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New Bill In Congress Would Bypass the Fourth Amendment, Hand Your Data To Police (medium.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Medium: Lawmakers behind a new anti-privacy bill are trying to sneak it through Congress by attaching it to the must-pass government spending bill. The CLOUD Act would hand police in the U.S., and other countries, extreme new powers to obtain and monitor data directly from tech companies instead of requiring a warrant and judicial review. Congressional leadership will decide whether the CLOUD Act gets attached to the omnibus government spending bill sometime this week, potentially as early as tomorrow... If passed, this bill would give law enforcement the power to go directly to tech companies, no matter where they or their servers are, to obtain our data. They wouldn't need a warrant or court oversight, and we'll be left with no protections to ensure law enforcement isn't violating our rights. A recent report from the Electronic Frontier Foundation explains how the CLOUD Act circumvents the Fourth Amendment. "This new backdoor for cross-border data mirrors another backdoor under Section 702 of the FISA Amendments Act, an invasive NSA surveillance authority for foreign intelligence gathering," reports the EFF. "That law, recently reauthorized and expanded by Congress for another six years, gives U.S. intelligence agencies, including the NSA, FBI, and CIA, the ability to search, read, and share our private electronic messages without first obtaining a warrant. The new backdoor in the CLOUD Act operates much in the same way. U.S. police could obtain Americans' data, and use it against them, without complying with the Fourth Amendment."
Slashdot... where the 4th matters, but the 2nd, we'll happily ignore or explain away.
The 4th amendment was written before modern technology! The founding fathers never meant for us to have computers in our pockets!
If you don't want government or corepirate scum hoovering up your data and giving it to whomever their little black hearts desire, keep it locally, on your own servers or on your own computer(s). At least then they will need a warrant to break into your home and access it. (If not a warrant, there's likely to be physical evidence of a break-in).
Cloud = Someone Else's Computer.
If there's one thing both Republicans and Democrats can agree on it's that the government needs more access and citizen's concerns are not important. Citations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Brought to you by Rep. Collins, Doug [R-GA-9] (Introduced 02/06/2018).
If there was someone I wouldn't feel bad about getting SWATTED, it would be this douchecanoe.
The third-party doctrine already bypasses the Fourth Amendment.
what does it mean
Hope the cops hate Nazis more than the president.
The Dutch ruling parties were also able to sneak such a law through our parliament under false pretenses.
Bill In Congress Would Bypass the Fourth Amendment, Hand Your Data To Police
I say we just crowdfund a blonde katana wielding female assassin and have her kill this Bill character, he seems to be nothing but trouble.
Imagine it had all gone to plan, Trump got to power with a majority instead of a minority. He does his "do it anyway" power grab and they do it anyway. He builds up Muslims as the common enemy with Putin. Trump forms a 'cyber security' section of Homeland Security which works with Russia on US cyber security to protect against this 'Muslim terror threat'. Any barriers internally the US removed to protect its people also fall away as soon as the enforcement barrier to foreign nations is removed.
Putin gets it all.
That's it, USA 100% compromised without a shot fired. Elections would be about as real as they are in Russia. Hannity would spout Putin propaganda openly, police would arrest enemies of the state, i.e. competing politicians like they do in Russia.
All these checks and balances have a purpose. They protect a country from malicious elements inside their own borders.
BTW Look at money for Stormy Daniels. There is no way $120k was paid by Cohen. Borrowing money against a house, is a money laundering trick. He uses borrowing, charges the client 24x$9K over two years consultancy fee (a healthy profit), which is mixed in with other consultancy fees to disguise it's origin. Then he makes his profit and the money trail is hidden. You need to check the fees into Cohen to see what's he's hiding there. Look at Manafort house loans, used so he could bring the Seychelles money into the US in smaller amounts. Same game, same group.
This world has turned into a complete living nightmare 24/7.
You can write all the imaginary laws you like in the US, it will not protect US corporations from prosecution for failing to adhere to search warrant requirements in other countries. It will be interesting to watch the outcome when the first US executives are given custodial sentences for breaking what a core laws, with regard to citizens rights and the proper application of justice, of they are locals, well, serving another country in a criminal act, is treason. Interesting time for executives of US corporations operating in other countries, would not take the job or the threat of imminent imprisonment and it will occur.
Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
So stop providing your data in unencrypted format to parasitic software companies that store and aggregate it...
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
"Lawmakers behind a new anti-privacy bill are trying to sneak it through Congress by attaching it to the must-pass government spending bill."
Can't you guys approve bills one by one? Your current system is *designed* to be abused by assholes.
leeee-cow
Land of the free, eh? And Americunts have the audacity to rail against other countries?
Clearly only terrorists care about privacy and silly things like civil rights.
Maybe ya'll better start putting those guns to good use and start a revolution.
It's clear your leaders don't give a shit about you or your country. Time to get rid of them all and start again. It's nice things lasted as long as they did, but all good things must come to an end.
If passed, this bill would give law enforcement the power to go directly to tech companies, no matter where they or their servers are, to obtain our data.
Pretty sure that violates some sort of principals of sovereignty, but yeah, you try doing that.
Don't complain when China comes knocking asking for access to your servers, too.
I applaud our president's courage to tackle hard issues like this head in. Our law enforcement officers should have all available resources needed to prosecute these heinous crimes. If this information saves one child or protects us from one single attack it is worth pursuing.
You can bet there's going to be lawsuits up the wazoo to defeat this.
Same with SESTA I guess, I mean, ISN'T IT OBVIOUS?
We can't blame those political cretins
Those political cretins got elected by the people
If those political cretins want to strip off the 4th Amendment, it is because the people who voted for them wants to do away their 4th Amendment right
This is the congress people voted for, and this is the congress that will be reelected in November. The democrats are no heroes in this department. So, obviously, the voters don't give a damn about their or your silly "rights"! Either vote them out or shut the fuck up!
1 test mess
They handed our comments to another dimension.
Wonder if I'll ever see this one...
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
"There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." Warren Buffett
"We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo
Oh, yeah. That's right
The first is under attack the second is under attack and the fourth is being actively ignored. Hurrah Freedom!
Not likely...
I mean, wouldn't that still require cooperation from law enforcement in the country where the server resides?
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
"Lawmakers behind a new anti-privacy bill are trying to sneak it through Congress..."
I wish the U.S. had an honest government run by caring, knowledgeable people.
What would be different if I buy a service from a EU company but pay with my US address vs paying with my EU address? Seriously, I would like to know
""If passed, this bill would give law enforcement the power to go directly to tech companies, no matter where they or their servers are, to obtain our data.
A Data center provider from Sweden says hello. And also "No way,".
After all, it's the only amendment Americans actually seem to care about. Well part of it anyway, we'll just ignore the well regulated militia part.
Who the hell would sponsor such a bill?
Friends, meet Representative Doug Collins (R-GA):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
You are welcome on my lawn.
end to end encryption, yawn
Which lawmakers, specifically? Call them out.
I can only assume that those responsible are Democrats, because if they weren't, their names would be in the headline itself.
They're the cvs of the legal system. This one isn't checked in yet. Thanks for posting the link to the bill. Weird that I see no comments and browser opens a post window first.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
That's all that needs to be said.
Nobody gives one iota about rights. "Today is the day when we take privacy private!"
In the headline it says 39 posts but I can't see any. Been messing around again, ms mush?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Cant see comments
Aren't any of you tired of having the SAME FUCKING FIGHTS over and over again? Politicians constantly trying to invade every aspect of your life. Politicians constantly trying to figure out ways to disarm you. Etc, etc.
Vote these cocksuckers out. Demand term limits. Push for laws to hold them personally responsible for laws they know are unconstitutional.
Such a bill could bring attention to securing you data in the cloud, and potentially encourage companies to encrypt data in the cloud in such a way that the could provider cannot access it. Would help not just against government spying, but also against cloud companies getting hacked.
The 4th amendment was clearly intended to establish a right to privacy of your personal possessions. Just because a lot of those possessions are digital and stored outside of your home, does not mean that right does not exist.
Elections matter. We need to elect people, regardless of party, that defend important rights like this, but you should look at their entire record, not what they say.
I love their system so much, we should make one just like it! One step at a time, and no one will ever see it coming...
OK, pass this bill. With law enforcement going to tech companies to get our info, I suspect that this would start a growing movement to bring servers in-house where every family runs their own server, and therefore controls their own privacy. Police will still need a search warrant signed by a judge to search your home. You can try to circumvent the constitution, but people will adapt.
Wow that summary is a giant load of crap. Doesn't even indicate what the bill is about.
The Cloud act is about establishing a process which approved foreign governments may follow when requesting information about non-US persons (neither citizen nor resident) from US companies. For example, if there were a bombing in the UK, by a UK citizen, and the the UK police wanted to get the perpetrator's Apple Maps history, they could follow this process to request that data from Apple, a US company storing the data in the US.
To be eligible, the foreign government law must "afford robust substantive and procedural protections for privacy and civil liberties", as agreed to by both the Attorney General, and the Secretary of State, with Congress able to overrule approvals.
Requests must be based on "articulable and credible facts" and subject to "review or oversight by a court, judge, or magistrate or other independent authority".
Any information revealed about US persons may not be shared with the US government.
That's the general gist of the bill. You can read it for further details. You'll likely find some good and some bad in it.
Here's one opinion piece about it:
https://www.lawfareblog.com/wh...
I was going to rage against (R) voters, but I see that this bill has (D) co-sponsors.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
We don't need any new surveillance since existing surveillance techniques are already protecting our country from the Russian owned traitor who will soon serve a lifetime prison sentence.
This is why donating to organizations like EFF and EPIC is important.
I just looked at two security tools being sold with no oversight to national security agencies, both domestic and foreign. One is the NetInterceptor, originally from SandStorm Enterprises, which is designed to monitor and write to disk all network traffic from arbitrary channels. It's also well designed to record web interactions, providing a usable graphical display of the interactions.
The other is a new startup in Belarus that is doing similar but more limited things, specifically to extract attachments from email or FTP transmissions. It's primary use is not security: an authorized SMTP security monitor would force outbound traffic through a designated SMTP proxy. No, it's a high bandwidth add-on to the old "Carnivore" email monitoring program used unconstitutionally by the NSA for domestic monitoring. Even if it's being used only for "foreign" traffic, it's dangerously powerful.
... this would get tossed out in the courts. But... with the current makeup of SCOTUS, it wouldn't surprise me to see this as the first step in dismantling the Constitution. The worst thing to happen following 9/11 was that we allowed the scared--and the power-mad--to convince the country that giving up the freedoms set out in that document was essential for our safety from evil terrorists---you know, the brown ones. Nobody was thinking about the terrorists within the country who were chomping at the bit to see those freedoms disappear so they could take over.
....they don't already do this. They just want to expand the scale so they have to spend less time back-constructing cases so they can use this data on less important cases.
It's time to execute everyone in congress for treason and start over. Maybe we'll figure out a system of checks and balances next time.
Does this change your mind about the 2nd Amendment?
Click on TFA to see comments and none are visible.
TLAs putting our tax dollars to use?
Strat
Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
Judges with constitutional knowledge are likely to disallow such evidence.
The plaintiff just has to ask where or how that situation came about. But in the UK is is now apparently illegal for the defense to ask the source of that information or cross examine those presenting it. Like Jimmy Carter says, write a letter and use a stamp.
This will be problematic since here in the EU we have quite strict privacy laws that prevents tech-companies to hand over data about it's users to another country, or entity, without approval from the local justice system.
I just wondered what happened with your country... The last 20-25 years everything related to personal freedoms have been under constant attack.. Fine, EU is not much better but you are supposed to have your constitution that should guarantee those freedoms.
Are you not supposed to have a constitution to protect these things??... Seems like the last 20-25 years it has been a constant attack on your freedoms..
But not all of this will fly... EU has quite strict privacy-laws that prevents tech-companies to hand over data about it's users without approval from the local justice-system. Some do give out data to the local police with this, but sharing data with other countries does have legal blocks.
the head of fbi turns out as a multi billionaire via "investing his money wisely"?
that is one reason why this surveillance without oversight stuff is getting way out of hand. it gives direct access to investment information. it is very easy to privately argue even that such information should be used by americans to further their investments in china and elsewhere and that "oh the russians are doing it already".
of course who it gets to benefit is just chosen by.. well, the local putin equivalent. it's not good for free trade, business in overall or anybody really.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Now the 4th goes out the window. I better clean out the spare room in order to properly quarter the soldier that will be assigned to my home.
I propose a ban on tacking bills on other bills.
My bet is it is used to catch more politicians than terrorist in the end.
Strange how the constitution is considered extremely important when it comes to allowing people to have guns, yet it is thrown out the window when it comes to communications privacy. Why does the US even have a constitution if they can shove it aside so easily?
Finding loopholes in the constitution... think about that for a moment.
Can someone who is actually honest, and NOT affiliated with Fight For the Future, explain the bill?
This thread already dead after ~59 posts. Any idea what happened?
Maybe I'm completely wrong here but I actually read the legal text and it appears that this is a response to the Microsoft debacle where Microsoft is refusing to fork over data because it's stored outside the US. From what I can tell, it would be used for a reciprocal agreements to disclose overseas data, meaning if the EU law enforcement wanted access to XYZ stored in the US that the company would have to comply and vice-versa.
I really do apologize for not being instantly outraged but in true /. fashion I didn't bother to RTFA. ;)
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
Time for all the gun nuts to put up or shut up. You've put up with mass shootings all because these fruitcakes are constantly banging on about their second amendment rights to keep firearms thus ensuring that there are lots of guns available to the general public. These gun nuts have always been paranoid about the government taking away the second amendment.
Well, here's the government pissing on another amendment.
When will these bloody idiots finally stop shooting up the general public in the name of the second amendment, and finally step up and actually represent what the second amendment actually means, which is the right to fight tyranny.
Time to take aim at the American government and what it has become.
Is how America took itself out of the world IT markets. If this passes it breaches all of the EU data protection laws. As such No American Company will be allowed to trade in the EU. I'm sure the same will happen across the globe. Oh dear! Lets hope they see sense before it's too late. Yeah Right!
US politicians gave themselves a loophole in their most basic function: Other countries writing their constitutions, took note of the US example and made this shit very difficult. No-one should be surprised by the corruption in US politics.
This seems to codify 2 practices:
1) the supreme court decisions that a person has no power over data given to a third party. I imagine it removes the need for police to issue a warrant/NSL to a corporation.
2) the DoJ policy that all the internet belongs to it. The US government gives itself authority to seize (digital) property outside US borders. In a surprise twist, the US may give other governments similar powers within the USA. With the Microsoft Ireland investigation stalled, this will force the issue of jurisdiction.
Another server failure?
Because I see the indicator says there are 69 reactions yet none show up.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure this new break of privacy would invalidate the new agreements on data security with the EU.
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
I keep a small cache of enticing files in several places, including Dropbox. Things with names that the curious will want to know more about, or run to their superiors with. The content itself is banal, but it does make for some quiet entertainment, to think of which idiots think they have a winner by snooping on my sh*t.
WTF is wrong with Slashdot now...
They care about the second amendment but not the fourth.
You wanted a tumptatership, you got it! Now live with the consequences or impeach. But stop whining!
'A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices' - George Orwell
Now you know how you will be treated once you relinquish control of your firearms.
Once they took them from us in Australia, laws like this came soon after. I get it that gun control is a major issue, however I don't think the kids calling for that understand the complexity of mental health issues that drive people to kill, nor do they understand the complexities of the force of the people equalizing the force of the state supported by the US constitution.
Seeing laws like this makes me support gun control less and less. State tyranny is the ultimate tyranny. Beware.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
How would a law passed in the US force European companies to break European data protection law?
Sigs are so 1990s. No way would I be seen dead with one.
It's okay, everyone. As long as the politicians don't touch the Second Amendment a tyrannical government can be overthrown by The People with their ARs./s
Why do we always have to fight the government that was set up to protect us?
How can they even have power over servers in other countries? Will they be making world wide agreements with other govs?
Or is this only about US companies with servers in other countries, even in those cases don't the rights of the data on these servers fall under the country where stored?
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
Let's hope this goes the way of SOPA and PIPA
let's hope this goes the way of SOPA and PIPA
Primary: Rep. Collins, Doug [R-GA-9] CoSponsors: Rep. Jeffries, Hakeem S. [D-NY-8]* Rep. Issa, Darrell E. [R-CA-49]* Rep. DelBene, Suzan K. [D-WA-1]* Rep. Marino, Tom [R-PA-10]* Rep. Rutherford, John H. [R-FL-4]* Rep. Demings, Val Butler [D-FL-10]* Rep. Holding, George [R-NC-2] Rep. Smith, Lamar [R-TX-21]
If you want to kill this bill (without resorting to the five point exploding heart!), just let people know that this gives police the ability to know exactly what guns you own.
Who didn't see this kind of stuff as the ultimate problem of putting everything on the cloud, out of users' physical reach. Way beyond availability, data loss, or security, having all that data "out there" is the irresistible prize of gov't surveillance and investigation. Don't need to send the FBI into your house with a keystroke logger, just tap into the cloud provider directly.
I've been sure for a very long time they have already been doing this. The Snowdon docs notwithstanding, I believe even one of the post-911 laws (Patriot act?) codified the gov't & tech companies ability and mutual collaboration to provide information. IIRC it even allowed companies to lie in their business contracts, public declarations, and any court proceedings about stuff they shared with the gov't and secrets they keep. I'm sure CarbonCopy stores user passwords and decryption keys even though they say they don't. I'm sure Apple, Google, Facebook are already willingly and readily providing direct taps into their data feeds. That whole Apple push back on data decryption capabilities during the FBI demands seemed really contrived to me.
I expected at least one spirited defense of cloud from the "lawful access" people.
davecb@spamcop.net
Don't click on any internet petitons. Pick up your phone and call your representative's local office and ask for a meeting. Politely, not beligerantly. Say the topic is law enforcement or privacy rights or something that's important to politicians. Clean shirt, clean pants, dressed reflecting the median income voter in the district. If you can't discuss this without yelling and accusing people of genocide, then have a blunt before you go in. Write an index card of notes, be prepared for 5 minutes of talking in a 20 minute discussion. As you walk in, assume an attitude that this cat is representing you, not Dow Chemicals, and have a discussion, not a monologue or rant, as the congresscritters are people too, not the evil charichature that whichever politlcal-wing propaganda rag makes them to be.
People who show to tlak to the Representative are people who will organize in their community. When you click some stupid online "I'm mad" site or like a facebook page, y ou represent zero votes. When you show up in person, you represent dozens of votes, becasue you are someone who will organize, and many primaries hinge on a very small number of votes.
This issue, in particular, is easy to sell to (R)'s as unconstitutional, and to (D)'s as police=bad.
If a law in in conflict with the constitution, then the constitution wins, thats the principle of law. So if a law is in conflict with the constitution then its only a matter of time that someone will challenge the law and win in a constitutional court. Its the law.
The only one there is ever any fight over is the 2nd, maybe the 1st.
because even tho he totally voted for this shit he's not the problem, its all the other guys!
what a bunch of maroons
Home of the controlled, surveilled and monitored.
... if we could get the 2nd Amendment people to start defending the 4th Amendment a little more.
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Every Obama trumpeted out that cliche. This is American Eceptionalism at its finest.. theyre so special they get to raep everyone else with hegemony and call it consentual pussy grabbing.
Be sure to enjoy your freedumbs friend, they wont last long!
Hegemony.
Trump admitted he made up trade deficit numbers while meeting with Canada's PM. If your President can just MAKE SHIT UP and have it become accepted reality (American in fact owes Canada billions in trade, not the other way around, but go ask any freedumb lover and they'll parrot Trump's lies) then why cant Congress?
Enjoy your rocket to the bottom.
I've never uploaded anything
A brief list of Members of Congress (Republican and Democrat) who don't believe in the Constitution:
Rep. Jeffries, Hakeem S. [D-NY-8]
Rep. Issa, Darrell E. [R-CA-49]
Rep. DelBene, Suzan K. [D-WA-1]
Rep. Marino, Tom [R-PA-10]
Rep. Rutherford, John H. [R-FL-4]
Rep. Demings, Val Butler [D-FL-10]
Rep. Holding, George [R-NC-2]
Rep. Smith, Lamar [R-TX-21]
Our forefathers would have been shooting already.
The Telescreen will reveal all traitiors. No need to waste manpower.
The bill is authored by a Georgia Republican, dipshit.
It's Mark 15th 9.38AM now, this was posted March 14th 11.30pm. There are no comments.*or i can't see them?* I guess that speaks to the state of situation we are in.
Comment section is empty
Fuck you.
How's that land of the free thing working out for you?
Funny how people who believe in small governments are all over the surveillance state.
The irony of 'warrants' as my capthca is hard to miss.
The average American will applaud them for this Constitutional weakening.
Is there any reason why this and a few other high-post articles show exactly zero comments when I try to read the discussion?
What will the idiots of the White House come up with next!
The lead page shows over 100 comments, but I came here and see no comments yet..?
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
What's the remedy here? The ballot box? Pretty discouraging.
Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur...
"Force shits upon Reason's back." - Poor Richard's Almanac
Isn't this just an expansion of 'Five Eyes' agreement that has been around since (..)? CA US UK AU NZ. I think the USG has been asking UK for intercepts of US Citizens for quite a while, like decades, quietly of course.
4th amendment has been pesky since 2002 anyways.
Who needs it? Americans and the politicians have systematically removed it from their daily lives.
As a reminder:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Making America Great Again I see.
Time to burn the Constitution.
Done and done.
Oh, and I can't stand listening to the younger people talk. 1st Amendment, Age 25.
This is an expansion, and codification, of the 'rather secret' UK CA AU USA NZ agreement where the USG could gain access to intercepts of a US Citizen from one of the other 4. Under unusual circumstances this has been done for decades, now the police chief in Podunk will be able to access 'legally' without warrant - that is a great idea for dictators. What happened to our Constitution?
This is an expansion of the 'Secret' 5 Eyes agreement with the UK CA US NZ AU - for decades USG has been able to get intercepts of its Citizens without warrant "Because UK intercepted it and 'shared' it with us". This will codify and seem to 'legalize' violations of the Fourth Amendment, and it seems, make it possible for the police chief of Podunk to 'tap the wires' of anybody without warrant. What about our Constitution?
Other stories work fine, but this one won't show me any comments, and it defaults to posting a comment.
Captcha: oblivion
Is that in reference to where America is heading with laws and politicians like this? Or where all the posts went?
This is an expansion of the 'Secret' 5 Eyes agreement with the UK CA US NZ AU - for decades USG has been able to get intercepts of its Citizens without warrant "Because UK intercepted it and 'shared' it with us". This will codify and seem to 'legalize' violations of the Fourth Amendment, and it seems, make it possible for the police chief of Podunk to 'tap the wires' of anybody without warrant. What about our Constitution?
What did you think the "3rd party doctrine" was going to mean? It means that the 4th amendment is a dead letter the moment you put your data into the hands of a third party. This kind of absolute shit reasoning is why I laugh in the face of the rose-cheek, earnest face fucks who pull a pedantic poindexter by going "but da SCOTUS said X so that is clearly what it means:"
So in other words, even if you signed a legally binding contract with the third party, the intellectual giants of the court know you REALLY did not have an expectation of privacy. Even if Verizon promised in writing to go so far as to hire Blackwater and assassinate hackers who go after your data, you simply don't have an expectation of privacy because the court said so.
This is why all your data should always be stored in an encrypted format and you should never use plaintext or insecure data providers, including email.
Congress CAN'T bypass the constitution.
Only a constitutional amendment can do that. A regular law from congress is subordinate and not with standing. This is true with all the other so called "laws" they passed such as the patriot Act, and various gun control laws.
It's yet another example of government overreach and as long as none of the courts are holding their feet to the fire, and no Americans are hold the judges feet to the fire, the problem will continue to spread.
Let me guess some of the names behind this bill as introducing it and supporting it.
Nancy Pelosi
John McCain
Lindsey Graham
Diane Feinstein
Mitch McConnell
Harry Reid
Barbra Boxer
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and yet we can't challenge the program since no one can seem to prove standing
Give my phones away. Go back to cash.
comments broken? 136 comments, threshold set to include everything, yet none show up.
I see Slashdot lost its trust with its users. Maybe don't delete comments so often?
Also, nobody trusts Google/Youtube or Facebook anymore. The assumption that they will enforce 4th amendment considerations / demand warrants is laughable now. Conservative voices are being purged on a massive scale and everyone is leaving for other services.
The right to privacy is an outdated law from the 1700's. Society was primitive and oppressive back in the colonial days. Rulers and elites were above the law. Commoners could actually burn people for their beliefs without repercussions. Modern society is governed by laws and a deep rooted respect for humanity. Except for the barbaric minority who wants to cause harm and chaos.
Preemptive monitoring would stop this threat. For example, why does someone need 8 pressure cookers? We should be monitoring trolls. Behind the troll might lurk a seriously deranged individual. And we can help them before it's too late.
If you have nothing to hide, who cares? You would have nothing to worry about.
Let's step up and recognize that we are a modern society and can dispense with old fashioned laws.
It's a tragedy that when this bill gets shot down as unconstitutional, the critters that wrote it won't get punished.
Make sure everyone's vote counts: Verified Voting
All the criminals in the world already have our data anyway. Handing it over to the government just means the government won't have to go through criminal organizations to get it...which will ultimately save some of our tax money.
So, where are all the comments, it just shows up as empty here.
Please stop calling such measures circumvention. It's no different than Implied Consent laws. Law enforcement and criminal justice officials who employ such methods with the clarity of language afforded by the Bill of Rights are in open rebellion against the Constitution and the will of the people. It's not circumvention, it's treason.
It would seem that the courts should shut this down, assuming, of course, that it gets to the courts and they don't brush it off by saying nobody has standing or something else ridiculous.
Local church runs e-mail service for it's parishioners. I'd like to see how this will go down.
Have gnu, will travel.
This is exactly kind of strong action of anti-islamic terrorism the majority voted for. Fuck to all of your special snowflake traitors who oppose all the effort in this amazing administration to bring home rule of law and order to this country once and for all. This battel is clash of civilizations and we need most every tool in our tool box to fight the fight to win. I support this strongly and encourage all to also show American true support by donating today to NRA and Trump 2020 campagnes.
I'm sorry, I posted and it didn't take (or so it looked).
Sounds like a good argument for encryption at rest at all times. So they get your data off a cloud server. It is strongly encrypted. They have feathers.
THe 4th ammendment is terrible. If this amendment did not exist, America would be British, pay their taxes on their tea, and be respectful citizens, instead of the rag-tag colleciton of idiots they are today. There would be no revolution, because it would have been quashed in the early stages. No weapons, nothing written that cannot be inspected by the government, it would be a paradise.
The 4th amendment is a direct cause of the American revolution, it's about time people were stripped of these "protections".
Knowing our government they probably wouldn't complain. Nobody gives a shit anymore since they all take care of #1 - themselves. Everyone who wrote this bill and bills like it should be put in jail without question.
Look how the hack immediately blames someone else, even though it was his "team" that sponsored the bill.
The constitution means nothing if enforcing it makes us vulnerabl to attack. Congress can choose wether to enforce it as necessary at all times. This is how it has always been, and is another example of a STRONG counter-terror move by an amazing president and an even more amazing congress to ignore snivelling weasels like you and protect this country using all the tools at its disposal.
at least we know why the FBI is whining about encryption so much.
All that Cloud data is a juicy target for them. . . . as long as they can decrypt it.
Useless to them if they cannot.
If you're doing the Cloud thing, make sure your data is encrypted before your Cloud provider receives it. At least, this way, they have to ask YOU for access to that data vs handing your provider a National Security Letter that lets them peruse your data at will.
I remember when Kafka was considered to have written fiction.
With both Republican and Democrat co-sponsors.
Yeah, the dipshit Democrats just pile on the bill and vote for it.
If child pornographers are not using your data server, your data is not private
I do not believe in karma. "Funny"=-6. Do good and forbid evil. Yours, Oft-Offtopic Flamebaiting Troll.
Mansplain is not someone explaining something you dont like slugger.
He isn't talking down to women, and you have no evidence its even a man. That makes you sexist... Lumping all of one group together and attributing behaviour to that group is an ist, since you are basing it on their sex, that makes you sexist. Congrats, you are what you hate.
The all seeing eye on top of the pyramid on your dollar bills seems to be becoming a reality. Sadly that eye seems to be the CIA controlled by a demented pervert we call the president.
I run all my services on Linux locally on my own hardware. It isn't that I don't care, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that I started a few years ago to have it all internal to my own location on my own hardware. They can ask all the want but without a warrant they get nothing. Email, web server, sip phone/asterisk, chat, nextcloud, etc., everything that I can house here that's what happens.
All my computers run Linux except my router which runs pfsense. I value my privacy even as others keep trying to give it away. You want privacy you can have it. I don't have to worry for myself but I'm sure others do and I feel for them, but you all have access to high speed 24/7 internet and lots of spare hardware. Don't even remotely think that maintenance is a nightmare. I rarely even look at the systems and when I do I can.
You can lead a man with reason but you can't make him think.
Now, be fair. You have to punish those that vote in favour of passing the bill too.
When our name is on the back of your car, we're behind you all the way!
Don't use commercial cloud services. Setup your own cloud at home. At least then they are going to have to get a proper search warrant to get access to it
Stop sending messages through 'a central server'. Too easy for them, just monitor that server then.
Use decentralized communication; communicate directly with the computer belonging to the other part, not via a hub.
'The web' is already like that. You read slashdot, I look at cnn - and our requests do not go through any common central server. There is the dns for lookups, but even that has decentralized caching so snooping on the root servers won't catch much.
Email is like that too. No central authority that it all passes through. Every ISP has their own server, every company that wants to have their own server.
Use a similiar approach for messaging. Directly to the other parts device - or at the very least their service provider. Don't use setups that has a single provider with some sort of 'central' for managing comms.
Keep in mind, the government isn't looking to *seize* data on foreign servers, though they're claiming that's what's intended and won't you all think of the children/terrorists. They're looking to end-run the 4th Amendment and collect data on Americans by first allowing the possibility through this sort of law, then by paying private companies to monitor certain customers and their associates. They get willing accomplices with no judicial oversight.
1. Why a law is required for funding of the government4
2. How it is that major changes to law can be attached. How is this allowed?
If the 4th is circumnavigated so all law enforcement in any country can get your info, it does NOT stop there. Don't forget about the FOIA! They will explain it away as the best way to prevent mass shootings, so if anyone is against it, they'll get called NRA puppets. The poor sheeple will gladly give up their fourth amendment rights for another layer of imaginary safety and security.
I am now fully aware of how many Americans are true cowards. This will be the end of our Republic, may as well bow to the Queen.