will allow Jews, but Caucasian Jews are now considered white enough that they're legal to discriminate against. And indeed, Jews are quite over-represented in certain industries (medicine, finance, media, law, STEM) despite the history of oppression.
Hell, the term "ghetto" no longer means "Jewish part of town", but rather "poorest part of town (probably black)". Now that's progress!
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What about black africans?
(((Wilberg))) you say? are they getting choked by their own cancer?
They are treated like Whites when it comes to employment restrictions, but treated like foreigners by housing and service providers. The Hindus and Sikhs have it worse, often mistaken as Muslims by people wanting to resist Islam, but being targeted by Muslims themselves.
Like old boys networks, like the country club, the reasons change but it's always excuses for discrimination to make someone "other" to harm someone, people are mostly sociopaths and as soon as you figure that out people start to make sense.
A woman has sued landlords for refusing to accept DSS tenants - i.e. people whose rent will be partly paid for by the taxpayer - on the grounds that this constitutes sex discrimination because it mainly affects women! https://www.theguardian.com/co...
Surely you mean seeking to conclude!
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...and Cultural Marxism just happened to my people at YouTube regarding jobs. Did you not read the fucking article?
The real tragedy is that so many people who have worked so hard to make a genuine contribution to civilization will be discounted because policies like these make everyone assume they got their position because of the colour of their skin, gender, etc.
These policies directly hurt the people they claim to help as well as society at large.
I don't want that kind of 'help' in my life.
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Pretty sure I've never applied for a job and specifically said I was a "White Male", nor filled out an application that had that distinction either. I don't think I've ever attached a picture either.
However I'd have to put my name on it, so they could probably figure it out if my name is William Chesterson Johnson III or Zhou Ping that I might be white or asian... If my name was Desoranta Mumbotu or Maria Sanchez I might be more what they are looking for...
Pro tip for lulz, while it might be a bit drastic, I'm pretty sure anyone can change their name to anything :)
Arne sounds like a real dick. I wouldn't want him as a part of my corporate culture.
If you have a racial quota that is not identical to the population demographic, you also have a problem.
If, given two equally qualified candidates, you pick one over the other because you have a race quota you are trying to meet? That's racial discrimination, by definition; you have chosen someone on no other criteria except their race.
How can you meet workplace diversity goals without discrimination? Your "easy solution" will never work.
Cederic, asking whether the poster is a racist or a sexist is discriminatory. You should be offended equally and completely by either.
Only an anti-sexist or anti-racist bigot would even think to ask the question.
Well, wouldn't it be either an anti-sexist racist or an anti-racist sexist?
I have a dream that one day a person will be judge by the content of their character and qualifications and not the color of their skin, or contents of pants.
Do they do any real tech at Google anymore, or are they purely a social engineering company now?
Between the SJWs and the greedy sociopaths, Silicon Valley sounds like such a fun place to work.
This creates an incentive for people to lie about trivial details. "Am I a Native American? Yes, yes, I am." What will these people do when dealing with a difficult work problem? "Did I get that email? No, there must have been a glitch. My phone battery died. I was at a funeral all day."
The NBA is racist.
Would it be racist to say that they go for talent and Blacks generally are better suited than Whites to play basketball? One would hope that team owners want more wins to earn more money, so that provides incentives to recruit the best available players.
we are not speaking of Native American Indians here, but the ones from India.
Then let's use the appropriate descriptor for the races/cultures involved: Dot-heads.
I say we stick to a strict definition of Caucasian: Those with ancestry from the Caucasus.
Armenian here. The rest of you just BTFO.
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Read the Bell Curve. It's a fact, Asians have higher IQ than whites/blacks, etc. Plus work ethic and culture are big factors.
IQ tests are a complex topic, but the preponderance of evidence suggests the differences are purely a matter of work ethic and culture.
Of the three groups, East Asians push their kids harder at younger ages.
The language differences may also make people better at taking the tests - having to learn East Asian languages at an early age may force different cognitive development, better suited to taking IQ tests.
There is no evidence that genes account for the differences.
Whether or not this early stress on learning has negative long term consequences is an open question. There seems to be a lot more cheating among the Asian students in US colleges and universities, which certainly suggests the East Asian stress on success at any price does more harm than good over the long term.
In the long run, the East Asian languages are probably a cognitive liability, despite any early advantages they (might) provide. There just doesn't seem to be a whole lot of long term value in memorizing endless lists of symbols - and other characteristics of these languages are likely to create problems as well. The world science community primarily communicates in English, and for good reason. It's probably not an accident that East Asian cultures stagnated for so many centuries while the West leaped ahead - and language is likely one of the major factors.
IQ is highly heritable. Twin/adoption studies show the opposite of what you claim.
to hire or not hire based on race is racial discrimination. which as far as i know is completely illegal. prepare the hate crime legislature.